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Samyang to show 10mm F2.8 wideangle prime for APS-C at Photokina

By dpreview staff on Sep 14, 2012 at 11:43 GMT

Photokina 2012: Samyang has announced that it will be showing a protoype of a 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS UMC CS lens at Photokina. With its 15mm-equivalent, 110 degree angle of view, it will be the widest-angle rectilinear prime lens for APS-C/DX format SLRs. As usual for Samyang, focusing will be manual only. The lens is expected to go on sale towards the end of 2012.


Press release:

Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS UMC CS

 New product on Photokina 2012 fair

Kraków, September 14th 2012 - Samyang Optics company is thrilled to invite all participants of Photokina fairs held in Cologne to visit our stand no. A025 located in the hall 2.1. We will introduce a prototypical version of the Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS UMC CS lens.

Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS UMC CS is a prototype of the ultra wide-angle prime lens designed for use with cameras fitted with APS-C/DX sensors. Its extremely short focus length and rectilinear imaging system ensure extra wide angle of view amounting to 110 degrees (~107 degree for Canon version). As a result the lens is a comprehensive tool for architecture and landscape shooting. New Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS UMC CS is similar to the 35mm system lens with 15mm or 16mm focal length in the case of Canon APS-C cameras.

All details concerning the optical construction of the lens and available mounts will be published at a later date. The lens will be introduced for sale either at the end of 2012 or in the first days of 2013.

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Comments

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sbaechler0
By sbaechler0 (Jan 11, 2013)

We'll have to wait another year to find out:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=456583604400854&set=a.108293225896562.11313.102447209814497&type=1

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noncho
By noncho (Sep 17, 2012)

Great!
I was thinking about 10-12mm EF-S prime for a while and I don't think MF is problem on ultrawide lenses. If it's good quality and cheaper than 14 2.8 I'll go for it :)

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WordsOfFarewell
By WordsOfFarewell (Sep 17, 2012)

Hm, to bad it doesn't take filters otherwise this might have been worth a look since they usually have very fair prices.

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (Sep 16, 2012)

Wouldn't it be great if this brilliant Korean company came out with a pro-grade, retro-styled full-frame DSLR body to go with this increasingly delicious library of lenses! Something vaguely modelled on a Canon F1 or Nikon F6, only digital of course, maybe even with interchangeable (100% coverage) focusing screens and/or prism housings. Advanced photography has lost a lot since the passing of these brilliant, true system cameras.

Brian

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Fixx
By Fixx (Sep 17, 2012)

Not likely. Designing and manufacturing a good camera body is hard. And totally different art from lenses.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Sep 24, 2012)

They'd better focus on expanding lens line up and build quality instead of messing with new bodies.

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leoda
By leoda (Sep 16, 2012)

Reading a review of the Samyang 14mm, the comments were that the manual focusing (1) had a very short angle of rotation from closest to infinity and (2) the friction damping was virtually non existent so the manual focusing "feel" was not comfortable.

Does anyone have hands on manual focusing experience of the Samyang lenses? Would you comment on this ?

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tsk1979
By tsk1979 (Sep 16, 2012)

Yes, 'I own a 8mm fisheye, and its hard to believe its a lens costing less than 350D. Manual focusing is never an issue in the ultra wides. Of course, those using the 85mm 1.4 would face a lot of trouble manual focusing, but no such problem for wides

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Docrwm
By Docrwm (Sep 16, 2012)

I own a Samyang 85/1.4 and its built like a tank. The throw is a good 150 degrees and its buttery smooth with nice dampening. It's a pleasure to use and produces some of the most amazing images. Focusing is a challenge <2.8 (as it is on any MF lens on a dSLR) but it is worth it. Either the 14mm is completely different or the reviewer was full of it because Samyang's have a definite reputation for having a user friendly throw and dampening.

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leoda
By leoda (Sep 16, 2012)

I have found several other reviews of the 14mm and they praise the manual focusing "feel" and damping.
I am definitely keeping my eye on this lens and what people say about it. This would be 15mm on my APS digital . . . . what a ball !

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gasdive
By gasdive (Sep 16, 2012)

I've got a Samyang 24mm 1.4. The focus seemed a little overdamped at first but now is perfect. It never moves by itself, but can be adjusted with one finger. Lovely feel, huge focus ring. The aperture ring is a little small but ok. There's no hard stop at infinity but the markings are perfect and I just need to line up the infinity mark to get perfect stars. (unlike the Canon L lenses that are really hard to use at night) Overall it's got a better feel and ergos than my Canon L glass. Now I just need to swap the hopeless foucus screen on the 5d2

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 15, 2012)

hot - hot - hot - stuuUf

Samyang, you are my hero!

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Koulang
By Koulang (Sep 15, 2012)

I have waited for such lens since firstly owned DSLR. Even though, I am about to move to mirrorless camera Canon EOS M. If I have lens adapter, I'll buy Samyang.

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jtan163
By jtan163 (Sep 15, 2012)

NIce - samyang are really coming to town for all the off beat (read not 35mm) sized sensors.
Finally a real APS-C wide angle.

Yeah AF would be nice, but where a lof of the gaps (fisheye, tilt shift, wide angle) in the APC/MFT line up are AF is not an absolute deal breaker.

Awesome.

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Chris Yates
By Chris Yates (Sep 15, 2012)

Samyang will rock everyone's boat if they were to start releasing all their primes with AF.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 15, 2012)

mm - yes. But personally I like it. MF lenses are better at MF than AF lenses.

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RaZZ3R Death
By RaZZ3R Death (Sep 15, 2012)

Wouldnt it be possible to mount filters on the plastic thread of the lens hood ? It's really annoying that we can't use ND/Polarizer/Other filters with wide angle lenses where we need them the most :)

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carokann
By carokann (Sep 15, 2012)

Most likely no due to vignetting.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 15, 2012)

Polarisers dont work all that well on super wide angle lenses. The polairisation effect varies greatly for different angles.

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Docrwm
By Docrwm (Sep 16, 2012)

Vignetting is a real problem as are artifacts from any CPL filter you put on an UWA lens. I appreciate that the hood is removable, which means it can be replaced if it gets dinged (unlike some of the other UWA lenses with their fixed hoods).

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Roberto Mettifogo
By Roberto Mettifogo (Sep 15, 2012)

Are these lenses profiled in Lightroom for auto correction of vignette, distorsion, CA... ?

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

of course they are, lightroom included their profiles 2 years ago, because they knew that samyang will show a prototype with a black mirror as lens at photokina 2012

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Fixx
By Fixx (Sep 15, 2012)

I have not seen any profiles that correct "moustache" distortion of Samyang 14mm lens. I do not think LR can even correct any complicated distortions.

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doctorbza
By doctorbza (Sep 15, 2012)

custom profiles of lenses not already in the LR database can be created, and can correct for complex/moustache distortion.

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Roberto Mettifogo
By Roberto Mettifogo (Sep 16, 2012)

I meaant "will adobe profile these lenses or nobody knows it ? are existing samyang lenses profiled ?

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Peksu
By Peksu (Sep 16, 2012)

Since the lens doesn't have electrical contacts, you would have to enter the lens and aperture information manually. I don't think Adobe has profiles for anything from Samyang, I certainly haven't found one for my 35mm.

The distortions are small in Samyangs, it's easy enough to make manual corrections for vignette etc. and turn that into a preset.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Sep 15, 2012)

they mention its rectilinear; this lens has zero distortion. If samyang manages to pull this off, this will be one of the best primes by a long shot. I cant wait to try this out on a x pro1 lol!

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Fixx
By Fixx (Sep 15, 2012)

I do not see any mention about zero distortion. Wide angle lenses usually have more or less barrel distortion or worse.

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Anadrol
By Anadrol (Sep 16, 2012)

By rectilinear, they just mean that it's not a fisheye !

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fmian
By fmian (Sep 15, 2012)

Let's hope it doesnt have the spaghetti distortion of the similar 14mm f/2.8 FX lens.

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3a
By 3a (Sep 15, 2012)

nikon 10-24 is 3.5 @ 10mm, have zoom, take filters and is priced decently at 800$. To beat that and make users buy this instead, samyang have to price this lens that much competitively.
i believe, Samysng's profit is in the quantity sold and not margin on a lens. they should try to make cheap alternative of costly lenses. (like their huge hits. 85mm, 14mm, etc)
i just got the 85mm and i love it !!

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

if it has less distortion than the nikon , people would buy it anyway.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Sep 15, 2012)

Excellent. Use it on DX or on m43 bodies. Heck, I'd even use it on my D800 NOT in DX crop mode to see what it can do.

Love this company's innovation and willingness to fill the gaps left by the big boys.

Hopefully it will be a quality optic!

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Deleted-pending
By Deleted-pending (Sep 14, 2012)

Great lens for video shooters unfortunate that it is only APSC, but still usable in DX crop mode on Nikon FX cameras. Does it have any filter tread ?

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David Kinston
By David Kinston (Sep 14, 2012)

Will it beat the Tokina 116? F2.8, AF, very sharp to the edge

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 15, 2012)

No one but Samyang Optics knows until it's been tested.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

oh yes it will, i can see that from the mockup

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Fixx
By Fixx (Sep 15, 2012)

in my books my Tokina 11-16 is good enough and Samyang 10mm is not necessary. But good to have competition anyway.

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Aputra
By Aputra (Sep 19, 2012)

In my book, of the samyang is half the price of tokina, it is necessary

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cobarcore
By cobarcore (Sep 26, 2012)

I really hope samy 10 is better than Tokina 11-16... my experience with the last is quite bad...

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Sep 14, 2012)

90% shots it will be set to infinity. So MF shouldn't a problem.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

As long as you have what I like to call a FOCUS RING on the lens, particularly one with what I like to call WITNESS MARKS indicating camera to subject distances, focusing will never be an issue with this or any other manual lens.

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sakjdakjas
By sakjdakjas (Sep 15, 2012)

It's way better to set the distance at 1-3m rather than infinity as with whatever F number other than fully open you'll get DoF reaching infinity anyway.

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paulbysea
By paulbysea (Sep 14, 2012)

If it is a good as the 8mm fisheye then they are onto a winner. I grew up with manual focusing lenses so it is not such a culture shock for me to use one. What I do miss is the focusing screen of yesteryears.
This lens and the tilt shift recently announced will definitely be on my christmas list.

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makofoto
By makofoto (Sep 14, 2012)

Correct ... "modern" "focus" screens are optimized for brightness and not focus-ability. A few top end cameras have interchangeable focus screens ...

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viking79
By viking79 (Sep 14, 2012)

Even the cheapest Pentax SLR has an interchangeable focus screen. You are right, some brands restrict them to more premium model cameras. A focusing screen good for manual focus will be darker for sure. However, most cameras have a feature called live view now which is even better for precise manual focusing if you aren't in a hurry.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 15, 2012)

The removal of interchangeable screens from many "pro" and "enthusiast" cameras was a step backwards by the big camera manufacturers - and not in the interest of photographers.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

also the removal of changeable prism boxes was a step backwards for nikon pro bodies. imagine a D4 where you could put out the prism, and look from above, better than any monitor can ever be, and they allready had it till the F4

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d2f
By d2f (Sep 14, 2012)

I wonder how the old school Samyang lens will compare to the Sigma 8-16 lens. Since the Sigma has AF, supports a electronic interface and has a zoom range that provides another level of control. I know it produces great images since I own one. Given that current DSLR cameras have high sensitivity and the depth of field of a wide angle lens is significant is there is any real need for a 2.8 lens? It is my opinion that current DSLR cameras are fairly difficult to focus manually, since their focusing screens are not optimized for manual focusing, unless there is a focus confirmation, which appears to be missing on this lens, with maybe the exception of the Nikon mount. Also this lens does not appear to have a old school depth of field scale on the lens barrel, which may limit its usefulness when it is needed.

d2f

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sodacan
By sodacan (Sep 14, 2012)

The Sigma is an interesting lens but it being f/4.5-5.6 - well it's hard to put it in the same category. My case: I usually shoot with long or at the very least longish lenses but when I go indoors, the zoom goes to the other end. So you can probably see where I'm going with this.

Manual focusing needs a bit of practice and in my case some special equipment but when you get the hang of it, it's fun. A lot of people also cheat and use the backscreen, but as you pointed out, such a wide lense has a long DOF which helps. You can get focus confirmation on Canon bodies as well.

Short focusing distance is also nice. Samyang only needs to price this thing right to turn it into a hit.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Sep 14, 2012)

An f2.8 lens is not at all the same as an f.4.5 lens. There is a huge void in almost all lens lines for large apeture wide angle lenses. Good luck trying to find a 17-35mm (FF equiv) f2.8 lens for any camera system except full frame (135). Nice to see somone trying to fill that void.

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JimmyMelbourne
By JimmyMelbourne (Sep 14, 2012)

Try the focus peaking on Sony SLTs. will sing with this lens.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (Sep 14, 2012)

I've got a Sigma 14mm f2.8 HSM lens and use it on a D5100, it's not as wide as this baby but at 21mm FF equiv it's pretty wide.

To be honest being a bit of a 'wide boy' I find it's on my cam more that the AFS 35mm f1.8 and AFS 50mm f1.4. It's quite big but not as big as the ultra wide zooms that are available for my cam. I got it on eBay in mint condition for less than 300 of my English pounds.

I'm pleased with it but it would be nice to go wider still. Anyway for those interested I have a set using this lens on Flickr, the link is : http://www.flickr.com/photos/56897352@N02/sets/72157628370826967/

But, hey don't be too critical of my pics mind I'm purely amateur............ :)

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ d2f, you are priceless. Comparing a fully manual fixed focus lens with an all-electronic zoom lens.

How about comparing that new Rolls Royce motorcar to that old coffee grinder next?

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makofoto
By makofoto (Sep 14, 2012)

Isn't the 8/16 zoom a fish-eye zoom? This new lens is rectilinear.

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washcoll2004
By washcoll2004 (Sep 15, 2012)

No, it is not a fish-eye zoom. There is some distortion but it is meant to be rectilinear. People saying that f4.5 isn't in the same world as 2.8 might want to wait and see how this lens performs. I have the 8mm Samyang and that lens needs to be stopped down to at least f5.6 for ideal sharpness (which is fine because it is a super wide lens.) Point is, maybe this lens will be perfectly sharp from 2.8 (or maybe it will need to be stopped down) but I can tell you that the outside of its size, the Sigma 8-16 is a very nice lens itself.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 15, 2012)

@d2f
You hardly need a dof scale on a 10mm lens - even at 2.8 everything from about 1 metre to infinity can be in focus.

Also it is easy enough to make your own dof scale and tape it to the lens.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

who cares the sigma is a plastic zoom, who would buy a plastic zoom over a metal-made prime lens ? ^^

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jeep
By jeep (Sep 14, 2012)

Now if they made a version for E mount that would be very cool, the 8mm f2.8 fisheye is very sharp.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 14, 2012)

This years Photokina is a blast!!!

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nemark
By nemark (Sep 14, 2012)

Bravo for Samyang!!!
Now my dreams are nearing to come truth! For years (actually from the beginning of APS-C DSLR era), for UWA primes you had only to choose from full frame UWA options, and choice was very narrow, HEAVY and BULKY.... and EXPENSIVE! If someone is oriented to APS-C DSLR, that isn`t always just because at the moment you don`t have the money for full frame, so you buy huge, expensive FF lenses and later switch to FF body. No, I stick to APS-C DSLR cause I want a COMPACT body, and COMPACT lenses, too. My xxxD EOS cameras WITH battery grips are more than light weight compared to any FF DSLR without a battery grip. Even my xxD APS-C EOS was more than I wanted to carry all day around and I sold it. I even contacted Tamron and Tokina regarding APS-C compact UWA prime, and answers were negative.

So again, BRAVO for Samyang!

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RichardBalonglong
By RichardBalonglong (Sep 14, 2012)

This is a very nice lens for night time time lapse photography. With its f/2.8 aperture, it will help the photographer to capture more light from space...
Also a very nice lens for low light photography especially in the field of photojournalism where the photographer doesn't use any flash, and also for street photography...
Hope that this lens dont have the mustache distortion like their Samyang 14mm f/2.8...

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makofoto
By makofoto (Sep 14, 2012)

It might be 2.8, but I'm betting that like many of these fast very wide lenses, the edges are soft wide open. One needs to stop down to at least a 4 to sharpen those edges up. Sometimes soft edges aren't a big deal ...

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Wedding photographer
By Wedding photographer (Sep 14, 2012)

I really like the lenses of this company.
Once I have done an entire wedding on Samyang Fisheye lens:
http://zoomvrn.ru/portfolio/svadebnoe-foto/progulka-na-vertolete
I hope that new inexpensive 10mm 2.8 lens will be also useful too.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 14, 2012)

It looks like it was necessary for that wedding!

Probably not a good idea for most, though.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

thats the entire wedding ? a helicopter ride ? ^^

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Sep 14, 2012)

For a wide angle lens the AF and Image stabilization are not important features. I hope that the resolving capabilities of this lens is good, specially at the edges of the frame.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Any rumors on price?

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Steve Balcombe
By Steve Balcombe (Sep 14, 2012)

Let's start one.

$300/€300/£280

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 14, 2012)

Next step, turn it into reality!!!

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

I'd buy it for about that price, especially if sharp at the corners with no vignetting.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

that sounds pretty realistic to me, i bought their 85 1.4 for 280€ brand new ^^

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (Sep 14, 2012)

Looks like another useful, inexpensive prime from Samyang. The manual focus wide angles are particularly suited to manual focus even for inexperienced photographers... Well done, Samyang. I owned the fisheye for a while, and it was a much less costly route to play around with focal lengths outside my safe zone.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

The world is increasingly led from Korea now. Once it was Europe, and then Japan. Now, Korea. Without Korean innovators, we would be paying $5,000 for a 50mm/F1/8 Carl Zeiss glass probably. Thanks, Samyang!

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Uh, OK.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Sep 14, 2012)

I like cheapo lenses, cheapo smartphones and gangnam style, but I think that's about it with korean influence.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Sep 14, 2012)

And the $5000 German lens would be made in Japan.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Sep 14, 2012)

The 8mm fisheye is really cheap but it is an exellent lens. Hope this follows the same pattern.

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wyoming
By wyoming (Sep 15, 2012)

hope they start give more attention to m4/3 in the future.

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ginsbu
By ginsbu (Sep 14, 2012)

Now make a version for mirrorless! 10mm is a useful FL on both APS-C and 4/3-sized sensors.

Of course, a 6 or 7mm specifically for m4/3 would be welcome too!

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Sep 14, 2012)

It's a stop slower, but you can already get wider on m4/3 with the 7-14mm f4, and it's possibly smaller than this lens too (hard to tell just from these pics)

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goblin
By goblin (Sep 14, 2012)

Geee, I must be a lucky one, I thought I could use a Nikon version with a ten bucks adapter on my 4/3 and m43 bodies :)

Given that even the "dedicated" Samyang 4/3 - m34 optics have no electronics whatsoever...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

"Now make a version for mirrorless!"

There are plenty of mirrorless or translucent mirror cameras out there with APS-C sensors that this lens will perfectly work with, so what are you even talking about, ginsbu?

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cleverinstigator
By cleverinstigator (Sep 14, 2012)

Rokinon is the same company so yeah amazon search rokinon olympus enjoy

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ginsbu
By ginsbu (Sep 14, 2012)

This lens is designed for DSLRs. A 10mm f/2.8 designed for mirrorless would be much smaller. Not so hard to understand…

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ ginsbu, nowhere does the press release talk about something like this lens was designed for DSLRs. They only talk about sensor size. Really.

In other words, this Samyang lens should fit a camera with APS-C sized sensor. Pls, try to understand it.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

also if youre in europe you can buy their lenses under the brand walimex pro, there is a german shop/company that relables samyang lenses and sells them at walser-foto.de

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Anadrol
By Anadrol (Sep 16, 2012)

@Francis Carver, if a lens is built for an EVIL camera, a different optical formula can be used (compared to a design for a longer flange distance), and therefore the lens can be made smaller, "please try to understand it"...

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (Sep 14, 2012)

I just love the way Samyang concentrates on large aperture, manual focus prime lenses. If I had a compatible camera, I'd be buying these. I'm getting increasingly fed up with autofocus, and trying to convince my DSLR to focus on the part of the picture that I want to see sharp.

Long may Samyang resist the temptation to put its glass in plastic tubes with ultrasonic motors, image stablisers and all that other claptrap which is typical of most camera lenses these days.

Brian

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SnowHawkMike
By SnowHawkMike (Sep 14, 2012)

Or, you know, you could actually learn how to manually focus. Or not. I'm just some random guy on the internet making a suggestion that you will probably be slightly irritated with, and then you will forget about.◔_◔

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

Or indeed learn how to autofocus. Probably the most critical, yet misunderstood, skill in DSLR photography.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 14, 2012)

I will get this in Nikon mount. It will fit my Fuji S5 that has a split fresnel focusing screen and I will then be able to use it on my NEX with adapter. And, it will be cheaper as the close rand 10-15 that Sony has issued. This little surplus from 10 to 15 is not important to me, i use the 15 Voigtlaender for that. Those Samyang lenses are top quality and razor sharp.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ increments, you are shining today! You buy an AF lens -- and then you take courses in "How to Autofocus" with it? Wow, did not even know that. Clever lens this AF lens must be, lets others do the hard work of critical focusing.

@ FTW: Nikon F-mount is the way to go these days, I also feel, amazing that you can use this 10mm lens (with the various camera crop options engaged) on the brand new FF Nikon D600 for both photos and video.

I am not at all familiar with Fuji F5, does it take an F-mount lens w/o any lens adapter?

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

@Francis Carver (not quite sure why you're all upset with me) the OP was complaining about not being able to autofocus his camera. Insinuating the AF system was to blame. That's why I suggested learning how his AF system worked might be a simpler solution to his woes.

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (Sep 14, 2012)

Here's the funny thing, my children ... for the first 30 years or so of my photographic life, I not only focused by hand, but used a weird recording medium called "film" which BOTH cost many pennies every time I pressed the shutter button, AND refused to let me review my shot until a week or two later.

Mysteriously, most of my best photos originate from this strange medium. Picking up a $3000 DSLR+Lens combo and squeezing off a few hundred shots in the hope one might work, is not clever. It is not helpful. And it is NOT ART.

7 years of autofocus, autoexposure, autowhitebalance has left me yearning a time when sunsets were golden, indoor scenes were warm, and if you needed to, you changed this with pieces of coloured glass in front of the lens.

My next camera might be a Nikon D4 for all I know. But it will be attached to manual-focus Zeiss glass, and with a fixed daylight colour balance. I want to start enjoying PHOTOGRAPHY, rather than "shooting pictures", once more.

There!

Brian

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

i dont understand the problems that some people have with modern dslrs and manual focusing, and why everyone wants a splitscreen back.

i mean i wanted it too, but honestly i own 7 primes, and only the 20 and the 50 are AF, i focus all other lenses just with the focus confirmation LED in the viewfinder. i mean what could be better than having a clear screen and a small green LED that shows you when its in focus ? ^^

i used splitscreens from 1988 to 2008 and i just cant understand what makes them better then a focus LED

please someone explane ?

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

@biowizard

i cant follow your arguments

first of all, photography is a craft and if you decide so you can make art with it, like with all crafts that you master to a point where you get bored.

if you use AF to make an artsy picture, why would this change the message you wanted to tell with this picture ?

to me its not art when its a random product that wasent planned.

so if i snap a picture by accident, and it turns out to be artsy, then its not art. its only art when it was in your head before and it turned out like it turned out just because you're SO good with whatever medium you chose, that you can make an exact copy of what is in your head.

thats art. for me :)

but it has absolutely nothing to do which material or medium i use for that, no matter if its AF or not

also i ALLWAYS shoot daylight only, on my D700 since i got it, and own only primes and 5/7 of my lenses are manual focus. so why didnt you do the same when you like film and manual so much?

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increments
By increments (Sep 15, 2012)

@biowizard

There's nothing to stop you applying the same discipline you needed shooting film to the digital world.

Your comments about AF, WB, and AE lead me to reiterate my previous comments:

Learn your camera. Until you do, you're going to be endlessly disappointed.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Sep 14, 2012)

"....With its 15mm-equivalent, 110 degree angle of view, it will be the widest-angle rectilinear prime lens for APS-C/DX format SLRs.."

does sigma 8-16mm count as a rectilinear lens?

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mgblack74
By mgblack74 (Sep 14, 2012)

Sigma makes a wide zooooooom lens. Samyang is the widest prime lens for APS-C. I.e. single focal length. And is two stop faster as f/2.8 to boot.

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mgblack74
By mgblack74 (Sep 14, 2012)

Widest prime lens that's not a fisheye.

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Elaka Farmor
By Elaka Farmor (Sep 14, 2012)

Doesn´t matter, Sigma is not a prime

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Sure, but the 8-16 isn't a prime lens so it doesn't invalidate that statement.

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manakiin
By manakiin (Sep 14, 2012)

How come nobody mentioned that Sigma is a zoom lens, not a prime...

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Sep 14, 2012)

Make it for APS-C EVIL/mirrorless please.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Just add $15 to the price and get an adapter for a Canon mount one. Problem solved and you just increased the resale potential.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Not, they won't be making that, so sorry. You just have to get a $20 lens mount adapter and put this particular 10mm lens on your camera all by yourself.

Too much work, I know.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

why you would get the canon version with no aperture ring ?

i dont know ...

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JJJPhoto
By JJJPhoto (Sep 14, 2012)

Granted, manual focus isn't a big deal on extreme wide angle lenses like this because the DOF is huge ... but I think the only thing holding back Samyang from rivaling Sigma and Tamron is the lack of AF in their lenses.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Sep 14, 2012)

You are right, for f2.8 lens, i think focus point does make a difference
even with its huge DOF.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Their reputation wouldn't be nearly as well as it is if they tried to do Autofocus. Once a lens has autofocus, the discussion moves from sharpness and optics, to how well/fast can it focus. There are several Tamron/Sigma lenses that would actually be highly regarded if they weren't let down by poor autofocus. Going MF only takes the responsibility for focus out of their hands and eases QC demands.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Professional lenses do not have all that autofocus, anti-shake, servo motor garbage built into them.

Just ask the cinema folks -- like $30,000 Cooke prime lenses without AF, anti-shake, motor, nothing. Just metal and glass, no kidding about it, either.

JJJPhoto, Samyang is not for you, as they don't make the types of lenses that you need.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 14, 2012)

who needs AF, I never use AF, except when I run around as a tourist in a group. I use the NEX-7 in manual mode all time, even with the kit lens. I focus almost as fast as the AF system and, I focus on the spot on what i want, without losing time to select among 39, 52 or 102 points in the viewfinder. AF is Yuppie stuff.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ FTW: Right on, Brother!

Manual focusing is a split second job, your BRAIN sets the focus really, your fingers just execute the order in a flash.

Once they put decent computers into these cameras and lenses, they might be able to do a better job at AF. For starters, they should really read your brainwaves, since only you know what you want to be in perfect focus, right?

Also, if you go with a Sony camera and some others, the anti-shake is in the camera body, anyhow. Where it should be, instead of in the lens. So, let us say this 10mm Samyang on a Sony Alpha/NEX, would it still not be a stabilized lens if you wanted it to?

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makofoto
By makofoto (Sep 14, 2012)

If only our modern cameras had decent "focusing" screens

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 15, 2012)

@Francis Carver

The "anti-shake in the camera body" is only in Sony's Alpha cameras - not in their NEX cameras. Of course Pentax and Olympus have it too.

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linux99
By linux99 (Sep 14, 2012)

Has anyone seen a photograph taken with an equivalent of one of these whihc 1 looks good 2 isn't in the "what lenses for your DSLR" section of a beginners photography book?

Cant see thye point of this at all - 2 -3 novelty shots then it's an expensive way to counterweight your gear bag.

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Iskender
By Iskender (Sep 14, 2012)

Yes. And you most likely have too. It's just that the good shots make you think "nice shot" rather than "wideangle shot".

Same thing with HDR - good shots are common, but they don't stick out since they just look like what our eyes see all the time.

It's not easy to get it right of course, but far from impossible.

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Steve Balcombe
By Steve Balcombe (Sep 14, 2012)

I use the wide end of my Canon 10-22 quite often for very ordinary, non-novelty shots in confined situations. Try walking round Venice for a few hours and you'll soon get the idea. And the novelty shots can be fun too, if you don't overdo it.

What I don't get about this lens, though, is what it offers that the much more convenient ultrawide zooms don't offer. It's only one stop faster than the slowest of them (the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6) and there can't be many situations where that one stop is really needed.

And it looks like it doesn't take filters which further limits its appeal.

It will have to be very, very good and no more than half the price of the Sigma if it's not to end up in the remainder bins.

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cfh25
By cfh25 (Sep 14, 2012)

Guilty as charged - 10mm & HDR:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/1699028911/photos/2012683/loch-tummel-sunset

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Entropius
By Entropius (Sep 14, 2012)

It's not quite as wide, but my widest lens is the 9-18mm for Four Thirds, and I've taken lots of "respectable-looking" shots at 9mm. It's a great focal length and a very versatile little lens.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

linux99 must be a birdman, he probably only uses super-telephotos.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

That could be a good reason for using this lens. It will likely be cheaper than the autofocus zoom wide angles. So you won't feel as bad using only for limited shots.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

one stop faster is still one stop faster, especially as you probably have to stop both down to make them really sharp.

and in ultra wide, a zoom is way to much of a compromise optically.

i rather take one halfway rectangular prime, than a zoom that has variable distortion depending on which focal lenght i chose

which also makes scripted correction not that much fun.

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Edoveral
By Edoveral (Sep 14, 2012)

I want this for MFT. If they bring this for MFT I would buy it without thinking.

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Knallberto
By Knallberto (Sep 14, 2012)

I have 8/14/35/85 mm Samyangs with Canon mount and use them also (with cheap, excellent Chinese adapters) with m4/3, NEX, NX. Verrrry good lenses!

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (Sep 14, 2012)

I used the Lumix 8mm f3.5 on a M43 system when I had one, not only did it produce brill results it was on my cam almost as much as the 14mm f2.5 and far more than the 20mm f1.7.

I bought it new and the price I got when I sold it on eBay was almost as much as the new price.

For those interested I have Flickr set for this lens the link is : http://www.flickr.com/photos/56897352@N02/sets/72157625582434846/

A cracking little lenses and if you like wide angles I'd recommend it for sure..... :)

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Sep 14, 2012)

if they can make a E-mount version and be lighter than the full-frame counterparts, I am sold. I just need one such lens for night photography on hiking trails.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

This lens in Sony E-mount? I most seriously doubt that.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

Night photography needs a tripod regardless of aperture, so the few ounces extra by adapting this to NEX will not be noticeable.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Sep 14, 2012)

I would love an 8mm F2.8 version of this lens for m4/3s.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

How about a 4mm/F0.5, would that work?

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berze
By berze (Sep 14, 2012)

Only the Tokina "prime-in-disguise" 11-16mm f2.8 can be compared to this one. The other lenses are barely concerned; they're too slow.

I look forward to tests comparing the two.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Good idea!

With manual focus, manual iris, and no zoom mechanism, the 10mm Samyang prime should give you superior imagery/IQ, but we'll have to wait and see.

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leoda
By leoda (Sep 14, 2012)

This looks VERY interesting, but . . . does that front glass protrude beyond the outer ring? . . . also . . . how would you attach a lens cap?
15mm is a very fun lens.

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kickstand
By kickstand (Sep 14, 2012)

Lookup the Samyang 14mm f/2.8 or the Peleng 8mm. The former has a flat lens cap with a very deep (over an inch deep) lip; it grips onto the hood. The latter is a curved lens cap with a grippy edge. Either design could work here.

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leoda
By leoda (Sep 14, 2012)

I see. Strange then that the hood is not integral. (I just sold a 15mm Cosina Voigtlander and the hood was integral.)
Thanks for the reply.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Sep 14, 2012)

I will wait for the 12mm F2.8 FF version but since Samyang has a 14mm F2.8 FF version that will not happen and Sigma has a 12-24mm FF zoom.

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kickstand
By kickstand (Sep 14, 2012)

Yeah, I'd say this lens is the APS-C version of the 14mm f/2.8.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

agree

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Jan Kritzinger
By Jan Kritzinger (Sep 14, 2012)

I can't believe there are people on this forum who say no to f/2.8.
You will always run into situations where you don't have enough light. ALWAYS.

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Cane
By Cane (Sep 14, 2012)

People will complain about anything.

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JensR
By JensR (Sep 14, 2012)

It's nice, but being able to mount a filter and size are also important. I can understand people preferring one over the other.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

I don't need f2.8 as much as I want the ability to zoom and use filters. One has to make compromises and f3.5/4 is still quite bright.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ tbkscl: An F4 lens is "quite bright" to you?

Heck, what exactly are you considering a dark lens, I wonder? One that can only open up to an F8 or F11?

Also, if you need the ability to zoom -- why are you wasting time here, looking at a single focal prime optic?

Just something to do, I suppose?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 14, 2012)

if f2.8 is bright, then so is f3.5. That's all I am saying. It's not even a full stop. If used the same shutter speeds, It wouldn't be so far off I couldn't fix it in post in 30 seconds.

If f2.8 is the brightest lens at that focal length, one stop down is still bright.

What a I doing here? Same thing as you, I suppose.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Sep 14, 2012)

I must be a misfit. I adore f/1.4.

Even at high ISO's.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

@ tbkslc: here is a list of existing "bright" single focal lenses, as far as I can remember them:

F0.7

F0.95

F1.2

F1.4

F1.7

F1.9

F2

Did I miss anything?

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doctorbza
By doctorbza (Sep 14, 2012)

<3 samyang.

wish they'd release a manual fisheye for full frame...

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fatdeeman
By fatdeeman (Sep 14, 2012)

Another wide angle prime with probably awesome IQ but no filter thread! This is a must for many landscape shooters!

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phemark
By phemark (Sep 14, 2012)

Help me understand the need of F2.8 in such a lens.

I would think, that at 10mm, this lens will be mostly used as a landscape/architecture photography tool, and for that you will need the biggest DOF. Of course, at 10mm even 2.8mm will you give great DOF, but i will doubt that anyone will use it due to softness.

So why is it F2.8? so you could handhold shoot at night some buildings? (Most would still use tripod and bigger F stop anyway)

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Plastek
By Plastek (Sep 14, 2012)

Easier manual focusing. f/2.8 is unimportant in cameras with EVF (they got automatic compensation and focus peaking thing), but key in APS-C OVF.

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jannefoo
By jannefoo (Sep 14, 2012)

Dunno, maybe you want to photograph something in low light, such as night sky with stars, northern lights, even landscapes in Moon light.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (Sep 14, 2012)

Milky way? Startrails? Landscapes in darkness?
Indoor photography?

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (Sep 14, 2012)

Well, one reason is low light (which is rarely a big issue because you can hand hold ultrawides at very slow shutter speeds); there are also bokeh (when close up), OVF brightness, and marketing.

However, there's a good chance this is really about getting higher IQ across the frame before hitting the diffraction limit. APS-C normals typically don't become diffraction limited until around f/14, but ultrawides can hit it as early as f/5.6. For example, my Sigma 8-16mm needs to be stopped-down a little to have good edges (like most lenses), but central sharpness only gets worse the more you stop down. I expect outstanding IQ from this Samyang.

The bad news is that I think zooms are more important for ultrawides because of the greater perspective control they offer and, although I love manual focus (especially on my NEX-7), autofocus can be a very useful option when placing your camera in the strange positions often required to make the best ultrawide images.

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kickstand
By kickstand (Sep 14, 2012)

Easy: architectural interiors in available light. Museums, hotel atriums, etc.

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Sep 14, 2012)

I need it as wide as possible and as bright as possible, because I mainly use ultra wide for night sky.

DOF is irrelevent for me.

So just do not generalize your own interests to others.

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Edoveral
By Edoveral (Sep 14, 2012)

Indoor shots of churches? That's one of my hobbies.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

"Help me understand the need of F2.8"

Okay, so have you availed yourself to one of the many fine, fine "Introduction to Photography" books that are available for purchase on places like amazon.com?

Most of them will have a section on lenses, what they are and what they do.

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deleted_081301
By deleted_081301 (Sep 14, 2012)

I have Samyangs 8mm fisheye and thats a stunning lens esp at the price
IF this is priced right it will be a winner

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Sep 14, 2012)

With such high modern ISOs, I can't see a justification for f2.8. Give us F4 and halve the price.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Nope. Samyang gave us an F2.8. Sorry.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 14, 2012)

Well, many people will see the justification, and that will probably improve sales. Most buyers of manual focus prime lenses are more attuned to quality and speed.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

i dont know, ok at this focal length its not that bad, but i would never ever buy a lens slower then f2.8.

i dont need to use it on 2.8 all the time but i want to have the ability to do so.

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MrKman
By MrKman (Sep 14, 2012)

Now all that Samyang has to do it come out with a fast, super-telephoto lens! Why not a Samyang 300 F2.8, 400 F2.8, 500 F4, or 600 F5.6? I'd highly consider one of those! Sure would beat old Canon FD super telephotos.

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Entropius
By Entropius (Sep 14, 2012)

I'd likely buy one of these if the price were right and it were sharp.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

first of all they bring out the 180 ƒ2 or the 200 ƒ2 then you can have your precious 300+ lenses iam not interested in hehe

also a 135 ƒ1.8 could be nice

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

Given the quality of some of the existing AF wide angle zooms, this is either going to have to be stellar in terms of IQ, or be very affordable...

Is it greedy to want both? ;)

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Who knows what you are even talking about, increments. Why are you comparing an autofocus lens with a fully manual focus lens in the first place, do you know?

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

Because they cover the UWA end for APS-C cameras. These zooms are all decent quality and allow more flexibility and ease of use. Therefore for the Samyang to be a worthwhile alternative it must either outperform those lenses optically, or be noticeably cheaper. (Providing of course that size and weight isn't the only consideration.)

Do you know what you're talking about Francis Carver?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 14, 2012)

Samyang/Rokinon/Bower Korean-made lenses:

1. No nonsense design, just the metal and the glass, thank you.

2. No AF striving, no servo motors whizzing, no anti-shaking, none of that mess.

3. Very attractive prices compared to the European and Japanese alternatives.

4. Good to very good optical quality.

I thought that everybody out there knows that a $300 Samyang fixed focal lens is cheaper than a $1,000 Japanese made zoom lens, but maybe not.

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

Pricing Example Amazon UK:

Sigma 10-20mm £326, Tokina 11-16mm £500, Canon 10-22mm £540, Tamron 10-24mm £350.

Samyang 14mm £330

Sometimes a MF-only dumb-mount 3rd party offering isn't quite the bargin you might think.

Re: AF and VR

You don't want them, that's OK. However lots of people may see their omission as a negative. (You can always turn them off.)

BTW I don't know how we've gone from me posting that I was interested in this lens to you somehow getting the impression I'm trashing it, then also acting like I'd insulted you in some way.

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JensR
By JensR (Sep 14, 2012)

> Sigma 10-20mm £326, Tokina 11-16mm £500, Canon 10-22mm £540, Tamron 10-24mm £350.
> Samyang 14mm £330

The Samyan g is a FF lens. While this is maybe of no relevance to an APS-C user, it does explain some of the price. (Pentax's APS-C 14/2.8 is also more expensive.)

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increments
By increments (Sep 14, 2012)

@JensR

Absolutely. Until the lens is released we don't know the price and image quality. (That's what prompted my OP wish list.)

If this lens provides a noticeable bump in image quality over the Tokina at a price that justifies giving up the zoom flexibility and AF, my camera bag will get a bit lighter.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

oh come on you really compare this lens to a bunch of cheap 3rd party zoom lenses ? am i daydreaming ? ^^

so you wanna tell me that a 50 1.4 of any company is worse than a kit zoom that also has 50mm in its range and costs roughly the same?

probably you dont see the advantage of primes or never thought about that, but when a lens is designed for one specific focal lenght only, then theres no doubt that its has to be superiour to a zoom lens, unless its a VERY expensive one.

i shot all the lenses you mentioned above except the canon zoom, and i owned and used a few samyang lenses, and if this lens is anything near to the quality of the 85 1.4 for example then forget about the lenses you mentioned, even without any prime lens to compare them against, those lenses are crap

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increments
By increments (Sep 15, 2012)

@inevitable crafts studio

You've missed my point.

Those zooms autofocus, and give you more freedom in terms of composition.

If Samyang gets it right we should see gains in terms of improved distortion, resolution, CA, etc.

The question is will it be enough of an improvement to merit the inconvenience? (Price will also affect that equation.)

Those lenses are certainly not garbage. They have limitations, but for most people they'll do the job.

I'm going to repeat this just so everyone's clear:

A Prime lens SHOULD be better than a zoom at their matched focal lengths, what we have to wait and see it by how much then decide what lens best fits your needs.

BTW using the 50mm prime as an example for prime superiority is really giving primes as big a helping hand as possible.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

no comparing it to a macro is what you call helping hand :)

i just chose 50 because its covered by most zooms and is available in any mount.

iam just no friend of zooms at all hehe

i jsut cant see the point especially up to light teles

i mean a 100-400 zoom certainly makes sense because if it doesnt fit in a 400mm frame, you have to move more then a few steps.
but with wideangle lenses i cant see the point unless there is no prime available

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increments
By increments (Sep 15, 2012)

That's fine, each to his own.

I generally prefer primes because of the increased performance in small packages for reduced cost.

That said, for APS-C thus far, there hasn't been a prime that would fit the bill for me. I'm going to be looking at the reviews of this one very carefully!

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gasdive
By gasdive (Sep 17, 2012)

Increments, you compared the price of the Samyang 14mm with the Canon zoom. Why not compare apples with apples and compare it to the Canon 14mm prime? With a list price of 2809.99 pounds. It makes 330 for the Samyang look pretty damn good.

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increments
By increments (Sep 17, 2012)

@gasdive

I'm not comparing it to the canon prime, BECAUSE of the price. I'm not going to buy a £2800 lens. I might buy the Tokina zoom lens, I might buy this Samyang. The decision will rest on the criteria I've already explained.

For the nth time on this thread: I'm not trying to make any statement about the quality of this (10mm) lens. It has not been released yet.

To compare the 14mm lenses, of course the Samyang is better value. (See Roger Cicala's law of diminishing returns to lens expenditure.)

However my question back to you would be is it any more ridiculous to compare a £300 lens to a £500 lens or to a £2800 one?

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ngollan
By ngollan (Sep 14, 2012)

The photos might just be of a prototype, but looking at the bright white reflections on the front and back lenses, the whole thing doesn't look very coated to me.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 15, 2012)

but you can see that the lenses are shiny black plastic lenses because ts a mockup ? :)

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