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Pentax Ricoh announces Pentax K-5 II DSLR and K-5 IIs with no low-pass filter

By dpreview staff on Sep 10, 2012 at 22:00 GMT

Photokina 2012: Pentax Ricoh has announced its latest flagship DSLRs - the K-5 II and K-5IIs. The 's' version, which costs $100 more, comes without an anti-aliasing filter, to offer higher resolution at the risk of more prominent moiré interference patterns. Both cameras feature 16MP sensors and the weather-sealed magnesium alloy build of the original K-5.

The biggest difference is the latest, SAFOX X, autofocus sensor. This is designed to work in lower light than any of its rivals (down to -3EV) it will also provide greater accuracy when working with F2.8 and fast lenses. The SAFOX X also features more sophisticated focus tracking, to keep focus when the subject moves off the original focus point. The K-5 II and IIs also gain rear LCD panels with no air gap between the panel and the protective glass, reducing internal reflections and improving visibility in bright light.

The K-5 II will be available from October at a cost of around $1350/€1099 with 18-55mm WR kit zoom. The K-5 IIs will be available, body-only for around $1300/€1249 - a $100/€250 premium over the standard version.

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Press Release:

PENTAX Introduces New K-5 II & K-5 IIs DSLR Cameras

Versatile cameras feature newly developed AF sensor for stellar performance in low-light conditions, as well as high quality CMOS sensor, LCD monitor

Denver, CO (September 10, 2012) – PENTAX RICOH IMAGING AMERICAS CORPORATION today announced the introduction of its PENTAX K-5 II and K-5 IIs flagship digital SLR cameras, designed to advance the company’s well-received K-5 camera, which launched in October 2010. These new dustproof, weather-resistant and cold-resistant cameras include a newly developed SAFOX X AF sensor that delivers the broadest autofocusing EV range (-3 EV to +18 EV) in its class. In addition, the PENTAX K-5 IIs is offered without an anti-aliasing filter, making it the perfect solution for photographers who practice commercial and studio photography where camera settings, lens selection, lighting, and other shooting conditions are controlled. 

The new PENTAX K-5 II / K-5 IIs offer a compact, solid body that delivers high quality image reproduction, especially when working in low light conditions. The camera’s new, highly sensitive AF sensor enables photographers to work with a luminous flux based on F2.8 levels in addition to F5.6, which increases the AF accuracy when using fast lenses. The AF sensor also includes an upgraded AF algorithm as well as the Select-Area Expansion feature, which automatically tracks the subject when it deviates from a pre-assigned selection point, by assessing data from neighboring sensors.

“The new K-5 II and K-5 IIs deliver an extensive range of photographic possibilities for the resolution-conscious photographer in all of us. As a successor to our popular K-5 camera, these new models offer upgraded features designed to produce superb image quality, including the new AF sensor which is especially useful for photographers working in low light conditions,” said John Carlson, Sr. Manager of Sales and Marketing, PENTAX.

Major features include:

High resolution CMOS sensor for true-to-life images with minimal noise
With its large sensor measuring 23.7mm by 15.7mm with approximately 16.28 effective megapixels, the K-5 II’s latest-generation CMOS image sensor ensures high-speed image data readout. By coupling the sensor with the PRIME (PENTAX Real Image Engine) II imaging engine, the K-5 II delivers super high resolution, rich gradation digital images free of digital noise over a wide sensitivity range – from ISO 100 to ISO 12800 in the standard setting, or from ISO 80 to ISO 51200 when expanded via a custom function.

High quality LCD monitor with outstanding visibility outdoors
The K-5 II includes a 3.0 inch, wide-view, air-gap-free LCD display with approximately 921,000 dots for excellent visibility when outdoors. Situated between the front glass panel (which is coated with an anti-glare film) and the LCD screen is a unique resin layer that alleviates the reflection and dispersion of light to effectively prevent ghost images and maintain image brightness. The LCD cover is also made of tempered glass to keep it free of scratches and abrasions.

Anti-aliasing filter-free feature of the K-5 IIs
The K-5 IIs is offered without an anti-aliasing filter, which is commonly found in many DSLRs to smooth computer generated imagery by decreasing high frequencies and distortion, but adversely reduces detail resolution. Without this filter, the K-5 IIs creates deeply rich, detailed imagery at supreme resolution levels.

Compact, solid body with dustproof, weather-resistant construction
The K-5 II’s exterior casing is made of sturdy and lightweight magnesium alloy, while its chassis is made of highly rigid stainless steel. With 77 special seals in its body, the camera offers a dustproof, weather-resistant and cold-resistant construction, assuring reliable operation at temperatures as low as 14°F (-10°C). It also features a dependable shutter unit for a top shutter speed of 1/8000 per second, and the ability to withstand as many as 100,000 shutter releases.

PENTAX-original SR mechanism
The camera features the PENTAX-developed SR (Shake Reduction) mechanism, which compensates for the adverse effects of camera shake by approximately three shutter steps for blur-free images. The SR mechanism works with a variety of PENTAX interchangeable lenses – even those designed for film-format cameras. Thanks to its flexible design, which shifts the image sensor unit in all directions within the image place, the K-5 II offers several useful features to assist the photographer during shooting, such as auto level compensation and image composition fine-adjustment functions.

Bright, clear optical viewfinder with a nearly 100-percent field of view
The K-5 II features a glass pentaprism finder with a 100% field of view and approximately 0.92-times magnification (with a 50mm F1.4 lens at infinity) for an exceptional view of the entire image field and improved accuracy while photographing. The camera is also equipped with the Natural-Bright-Matte III focusing screen to facilitate manual-focus operation.

High-speed, continuous shooting to capture up to seven images in one second
The K-5 II’s high-speed continuous shooting mode allows photographers to record as many as 30 images (in the JPEG format) in a single sequence at a maximum speed of approximately seven images per second. This is ideal when shooting fast-moving subjects such as athletes and wildlife – all with ease and precision.

Innovative image processing functions
A custom image function allows users to easily select the desired finishing touch for a particular image to help express their creativity. This function provides a choice of nine distinctive custom image modes, such as Bleach Bypass, which creates a solemn visual effect used in motion pictures, and Cross Process, which produces eye-catching images with unique, dramatic colors. The K-5 II also offers 18 built-in digital filters, including sketch and posterization, to add distinctive visual effects to images without the need for software-aided computer re-touching.

Additional features of the PENTAX K-5 II / K-5 IIs include:

  • Electronic Level function, with a vertical level scale
  • Automatic compensation of distortion and lateral chromatic aberration (available only with DA,D FA and FA Limited series lenses)
  • CTE mode, to automatically adjust the white balance to emphasize the dominant colors of a specific scene
  • DR II (Dust Removal II) mechanism, to effectively shake dust off the CMOS image sensor using ultrasonic vibration
  • PENTAX-original Hyper Control system, to swiftly and accurately respond to the photographer’s creative intentions
  • Dynamic range expansion function, to compensate for both whitewashed (overexposed) highlight area and blackout (underexposed) shadow area
  • RAW data retrieve function to save the original RAW data of a just-recorded JPEG format image
  • RAW/Fx button, for single-action switching of image file format, as well as for assignment and instant recall of a specific function
  • A choice of three grid patterns while in Live View mode, including “Golden Section”
  • Long battery life, for recording of approximately 980 images with a full recharge

Pricing and Availability
The new PENTAX K-5 II will be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in October 2012 with a suggested retail price of $1,199.95 for body only, $1,349.95 for the K-5 II kit including the DA 18-55mm WR zoom lens and $1,549.95 for the K-5 II kit including the DA 18-135mm WR zoom lens. The K-5 IIs will also be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in October with a suggested retail price of $1,299.95 for body only.

Pentax K-5 II and K-5 IIs specifications

Price
MSRPBody Only:$1,299.95
Body type
Body typeMid-size SLR
Body materialLightweight magnesium alloy body, Stainless steel chassis
Sensor
Max resolution4928 x 3264
Other resolutions3936 x 2624, 3072 x 2048, 1728 x 1152
Image ratio w:h3:2
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.7 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorPrime II
Color spacesRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter arrayPrimary Color Filter
Image
ISOAuto, 100 to 12800, in 1, 1/2, 1/3 EV steps (80 to 51200 Extended)
White balance presets9
Custom white balanceYes (3)
Image stabilizationSensor-shift
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsGood, Better, Best, Premium
File format
  • RAW 14 bits (PEF, DNG)
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3)
  • DCF 2.0
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points11
Lens mountPentax KAF2
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots921,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT LCD monitor
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeOptical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification0.92×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Green
  • Program (P)
  • Sensitivity-Priority (Sv)
  • Shutter-Priority (Tv)
  • Aperture-Priority (Av)
  • Shutter and Aperture Priority (TAv)
  • Metered Manual (M)
  • Bulb
  • X
  • User
  • Video
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range13.00 m (at ISO 100)
External flashYes (Hot-shoe, Wireless)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Slow sync, High speed, Rear curtain and Wireless
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Self-timer (2 or 12 sec)
  • Continuous shooting (Hi, Lo)
  • Remote control (0, 3 sec or continuous)
  • Super-Impose (up to 9 pictures)
  • Interval up to 999 pictures
  • Exposure bracketing (2, 3 or 5 frames, also available with self-timer and remote control)
  • Mirror lock-up (w/ or w/o remote control)
Continuous drive7 fps
Self-timerYes ( 2 or 12 seconds)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (2, 3, 5 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (25 fps), 1280 x 720 (25, 30 fps), 640 x 480 (25, 30 fps)
FormatMotion JPEG
MicrophoneMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (mini)
Remote controlYes (optional, wired or wireless)
Physical
Environmentally sealedYes (Weather and dust resistant)
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion D-LI90P rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)980
Weight (inc. batteries)760 g (1.68 lb / 26.81 oz)
Dimensions131 x 97 x 73 mm (5.16 x 3.82 x 2.87)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes (up to 999 pictures)
GPSOptional
GPS notesO-GPS1

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Comments

Total comments: 276
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RichardRE
By RichardRE (Oct 12, 2012)

Well, after reading all the posted comments, I am looking forward to upgrading from my Pany LX3 and Pentax MX to the new K5IIs. The MX still takes great pics with the Pentax 40-80 and the Soligor 80-200. And I read that these lenses will also work with the K5II. Although, I am liking the 18-135 to replace them. The Nikon D600 is out of my reach and the glass is really expensive that you would have to put on that camera. All in all, I have always been satisified withy my MX and the pics taken throughout the years; but it seems that I should now 'keep up with the times'.

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Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (Sep 22, 2012)

Tried out both the K-5 II and its 's'-sister as well as the K-30 at the Pentax/Ricoh stand at Photokina today. Subjectively, I was quite impressed by the responsiveness of the SAFOX X AF module - unsurprisingly, it's lightyears away from my K-7's AF, and I would be surprised indeed if it weren't a welcome improvement for shooting sports, action, and wildlife. Whether the claims about its low-light performance are true, I cannot tell. The biggest revelation, however, came when I set both the II and the IIs to ISO 3200 and took some random shots of the Pentax personnel. While I had no chance to pixel-peep at a monitor, I couldn't shake the feeling that resolution-wise the IIs allowed for considerably more zooming-in on the back LCD than the regular K-5 II. And where were the tons of noise I'm used to from my K-7? Wow. And the K-30? Would sure be nice to have as a second body, but the K-5 II/IIs feel positively more solid and custom-built for my hand. Can't wait to see the formal reviews.

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znieh
By znieh (Sep 18, 2012)

curious to learn if the little update from K-5 to K-5 II(s) fixes the front focus issue

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Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (Sep 16, 2012)

Well, maybe I was a bit harsh in the absense of a more "visionary" K-5 successor. One thing that might eventually persuade me to upgrade (from my time-honoured K-7) to one of the K-5 II variants is ... the price. From what I read it would seem that Pentax will be asking considerably less for either of the two sisters than they did for the K-5 at launch. For the premium over the K-30 you will get a way more solid, no-nonsense body and (hopefully) a slightly improved AF. Much will depend on what reviews will tell us about IQ, and how it compares to the K-30/K-5. Meanwhile, I shall get my K-7 out and shoot some more - which is, after all, what photography is ultimately about, no?

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Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (Sep 16, 2012)

I've been shooting a K-7 since 2009, and while the K-5 II/IIs would sure be markedly superior in virtually any aspect except body quality, I fail to see how such a modest update can be marketed as their new APS-C "flagship". How can this be top-of-the-line if they left the sensor and their Prime processor unchanged, and when their own mid-range K-30 offers so much improved IQ and better video than its predecessor the K-r? Perhaps it is all due to the difficult transition since the buy-up by Ricoh, but I honestly hope Pentax will step up their game soon and come up with something more sustainable in the APS-C department. At the moment, you cannot even be sure if it's a good idea to focus on investing in new DA glass instead of a camera upgrade.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (Sep 13, 2012)

The K-5II is a nice incremental upgrade of a wonderful picture taking machine. As long as Pentax sticks to improving its current APS-C cameras and that marvelous 645D and they don't get suckered into wasting resources on doing a 35mm full frame model just to have it shot down by the big 2, like what's going to happen to Sony's A99/RX1, then they'll be alright. Stay the course Pentax. You're on the right track.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 14, 2012)

Donnie you a very optimistic fellow. I shoot wildlife with the k-5's and with a 7D. Always in Hi continuous shutter. The K-5's have fallen apart. Shutter shot, buttons falling off. After 1.5 years unusable. That is not to mention they were useless for BIF and low light shooting. My 7D had never hiccuped. So inferior parts in the k-5 inferior AF in the k-5. Makes a very poor pro-summer camera. For the same price when I bought the 7D? 1500 dollars.
So your wonderful picture taking machine is a bit over stated in this area of photography. To put it mildly it is a POS. I have to have one for my big glass. But it is still the poorest designed and poorest parts ( cheapest for sure ) camera for wildlife I have ever seen period.
If the K-5ll is better I will be very surprised.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (Sep 14, 2012)

@garyknrd
Your experience with the Pentax K-5 would seem to validate my original statement that the company needs to press forward with improvements to their current offerings rather than make any attempt to try and match the market leaders product for product.

The K-5 is a good general use camera, even if not up to your expectations when used to shoot wildlife. Feedback from end users is how the company learns about their product's shortcomings. Then it's up to them to address those issues in future designs if they are seriously trying to build loyalty to their brand. Lacking the resources available to the industry giants, it may take Pentax more time to make its product into a suitable tool for every possible user type.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 15, 2012)

+1

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Rzewuski
By Rzewuski (Sep 20, 2012)

@garyknrd,
I am not sure that you used latest (1.13) K-5 firmware.

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DPNick
By DPNick (Sep 13, 2012)

Last year I bought a K-5 and a Nex-5N, both of which apparently have the same sensor. It's spectral response is strange, and I could not get accurate color out of either camera (after much experimentation, red or blue, take your pick, but not both). I sold the Nex, bought a Nex-7 as soon as it came out, and it has wonderful color. I hoped Pentax would either do a FF or update the K-5 with the 24MP Sony sensor, but they've done neither. Too bad, because I like the K-5 a lot but haven't used it since I got the Nex-7.

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WordsOfFarewell
By WordsOfFarewell (Sep 13, 2012)

I must say that I am disappointed. With Nikon offering the D800; D600 and Sony with the SLT99 I think that Pentax will fall behind not offering anything in the FF sector. For the trend seems to be that FF will become cheaper and more affordable and classic APSC will die out.

But we don't even get a "new" toy to beginn with. For me owning a K5, which was the state of the art when it was released - at least in the Crop factor world - it just doesn't make sense to buy it with only little incremental innovations. I hope that Pentax still has an ace up their sleeve for Photokina.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 13, 2012)

The A99, D800, and D600 are all full frame and all cost a good bit more than a K5.

The Nikons are bulkier and heavier.

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WordsOfFarewell
By WordsOfFarewell (Sep 18, 2012)

Indeed they are; the point I was trying to make is that I'll have to switch to Nikon or Canon if I want something better than 16MP K5 because it's the best thing that Pentax offers other than the MF 645D which I can't afford at all.

So I'd really expected Pentax to release an enthusiast FF for medium prices. Something along the lines of the D600 or the 6D - basically a approx. 32MP K3 -or something similar. And I am a little disappointed they came up with the K5-II which isn't really your next big thing.

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Barb Matheson
By Barb Matheson (Sep 13, 2012)

OK you learned Pentaxians, I welcome some advice. I have a K10D and am ready to upgrade. I am really looking forward to a better AF and would love a higher ISO than 1600.
I was interested in the K30, but do you think the K-5 11 is worth the extra cash? I can't find much comparison to the K10!
Video is not a big deal for me.
Thanking you in anticipation.

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brujo74
By brujo74 (Sep 13, 2012)

Hi, Barb! I'd say it's time for you to upgrade. K5 is a true gem, if you want to go on with Pentax, and K5II can only be better. You'll get yourself a true HI-ISO performer and some extra pixels. I wouldn't look for K30, the price gap between them is really no big deal. As a K5 owner, i'm glad you're not so interested in video: videos taken with K5 looks great, but as a downside you get a 1.2GB file for 2 minutes of fullHD footage.

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Kaelis
By Kaelis (Sep 13, 2012)

Hi Barb,

I moved from the K20D to the K5 9 months ago, it is a way better camera, depending on your needs.

The AF is way better, very precise and fast, but still beyond Canikon for sports.

ISO's are fantastic, up to 6 400 with great quality, above it's a little more difficult, but fore Web publication it's still ok.

The viewfinder is 100% too, so better than 95% on K10D, and the screen is way better too.

The K30 is basically like the K5, but you can find the K5 at the same price now, so the question is K5 or K5ii ?
If you really need a strong AF, wait for the new one, otherwise the first K5 is a real bargain now, i wouldn't consider the K30 because their prices are nearly the same, and the K5 still have the avantage on the K30.

I hope it will help you.

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Barb Matheson
By Barb Matheson (Sep 14, 2012)

Thankyou for your considered replies brujo74 and Kaelis. I have a few things to consider still so am grateful for your input.
Happy creating!

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Kfrog
By Kfrog (Sep 15, 2012)

I'm in the same boat Barb. I too have a K10D and I ame finally able to upgrade to a K-5 or K-5 II. Good information offered here. Currently the K-5 can be had for a bargin. But for a bit more is the K-5 II worth it? At first I thought not but now I hear autofocus is better and so is low light performance. How much better? Who knows but for a few dollars (or pounds) more it may be worth it.

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tigrebleu
By tigrebleu (Sep 18, 2012)

Had both a K10D and a K-7 (which is similar to the K-5, except for the sensor and IQ). The K-7 has MUCH better ergonomics over the K10D, is smaller and has better AF (although still not great).

The biggest differences between the K-30 and K-5 II is the body built and the improved AF. If you shoot sports/action and/or need a very sturdy camera, go for the K-5 II. If you don't, save some money by going to for the K-30, and buy lenses with the extra cash.

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SheikYerbouti
By SheikYerbouti (Sep 12, 2012)

A welcome upgrade of an already excellent camera. Well done Pentax! While some of the firmware improvements could have been (and should be!) made available for the existing K-5 model, the new AF sensor and the option to forgo the anti-aliasing filter certainly merit the introduction of a Mark II model. I have always found the combination of K-5's size, its excellent handling and its utilitarian good looks without par in this class of camera and I'm glad the design gets another lease of life with the Mark II. I do hope Pentax have the good sense to stick with these design principles when they will eventually replace the K-5 line with a new model. But I am not optimistic about this as the recent introduction of cheesy and toyish looking cameras sporting odd shapes and baroque decorations (K-30) hint in another direction.

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 12, 2012)

Thanks for the release, Pentax, but, well, it was a good thing they released their news first. Because every other player will now eclipse theirs...

Am a Pentax user but Sony's releases this year are just groundbreaking.

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kff
By kff (Sep 12, 2012)

well done - K-5 IIs, but where are wi-fi remote control/viewfinder and ethernet via HDMI, Radio P-TTL, GPS etc. ?

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Joe Bowers
By Joe Bowers (Sep 12, 2012)

I love Pentax, but YAWN. I was expecting something exciting from them for Photokina, like a full frame or at least a 24mp APS-C. Really Pentax, a slight redesign of last year's model? So disappointed.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 12, 2012)

Thank you kindly, Pentax.

We here in North America and elsewhere are so very happy about a camera that can shoot video only at 25fps in Full-HD. Particularly since we use just about any frame rate here in North America, EXCEPT for 25fps, ha-ha-ha-ha.

Also glad to know that this late 2012 issue camera can also record VGA resolution video -- that is so "with it," really it is.

Seriously, what were these guys thinking, I wonder?

"Movie (resolution/FPS): 1920x1080p25, 1280x720p30/25, 640x480p30/25"

http://www.pentaximaging.com/dslr/K-5_II#!product-specs

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CyberManiaK
By CyberManiaK (Sep 12, 2012)

Honestly I was hoping they will at least use the K-30 video codec !! I don't get it either.. The K-30 which is a lower spec camera has better video with out a mic input. And the K-5,K-5II,K-5IIs which is a higher spec camera has the worst video with external mic input !! Is this a joke ??

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

Yes, thank Pentax for not stupidly increasing the MP count of the sensor.

Good, Pentax has worked on the AF of an already very very good still camera.

Get a mirrorless system if you must have still and video in the same camera. The Samsung NX20 is very good. And you get the added benefit of a few good Samsung NX lenses. Or pick a Sony Nex camera for the video capabilities of the bodies. Or an Olympus or Panasonic mirrorless.

Just not a a DSLR.

And no the K30 doesn't do good video.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 12, 2012)

"The K-30 which is a lower spec camera has better video with out a mic input. And the K-5,K-5II,K-5IIs which is a higher spec camera has the worst video with external mic input."

K-30 may not be the best thing out there for video, but based on what the K-5 II's specs state, it might have a better video overall than what the K-5 II promises.

I wonder if anyone here knows, how does the K-30's video differ from the K-01's video? Considering that the K-01 is cheaper and yet has an external 3.5mm microphone input jack which most video shooter prefer for connecting ext. mikes and XLR adapters/mixers.

Also, will the K-01 (and K-30) output an "active" video signal via the HDMI port while the camera is taking stills and/or recording video internally? Some say that the K-01 and K-30 do this, some say they do not, but since I have neither, I haven't a clue.

I think many of the Sony DSLT and NEX cameras do this while recording (active video outputted via HDMI to external monitors). Thanks!

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Gary Dean Mercer Clark
By Gary Dean Mercer Clark (Sep 12, 2012)

FAIL? No way. Pentax improves the already outstanding K5. Low light focusing improvement is a big plus. Congratulations.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Sep 12, 2012)

Evolutionary, my dear Watson. That's OK. I think it is more important for Pentax to come in now with an entry-level DSLR to bring more folks into the system. Have 3 good models existing at once. And it wouldn't hurt for being known as having as the best quality/price lenses.

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jsis
By jsis (Sep 11, 2012)

Who cares about Pentax, we know that Nikon and Canon produces the best photographic tools in the world. They are tested and used by the pros, which is why they are so great.

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steelski
By steelski (Sep 11, 2012)

I am not sure if you are being serious. Are you silly or just misinformed?

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bossa
By bossa (Sep 11, 2012)

How could 'he' know? I have a D800E and a K-5 and the image quality is pretty much identical. So much for Pentax being sub par.

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raincoat
By raincoat (Sep 11, 2012)

Don't feed the troll

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jsis
By jsis (Sep 12, 2012)

obviously, it was a serious comment for this site....

... I just want to be blunt at what others are saying, without the smoke and mirrors.

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Kfrog
By Kfrog (Sep 15, 2012)

Who cares about Pentax? I'll tell you. Pentax users care about Pentax. Sure there are fewer of us out there then C, N and S but we're still here. We still take photos and enjoy our equipment. Can we get good photos with Pentax? We sure can. In the hands of skilled professionals Pentax can deliver some truly excellent photos as well as anyone else. It's not just about the equipment.

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ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

European price 1000 and 1250 euro....

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Villamarcel
By Villamarcel (Sep 11, 2012)

I really apprecaite the constitency of Pentax with this model.
It reminds me a german company named LEICA even if the products and the market strategy is not the same. I have the impression that they take care of their customers.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

As a Pentax user, I can't say I agree that they take care of customers. The recent dramatic lens price increases of the likes that I've never seen since I started photography are an example of a blatant disregard for their customers. I have the impression that they are trying to balance their books on the back of their US customers. And I just don't believe you can charge full-rame prices for APS-C lenses, but I guess they have other ideas.

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bossa
By bossa (Sep 11, 2012)

You can't be serious. "On the backs of their US customers"? Australians have been paying these 'new' prices for as long as I can remember. My FA31 cost $1550 as did my DA*50-135. Check out a few online stores like Ted's Cameras (in Australia) and SEE what the prices have been all along over here. IMO, you guys have had a 1/2 price sale for too long.

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pundit
By pundit (Sep 11, 2012)

marike6 "balance their books on the back of their US customers"
Sorry marike6 you have it totally about face.

bossa - marike6 is being serious because he has not known anything else until recently. It has been the rest of the world that has been subsidising US prices for decades.

marike6 - Why is it that so many people on these forums choose to buy camera gear from the US? Because in the past it has been usually half the price to buy from the US compared to purchasing gear in their own countries. It is the rest of the world that has been subsiding US consumers.

The fact that the US dollar was the world's reserve currency has always given US consumers an advantage over the rest of the world's consumers. Now the US dollar is losing value due to unsustainable debt and money printing US consumer prices will continue to increase even more. The party is over marike6 you had better get use to it!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 11, 2012)

Cameras and lenses will continue to be CHEAPEST in the USA, so kindly take your America-bashing someplace else, pundit.

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2npd
By 2npd (Sep 11, 2012)

I have a feeling that this limited update is based on lack of resources more than a desire for consistency. But I'm glad that they've maintained the well considered body design of the K-5....i suppose no change is better than change for the worse. The rest of Pentax's lineup looks pretty silly in comparison to the K-5.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 12, 2012)

LOL, it is because of the insane tax charged by the foreign country's. I live abroad most of the year and only buy when back in america. The tax is insane out of the US. If I buy from the US then ship it to another country which I have done. The tax here is additional 20-30%. If the US levied the same tax, it would be the same price in the US.

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Villamarcel
By Villamarcel (Sep 12, 2012)

Concerning prices and comments about it following my comment :
You can ask LEICA customers about price policy of LEICA. They pay the price and they have consitent product stable in their lineup. LEICA customers are OK with that, they pay the products.
The point is having a smart camera with goods lens sustainable in the time. And I think it is a little bit the position of he K7 K5 design and it is for sure the position of the limited lens range.
If you find cheaper in another brand don't hesitate, it is for you !

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Jeff Charles
By Jeff Charles (Sep 20, 2012)

Do US retailers pay lower wholesale prices for Pentax cameras and lenses? I don't know, but I doubt it.

The new retail prices are artificial. B&H could sell Pentax stuff at much lower prices and still make a profit. Huge market. Efficient operation.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 11, 2012)

Hmmm.... great pricing for both models, wow!!

They kept down the pixel count to 16MP instead of 24MP, that is good news indeed.

Fixed LCD screen of average 921K resolution -- not so good.

Video features -- horrible. Single frame rate only in Full-HD, mono audio, arcane M-JPEG codec, not even a separate START/STOP button for video.

Preliminary Summary on Pentax K-5 II: looks like en excellent tool for still photographers, but to be avoided by videographers.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 11, 2012)

921k isn't 'average resolution,' it's on the same level as most of the best camera screens.

It works out as 640 x 480 x RGB - there's almost nothing higher-res than that at the moment. The WhiteMagic displays are 1.23M dots but they're still only showing 640 x 480 pixels, so don't have a resolution advantage (they have brightness or battery life advantages, but not res).

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Sep 11, 2012)

Canon's LCD is slightly higher resolution at 720x480xRGB. As for FC's 'preliminary summary'. Just stating the obvious really.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 11, 2012)

640 x 580 VGA, not quite sure how useful that is for critical manual focusing when you are shooting and trying to focus a 1920 x 1080 rez video. I guess this is the main reason why many pros are now using larger, externally connected LCD field monitors (up to native 1920 x 1080 resolution) and external EVFs (up to 1280 x 720 native resolution), last I checked.

But 3-inch is a small enough screen for 640 x 480, so it all evens out at the end, I suppose. I am somewhat suprirsed they have the screen at the 4:3 aspect ratio for a brand new camera, however.

Regarding video, I would be curious to learn later what happens if you connect an external EVF or LCD monitor to this new K-5 II via HDMI, will you continue to see an image when you start recording video to the internal flash card? Or will your connected display device just go blank?

Also, hopefully the K-5 II's sensor will not overheat after 8-10 minutes of recording video.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 12, 2012)

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Francis Carver said:
"They kept down the pixel count to 16MP instead of 24MP, that is good news indeed."

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Why is that necessarily good news? Assuming the new 24MP Sony sensor has the same QE as that 16MP Exmor, 24MP would be better in almost every way, including noise performance at same display sizes.

I think the determination to stay at 16MP was probably actually made by Sony rather than Pentax - supplies of the 24MP sensor from Sony Semiconductor are constrained either by *supply* or by *agreement* with Sony Imaging and/or Nikon. (which is understandable and not surprising.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

moving_comfort:

The 24MP Sony APSC sensor can't really be used above ISO3200m not in Sony cameras nor Nikon.

A Sony representative even lied to me about high ISO shooting with this sensor in the A77, which has a separate light retarding mirror in the system. This rep claimed near noise free at 6400ASA in the A77.

So yeah, Pentax made a very good choice. Would have been even better with a new say 12MP sensor.

In short:
Francis Carver's statement is completely valid. And you're making up things to justify the high MP count equals better mentality of "thinkers" on this subject.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 12, 2012)

Re. LCD screen:

"921k isn't 'average resolution,' it's on the same level as most of the best camera screens."

Well, that may be, but it looks like the new Sony Alpha 99 DSLT has a much higher resolution screen than what this 921K rez Pentax has, correct?

Re. sensor resolution: well, I am definitely no sensor expert, but all other thing being held constant, I would think that a lower MP count sensor will have better low-light performance, because in the lower pixel count sensor the photosites will be physically larger than in the higher pixel count sensor. Thus each of them being able to gather more of the incoming light from the lens. If that makes any sense.

Anyhow, for my own purposes (video shooting and in-camera signal downsampling for Full-HD video's 2.2MP), the lower resolution the sensor, the better. I would love 10MP or 12MP, but will make do with 16MP in APS-C, or else with 24MP in FF.
Full-frame Sony Alpha 99 has a 24MP sensor, so glad that K-5 II's is only 16MP.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 12, 2012)

Don't use an SLT design to judge the sensor performance.

A more direct comparison would be between the K-5 and the D3200 - and DxOMark has the low-light ISO scores as 1162 and 1131 respectively, and indiscernible difference.

Also, more MP tends to respond to slight NR better. Take that 24MP image, downsample it to 16MP with some very slight NR on the way down, and it will probably look slightly cleaner and slightly more detailed than a native 16MP image - at the very least it will look the same.

Then there's all the shooting you do below ISO 3200 - where 24MP brings even more advantages and options to the photographer in post.

I'm pretty confident Pentax would be able to get the most out of that sensor - get the DR clocking in at 14 stops, and probably the best Dx0Mark scores in aps-c. Watch PMA!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

moving_comfort:

I didn't just use the A77 as a test of the sensor, I also used the Nex 7 and the Nikon D3200.

That was the point of "not in a Nikon", separately the Sony rep lied about the capacity of the A77.

Quit with the "downsample" suggestion.

24MP isn't loaded with great strengths below ISO 3200.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 12, 2012)

HowaboutRAW said:
"I didn't just use the A77 as a test of the sensor, I also used the Nex 7 and the Nikon D3200."
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And the D3200 matches the K-5 in high-ISO noise perf according to the most direct comparison available (DxOMark.) Does this mean that the K-5 is 'unusable' past ISO 3200 as well? :)

Also, re downsampling: You do realize that everything you present on the web and almost every single thing you've ever printed has been downsampled, right? (Unless you print enormous?) Acknowledging the importance f downsampling is simply acknowledging the realities of your workflow.

There's also cleaner cropping to consider. As I said before, 24MP with the same QE is better than 16MP in almost every way. You'll see the light when the 24MP Pentax flagship appears. :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

moving_comfort:

Very little of anything I print is downsampled. High quality printing on my Epson is 720 dpi and the files are rarely less than 300 dpi. So in other words the printer can handle what I through at it up to 720dpi and most of my files for print are between 300 dpi and 600dpi. I rarely ever send files out for printing anymore.

I don't pay a lot of attention to the image quality of jpegs posted for viewing on the web.

The Nikon D3200 is not usable above ISO 3200, it has big blotching problems in shadows, this is a known Sony problem. The K5 and the K30 can be used above ISO 3200.

Sure I read reviews and comments, but when making claims about high ISO work, I get raw samples, and I sure have those for the K30 and the D3200, somewhere I've seen K5 high ISO raws too.

Seems to me that the "flagship" Nikon still only has 14MP, and the one before had 12MP, both are still extraordinary cameras.

Imagine a "flagship" Pentax with say 10MP, that would really be something.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 13, 2012)

At 300dpi, your K-5 only gets up to about 11x14 - good for most uses, but that is a limit you have to consider. Also, if you crop at all, every image kept at 300dpi now has to be smaller than 11x14, or you have to go under your 300dpi threshold. You never, ever feel restricted by this? How would you feel if you could have IQ just as good as your 16MP K-5 (or better) that would allow you to get 300DPI at 20x16? Or be able to crop it 30% and still get 300DPI at 19x13? Or 300DPI at 50% crop at 11x16? Just *not* *interested*? :)

Also.. 10MP Pentax?!?!? You're talking about being limited to 8x10 at 300dpi now, and forget cropping while maintaining that dpi.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 13, 2012)

M_C:

Right, but if you must print large, or crop forever, get a Nikon D800 or medium format.

I'm not particularly interested in spending $20-$30 per large print, and that price assumes the first print is satisfactory.

The reasons for the 10MP suggestion: The Nikon D3s, Nikon D4, oh and the Nikon D300s.

Also you need to know that dpi density is not everything when printing; the quality of the source file is also extraordinarily important. That's why prints from a really high quality source, like a Nikon D4 raw file shot with a Zeiss lens, can be printed at less than 300dpi with still astounding results.

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moving_comfort
By moving_comfort (Sep 13, 2012)

If you want to spend $3000+ on a body and get all new lenses, sure. Wouldn't you enjoy enhanced cropability in K-mount at around $1300?

Also: D3s (12MP) D4 (16MP) are both full-frame cameras with different sensor tech, different QE. Using them as reasons why Pentax should make a 10MP aps-c camera is silly. There is not some magical reason why lower-MP makes those cameras great, it's about the sensor area size and pixel design. Also, the D300 has no better IQ than the K-x - matching that would be a step backwards for Pentax.

I honestly think you should revisit your ideas about MP, they are slightly outdated when you consider current sensor tech. (It's to your own advantage to do so, I'm not taking a jab at you with that comment.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 13, 2012)

m_c:

Quote: "Wouldn't you enjoy enhanced cropability in K-mount at around $1300?" Not at the expense of image quality and high ISO capacity. For example the Nex7 and D3200 remain unusable over ISO 3200.

The 20MP APCS sensor in the Samsung is usable upto 4000ASA but can't really be used at 6400ASA. And that's a new sensor.

Are not the K5 sensor, D3s sensor and D4 sensor all CMOS sensors? By two different manufacturers yes, but "different sensor tech", not exactly.

My point about a 10MP Pentax APSC sensored DSLR stands. After all Nikon still ships the very respected 12MP D300s.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (Sep 11, 2012)

It is very ugly which is exactly how we love Pentax. You think they would use the opportunity to do a few needed tweaks. With a non-FF design objective, I am also sadly disappointed by its video reach. Samples will tell if this is justified.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Sep 11, 2012)

I agree - the Canon Rebricks look so much better. And their much bigger size is a huge benefit as well.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

K-5 is definitely not an ugly camera. It's a solid, beautifully made, well designed body. Small size with big performance.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Sep 11, 2012)

I want to see more special purpose variants of sensors. Especially B&W ones without the bayer filter array.

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax really needs a PRIME III. The fact that they didn't chose PRIME M for the K5II (hence no focus peaking, H.264) implies either:
i) K5II development was already fully complete before M and implementation would have postponed release.
ii) M, while having cool new features, is more of a budget processing engine, and would have negatively affected performance on the K5.

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ageha
By ageha (Sep 11, 2012)

You think too much. ;)

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raincoat
By raincoat (Sep 11, 2012)

Would you rather it be like Canon and renumber their 'digic' every year?
As well as their DSLR every year
Buy Canon, Buy Obsolete!

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Streetutopia
By Streetutopia (Sep 11, 2012)

I like what Pentax is doing. I know a lot of photographers are into tech metrics but I am more interested in the image. Not the quality as usually quantified but simply the way it looks (aesthetics). Although I don't own a K5 I have felt that the images created by that camera are sensational.

I also believe not having an AA filter will dramatically increase the quality of the final image--more so than going to a 24mp camera.

Small size, weather sealed, great images, etc makes me a buyer for the "S" model.

Finally, I siimply don't understand why everyone is complaining at this time without first seeing the new camera's output/images.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Can this be? Someone capable of seeing the forest for the trees...?

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Kaelis
By Kaelis (Sep 13, 2012)

Welcome to Pentax World, we don't have FF, so we know how to enjoy photographic tools instead of speaking of 5K$ cameras.
We even do take photos, sometimes.

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edph
By edph (Sep 11, 2012)

I am surprised that so many of us get upset with Pentax technology status. The early masters had primitive equipment and yet they made their mark through great images. Photography is food for the soul and a moment of inner peace, where you are absorbed with your art. I wish I had more time to take pictures with my current equipment ( I have a K20D and a K5)...

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Sep 11, 2012)

This isn't the film era anymore. This is the digital era and those who cannot keep up will fail. Minolta was very strong with film cameras but their inability to compete with Canon and Nikon in the digital era meant their downfall.

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Sep 11, 2012)

Didn't Sony buy the camera division of Minolta for their own range of very sophisticated DSLRs?

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Malinki Malinki
By Malinki Malinki (Sep 11, 2012)

Sony have just lost one customer who, despite the 'advantages' of SLT technology, just plain doesn't like the view through an EVF. I have been looking to upgrade from my Sony Alpha (A390) plus lenses and kit. The Pentax K-5 just feels perfect in my hand, and gives me a great 100% OVF view; I don't care if it looks 'ugly' but takes fantastic photos. Every lens is a compromise and none are perfect; regardless of FF or not, having the camera compensate in-camera for any lens deficiencies is an extraordinary advantage. Needless to say I am thrilled that I can now order/buy a Pentax K-5 II instead of the K-5. Hello Pentax, Bye-Bye Sony!

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Malinki Malinki
By Malinki Malinki (Sep 11, 2012)

P.S. I think the K-5 looks great and I am not really interested in video.

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Kfrog
By Kfrog (Sep 15, 2012)

Welcome to the Pentax family Malinki! I hope to pick up a K-5 II myself pretty soon as an upgrade from my old K10D.

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Sep 11, 2012)

There's something just right about Pentax's K5 series, the chunky little bricks! As for the minor upgrades - Maybe the company just can't put the kind of resources into the development of this model due to the limited amount of sales it garners. The company is small fry compared to Canikon, even with ownership by Ricoh.

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andymuns
By andymuns (Sep 11, 2012)

The Nikon 4D is 16mp and no ones complaining.
Why complain about the k5 II it has the best APS C sensor ever.
I believe there will be a k3 in feb 2013 and a new 645d i think their still in late development stage so don't panic.

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (Sep 11, 2012)

U really think making a numbers comparison of the 16MP with a K5 II and D4 is on level ground? Sure.. nvm the advantages of speed and low light of the 4D huh.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

saralecaire:

The shutter and mirror slap on the K5 are much less audible than on the Nikon D4.

So yeah, though the Nikon beats the K5 for lowlight and processing speed, the K5 is very good at lowlight and usable in instances where the Nikon would be very distracting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm huge fan of the D4 and the D3s, but they are audible systems. (I use manual focus lenses so a blimp is not really an option. Blimps are big fiberglass boxes for camera bodies.)

Then of course the Fuji X-Pro1 is even quieter than the Pentax, or any mirrorless, but the Fuji only goes up to ISO 6400 and there are odd screen patterns generated by that sensor. Patterns that can be removed only with heavy NR in ACR. Don't waste time with Silkypix. It's far from silky with any camera.

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Leichhardt
By Leichhardt (Sep 11, 2012)

One thing no one has mentioned is the pentaprism upgrade, it now has a magnification of 0.92 compared to 0.61 for the K-5. That's a huge improvement and probably makes it the largest optical viewfinder in its class.

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Henrik Herranen
By Henrik Herranen (Sep 11, 2012)

K-5's specs also says "0.92x magnification". You are confusing the number with DPReview's full-frame equivalent magnification that is 0.61x for both K-5 and K-5 II. Alas, there is no size improvement to be seen.

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

And I was really hoping for a new flash system. At least an upgrade to the venerable but long-in-the-tooth AF540GZ. As good as the K5-II/s may be, as a system it lacks the excellence Nikon has embodied with flash. Even Canon has made great improvements in this area.

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pappygti
By pappygti (Sep 11, 2012)

If they are going to re-badge the K5 with an improved focus engine they could at least use the same battery. But no. For some reason the twin sister to my K5 uses a different power source. So now if I were to invest in this "upgraded" model (which I'm not) I would have to buy all new batteries? Not even new. Just the same battery with a P at the end of the name. Probably moved a contact point slightly to the left just so the original D-LI90 battery wouldn't be compatible. Even their selling point of the battery has changed...
K5 - •Long battery life, for recording of 1,100 images with full recharge
K5II - •Long battery life, for recording of approximately 980 images with a full recharge

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

I'm assuming compatibility with the BG4 grip - at least the D-LI90 can be used in that capacity.
But, yes, I totally agree with your comment.

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Kfrog
By Kfrog (Sep 15, 2012)

How can the battery grip for the K-5 and K-5II be usable with both cameras but the battery is different? You mean I have to have two different batteries, one for the camera and one for the grip?

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (Sep 11, 2012)

Time stands still at Pentax.

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

I'm mixed on the announcement. One one hand, I'm excited about the improved AF and IIs model. The 16MP sensor is fine; it's a fantastic sensor. The body is great.

However, and in no particular order,
- Does it have focus peaking? I'd like to see that.
- I was hoping for more AF points, more cross-type, larger spread.
- I was hoping for a new PRIME III engine with a larger buffer. 7FPS is still OK. 8 would be better.
- I want UHS-I SD memory - it's not listed in the Press Release so I assume it's not supported.

This is a extremely modest evolutionary improvement. Even less in scope than the Canon 5DMIII upgrade Canonites btched about.

I may pick up a IIs as a backup but I'm far less excited about this than I was when the K5 was announced to replace the K7.

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ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

1. No FOCUS PEAKING - officially

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

Shame. The flagship should not omit features present in the mid and economy models.

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Rmano
By Rmano (Sep 11, 2012)

...is there any kind of CDAF while recording video? It seems no... And the lack of a moving LCD is too a bit disappointing.

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Pavlo Boiko
By Pavlo Boiko (Sep 11, 2012)

I always use center point for focusing then shift a camera to get proper composition. I wonder: is it really handy to use multiple focus points?

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Sep 11, 2012)

Wow, talk about deja-vu. It feels like 2010 all over again. Basicly, same sensor, same build, same IQ, same everything, except for some claims on a new AF (oh dear, pentax AF..). People are dreaming at a D800, 5Dmk3, a FF mirorless, a FF affordable camera (rumored D600), and Pentax-Ricoh re-release the K5...

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senn_b
By senn_b (Sep 11, 2012)

.. a FF ? what for then ?
as for the "dream, .. I am a Pentax user and I was dreaming a Pentax K5 with better AF capabilities, .. so I'm very happy about this announcement, .. now I'm waiting dp review results to appreciate the extend of the improvement, .. If you think that Pentax offer doesn't go far enough to meet your expectations you can always go with a Canikon, .. then you can have your FF, .. but again .. what for ?

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Sep 11, 2012)

I don't know, because you can have the things that you are dreaming of. And shallower depth of field, and fast prime lenses, and proper focal length, more detail, higher ISO and so on.

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dustybunter
By dustybunter (Sep 11, 2012)

I'm glad that you have pledged allegiance to the flag of Nikon, nicolai.
Your comments come across as ignorant and arrogant to photographers who improve their skills with the equipment they enjoy using.
If someone likes aps-c then so be it; if another likes brick-like FF, then so be it.
Each to their own.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Sep 11, 2012)

Whatever dude. Read my initial post, not the replies to senn_b's post. I didn't came here to start a flame between brands (not that it would be one to start, let's face it), I was just making a comment on the idleness of the developement for this model. Just be happy with what you have, I know I am. Cheers.

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Nerdlinger
By Nerdlinger (Sep 11, 2012)

Most people on this site are hilarious...."It has the same MP rating?!?! FOR SHAME PENTAX!" and yet you'll see the same posters in other links roasting a company for having a 24MP sensor..."24 MP?!?!? They should keep the MP's to a reasonable value!"

I applaud Pentax for making upgrades and not renaming the camera like the other big companies...welcome to the DXXXXX or Rebel TXiizfdg etc....

GO Pentax!

I think that the Ricoh buyout is a GREAT thing. Can't wait to get my K-30!

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jsis
By jsis (Sep 11, 2012)

but it's a Pentax. Nobody uses them.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Sep 11, 2012)

This soldier does:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-talk/196667-update-number-eleven-my-afghan-deployment-new-post.html

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mitko256
By mitko256 (Sep 11, 2012)

I don't get the part where you have to pay more for a camera WITHOUT AA filter. So, ok we are left to suppose that removing it means other components need to be improved.. but the way the news is written is like the AA filter grows on the camera by itself and removing it is an added value :)
(I'm a newbie owning K-5, its fine, compact and great value for money, I wonder why they didn't adopt a proximity sensor to switch the display off - even cheap new smatphones have that now, but I guess it is because of keeping the same housing - it looks like the only change is the K-5 II label)

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Joseph S Wisniewski
By Joseph S Wisniewski (Sep 11, 2012)

It's about quantities. Smaller quantities mean more expensive distribution, cut the quantity in half and prices go up roughly 5%. I'm not sure what Pentax anticipates the quantities on this camera at, but obviously somewhere between 1/2 and 1/10 that of the "mainstream" version.

Nikon got surprised on D800, from what I'm seeing, the "e" version is a much higher percentage of sales than I'd have anticipated.

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (Sep 11, 2012)

Disappointing... no significant bump is resolution, no improvement in video encoding format... c'mon Pentax, what are you doing?

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Sep 11, 2012)

Looking at the Nikon D800 and Sony NEX7, going beyond 16MP significantly degrades the image quality; at 100% it's like looking at the output of a P&S. In any case 16MP is already a hell of a lot.

Personally, I would prefer more dynamic range than MPs. 16MP is already more than is necessary even for severe cropping.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

Nah, too bad the resolution didn't go down. And perhaps Pentax fixed the K5's twitchy AF.

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LWW
By LWW (Sep 11, 2012)

Doesn't look like these are making the camera geeks happy but it will allow photographers to produce better quality photographs.
More like a new film than a new camera model.
Will suit me just fine

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2npd
By 2npd (Sep 11, 2012)

Hopefully there is a K3 or similar coming....Pentax's lineup is currently a bit of a mess, and it seems like they've wasted a chunk of their limited resource on oddities like the Q system and the K-01. Both are cool and certainly unique, but each seems tragically flawed and self defeating.

If Pentax had introduced a single mirrorless system (compact body/ APS-C/ adapter for K-Mount/ optional viewfinder) and had/has a better update to their high end line I'd be on board. But as is, it's hard to see why I'd stay with the brand.

Maybe it's all an unfortunate outcome of Pentax's ever changing ownership.

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (Sep 11, 2012)

I'd love a mirrorless K-5 with an articulated electronic viewfinder, like the add-on EVF for the NEX-5N (and Leica X2! The same EVF fits both!).

But I have to agree: Minimal upgrade to hike the price up again! Not the first company that has done that, for sure, but many of us were thinking that something, bigger, better, was afoot!

Alas, no!

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bavarius6
By bavarius6 (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax have made a stunner in the K5iiS, if it ain't broke don't fix it, tweek it. Will be very interested to see how an AAless 16mp sensor stacks up against the noisy but detailed 24mp sensor, very well I think. Although many, including myself, were hoping for 20+ AF sensor points, 11 that work down to -3EV will ease the disapointment. Not sure that there's enough to wrestle my K5 away from me but I'm glad to see Pentax are doing their own thing, not acting like sheep.

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RichardBalonglong
By RichardBalonglong (Sep 11, 2012)

This is the "good things are coming"?

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2npd
By 2npd (Sep 11, 2012)

The K-5 is a great little camera, and I don't like change just for the sake of change, but this feels like an inadequate update. There are a few ergonomic niggles that could have been addressed, and video is still lacking. Maybe in use (focus, screen, LCD interface) this will be a convincing update, but with K-5 sitting at under $900 this seems like a tough sell.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 11, 2012)

I have a K-5 and it is a POS. I am actually using a K-x now. It outlasted the K-7 which was a POS and the K-5 which was a horror story.
LOL, what a muster cluck.

Although I will buy one. Which makes me an idiot also. Good glass though.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 11, 2012)

guys calm down, its a pentax, who cares what they bring out ^^

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aceofspades
By aceofspades (Sep 11, 2012)

Wait... me ?

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HBowman
By HBowman (Sep 11, 2012)

This is what I call a non event ...

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (Sep 11, 2012)

Alas, yes!

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calacarbo
By calacarbo (Sep 11, 2012)

think they are just winning some more time and not ready yet for k3.
remember fuiji , canon and also pentax with early releases, they had all to be firmwared as they had problems.
like that they are able to squeeze a bit more out of the old good k5 , this means
they can exploit also new upcoming cameras to the limit of their possibilities.
just be patient as pentax alltough not in everybodies flavour has given us good products.

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jon404
By jon404 (Sep 11, 2012)

Need comments -- would removing the AA filter make for better landscape images?

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Sep 11, 2012)

.....except if we have lots of trees with thin branches or furrows in the field

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Zvonko
By Zvonko (Sep 11, 2012)

GO PENTAX

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Sep 11, 2012)

The name K-5 II sounds suspiciously close to 5D MarkII at least ...and why not, this can be a good starting point for the new camera ;)

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Seumas
By Seumas (Sep 11, 2012)

or like pentax 67 II which is a little better, for what I can remember ;)

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 11, 2012)

Nice set here, though underwhelming for a Photokina release...
as I have only a humble K-x, the K-5 IIs will be the upgrade I'm waiting for. If the removal of the AA filter will make significant improvements in sharpness and resolution for my non-DA* lenses, then all the more I can appreciate it, and that's not counting the -3EV AF capability yet!

I just hope they DID REDUCE the size of those AF sensors....

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