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Pentax Ricoh announces Pentax K-5 II DSLR and K-5 IIs with no low-pass filter

By dpreview staff on Sep 10, 2012 at 22:00 GMT

Photokina 2012: Pentax Ricoh has announced its latest flagship DSLRs - the K-5 II and K-5IIs. The 's' version, which costs $100 more, comes without an anti-aliasing filter, to offer higher resolution at the risk of more prominent moiré interference patterns. Both cameras feature 16MP sensors and the weather-sealed magnesium alloy build of the original K-5.

The biggest difference is the latest, SAFOX X, autofocus sensor. This is designed to work in lower light than any of its rivals (down to -3EV) it will also provide greater accuracy when working with F2.8 and fast lenses. The SAFOX X also features more sophisticated focus tracking, to keep focus when the subject moves off the original focus point. The K-5 II and IIs also gain rear LCD panels with no air gap between the panel and the protective glass, reducing internal reflections and improving visibility in bright light.

The K-5 II will be available from October at a cost of around $1350/€1099 with 18-55mm WR kit zoom. The K-5 IIs will be available, body-only for around $1300/€1249 - a $100/€250 premium over the standard version.

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Press Release:

PENTAX Introduces New K-5 II & K-5 IIs DSLR Cameras

Versatile cameras feature newly developed AF sensor for stellar performance in low-light conditions, as well as high quality CMOS sensor, LCD monitor

Denver, CO (September 10, 2012) – PENTAX RICOH IMAGING AMERICAS CORPORATION today announced the introduction of its PENTAX K-5 II and K-5 IIs flagship digital SLR cameras, designed to advance the company’s well-received K-5 camera, which launched in October 2010. These new dustproof, weather-resistant and cold-resistant cameras include a newly developed SAFOX X AF sensor that delivers the broadest autofocusing EV range (-3 EV to +18 EV) in its class. In addition, the PENTAX K-5 IIs is offered without an anti-aliasing filter, making it the perfect solution for photographers who practice commercial and studio photography where camera settings, lens selection, lighting, and other shooting conditions are controlled. 

The new PENTAX K-5 II / K-5 IIs offer a compact, solid body that delivers high quality image reproduction, especially when working in low light conditions. The camera’s new, highly sensitive AF sensor enables photographers to work with a luminous flux based on F2.8 levels in addition to F5.6, which increases the AF accuracy when using fast lenses. The AF sensor also includes an upgraded AF algorithm as well as the Select-Area Expansion feature, which automatically tracks the subject when it deviates from a pre-assigned selection point, by assessing data from neighboring sensors.

“The new K-5 II and K-5 IIs deliver an extensive range of photographic possibilities for the resolution-conscious photographer in all of us. As a successor to our popular K-5 camera, these new models offer upgraded features designed to produce superb image quality, including the new AF sensor which is especially useful for photographers working in low light conditions,” said John Carlson, Sr. Manager of Sales and Marketing, PENTAX.

Major features include:

High resolution CMOS sensor for true-to-life images with minimal noise
With its large sensor measuring 23.7mm by 15.7mm with approximately 16.28 effective megapixels, the K-5 II’s latest-generation CMOS image sensor ensures high-speed image data readout. By coupling the sensor with the PRIME (PENTAX Real Image Engine) II imaging engine, the K-5 II delivers super high resolution, rich gradation digital images free of digital noise over a wide sensitivity range – from ISO 100 to ISO 12800 in the standard setting, or from ISO 80 to ISO 51200 when expanded via a custom function.

High quality LCD monitor with outstanding visibility outdoors
The K-5 II includes a 3.0 inch, wide-view, air-gap-free LCD display with approximately 921,000 dots for excellent visibility when outdoors. Situated between the front glass panel (which is coated with an anti-glare film) and the LCD screen is a unique resin layer that alleviates the reflection and dispersion of light to effectively prevent ghost images and maintain image brightness. The LCD cover is also made of tempered glass to keep it free of scratches and abrasions.

Anti-aliasing filter-free feature of the K-5 IIs
The K-5 IIs is offered without an anti-aliasing filter, which is commonly found in many DSLRs to smooth computer generated imagery by decreasing high frequencies and distortion, but adversely reduces detail resolution. Without this filter, the K-5 IIs creates deeply rich, detailed imagery at supreme resolution levels.

Compact, solid body with dustproof, weather-resistant construction
The K-5 II’s exterior casing is made of sturdy and lightweight magnesium alloy, while its chassis is made of highly rigid stainless steel. With 77 special seals in its body, the camera offers a dustproof, weather-resistant and cold-resistant construction, assuring reliable operation at temperatures as low as 14°F (-10°C). It also features a dependable shutter unit for a top shutter speed of 1/8000 per second, and the ability to withstand as many as 100,000 shutter releases.

PENTAX-original SR mechanism
The camera features the PENTAX-developed SR (Shake Reduction) mechanism, which compensates for the adverse effects of camera shake by approximately three shutter steps for blur-free images. The SR mechanism works with a variety of PENTAX interchangeable lenses – even those designed for film-format cameras. Thanks to its flexible design, which shifts the image sensor unit in all directions within the image place, the K-5 II offers several useful features to assist the photographer during shooting, such as auto level compensation and image composition fine-adjustment functions.

Bright, clear optical viewfinder with a nearly 100-percent field of view
The K-5 II features a glass pentaprism finder with a 100% field of view and approximately 0.92-times magnification (with a 50mm F1.4 lens at infinity) for an exceptional view of the entire image field and improved accuracy while photographing. The camera is also equipped with the Natural-Bright-Matte III focusing screen to facilitate manual-focus operation.

High-speed, continuous shooting to capture up to seven images in one second
The K-5 II’s high-speed continuous shooting mode allows photographers to record as many as 30 images (in the JPEG format) in a single sequence at a maximum speed of approximately seven images per second. This is ideal when shooting fast-moving subjects such as athletes and wildlife – all with ease and precision.

Innovative image processing functions
A custom image function allows users to easily select the desired finishing touch for a particular image to help express their creativity. This function provides a choice of nine distinctive custom image modes, such as Bleach Bypass, which creates a solemn visual effect used in motion pictures, and Cross Process, which produces eye-catching images with unique, dramatic colors. The K-5 II also offers 18 built-in digital filters, including sketch and posterization, to add distinctive visual effects to images without the need for software-aided computer re-touching.

Additional features of the PENTAX K-5 II / K-5 IIs include:

  • Electronic Level function, with a vertical level scale
  • Automatic compensation of distortion and lateral chromatic aberration (available only with DA,D FA and FA Limited series lenses)
  • CTE mode, to automatically adjust the white balance to emphasize the dominant colors of a specific scene
  • DR II (Dust Removal II) mechanism, to effectively shake dust off the CMOS image sensor using ultrasonic vibration
  • PENTAX-original Hyper Control system, to swiftly and accurately respond to the photographer’s creative intentions
  • Dynamic range expansion function, to compensate for both whitewashed (overexposed) highlight area and blackout (underexposed) shadow area
  • RAW data retrieve function to save the original RAW data of a just-recorded JPEG format image
  • RAW/Fx button, for single-action switching of image file format, as well as for assignment and instant recall of a specific function
  • A choice of three grid patterns while in Live View mode, including “Golden Section”
  • Long battery life, for recording of approximately 980 images with a full recharge

Pricing and Availability
The new PENTAX K-5 II will be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in October 2012 with a suggested retail price of $1,199.95 for body only, $1,349.95 for the K-5 II kit including the DA 18-55mm WR zoom lens and $1,549.95 for the K-5 II kit including the DA 18-135mm WR zoom lens. The K-5 IIs will also be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in October with a suggested retail price of $1,299.95 for body only.

Pentax K-5 II and K-5 IIs specifications

Price
MSRPBody Only:$1,299.95
Body type
Body typeMid-size SLR
Body materialLightweight magnesium alloy body, Stainless steel chassis
Sensor
Max resolution4928 x 3264
Other resolutions3936 x 2624, 3072 x 2048, 1728 x 1152
Image ratio w:h3:2
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.7 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorPrime II
Color spacesRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter arrayPrimary Color Filter
Image
ISOAuto, 100 to 12800, in 1, 1/2, 1/3 EV steps (80 to 51200 Extended)
White balance presets9
Custom white balanceYes (3)
Image stabilizationSensor-shift
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsGood, Better, Best, Premium
File format
  • RAW 14 bits (PEF, DNG)
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3)
  • DCF 2.0
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points11
Lens mountPentax KAF2
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots921,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT LCD monitor
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeOptical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification0.92×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Green
  • Program (P)
  • Sensitivity-Priority (Sv)
  • Shutter-Priority (Tv)
  • Aperture-Priority (Av)
  • Shutter and Aperture Priority (TAv)
  • Metered Manual (M)
  • Bulb
  • X
  • User
  • Video
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range13.00 m (at ISO 100)
External flashYes (Hot-shoe, Wireless)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Slow sync, High speed, Rear curtain and Wireless
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Self-timer (2 or 12 sec)
  • Continuous shooting (Hi, Lo)
  • Remote control (0, 3 sec or continuous)
  • Super-Impose (up to 9 pictures)
  • Interval up to 999 pictures
  • Exposure bracketing (2, 3 or 5 frames, also available with self-timer and remote control)
  • Mirror lock-up (w/ or w/o remote control)
Continuous drive7 fps
Self-timerYes ( 2 or 12 seconds)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (2, 3, 5 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (25 fps), 1280 x 720 (25, 30 fps), 640 x 480 (25, 30 fps)
FormatMotion JPEG
MicrophoneMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (mini)
Remote controlYes (optional, wired or wireless)
Physical
Environmentally sealedYes (Weather and dust resistant)
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion D-LI90P rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)980
Weight (inc. batteries)760 g (1.68 lb / 26.81 oz)
Dimensions131 x 97 x 73 mm (5.16 x 3.82 x 2.87)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes (up to 999 pictures)
GPSOptional
GPS notesO-GPS1

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Comments

Total comments: 276
12
K_Photo_Teach
By K_Photo_Teach (Sep 11, 2012)

Should have added USB 3.0!
Should be a great camera nevertheless. But Pentax had better have another camera above this for the masses (i.e not medium format)

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
ledgars
By ledgars (Sep 11, 2012)

Processor: Prime II - is it prime or second? :)

1 upvote
Gazeomon
By Gazeomon (Sep 11, 2012)

On paper this looks like just the camera I hoped Nikon would come up with to replace The D300/s with. If I find usable lenses in the Pentax range for my style of shooting (and 3rd party lenses) I might be tempted to switch systems. Nikon has become a very uncertain prospect for DX shooters these days.

5 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Sep 11, 2012)

I'd wait to see what the D600 and D7100 will bring to the table. It all depends on your needs of course, but although Pentax might look interesting on paper, the reality is somewhat different.

I've started with Pentax, went the Nikon route later, tried to go back to Pentax a few times as I was missing its "Pros" despite a truck load of very heavy "Cons", but I was hitting the same wall all over again - If you already have some good Pentax glass - it's worth sticking with, but you have to be insane to jump-in from scratch if you're anyhow serious about photography.

0 upvotes
Matthew Miller
By Matthew Miller (Sep 12, 2012)

What's your style of shooting? If it's nice prime lenses, Pentax has you covered. :) See: http://photo.stackexchange.com/a/13594/1943

0 upvotes
robbo d
By robbo d (Sep 11, 2012)

K5 is still a top performing aps-c, so tweaking a good thing and not completely falling for the higher mp trap must mean an excellent cam.
The removed aliasing filter version should produce stunning quality for commercial shooters producing near FF results in a handy package.
The q to k adapter could be a lot of fun on a 55-300 lens. That's wildlife shooting at a cheap price for lots of people.
Still can't help thinking another higher end cam is coming.
Am pleased with the announcements thus far.
Real world Users should be impressed despite those negative people who always pop up for the sake of it.

16 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

But not in AF. It's not top-performance APS-C camera.

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

Only with camera higher than K-5II - the line of camera looks good:
K-01, K-30, K-5II and K-3 ?

1 upvote
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

All announcements look like mockery - 90% of Pentaxian don't need such products.
Rebadged Tamron 18-270 - with bad SDM and weak optically.
High expensive 645 DFA90 for MF users and marginal DA560 for USD7000.
Pentax Q with the same tiny sensor and new dark zoom + adapter.
K-5II is old camera with old processor and sensor with minor tweaks.

You don't know whether to laugh or cry...

4 upvotes
Tibor1
By Tibor1 (Sep 11, 2012)

I do not know about other pentaxians, but I'm definitely happy with the new announcement. The K-5 was already a near perfect camera to me (great handling, solid & weather sealed body, optimal picture size, super low noise & high DR). The improved AF system means great companion to my limited lenses and hassle free shotting for me. Well done Pentax! :-)

11 upvotes
timo
By timo (Sep 11, 2012)

Ogl, if you mean that 90% of Pentaxians have excellent cameras that more than meet their requirements I would agree with you. Maybe you're one of those people who have to replace all their possessions every year - phone, tablet, car even - in the belief it will transform your life. The K5 is a fantastic camera - Pentax are very sensible NOT to mess with it too much. Focus peaking is the only thing I regret not seeing in the spec.

8 upvotes
kadardr
By kadardr (Sep 11, 2012)

@timo:
Focus peaking can be added by firmware modification. Must not be a big deal.

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

NO focus peaking by firmware, official answer.

1 upvote
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

Timo, I have K-5 and don't think that it's fantastic camera.

0 upvotes
dentaku
By dentaku (Sep 11, 2012)

ogl - you seem to know a lot about the 560mm and the 645 macro. Care to share your data? Thought not.

Comment edited 31 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 11, 2012)

If you think of not buying it, then OGL stop posting nonsense and allow people — who'd love to have this K-5II — to actually enjoy it without your clueless trolling or knowing what you're talking about.
Whatever you think that Pentax lineup should be, there is a room for a such camera.
Why you must judge everything by that you want to spend your money on? Your money is irrelevant, and all the detestable notions coming from your overwhelming buying needs and zero common sense.

4 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

ogl - did you miss the press release on the Q10 which has a *new* CMOS sensor, not the same as the Q?

1 upvote
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@ogl - so you have a K-5 and you don't think it's a fantastic camera. I wonder what your definition of that is, but hey, many seem to think otherwise and enjoy it. Maybe you should sell yours and get what you really want.

2 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Sep 11, 2012)

"By ogl (2 hours ago)

Timo, I have K-5 and don't think that it's fantastic camera."

Then by all means that must mean it must not be a fantastic camera. Darn.

1 upvote
brettmeikle
By brettmeikle (Sep 11, 2012)

Timo, ogl - I have a K5 and find it an excellent machine for my purposes which I believe is reflected in this site's review. But then my K7 was no slouch either - images from both can be seen here:
http://brettmeiklephoto.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Hills-of-Torridon/19904334_crBGhV

Like others have said, if it's the best in class why mess with it?

0 upvotes
raimaster
By raimaster (Sep 11, 2012)

interesting about AF performance in low light:

"In single AF mode the EOS 5D Mark III's AF performs very well, too, even in very low light, despite the lack of an AF-assist lamp. Rated down to EV-2, which is equivalent to moonlight, we've been constantly impressed by the ability of the 5D III's AF system to get solid focus in light where the 5D Mark II would have been completely unable to operate."
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/14

Pentax K-5II: The biggest difference is the latest, SAFOX X, autofocus sensor. This is designed to work in lower light than any of its rivals (down to -3EV) it will also provide greater accuracy when working with F2.8 and fast lenses.

can we say that K-5II has the same performance in low light shooting compare to 5DMKIII ? plus K-5II has an assist lamp :)

0 upvotes
Albino_BlacMan
By Albino_BlacMan (Sep 11, 2012)

No we can't. Spec's and claims about how low it will work don't mean much. Previously Olympus claimed the E-3 had the world's fastest AF. Under certain circumstances it did, however the general consensus was that its AF wasn't that amazing (especially things like C-AF). Pentax can claim whatever they want, we won't know if the AF is actually competetive until people get their hands on it.

8 upvotes
garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 13, 2012)

IMO this a joke. I own the K-5. Sure it will AF and confirm even in fairly good light. But the AF is not focused. It is a joke period. Pentax is so far behind in this area. My 7D walks all over the K-5 hands down. And personally I doubt there is much improvement. That advertising hype is for the fanboys so they will buy another POS. LOL

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Sep 11, 2012)

So, basically the same thing with a couple of bugs fixed.

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

Is there focus-peaking?

1 upvote
ageha
By ageha (Sep 11, 2012)

No.

0 upvotes
Yinle
By Yinle (Sep 11, 2012)

I don't think you could get focus peaking from cameras other than Sony.

0 upvotes
JustDavid
By JustDavid (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax K-01 and K-30 have it too...

1 upvote
anthony mazzeri
By anthony mazzeri (Sep 11, 2012)

Ricoh GXR as well...

1 upvote
dentaku
By dentaku (Sep 11, 2012)

What's to say it won't come in a firmware update? The camera isn't even available yet. They already have an implementation in the K-01 so it's entirely reasonable that they'll port it to the K-5II.

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Sep 11, 2012)

K-5II doesn't look as flagship...Even processor is old. It seems to me one more camera will be announced on the first day of Photokina.

1 upvote
brettmeikle
By brettmeikle (Sep 11, 2012)

ogl, have you got typing tourette's man?

0 upvotes
halai
By halai (Sep 11, 2012)

I like the idea that Pentax is keeping at 16mp. For most people, this is more than enough. If AF-C anywhere near the Nikon D700, I will upgrade my K-5 in a heart beat, and Pentax will hit a home run out of the park. A lot of Pentax users including myself are waiting for this. If it's slightly better than the K-5, I will past and continue to use my K-5 until it dies. In the meantime, I will get the D600 when it comes out to replace my D700.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

I sure hope the Nikon "D600" is really the D700s with the sensor from the D3s.

That's an amazing sensor that Nikon would be foolish to forego. K5 sure can't come close.

Nice to see Pentax sticking with a smaller pixel count, if they were really smart they would have dropped the count in the K5v2--to say 12MP.

0 upvotes
ashwins
By ashwins (Sep 11, 2012)

Kudos to Pentax for sticking to 16MP!

And Hey Nikon, I want my D7100 also with 16MP!

5 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 11, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW - yes, a D600 with the D3S' sensor and ISO performance would be amazing - however, the info seems pretty solid that it'll have a 24MP sensor.

Some have theorized that 10 or 12MP is more optimal for APS-C - from my own experience I'd say it usually doesn't seem any worse than 16MP - sometimes perhaps better.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
io_bg
By io_bg (Sep 11, 2012)

The D600 won't be a replacement for the D700. It's a lower-grade camera.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

DStudio:

Too bad about the 24MP, I hope it's not a Sony sensor.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

io_bg--

So you're saying like a $1,500 body. I think a D700s would really sell.

0 upvotes
LaFonte
By LaFonte (Sep 11, 2012)

Sweet!

0 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (Sep 11, 2012)

If this is the flagship model and offers no focus peaking, unlike the 'lowly' K-01 and K-30, then I might just redefine 'flagship' in my dictionary and, in order to use more effectively a legion of wonderful MF lenses, get a $400 K-01. Anyway, let's wait for a full review...

5 upvotes
pentaxination
By pentaxination (Sep 11, 2012)

well, true as that may be on the lack of that feature; do you really think that the K5' II best images are the product of shooting with old glass?

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

Peaking is not only useful with old glass. On my K-30, any time it's tricky to MF, like shooting macro for example, I go to Live View where I always have focus peaking set to "ON".

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
3 upvotes
Sleepy
By Sleepy (Sep 11, 2012)

I really wish K5 II could have had the focus peaking and at least the same video recording as K-30. Anyways, K5 II is still a great camera which I might get when the price drops, and hopefully the contrast AF is improved.

0 upvotes
CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 11, 2012)

Focus peaking is something that should be able to be added in firmware. So, if the K5II doesn't have peaking, users who want it should ask Pentax to add it.

1 upvote
DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 11, 2012)

@pentaxination - Actually, some of my best images DO come off of old Pentax glass. In fact, the biggest problem I have when using them on the K-5, compared to a slightly older CCD model, is getting the focus right.

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (Sep 11, 2012)

Still no FF.

13 upvotes
CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 11, 2012)

A bit off topic, but do you really need a FF DSLR?

For the kind of photography where the extra IQ resolution, tonality, narrow DOF, etc FF offers really matters to me I think a FF mirrorless body (if one were available) with a few good primes would actually be a better choice than a DSLR. Where I would be using a zoom, long telephoto, macro etc. (what a DSLR body excels at) APS-C resolution and IQ is fine and the smaller format offers some considerable advantages in size, weight, cost, reach, more DOF etc.

Maybe Pentax should just stick with APS-C for DSLRs and come out with a full frame mirrorless which nobody else has.

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 12 minutes after posting
3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

CFynn:

Quote: "Maybe Pentax should just stick with APS-C for DSLRs and come out with a full frame mirrorless which nobody else has."

The Leica M9 is a FF mirrorless system. It just needs a quiet shutter and to be usable through ISO 6400. Leica does not equal "nobody".

Also full frame systems have vignetting problems, particularly with fast and or wide angle lenses. The solutions are to ignore the problem, do a fancy curved micro lens array in front of the sensor, or completely redo lens design. Canon and Nikon have chosen the first "solution".

1 upvote
leomartinez
By leomartinez (Sep 11, 2012)

An electronic compass function with the electronic level would be useful in a camera like this. the Iphone have one that works great.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

Does the Iphone shoot raw, does the iPhone shoot indoors with next to no light and no flash?

Who cares what the iPhone has. The iPhone can't touch this sensor or these lenses. This camera has serious weather sealing; the iPhone does not. The iPhone also doesn't have a card slot or a removable battery.

Sure some digital cameras, the Samsung NX20 for example, have a level. But that's more readily a mirrorless system thing. Would be very hard to do a good level in the OVF of a DSLR.

1 upvote
antares103
By antares103 (Sep 11, 2012)

I believe nikon has one.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 11, 2012)

antares103:

Nikon what? The 1 series? To the best of my knowledge the D3/D700/D3s/D4/D800 don't, but I've only used the D4, D3s and D700.

0 upvotes
leomartinez
By leomartinez (Sep 12, 2012)

Many DSLR has electronic levels, but, as long as I know, none of them have an electronic compass.

Hey "howaboutRAGE", I´m only saying that it would be great to have also an electronic compass with the electronic level. That´s all . I mention the Iphone just to point out the electronic possibility, no to make an extremly absurd comparation between a smartphone and a DSLR... From where in my sentence could somebody extract that extravagant conclusion? I did not even have used the word "like"

Why a compass? if you don´t know why, may be it will be good to you to go out to take pictures beyond your back yard and figure it out by yourself.

So please, "howabout RAwGE", calm down, try to read, try to learn...try to create.

Thank you all and sorry for my English.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 12, 2012)

leomartinez:

Did I say anything about your electronic compass request? No. Try not to put words into the mouth of someone you disagree with.

Please name DSLRs with electronic levels visible within the optical viewfinder (OVF)?

You brought up the iPhone, therefore you compared the iPhone to a very serious DSLR. You're not the first.

0 upvotes
leomartinez
By leomartinez (Sep 12, 2012)

leomartinez said: "An electronic compass function with the electronic level would be useful in a camera like this. The Iphone have one that works great"

From where came the relation OVF-electronic level mentioned by you howaboutRAW ? I don´t have any Idea but Howaboutraw said" "Try not to put words into the mouth of someone you disagree with." Well, yeah man, that is a good advice.

Any way, if you want to know, ("Please name DSLRs with electronic levels visible within the optical viewfinder (OVF)?" ) I think the canon 7d can show the electronic level in the view finder. I dont know how good it works because I have never used a 7D.

Because we are not understanding to each other, (may be I´m not making a proper use of English grammar), this is for me the end of the discussion.
Thank you very much.

0 upvotes
Devendra
By Devendra (Sep 11, 2012)

good for pentax users that you have more choices!
a lot of new grounds coming from every manufacturer.. except that canon seems to be loser and last in the race of sensors and features, and even AF in their sub 3.5k bodies. they are more focused on videos and print buttons.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

As much as I love the K-5, I'm not sure this announcement will thrill Pentax users and fans. While I tend to agree with "if it ain't broke don't fix it", the body is virtually identical as the K-5 and except for the AF and AA filter, I'm not seeing too much that is thrilling. One really troubling specs is M-JPEG video format. I don't know if it can also shoot normal H.264, but if not, that's going drag for those hoping that Pentax would finally bring it's video up to the level of the other big three.

I hope Nikon also keeps the excellent D7000 from going to 24 mp and improves other areas. But you can be sure Nikon will make the D7100 a significantly better HDSLR option than the D7000. I'm not sure Pentax did that.

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pentaxination
By pentaxination (Sep 11, 2012)

I own the K5 and I agree with you on its follow up. I am sort of relieved in that I didn't see a great need for a replacement anyway!
I don't give a hoot about what Nikon does.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

You should, as whatever the other big three do in terms of features offered will ultimately affect your favorite brand, Pentax. If they don't stay competitive it may eventually become a problem.

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CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax called it a MKII which it is. They did not try and make believe that its a new camera. They upgrade it a bit and called it revision 2 . They are to be applauded for that.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 11, 2012)

Just what was wrong with the K5 body? I am a Nikon user but the K5 body seems very good to me.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 11, 2012)

Don't judge the K-5 II by YOUR buying needs, which are irrelevant to this conversation about the ACTUAL merits of the K-5 II.
Not all Pentax users have a K-5, thank you, and I bet many are looking forward to this camera.

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ashwins
By ashwins (Sep 11, 2012)

It is the AF where K-5 and especially D7000 need to be improved. Now Pentax has done it (good for you Pentax dudes!). Let's see if Nikon can do it, too.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Sep 11, 2012)

As hopeful as I like to be, lets see what the AF is like in hands before we call it a victory there.

C

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Toccata47
By Toccata47 (Sep 11, 2012)

Hmm, a bit of a let down compared to the ground broke by the k5. Still, a fine choice in removing the AA. I'm sure it will be an excellent camera, but I'm not sure the AA-equiped model has enough umph to knock the ol' k5 off the shelf.

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Wesley Wong
By Wesley Wong (Sep 11, 2012)

Can't wait to see the image quality of the non-AA filtered K5-IIs!

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pentaxination
By pentaxination (Sep 11, 2012)

It won't make the essence of the picture any better but it will make pixel peepers delighted.

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JackM
By JackM (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax "hot rods" the K5... nice!

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hikenhi
By hikenhi (Sep 11, 2012)

I love the idea of staying with the same body (-) not being able to drill a hole in the body somewhere to mount a button in it for a one-touch video record feature. I can-not believe that they did not replace the video record format to H264 format. I hope the improved auto-focus fixes up the tungsten light focus issues that it has. Other than that...lol, I aint buying one, unless my K-7 get's stolen, then I might think about the K-5 IIs. My K5 does just fine for what they've added to the new models.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

I know that this is primarily a stills camera, but if Pentax doesn't approaching HDSLR features in a real way, they may get left in the dust. They just don't take video seriously. Since they didn't have to redesign the K-5 body, couldn't they at least put some normal industry standard video specs in it?

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El Profe
By El Profe (Sep 11, 2012)

Somehow Pentax was able to improve the best 16MP's camera currently available in the market. The one I am planning to get is the K5-IIs due to not having an Anti-Alising filter since due to this it is supposed to have more resolution (sharper details) and less noise than a 24MP's APS-C sensor. Plus due to the improvements in auto focus in lower light conditions and the better focus tracking. The only thing that people having other brands of camera use to complain about the K5. The issue of not having an articulating LCD is not important to me since I don't need (or want) an articulating LCD anyway except for turning the LCD backwards when not using the camera to protect the LCD. But I am going to wait a few months to see if Pentax decides to make a full frame version of the K5-IIs before I actually buy it because I already have too many APS-C cameras and the camera I really want to buy is a FF camera.

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babola
By babola (Sep 11, 2012)

Nope, sorry but the current best 16MP camera is Nikon d5100. Plenty of reviews, comparisons and feedback available on the net.

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JackM
By JackM (Sep 11, 2012)

babola, if you had said D7000 you might have an arguable point. I will take the K5 over the D5100 every time.

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Boris
By Boris (Sep 11, 2012)

The Nikon D5100 has far better AF system than the K5...very good C-AF...the only thing that the K5 has is much better built quality and a larger VF...IQ it is a tie. D5100 is 1/2 the price. I own both.

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writeB
By writeB (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry but JackM is right. K5 > D7000 > D5100

the D5100's AF is fine, but not the only part of the equation. Image quality for one where the K5 trumps both. (Image quality is arguably more important to people in photography. Just saying...). AF isn't garbage either, much improved over the K7 and fairly fast.

Overall, all are fine tools and in the right hands can get the job done.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Sep 11, 2012)

D5100, D7000, A-580 and K5 have same sensors. IQ is very similar.
And to babola; a D5100 is not even in the same league as K5 in spite of having same sensor. A camera is much more then sensor only.
Also that AF system in D5100 has only one cross type point (middle one) while K5 has 9 cross types. Also D5100 just like D90 from which it's AF is borrowed sucks at tracking AF just as much as K5.
Babola, it helps alot if one knows what ones talking about before coming out that strong and calling a D5100 "best 16MP camera out there".
How about Fuju X1 Pro or XE-1 ?Also 16MP and MUCH better IQ then any of cameras I mentioned here....
I shoot a D7000 and it is NOT best 16MP camera out there.

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pentaxination
By pentaxination (Sep 11, 2012)

Funny stuff. Hope you enjoy your beginner's DSLR.

By babola (2 hours ago)

Nope, sorry but the current best 16MP camera is Nikon d5100. Plenty of reviews, comparisons and feedback available on the net.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

Having used all of the above cameras, the two best are definitely the D7000 and K5, with a slight edge to the D7000 because of the better AF system.
The D5100 VF is too small and dark.

The XPro1 and XE1 have great IQ, but cannot compete with the 14 EV DR of the K5 and D7000. If you shoot a D7000 and don't realize that it's not in a least the top three 16 mp APS-C cameras out there, you are either overrating other cameras like the Fujis or underrating the D7000.

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ageha
By ageha (Sep 11, 2012)

The D5100 is a joke compared to the K-5.

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 11, 2012)

While I would agree that the AF-C of the D5100 might leave the K-5 crying in a corner...

...but the D5100 being equals the K-5 Classic in IQ? Wow, since when? The D7000 perhaps, but definitely NOT the D5100...

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CFynn
By CFynn (Sep 11, 2012)

@babola

At some point the D5100 may have been the best APS-C DSLR for the _price_ - but if it was actually better than the D7000 would anyone buy that camera? If the K5II now has an AF system that is as good as the D7000 (we need to wait and see if that is the case) then the K5II will clearly be better than the D7000 for all the other things that it offers that the D7000 doesn't have.

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dentaku
By dentaku (Sep 11, 2012)

"My camera's better than yours"
"You're wrong, my camera's better than yours"

There's no such thing as "the best camera", it all depends on the user's needs. Deal with it, buy a camera and take photos.

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DPNick
By DPNick (Sep 10, 2012)

Does the sensor still have the blue/red color problems of the K-5?
If so not interested.

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audijam
By audijam (Sep 10, 2012)

yawn....i am falling asleep just like pentax.
please give me the full frame body MZ-SD....please!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Sep 11, 2012)

I'd drool myself off the planet if they did that.

C

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Torturegarden
By Torturegarden (Sep 10, 2012)

I really want a IIs. Looks like a great camera. I'm still using my K10D and have been contemplating upgrading for quite some time. I am glad there is no articulating screen as is seems like more of a novelty feature. Now they just need to get rid of live view and video mode. Full frame would be nice as well.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 10, 2012)

Does it have focus peaking?

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 10, 2012)

No, it does not. It uses the old Prime II processor rather than than the new Prime M.

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Catalana
By Catalana (Sep 10, 2012)

Well, there it is. No need to get exited about the near future anymore. Thank you Pentax, for helping me make the decision to move to a system with a clear upgrade path. Weather sealing and ergonomics can only take you so far.

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pentaxination
By pentaxination (Sep 11, 2012)

not sure what this means. Clear upgrade path? Why should there be one at all? Do you and other of your ilk require a camera maker to tell them that they have to progress through a line of cameras so can achieve photography mastery? I don't think so. People get cameras based on: the available $$ they have, the level of interest they have, their perceived skill level to handled various cameras.

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dustybunter
By dustybunter (Sep 11, 2012)

Spot on, pentaxination.
Financially, I just can't buy/upgrade every time a new camera is released.
I've gone from K10 to K-5.

Still, some people have to buy an new I-phone every time it gets released, cus it makes their calls and emails so much better obviously.
Sarcasm intended.

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timo
By timo (Sep 11, 2012)

Unless you are an obsessive shopper/gearhead, why should a 'clear upgrade path' be decisive?

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ashwins
By ashwins (Sep 11, 2012)

K-5 and D7000 have been so far the best two APS-C cameras.

D5100 is lacking many important features (like AF motor, AF fine tune, etc.) which D7000 has and it is pretty sluggish in operations. Although it has the same great image quality as D7000, it's not in the same league.

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 11, 2012)

While having more features doesn't magically make you into a better photographer, to say that it's fine for a brand not to feel that it needs to progress is pure nonsense.

Take focus peaking, for instance. Many people have asked if this camera will have it. It won't, and never will, as supposedly, the old chip technology doesn't have that ability so a firmware update won't correct that.

While I'm not 100% sure that it definitely can't be done, it would seem that focus peaking is better than no focus peaking and CAN improve your shots. Same with a screen that can flip out. Same with a faster processor, etc, etc.

So yeah, the other companies are giving us better products faster. Do you need to buy every new version? No. Would it be nice to see a company at least try to improve? Yeah, I think so.

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Robbie Corrigan
By Robbie Corrigan (Sep 10, 2012)

Body works? Yep
Sensor works? Yep
Some want more sharpness? Ok we'll give them the option
AF in low light.. Lets tweak it
Add anti-glare to the rear screen..Done
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The K-5 is a good to great design, so they've given it a tune up.
I'll be getting an S :)
S!

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KnightPhoto2
By KnightPhoto2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Good suite of announcements from Pentax. Especially the non-AA camera and the 560mm.

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AndyPandi
By AndyPandi (Sep 11, 2012)

* Why I sold my Pro K-5 gear last year:

1. Body is too small for comfortable hold and fast access of far too small buttons.
2. Sensor, well not as good as FF, but ok for APS-C, not so good AWB and DR for shadows doesn't work.
3. Base sharpness raised to +1 , due to soft look.
4. Bad AF in low light, many times did not work at all with f/2.8 zoom lenses.
5. Needed to add extra screen protection to make it more robust for outdoor shoots.
6. Body feel solid, but other competitors are better. Buttons could be less clutter and bigger. There is much room for improvement.

* Why I will not be getting K-5 II S:
Due to old and unreliable AF f/2.8 pro zoom lenses I was unfortunate to use.

Pentax failed on updating their pro zoom lenses range with better internal AF system. NO wonder the K-5 II is selling with basic kit lens. Action, sport, wedding and street photographer have been left with no option but to switch to CANIKON. It is sad as I've always been a Pentaxian.

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (Sep 10, 2012)

If one needs good focus tracking and fast AF at this level he looks into Nikon land.
If one needs higher resolutin he can use the newer 24MP sensor and if the 100% IQ is not good enough to match the 16MP sensor, than a resized 20MP version will definitely outperform the 16MP without AA. The same is valid for printing the same size.
Just my opinion, I love Pentax and use it, so don't take it for trolling.

Cheers!

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MonkRX
By MonkRX (Sep 10, 2012)

I hate it when dpreview uses the phrase "the same sensor". Its been thrown around in reviews like the when comparing the K-5/K-x/K-r to the Nikon series.

If dpreview tosses around that phrase again, they should really back it up. Like, "The K5 II uses the same Sony IMX139LQJ Exmor CMOS (this is actually the model number for a smaller sensor) as the K5. Pentax reps say they've chosen a higher bin.." etc. Even something as simple as "Pentax confirms this is the same sensor". Or if dpreview has no idea, something simplier like "same resolution sensor as the K5". At least you leave the readers thinking "hey, it could perform better if they kept the resolution the same".

Otherwise, dpreview is potentially hurting the K5 II's press release. Many people attribute "same sensor" with "same performance". It could be very likely that this is a slightly better sensor. Combine that with the new processing, it could be half a stop or better in noise performance.

Anyway, just pointing that out.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 10, 2012)

We haven't said this is the same sensor.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 10, 2012)

Pentax said it's the same sensor:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=42456240

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

Of course it is the same sensor. You want Pentax to go back to Samsung or begs Canon or Panasonic for sensor?

Pentax is a worse brand than SONY so it should be a honor Pentax is using SONY sensor. Look how happy Olympus users are that E-M5 and the upcoming PENs have SONY sensor. Nikon and Leica are another matter....

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JustDavid
By JustDavid (Sep 11, 2012)

'Pentax is a worse brand than SONY' - very bold statement.
Translation: I know less about Pentax than about Sony...

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 11, 2012)

Pentax is a worse brand than SONY so it should be a honor Pentax is using SONY sensor. Look how happy Olympus users are that E-M5 and the upcoming PENs have SONY sensor. Nikon and Leica are another matter.... - Peiasdf

As a DSLR manufacturer, Sony IS the worse brand. It just happens that Pentax doesn't have its own sensor fab facilities. Sony's sensors are great yes, but if Pentax did make their own, then they wouldn't need Sony altogether. Nikon also uses Sony sensors, just to their "design", but Nikon don't have their own sensor factory either.

Guess what company makes sensors for the Leica M9? Truesense (formerly Kodak). On that note, why not get a Sony sensor then, if it will be "an honor"? lol...

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (Sep 11, 2012)

"Pentax is a worse brand than SONY so it should be a honor Pentax is using SONY sensor. Look how happy Olympus users are that E-M5 and the upcoming PENs have SONY sensor. Nikon and Leica are another matter...."

Olympus users are happy that there is a new sensor that performs well. They don't gif a thing who is the maker of it. Sony seems to be a nice sensor maker. To bad Sony can't produce nice camera's for their own sensors. Sony is a nice electronics company but not a photograph company. And even Sony users see it all the time with the lack of good lenses.

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry Pentax fanboys. It IS true that Sony is the better brand. So, if Pentax made sensors, then it wouldn't need Sony? Well, maybe. But guess what. Pentax doesn't make its own sensors, and Sony makes the best ones out there for them.

People knock Sony a lot for some reason, yet most of these people don't notice that the sensor inside their Nikon, Olympus, or Pentax camera is a Sony. And if you've ever used a camera like the Alpha 77, you wouldn't say that their camera builds can't hold up to Pentax. And I'm not even talking about the dreadful K-01 here. I'm saying in general.

Full disclosure: I own neither a Pentax nor a Sony, but I've tried out both and if I bought one or the other, well, you'd know which one I'd get.

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aceofspades
By aceofspades (Sep 11, 2012)

See the troll in its natural environment : he's got two people that like what he says. We're surrounded. It's too late.

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PicOne
By PicOne (Sep 10, 2012)

So.. produce a sensor and leave off the anti-aliasing filter, and you can charge more? How does this make sense?

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leopold
By leopold (Sep 10, 2012)

Nikon does the same thing but Pentax probably do the same thing and they have to put a filter with no AA capabilities . At least Pentax K5IIs is just 100$ more !

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viking79
By viking79 (Sep 10, 2012)

Nikon still uses an AA filter on the d800E, it has a second filter that undoes the AA filter effect, so it isn't cheaper. It should probably be the same price, but people are willing to pay it might as well charge for it.

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Albino_BlacMan
By Albino_BlacMan (Sep 10, 2012)

It has a filter that resharpens and image after it has been blurred? Can you back this up with a link because that doesn't sound possible to me...

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (Sep 10, 2012)

My guess is that unit volume has something to do with the price difference. Though the two cameras share all other components (also a guess) it seems they would be making less S model sensors, so it may cost more per model. Of course it could just be what they think the market will bare. Dang market!

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Bart Hickman
By Bart Hickman (Sep 10, 2012)

And they probably have a slightly different assembly line which will get lower volume and thus cost more per unit. Also, it costs extra money to manage two sensors in inventory vs one. Manufacturing is more complicated than most people realize.

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Greg Lovern
By Greg Lovern (Sep 11, 2012)

> It has a filter that resharpens and image after it has been blurred? Can you back this up with a link because that doesn't sound possible to me... <

Here's your link:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/3

And here they show the effect, which is very, very small:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/27

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Martin Grecner
By Martin Grecner (Sep 11, 2012)

This is a link to the Nikon D800E AA filter design:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features01.htm

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mgm2
By mgm2 (Sep 10, 2012)

Well done Pentax! and I like the naming convention. By keeping "K5" in the name it reminds the rest of the camera world (what we Pentax folks already know), that the K5 is a truly great camera worthy of continuation.

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viking79
By viking79 (Sep 10, 2012)

It also to me says this is basically the same camera with some improvements, really, the K-5 is like a K-7 II, but maybe they felt the sensor improvements justified a model change.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 10, 2012)

K-5 is no K-7 II - its not the same sensor.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Sep 10, 2012)

Looks like a further development of already highly regarded K5.

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ernieF
By ernieF (Sep 10, 2012)

No articulating LCD, and only a very slight warm over? I see an Olympus OM-D in my near future, but will keep at least one K5. Nothing to see here folks-- move along please.

Edit: price is good though and K5 IS an excellent APS-C DSLR.

Is there more to come from Pentax this Photokina?

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (Sep 10, 2012)

Personally, Ernie, I think the OM-D would make an excellent side kick to a K5 or any DSLR. I have an E-3 with brilliant lenses and an E-PL2. It's hard to decide if I should upgrade the DSLR or mirrorless first, but either way they are good complements. I was going to upgrade to an E-5, but now I'm thinking OM-D until the E-5 is selling really low. If I were in your shoes it would be OM-D now then K-5IIs in a year or two.

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steveh0607
By steveh0607 (Sep 10, 2012)

Sounds like a place holder to give Ricoh/Pentax some time to think about what direction they want to go.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 10, 2012)

Not time to think about it - time to complete it. We just don't know how far they have to go. They have to complete 2-3 more cameras - A 645D replacement, and one or two K-mount bodies - either one above the K-5II (probably FF), one below the K-30, or both.

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Robgo2
By Robgo2 (Sep 11, 2012)

I think you have it right. The K-5II is a small upgrade to maintain interest in the brand, while the K-3 is under development. I can see how it might be appealing to current owners of older Pentax cameras, switchers from other brands and newbies to the SLR world.

Rob

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Charles2
By Charles2 (Sep 10, 2012)

The K-5 has been wonderful and will remain so for me. Evolutionary changes will serve new buyers well.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 10, 2012)

Let's face it - sometimes the biggest changes look small at first. If the AF really is improved significantly - such as they claim for low-light shooting - it will make it much better for some shooters.

As we know, 24MP would grab attention, but these changes - if implemented well - will make a bigger difference. In fact, 16MP with no AA filter may turn out to be near-optimal - time will tell.

So while it's entirely possible it wouldn't help you, those who sometimes shoot sports, moving kids, and in low light could benefit greatly.

Since Pentax is class-leading in many other areas, if they can just get close to par in their weaker spots it will be huge for them in the long run.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Sep 10, 2012)

Pentax' already excellent lenses have just gotten sharper with the AA filter removed. It's a shame they charge extra to leave something out but there's serious potential for good jokes. "How much would it cost if you don't practice AND you don't play?" "You couldn't afford it". -- Chico Marx.

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dcdigitalphoto
By dcdigitalphoto (Sep 10, 2012)

If the implementation is like the D800E, they actually put another piece of glass in to counteract the effect of the AA filter rather than removing the AA filter. If they took the AA filter out it would mean a more substantial redesign.

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spqr_ca
By spqr_ca (Sep 10, 2012)

A correction filter seems likely and probably for much the same reason that Nikon listed. It would also explain the additional cost since it's not about taking away...

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 11, 2012)

As Pentax had no "in-depth explanation" regarding the removal of the AA filter, I'm forced to assume as of now that they really took out the AA filter, in opposition to the D800E adding an "undo" filter to the AA..

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dentaku
By dentaku (Sep 11, 2012)

Alizarine - you always quick to be "forced" into making such assumptions? It's only a few hours since the press release and you're already dismissing it.

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Pandoga
By Pandoga (Sep 11, 2012)

Nikon did this befor/d300&d300s/.
I think the change for more pixs is not the right way.
aps/c has arrived to its limits and if adding a few crowded pixels is what some need thennokia 808 has it.

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stuntmonkey
By stuntmonkey (Sep 10, 2012)

Similar pixel density to the D800e, was bound to happen on a 16mp+ crop sensor, though the modern ones seem to be already lighter on filtration than in the past.

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solarider
By solarider (Sep 10, 2012)

Focus peaking doesn't appear to be on these cameras? Too bad if that's the case.

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ageha
By ageha (Sep 11, 2012)

Yup.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (Sep 10, 2012)

It's not a new camera, it's an updated version of an existing one. Pretty much like what Canon did to the 7D, only without calling it II... The K-5 is great but is this enough?

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smile4max
By smile4max (Sep 10, 2012)

As for that price and its features, the K-5 doesnt need any improvements except the AF system. Let's wait and see the full review.

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Bart Roskam
By Bart Roskam (Sep 11, 2012)

It is a bit weird though that the K30, which is a class lower than the K5, beats the newer K5II at video specs and with focus peaking. I like it that they use the same body and at least a similar sensor, but not doing anything with the processor makes it a bit too close to the K5.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 10, 2012)

No articulated screen... bad move Pentax.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 10, 2012)

Best things never change much: proven designs and the articulation of the fools.

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zakaria
By zakaria (Sep 10, 2012)

well done keeping this perfect body and not using the sony 24 mp sensor. 16 mp sensor is trusted .

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 10, 2012)

I don't want an articulated screen. It's something that can pop out, flop around, and maybe break.

And this may not be fair, because they can be useful, but I associate them with cheaper cameras.

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T3
By T3 (Sep 10, 2012)

@DStudio - articulating screens don't just randomly pop out and flop around. LOL. And I've yet to see one on a DSLR break.

As for them being associated with cheaper cameras, the upcoming Sony A99 full frame flagship DSLR has an articulating screen.

Remember, people used to associate pop-up flashes with "cheaper cameras", too! And they used the same criticisms of built-in flashes as some people are doing now to articulating screens, like "they pop out, break, are associated with cheaper cameras. I don't want no stinkin' built-in flash on an SLR!"

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dcdigitalphoto
By dcdigitalphoto (Sep 10, 2012)

Pentax has consistently said they wont put in an articulating screen because it compromises the weather resistance of the body.

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anthony semone
By anthony semone (Sep 10, 2012)

I notice how much Bresson was negatively affected by the absence of an articulating screen. Oh, wait: he didn't even have one!!! My oh my

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Sep 10, 2012)

dcdigitalphoto, Pentax never said such a thing. If you claim otherwise, post a link.

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Scott Eaton
By Scott Eaton (Sep 10, 2012)

I love the idea of no AA filter, the lack of which can almost always be compensated for with PP. Why should every shot be 'dumbed down' just because you might be shooting a venetian blind at 100 meters.

I know a lot of people don't care about video, but I really wish Pentax would have really been radical and had 4:2:2 color compression mode for video. That feature alone would have wiped the floor with Canon's entire professional video line not to mention dSLR following.

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Sergeg
By Sergeg (Sep 11, 2012)

A very underwhelming release, why bother?
I upgraded from my K20D to the K-01 and K30 earlier this year.
Still have all 3, will keep the K30, Pentax had better come up with something really special to maintain the market share.

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (Sep 11, 2012)

"Pentax has consistently said they wont put in an articulating screen because it compromises the weather resistance of the body."

Seems like Olympus did the job with the E-3, E-5 and E-M5. Why can't Pentax?

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shawn in ak
By shawn in ak (Sep 12, 2012)

I'm glad not to see the articulating screen as I don't need it, and it compromises the WR. Plus, it's one more thing to break.

I love the K5 and I'm sure the K5II will be a fine camera for those needing a little better AF. Hopefully Pentax has another camera on the way, as these K5 IIs are a fairly underwhelming update.

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wepwawet
By wepwawet (Sep 17, 2012)

I wonder how many of the people who sing the praise of WR actually need WR in real life... I've brought all the non-WR cameras I have owned on long hikes, used them on beaches, in the rain, in tropical countries, and never had a problem. And I suspect 90% of people here never get to mistreat their gear more than that.

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