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Apple reveals iPhone 5 with updated camera - here's what you need to know

By dpreview staff on Sep 12, 2012 at 17:59 GMT

Apple unveiled the highly anticipated iPhone 5 featuring an updated 8-megapixel backlit CMOS sensor, durable sapphire glass lens cover and larger, 4", 16:9 screen. A more powerful A6 processor allows improved noise reduction, 40 percent faster capture and improved low-light performance through a 'dynamic low light mode,' that Apple isn't giving further details of. Now that it’s here, you probably want to know: is it worthy of the hype? Read on for more news on that larger screen.

At first glance, the iPhone 5 might not look like a huge visual leap forward compared to the iPhone 4S. Though similar to its predecessor (with buttons in the same place as the 4S), it sports a lengthened design and an even thinner depth than the iPhone 4S. At today’s press event in San Francisco, Apple’s senior vice president of worldwide marketing Phil Schiller called the iPhone 5 “the world’s thinnest smartphone,” at 18 percent thinner and 20 percent lighter than the iPhone 4S.

The iPhone 5 is the first iPhone to see a bigger display profile, boasting a 4-inch screen with 16:9 aspect ratio.

The biggest visual feature sure to set tongues wagging: a significantly bigger screen. Ever since its initial release, iPhones have sported a 3.5-inch screen. The iPhone 5 is the first iPhone to see a bigger display profile, boasting a 4-inch screen with 16:9 aspect ratio. The iPhone 5 still maintains the same pixel density of the iPhone 4S (326ppi), resulting in a resolution of 640 × 1,136 pixels, allowing it to maintain use of the Retina moniker. That means more resolution real estate for photo reviewing capabilities, a bigger and better picture for everything else you do on your phone and a fifth row of home screen icons. The screen also sports 44% better color saturation and full sRGB rendering. However, it still lags behind other screen behemoths in the market such as the yet-to-be-released Nokia Lumia 920 (4.5-inches at 332ppi) and the Samsung Galaxy S III (4.8-inches at 306ppi). 

The new screen uses a technology called in-cell touch. In the past, iPhones screens consisted of three separate layers – a Corning Gorilla® Glass® protective layer, a touch recognition layer, and finally the LCD screen. A series of touch sensors detected finger taps and swipes to give the phone touchscreen capabilities. The iPhone 5 does away with the touch sensor layer entirely, integrating those sensors right into the LCD display and leading to the phone’s thinner design. 

The new hardware specs also bode well for photo buffs: the new iPhone is fast, running on a new A6 processor. Overall, the company claims graphics and CPU speeds twice that of the A5 chip in the iPhone 4S.

Apple shared a gallery of images from the new iPhone 5.

The iPhone 5’s camera is the same 8-megapixel, five-element lens with f/2.4 aperture as the iPhone 4S, but 25 percent smaller than its predecessor. This time around the lens is protected by a durable piece of sapphire crystal. The camera also has the same 3,264 by 2,448 backside-illuminated sensor. 

A new dynamic 'low-light mode' evaluates nearby pixels to give photographers up to two f-stops great performance in low light. The camera’s lens cover is a sapphire lens crystal cover, which is durable and clear. A new Panorama mode stitches together multiple photos in real-time as you sweep your phone back and forth. Using image stabilization and removing extraneous artifacts from the picture, Panorama mode produces pictures at a full 28 megapixels. Once you’ve taken photos, a new feature called Shared Photo Streams lets you share a stream of photos with family and friends through just a few finger taps. They’ll receive a pop-up notification when your photos arrive on their phones.

The iPhone 5’s video capabilities are improving, too. While the 1080p quality remains the same on the rear camera, the front camera takes a step up to 720p. When shooting video, there’s better video stabilization and the ability to snap photos while you’re recording. There’s also facial recognition for up to 10 people at a time. 

New microphones on the iPhone 5 add to the video capabilities. There are three now, up from two on the 4S — one on the front, one on the back and one of the bottom of the device. The device also offers better noise-cancelling effects and 'wideband audio,' a wider audio spectrum for better voice transmission (think clearer-sounding FaceTime chats).

When you upload photos and videos or use video chat, the iPhone 5 has the potential to be a lot faster. It features 4G LTE wireless service, with a single chip for voice and data, as well as a single radio chip. All three major U.S. carriers—Verizon, AT&T and Sprint—will support LTE. Apple execs said that LTE is 'potentially faster than a wi-fi connection,' which may be true, depending on your provider. It also gives the iPhone 5 a definite edge over its predecessor: LTE has the potential for three times quicker data speeds than the iPhone 4S, at almost 23 megabits per second.

There are big changes to the device’s dock connector, too. The new connector unveiled at the event is called Lightning, and it’s 80 percent smaller than the previous dock connector cable shipped with all Apple products. Adapters for all the previous peripherals are on their way, Apple confirmed.

Also on display at the event were the features of Apple’s new iOS 6 operating system. The new Maps app will use Apple’s own maps software, instead of piggybacking off of Google’s like on previous iPhones. There’s a lot more visual functionality here: you can zoom in and out on 3D buildings in portrait or landscape mode with enhanced satellite imagery. Siri will now read your turn-by-turn directions, and she can also post statuses to Facebook and Twitter at your command. Safari now has iCloud Tabs, a feature that syncs your open tabs across Apple devices. Open a tab on your MacBook and it’ll open up in Safari on your iPhone 5. In iOS 6, the browser also has a full-screen view accessed by tapping on-screen arrows. 

The iPhone 5 keeps the same pricing plan as the 4S under contract: $199 for the 16GB, $299 for the 32GB and $399 for the 64GB model.

Preorders will begin on Sept. 14, with the iPhone 5 starting to ship Sept. 21.

Story by Logan Kugler and DPR staff.

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BruceBorowski
By BruceBorowski (Mar 14, 2013)

ipeople have nothing better to do than worship and extol each incarnation of their god

1 upvote
CreamJuicy
By CreamJuicy (11 months ago)

And look how you spend your time; criticizing people who are different than you. Nice.

2 upvotes
BruceBorowski
By BruceBorowski (Mar 14, 2013)

Nothings new except the BS

0 upvotes
teastain
By teastain (Feb 24, 2013)

Just a request to the other commenters:
Just as we keep racism and politics out of the comments, please let's also keep FanBoy-ism out as well.

If you have a helpful comment please share.
If you prefer the way one company does something, go ahead and say so, but don't bash. It is not helpful.

3 upvotes
vanessaelizebeth
By vanessaelizebeth (Feb 14, 2013)

The iPhone5 is a marvellous piece of design ,the most beautiful object Apple has ever produced.It is thinner ,lighter and more powerful than iPhone4s,but to really understand it,you need to hold it in your hand.

www.mobilephonesreview.in

3 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (Feb 16, 2013)

that was a pathetic comment... iSheeps are really weird people.

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karsh
By karsh (Mar 5, 2013)

I couldn't agree more on vanessaelizebeth's comments ! When you have an Apple device in your hands, you can't go back. I'm replying with my 42 month old 17 inches MacBook Pro and it still running like new !

1 upvote
rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jan 25, 2013)

Does it have quad core lightning speed and multiple windows run on a large screen like Galaxy S3 ?

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fcimbar
By fcimbar (Dec 21, 2012)

I wonder how they differ in drop tests

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John P.
By John P. (Dec 18, 2012)

I'm just curious about the longevity of the Samsung products vs. the Apple products. I've know some folks who had Samsung phones that didn't last long..they became defective, etc. I'm still using an Iphone 3Gs (ok..call me cheap), and it's over 3 and a half years old and still works great and holds it charge for a very long time. Any comments on this??

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raj_246
By raj_246 (Feb 3, 2013)

u r right in the sense that the long term durability of the Iphone 3Gs is unmatched!

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Dec 15, 2012)

Apple is copying GooPhone

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Rubenski
By Rubenski (Nov 13, 2012)

I hope that the 5s won't be taller as the Empire State Building. Lol

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METROMODEPHOTO
By METROMODEPHOTO (Nov 10, 2012)

by the way the camera on the galaxy note 2 has a low light seting wich works very very well too for those in the market who wants the best for their money.with the ability to see your photos on a 5.5 inch screen this is truly awesome and yes the note 2 is "BIG" and not as comfortable to hold in your hands like an iphone. once you get comfortable with its size after 3 to 5 days ,your good to go. yes 1080p video capability too and many many more photo feature you can find on slr you will find on your galaxy note too. i thought it was funny to have iso setting on a mobil phone but i was totally okay if it came with it.

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freediverx
By freediverx (Nov 19, 2012)

While I'm happy with my iPhone 5, I find the taller design noticeably less comfortable to use, especially when having to reach a button near the top of the screen. As Apple had warned back when they resisted a larger phone design, the extra screen size comes at the cost of ergonomics.

I can't imagine using one of those oversized Android phones.

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Dec 11, 2012)

Have you tried handling one? I recently held one during a trip to Belgium, and I found it considerably easier to wield and use than my iPhone 4, which was very surprising to me.

2 upvotes
Grateful11
By Grateful11 (Dec 31, 2012)

I agree with freediverx. As much as I like my iPhone 5 I liked the form factor of my 4 better. If the next one is any longer or wider I may have to pass or if they get away from the square edges I'll pass.

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METROMODEPHOTO
By METROMODEPHOTO (Nov 10, 2012)

it's a very nice phone until i looked at the samsung galaxy note-2, played with it a couple of times and switched choices. the iphone 5 seams outdated compared to samsung galaxy s3 and definitely galaxy note 2. the note two runs on quad-4 and if you need more memory than 16gb then just open the back of the phone and replace the 16gb card for a 64gb without having to "pay more" to upgraded model another words paying $200.00 dollars more vs / just buying a $40.00 dollar 64gb memory chip you can install yourself. i like flexibility allot. apple iphone just do everything through apple.if this is what you like its okay too but i prefer the freedom totally. soft wear and graphics? i think samsung galaxy series are much much better. plenty of video reviews on youtube for those who like to compare before they make one final choice.

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km25
By km25 (Nov 1, 2012)

It's just a phone. I have the 4s, I'll wait for the 5s. I think "s" is the way to go. They will clean stuff up. The new camera came with the 4s, may new camera with 5s too. But I will say one thing. Some of these phones are getting too big.

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lowra markee
By lowra markee (Oct 30, 2012)

S3 better more for me of size screen

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Oct 30, 2012)

Screen size like these ?????
http://9gag.com/gag/5457666

1 upvote
rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Oct 28, 2012)

Do a google search for "GOOPHONE i5" and you will get faster iPhone5 with quad-core instead of current dual-core on iPhone5.

2 upvotes
farhan malikseo
By farhan malikseo (Oct 11, 2012)

This is very nice blog about gadgets and technology. I have found great content here.

For more visit :

http://www.itechwhiz.com/2012/09/iphone5-vs-galaxy-s3-vs-iphone4s-vs-lumia920.html

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teastain
By teastain (Feb 24, 2013)

Self promotion here?
I took the liberty of copying this from your site.
Please don't do this...it is not nice.

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Sam Kapoor
By Sam Kapoor (Oct 9, 2012)

Yes I agree, Iphone 5 camera is not good in low-light situation. When we capture a picture in low or dim light (usually Night) then we see its picture quality is effects it is due some problem in phone camera. It also have purple haze problem in its camera which is due to some lens injuries but apple totally refused that. Don’t worry I have solution for that I just found the best solution at http://howmobile.net/apple-iphone/2853-solution-camera-issues-iphone.html. Hope you can like the solution. It’s very easy to understand. Hope the solutions solve your Iphone 5 camera trouble.
Thanks

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UponQuai
By UponQuai (Oct 7, 2012)

He said SORRY .....

http://9gag.com/gag/5493843

1 upvote
Pavel Sokolov
By Pavel Sokolov (Sep 27, 2012)

iphone 5 vs nokia lumia 920
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9d_Y8pMDqw

using it with fork
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BPp0xiZ4FY

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Photato
By Photato (Sep 16, 2012)

Funny that the iPod Touch outsells the iPhone yet it is ignored.
The new Touch version has the same lens as the iPhone5 but bigger pixels (5MP), so I wonder if it is going to be better for low light than the iPhone5. The touch is basically an iPhone5 minus the cell phone, but still can make wifi calls.
In regards to the screen, I see a lot of problems with all the rest of the iOS devices apps showing letter boxing because of the 16:9 new screen ratio. 16:9 might be great for movies (new ones) But for everything else a 3:2 screen ratio is a better compromise between movie ratios, better for web browsing, photos and apps.
I like that the screen gamut got bigger though, a feature everybody will enjoy.
Dont like the new 9pin proprietary connector, it seems like a step backwards since it lacks analog audio and video, and it renders all your 30pin accessories obsolete or impract.
Battery life has not improved and remains annoying almst everyone on a daily basis.
I think Ill skip a generation

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Sep 17, 2012)

The iPod Touch outsells the iPhone? With all due respect, or very little in this case, what kind of crack are you doing?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/9/3232018/confidential-apple-samsung-sales-numbers-trial

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (Sep 17, 2012)

Actually, I suspect the touch camera is the old iPhone4 version. Which, btw, is very, very good for a phone - imo one of the standout features of the phone.

Don't be concerned about the new A/R - some appes will use it, a bunch won't, and nobody will be the wiser. The "pillar box" bars are less than 1/4" wide on either side - it's not nearly as noticeable as you would expect, and far less annoying that using an iPhone app on an iPad.

wrt the connector, the analog outputs were/are notoriously noisy. Still, it sucks that they changed, and it will suck even more that they will have tightened the noose on cheap 3rd party adapters, since I'm sure there will be DRM on those pins which keep competition down in the aftermarket world.

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audijam
By audijam (Sep 27, 2012)

@thewhitehwak
for someone doesn't even know Ricoh or Pentax, such as you...i think you should stick with iphone and stop coming to DP. seriously. your comments are always provocative, meaningless and stupid.

sorry if you were just a teen...i shouldn't be so harsh on someone only recognizes iphone.

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Sep 16, 2012)

http://www.itproportal.com/2012/09/13/iphone-5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-2-spec-comparison/

2 upvotes
pumeco
By pumeco (Sep 16, 2012)

When that amount of Apple users suddenly hate Apple and the iPhone (and that's just one of endless sites), you know it's time to welcome back those users to the real world where Apple will no longer have a leash on their device usage, and once again, these adults will be able to do as they wish without permission from Apple and iTunes.

Welcome back, ex-Apple users, nice to see you :-)

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Sep 28, 2012)

It is good not to mix Apple users and iPhone or iPad users these are 2 different group of people.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (Sep 16, 2012)

In the UK costs are doubled: £529 for 16Gb (a £20 SD cards worth)

£599 for a 32 Gb model, and £699 for a 64Gb model (£60 SDHC UHS-1 cards worth)

Well?

1 upvote
MIKE GG
By MIKE GG (Sep 16, 2012)

its an apple sdhc card...£150 with a phone glued to it £250... plus its shiny and got round corners £350 ...and u forget the apple carcass sticker on the back ...£699

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OdellJ
By OdellJ (Sep 17, 2012)

Munro,

The prices you are quoting are the simfree/unlocked prices direct from Apple UK with no monthly contract. The prices in the article are on contract and are lower due to the subsidy.

One on contract example here in the UK, Vodafone at £37 GBP per month gets you unlimited minutes, unlimited text and 1Gb of data. The upfront handset cost for the iPhone 5 with this 2 year contract is 16Gb at £99 GBP, 32Gb at £209 GBP and 64Gb at £289 GBP

As usual, the upfront cost of the handset (as well as the included minutes and data) goes up and down if you choose to spend less or more per month respectively...

£42 GBP per month = 16Gb at £49 GBP, 32Gb at £149 GBP, 64Gb at £229 GBP

£33 GBP per month = 16Gb at £149 GBP, 32Gb at £269 GBP, 64Gb at £329 GBP

See here for the rest of Vodafone's offers on the iPhone 5...

vodafone.co.uk/brands/iphone/pay-monthly-iphone/index.htm

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Sep 16, 2012)

Woow, apple is really leaping in terms technological camera advances, the iphone can now take panoramic pictures!!! holy smoke!! this is a game changer!! I mean true panoramic!! this feature more than makes up for not having NFC in a smart phone, way to go crapple!!

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pumeco
By pumeco (Sep 16, 2012)

Hopefully Sony will come along and sue Apple then, Sony invented "Sweep Panorama" years ago and I'm pretty sure they didn't do it for Apple's benefit.

Man, I'd love for Sony to do to Apple what Apple did to Samsung.

But I hear you, to an Apple user this is going to look like the latest high-tech innovation even though Sony users have had it for years. Apple users are easily led, which is why they have an Apple product in the first place.

Don't know if it's true or not, but apparently someone asked SIRI if Apple users are educated enough to use a fully-adjustable EQ on their music player rather than a bunch of presets suitable for dummies.

I hear SIRI turned blush-red and replied "What is a fully-adjustable EQ?"

Of course, if Apple decide their users are capable of using one, it won't be just any EQ, hell no, it will be an Apple "iEQ" - only they'll have to pay me royalties because I hereby claim the name "iEQ" before they do.

*starts drooling over ludicrously expensive cameras*

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Laurentiu Todie
By Laurentiu Todie (Feb 4, 2013)

Didn't Sony get it from NASA?
(just asking; I like Sony and Apple, and NASA)

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hrp
By hrp (Sep 16, 2012)

I think that we can easily conclude from all the comments here that there is nothing Dpreview can do to make everyone happy. whatever they do a number of people are going to like it and name their reasons for liking it , others are going to not like it and come up with their own reasons. the things is 99% of the time we get the feeling of like or dislike before we have time to think of reasons to make our feeling seem legitimate.

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ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (Sep 16, 2012)

very nice article...thanks for this...hey guys, if you don't like to read a mobile phone article on a photography site, simply don't read it...i'm quite impressed with the photos...

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (Sep 17, 2012)

Man, you must be really impressionable and susceptible to the crApple Reality Distortion Field marketing propaganda. Have a look at picture galleries taken from a Nokia N82, N8 or 808 PureView and come back here when you have been sufficiently enlightened.

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shahid11235
By shahid11235 (Sep 15, 2012)

This article suits better on a mobile phone review site.

iPhone might have a good camera (compared to some P&S). But, to me, it is quite irrelevant to publish such an article on a serious camera review site.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Sep 15, 2012)

"quite irrelevant" ... indeed.
That sums it up quite succinctly. If this site continues down on such a path of incessantly trying to ram a disproportionate amount of social media refuse like instashite and farcebook, and endless crapple adverts down our throats, then IRRELEVANT is exactly what they will become.

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Royal PITA
By Royal PITA (Sep 15, 2012)

Considering camera phones are making big inroads into the compact camera market, if not making that market obsolete, and phone makers are becoming quite creative with their cameras. As an amateur photographer the quality of the camera device and app on my phone is quite important (the adage: the best camera is the one you have on you) and I'd far rather it gets evaluated by enthusiast photographers than mobile gamers...

Of course that's just me...

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Chekr
By Chekr (Sep 16, 2012)

Considering that this is a piece of camera tech that will be owned by more people around the world than any other, why shouldn't it be reviewed at DPReview? IMHO, although I will not buy this phone, it is a significant force in photography.

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pdqgp
By pdqgp (Sep 16, 2012)

I agree with Chekr. The iPhone is a device in hands of millions and is likely used more as a camera than most of the P&S cameras those same folks own.

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ageha
By ageha (Sep 15, 2012)

Actually, the photos in the gallery aren't too bad...

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shahid11235
By shahid11235 (Sep 15, 2012)

To me, they look better than many P&S cameras' photos. :)

But still, I don't get the point of publishing this article on this website.

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gsum
By gsum (Sep 15, 2012)

Apple the 'great innovators' that couldn't even dream up an original name for their company and have to rely on patents that should never have been granted to beat their far superior competition. Why is DPReview giving these clowns bandwidth?

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pumeco
By pumeco (Sep 15, 2012)

I hardly ever post here, but couldn't resist logging-in to agree with you (and others here). There are people dotted all over these previews whining their heads off for a review of the original Pentax Q. This is supposed to be a photography website, I want to know about cameras, not phones, and especially not phones made by Apple. Unlike the iPhone 5, the Pentax Q is a proper camera and genuinely is a revolution in the photographic industry. There is no review at all (only a preview) of the first ever Q series camera from Pentax, yet here we are having to put up with news about phones that appear to be marketed at retards. I look forward to a serious in-depth review of the Pentax Q, that is, if this site is going to to remain as my favourite photographic website and retain it's credibility. To not review the Pentax Q is unforgivable. It's the first of a brand new mount, an expanding breed of camera, it's not just another camera. It obviously needs reviewing.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (Sep 15, 2012)

There is nothing new with this crApple iFruitcake. The iFan-gheys would still buy it regardless. For true innovation just take a look at the Lumia 920 and PureView 808.

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pdqgp
By pdqgp (Sep 18, 2012)

SYMBIAN OS on a phone that you call innovative? Really?

The Lumia will prove that this isn't a race about hardware. The W8 OS nice but a bit late to the party and it's lack of apps is going to kill it. Good luck to Nokia once that happens.

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BrunoH
By BrunoH (Oct 4, 2012)

What are you smooking?

What lack of Apps?? Is 110.000 apps not enough?? How many do you need on your phone?

Real working maps
Free Music streaming
Best camera
NFC
Super touch
Nice colors!!
Free GPS with downloadable maps

the list goes on....

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Stoli89
By Stoli89 (Oct 11, 2012)

Full file access across multiple drives
USB On-The-Go
Bluetooth 4.0
Real and full multi-tasking
DLNA
HDMI output (including BiG Screen with Bluetooth remote control)
Panorama (for ages)
Std microUSB charging

It's not the OS that is lacking innovation. Quite the contrary. It was the UI that trailed the competition, but now with Belle FP2...this too is a moot point. What Symbian lacks are Apps...but when it comes to the top 100 most used apps...the platform has most of them...or a very competitive proxy. Total apps is around 70,000...still plenty in my book.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Sep 15, 2012)

I still have my old flip phone. I pay less then a hundred a year for prepaid minutes. Fapple can take their wares and shove 'em. Oh, and no thanks for the free ad you are giving them, not gonna read it.

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Craignos
By Craignos (Sep 14, 2012)

no, you all are boring, below here.
Why? Because your mind is stuck to DSLR. Yes, a DSLR can shoot better photos than an iPhone, but tomorrow, these DSLRs might not!
I am glad that DPreview investigates the technology behind an iPhone camera, because like others in the industry, Apple has proven that they can innovate and drive the technology past 2.5lbs in your bag!
So stop being grumpy, open your eyes and look at what your kids have shot with their phones, it's not ready for fine art, but it's getting there, and pouting it is denying where the world is going to.
Good job DPreview!

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Lupti
By Lupti (Sep 14, 2012)

"no, you all are boring, below here."

Well, then I prefer to be boring rather than praising every new gadget as "innovation"...even if the value of use is questionable.

"...a DSLR can shoot better photos than an iPhone, but tomorrow, these DSLRs might not!"

What tomorrow are you talking about? Year 2150? It is just a question of physical limitations that a DSLR is always better than a smartphone. Big sensor and lens vs. small sensor and flat lens.

"I am glad that DPreview investigates the technology behind an iPhone camera, because like others in the industry, Apple has proven that they can innovate and drive the technology past 2.5lbs in your bag!"

Well, surprise: My Canon S95 and a cellphone aren´t 2,5lbs. So for what do I need an Apple device? To feel cool? Nope.

And for the "iPhone art": I don´t consider snapshots of grinning party people for Facebook as real photography. And I´m sure I´m not the only one.

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pumeco
By pumeco (Sep 15, 2012)

In art, people boast they created art on their iPhone/Pod/Pad as if it's something the rest of us are supposed to be thankful for. In music, forums are flooded by idiots who think we're supposed to tap them on the back and be thankful when they claim they produced a song on their Apple device. Such is the mentality of the Apple user.

Real artists use traditional media, not iDevices. Real musicians use real instruments with physical controls, not iDevices. Real photographers use real cameras, not iDevices. The really amusing thing is that Apple users are so absorbed into the Apple thing, they have no idea how simple-minded they come across to those that will never buy an Apple product.

I don't think it's possible to look cool if you allow people to see you use an Apple product. I think the only people who think Apple are cool, are other Apple users. I think the rest of us, in general, are on our backs laughing at the sheer gullibility and stupidity of it all (I know I am).

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andyjayscott
By andyjayscott (Sep 22, 2012)

Real recording studios and musicians have used Apple products for decades and continue to do so, ably assisted these days with all kinds of useful, professional apps on iPads and iPhones. Real photographers, talented people who are being paid for their work, are also using iDevices for all kinds of things, including making art. Generally the "i" range of Apple devices are used as secondary units so musicians will have other hardware and photographers will naturally have more expensive cameras, none of which detract from the fact they also have iDevices plugged in and running. Just because a $500 paint brush is available to the painter doesn't preclude the use of a $1 eyeliner brush for certain things. The talented person will use whatever is needed or wanted. If an artist wants to create without the use of any Apple product whatsoever that, too, is valid.

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Sephirotic
By Sephirotic (Sep 14, 2012)

Is it even possible for such a tiny lens to resolve 8 megapixels of detail to the sensor? Yes i know this question is old and was asked when the 4s came out, but never read a response to it

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alfpang
By alfpang (Sep 14, 2012)

What I need to know is whether the supposedly improved low light performance actually pans out in real world use.

There aren't any samples, which worries me (surely they'd show it off if it were really an impressive buff over previous phones).

1 upvote
r121
By r121 (Sep 14, 2012)

The rounded corners are getting boring. Talking about photography review, how does a phone score in ergonomics?

1 upvote
zigi_S
By zigi_S (Sep 15, 2012)

Rounded corners are worth more than mobile tech that really inovative companies developed. Just ask an american kangaroo judge.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (Sep 14, 2012)

"Apple execs said that LTE is 'potentially faster than a wi-fi connection,' which may be true, depending on your provider. "

Which is generally BS, given that iPhone 5 supports 150Mbps 802.11n, and LTE only goes to 100Mbps (if you are right there on the cell tower).

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CharlesTokyo
By CharlesTokyo (Sep 14, 2012)

'depending on your provider' clearly means they are looking at the real speeds you get off the internet, not the hypothetical max you get from your WiFi. With the sorry state of broadband in the US Apple is probably right.

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kb2zuz
By kb2zuz (Sep 14, 2012)

Potentially... in very specific circumstances like if you're at a coffeeshop with a 802.11b connection which is 11mb/sec or an 802.11a or g connection which is 54mb/s

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (Sep 13, 2012)

"The iPhone 5’s camera is the same 8-megapixel, five-element lens with f/2.4 aperture"

Huh?

0 upvotes
brindamour
By brindamour (Sep 13, 2012)

It is still the same old 8MP/F2,4 sensor lens unit from Sony that is used in Sony (Ericsson) phones for years now. Don't know why this is worth an article here.

12 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 13, 2012)

I almost fell asleep just reading the title of this article! :-)

Now, if I really want to take pictures with a cell phone, I'll just buy a Nokia or Samsung or even Ericsson camera phone, thank you very much. Those are so much better overall, it's not even funny.

3 upvotes
ageha
By ageha (Sep 15, 2012)

Of course it is. No worries, Sony phones got already a newer one.

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Sep 15, 2012)

dpreview stated that it wouldn't be worth to use cheap advertising tactics for short gain and loose credibility on long term. Hmm.....

2 upvotes
jomppeboy
By jomppeboy (Sep 13, 2012)

Boring

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Lupti
By Lupti (Sep 13, 2012)

Hmm...Am I the only one who is concerned about the fact that this site gives smartphones with cameras too much room? At first the Nokia Lumia 808, ok, maybe it was a bit understandable because it has 41MP sensor, but now Iphone 5? The site name is "digital photographry review", not "smartphone review". And please don´t tell me what a nice "always-have-with-me"-camera a smartphone is, I don´t have a smartphone and don´t want one for a lot of reasons, ok? -.-

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Sep 13, 2012)

I couldn't agree with you more. Yes people always have their phone with them--so what? Those are everyday snap-shooters, I have no problem with them, but websites about fine cuisine cooking don't pander to the working moms using Stouffer's "Dinner in a Bag" ready-mades. Where I come from, if you aspire to be a photographer, you get a REAL camera & you learn about lighting, f-stops, rule of thirds, etc, and have at it using a camera that's commensurate with such aspirations. It doesn't have to be a Nikon D800 or Canon 5D III, heck a Panasonic GF3 or Olympus E-PM1 will do (the latter two of which are very small, especially pared with a 20mm 1.7) and any of them, to varying degrees, will blow any smartphone camera away.

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brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Sep 14, 2012)

I thought like you, and you're technically right. However, N8 and Nokia 808 are exceptions in this field. Street Photography became a true reality to smartphones after Nokia launched these products. With a Pana LX-series sensor size, these cameras are fast enough to make spontaneous photography in the streets without taking so much attention by the people walking around. Although a LX3 is technically better than a N8, you won't always carry it around or won't prepare it faster to shoot than a pocket smartphone.

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Lupti
By Lupti (Sep 14, 2012)

brdeveloper, yes, maybe they changed street photography(which I´m not into), but my main problem with N8 and 808 is, that if I want the camera, I have to buy the phone which I don´t want. Same thing with the iPhone, why should I care about it if I don´t want the phone part of this device?
If I want a device for always having with me and capable of taking usable photos I could also take a slim P & S with me. E.G. I have a Sony TX9 which takes good pics and movies, has IS, is small also thanks to it´s internal lens and could easily be mistaken with a smartphone. I think I´m not the only one who doesn´t need a smartphone despite all the fuzz about having a jack of all trades device with me for checking Facebook(don´t have it), browsing the net(too expensive and awkward), playing games(for that I have a real computer) and - of course - taking photos and videos.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Sep 14, 2012)

You're so right, Lupti! Yet I'm still trying to figure out why you didn't get a number of dismissive/insultuous replies. That's what smartphone fanboys usually do with comments like yours...
And you still need a real camera to make good street pictures.

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anthony mazzeri
By anthony mazzeri (Sep 14, 2012)

The site name is "digital photographry review", not "smartphone review".

Sometimes I wonder if it's not really "grumpy old men".

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Lupti
By Lupti (Sep 14, 2012)

LOL, you´re wrong. I´m not a "grumpy old man", I´m in an age group they permanently try to attract for their technical gadgets, but without success. My cellphone was 20 €, I just use it for what is was originally designed for, and if I lose it or accidently drop it on the ground, I don´t have lost or smashed 700 € or what these devices cost...and despite all the praise their camera performance is still ways behind this of P&S.
There are still people that consider photography as serious activity, not just snapping something with a smartphone.

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pdqgp
By pdqgp (Sep 18, 2012)

I don't think when a market that covers as many people as do all the top smart phones out there offers them all a camera in hand that DPR should dismiss it.

Do you really think all those smart camera phone users should be ignored or have their products ignored? Let's just say that would be a very dumb move by any site that covers cameras or photography.

Those same smart phone owners that you are so quick to dismiss as "just snapping pictures" likely are more prolific in photography than those here who don't own a smartphone but carry a camera everywhere.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Sep 13, 2012)

The camera is not smaller (as in smaller sensor), the camera is thinner (as in pancake lens).

I was wishing for a better camera but since SONY did not announce the new models until a month (or two) ago, there is little chance of vestly improved camera.

I am getting the 5 but I am interested to see how 920 plays out. The camera sounds better on paper but the phone is just ok, not spectacular. Win8 is a big unknown.

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alexpaynter
By alexpaynter (Sep 13, 2012)

Apple are patting themselves on the back for all this new technology and yet they have not been able to invent the lens cap yet. No camera without protection for the lens is serious.

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Bokeh_freak
By Bokeh_freak (Sep 13, 2012)

The iphone 5 features a sapphire crystal lens cover.

6 upvotes
xtoph
By xtoph (Sep 14, 2012)

I guess that means my leica m6 isnt a serious camera, as i have never used a lens cap with it.

What a ridiculous comment.

5 upvotes
alexpaynter
By alexpaynter (Sep 13, 2012)

Apparently it is an accomplishment to make something small. Anybody can make something big. Why have a tablet then. Sometimes it is a choice to make something larger. I personally prefer a screen that is a little larger.

It is hard to see a difference between the 4S and 5 in photo quality. My feeling is that the Lumia 920 will be a superior camera especially in low light.

3 upvotes
Bokeh_freak
By Bokeh_freak (Sep 13, 2012)

I think you missed the part where the screen size increased from 3.5" to 4". It is bigger where it matters and thinner and lighter where it matters.

5 upvotes
LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (Sep 13, 2012)

Just watched a video where Phil Schiller guy bragged about their new product and i dont know ... is it kind of sad that the main thing seems to be that "we made the thinest smartphone ever" and wow, its 18% thinner. I mean that is something. ... or is it?

4 upvotes
Bokeh_freak
By Bokeh_freak (Sep 13, 2012)

He doesn't need to brag. Iphone 5 is expected outsell any smartphone ever sold.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Sep 13, 2012)

"He doesn't need to brag. Iphone 5 is expected outsell any smartphone ever sold."

...which doesn't mean it's technically the best (because it isn't, particularly not camera-wise), "just" that it has an OS meant for Average Joes and a great ecosystem (AppStore).

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Sephirotic
By Sephirotic (Sep 14, 2012)

That is lie. There is about 2 or 3 phones out there that are thinnest. So what?

5 upvotes
lensberg
By lensberg (Sep 13, 2012)

Way too much noise reduction in the photos... even in broad daylight... fine detail rendered more like a pastel effect...

Overall not a bad effort at all... guess it puts it on par with the Samsung Galaxy S3... but just not the quantum leap in IQ i was hoping for...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Sep 13, 2012)

Yup, the iPhone 4/4S are also (in)famous for their applying way too much NR even at base ISO.

For me, it's also a disappointment. After the announcement of the 808 more than half a year ago, I thought Apple had enough time to seriously improve the camera. Nope - they, it seems, still stick with the rather weak sensor in the 4S.

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DamenS
By DamenS (Sep 13, 2012)

Pretty sure the sensor is different between the iPhone 4s and iPhone 5 even if the megapixel count is the same.

PS - the LENS is 8 megapixel ? Surely there's no such thing as an "8 megapixel, five element lens with f2.4 aperture" ??

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_sem_
By _sem_ (Sep 13, 2012)

Apple copying oversized tablet phone form from Samsung and HTC :) :) :)
Fashion will have to adapt with bigger pockets ;)

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thinkfat
By thinkfat (Sep 13, 2012)

Fashion invented the baggy pants way ahead of the iphone 5...

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Sasparilla
By Sasparilla (Sep 13, 2012)

They kept it the same width and only made it a little taller, you can still easily do everything with one hand (which is their "test), definitely not following Samsung and HTC.

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alexpaynter
By alexpaynter (Sep 13, 2012)

By moving from 3:2 to 16:9 I would say that they are following most Android phones. Except that they have more pixels. I would say the Lumia 920 and Optimus G are now the exceptions.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Sep 13, 2012)

"By moving from 3:2 to 16:9 I would say that they are following most Android phones. Except that they have more pixels. I would say the Lumia 920 and Optimus G are now the exceptions."

The 920 is also 720p - as are most Android phones. (Of course, it's true LCD and not PenTile, unlike in the Note or S3).

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Podz
By Podz (Sep 14, 2012)

"The 920 is also 720p"
1280 x 768 ;)

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ms18
By ms18 (Sep 13, 2012)

I like samsung glaxy iii for it is good battery life and Android (Open)

4 upvotes
mngphotog
By mngphotog (Sep 13, 2012)

smart phone cameras suck, sensor is to small, we all know that. thats it

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joe6pack
By joe6pack (Sep 13, 2012)

Smartphone cameras are getting close to wiping out sub-$150 compact P&S market. The only thing that P&S still have an edge is their optical zooms.

5 upvotes
Bokeh_freak
By Bokeh_freak (Sep 13, 2012)

The best camera is the one you have with you.

5 upvotes
alfpang
By alfpang (Sep 13, 2012)

So much sharpening in the gallery images.... and where are the low light images?

(looks like I'll stick to my 4S and not sell/upgrade for the first time in 4 years)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Sep 13, 2012)

"So much sharpening in the gallery images.... and where are the low light images?"

Apple doesn't seem to have bothered with improving the camera...

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historianx
By historianx (Sep 13, 2012)

hmm looks like a Samsung to me... :P

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chrisnfolsom
By chrisnfolsom (Sep 13, 2012)

Beyond all the complaints and comparisons this phone - and it's children - are important and have pushed all the others (an of course are trying legally to limit others). I jailbreak my iphone4 to allow for more flexibility and development. Nothing is ever perfect and no one on this blog is going to be in their target demographic - they have to make millions of units...

I do wish they would allow more control of the camera so a flash sync and additional lenses could be used properly as the 8mp is handy.

I must also say that they need a camera kill feature so artists and other presentations can shut off the phone function so we can watch a show without trying to peek around the freaking cameras held up - what a waste of time and effort.

Cheers to Apple and all the competitors and to us all for being able to select this or the other tools available today that just 10 years ago would have been magic.

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