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Just Posted: Hands-on Canon EOS 6D preview

By dpreview staff on Sep 17, 2012 at 08:00 GMT
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Just Posted: Our hands-on preview of Canon's enthusiast-grade full frame DSLR, the EOS 6D. The 6D features a newly-developed 20.2MP CMOS sensor and a magnesium alloy body. To distinguish it from the more expensive 5D Mark III, the 6D features a simpler, 11-point AF system with a single cross-type focus sensor. It also features a smaller, 97% coverage viewfinder. What do these, and a handful of other, omissions mean for the 6D and how to it match up to Nikon's D600? Read our hands-on preview to find out.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Sep 17, 2012)

Look to the right at the Top cameras chart.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

What is your point??
By your assertion (clicks equal superiority) then the 5DmkIII was a total success because months after the D800 and 5DmkIII were announced the D800 dropped off that chart completely - while the mkIII was still listed up to the recent announcements (DPR only lists the top ten).

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VLampa
By VLampa (Sep 18, 2012)

The top cameras only reflect the click throughs a camera posting receives, nothing else. If you're so naive to believe such a chart, you probably think the Rebels and D3xxx cameras are NOT their respective companies' top sellers.

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philippaopao
By philippaopao (Sep 17, 2012)

From a commenter on the 6D's press release video on YouTube:

"Canon, this is CLEARLY an inferior product to your competitor in Nikon the D600. It is insulting that you push this as even a competitor to that camera. WHY aren't you competing!?! the 5dII is not far away from this product... i am at a loss for words here... damn it Canon.."

Oh well, and to think that this 6D sits at the same price range as the D600 makes it weird if not, depressing, haha.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

link?

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philippaopao
By philippaopao (Sep 17, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LgGAl_i4YR4

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Sep 17, 2012)

At least its small(er) than other FF DSLRs. I'm really looking forward to more size reductions of FF cameras.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (Sep 17, 2012)

Size reduction is inevitable, not because the electronics has shrunk, but because, until recently, FF models were marketed towards the pros, who are used to big cameras, and who demand big cameras because they think, sometimes with good reason, that the small ones are not as durable. As FF is marketed to amateurs and even beginners, their size will shrink because amateurs care more about the size and weight than the pros. In their experience, small cameras are durable enough.

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Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

I've had my 1D bodies quite literally clawed over by curious leopards (ok, they're usually cubs), and was very grateful it was a a pro-body, but for indiscreet street photography, forget it with pro built bodies, that, or i'm just crap at it. Which is what's a shame about this camera, I could have done with a FF body that doesn't look mental, but for me it has two failings, i've pointed out below. So i'll probably get a 5D3 when the price has come down a bit more.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Sep 17, 2012)

All true but I think the pro=big trend started people thinking that it wasn't possible. Or not worth doing, etc, etc.

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Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

The concept of big=pro was finally put to bed with the 5D2 I guess, you don't really need a body built like a tank in a studio; in a media scrum, in a jungle, or inside big cat enclosures (particularly for me), I guess yes though.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Sep 17, 2012)

reading the review, it seems that a larger body size is necessary to accommodate a wider spread of AF sensors across the frame. Hence on this smaller bodied camera the AF sensors are fairly tightly grouped. Also a bigger pentaprism is needed for a brighter and higher magnification display. Not sure that there is any sense that a bigger body is de-facto more robust, although possibly there is that perception.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Sep 17, 2012)

Isn't the AF sensor in the 6D about the same size as the MKIII and crappier AF MKII/MKI?

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VLampa
By VLampa (Sep 18, 2012)

Anastigmat: Agreed. I just wish future pros will see that smaller bodies can be just as tough as big cameras. Pentax and Olympus have shown that it can be done. I would very much welcome smaller FF bodies in the future.

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Peter CS
By Peter CS (Sep 17, 2012)

Way too little, too late! Would have bought the 5dMarkIII at up to $3200. Now instead the D800! Fortunately, have both Nikon and Canon glass. Too bad that Canon has missed the boat for the second time this year...

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

...all I read is you want more mp.

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Paulmeister
By Paulmeister (Sep 20, 2012)

I've actually thought of investing in Canon glass (the equivalents to Nikon's HT) so I could play in both worlds. I like the look and spec of the 5DmkIII, but have been perfectly happy with the D7k and am now debating the D600...

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Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

Nice camera Canon, let down only by it's AF system, a factor that I hated about the 5D2, and it's SD card slot. Other than that, it looks lovely. I might have considered getting one as a back up to my 1DX's, but these factors have killed it dead in the water, for me personally.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

Technically you do not even need autofocus (believe it or not) but as it is an autofocus capable camera it really only needs to do one thing - autofocus on the subject behind the AF point, even if there is only one point available.

It is obvious that Canon has targeted this camera towards the enthusiast, a tier that is interested in learning about photography and doing so on a traditional format. They are not marketing this to the sector who is looking for the latest camera to do everything for them.

BTW, this is NOT the same AF system as the 9-point single cross-type 5DmkII. Even if it was though, the general AF issues with the 5DmkII had to do with accurate focus in lower light, NOT because it only had 9 AF points... I personally cannot attribute a single missed shot to the AF system in my 5DmkII, and that is over years of shooting.

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Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

My experience with two 5D2's was horrendous, which i've noticed they've cleared up with the 5D3; couple of years to late for me though; the 1D4 was still cropped, and the 1Ds3 was simply old. Two 1DX's should keep me going for a while, just would have been nice to have something less bombastic in a restaurant with family or mates, a bit more than something crap from a phone

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

EOS M
..and you can use your same lenses.. ;=)
Cannot imagine how much smaller you want than that, and the ability to change lenses.

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

Don't need AF? That's all you can come up with? "Hey there people. How would you like a camera with no AF?" Seriously, trying to defend this AF system is a lost cause, j/k. But if I was in the Canon boat, I'd be seriously upset right now.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 18, 2012)

(Dan)
LOL.. No, you don't need AF.
I still own several cameras without AF, and easily manually focus my digital cameras as often as use autofocus. You do realize that cameras have been around longer without autofocus than with, right? You do know that many of the top-of-the-line 3rd party lenses (Zeiss, Schneider, Voigtlander) are all manual focus - how in the world are people using those things!

It was a comment in reality, however I did quantify the 'need' in regard to being an autofocus camera - therefore the expectation that it would autofocus.

There is nothing to defend actually. For years Canon has shown better autofocus speed and accuracy with many of its bodies versus say Nikon, and with fewer AF points. Actually it is a lost cause for other brands to continually dismiss accuracy and speed by acclaiming more points are better - but slower and less accurate..?

..and in not being a Canon user, why are you commenting on a new Canon AF system that hasn't even been seen yet?

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 20, 2012)

AF wasn't around because it hadn't been invented yet. There's no doubt that overall, it greatly improves the results. The more AF points there are, the less the photographer has to worry about so that he/she can concentrate on taking the picture. We can have more AF points today because computers are faster now. I used to be all about the center AF point...until I tried using more than that. Anyway, it was Canon that used to have a million AF points. It was only until recently that Nikon decided to join the game.

The screens in today's DSLRs are not designed with manual focusing in mind, so manually focusing today is not the same as it used to be back in the day.

I'm more commenting on AF in general. But I really do think Canon kicked it's users in the balls by offering only one cross-type AF sensor and only 9 AF points.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Sep 17, 2012)

It seems a heavy price to pay for what, a smidge of shallower DOF, on the occasions when it is even wanted. For that you pay extra for the camera, you pay in spades for the lenses, and it's too darn heavy to want to carry all day.

So at this budget I just don't get it. You're trying to save a few hundred on a body which will cost you thousands extra in lenses.

Maybe if they would just bring out a really fast portrait lens for APS-C to satisfy that all important shallow DOF for when it actually counts. Actually a standard 50mm f1.8 probably fits the bill, almost.

It makes me wonder, how did the term "full frame" ever gain acceptance, with its self-appointed insinuation that there is something innately correct or complete about the format coupled with the implication that smaller formats are a sub-standard compromise.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (Sep 17, 2012)

Those are the same old tired arguments from the days when Nikon did not have a FF, so Nikon fans tried to exaggerate the shortcomings of FF (too large, too much vignetting, and so on) while minimizing the difference in image quality. As studies have shown, the image quality differences are real due to diffraction. At apertures of f/8 or less, diffraction severely limits the resolution of APS-C sensors to the point that they can only resolve around 4-5 megapixels, despite haviing 18 mp crammed onto them. FF sensors, OTOH, can often resolve close to the number of pixels on their sensors in these instances. If the difference between 4mp and 16mp is not noticeable to a user, then perhaps he should just forget about DSLR cameras and use a cell phone camera. It is a lot lighter and cheaper than an APS-C DSLR. FF is alive and growing, and the old arguments are dead.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Sep 17, 2012)

"At apertures of f/8 or less, diffraction severely limits the resolution of APS-C sensors to the point that they can only resolve around 4-5 megapixels, despite haviing 18 mp crammed onto them"

The D800 'crams' about 16mp onto the DX (APS-C) area of its sensor. So at f8 you're saying that is a waste of pixels, only about 5mp will be resolved? Or are you saying the existing extra sensor area around the perifery of the DX area somehow changes the physics inside the perifery? What happens when you switch to DX-mode, and discard that outer area?

Maybe you're right, but if so, it would imply that an FF sensor above 12mp is similarly limited at f8 (since the APS-C area of that sesnor would contain above 5mp). Why didn't Nikon just stick with the D700? Or are we all chasing our tails shooting smaller than f8?

Where did you find this stuff? Maybe I misunderstood, or missed something? I'm curious.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

The D800 begins to suffer from diffraction at around f/8 yes.. Check Nikon's information..
They posted a great users guide on how to maximize the resolution capabilities of the D800, where in the same guide they reference the noticeable diffraction threshold of its high mp sensor.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Sep 18, 2012)

Thanks for that. I think I found what you refer to here (referring to D800/E):
http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d800_d800e_tips/quick_tips/

"The effects of diffraction ... generally become noticeable at around f/11."

In other words, at a pixel density equivalent to 36mp on FF (i.e about 16mp on APS-C), beyond f11 the deleterious effects of diffraction overtake the sharpness/DOF benefits of a smaller aperture. So two points:
1) the optimum aperture is about f11 - not the same thing as saying that the camera is useless beyond that point, just that you have passed the peak of overall sharpness
2) the limitation is registered at pixel densities equivalent to 16mp on APS-C - i.e. well beyond the 4-5mp quoted by Anastigmat

So, nothing much wrong with APS-C, but if you do need more than 16mp@f11 the cost of FF lenses make a mockery of compromising on the body to save a few $, which was my original point.

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Abhijith Kannankavil
By Abhijith Kannankavil (Sep 18, 2012)

D800 suffers below f/11 not only in DX. but also in FF lenses. Although in a smaller way. But for someone who buys a D800, that small deterioration in image quality will be a big thing, unless they really dont care about getting good pictures

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Sep 18, 2012)

Maybe I failed to put across my point. I was trying to say that I did not understand the concept of compromising so much on the FF body just to save a few dollars, all in pursuit of benefits which only become apparent at the margins of APS-C capabilities, when those few dollars saved will be blown away by the cost of your first FF lens.

As to the (separate) issue of the D800 'suffering' beyond f11, don't take that to imply that other (lower pixel density) cameras fare any better. The acuity of a D800 image may be diffraction limited beyond f11, but that limit may yet yield a sharper image than the inherent resolution limits of a lower res sensor is capable of. Not until the effects of diffraction become detectable on the lower res sensor will both cameras be yielding equivalent information (with the D800 image effectively just an 'oversampled' version of the lower res image). I digress.

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Abhijith Kannankavil
By Abhijith Kannankavil (Sep 20, 2012)

@wetsleet: Yes. it'll be most probably so because of the advancing in tech and in chip noise reduction like stuff. But the thing is that if the same tech is applied to a lower resolution sensor, you'd get the best results at such appertures.

I've always wanted canon to launch one DSLR just for low light photography. With full frame sensor and just 12MP or so. Evan the sensor in c500 cam will be enough. But the result will be good for that purpose.

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smoke........I wonder why they included LENSE FINE TUNING(+40 to -40) in D600, I heard they've included lense alignment charts and star targets too!

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

6D AF is sweeeet.

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

said no one ever...LoL I know you're trying to be a comedian =)

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes......6D just smoked Nikon D4 in low light AF, -3EV vs -2EV. Oh and one more thing, 6D can be customized with tracking, acceleration and deceleration tracking AF sensitivities......D4, D800, and D600 can't!

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Mathias Japri
By Mathias Japri (Sep 17, 2012)

huh? pasukan nasi bungkus foke apa canon? you must be a canon paid SEO marketing. hahahaha

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Whatever Mathias Japri, same to you.....I hope you said something good!

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Maji
By Maji (Sep 17, 2012)

Can 5d3 and 1dx do those? I think you should ask that question.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Sep 17, 2012)

Yes, you can focus under moonlight, perfect for werewolf hunting :) That's why you need a smaller and lighter body, to run faster, very clever from Canon

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jjnik
By jjnik (Sep 17, 2012)

Gee, Viva - by that logic the 6D just smoked the 1DX and 5D3 as well. Why do you continue to waste everyone's time with your childish fanboy rants??? BTW, can you provide a link to where Canon says that the 6D can be customized for tracking like it's higher spec'd big brothers?

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Hey jjnik, long time no talk. This is from Canon's website: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_6d#Features

High Performance Composing and Focus:
The EOS 6D has an entirely new 11-point AF system for fast, accurate AF no matter the situation. With its new centered cross-type AF point with EV -3 sensitivity for improved performance and focus in low light, and a newly developed and bright 21mm eye point viewfinder with 97% coverage, the EOS 6D offers impressive performance in both composition and AF, even in the dimmest lighting situations. Offering not only One-Shot AF, AI Servo AF, and AI Focus AF, the EOS 6D’s AI Servo focus can be customized with tracking, acceleration and deceleration tracking sensitivities, and 1st or 2nd image priority adjustments. For even more customization, adjustment levels for the wide-angle and telephoto ends of particular lenses can be entered and recorded into the camera’s memory.

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

Come on guys. Can you not tell that he's just messing with you? LoL

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jjnik
By jjnik (Sep 17, 2012)

Obviously, he's messing with us as no normal person would post the ridiculous stuff he does - doesn't mean we can't mess back with him.

What is particularly entertaining In this instance is that, in his rush to his usual Nikon bashing, he's actually pointed out that in his beloved Canon world that the $2100 entry level FF 6D "smokes" the $3400 semi-pro 5D3 and $6800 pro 1DX for low light AF: " -3EV vs -2EV" as he says!

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vFunct
By vFunct (Sep 17, 2012)

Why can't Canon make a good camera for once?

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Ace Disgrace
By Ace Disgrace (Sep 17, 2012)

This year is overwhelming for me...

Joy :) and sadness :(

2013-14 is the year to get a decent/budget full frame. ill save -up for that.

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meshal
By meshal (Sep 17, 2012)

another disappointment cam from canon..

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

Based on what criteria exactly??

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

Do you really need it spelled out?

If people are complaining about the D600's flash sync speed, they'd really have a cow with this one.

No built-in flash.
Only ONE SD card slot.
Oh my goodness the AF system!
4.5 FPS?

btw, I'm being sarcastic...kind of =)

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AP7
By AP7 (Sep 17, 2012)

Canon 6D compares well with Nikon D3200, both has 11-point AF system and both are entry level camera.

Nikon D3200 is lighter, and may have better low light and DR performance (even though it has APS-C sensor). D3200 also has built in flash and flash sync 1t 1/200 sec (vs no flash and 1/180 sec for Canon).

Canon 6D has no other advantage than DOF as a travel camera.

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Can D3200 focus in -3EV? Can you customized the tracking, acceleration and deceleration tracking sensitivities of the AF system of D4? NOOOO, 6D can D4 cant focus in -3EV.

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AP7
By AP7 (Sep 17, 2012)

Who cares about those thing if light weight camera and AF performance are of prime importance (and this camera is designed as a light weight travel camera in mind).

Focus and recompose is a very old concept and very inaccurate method when DOF is very narrow (which is specially true for FF sensor). At least, it should have all cross-point AF system.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

The cross-points of an AF system are for tracking, they are not for focusing on subjects away from the center of the frame. You want something on the right, left, top, bottom of the frame to be in focus instead of the center - move the AF point over there and press the shutter!

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

I smell BS. Cross-type AF sensors are for increased accuracy. Google it to be enlightened.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Sep 18, 2012)

"Nikon D3200 is lighter, and may have better low light and DR performance" - HaHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Comparing 6D to D3200, what a pathetic troll attempt

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and all that jazz
By and all that jazz (Sep 19, 2012)

do any canon dslr s` have eye controlled focus points like the canon eos 5 (.35mm neg film format) SiliconVoid, if cross-points are used for tracking the subject only, and theres less of them than in other dslrs` surely this would ultimately create inferior focusing? I`m looking to buy a DSLR for the !st time, my present SLR is a canon EOS 5 (.35mm neg film format) It looks to me that between the Canon 6D and the nikon D600 that the Nikon D600 is superior all round

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Sep 17, 2012)

I can smell another top selling new entry from Canon ! Bravo!

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AP7
By AP7 (Sep 17, 2012)

Possible if it is priced at $1500 with kit lens.

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Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

Cool, what's it called and when will it be released please?

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AP7
By AP7 (Sep 17, 2012)

Its called overpriced Canon 6D that is introduced to match Nikon D600 in price and will be available after four months (they need this time to actually finish the product, what you see is a 60D casing), but not in quality!

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ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Sep 17, 2012)

Looks like the 6D will be shipping tomorrow. Assuming there are no grip recalls.

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Lavs12
By Lavs12 (Sep 17, 2012)

So, Canon beefs up the rebel, doesn't update the 60D/7D higher/highest end crops and puts out 3 new FF. Oh, and started what will probably be some kind of 3 tier Mirror-less line, starting with entry level model, of course. The powershots just coming out look really nice, too. By seriously boosting L lineup recently, the incentive to go FF Canon has probably never been higher as they have pressed their advantage. Canon definitely knows this and is trying to create a direct pipeline to FF- L- lense nirvana for themselves. Think about the customer base they are trying to hook..... People who probably never took pictures before their phone could take some that that made them think, hmm this is fun. Right now strategy is camera phone-powershot/rebel-6D- L lense goodness(in bed forever=) then they can sell you whatever body they want that makes them the best sales demographics across the board which best maximizes profit margin.

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Ben Tomohiku
By Ben Tomohiku (Sep 17, 2012)

I believe there are still some shooters will be expecting a 60D/7D upgrade, and Canon wouldn't just ignored it. I guess lots of Canon's revenue was generated by mid/lower end users, to me it's more profitable. I personally think that the future's line-up should be mirroless/large sensor point and shoot for casual users, mid/high end APS-C for those amateurs shoot sports and wild life, and FF cameras for the rest.
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Of course I'm talking about in a certain budgets, without a budget you sure can take the best of the best.

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Lavs12
By Lavs12 (Sep 17, 2012)

There will definitely be an upgrade to the flagship Aps-c line. I think Canon is seeing how many people they can get to skip that step at the moment. I shoot a 60D and love my 10-22 and 17-55. I think I am in the same spot as a lot of people now, what to do?

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Ben Tomohiku
By Ben Tomohiku (Sep 17, 2012)

60D is a great camera, and 17-55 is the best EF-S zoom lens on the market. IMHO, if you want a different experience and not wanting to wait for the new upgrade for it, just go for the 6D or 5DMK3. This Christmas would be a good time to get the best deal on it :)

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vFunct
By vFunct (Sep 17, 2012)

Man Canon got owned by Nikon at every dSLR category this year, and for the last several years.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

and moron?.. what do i care about canons profit.. i care about cameras.

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Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

Agreed. It's a bad day for Nikon users because Canon showed today that they are no longer credible competition or a force to be reckoned with in developing the market. That's bad for Nikon's development. It's a good job Fuji and Sony are innovating in the market and pushing the envelope because Canon, like their copiers, can only create a poor replica of the original.

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Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

That's interesting.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Sep 17, 2012)

Remember to tell Fake Chuck Westfall.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Sep 17, 2012)

And iPhones are made in China, with forced labor, students they were.

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes........6D is made in JAPAN, sweeeeet, I love sushi. FYI, D600 is made in Thailand for maximum high product output(good luck in QC), and maximum profit.

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Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

What on earth does that have to do with the embarrassing feature set Canon want to price gouge you for? You're a fool and a borderline racist when you make statements like this. No wonder half the world is busy burning down American embassies...

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ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Sep 17, 2012)

Let's take a step back from the specs, take a deep breath and consider actual performance of the camera. Build does sound good (as it should) and it does have a new sensor. It would have been nice to have the built in Ferrari features, but it's as expected and entry level FF.

Proof will be in the pudding. Could prove to be a very good camera in use. I'm wary of looking only at features as some cameras I've had fell flat on their body caps when the theoretical was put to test.

I want to see how it stacks up in actual tests and field use before bawling out Canon.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

The "new" 20mp sensor is essentially an evolution of the best APS-C sensor Canon has produced in the digital age (the 8mp sensor found in the 20D, 30D) simply upscaled to 35mm format. If it does indeed take advantage of the 8mp optimal photosite size and pitch, factoring in newer technological advancements in design and analog/digital processing, we may see the best 35mm sensor Canon has ever produced under the 1D series.

For many that will be the primary criteria they evaluate this or any camera on - image quality, regardless of bells&whistles. (and I don't mean the kind of image quality that can only be measured at one ISO setting under laboratory conditions, I mean real world every day field relevant image quality..)

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Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

Keep dreaming. The DxO scores will tell the truth.

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ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Sep 18, 2012)

DxO scores only tell so much. After that it's what you do with the camera and how well it operates in your hands. Could be a great camera, but so much negativity on specs alone.

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.......6D body is mostly magnesium alloy, unlike D600, which is mostly plastic. D4 has no built-in flash, same as 6D.....D600 has built-in flash just like rebel 650, get it? No popups for maximum weather protection, popups are prone to leaks. Don't count no D600's superficial dental floss sealing.

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tonywong
By tonywong (Sep 17, 2012)

Canon should give you a special award since they can never do any wrong in your eyes.

From your statement you've obviously tested the sealing of the D600 and then taken it apart.

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VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Actually they do, Canon sensors SUCK in 101% crop when compared to Sony/Nikon tandem.

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vFunct
By vFunct (Sep 17, 2012)

Also, Canon cameras are terrible.

Everyone should just use Nikon, since they are much better cameras than Canon.

2 upvotes
Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes, 6D is drip proof. Drip proof. They said drip proof. The funniest and most pathetic classification for a camera EVER.

4 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.......DRIP PROOF! Good one GB Landscaper, really good one. Have to admit, that was funny!

0 upvotes
Lanski
By Lanski (Sep 17, 2012)

That's great! Holy smokes!

0 upvotes
oscarvdvelde
By oscarvdvelde (Sep 17, 2012)

Canon has a special page for what to do with Wifi:
http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/eos_remote.aspx

0 upvotes
Renato Mozzarella
By Renato Mozzarella (Sep 17, 2012)

Very disappointed. Canon’s 5d3 greatest advantage (and maybe the only real one) over Nikons d800 was its new autofocus system. My expectation to have a more affordable Canon whit a 5d3 equivalent autofocus system where in vain. I’m seriously thinking about dong a upgrade on the Nikon side. I really don’t think that the 6d’s DR and AF will be any better than the d600.

2 upvotes
brian1366
By brian1366 (Sep 17, 2012)

You obviously don't pay attention to the whole Canon line-up if you thought that a 6D would have the same auto focus system as the 5D3!!! Why do you think a 7D costs more than a Rebel with the same sensor? They set their models apart with differences in AF, metering, FPS and weather sealing.

2 upvotes
JohnMatrix
By JohnMatrix (Sep 17, 2012)

@ brian1366
You dont get it. I think some of us would have been happy if the 6D just had an AF system comparable to the 40D. i.e. that model had outer cross-type points back in 2007! But roll on 5 years and they still can't give us what we want in an entry level FF camera. Even the entry level Rebel has all cross type sensors for goodness sake!

Comment edited 9 minutes after posting
1 upvote
SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Sep 17, 2012)

@JohnMatrix
There are four Rebels still in Canon's lineup, three of which are under the T4i, so no the entry level Rebel/s do not have all cross-type AF points. The T4i would be the top model in the Rebel tier, and for that you get a few extra features like the 9-point AF system from ~5-years ago (40D fyi).

Canon has proven over the years that you don't need more AF points, nor all of them cross-type, for the AF system to be effective. Some people may rely on the AF system to the extent that they cannot even hope to get a properly focused shot unless the camera can literally do it by itself - for the rest of us you simply use the instrument to its greatest strengths and your creativity.

1 upvote
aligraham
By aligraham (Sep 17, 2012)

The addition of GPS tagging would have been invaluable for me for years of doing biodiversity surveys where after the survey i had to use a map to find six figure co-ordinates for the locations of each image then add it to the meta data manually. Invaluable for rare plants and other species which don't move.

0 upvotes
ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Sep 17, 2012)

I do a considerable amount of hiking and like to tag photos where I've been. Good patches for wildflowers, scenic vistas, mineral outcropping, perhaps a tree with a special character. GEO tagging is big priority for me. I'll wait to see how well this integrated unit works out. I was hoping for non-integrated, where I could add the GP-E2, which appears to be a solid unit specializing in that function. Built-in GPS generally are considerable battery draws. (Yes, you can turn it off and on, but the whole idea for me is not to see how many buttons I can press while taking a snap.) I still can't get digital photos in near the time I did with my antique 35mm SLR, more technology not always a solution.

0 upvotes
aligraham
By aligraham (Sep 17, 2012)

The GP-E2 fits on the hot-shoe so not good with the MT-24EX flash unit when doing macro in shady woods. Plus its another £300

0 upvotes
ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Sep 18, 2012)

If it works better then it it is 300 quid wisely invested. There are means to have more than one shoe.

0 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (Sep 17, 2012)

I've Hated Canon for so long, but now the rats are jumping ship, i'm reconsidering.

0 upvotes
Silverwind
By Silverwind (Sep 17, 2012)

My goodness. Can't please a darn soul, can we?

Gripe and complain. I'll just shoot with my 7d and T3i

0 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

and now tell us who cares what you do?

4 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.........it only weights 770g with battery vs 850g for D600 and 812g for A99. Oh and the battery life is 950 clicks vs 900 for D600 and less than 400 clicks for A99. OVF is the future, EVF is for high schoolers.....take in the dark place and look at the EVF, you'll see what I mean.

0 upvotes
Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

I guess it's been a very traumatic day for you Vegas... It's hard when you work so tirelessly to talk up a crap spec. You really have your work cut out this time though don't you :). Enjoy your day.

4 upvotes
shotslot
By shotslot (Sep 17, 2012)

Thanks Canon!

I waited and waited, and finally decided to bail and get an m4/3 camera. You've confirmed everything I suspected about your strategy of de-featuring your kit to protect your high-end sales. I'd have been really hacked off if you'd brought out a game-changer. I'm sure this will be a great camera, perfectly servicable, if a little pricey compared with the competition. It's just your cynical attitude that I couldn't stand any longer!

Adios!

3 upvotes
wskb
By wskb (Sep 17, 2012)

Were you expecting a 6D at $2100 to have more / the same features as the 5D3? which planet are you on?

0 upvotes
dara2
By dara2 (Sep 17, 2012)

I would have expected at least the autofocus of the rebel 650d (9 cross type). The 40D has it since 2007. However I want to see what this 20Mp can do

0 upvotes
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Sep 17, 2012)

No built in flash? That is indeed a bummer. Does Canon really expect people to drag around a big honkin' flash unit everywhere they go?

3 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

that is the least of my concerns.. the small flash is crap anyway.. i want to make nice pictures. i never used the popup flash in all the years .. not even as fill flash.

0 upvotes
tonywong
By tonywong (Sep 17, 2012)

I've used the 7D's flash to fill, but more importantly as a flash commander for remote flash triggering. No one wants to haul around more kit than they have to, and stuffing a ST-Ex or 5x0EX (or better) is just another piece of junk (with batteries) to forget or break. Would like a rudimentary built in flash with commander instead of getting milked for more $$.

Almost everyone else includes it on their bodies, and the claimed failure rates because of the extra weather sealing on the flash are non-existent.

2 upvotes
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Sep 17, 2012)

The popup flash is most definitely not crap on a Nikon. It works extremely well. It also commands unpteen other flashes from the commander screen. Face it, folks, Canon blew it in a big way with this release.

5 upvotes
dara2
By dara2 (Sep 17, 2012)

same for the focus assist light. For many reason Canon excluded it from their bodies. But when the canon need a flashlight, the AF assist light on the nikon just works: see it a 8min in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTo7UxbJX8

1 upvote
raizans
By raizans (Sep 17, 2012)

canon will be canon.

i suppose the 6dmkii or mkiii will have the 100% viewfinder that the 6d should have had.

2 upvotes
69chevy
By 69chevy (Sep 17, 2012)

First, I look at cameras I have no intention of buying. Next, I predict the future of a multi billion dollar corporations based on an entry level camera. Then I complain that the camera I don't intend to buy is not as (whatever) as the other brand.

In the mean time I don't even care about photography, I just jones for new gear like a crackhead looking for a fix. All the while, my current camera has never once come up short.

I like to take what camera manufacturers do personally, because my camera brand defines me.

26 upvotes
facedodge
By facedodge (Sep 17, 2012)

The perfect post.

/thread

0 upvotes
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Sep 17, 2012)

Well said, although describing this as an "entry level" camera is a bit of a stretch.

0 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (Sep 17, 2012)

best answer so far!

0 upvotes
Jahled
By Jahled (Sep 17, 2012)

Hahaha

It had to be said

0 upvotes
Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (Sep 17, 2012)

Perfect apologist for Canon. You must also like the iPhone 4.2, err 5.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Sep 17, 2012)

Precisely. The last sentence really says it all. We don't chose this camera or that one...we hate this camera or that company. (As if they, or anyone cares).

0 upvotes
69chevy
By 69chevy (Sep 17, 2012)

"Perfect apologist for Canon. You must also like the iPhone 4.2, err 5."

I do love my iPhone. When I get my 6d, I will be able to use my iPhone to control it.

As far as an apologist??? Why apologize for a camera maker who is.....making cameras?

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 17, 2012)

I've heard that 6D has penta-mirror, not pentaprism...

0 upvotes
jwhig
By jwhig (Sep 17, 2012)

The specification in the DPR preview says pentaprism.

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.....a built-in wifi+GPS tagging that is accessible via cellphones. Damn this is sooo futuristic! D600 can tooo, but it'll COST you $$$$ and it's stuffing is hanging out of its body like x-mas lights......just ugly.

6D=Apple look
D600=Android look

0 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Sep 17, 2012)

WU-1b (unit used to give D600) WiFi signal is very SMALL, has no lights whatsoever and even when you add it's cost to D600 price it is STILL CHEAPER or therabout as 6D. Granted no GPS but if you have a smartphone and some brains you can use it's GPS to geotag pictures if you really have that bad memory and can't remember where that pic was taken.
So now I have educated you and hopefully you will learn not not to comment on things you obviously have no clue about.
Also D600 has way better AF with 39 points vs 11 and 9 cross type point VS only 1, 2 card slots, better weather protection, 100% viewfinder, marginally faster frame rate, built in flash that can be used for wireless controll, faster flash sync time, and not to forget that AMAZING dynamic range that all Sony made sensors have! And unlike this it is compatible with almost ALL Nikkor lenses.
This is a fine camera but I will take D600 over it any time.

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 7 minutes after posting
9 upvotes
Hauer
By Hauer (Sep 17, 2012)

Admit it, the Nikon D600 has better specs!

8 upvotes
Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (Sep 17, 2012)

You can also upload images to your Iphone with the D600...
There is a free app available by Nikon to do so.
http://nikonrumors.com/...-and-wu-1a-wireless-mobile-adapter-demo-video.aspx/
Which also works with the D600 an the WU-1b. This adaptor only costs $60.00.
So the differences are...
1) 24megapixels vs. 20
2) 39 point focusing system with 11 cross vs. 11 with 1 cross
3) 5.5fps vs. 4.5
4) integrated flash vs. no flash
5) flash sync of 1/200th vs. 1/180th
6) wireless command mode for flash vs. none
7) 100% viewfinder vs. 97%
8) lens micro adjust vs. none
9) Full 1080p video with HDMI uncompressed video vs. just 1080P video
10) 2 SD slots vs. 1 SD slot
11) compatibility with all DX lenses vs. none
Canon advantages...
1) Gps integrated vs. none
2) built in Wifi vs. purchasing the Wifi adapter for $60

8 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

Bamboojled, source for 8?

D600 wins but in fairness 6D's list is missing a few:

3) 6D's center point works in -3EV whereas D600's CP only works in -1EV
4) 6D ISO 100-25600 (exp. 50-102k) vs D600 100-6400 (exp. 50-25600)
5) Less weight
6) Travel friendly body
7) 1,5% larger viewfinder magnification ;)
8) Sharper screen 104k vs 92k
9) Smaller resolution SRAW / MRAW options
10) More magnesium alloy
11) Build in Japan instead of Thailand

But this is silly.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
1 upvote
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Der Steppenwolf, your reply lacks confidence by the amount of edits. Are you trying hard to talking yourself into D600, don't do it, I've seen so many divorces that way.

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

That camera is soo UGLY, I will not give myself a chance to get close to it.

0 upvotes
Mathias Japri
By Mathias Japri (Sep 17, 2012)

this dude is canon paid SEO marketing staff, canon SEO kick in as the 6D is geting many no no response all over the web.

0 upvotes
Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (Sep 17, 2012)

Apologies, i was corrected about this in another post.
Both the 6d and D600 have micro adjust, i missed this in the specs sheet.
As to your point with regards to -3 ev, that does look like a nice feature, but then you would have to add that the D600 also allows focus on lenses that are f8 v.s 5.6 with the Canon.
As far as the native ISO, both the D800 and D600 have the same native ISO and based on all reviews the D800 competes nicely against the 5DIII in high ISO, while retaining more details.
If this is the case, and that is if, then it should be a non issue if the D600 has similar performance.

1 upvote
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Sep 17, 2012)

Not married :)
Edits are because English is not my first language hence the edits.

0 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

so about the sensor.... what is new developed?

is it safe to say it is the 5D MK2 sensor but only a millimeter smaller and with less pixels?

or is there really anything improved over the 5D MK2 sensor?

1 upvote
David Hull
By David Hull (Sep 17, 2012)

Did they really put in an AF system with only one cross type in the center again? I don't see any detail as to how the AF is actually implemented. Hopefully they are all X type with the CP being sensitive to -3EV (pretty impressive actually). If it is 11 points with the outer points like the 5DII it will be one colossal joke.

1 upvote
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

why don´t you read before commenting?

3 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Sep 17, 2012)

Read the god da** article!

1 upvote
David Hull
By David Hull (Sep 17, 2012)

Actually, I didn't read the article -- just looked at the specification list and main review. Looks like the pretty much same AF as the 5DII -- what a joke. At least the price of used 5DII's will hold up. I was afraid that would collapse once this thing came out – not likely.

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.....it could nail focus in -3EV with just 11 AF pts, damn, that is awesome. FYI, D600 needs 39 AF pts. just to be able to attain focus in -1EV, same with A99. Remember what happen to D7000 vs 60D AF, that's right 60D is much better in tracking and accuracy. No softness issues with AF.

2 upvotes
David Hull
By David Hull (Sep 17, 2012)

If those 11 points aren't all X type, it will be a joke. Period.

5 upvotes
Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

Do you realise how much of an idiot you look Vegas? So what you're saying is less is more, by that comparison the D800 therefore wipes the floor in every single aspect of the 5DIII including AF. You really are a world class fool aren't you...

Comment edited 34 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
philo123
By philo123 (Sep 17, 2012)

Who is this idiot? The new Pentax K5-II has -3EV plus 11AF pts with 9 cross type and $600 less!

0 upvotes
facedodge
By facedodge (Sep 17, 2012)

Canon = Apple iPhone
Nikon = Samsung Galaxy III

Sure on paper the Nikon looks like the winner, but there is something to be said for user experience.

Canon offers better ergonomics, menus, lenses, and better aesthetics.

Apple offers a better operating system, with more apps, and better aesthetics.

Bottom line, this board sounds like a bunch of tech geeks arguing about processor speeds and ram when only 1% of the population cares about that when looking for a phone.

Canon and Nikon will both sell boat-loads of these entry FF cameras. Nikon offers you more features for less, Canon offers brand name security and a better user experience. This is was also evident with the 5D3 vs the D800.

4 upvotes
David Hull
By David Hull (Sep 17, 2012)

Canon = Apple iPhone
Nikon = Samsung Galaxy III

If that is the case, it will be a big success but I fear that will not be the case.

0 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Sep 17, 2012)

Apple = a company that is all style and no substance, and that can only win by bringing out spurious injunctions against its competitors. All Apple has given the world is overpriced toys and rubbish software e.g. iTunes and Qucktime. How a great company such as Canon can be likened to a disreputable company such as Apple is beyond me.

6 upvotes
facedodge
By facedodge (Sep 17, 2012)

gsum... Apple is the most profitable company in history. 'nuff said.

0 upvotes
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Sep 17, 2012)

I disagree with your first premise. The company adding checklist gimmicky features while ignoring meat and potatoes here is Canon. We get GPS and WiFi but inferior viewfinder coverage, autofocus, and continuous shooting.

If you prefer Canon's rear wheel to Nikon's thumbwheel (I have no idea why anyone would, not even Canon shooters I know prefer it) then you could make a fundamental usability argument.

It seems to me that there is no Apple in the high-end camera business, which is the only reason these idiotic companies continue to do OK. Apple is in the low-end camera business and the net result is the air is being sucked out of the compact camera market.

And the idea that Canon gives you brand name security compared to Nikon is laughable. (It shouldn't be given Nikon's compact offerings.) Blame Paul Simon.

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Hey guys this is a 6D vs D600 vs A99 Not cellphone wars.

2 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Sep 17, 2012)

facedodge
Apple computers consist of a fancy boxes that contain exactly the same hardware components as a Windows machine. The reason that Apple is so profitable is that their marketing dept is very good at selling their boxes at vastly inflated prices.

0 upvotes
Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (Sep 17, 2012)

If your talking about operating system...
You are far off.
Especially when we take into account Dynamic range.
The Canon is not a little bit behind, it is far off...

So the differences are...
1) 24megapixels vs. 20
2) 39 point focusing system with 11 cross vs. 11 with 1 cross
3) 5.5fps vs. 4.5
4) integrated flash vs. no flash
5) flash sync of 1/200th vs. 1/180th
6) wireless command mode for flash vs. none
7) 100% viewfinder vs. 97%
8) lens micro adjust vs. none
9) Full 1080p video with HDMI uncompressed video vs. just 1080P video
10) 2 SD slots vs. 1 SD slot
11) compatibility with all DX lenses vs. none
Canon advantages...
1) Gps integrated vs. none
2) built in Wifi vs. purchasing the Wifi adapter for $60

0 upvotes
Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (Sep 17, 2012)

Incorrect analogy.

6D==iPhone 4.2, err, 5

D600==Nokia Lumia 920.

1 upvote
seventhstr1ng
By seventhstr1ng (Sep 17, 2012)

I don't necessarily agree with the comparison between Apple and Android products. Each brand simply focuses on their own competitive advantages. The key is finding the competitive advantage that means the most to the more customers.

At the price point, the available features on the 6d will be very appealing to a lot of people. Go ahead and tit for tat about minor specs, but the photogs this camera is targeting don't need a 100% viewfinder, an autofocus system with more points, or 1fps more continuous shooting. However, practical things, like built in wifi and GPS are very attractive and useful, and offer a competitive advantage over the competition.

gsum, the reason Apple is profitable is because they sell quality products that appeal to the lifestyle of a common user. People are willing to pay more for certain features+benefits, it's not that hard of a concept to comprehend.

0 upvotes
hippo84
By hippo84 (Sep 17, 2012)

Apple means innovation, Canon - stagnation...

0 upvotes
io_bg
By io_bg (Sep 17, 2012)

"Canon offers better ergonomics, menus, lenses, and better aesthetics."
Oh sure, you've probably been shooting both cameras for 6 months now so you know all their drawbacks. As for lenses... They've a great and cheap 50mm f/1.8, a good kit 24-85mm, a better 24-70mm f/2.8 and 14-24mm f/2.8 which even primes in this range don't match its quality.

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Holy smokes.....a silent mode feature. Beware D600 buyers, this could happen to you! Read what happened to the photographer after they found his Nikon camera.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/26/california-man-dies-in-first-fatal-bear-attack-at-alaska-denali-national-park/

0 upvotes
rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Sep 17, 2012)

So you also bring fun to this forum, great ;).

0 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

YESSS rhlpetrus, just having fun, everybody thinks their camera brand has life and blood related to them.......luv ur ansel a. photos, ur the man.

0 upvotes
Someday I will
By Someday I will (Sep 17, 2012)

This is the biggest facepalm in the photographic industry in a long time...

Canon will have to down the price to $1200 or just GTFO

12 upvotes
garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 17, 2012)

All I wanted was a 7D ll. Now the prices drop on the FF and no update to the 7D. I have a feeling it will be reversed now. FF very cheap and crop sensor to expensive to buy. Wait and see.

1 upvote
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Sep 17, 2012)

To Canon's credit, the firmware update for the 7D was like getting a free camera upgrade. I'd prefer camera companies released software updates like that than simply forced you to buy new bodies.

0 upvotes
doctorbza
By doctorbza (Sep 17, 2012)

I love my canon equipment, but this camera is terribly disappointing. They've chosen to see what they can get away with NOT giving the customer for $2,100, rather than see how much they CAN give the customer for $2,100.

They've literally crippled ever feature possible that matters for actually taking photographs: auto focus (absolutely pathetic considering the AF system on the three year old 7D which cost less at launch), viewfinder coverage, no joystick, etc., etc.

But it's got GPS!

7 upvotes
VivaLasVegas
By VivaLasVegas (Sep 17, 2012)

Good morning everyone, I see you guys are busy while I slept.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (Sep 17, 2012)

It has to be said, this is pretty embarrassing all round for Canon. They're no longer competing, once again going for the price gouge...

14 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

so about the sensor.... what is new developed?

is it safe to say it is the 5D MK2 sensor but only a millimeter smaller and with less pixels?

or is there really anything improved over the 5D MK2 sensor?

Comment edited 35 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Balooziggy
By Balooziggy (Sep 17, 2012)

I am a Canon user for many years, currently I have a 5DMKII & 7D and seriously looking at the 1DX, with several lenses & accessories and I do NOT get the Canon model strategy given this announcement? The flagship 1DX is now 18MP FF, the 5DMKIII is 22MP FF, the 6D now fits between them and also FF, the 7D however is APS-C and 18MP, all these cameras except the 6D use CF Cards, so why has Canon done this on their so called Pro line-up ?D Range? Very Odd.
The Canon Single Digit D range should have consistent standards throughout, that would make it far more attractive to both Pro's and avid amateur's alike to further invest in it's lineup, at the moment I must say, I think Nikon have a better road map and strategy for their product lineup and a better story to tell in general.
I am disappointed with Canon's recent announcements and am now starting to wonder whether it's time to move on to something else.

5 upvotes
dpollitt
By dpollitt (Sep 17, 2012)

The "investment" in SD cards is minimal. SD cards typically cost less than CF cards now anyways. With the proliferation of SDXC and SDHC, the size and speed exists - typically at a comparable or lesser cost. The only reason I can see for a big complaint is a videographer heavily invested in high speed high capacity CF cards. For photographers we are talking under $100 to switch in most cases.

0 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

Are you referring to pixel count? As in a higher model should have more pixels defacto. I'd rather look at the whole picture because that reveals what the camera can do. The bodies have different uses based on their attributes i.e. sensor size, af, speed, etc.

Anyways, I actually think that's kind of where Nikon's line up gets a bit mixed. The D800 has a lot of bells and whistles but then someone got a bit over excited about pixels and those little buggers dragged down its performance. It's slower than this Canon. Ok, then comes D600, a little dumbed down camera that's suppose to be an entry level FF DSLR but what seems to be a more versatile shooter than the D800.

1 upvote
Balooziggy
By Balooziggy (Sep 18, 2012)

I am not arguing pixels and sensor sizes here, that's a whole separate debate all on it's own. The thing that gets to me is that the 7D came out with a higher spec and more advanced features than the then current 5DMKII, however, in APS-C format with Dual Digic IV, CF Card slot and built in flash, better AF etc. etc. Now the 6D is announced and it seems like a revamped 5DII which in some regards makes no sense, since this should outshine the 7D, but to do that they would encroach on the 5DMKIII and that would not be good for marketing. So currently the 6D has no built in flash, single Digic V+, SD Card, slow frame rate, and what looks like an inferior AF system by comparison to the 7D, if this is not confusing the lineup I don't know what will! As a last point, when is Canon going to give us better bracketing options like Nikon offer as standard ? And would it not be nice to have a button/customized feature to switch the mirror to lock-up i.e. Time Lapse shooting ?

0 upvotes
Tape5
By Tape5 (Sep 17, 2012)

Back when Canon started flashing high end cameras at the film industry ( I wonder to what overall degree of success), it was predictable that they would start stealing tech and innovation from their own DSLRs at the lower end.

C300, C500, C' how easy it is to send a company to the gurgler?

0 upvotes
lensberg
By lensberg (Sep 17, 2012)

I wish Canon had implemented a superior AF system... perhaps something along the lines of a 7D AF module - 19 points... including all 19 cross type sensors... especially considering the asking price...

And... 4.5 frames per second...?! If the D600 is 1.5 FPS faster than the top of the line D800 ... and costs the same as the 6D ... is it asking too much to have a faster frame rate... at least on par with the 5D III at 6 FPS...

The IQ better be out of this world... at both extended high ISO settings as well DR ...

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

If it did all this, what purpose would 5D3 serve?

2 upvotes
lensberg
By lensberg (Sep 17, 2012)

The 19 point AF is still inferior compared to the AF system of the 5D III ... so that high end niche market will not be infringed upon... Regarding the frame rate - well 4.5 fps is average, but for approximately $2100 i'd expect something comparable to the competition... in this particular instance the D600...

0 upvotes
tom sugnet
By tom sugnet (Sep 17, 2012)

focus recompose sucks

7 upvotes
Dan
By Dan (Sep 17, 2012)

I agree. I used to be all about the center focus point...until I tried using all of them.

0 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

compare this shoot to the 6D sample shoots and begin to cry (when you are a canon user):

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/img/sample01/img_02_l.jpg

nikon win hands down.. i correct myself for 1599$ the 6D would be no good but a decent buy.

2 upvotes
Sergeant Baker
By Sergeant Baker (Sep 17, 2012)

yeah good dynamic range. But this shot has much too low depth of field. Why didn't the photographyer stop down more?

0 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

for the small dof the sharpness is way better then in all 6D samples i have seen so far.

0 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

Could you show the shot that we're suppose to compare it to?

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

all shots from canons 6D sample website....

0 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (Sep 17, 2012)

What's wrong with the picture?

0 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

Ah yes, random promotional pics from the manufacturers product page. Always a good and professional way to reliably compare picture quality.

0 upvotes
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Sep 17, 2012)

if MagicLantern frees up the FF 6D to broader video capabilities, where APS-C won't do (60D/650D), then it can be the compact FF dSLR Cinematic-shooters can use as 'dispensible' cameras (instead of using a 5DMkIII)...

otherwise, it's only meant as an 'entry FF dSLR' for those who are newbies, as well as a way to other models if they're interested in Canons.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Sep 17, 2012)

Exactly what the MkII is around for, cheaper, still very capable in comparison, and ML is already well acquainted with it

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Unum sed Leonem
By Unum sed Leonem (Sep 17, 2012)

Why hasn't the 5D III built-in GPS and WiFi, for Goodness' sake! Does Canon assume one will buy a 5D III for all of its advantages and a 6D for the couple of 6D-specific features missing in the more expensive 5D III? How idiotic!
This is one reason I'm seriously reconsidering my former plan of upgrading to 5D III (from 5D II). Intentionally excluding features from 'higher=end" cameras and including them in lower-end ones a few months later is entirely unacceptable.
So, thank you, Canon. No 5D III for me. I'll wait for its successor, hoping for a better sensor, integrated high-sensitivity GPS chip, Wi-Fi, faster flash sync speeds, resolution of the rolling shutter issue, integrated flash, external flash firing (radio, not IR!) capability without a need of add-ons, proper waterproofing.
If not, than bye-bye, Canon…

0 upvotes
sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 17, 2012)

The preview states that 6D's top plate is polycarbonate for wifi and GPS signals. Think about the outcry if 5D3's body hadn't been all magnesium alloy, even if that polycarbonate plate is as strong and rigid as magnesium alloy. You'll have to buy a dongle.

0 upvotes
Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (Sep 17, 2012)

Let's see...compared to the Nikon D600, this has an inferior AF system, framerate, viewfinder, resolution, and probably noise and DR...coupled with a single card slot...all for the same price. What a joke!

11 upvotes
Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Sep 17, 2012)

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d600/img/sample01/img_02_l.jpg

compare it to the 6D.. nikon wins.. and im a canon shooter.

7 upvotes
Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (Sep 17, 2012)

I agree Gothmoth...the 6D is a letdown

1 upvote
jm67
By jm67 (Sep 17, 2012)

Just another one of life's little tragedies. It does indeed make it tough to be a Canon user. Oh, and you forgot lack of built in flash. If Nikon can put one on in this segment, why not Canon?

0 upvotes
dopravopat
By dopravopat (Sep 17, 2012)

Thank you Canon. My recent purchase of APS-C lenes (Sigma 8-16 and 17-50 f2.8 OS) turned out to be a good investement. I am surprised how this camera can be worse in some aspects than the EOS 60D. The fixed LCD screen with no buttons on the left side is a bad joke. Trully Canon did not want to upset their APS-C camera users who invested in APS-C dedicated lenses. If this was the goal, they did a great job.

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Eddie S
By Eddie S (Sep 17, 2012)

So dissapointed at canon as well, it is a 60d with full frame for $1,000 more. dopravopat I am with you, I guess I will get a sigma 17-50 2.8 with the IS for about $600 which very close as a 24-70 on a full frame and the 24-70 2.8 canon does not have an IS and it is over $1,600 more than sigma.

Not counting that the video in the new 6d is only good for 11 min each.

With Nikon coming out with a new camera at 39 focus point. Canon should be a shame of keeping the same price level at only 11.

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