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Just Posted: Canon EOS 650D / EOS Rebel T4i review

By dpreview staff on Aug 20, 2012 at 19:22 GMT

Just Posted: Our review of the Canon EOS 650D / EOS Rebel T4i. The 650D is the latest in Canon's popular series of mass-market DSLRs and, at first glance, the 18MP camera doesn't look radically different to its predecessor, the 600D/Rebel T3i. However, Canon has added a touchscreen interface and a hybrid autofocus system aimed at improving focus performance in live view and movie shooting. What do these capabilities add to the otherwise familiar camera? Read our review to find out.

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photodog25
By photodog25 (Aug 20, 2012)

The Raw comparison page shows the 650D seemingly badly mis-focused on the coin (default crop of the scene) at ISO 1600. The other ISOs look pretty good.

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Dragonfire
By Dragonfire (Aug 20, 2012)

Hey Amadou,
why is there a tremendous difference in "ergonomics" when I compare to Nikon D5100? 8 vs 13 points? Usefull touchscreen cannot be the reason for the whole can it?

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Aug 20, 2012)

Ergonomics, handling and operation; the touchscreen is a massive improvement in adjusting settings on the camera. It's not something you can get a sense of from a specs page. And you have to force yourself at the beginning to break long-standing habits of pressing external buttons (because they're all still there). But this touchscreen interface is a really efficient way of working with the camera, especially in combination with the main dial and 4-way controller.

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AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Aug 20, 2012)

We knew all this, so nothing to see here

The 650D is a nice camera but in light of the competition it is now overpriced.

The 9 point AF was a welcome addition as was the increase in fps, but most of the other add-ons just look tacked on while canon decide which way to jump.

No reason why Canon didn't offer more, other than to protect its current higher end systems.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Aug 20, 2012)

Yeah, like the 2-year-old 60D and 3-year-old 7D. I guess that's what passes for "current" for Canon.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (Aug 20, 2012)

On the bright side, the release of the T4i/650D knocked down the street price of the T3i/600D. The T3i is currently $699.00 on AmazonUSA.

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T3
By T3 (Aug 20, 2012)

"We knew all this, so nothing to see here"

So you're saying there's no point in reviews? The same can be said of plenty of cameras. Someone is ALWAYS going to complain, "We knew all this, so nothing to see here." EVERY new increase or addition of specs or features is ALWAYS going to be considered to "looked tacked on" by someone. In other words, there are always going to be whiners whining for the sake of whining.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Aug 20, 2012)

I think Nikon D3200 and EOS 650D give us baseline value DSLRs. Now, it will be interesting to see how Pentax K-30 and Sony A57 compare.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 22, 2012)

IF DPR does its job correctly and doesn't fall victim to its tendency to favor Canikon (i.e. this is too high a score for a 4th generation sensor - just a small white elephant in the room), then the K-30 should *SMOKE* the T4i in every regard except video.

And by smoke I mean like the fires out West this past year. But it's a big if...

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Aug 20, 2012)

Good job dpreview. Very good review as always.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Aug 22, 2012)

And now -finally- with AF performance demo!

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Aug 20, 2012)

Why were the T1i, T2i, and T3i all considered to be mid level Interchangeable lens cameras and the T4i is now entry level? Was that a mistake?

It is quite telling that the T2i still sells extremely well. This T4i seems more like a T2.2. Not that it is a bad camera. It just really isn't as exciting as some of the other new products we have seen lately.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Aug 20, 2012)

Corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 20, 2012)

The 650D is one of those awkward cameras that straddles our categories. Some manufacturers have more products than others, which doesn't help either.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Aug 20, 2012)

The T4i is still showing in the conclusion as entry level? Is that correct?

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revio
By revio (Aug 21, 2012)

@mpgxsvcd:
So what if a camera is "considered to be" of this or that "level"! Compare its actual performance to your needs and other cameras performing at or close to the camera in question. Then make your choice.

What kind of "level" some one else than you yourself considers it to be is irrellevant.

That said, of curse it´s expcted that a camera testing website places cameras of the same "class" in the same "class" now when hey long ago has begun to use such wording when comparing them.
The only "level" I´d consider is price level, and that changes in time so a camera can at times happen to find itself in another "class" or "level" just because its price gor lowered/risen vs other cameras.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 21, 2012)

lol, it's still a Rebel.
nevertheless, its always good to see a Rebel improve.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 20, 2012)

In the conclusion: "The EOD 650D carries on the tradition of high image quality from previous Rebel series cameras."

But isn't it in fact the lowest image quality of all modern (2012) DSLRs? And even modern mirrorless, like Fuji X-Pro1, Pentax k-01, Sony NEX C3/F3/5N/7 and Olympus E-M5 are better?

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Aug 20, 2012)

you wont win any competition with either of those cameras so why bother?

buy a book about compostition....

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Aug 20, 2012)

@ Henry M. Hertz I think you could win any competition with any of those cameras if your a good photographer; and if your a bad photographer, not even the Phase One IQ180 would guarantee a win.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Aug 21, 2012)

comparing a Rebel, the base dSLR, T4i vs the flagship fuji X-Pro1, yes...
but the others, no.
Pentax k-01 worse than T4i, for sure.
Sony NEX (all but 5N) worse, more so under lower/less light and higher ISOs
Olympus E-M5 is close, and not better than T4i, they are more even than different.

one must keep in mind, the T4i, is bested even by the Canon PowerShot G1X, which exceeds all of the above mentioned, but 'maybe' not the fuji X-Pro1

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Aug 21, 2012)

All the dynamic range charts and even noise charts say different. What proof are you offering to back your statement ?

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ageha
By ageha (Aug 21, 2012)

Nothing as usual. sdyue still hasn't seen the doctor.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 21, 2012)

sdyue, do you even read to the IQ comparison pages (including DR, high ISO etc)? The 18Mpix Canons with their 3 y/o sensors and slow DIGIC 5s are absolutely the worst cameras of 2012, to get anything worse you need to dig all the way down to Pana GF5 with it's 4 y/o 12mpix sensor.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Aug 20, 2012)

DPR Why did you fast track this camera over ones that have been available longer and are probably better, like the A57 and K-30 and GF5 and RX100?

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ET2
By ET2 (Aug 20, 2012)

A couple of authors wrote two 400 page books on A57 and got it published. Apparently it takes DPR much longer than that to write 15 page review.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 20, 2012)

You want the A57 reviewed. I know. I get it.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 20, 2012)

Icy--

Seems to me that IR posted something about the RX100, and DPRev posted some general comments about the K-30.

You can always read what buyers of the Sony A57 say at B&H. (bhphotovideo.com)

I'd be the A57 is better at low light than the A77.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Aug 20, 2012)

Sony is so unfairly treated here on DPR, they know, they get it.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 21, 2012)

Oh yeah, we hate Sony... or is it Nikon we hate this week? Depends on who's paying us for favorable reviews this week, I suppose, or how much inventory of whatever camera that Amazon needs to shift... I lose track.

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raimaster
By raimaster (Aug 21, 2012)

the question from IcyVeins is very clear but still no answer from dpr team: this camera (650D) arrived later than sony 57 or pentax k30, but why get the review first???

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Aug 21, 2012)

Guys I am a Sony shooter but lets face it Sony has launched too many similar models - The A37,A35,A55,A57 that all share the same sensor and have merely few small differences between them.

The D3200 had a new sensor so many were curious as to how it would perform. Similarly the Canon has a new hybrid AF system which many would also wish to know how it would perform.

The A57 shares so many features with the old A55 (same sensor, same AF system, same LCD etc) that there is nothing new or exciting that would leave a big question mark.

There is a new NEX rumour which says that the latest NEX will also have a phase/contrast AF system not very different from the Canon mirrorless camera but many would be dying to know how it would stack up with the competition. Now I am willing to bet that DPreview would definitely fast track that review. :)

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Scott Nicol
By Scott Nicol (Aug 21, 2012)

Another Sony shooter here - as much as I'm interested in seeing an a57 review, its strange to say DPR hate Sony - look at the list of golds awarded to interchangeable lens cameras since they updated their review format a few years back - 12 cameras got the gold and 4 of them were Sony (c.f. 3 canon, 3 nikon and 1 for Pentax and Olympus) - they may take their time reviewing all the different Sony models that flood in but they do seem to like them... they like them quite a bit in fact.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 21, 2012)

IMO, the Canon got reviewed first because it will out sell the Sony maybe what, 5-1, more? Interest drives hits, and lets face it, more people want to see the Canon review than the Sony. This is just my opinion, but if i ran a website, thats how I would do it.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Aug 21, 2012)

Hope you know I was kidding Barney ;)

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ageha
By ageha (Aug 21, 2012)

Still don't think Barney gets it.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Aug 20, 2012)

Cameras like the G5 keep looking better and better. Soon DSLRs will be for semi and PRO only.

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techmine
By techmine (Aug 20, 2012)

I totally agree. The mirrorless and enthusiast p&s cameras are getting better and better. They are overcoming their shortcomings very fast. On the other hand DSLRs are struggling to up the ante. Right now, bigger sensor is the only thing abuzz.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 20, 2012)

techmine--

Try matching the buffer or the lowlight performance of the Nikon D4 with a mirrorless system.

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FTW
By FTW (Aug 21, 2012)

Compare what is comparable. 650$ against 5000$. Somewhere you can expect to get something more for that price, don't ya think so?

But, I am willed to compare any D800 against a NEX-7 and I bet all you want that, resized to same size, you can't find out what camera shot what picture, and here we are again comparing 5000$ including glass to some 1800$. So, is price and pixel count a bargain. I don't think so. I hardly touch any of my dslr's since I use the NEX-7 and I think to sell all the Nikon stuff soon. Sony is progressing in a way that Nikon will soon hardly follow the evolution. Anyway, Nikon's success is Sony's work too. And, with the NEX-7, Sony has what Nikon users are awaiting since a long time, not the silly N1 system. I used Nikon since 1967, so can't say I am a newbie. Low light is Nikon's strength, but ay what price? If coming D600 will have correct pricing, I will think about it, if not, I await Sony A88 and 99.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 21, 2012)

FTW:

Neither the D800 nor the Nex 7 are particularly useable over ISO 3200, however the Nikon has a few more high quality native lenses than the Sony.

You can still buy a D700 which is good in lowlight, what would be nice would be a D700s with the D3s' sensor.

The D3 (D700), D3s, and D4 don't use Sony sensors. But sure Sony did some nice sensors for the D3x, D300s, and the D7000, none of which interest me.

NB: In '67 Nikon was making film cameras, so there's no point in bringing up how long you've used Nikon cameras, now if you want to a talk about some great Nikon lens from say 1970 that you still use, go ahead.

The Nikon 1 system isn't silly, it just needs a couple of fast lenses.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 20, 2012)

AF speed is sad to be painfully slow in the DP Review article. The video clips illustrate this point quite well. Whereas the T4i is good for taking still photos, for video use there is no reason at all to use a traditional flip-mirror DSLR, and all the reasons to use a mirrorles digital camera, or else the Sony Single Lens Translucent camera.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 20, 2012)

I have a 4-years old, $120 Nikon pocket-cam that has a wonderful AF illuminator light that comes on and works in both still picture and video modes.
Flash forward to the year 2012 and to the Canon Rebel T4i that costs about 5x as much as the little Nikon referred to above. Guess what? Canon had conveniently "forgot" to put in a AF illuminator into their latest prosumer DSLR camera. I guess if you have a strong flashlight/torchlight with you at all times, you would not need on in the camera -- or so the thinking must have gone with the Canon corporate bean counters.

Regarding hybrid AF (phase + contrast detection) -- well, mirrorless cameras have had that feature for years. Just ask Panasonic, Sony, and so forth. Can Canon ever come up with something that others have not already come up with before? We begin to wonder.

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Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Aug 20, 2012)

650D is entry level consumer DSLR, not enthusiast/prosumer DSLR. (which position is now shared by 60D/7D)

And Nikon 1 is only mirrorless with phase detection.
But what Chipworks gives available for free from 650D's teardown shows Canon sensor's phase detection definitely isn't up to level in Nikon 1.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Aug 20, 2012)

Francis - this is the second time you've claimed that Sony and Panasonic offer hybrid systems. That is not the case.

So far we have seen on-sensor phase detection from: Fujifilm, Nikon and now Canon (Ricoh had a two-sensor hybrid system, but that's different)

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Aug 20, 2012)

As noted in the review, the 650D uses the pop-up flash for AF illumination. Not ideal, but that's not the same as claiming they don't offer it at all.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 20, 2012)

Francis--

Does that $120 Nikon shoot raw and take interchangeable lenses?

How's it shoot at ISO 1600? Now about the buffer...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Aug 21, 2012)

Sony SLT's "hybrid system" nomenclature is based on their own publicity material. It has got something to do with the camera being able to do continuous autofocus, and show what it records (in video mode) either through its viewfinder or via its built-in LCD screen. If the Caninkon DSLRs can also do this with similar ease, then I stand corrected. Otherwise, not.

RAWman, the $120 Nikon L120 does not shoot "RAW." Fortunately. Nor do you have to buy dubious value-for-$ extra-cost lenses for it, also fortunately. Heck, it only costs 120 bucks! Obviously, these old school, flipping mirror DSLRs like the latest Canon T4i attempt do not hold a candle to today's modern mirrorless design cameras, or even to the SLT design favored by Sony. But hey, DSLRs will always have their defenders, no matter what and at what cost.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 21, 2012)

"So far we have seen on-sensor phase detection from: Fujifilm, Nikon and now Canon (Ricoh had a two-sensor hybrid system, but that's different)"

Fuji? Which one?
At least Sony NEX-5R and NEX-6 with on-sensor PDAF are all over Internet...

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fdfgdfgdgf
By fdfgdfgdgf (Aug 20, 2012)

The photo gallery link is broken

I Looked again to video section and photo preview, Amadou review seems very good particularly covering all real-life aspects in video/photo gallery

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Aug 20, 2012)

Thanks for mentioning that. It's been fixed.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 20, 2012)

So, it is the same ancient sensor from 7D and 550D (Rebel T2i)... High ISO is no better.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Aug 20, 2012)

Its new because they have Phase detector built in now.

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Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Aug 20, 2012)

That phase detection aspect looks little weak with only some irregularly positioned pixels equipped for it unlike in Nikon 1 whose sensor has lines of pixels capable to phase detecting just like in SLR's separate PDAF sensors.
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2012/07/inside-the-canon-rebel-t4i-dslr/

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 20, 2012)

But the other, more important aspects of the sensor are the same, as evidenced by the behind-the-times noise and DR of the sensor. Use of some pixels for phase detection vs light gathering is a relatively minor modification.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Aug 20, 2012)

What I wanted to say is that its only new because of the PD feature.

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fdfgdfgdgf
By fdfgdfgdgf (Aug 20, 2012)

The Auto focus in video mode is not good. focusing is not consistent and get out and back from focus

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random78
By random78 (Aug 20, 2012)

Does this review including the AF comparison for video mode that was in progress. I quickly skimmed through but didn't see it. Though I might not have looked hard enough

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Aug 20, 2012)

That's going to be part of a separate article - though some of what we learned in researching it is written about in the review.

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random78
By random78 (Aug 20, 2012)

Thanks! will wait for that. And yeah I saw the comments on video AF in movie section. Looks like it is pretty bad. Based on what you have seen so far, would you say it is even worse than the CDAF based tacking video AF in G5 etc?

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matt25
By matt25 (Aug 20, 2012)

Since Hybrid AF is really most important for video on the Canon Rebel, it would be very useful to see a comparison of video AF on moving subjects for different DSLR and mirrorless cameras. This needs, of course, to be of exactly the same scenes. The review says that it is so unreliable to be essentially unusable, but the footage I have seen elsewhere of similar scenes shows the hybrid AF on the rebel providing smoother video than the Panasonic G3 for example, while zooming, because it does less noticeable focus adjustments.
Static, single shot scene comparisons are must less useful in comparison. In the end, which video AF gives the best results in actual footage?
Also, has anyone been in touch with Canon? Do they think that firmware can help the hybrid focus or is it performing as expected?

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random78
By random78 (Aug 20, 2012)

Zooming has its own set of problems even if we take AF out of the picture. Unless you have power zoom like camcorders or P&S cameras, the jerks that you get while zooming via the zoom ring are more objectionable than the slow AF shift.

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eliehbk
By eliehbk (Aug 20, 2012)

I used the camera for few days, it is not bad but the price is a little bit too much for my taste, I think in this category the Pentax K30 is the best choice, weather sealing, smaller, sturdier and love Pentax pancakes. I ended up buying the Samsung NX20 to complement my omd, I like the fact that it is not tiny but still smaller than a dslr and image quality is great. In the end any camera that you're gonna buy and enjoy using is the best one...

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Sergeg
By Sergeg (Aug 20, 2012)

Just got mine yesterday and took it out for a shoot in the afternoon.
The LV focus while improved in speed, is useless in video mode as it hunts on pans and is very noisy. Other than that, no gripes, the IQ is excellent, had the 600 and 550D before that, this is a worthy evolution and represents best bang for the buck for the first time buyer

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Edymagno
By Edymagno (Aug 21, 2012)

In Live View, in Av there is a lot of information cluttering the image and still I can't see the actual shutter speed. WTF? I supposed that in Tv one cannot see the actual aperture.

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