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Sigma US announces DP1 Merrill at $1000, arriving in mid September

By dpreview staff on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:00 GMT

Sigma Corportation of North America has announced that the DP1 Merrill will be available from mid September at a price of around $1000. The DP1M is the version of the company's fixed lens, APS-C compact camera with a 28mm equivalent, F2.8. It uses the same Foveon X3 sensor as the company's flagship SD1 DSLR, which captures three colors at each of its 14.6 million pixel sites. The quoted price is the camera's 'street price' reflecting what Sigma thinks the camera will actually sell for, rather than a more speculative recommended selling price.


Press Release:

Sigma Corporation announces pricing and availability of Sigma DP1 Merrill

New generation compact camera to hit US shelves in September for street price of $999

Ronkonkoma, NY, August 31, 2012 – Sigma Corporation of America (www.sigmaphoto.com), a leading researcher, developer, manufacturer and service provider for some of the world's most impressive lines of lenses, cameras and flashes, has announced that the Sigma DP1 Merrill compact digital camera will be available in the United States in mid-September for the street price of $999.

This upgraded, high-resolution, compact digital camera with a fixed lens is named in honor of Richard “Dick” Merrill, the co-creator of the Foveon X3 Direct Image Sensor technology that powers Sigma’s unique lineup of cameras. It differs from its predecessor, the DP1x, because its lens now includes one “F” Low Dispersion glass element to correct aberrations, and its resolution has grown by moving from Foveon’s 14.6-megapixel APS-C size image sensor to the 46-megapixel APS-C image sensor found in the company’s flagship SLR, the Sigma SD1 Merrill. The full-color Foveon X3 direct image sensor ensures outstanding resolution, richly gradated tones and images with a three-dimensional feel. A focus ring and custom Quick Set (QS) mode also improve the user interface.

“We are extremely pleased with the engineering and design involved in the upgrade of the DP1 Merrill,” said Mark Amir-Hamzeh, president of Sigma Corporation of America. “Its wide focal length, fixed lens and impressive sensor capture stunningly sharp images that are truly incredible, especially given the compact nature of the camera’s design.”

The Sigma DP1 Merrill boasts an exclusively designed, high-performance, telecentric 19mm F2.8 lens, which is the equivalent to a 28mm lens on a 35mm SLR camera.This camera differs from the DP2 Merrill, which was released in June, due to its wider focal length. The DP2 Merrill has a 30mm F2.8 lens, which is the equivalent to a 45mm lens on a 35mm SLR camera. Both cameras are compact and lightweight, and feature Super Multi Layer Coating to reduce flare and ghosting.

Other features of the Sigma DP1 Merrill camera include:

  • A dual, three-layer responsive ultimate (TRUE II) engine that now incorporates two TRUE II processors to improve the processing speed and overall quality of the final image
  • RAW and JPEG format recording to retain the full image detail of the utmost quality captured through the direct image sensor, as well as a JPEG recording format for convenience
  • Sigma Photo Pro processing software to convert RAW data quickly and easily
  • Manual focus for use when autofocus or focus-lock is not desired
  • Easy-to-use auto focus with a “nine-point select mode” which can select the desired focusing point from nine different frames, and a “free move mode” that allows shooters to select their desired focusing point
  • An advanced user interface complete with a custom QS menu and the metallic command dial to improve usability
  • Continuous shooting capabilities to capture up to seven RAW images per sequence
  • A large, highly visible, three-inch TFT color LCD monitor for great visibility
  • A hot shoe for the use of the dedicated external flashgun EF-140 DG (optional)
  • Movie mode for movie recording with VGA (640×480) size, with 30 shooting frames per second

For information about Sigma Corporation of America or information about the companies cameras and lenses, visit www.sigmaphoto.com.

Comments

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HBowman
By HBowman (Aug 31, 2012)

A whole trolling mafia work against SIGMA here ? Just to be clear none of many of the trolls over here are notorious in photography, just anonymous ppl.

Lets get this clear >>

Steve Huff find the camera kinda clunky (DP2m, the 1m is the same with another focal) but he is awesomed by the IQ.

His words :

"Id say that this lens and sensor are a perfect match and will give equal or better detail and DR than even an M9 with good glass. Corner to corner is sharp and the detail is amazing as are the tones (see the full size ship image). If it were responsive or even snappy I would own it. It could be used as sort of a view camera as we all know those are NOT speedy and meant for a certain type of photography. Great camera and amazing output"

Mr Reichmann from luminous landscape is also amazed by the IQ and say :

I have to say that I am knocked-out by the image quality ... this is not a camera for pussys.

I guess there is a load of pussys on this forum :D

22 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 4, 2012)

That really goes both ways. There's a set of people that seem to go on an elitist banter about the Sigma ignoring any cons, and promoting the brand virtually working for the company. Fortunately some new DP2M/Foveon owners seem more clear-headed. The term SigMafia didn't come out of nowhere after all and it's been around for years now.

2 upvotes
doctorbza
By doctorbza (Aug 31, 2012)

this camera isn't for me, but if i was a landscape photographer i'd be pretty interested. not having to haul all your crap through the woods/fields/trails/etc. is certainly worth the price. if you can spring for an $800 carbon fiber tripod to lighten your load then putting this little sigma on top also seems like it'd be a worthwhile expenditure. i hope sigma does well with this. i also hope they get some functional firmware and software for the rest of us.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Aug 31, 2012)

At the risk of stating the obvious, omitting a zoom, by itself, will be unacceptable to most people. Lamenting the fact that it does not offer anything from sweep panoramas to a built-in phone with hologram generator is really beside the point. It will either give better image quality in exchange for the inconveniences and price or it won't. This is a bad analogy, but shooting 4x5 is slow and a hassle but people did it, and some still do. Why?

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Les Lammers
By Les Lammers (Sep 1, 2012)

but shooting 4x5 is slow and a hassle but people did it, and some still do. Why?

Because the IQ can be stunning. This camera will do it for $1000 and it is compact. I think I want one but will wait and see....

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Blondesailor
By Blondesailor (Aug 31, 2012)

Deeply impressed with the IQ. If only filters could be used.

2 upvotes
sirkhann
By sirkhann (Aug 31, 2012)

49mm filter size thread at your disposal on the lens. No adapters.

5 upvotes
HBowman
By HBowman (Aug 31, 2012)

And filters can be screwed under the lens hood.

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km25
By km25 (Aug 31, 2012)

The bottom line is that. The Foveon Proceesor has a very intresting design. It is not really 46mp. It is about 15mp. It is 48mp actual, 46 used and it comes out to be 15/16mp. It appears to give images up to ISO 200, at ISO 400 all of it's goodness is gone. Beyond that, it is usesless.ERGO a 200 max. camera. The camera looks to be made well, but not very advanced as modern autofocus camera go. Simga is a thrid party lens maker. They make good lens, some even excellent. The are not on the level of Leica, Fuji or Zeiss. They may come up to the level Nikon, Canon and Sony ( Non Zeiss-Minolta for those who remembers).
This all being said, great ISO 100 proceesor in a poorly designed well made camera with a so so lens. A one trick poney for someone who wants to shoot what the camera will tell you can shoot. Nice idea for about $700. Bottom line a nice image producer, but a poor over all photograhic tool. I would say Lecia X2 and for sure A X-Pro in the same arena.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Aug 31, 2012)

Everyone here knows its (obviously) not 46mp so there's no need to comment on that. The rest is pure speculation on your part, although it may turn out the one thing you are correct about is poor performace at high ISOs.

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sirkhann
By sirkhann (Aug 31, 2012)

It is ISO200 natively, you shoot at ISO100 and lose one EV of DR. You can print your walls with this amount of detail.

And I belive X-Pro's X-Trans sensor is much better balanced. Still X-Pro is to be refined too.

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LaFonte
By LaFonte (Aug 31, 2012)

The lens on the old dp1 and dp2 was not "so so", it was actually pretty sharp and at that time quite impressive. It is only reasonable to expect that the lens on merrill will be equally good.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 1, 2012)

you must be a Fuji, Leica or Zeiss fan, as it seems to me. What you write is speculative, the foveon issue :3 is known, so comment useless. Now, concerning your Leica, Fuji, Zeiss concern, I ow a NEX-7 and some adapters and a shitload of lenses. I just wait you to come up with any Leica or Fuji and we can go for a ride or walk. Believe me I am so scared that I am trembling at the idea to face a Leica on the field, hahahaha.
Oh, just I forgot, I have a Fuji too, the NEX just smiles at that dusty thing.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Sep 1, 2012)

Anyone who thinks the lenses on Sigma's DP series of cameras are "so so" obviously doesn't have much experience with them. It's a ridiculous statement.

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km25
By km25 (Sep 3, 2012)

The Fuji and the Leica use no AA filter. The two companies make "world class" lens. Per MP without the AA images are much sharper. Fuji uses the new Bayer patern.
I will say it once again, the camera is A ISO 100/200 camera. The sensor is in a very poor camera. The lens is of good, but not great sharpness. It is worth no more the $700.00 and has appears to me have very limit use. It is a point and shoot with a
good sensor if you have the Foot Candles.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Aug 31, 2012)

With my Pana GF1 w/20mm lens I routinely get 30x40 cm prints and don't even want to print anything smaller. So that is why this DP1 piqued my interest.

In other words, in the dpr review I'd like to see the largest recommended print size.

2 upvotes
Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Aug 31, 2012)

I'd love to see that Foveon sensor patent bought and enhanced by Sony and housed in an A77F and NEX-7F !!

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Sep 1, 2012)

.. or by Pana, Oly... That is, when is Foveon going to slip into the public domain?

The thing is energy, though. Each pixel needs to eat photons and that's my guess why the ISO is so low. And if each color is on top of the next color, each pixel needs to be narrow band -- else the last (third) pixel might see but, say, 1/8th of the light's energy of the first.

So it is likely even an established sensor maker such as Sony might have difficulty putting this sensor into mainstream. A very high lens speed (1.4?) would certainly help and this favors the m4/3.

So,

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km25
By km25 (Sep 3, 2012)

No you not! Sony makes great sensors on their own. Unless some greta change is made, at ISO 100/200, it is a poor over all sensor. I would put my money on the minds at Sony.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Aug 31, 2012)

My predictions:

The Sigma fans will swear that the image quality from this P&S camera tops anything else, due to it's unique "film like quality." Everyone else will have a good laugh.

After the initial batch of suckers buy this P&S camera for $1000, Sigma will announce that they have "made manufacturing efficiencies" and are lowering the price of a new version of this camera (the DP1M2) to $349.85.

Those who paid $1000 for the camera will get a free camera strap with the Sigma "Dick " logo on it, if they send in their proof of purchase and original receipt.

18 upvotes
pentaxination
By pentaxination (Aug 31, 2012)

good call.

3 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Aug 31, 2012)

As long as you are not concerned with high iso then yes it will top everything else in such a small package. If you put the same effort into objectively evaluating exactly why that would be the case as you do in showing anti-Sigma bias then you would come to the same conclusion.

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marike6
By marike6 (Aug 31, 2012)

And why is it people, or as you call them "suckers" should be interested in your angry prediction?

Do you honestly think it's costs $349 to manufacturer a camera containing Sigma's top-of-the-line sensor?

Don't know why people feel so compelled to bash cameras they've never used. Like the Ricoh GR series, the Sigma DP series has a loyal following. Because they have quirks, doesn't mean they don't makes gorgeous images. If this new model is not for you or doesn't suit your photography, move on and let others enjoy a camera they might be interested in.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Aug 31, 2012)

Considering you can't buy the older and smaller DP1x for $349, I'd say you're quite an oracle.

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Fotograafje
By Fotograafje (Aug 31, 2012)

Well, the quality is indeed hard to beat. If I compare my dp2s shots with the shots of a Canon 7d, I still prefer the dp2s pictures. Though my Dp2s is outdated in terms of specs. but the picture is more apealing (of course this is a matter of personal taste). I have seen some samples of the new sensor, and it seems to be amazing. I thing the dp1 and dp2 Merrill will outperform most APS-C sensored cameras in terms of image character, quality and overall sharpness.
Sigma is not the kind of manufacturer which launches a new model every year. So, it is inevitable prices will drop within three years. In that time Canon will have launched two new models in all their ranges...
Of course the pricing of their SD1 was too optimistic, an insight which resulted in a dramatic price-drop (new manager).

5 upvotes
sirkhann
By sirkhann (Aug 31, 2012)

Well, nicely said from a man who is using Olympus, actually. :D

Will your favourite Olympus give you any change for their overpriced E-5/E-3/E-30/OM-D E5 with tiny little sensor? And 5-year old Sigma sensor by Mr. "Dick" as you call it still beats best Olympus 4/3 sensors. Ooops.

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HBowman
By HBowman (Aug 31, 2012)

Dear Marty (Or I should say pompous king of Morons) I'm happy to be a sucker who paid 1 grand on a DP2m and selling my photos even to Dior or D&G.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Aug 31, 2012)

Hmmmm... they may laugh ... but when it comes to sharpness and acutance ... nothing the size of DP1M and DP2M will beat them for a while to come.

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macjonny1
By macjonny1 (Sep 1, 2012)

one of the best posts I've read!

1 upvote
leventhan
By leventhan (Sep 2, 2012)

LOL Marty the king of morons. Check his flickr guys LOL.

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L Tippett
By L Tippett (Sep 3, 2012)

Sorry Matey.

Try the camera before posting such rubbish.
Trust me the output from the Foveon imager is very very good and when printed there is little that can match it for IQ period.
The points reward for the people that bought the SD1 at full price was the right thing to do in my opinion and something other camera manufacturers could learn from.
I have used Sigma kit now for 8 years and have NO regrets at all.
Have a look at some of my images if you want i'm no Ansel Adams but i do sell my work.
http://www.leatippett.com/

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km25
By km25 (Sep 3, 2012)

At that price I would buy the next coming out with a wider lens. The it would be worth the money. As they say in England, Here, Here.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 4, 2012)

I really think you are way off on this one Marty. I mean the price, and lowering it. Yes, there are a set of Foveon religious fanatics, but taking those out, I still think the camera has a set of pros for some domains where it does very well.

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NeilJones
By NeilJones (Aug 31, 2012)

All the complaints about the cost. I just bought the Sony Carl Zeiss 24mm 1.8 lens for my Nex 5n. That little lens cost me $1100! I can buy this whole sigma setup for $1000. Not that bad in the big scheme of things!

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pentaxination
By pentaxination (Aug 31, 2012)

first, laying out $1,000 lens for the 5n is diminishing returns. Secondly, considering purchasing the 20-something megapixel compact with a paltry feature set for $1,000 shows there are never too few ways to part a fool from his money.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

You are comparing an F1.8 Sony/CZ lens to an F2.8 Sigma lens?????? Good call.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Aug 31, 2012)

@ Francis Carver

What's wrong with making that comparison? Sigma has outstanding lenses on their DP series of cameras. I have little doubt that those prime lenses can match the best out there.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Aug 31, 2012)

I never, ever thought I could find anythng good to say about a Sigma product (and I cringe when somebody spends good money on their SLR lenses) but facts are facts and the lens on my DP1 is first class.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 4, 2012)

@Basalite- I think at least one point is, you really can't compare a slower lens to a faster one as if they where equal like that. Obviously the faster lens is harder to design and provides (assuming the lens quality is good), advantages in lower light shooting and DOF control.

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Devendra
By Devendra (Aug 31, 2012)

please don't lynch it even before using it tho.. :)

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Aug 31, 2012)

LOL....looks like Sigma didn't learn anything from the SD1 fiasco. 'Yes, come buy our Foveon sensor...for 1 BILLION dallars' (done in best Dr Evil voice).

They aren't going to sell many of these for $1000. People are going to try and compare it to an X100 but they are totally different beasts...the X100 is much more capable.

Read the reviews on the DP2 and you will see that the Sigma is so slow it's basically useless for anything but static objects at base ISO. If landscapes are your thing than this DP1 might be nice....other than that...who knows.

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sirkhann
By sirkhann (Aug 31, 2012)

So is Medium Format for last 100 years, but it is still here. By the way I'm also considering a Mamiya RZ67. Yummy.

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mosc
By mosc (Aug 31, 2012)

Is anybody else struck by the similarities in light gathering between the RX-100's f4.9 equivalent and the DP1m's f4.2 at 28mm? Except one is physically much smaller, zooms, costs less, etc. I doubt the sensor is better in the Sigma at ISO 1600+ either. Doubt we'll see a multi-shot-and-merged low light mode. In low light, it's out done by a cheaper ZOOM!

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ChristianHass
By ChristianHass (Aug 31, 2012)

Sure, but at low ISO the RX100 isn't even anywhere close.
That's what the DP2M is made for.

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beckmarc
By beckmarc (Aug 31, 2012)

Sigmas dp series cameras are specialised cameras which are not designed to be good all round cameras. Clearly an Sony RX100 is a much better all round camera. The sigma is best bought as an extra camera to use along side your other kit and shoot with it in the right conditions

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alfpang
By alfpang (Aug 31, 2012)

Been waiting for a high IQ, handy and affordable Foveon camera for ages. (Film-like digital capture ftw!)

Bumping it up to APC-S does it for me. I'm on the hunt for a unit of this.

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jackgreen
By jackgreen (Aug 31, 2012)

It it's faster than previous model, I'm a taker.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Aug 31, 2012)

The DP2M is faster than the old DP2 series.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Aug 31, 2012)

Ok wait so your saying this is a compact camera with a 46 megapixel APS-C sized sensor, and a prime 28mm lens! I think Sigma just found them selves a new customer lol!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

Wow, if this is indeed a 46MP camera (instead of what the article introducing the Sigma press release states, which is 14.6MP), and 46MP in an APS-C size imager, then I don't quite expect the camera will function too well past ISO100, well maybe ISO200.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Aug 31, 2012)

Are you just a DP troll? Seriously... Also before you try and troll me, get your facts straight. Quoted directly from sigmas webpage "Same Foveon X3 46megapixel Direct Image sensor as the SD1 DSLR camera". Its " which captures three colors at each of its 14.6 million pixel sites" which is what your stating is the Megapixel rating, which is wrong. Thanks and come again...

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Aug 31, 2012)

Sigh - the megapixel discussion ...

Its of course a 15 MP sensor, as it has 15 million full color pixels. Everything else is just marketing BS. That it has 46 million detectors is just an implementation detail. If it had 15x10 million detectors (for technical reasons) would not make anyone call it a 150 MP sensor, would it? Its trivial for the Foveon sensor.

If you want something more challenging - discuss the MP count for Bayer sensors :)

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Shapes
By Shapes (Sep 1, 2012)

Wow now i feel stupid haha! Touche, never heard if this before at all. Guess I still have a lot learn, whoops. I still think that Francis Carver is an annoying troll with no life though haha.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 1, 2012)

@ Shapes: Depending where you look, Sigma is freely advertising this camera s having a 46MP sensor.... a 14.6MP sensor.... and probably some o0her pixel count sensors as well, like 15MP or 16MP.

Maybe it is the world's first interchangeable sensor digital camera, could it be? Heck, since you cannot interchange the lens, at least you should be able to change the sensor in it, what do you say?

Now, let's assume for a moment that it is only a 14.6 Megapixel sensor camera with an APS-C physical size imager, okay? Why I that unique? When most of the other APS-C sensor digital cameras on sale these days come with 16MP or higher pixel count imagers?

Mr. or Mrs. Shape, Sigma is probably looking for you as their ideal buyer.... not quite understanding what exact megapixel camera they are buying for their thousand dollars, he-he-he.

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danniii
By danniii (Sep 2, 2012)

There are three numbers you need to be aware of 46mp - this is the amount of data that is collected from the sensor, 15mp this is the number of pixels that show up in the final image and 25-30mp which is about how the camera performs relative to most other cameras on the market. The difference is that this camera samples 36bits per pixel whereas most cameras sample 12-14 bits.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Sep 3, 2012)

@Francis Carver Haha more than likely, I can admit I am wrong and I am ok with that. Your still a troll though XD.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

Wow, one thousand American dollars sounds like a pretty darn decent price for it. Although there are other makers with fixed lens, no viewfinder P&S models costing around a hundred bucks.

After all, it's only a matter of zeros. Of course, this Sigma model has some mind-bending specs, yessirie!

Like, it has a whopping 3-INCH LCD SCREEN, yessirie!!! That is so large, right?

Not only that, according to the press blurb it can also record video at the unprecedented resolution of 640 x 480 pixels -- wow, that is "True VGA," correct? So much past 4K, it's not even funny.

Congrats to Sigma of Japan, they have really cornered the $1,000 digital camera market worldwide with this truly impressive beast.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Aug 31, 2012)

Its a camera.... for taking photos.... not a video camera hurp-a-Durp!

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (Aug 31, 2012)

Mr Carper has no life. Pay him no heed.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Aug 31, 2012)

lol I was actually reading some of his posts and I believe you are correct, haters gonna hate.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 1, 2012)

Hey, Mr. or Mrs. Shape, this Sigma here is really a 46 MEGAPIXEL camera, you know. You really need to buy one or two, you know. There are so few 46 Megapixel APS-C cameras are out there to choose from, you know. Good deal (for you) for just a thousand shekels, you know. You're welcome.

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Shapes
By Shapes (Sep 4, 2012)

Hey Francis Carver, you know?

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VadymA
By VadymA (Aug 31, 2012)

At first I thought ILC body would make much more sense with this camera. But then people would demand better speed, low light, faster lens, AF, etc, etc. Sigma probably realize that they are not able to deliver all of that (at least now) and prefer to stick with the niche market for landscapers. Still kudos to Sigma from me for keeping Foveon alive. Hard to believe they are making any profit on it though but at least Foveon makes photography "landscape" more interesting...

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 31, 2012)

Sigma is already a member of 4/3 standard, and has a couple lenses for m43 system, they could make a m43 camera.

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alfredo_tomato
By alfredo_tomato (Sep 1, 2012)

I have a 19mm 2.8 and I'm pleased. It's the same lens you see on the DP2M.

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SheikYerbouti
By SheikYerbouti (Aug 31, 2012)

Wouldn't it have been nice if Sigma had equipped this gem of a camera with a proprietary mount (no compatibility necessary) and supplied it together with a set of four high quality f/2.8 pancake lenses (24mm, 35mm, 55mm/macro, 85mm), all nicely arranged in a velvet lined gift box for, let’s say, £1199.99?

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Aug 31, 2012)

Maybe for $2199 that would even be possible ...
.. but yes, nice it would be.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Aug 31, 2012)

I have just read the short review of DP2 Merril from Steve Huff - really pity that the performance (apart from IQ) so bad is. The IQ is really amazing (just keep it under ISO 800). But yes - even for the IQ itself the camera is tempting.

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beckmarc
By beckmarc (Aug 31, 2012)

I have a feeling sigma lacks the resources to fully exploit the foveon sensor technology. That is they don't have the cash to design the other technology to make the dp series better all round cameras

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Sep 1, 2012)

@beckmarc - partly true IMHO. They do lack the resources. But - they also have a genuine preference for simplicity. A simple camera is easier to use.

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winkalman
By winkalman (Aug 31, 2012)

Medium format digital $10,000+
Nikon D800 $3,000
Sigma DP1m $1,000

Seems like a bargain to me. If you'd rather have an entry level dSLR or mirrorless ILC that's fine, but to get the level of image quality the Sigma is capable of those are your options.

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sirkhann
By sirkhann (Aug 31, 2012)

How pitty, all these people that call themselves "photographers" are just lusting for 20 fps, endless buffer, 5mm-1000mm/F1.4 zoom lenses.

The cold simple fact is that this little camera costs just as much as a comparable quality lens and weights much less. Still, it will put your precios 5D3 to shame for landscape, making you realize that your $3.5k camera and your $1.5k crappy 16-35/2.8 cound never reach the "already dead DP1m" in image quality, sharp edge to edge.

This camera just screams "landscape", equally good for achitecture or taking great pictures when you want to travel light.

If you cannot feel this camera, then you are a "Facebook" kind of photographer.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Aug 31, 2012)

"Comparable quality lens"? How about the exact same lens. This used the Sigma 19mm f2.8 that is available for NEX and m43 mounts. That's far from $1000.

I think most people understand what makes Foveon special. It is just hard to pay more for a stripped down camera. This is basically a one-trick pony competing with some very versatile options at lower prices.

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T_O_M_E_K
By T_O_M_E_K (Aug 31, 2012)

It is not the same lens. Only the focal length is.
Look at lens specs for DP1M here:
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/dp1-merrill-compact-digital-camera
and for 19mm F2.8 EX DN here:
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/19mm-f28-ex-dn
Main difference that I can see right away is lens construction and number of diaphragm blades.
Sigma DP1M has 9 elements in 8 groups vs 8 elements in 6 groups on the lens for NEX and m43. DP1M also has 9 diaphragm blades vs 7 on 19mm F2.8 EX DN.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 31, 2012)

Seems like from reading YOUR post, its for arrogant little twits who like to feel special. Fact is, the image is good, but NO better than a 5D3, or D800 just to mention a couple, and its still a one trick pony. as a second cam for a photographer, sure. But sigma has had the better part of a decade and still has not found away to take this sensor mainstream, with basic stuff like AF and ISO above 400. Every year or two i think they are going to give it a go, and then they embarres them selves, especially with their pricing.

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KAllen
By KAllen (Aug 31, 2012)

My favourite camera is a one trick pony. When shooting for fun I enjoy having a camera with one fixed lens. It makes you study the subject for sure. Better than a so called walk about lens i.e. a lens that zooms around so you don't have to walk about.
It's on my list. That and a 1D C.

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Robert F. Tobler
By Robert F. Tobler (Aug 31, 2012)

@tkbslc: the DP1M has a different lens than whats available for NEX and m43. The DP1M lens is more optimized for the foveon sensor which needs a heavily telecentric design. If you compare the Sigma 19mm on the NEX-7 to the Sigma DP1M, the DP1M wins by a wide margins in terms of corner sharpness and correction of CA. (If you search hard enough with google, you can find samples.)

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Aug 31, 2012)

I bet this cam can catch two people making out on the other side of the square .. .. Yeah, a trick or two cam.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Aug 31, 2012)

@ sandy b

No, the Canon 5D3 does not match the Sigmas with the new sensor. I have compared endless amounts of raw images from the Canon and the Sigma is still obviously recording obviously superior detail. Only the Nikon 800 matches, at over 3 times the cost, it but it also has the same image degrading issues that all cameras with Bayer sensors do.

The Sigmas may not have the best features of other cameras but they offer something that is rare today in photography, an emphasis on maximizing image quality. For people that still value that the Sigmas will still be their only affordable choice.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 31, 2012)

Basalite,I have looked at raws when the latest generation came out and they are very good, but IMO I ceratinly wouldnt judge them superior to the best dslrs. Which is pretty high praise IMO. I was taking issue more with the tone of Sikahns post.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Aug 31, 2012)

What's funny is that people were lining up to buy a similar camera from Fujifilm for $1200+. Sigma just needed to go with 60's rangefinder styling and an optical finder and photo-nerds would be all over it! :)

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mbpm
By mbpm (Aug 31, 2012)

Well, Fuji also offers a little bit more than just the retro look and optical finder, like wide angle conversion lenses for their X100's. If you scroll down you will see my thoughts about the pricing.

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solsang
By solsang (Aug 31, 2012)

I fully agree, with an optical viewfinder i would love to try this camera, with a rangefinder definitely use it, have been pondering the x10/x100 yet lack of manual focus is a no-go!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Aug 31, 2012)

Cough. I feel like I just got a physical.

Sigma, Sigma, Sigma.

I'm at a loss of words.

Carl

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

Don't worry, it has Faveon, and that must account for around 900 shekels of the US$999 "street price" of this amazing thing.

I am actually getting one just for my videography needs -- it is so hard to find a new digital camera model that can actually record the preciously un-imaginable 640 x 480 VGA resolution, phew...

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Aug 31, 2012)

LOL- Sarcasm radar just blew up on my end :) Love it.

I thought Sigma was nuts with the SD1 and then later came to their senses, but this confirms the intial reaction still holds true.

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Aug 31, 2012)

This is a specialist's tool expected to be sold at low volume. For a photographer carefully and patiently framing their shots, I'm sure this camera will produce wonderful images that are unparalleled in its form factor. If I had a bottomless purse I'd probably want to own one.
That said, however, I'm not the target audience for this camera. But to trash the camera because it doesn't have blazing fast AF or competent video is a misunderstanding.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Aug 31, 2012)

And thats the point, almost nobody has a bottomless purse these days :). Not as if this is a totally void market this camera is positioned in, clearly there are other alternatives :).

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Aug 31, 2012)

I have no problem with the sensor and it's limitations. I do with the rest of the camera. There is no excuse for such slow performance, especially the af when a multitude of very cheap p+s cameras do much better. Sigma just cheaps out on processor speed and development effort. I know it's a low-volume camera, but nothing in this camera besides the sensor is unusual. I also have problems with the often-inaccurate color. I have yet to see tests of this model, but their other recent models have shown little improvement, with weird color casts the norm in all but the brightest conditions. This sensor is capable of so much (though it isn't magic) , but Sigma seems unable to take advantage of it.

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Alex Mylnikov
By Alex Mylnikov (Aug 31, 2012)

I still do not understand how your problems related to the Sigma. If you do not like DP1m - it is fine, but why so many words about nothing.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 1, 2012)

I have a bottomless purse, I can see in it every day and find endless darkness, never found any bottom or money, but that can occur some day, who knows. In every darkness there comes a light with GOD's will, hahahahaha

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tomservo33
By tomservo33 (Aug 31, 2012)

The sale of these cameras seems to be some kind of half-hearted Beta-test for a very small test market? They can't really believe that they will recoup the R&D costs but perhaps they could stimulate interest with a limited time (holidays) price drop to $499 US and they could move some product. Or, maybe they need to just license this inovative sensor to the big boys who have great feature set cameras already...and it would be incredible for serious video applications, in the right body.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Aug 31, 2012)

I am glad we still have brands trying to do things differently, but this is even more of a niche product than the Ricoh GXR.

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NeilJones
By NeilJones (Aug 31, 2012)

Looks good. I'm getting one to try out.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 31, 2012)

Fixed lens with fixed focal length... practically useless. And for $1000????

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Aug 31, 2012)

FYI many photographers prefer to shoot with fixed focal length lenses (primes) as they have many advantages over zoom lenses, and while they make more sense on an interchangeable lens camera many fixed focal length compacts like the Fuji X100 have sold very well.

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Felts
By Felts (Aug 31, 2012)

Peevee1: "...practically useless" is one way to describe your opinion on the matter.

I love the idea of the camera myself.

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Fotograafje
By Fotograafje (Aug 31, 2012)

That's not a well founded response. The products of Sigma are -as earlier mentioned- not everybodies cup of tea. But for me the Sigma Dp1s and Dp2s still produce fantasic images.
The Foveon sensor is only found in these camera's and creates unique images. Very sharp and very accurate. The images are sharp , corner to corner. That's what you get for your 1000 dollar. If it's too expensive, buy a Sigma Dp1x and wait for about two years and the new DP1 Merrill will be about 400 dollars.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

Maybe Sigma and/or DP Review have got the price mixed up -- isn't it going to be $99 instead of $999? :-)

"The Foveon sensor is only found in these cameras..."

So true. That is because Sigma will not license it to any other company. Or else because no other camera maker is interested in licensing it from them. Either way. it's just no good.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (Aug 31, 2012)

I paid US $1500 for my X100 when it came out. The IQ is excellent and the low light abilities amazing but for landscape work (which I do a fair bit of) I would love this little beauty to supplement my X100 and 5D MK1. Blown away by the images on Steve Huffs website. Haven't seen much impressive from the SD1. This sensor seems to NEED a prime lens. The DP merills will not be versatile but for IQ bang for your buck - hard to beat.

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (Aug 31, 2012)

$1000 thats very expensive..i would rather buy another 7D or 60D as a second camera..they are idiots..and for sigma??? no thanx

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Aug 31, 2012)

Well they weren't targeting you then. And now that I could find stores trying to get rid of their stock of 60Ds and pushing them below $600 it's not a very good "I'd rather" comparison.

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txabi
By txabi (Aug 31, 2012)

WOW, $1000? DP1M was just shot dead. There's reviews online already about the DP2M with the EXACT same conclusions as DP1 - DP2: amazing IQ, horribly slow performance & battery life.

This camera should have been priced between $500-$750, even then it would be a tough sell - and I love the Foveon sensor look, but get real, as long as Sigma doesn't get these cameras to perform in a speedy fashion, forget about it, nobody will buy them and they'll remain niche modes.

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Dianoda
By Dianoda (Aug 31, 2012)

Yep, it will remain niche, and that really is a shame. If you could transplant one of these sensors to a modern day Canon/Nikon/Sony DSLR, they'd sell like hotcakes (or at least they would with photographers who place high value on the ultimate IQ of a camera).

Imagine a 7D/A77/D300s or MFT/NEX with one of these sensors - even if FPS were down a bit, it'd still be one sweet camera if it could match the general performance and responsiveness you get from pretty much every other camera maker.

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Fotograafje
By Fotograafje (Aug 31, 2012)

It's the Foveon technique wich is very processor-demanding. If you want to buy a fast camera, Sigma is not the equipment you're looking for. If you want amazing pictures wich can be upscaled easily, Foveon (Sigma dp1 merrill or sigma Sd1) is worth concidering.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Aug 31, 2012)

You got it! The cameras are crude, overpriced and almost unbelievably s-l-o-w. No zoom, either. Oh yeah, battery life is almost non-existent. If I were doing test reports (why not, I have a computer) I would weight image quality 90% and everything else would be secondary. But that's not what most people want.

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Alex Mylnikov
By Alex Mylnikov (Aug 31, 2012)

Sorry, if you do not like this camera, why you want priced it at $500. I may be do not understand something, but if I do not like something, I don't like it - period. And why I should tell everybody about this. Too many things that I do not like ... Messages like that you sent, for example :-)

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obeythebeagle
By obeythebeagle (Aug 31, 2012)

The images on their website are mind-blowing, and look 46 meg to me. I have read about this processor, but never looked at the photos.

They look better than the Nikon 800 or Sony Nex7 test shots I took recently. The textures are amazing and 3d. It is reminiscent of a medium format blad image vs a 35mm photo.

If image quality is everything, this camera is surprisingly impressive. The main draw back to the Nikon 800 is its size and weight. If this really delivers 46 meg performance in a compact camera, then as rpt mentioned, it does deserve a red dot on the front!

Must find a camera store that carries this and put a sd card in for some test shots. Drool worthy.

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Dianoda
By Dianoda (Aug 31, 2012)

There are a few reviews floating around for the brother of this camera - the Sigma DP2 Merrill (which is for all purposes identical, other than having a 45mm equivalent lens instead of 28mm equivalent lens in the DP1).

The camera is easy to profile - absolutely brilliant, mind-blowing image quality at low ISOs (great sharpness, DR, tonality, etc. - and it gets even better in RAW), but lackluster image quality at medium to high ISOs, and the performance of the camera leaves very much to be desired - the camera's AF is extremely slow to lock and it takes about 18 seconds for the camera to write a RAW file to the memory card. It also eats through batteries - so Sigma includes two with every DP1/DP2 they ship.

That said, there is a certain type of photographer that will love this camera, or at least be patient enough to put up with what the camera lacks in high-ISO IQ and general performance speed because of the combination of low-ISO IQ and overall size of the camera.

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mbpm
By mbpm (Aug 31, 2012)

I know it's a ASP-C Foeveon sensor on a compact camera and all....heck, I don't even mind the overpriced value on this thing.
*Sigh* But, "movie recording with VGA (640x480)," SERIOUSLY?!
Recording with the DP1 Merrill will be like recording with a potato rather than recording with a expensive camera. They might as well dropped any recording capabilities altogether rather than providing the consumers with such a cheap option.
At $1K I expect this camera to come with diamonds!

In all seriousness, I know that the DP1 Merrill is akin to the Fuji x100, but the x100 just offers more for the buck: a Hybird view finder, a sick retro look, die-cast magnesium alloy body, threaded button for mechanical shutter release, and let's not forget Full HD video recording!
The only thing the x100 does not offer is the beastly 46mp ASP-C Foveon sensor. So, question is: will consumers buy the SD1 M for $2K or DP1 for $1K? But let's be honest, is the Foveon sensor really worth every (highly priced) penny?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 31, 2012)

VGA at 640 x 480 is the new 4K in top-notch videography, I should think.

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Thomas Kachadurian
By Thomas Kachadurian (Aug 31, 2012)

Ho hum. It won't sell at $300.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 31, 2012)

That's funny the DP2x sells for more.

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mbpm
By mbpm (Aug 31, 2012)

@howaboutraw, hmmm, what's funny is that only people willing to spend so much for a overpriced-piece-of-point-and-shooter can afford it. And I seriously doubt you can :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 2, 2012)

mbpm:

How would you know what I can afford? You don't and that's not really the point, the point you still haven't addressed it that the DP2sx sells.

At lowish ISOs the colour from Foveon sensors is great. Unfortunately I shoot in dark indoor settings.

Instead of making up things 'bout me why don't you address why you think this camera will or won't work for your purposes?

Answer: Because you aint that interested in cameras.

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mbpm
By mbpm (Sep 2, 2012)

^ I didn't mean to push you buttons, and I apologize if I did.
Unfortunately I find your questions and 'answers'...unflattering. Again, don't take it personally. Your assumption that I "aint that interested in cameras" is, well, funny because it "aint" true. :)
But, it's ok because I don't take such assessments personal.
Please enlighten us with numbers that determines the DP2sx sell more, and also, do you own any Sigma cameras?
But please don't answer the question if you are going to take it personal.
*Hint: My initial response was a joke. In short, I was been sarcastic; hence the smiley face :)

So, Y U So Mad? :(

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 2, 2012)

mbpm--

I know that the DP2 and DP1 sell. I know not the numbers. And I've no idea why you use the word "more", I never claimed that that the Sigma DP2 sells more than some other unnamed APSC P&S. Only that the Sigmas do sell.

As I wrote already high ISO is important to me, so no I don't own Foveon cameras.

Sorry people interested in digital cameras are intrigued by the Sigma/Foveon cameras, because the colour is so much better at low ISOs. The raw extraction software needs vast improvement.

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mbpm
By mbpm (Sep 2, 2012)

^A very good and honest answer, thank you.
But comparing the DP1 Merrill to the DP2x, which would sell more?
I must say that one can speculate that DP2xs' sell more because of it's price. At about $700, it is both affordable and...amazing.
The DP1 Merrill is not that affordable and has pretty much the same features as the DP2x. But, I guess I am going in circles here because most of the people that post here provable already know this.
Or maybe I am failing to see the new amazing features of the DP1 Merrill over the 1 year-old DP2x to justify its price point.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 3, 2012)

mbpm:

Much much bigger prints from the DP1 Merrill. Or more cropping.

And it's not like the DP2x is now selling for $300. It's listed at $700.

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mbpm
By mbpm (Sep 4, 2012)

^ Well...yeah, you're right. But nevertheless, you're still right.

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OldDigiman
By OldDigiman (Aug 31, 2012)

Wow, they still have bowls of crack lying around in Sigma's marketing department.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 3, 2012)

Why the DP2x sells at $700.

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rpt
By rpt (Aug 31, 2012)

Overpriced for a camera with no viewfinder and no red dot on the front.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 3, 2012)

Last I checked many mirrorless systems don't ship with a viewfinder, including the Samsung NX210, and the Sony Nex 5n.

And the Sigma DP2x sells at seven bills.

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sakjdakjas
By sakjdakjas (Aug 31, 2012)

Chop lens and AF, add a popular lens mount (*), peaking feature and and HDMI connector for an external display and it'll sell nicely as a specialized sensor + mount body for demanding pros and enthusiasts.

* Ideally one of the short flange distance mirrorless mounts, 2nd best EOS mount.

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george4908
By george4908 (Aug 31, 2012)

>>Chop lens and AF, add a popular lens mount (*), peaking feature and and HDMI connector for an external display and it'll sell nicely as a specialized sensor + mount body for demanding pros and enthusiasts ... Ideally one of the short flange distance mirrorless mounts,

Exactly what I was thinking. Otherwise, if you can't decide between the 14 and the 20 you have to spend another $1,000? But if this were ILC -- I presume it's about the size of the Pens? -- it could find a much larger market.

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iudex
By iudex (Aug 31, 2012)

And one more issue with Sigmas was the (in)ability to process RAWs in usual RAW converters. Is it still a problem?

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Aug 31, 2012)

No. At last count nobody was actually using the Sigma cameras, so lack of raw support wasn't an issue.

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ChristianHass
By ChristianHass (Aug 31, 2012)

Most of their cameras are supported in Lightroom now, not the new DP2M and DP1M though. Anyone's guess when/if they will be.

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Jan Kritzinger
By Jan Kritzinger (Aug 31, 2012)

I really am very interested in a fixed lens, large sensor compact, but I doubt Sigma have the capability to offer AF functionality comparable to that offered by Sony.

If this camera were made by Sony, and if it were 23/24mm, and if it had all the modern Sony features (Hybrid AF, focus peaking, etc etc etc) then I'd definitely be interested.

A fixed lens, 35mm equivalent RX100 would be just perfect.

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Aug 31, 2012)

Leica X2?

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Itsa Dry Heat
By Itsa Dry Heat (Aug 31, 2012)

I have Sony cameras and I can use SDHC cards. Compatable with everything else in the world

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ChristianHass
By ChristianHass (Aug 31, 2012)

Comparing this to the RX100 isn't really valid. The DP2M is for extremely high quality shots in low ISO. The RX100 is a do-it-all camera you can put in your pocket of decent quality.

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JackM
By JackM (Aug 31, 2012)

Didn't they learn anything from the SD1 pricing debacle? This camera should cost no more than a Sony RX100.

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Carlos Henrique
By Carlos Henrique (Aug 31, 2012)

The cost difference could be explained by the larger sensor. However, taking into consideration tha Sony already overprice its products, Sigma at a lower price point could entitle them to a higher market share.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Aug 31, 2012)

Let's compare it to the other fixed prime lens, APS-C cameras on the market, shall we?

It's cheaper, at launch, than the Fujifilm X100 was (though that has a viewfinder, of course), and much cheaper than the Leica X1 or X2.

Suggesting it should cost as much as a camera with a sensor almost half the size is illogical to put it politely.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Aug 31, 2012)

Are we supposed to value cameras only for sensor size? That would have made the RX100 a runaway gold award winner, offering the biggest sensor in its size class (pocketable cameras, not just compacts, a meaninglessly broad grouping.) Given either one for free, I would not choose the Sigma. It offers reasonable value only to avid landscape shooters, and most of them would be better served by something more versatile.

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JackM
By JackM (Sep 1, 2012)

I agree with Mark. The DP1 has the sensor, but the RX100 has, well, every other feature.

The DP1 is very intriguing though. It would be great for travel and hiking.

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toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (Aug 31, 2012)

I can see the niche buyer carrying this along with other cameras. Suddenly the right scene comes up, he whips out this camera and gets the shot. Puts it back in his pocket. Quicker than changing lenses.

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Spade357
By Spade357 (Aug 31, 2012)

The Sigma is a snail when compared to others so It would be tough to just whip it out and get the shot right away unless you are taking pics of flowers :). For people shots, forget it.

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solsang
By solsang (Aug 31, 2012)

This camera needs zone-focusing for people shots and street; as mentioned earlier it fares best at architecture or landscapes, plus clouds, which can get truly astonishing:)

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Noctilux4
By Noctilux4 (Aug 31, 2012)

this camera = LOL.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 31, 2012)

Why?

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (Aug 31, 2012)

As a mirrorless compact, I think the camera would have as good a shot in the marketplace as its competitors if Sigma would come up with some type of high profile promotion that got people to actually go to a store and try one out. Both Sigma and Ricoh seem to suffer from a lack of consumer faith in their brands that could be remedied by more hands on exposure to their products.

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tomservo33
By tomservo33 (Aug 31, 2012)

Agreed, and have a limited time (holidays) price drop to $499 US and they could move some product....but this...no sale. They need to just license this inovative sensor to the big boys who have great feature set cameras already...and it would be incredible for serious video applications.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Aug 31, 2012)

I like these kind of cameras with large(r) sensor. But none so far was thoroughly thought out product:
- X100 was a half baked product. Charming at times, but constantly irritating.
- Sigmas were generally too slow (in operation), hi-iso unusable despite lovely Foveon's performance in nice light, also an impression of rushed out, not well polished product
- Leica X1 and X2 look most accomplished of them all, but well, the price thing, and are a bit slowish too (X1 especially) ...

Looking forward towards Photokina and Ricoh. GRD is due to an update. A 28mm/f2(.4) lens, latest Sony's APS-C sensor perhaps, and the wonderful usability of the GRD ...

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RStyga
By RStyga (Aug 31, 2012)

Good (not ultra fast, just 'good') AF speed and high-ISO (at least between 800-2500) IQ? Brace for another huge disappointment...

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For a few clicks more
By For a few clicks more (Aug 31, 2012)

Please do not buy then.

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solsang
By solsang (Aug 31, 2012)

Though do buy if a fair price, wait for something like the $400 german sale of dp1 and dp2, and use only in good light :)

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (Aug 31, 2012)

Hmm Sigma delivers once again a great camera for a very narrow group; Photographers with an eye for 28mm scenes.

No 50mm (my favorite) and not even a middle of the road 35 mm.
If they had created a camera with interchangeable lens the Merrill would be the pro answer to Sony Nex line....But Sigma rather created a camera that excludes about 75% of all pro photographers.

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BobNL
By BobNL (Aug 31, 2012)

DP2 Merrill?

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Aug 31, 2012)

Action photographers maybe, or high-ISO freaks. But make no mistake about it - in the right hands, with good efforts of a patient and knowledgeable photographer, this little unassuming camera delivers nothing less than S2 medium-format image quality.

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (Aug 31, 2012)

I know the DP1 Merrill will deliver the quality.. But again Sigma creates a camera with 'someone elses' focallength.

I know myself with 28 I will hardly deliver stunning photos. People will be to remote and the frame will be cluttered with unwanted street objects.

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (Aug 31, 2012)

@ AlpCns2 Exactly what i thought regarding image quality. Those samples can stand side by side with any of the full frames cameras or even digital backs. The sharpness and colour fidelity is just incredible. I have not come across any APS-C cameras that delivers these kind of clarity even with good lenses mounted on them

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Aug 31, 2012)

Sharpness and resolution, absolutely, but color fidelity? I recommend you read reviews of the SD1 and note the odd, muted color and casts. This sensor uses the silicon it's built on as a color filter. Bayer sensors use color filters optimized for that task alone. Penetration through silicon is an interesting way of filtering color, but it offers no advantages.

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For a few clicks more
By For a few clicks more (Aug 31, 2012)

Sharpness and detail wise, Sigma cameras are unique. I am NOT sorry to say that but color wise, though at optimum conditions, it also easily beats other so called undisputable thousand dollar worth Nikon and Canon cameras too. I am glad to see that Sigma is persistently pushing the Foveon against those big brands. Thanks Sigma.

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HBowman
By HBowman (Aug 31, 2012)

This camera, along with the DP2m, is winner.

Landscapers no need to carry the D800 anymore.

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batholith
By batholith (Aug 31, 2012)

Precisely! I just wish it had a viewfinder.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Aug 31, 2012)

> It uses the same Foveon X3 sensor [...]

It's very sad that development of the full-color sensors (like Foveon) is so slow.

Despite all the patents we have seen over years from Sony and Panasonic, the sensors are not even rumored yet. (I gather the new requirements - video and fast CDAF - might have played role here.)

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Aug 31, 2012)

I totally agree. Sigma just doesn't have the resources to make this more than a niche project on niche cameras. Looking closely at the D800 I'm sorry to say it looks disappointingly 'digital', unnatural, though when I see the pixel-level detail on a foveon-based photo it is rich and contrasty, as it features the actual colours, not an interpolation. Just think of the resolution of a Foveon-based full-frame sensor, using existing lenses. If they could go that way, there would be orders of magnitude of advances.

I am interested in this camera, but the slow AF, limited lens and fiddly operation holds it back a lot. I suppose the rich colour it offers is a lower priority than high-ISO shooting, or video abilities for most people, but I hope this gets more attention, the same way that, gradually, dynamic range has been increased on Bayer sensors.

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Aug 31, 2012)

Sigma ...why don't you develop a proper zoom lens with focal length of lets say 150- 500, and I do not mean your pathetic current APO 150-500mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM ...instead of this matchbox which cost as much as a trip to the moon?!

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Aug 31, 2012)

The 28mm (equiv) is great for active people pics. You're at a party, a mtg, and it's crowded around the tables. Hi Q pics could be very noticeable and then very valuable. So where are the samples from such scenario(s)?

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