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Chase Jarvis writes about Neil Armstrong's 'Inspirational' moon photos

By dpreview staff on Aug 27, 2012 at 17:51 GMT

When Neil Armstrong passed away this weekend we lost someone who was not only a a hero to millions, but also one of the most important photographers in history. Armstrong's photographs from the moon, taken during the Apollo 11 landing in 1969, are among the most iconic and images ever captured. In response to the death of Armstrong, photographer Chase Jarvis has written an article in which he examines the photos taken on the moon, all those years ago. Click through for a link to the full article. 

Buzz Aldrin on the lunar surface, pictured by mission commander Neil Armstrong during the Apollo 11 mission in 1969.

Armstrong appeared in very few of the images taken on the moon during the Apollo 11 mission, but it was his photographs of companion Buzz Aldrin that captured the imaginations of millions of people on earth. Intended essentially as little more than 'record' shots for scientific purposes, Armstrong's images from the lunar surface - taken on a modified Hasselblad 500EL - have a unique beauty. 

In Jarvis's words, 'Neil Armstrong went to the moon first as an explorer for mankind, second as a scientist and engineer – but with intention or not – he came back a famous photographer'.

Comments

Total comments: 161
Lee Dolman
By Lee Dolman (Sep 4, 2012)

Where is the flags shadow? why is the Landers shadow not in the same direction as Buzz' or the rocks?...maybe lens distortion...but the Flag is tall and big and has obvious light on it but no shadow,

I'm not in either camp..but thats weird.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Sep 5, 2012)

The topography of the Moon is hiding the thin pole and narrow plane of the flag in relation to the Sun shadows and as such from Armstrong's shooting position you can't see the pole and flag shadows. The LM shadow is being also twisted and such by the unevenness of the Moon's surface and is which it appears slightly off from Aldrin's shadow.

There is no hoax here. The Moon is not billiard table smooth. There is only one light source (the Sun) and is why each object only casts one shadow. Remember in basic lighting, multiple lights cast multiple shadows from any and all objects.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Sep 2, 2012)

These clowns with their asinine "theories" (each one more half baked then the first, but all almost identical when you look past the surface of them all) won't have the last word, not on my watch.

LONG LIVE SPACE EXPLORATION. LONG LIVE SCIENCE AND DISCOVERY. MAY WE VENTURE TO THE MOON AGAIN!

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Derrick Louw
By Derrick Louw (Sep 1, 2012)

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

Amazing series of moon landing photographs that you will try to laugh at and forget but may not!

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Sep 2, 2012)

I feel sorry for you if YOU blindly believe the regurgitated and unoriginal "theories" that some seem to spew regularly, as if on autopilot. I looked at the pictures, and the conspiracy crowd is not above photshopping things and taking it out of context themselves. Question everything, yes, and don't be a dunce while you are at it. Come with conclusive proof, and then we can talk. Until then, all we have is an immense body of conclusive proof that it did happen.

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ThoughtCrime7D
By ThoughtCrime7D (Sep 5, 2012)

no sheeple like you Camediddude is the one that we are sorry for. you just believe all the garbage you are spoon fed by the msm.

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Dave Walker 56
By Dave Walker 56 (Aug 30, 2012)

There’s a fascinating one hour documentary entitled ‘An Audience with Neil Armstrong’ split into four sections on this Australian website in high quality video.

http://thebottomline.cpaaustralia.com.au/

Possibly one of the last interviews as filmed in 2011. In the last section after being questioned on his reaction to conspiracy theorists, he also shows the real Apollo 11 lunar landing footage taken through a lander window presented side by side with that created using recent high definition Google Moon mapping, using the known lander trajectory and cropped to the same field of view and landing angle.

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Midnighter
By Midnighter (Aug 30, 2012)

Goody grief! Give Aldrin some kudos!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Neil_Armstrong.jpg/589px-Neil_Armstrong.jpg

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Sep 2, 2012)

Hehe, I think you made a mistake. You say to give Buzz kudos, but you post another (great) picture of Neil.

Now, let us all give kudos to Michael Collins, (who is still alive and with us at 81, as is Buzz as 82) ... who watched over them for those 15 hours from command module Columbia, and never had the chance to set foot on our moon, but sure must have gotten some incredible view of her from the window. You can see a photo of the sepreartion of the Eagle before its descent which Collins took from Columbia midway down here
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo11.html
Here is a great article about him in Guardian
How Michael Collins became the forgotten astronaut of Apollo 11 http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/jul/19/michael-collins-astronaut-apollo11

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SigmaChrome
By SigmaChrome (Aug 30, 2012)

Well, what can I say... Thank you Chase Jarvis for the tribute to Neil Armstrong, one of the greatest heroes of the 20th (or any other Century). BUT how could you misquote possibly the most famous words of all time??? "That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind." NOT “It’s a small step for [a] man, a giant leap for mankind.”

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Zensphere
By Zensphere (Aug 30, 2012)

I wonder how the Mirror that they ricochet a lazer off of to see the distance of the moon which is getting farther and farther away got there. BTW, the base of the Lunar Module is still there... Lets fast forward to Apollo 17 mission... where we actually put a vehicle on the moon and it's still there... How about all the moon rocks 190 to be exact that Nixon gave away and are referred to as the Goodwill Rocks... Hmmm I could go on and on but you know what, you doubter's are just to pathetic and not worth my time.

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ThoughtCrime7D
By ThoughtCrime7D (Sep 5, 2012)

well lets have it photographed!!! seems a bit strange they cant take even a single photo of the junk there!!! if they can photo an ant from the space with an satellite then for sure they can take a high res photo of the landing sites!!!

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Petka
By Petka (Aug 29, 2012)

This Apollo lunar landing is not the only thing which is fake, other similar government scams which come to mind are the Manhattan project (there are no nuclear weapons), nuclear power plants also (there are diesel generators running inside), computers are also a big scam as is this Internet thingy which actually does not exist either! People are just so gullible!

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Aug 29, 2012)

This Lunar Mission is of great work by mankind.

What is UNFORGIVABLE are the MISSING TAPES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes

.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 29, 2012)

Oh my goodness... how poorly managed could they be at that time, it hurts just to read that, of such a loss of data! (as a bit of a mini-hoarder, it pains me especially lol... I have my old 'master' mini DV tapes that I will NEVER record over)

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ThoughtCrime7D
By ThoughtCrime7D (Sep 5, 2012)

convieniently lost!!! hahahahahah

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (Aug 28, 2012)

http://youtu.be/lsIh7fuqpVA

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Michael S.
By Michael S. (Aug 28, 2012)

Unbelieveable how many people are still making idiots out of them by still saying it has been a fake.

Sorry boys - but grow up...exactly 12 men have been ON THE MOON and all your rubbish talking can't change that.

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Geopaf
By Geopaf (Aug 28, 2012)

I agree with what you say, I always wondered why the flag was moving in the vacum of space , maybe thats why Neil Armstrong became a recluse after his "lunar landing".

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Thorbard
By Thorbard (Aug 29, 2012)

But the flag isn't waving. The flag is stiff and posed to look like its waving (intentionally!) but the ripples don't change from moment to moment, frame to frame or photo to photo.

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KassB
By KassB (Aug 29, 2012)

It is not waving, nor is it purposefully posed to look like it is. The flag was folded and packed in such a way that it looked like that when they took it out and unfolded it.

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plasnu
By plasnu (Aug 30, 2012)

Some of the Apollo pictures can't be taken without the multiple studio lights.

I don't know if the mission is fake, but as a photographer, I can tell some of the pictures are the fake.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 30, 2012)

plasnu,

Then you are an ignorant photographer. None of the photos look fake. ONE MORE TIME! If multiple lights were used as you said then objects would cast multiple shadows. It's a basic fundamental of photography. In the thousands of photos taken from the Moon not one photo has such anomalies. The only illuminating light source is the Sun. The Moon's soil would act as a reflector though.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Aug 28, 2012)

God bless Armstrong and all his fellows - brave souls that dared to do the unthinkable. For all those who say it was faked I have one reply. Cast your mind back if you were there or read up your history if your too young - American was fighting a COLD war with the Soviets at the time, the World was a very different place, if for just ONE SECOND the Soviets could have proved it all was a faked they would have told the World from the highest mountain ! They would have LOVED to do so. From them - NOT A WORD - all the fakers have come along since and some have made a lot of money repeating their lies. Good people -don't buy their crap. Sorry - America was the greatest nation on Earth and could be again - but guys don't hang about too long. Mars is the RED planet - China would LOVE to get there first !!

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moimoi
By moimoi (Aug 28, 2012)

Humbleness does not seem to be your forte. Each dominant nation has gone stronger and then weaker as another big nation emerged. This is the story of human kind, and it took place more than several million years ago.

PS: Americas (or America) is no country, but an assembly of Western countries located both in the Northern and Southern hemispheres.

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Aug 28, 2012)

I couldn't agree more with you, and I'm not even an American.

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birdseyeviewphotos
By birdseyeviewphotos (Aug 28, 2012)

This can be regarded as the most expensive journey for a shoot ever. I have one of these pictures on my wall and look at it daily as a source of inspiration of what can be done by man. Long before Obama said "yes we can". My life has been a yes I will and today I look back having worked abroad for 32 years visited 78 countries some like Hong Kong 6 times which from Europe is the other side of the globe but from Abu Dhabi closer. Cape Kennedy was on my list since those days in 69. I also was present when Yuri Gagarin came to the UK in 61 and have the picture to prove it. Like faith you believe if you want, but a famous person has gone like we all will back to dust.

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moimoi
By moimoi (Aug 28, 2012)

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

Can the strong believers comment on this? (see link above).

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Good website, and be sure to look at the main home page that currently shows Curiosity's view of Mt. Sharp in the middel of Gale Crater. It is like something out of Lord of the Rings to me, heheh... what an amazing voyage it has up ahead. Happy travels, Curiosity and crew!

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ojup
By ojup (Aug 28, 2012)

Fake (I consider my self have a doubt about the photo and the technology at that time) or not, this very image create hope and imagination for our children. sending a message that YES WE CAN DO IT, WHY NOT.

That message probably what makes todays invention come to real, who could have known.

who could imagine that you can talk to your hand (while you are walking) and let someone thousands miles away listening to what you have to say.

Brain is such a powerful organs, it need stimulation from the user, and this image might somehow be that stimulant

'Inspirational' is just the exact word that this image provides

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (Aug 28, 2012)

ojup said: " who could imagine that you can talk to your hand"

Mr Ojup, you are welcome to talk to my hand.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

All anyone has to do to dispel the flag waving nonsense is go to YOU TUBE! type in Apollo 11 - 16mm film. There is a lengthy 1:30 hr composite film, Fast forward to about the 56min. mark. You will see Armstrong & Aldrin put up the flag and for the next 5-6 min. in the film NEVER DOES THE FLAG MOVE!

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Great tip, thank you PF. Ignore the haters/conspiracy nutbags below! (and soon to be above, I am sure (rolling eyes smiley lol))
WE know that we were at the moon, for we can think critically, and analyze evidence for ourselves, and we do not feed ravenously on misinformation and "exciting" scripts of subterfuge like some folks seem so apt to do. Not everything is a Hollywood movie, people, so try to reason this one out, slowly if need be.

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John 3
By John 3 (Aug 28, 2012)

It's important to be skeptical about everything...that way you keep an open mind to all possibilities.

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GMart
By GMart (Aug 28, 2012)

All the below goes to show is that a photo in fact proves / disproves nothing...

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doctor digi
By doctor digi (Aug 28, 2012)

While that may be true for a single photo, when there are many, combined with other evidence, then the results are firmly stacked in favour of either proved or disproved.

I think Apollo is proved as far as any rational human being is concerned.

What the below proves is that no matter what you say or do you will be unable to convince a small minority of a fact. You could even put them on a spacecraft and take them to the moon, but of course they'd then claim you'd drugged them and it wasnt real.

Then again, there are others (most, if not all, the published "Apollo hoax" authors) who only "disbelieve" because it earns them money from book sales to the gullable and unthinking.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

I suspect that some of the "theorists" below here are some of the same sorts who spew forth ww2 theories, in which they claim that the history and evidence we have there is "all wrong (maliciously so)" as well. I am working on learning to ignore these sorts.

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kralyevski
By kralyevski (Aug 28, 2012)

Свиѓа ми се комбинација од Шведски апарат ,Германски објектив, Американски астронаут и свемирско возило сас Грчко име, дали знае некој филм од кој производител е направен?
(I like the combination of Swedish camera, German lens, American astronaut and spaceship with Greek name, does anyone knows who was the maufacturer of the film on which the most famous photographs were taken?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

I'm certain it was Kodak

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CesarAKG
By CesarAKG (Aug 28, 2012)

Kodak special film:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11-hass.html

"Finally, The film used on Apollo-11 was the same type carried on the other flights - a Kodak special thin-based and thin emulsion double-perforated 70 mm film - which permitted 160 pictures in color or 200 on black/white in each loading."

There are some naysaiyers that says the film doesn't tolerate the high temperatures on the moon. They are right. But the cameras wheren't droped on the surface, and the surface was really cool when the astronauts did they EVA, so the film was never subjected to such high temperatures.

Simple thermodinamics, folks: no atmosphere, no convection; no contact with the surface, no conduction. Only heat irradiation, so you silver-paint the cameras and forget about this. You doesn't need to be a rocket engineer to came with this solution.

Kudos to NASA. Cheers!

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Aug 28, 2012)

KODAK ! I think they had something to do with film once. Sorry to see the giant dying, I recall walking around their museum just outside London way back. Impressive stuff and most enjoyable. The Japanese giants like Sony will be the next to go, just wait a few more years. Times, they are a changing....

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Aug 28, 2012)

The film was specially developed Kodak slide film.

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (Aug 28, 2012)

Good photo from the good ol' times when America still deserved respect.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Long live space exploration! May we venture ever onwards ... Few things give me as much hope for mankind as seeing the lofty heights which we have reached in outer space. There is so much that we don't know... and that we may never know! But, the attempts to discover more of who, why, how, where and what we are, to me, is the most amazing voyage we can take.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Aug 28, 2012)

My most respected person.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

The Moon missions and the splitting of the Atom are IMO two of the most significant science achievements of the 20th century.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 28, 2012)

Really? Why? Creating the spaceship required hard work and exceptional brain power from some people. Sitting in a tin box for a few days and jumping about the place the tin box brought you... well, dogs and monkeys done it before.

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Andy Wilson
By Andy Wilson (Aug 28, 2012)

"One small f-stop for man, one decisive moment for mankind?"
The ultimate f8 and be there, I suppose. Not sure about the overall value of the space race for humanity but I certainly respect the men who went there. I remember watching this as an 11 year old and still think it is truly amazing. Looking back at how fragile the lander appears in the photograph and thinking there is probably more computing power in the 'caps lock' key of the computer I am typing this on than on board Apollo 11, it's incredible.

One of the things that impresses me most about Neil Armstrong though is not just this and his general piloting skills and achievements but his quiet humility. It's refreshing, in this day of celebrity posers, to find that in someone who has actually achieved something of note.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 28, 2012)

He did not "achieve" moon landing, NASA engineers did this.

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453C
By 453C (Aug 29, 2012)

That's an odd statement, considering that Neil "Might as well be a dog or monkey" Armstrong took manual control of the LM because it was off the automated course the NASA engineers programmed for it, thus preventing a crash. I'm sure there are other instances where a dog or monkey wouldn't have risen to a challenge; Apollo 13 comes to mind. As plenty of people involved in Apollo have said, it was definitely a team effort, not the one-sided, Man in a Can story peevee1 believes.

Armstrong took some very fine photos in the midst of an extremely busy few hours. For me, their power and beauty will never be diminished.

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2005magnum
By 2005magnum (Aug 28, 2012)

I recall watching the landing with my father who inspired my love of photography. As we watching the first images from the moon, my dad commented "why can't they put that technology into small cameras" or something to that effect. I do not recall what my reaction was, but I have never forgotten his vision. He passed away in 1990. The last thing he bought himself before he died was a Nikon FM2. I know that he would be utterly amazed to see how far we have come in the digital age.

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bossa
By bossa (Aug 27, 2012)

The level of intelligence shown by the naysayers on this thread is terrifying. There's no hope if people like this are allowed to go on breeding I fear.

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chris_van_bc
By chris_van_bc (Aug 28, 2012)

The level of intelligence shown by the naysayers on this thread is terrifying??

There's no hope if people like this are allowed to go on breeding???

Surely you jest????

If you are not engaging in hyperbole please move to a fascist country where you and your ilk belong.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Aug 28, 2012)

And so say all of us ! Rock on NASA !

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Very well said. It IS terrifying. The lack of critical thinking and analytical skills is almost as devastating as their lack of historical knowledge.

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FTW
By FTW (Aug 27, 2012)

Big Events, News and Publicity are same as religions, make up your mind and run in the direction they ask you to do. Who ever tries to swim against that mainstream, swims in pee-gutters. So, I do not express what I think about moon landings or that photos. I will wait until some day another human steps on that place and shows us, or brings back, the hassies, the flag, the moon vehicle, and so on. Until today, every information that can't be checked or verified by human normal citizen is for me scam. Be this sour rain, ozon holes, global warming, ice melt, and what ever humans have invented beside of god to let you pray and pay.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

What do you need to still know?

A satellite recently photographed the Moon and revealed the LM bases, the moon rovers fro Apollo 15 and on, various test gear and footprint tracks.

Next, every conspiracy nut's baseless objections have been thoroughly answered by not just NASA but other qualified experts and engineers as well as the astronauts OVER AND OVER AND OVER!

Really, NASA went to the moon. Landed 6 manned missions on it and brought back rocks and photos. It was during the height of the Cold War do you really think the Soviets for one would not revealed the hoax if it were so?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

The Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has approved the plan in 1964 to land a Soviet cosmonaut on the Moon in November 1967, in commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the Great Russian Socialist Revolution of 1917.

But by 1966, the Soviet scientists and space program higher-ups have given up on the idea as being too costly and not bringing any tangible benefits in scientific terms. Instead, they decided on near-Earth orbits and unmanned exploration of Space.

Which is exactly the same thing the Americans were doing for almost 40 years, until they lost their ride (the Space Shuttle) to even get out to space any more.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

The Soviets were just as eager to win the Moon race. The massive launch pad explosion they had reportedly killed many of their best engineers and set their programme back years. To which the US won in 1969. Once the USA won the race there was no reason for the USSR to venture to the Moon with manned missions.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

@ Fogg, there was no "Moon Race." Jack Kennedy had a vision, and after he was assassinated -- another one of those things where the "conspirationalists" are seemingly having a field day -- they somehow had to deliver by 31 December 1969 what he had promised.

The rest of your feeble fantasies are not worth a retort.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

And you are nuts.

The USSR was into the Moon race and spent a lot of its money doing so. It also lost lives in such. You show utter dishonour to their lives.

Alexi Leonov was to be the fist Cosmonaut to set his foot upon the Moon had the USA not won the race

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TotallyFred
By TotallyFred (Aug 28, 2012)

ALERT!

The message above is written by a buggy chatbot.

That day, it will call the "other human" a fraud. The program can't realize that either it will repeat forever the same faulty logic (of not trusting anything it can't see) or will enter another faulty logic (of trusting someone else that is equally trustworthy as Armstrong and the others astronauts).

I know FTW is a chatbot because I can't see it in person. Er... wait!

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CesarAKG
By CesarAKG (Aug 28, 2012)

A true skeptic! How are your studies in rocket science, medicine, quantum physics, climatology, and other sciences? Or do you expect to understand complicated issues without any prior study?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/russell4.htm

"I am prepared to admit any well-established result of science, not as certainly true, but as sufficiently probable to afford a basis for rational action. (...) Nevertheless the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Aug 28, 2012)

The USSR was committed to wining the race and many brave souls were lost - by 1968/69 it was all over. As a Brit I wish to thank the USSR & the USA space programmes for all they have given to the World. BUT - we must move forward on to Mars and beyond. If we fail to move forward we are in danger of becoming a World where the 'Fear of God' demands that people listening to music are beheaded as we fall backwards - so come NASA go for it !

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Bob Tewksbury
By Bob Tewksbury (Aug 27, 2012)

GAF Slide Film I believe ............ Awesome !

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km25
By km25 (Aug 27, 2012)

First, all you shadey peole have no idea what you are taking about. Geeeee where are all the stars. Try opening up a few f stops, if you know what that is. My father worked on some of the engines. The 100 lbs control rockets. He would tell you. You do not knew what you are the F^&$!"! taking about. Rember that Neil Armstrong's first words. There was no mention of America. He personally was not in the statement. Just man and man kind. All of these great men where born in 1930. I meet Buzz Aldrin once and got to wear his moon watch for a minute. I am still waiting for greatness from mine and next generations. The greatest generation, maybe, if not one the best. RIP first man from Earth to stand on an other world.

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moimoi
By moimoi (Aug 27, 2012)

What do you think of this?

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

PS: I believe men went to space and went to the moon, but what do you think of the photos from the link above?

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G  K
By G K (Aug 27, 2012)

Kind of ironic, at least for me personally, on the day I finally decided to sell my beloved EL/M's and 500C/m and all those wonderful Carl Zeiss lenses, Neil Armstrong died. Sad day for me in more ways than one.

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makofoto
By makofoto (Aug 28, 2012)

Who would have ever thought that Hasselblad now uses Fujinon lenses instead of Zeiss!?

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (Aug 28, 2012)

Well, congratulation to Fujifilm !

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leicaman
By leicaman (Aug 27, 2012)

I knew the head of Hasselblad service USA, Karl Claussen for many years as I was working in the field of astronomy. Karl was present at every launch from Gemini through the Moon missions and he personally inspected all the equipment with the astronauts prior to each mission. We used to talk about all of the Hasselblads that had to be left on the moon's surface due to the LEM's limited thrust and fuel. A number of times while working on projects for NASA I had the specially modified Hasseblad bodies marked FLIGHT in my lab. They are ELMs which had sealed DIN power connectors and large paddle shutter releases for use with space suits... and will as etched glass grids that put index marks on the images for determining scale. I later found out from Karl that some of those bodies went to the moons' surface... where they still sit.. along with my very own fingerprints. They will probably sit there long after man has creased to exist on this planet.
No question those missions took place.

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COBill
By COBill (Aug 28, 2012)

Salvage mission!!

"These classic Hasselblads were barely used - a few hundred exposures each, but otherwise are very clean with only some grey dust."

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

COBill,

The cameras are free for the taking, as long as you can find a way to get to them LOL.

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 28, 2012)

Hassleblad did run an advertising campaign saying there were free Hasselblads available to anyone who could get their hands on it

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Well said. Finally some intelligent remarks. My father used the instruments (laser reflectors) left on the moon by the astronauts almost weekly for decades after the Apollo missions were finished. All this nonsense of "fake" this and "fake" that merely proves the dumbing-down of the general population. A very sad state of affairs indeed.

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ALFREDofAVALON
By ALFREDofAVALON (Aug 27, 2012)

I'm glad they took a Hasselblad.

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jgardia
By jgardia (Aug 27, 2012)

Bah, my Kiev 60 can do the same! It is just a bit more temperamental, and currently is not overlapping the pictures.
So "almost" the same... ;-)

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doctor digi
By doctor digi (Aug 27, 2012)

Laughable that on a photography site such as this, people are calling into question the legitimacy of the photos.

It's getting really old, boring and tiring. I can tell you now, if any of these people who claim the Apollo photos were fake based on shadows not lining up would please post some outdoor shots of their own then I can examine them and find shadows "not parallel" and thus claim the photos are fake.

I'm surprised that no-one has yet mentioned the non-black shadows "because everyone knows that with no atmosphere shadows are completely black". Like when Aldrin is "somehow" being illuminated on the LM steps. Sheesh.

Let's put it this way: it would have cost a lot more to stage the whole thing than it actually cost to send men to the moon for real.

I've yet to read a plausable criticism that could lead to doubt. Sure, I agree, don't believe everything the government tells you, but at least don't leave your brain behind when starting on the conspiracy rants about the evidence.

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balios
By balios (Aug 27, 2012)

I find it funny that most of the conspiracy nuts are already on my ignore list.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

Maybe the real "conspiracy" was by NASA, acting on White House orders, to fake the whole shebang so as not to make former president Jack Kennedy's valiant promise go to waste?

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

I personally find posters like the conspiracy troll above me to be most insufferable, and I would like to ask dpreview if we can please have an ignore feature for the article comment sections here, thank you.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

Okay, camediadude, you are now officially ignored. Happy?

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (Aug 28, 2012)

Francis, instead of just ignoring Camediadude, could you just ignore everybody? Maybe even Dpreview...?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 27, 2012)

This is a photography site, yet morons here argue faked moon landings and faked photos. JEEBUS!

Look, the shadows all run in general same direction. It's the topography of the Moon that creates undulations and such. Think about it folks, once you impart multiple light sources you will get multiple shadows. You never see such from the moon. The Sun is the only illuminating light source. Now the Moon's soil is reflective and will kick back light onto subjects. Hence the ease of seeing Aldrin for one climb down from the LM in the shadow of the LM. First he's in a white space suit, second the Moon's soil is quite reflective or we'd not see it so bright in our night time sky.

As to flag waving, IT ONLY DOES SO WHEN THE ASTRONAUTS TOUCH OR MOVE IT OR THE POLE! Once it's left alone it comes to a stop and sits as still as if it were a statue.

God I want to punch these idiots in their faces.

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Lenny L
By Lenny L (Aug 27, 2012)

"God I want to punch these idiots in their faces."

Something else that Buzz Aldrin did that I wish I was able to :)

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

LOL, YEAH he did it to that idiot Bart Sibrel. You gotta love old Buzz for that.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

Nobody is touching the flag or the flag pole, and the thing is obviously WAVING in a zero atmospheric condition environment. That fact alone pulls the sheet of this long running charade.

But hey, if YOU were in fact right there on the Moon and YOU yourself took these photos and YOU will swear to that effect -- then I take it all back in a jiffy. :~))

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

B.S.

The flags in any of the Moon missions never begin to flutter or wave on their own. They only flutter and wave once an astronaut moves or otherwise disturbs it or its mount. An example is the 16mm motion camera mounted on Apollo 11 LM recorded at like 3-4 fps and when one views it the flag is in the frame at all times and NEVER moves on its own. It only moves once the astronauts move or disturb it.

The nonsense you peddle here has been debunked many times. GIVE IT A REST AS YOU LOOK A FOOL OTHERWISE!

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Francis, I suspect that you would not have the guts to spew these asinine and regurgiated narratives to the faces of the brave men and women who worked on sending us into space and our satellite luna. You have done little that I have seen in the past few days on dpreview but spread negativity, accusations, and hate, and I for one am sick of you. That said, don't look to me to "feed" your trolling anymore. The sooner dpreview bans you, the better it will be here for everybody!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

@ P. Fogg: Nobody is walking about or touching anything, and the flag still waves happily. You need to scroll UP to the top of the page to see it, though, so therein might lie the difficulty.

@ camediadude, your kind should certainly be banned. To the Moon, maybe?

Seriously now.... this here is an obviously doctored photo if I ever saw one. I guess we not only landed on the Moon and took these pictures there, we also had won the Korean War and the war in Vietnam, huh?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

One more time, none of the Apollo Moon flags EVER wave on their own. They will in all movie films be seen a standing perfectly still. Gawd, why don't you just look up and watch the samples of 16mm movie films shot by the LM camera?

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

And the usual bunch of CONSPIRACY CRETINS infesting this site like a CANCER. Even the Russians, who hated the Americans during the Cold War acknowledged that Apollo 11 HAD LANDED. Get with it MORONS...... The same w*nkers who post that, despite the overwhelming proof that it was Al Qaeda and Saudi money, that 9/11 was an inside job, oh yes and the "chemtrails" and HAARP with a touch of NWO and all washed down by th e Bilderbergers. Meanwhile when the US actually showed the landing site via the lunar orbiters, what did the cretin "truthers" spout...... YESSS you guessed it "PHOTOSHOP" and "that proves nothing".......

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jgardia
By jgardia (Aug 27, 2012)

There is enough evidence that they managed to reach the moon. There are instruments installed (like the array of mirrors used to measure the distance between the earth and the moon), and it is possible to see traces on the landing sites (with the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter).
About the 9/11, sorry but I'm not 100% sure.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Aug 28, 2012)

I usually take conspiracy theory posts as a public announcement that the poster is not-so-smart, and leave it at that.

I also don't argue with crazy people on the street.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

Only the government can create believable conspiracies. They have the resources and the willpower to do so. Whether man ever stepped on the surface of the Moon -- we might never know for sure.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

Any intelligent person with critical thought abilities KNOWS man set foot upon the Moon (12 men to be exact, a most rare company of people). ENOUGH ALREADY! Every conspiracy nut's illogical point put forth has been answered many, many, times.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

Well, the Russians are probably no longer interested in landing cosmonauts on the Moon. So, they are leaving it all to the Chinese.

Also, I am hoping for a manned Mars landing and/or Venus landing by 2050 the latest. Better late than never, right?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

Once the Soviets lost they had no political reason carry forward.

The Chinese want to do it to put their nation along side the USA in terms of pride, prestige and such.

As to Venus, it's not remotely possible for humans to land on it as its too hot something like 600+ degrees. Mars is another story and man will likely have not just a landing on it some time in the next 25-30 odd years but buy 2100 have full time rotating crew science station on it.

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kralyevski
By kralyevski (Aug 28, 2012)

I thought this is photography forum...we have a saying here: a kid learns a lesson for worms and gets a question about elephant...and the kid answers: well, the elephant is big animal but his tail is small like worm and worms are bla bla bla...

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Aug 27, 2012)

I thought NASA recently admit those clear moon landing photos were faked.

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Aug 27, 2012)

Ha! In your dreams.

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

I see that Taikash*t's meds have worn off again. What is it with these CRETINS. If we sent him/her/it to the moon and showed them the evidence first hand, they'd tell you it was "faked" and "put there specially, just to fool them". sadly these MORONS are actually allowed to vote and write with things sharper than a wax crayon.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

The probably shot some hardware up there. But where were the astronauts meanwhile? How can anyone tell for sure?

It is a bit hard to believe that a country can send men to another celestial body with no problems -- and then some 43 years later, the same country cannot even place them into near-Earth orbit, no?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

WTF!

They as in the USA just grounded its last Shuttle last year. Since 1981 to 2011 the Shuttle flew man and materials into space and to the ISS.

Age of the fleet and budget cuts among the change to more privatization of space is why NASA no longer launches Shuttles. The debate as to privatizing space is for another day.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

@ Fogg Man: Wow, you had somehow forgot the tragedy that 2 of the Space Shuttles have blown-up, killing everyone aboard. Which is why NASA had no choice and pull them out of service -- with having nothing whatsoever even half-way ready to replace them, see?

The Russians used to take up NASA astronauts to the International Space Station for a hefty fee, but they stopped that practice a couple of years back.

However, there is hope: I understand Apple is about to launch the long awaited iShuttle.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

OMG!

The loss of Challenger in 1986 was replaced by Endeavor. Columbia in 2003 still left the remaining fleet viable till 2011. The Shuttle is too costly and was a maintenance nightmare. The US astronauts now do ride with the Russian Cosmonauts to ISS now and will do so until the private venture ships in the USA prove viable for NASA's needs

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Phileas, ignore that FC troll above, for he feeds on the excitement which he feels while irking people online. The best thing to do is to ignore juvenile posters like him, who spew forth hate and mistruths here constantly, and they will naturally fizzle off. I agree with your assesments on the lunar missions by the way, good posts here. Long live future solar system explorations!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 27, 2012)

Shadows are all over the place in all directions, and the USA flag is waving proudly in the Moon's no atmosphere surface. And a few other dead giveaways to show the these "historic" pictures are rather poorly doctored.

Also, it is rather hard to fathom how NASA could have placed men on the surface of the moon back in the late 1960s -- when 42 years later, they cannot even send a single human into near-Earth orbit, let alone on to another celestial body -- and back.

Somebody had to win the USSR-USA space race, no matter what the means and evidence.

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BadScience
By BadScience (Aug 27, 2012)

Francis, are you kidding?

It seems no evidence will satisfy the conspiracy nutters. So, save up, buy a (VERY) powerful telescope, and have a look yourself at the surface of the moon. It will seem that the only evidence you will accept is your own eyes.

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Aug 27, 2012)

More conspiracy nonsense. The flag only moves when two guys are trying to extend the rods that stretch it out. After that it remains stationary even when those very same two guys skip by it demonstrating that they are in fact in a vacuum.
Your second statement is ridiculous after over 20 years of successful shuttle flights or are those all faked too?
Your 3rd point is exactly why they never went back. The Apollo missions were powered by a political and ideological race which was won by the USA. There is no political will to provide the money to go back. Perhaps when the Chinese start planting flags.
The radio communications were tracked from all corners of the Earth - the UK, Autralia, New Zealand, radio hams across the globe and including the Russians. So you're saying it's some kind of global conspiracy?
Do some proper research and stop reading this conspiracy nonsense.

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

Quite right "BadScience". These MORONS conveniently forget that as the moon has no atmosphere and is a near vacuum (as in Francis Carver's head) and has low gravity, the flag and pole will keep moving for agaes due the lack of any air resistance. But that is never good enough for dozy-b*ll*cks and so it is "the shadows are wrong".... No they aren't, the shadow to the left of the flagpole is actually the shadow of part of the lander out of shot... But again, the MORONS will refuse the evidence of their own eyes even if you took them there as they would immediately state that it was "planted" to put them off the scent....

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mandophoto
By mandophoto (Aug 27, 2012)

Francis, you are incorrect. One of the discoveries from the expedition was that there is indeed enough atmosphere on the moon to make a flag flutter, albeit slowly. The photograph was the proof. Funny, I thought it was common knowledge.

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Aug 27, 2012)

Mandophoto, I don't know where you've heard that but it isn't true at all. if you watch any videos of any of the moon landings the flag is always stationary once the astronauts have finished installing them. Some of the stills on apollo 11 give the impression of wind because the flag is bunched up as they were unable to fully extend the horizontal rod intended to stretch it out. The only time the flag flaps around is when the astronauts are struggling to insert it deep enough into the surface and when initially let go the flag swings slightly more than you'd expect due to lack of air resistance.

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balios
By balios (Aug 27, 2012)

@ mandophoto: The moon has no atmosphere (outgasing produces an atmospheric density of one hundred trillionth of Earth's, which is essentially vacuum).

The "flag waving" you see in the videos is not from wind (there is none). Its from the pole being shifted by the astronaught holding it. Its 1/10th gravity in a vacuum, the fabric will shift with any movement.

As for the photo, look at the flag. Have you ever seen a flag so wrinkled?!? The fabric weight is 1/10th normal and can't pull itself straight with its own weight as you'd see on Earth.

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mandophoto
By mandophoto (Aug 27, 2012)

Heh, it's a joke. How 'bout this: the reason no stars appear in the photograph is for the same reason we don't see stars during the day. The moon's atmosphere is just dense enough such that the sun's light is diffracted, again, just enough to camouflage all the stars light.

What else can we do with these conspiracy theories?

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

Oh for the love of God..... The reason there are no stars in most of the pics is a). because they are too faint. b). The camera has exposed for the average to bright portions of the image and c) The exposure has exceeded the latitude of the film for the given shutter speed/aperture combination.

As I stated above... Anyone would think that this was a PHOTOGRAPHY site with people knowing the PRINCIPLES of photography, such as exposure latitute, in digital terms, dynamic range and not a repository for Crackpot Conspiracy Cretins.

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (Aug 27, 2012)

Francis Carper,
If there was an article about Santa Claus not being real, you'd argue that one.
You Sir are either a massive troll or on the verge of suicide, constantly.
Re the shadows:
Take two AA batteries, or similar, a reasonably powerful torch and go into a dark room. Place the batteries on their ends and shine the torch at them, you will see shadows at different angles; move the torch slightly.
Unbelievable.

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mandophoto
By mandophoto (Aug 28, 2012)

To zeidgeist; balios; boogieboogie: My comments/replies to the OP were attempts at humor. I really, really didn't think anyone would take me seriously. Lighten up, dudes.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

I just love how the fakers are calling the other camp "conspiratists. Hello, it was probably NASA and the U.S. government that conspired and arranged for a moon landing in the 5th dimension back in the murky, no-holds-barred 1960s.

boogie sez: "The Apollo missions were powered by a political and ideological race which was won by the USA. There is no political will to provide the money to go back."

Yeah, I sort of agree. The Americans have NO MONEY to "go back" to the Moon. Going back to near-Earth orbit should come first, anyhow. In fact, I can see the Russians walking on Mars and the Chinese walking on Venus before we will have that huge 'Moon Base Alpha' super-colony that Messrs. George Bush and John McCain were publicly dreaming about quite recently. Just because you say something will happen, does not mean that it will in fact happen, you know.

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

This is nuts,

The US Fed Reserve since 2008 has put by reports a min. of $3Trillion+ dollar into the US economy. Going back to the Moon would only a be a few billion. The Pentagon spent something like $20Billion on AIR CONDITIONING for it Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2011.

The amount of money the US govt. borrows in today's world could send dozens of rockets back to the Moon. There is just not the political or strategic will to do so as of now.

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 27, 2012)

@ valliant - this is what's causing the shadow, it's not the flag shadow

http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/images/solar_wind.jpg

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Triggr Happy
By Triggr Happy (Aug 27, 2012)

Shadow of the flag in one direction and shadow of Buzz in the other? hmmmm
some strange lighting ;)

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Aug 27, 2012)

More conspiracy nonsense. Sad.

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balios
By balios (Aug 27, 2012)

The shadows are in the same direction, but the ground isn't flat. You get the same effect on Earth.

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Seppo Helle
By Seppo Helle (Aug 27, 2012)

It's the solar wind collector's shadow. See page 10 of the Jarvis article.

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Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (Aug 27, 2012)

Shadows are somewhat affected by terrain but any expert in optics know that the shadows from a distant light source should all be parallel which most of the NASA moon photos are not. Armstrong is a great guy but most of the moon photos are obviously doctored or fake. Armstrong hardly ever spoke in public after NASA accidently released a film reel showing the Apollo 11 crew in low earth orbit faking video footage of the earth from a distance when they should have been entering lunar orbit; and that's no "conspiracy theory" as the fake Apolllo 11 film is widely available. I believe very little of what we are "officially" told.

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 27, 2012)

from a better pic - here is the shadow source, which illustrates what someone else said, it's the solar wind experiment not the flag pole

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/apollo-11---moon-wallpapers_14441_1920x1200.jpg

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

NURSE!! NURSE!!! I see that the "Valiant Thor" is off his meds again. Padded cell time methinks.

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rbryll
By rbryll (Aug 27, 2012)

@Valient Thor: you are wrong! Crepuscular rays (or "gods rays") on Earth are a good counterexample to your statement. These rays are nearly parallel (since the light source - the Sun - is very far away), but they appear extremely divergent in photos. Why? The answer is perspective! Check out this link for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crepuscular_rays

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doctor digi
By doctor digi (Aug 27, 2012)

Flag pole is thin. Shadow is as thick as the Buzz's leg. hmmmm. some strange flag pole...

sheesh.

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doctor digi
By doctor digi (Aug 27, 2012)

Valiant Thor.

Ah yes - in low Earth orbit. I guess they must have used Klingon cloaking technology then. Or maybe people on Earth just didn't go out after sunset and see them passing overhead. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge about space or astronomy could see how implausible this reasoning is. But please, do continue to display your clear lack of knowledge.

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balios
By balios (Aug 27, 2012)

Don't mean to doubt the "expert in optics" but:

http://www.gulker.com/blog/wp-content/2007/01/long_shadows_long_day.jpg

Oh noes, must be photoshop.

http://www.braeunig.us/pics/shadow04.jpg

Must be moar photoshop....

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

Oh FFS.... Look at the perspective. Look at the footprints getting smaller over such a short distance. The pics were taken with a WIDE ANGLE LENS hence some rectilinear distortion of perspective.

And here was me thinking that this was a PHOTOGRAPHY site. Instead we have several escapees from the local loony bin, off their meds and off their heads.

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Triggr Happy
By Triggr Happy (Aug 27, 2012)

So where is shadow of the flag pole and flag? I don't see any.
Flag looks only 4-5 feet away from Buzz, and we see shadow of his legs, but no shadow of the flag and flag pole?
FAKE PHOTO!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 28, 2012)

When they took the picture at the covert USAF hangar situated at the Mojave Test Site (Edwards Air Force Base) in California, it looks like they forgot to plant the flag. This was likely added later, to obvious results. Amazing how almost all of the photos "taken on the Moon" have something weird about them, isn't it though?

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Phileas Fogg
By Phileas Fogg (Aug 28, 2012)

These idiots who bring up all the photo issues certainly ARE NOT THINKING PHOTOGRAPHERS! Jebus, understanding stuff like this some of the first things a learning photographer grasps.

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taotoo
By taotoo (Aug 27, 2012)

"For those who may ask what they can do to honor Neil, we have a simple request. Honor his example of service, accomplishment and modesty, and the next time you walk outside on a clear night and see the moon smiling down at you, think of Neil Armstrong and give him a wink.”"

Or cash in with a blog post with little that isn't already in the news or on wikipedia.

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 27, 2012)

and use mediocre scans from Life Magazine

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (Aug 27, 2012)

he is a hero..but seriously what has this to do with this forum..

Dpreview are clueless

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 27, 2012)

We're a photography site. Neil Armstrong took some of the most important photographs ever in the history of the medium.

In what way is our posting this short piece 'clueless?'

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sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 27, 2012)

As usual, your clueless. The article IS photographs.

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The Big One
By The Big One (Aug 27, 2012)

"In what way is our posting this short piece 'clueless?'"

<sarcasm>
Because he didn't use a D800, duh!
</sarcasm>

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 27, 2012)

The photographer... behind the camera... will be the only one to at least take a shot of his OWN FOOT!!! hahaha. nobody else ever did a self-portrait (not just the foot) holding a camera 'in hand' in space on the moon... (yet).

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 27, 2012)

@Paul - Neil could have said "how about a few of me" if he was really bothered, but we hear a lot about his modesty and I don' think he was bothered, so why should anyone else be.

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Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (Aug 28, 2012)

You shouldn't have to ask and besides... the other astronauts were livid! For me it was a sad footnote to history.

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Rotherhithe
By Rotherhithe (Aug 28, 2012)

You obviously believe any old tittle tattle

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 27, 2012)

Anyone familiar with extreme LOW starlight photography will verify that all these moon shots are genuinely on the moon. Most who are inexperienced with such photography, so if those unfamiliar with it were to FAKE the moonshots, they would have actually FALTERED by INCLUDING stars in ANY moonscape.
This fact still eludes those who are unfamiliar with EARTH NIGHT shots with starlight in the skies with the MOON illuminating EARTHSCAPES on the night side.
All the moonscapes were shot with exposure settings closer to DAYTIME/DAYLIGHT settings on EARTH. Thus, why there are neither stars on EITHER Earth OR Moon for ALL 'Sunny Day' shots.
If any attempts were made to INCLUDE REAL STARS for the Moonscapes, one would have to expose for them much like on the night side of Earth; but that would make the moonscapes blaringly HOT and TOO BRIGHT 'BLOWN' ALL WHITE!!! Which is impossible to do in a single exposure, much like why it is impossible to SEE stars on earth on the DAY SIDE.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 27, 2012)

The ONLY way one will ever see a NATURAL exposure of a MOONSCAPE with stars, is if it were taken exactly like it is done on Earth, and that is on the DARK NIGHT side. This will NEVER happen EVER because the Moon's NIGHT always faces AWAY from Earth, and unlike the Earth's Nightside being illuminated by the orbiting Moon, the Moon's Nightside will NEVER be illuminated by the Earth it orbits.
One would have to place in LUNAR orbit a Light Reflector on the DARKSIDE for this to ever work. (no 'cheat' multiple exposures/layering/photoshopping involved)

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Seppo Helle
By Seppo Helle (Aug 27, 2012)

Moon's night faces Earth whenever there's new moon - you don't see the Moon because it's not getting sunlight. At that time, the other side facing away is illuminated. It's not "dark side" really.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 28, 2012)

AGREE... i was pondering my answer thinking BOTH NEW MOON (monthly; you're right) AND FULL LUNAR ECLIPSES (RARE; which i was pondering as well) would WORK!!!

lol
my gaff; my bad.

although LUNAR ECLIPSES would be inconsistent, and have various RED LUNARSCAPES by degrees of the EARTH shadows involved on the Lunar surface...

thus... SOMEDAY... someone!!! please DO IT!

lol

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 28, 2012)

think-think-think-think... stuff that photographers have to ponder in order to get that 'magical' shot... naturally of course.

hahahaha
love photography.

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australopithecus
By australopithecus (Aug 27, 2012)

"bigdaddave" Well said ! I shall NEVER forget that Sunday evening when Neil and Buzz landed the LEM on the moon (Evening my time : South Africa). 12 men, in all, walked on the moon, 18 flew to it. All brave and dedicated humans.

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Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (Aug 27, 2012)

an historical tidbit: all of the main photos (Blad shots) are of Buzz... because Buzz didn't photograph Neil!!! Now when a crapstorm broke upon their return to earth over the lack of shots of Neil on the lunar surface, Buzz said "it wasn't in the photoplan and I wanted scientific material..." only the other astronauts and even flight directors have said otherwise. Sad. Buzz is still my hero... but talk about a missed shot!! The only shot of Neil is the closeup of Buzz... you sell a distorted image of Neil in buzz's mirrored visor.
Rest in peace Neil... you had the true spirit of class and humanity and you are a hero and an inspiration to us all!

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Tinta
By Tinta (Aug 27, 2012)

"Oh, Neil, almost forgot: say 'cheese' for the family. Hey, pal, don't be so shy, your hairstyle is OK, too."

If I'm on my annual holiday with my family then I want to make the pictures of my family (to be good enough) and not my wife of me.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Aug 27, 2012)

Great stuff! Good old Hassy. Was it later that NASA adopted Nikon slrs as their main cameras?

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (Aug 27, 2012)

I see some pillock has already posted about how the shots aren't really from the moon.

RIP to one of the greatest humans of all time, Neil Armstrong!

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zeidgeist
By zeidgeist (Aug 27, 2012)

Yep the phuquits are out in force again, as they are whenever the moon landings, Global warming, 9/11, Gaza is talked about. It's the NWO, but sssshhhhh, don't tell anyone.

RIP Neil Armstrong, a REAL American Hero and a great man too. When they visited Toronto, he and the Lunar landing crew gave my brother a personally signed baseball as a souvenir.

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Its RKM
By Its RKM (Aug 28, 2012)

All the proof that it was a conspiracy is here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030401130307/http://brainsluice.tripod.com/moonlanding.html

You may need to wait for the archive to update, or just press "Impatient?".

For those who question this documented archive footage, try this Wikipedia reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clangers

An appropriate intellectual level for the conspiracists. ;-)

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Al de Wet
By Al de Wet (Aug 29, 2012)

Fake or no fake. How about resent photos of the landing site, the footprints and the flag. That would put an end to the speculation...

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Derrick Louw
By Derrick Louw (Sep 1, 2012)

Change the way you see the world and the news:
http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

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mrniel52
By mrniel52 (Sep 4, 2012)

I always found it unbeliveable how people are displaying their lack of knowlegde and to some extend intelligence, for all to view.
Alll sane people, know how to get their information from a multiply of sources, and there is literally a mountain af those available from those missions. and not 1 or 2 pics, but thousands upon thousands. not to speak of km of films.
I some way i feel pity upon those fools, missing out on one of mankinds greatest feats, and living a life with blindfolds on.

Having trough the last 43 years read searched viewed and grabbed everything i could about the apollo program. I'm always in awe about what the americans achieved, with very rudemetary equipment but great organisation and curage.
My salute, and wave goodbuy to one of my heroes.
Mr armstrong, thank you.

Mikael nielsen
copenhagen denmark

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