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Just Posted: Our review of the Samsung NX210 Wi-Fi capable smart camera

By dpreview staff on Aug 14, 2012 at 20:56 GMT

Just Posted: Our Samsung NX210 review. The NX210 is one of the first of Samsung's range of 'smart' Wi-Fi connected models. While plenty of manufacturers are experimenting with cameras that can connect to smartphones, Samsung is the first to offer this capability built-into an interchangeable lens camera. Spec-wise, the NX210 builds on the 20MP NX200, so our review mainly looks at the differences between the two cameras. Does the NX210 succeed in bringing smartphone convenience to large-sensor photography? Read our review to find out.

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (Aug 20, 2012)

I was surprised at how poor the image quality appeared, even at base IS0, to the Sony Nex 5N. Check the comparator images, I invariably use the top portion of the globe, that I had to double check that the Samsung used an APS-C sensor.

The results seemed at odds with the assessment of image quality. Was there a problem with the studio set up for the Samsung session? Not enough depth of field, perhaps? Or is the result indeed indicative of the (lack of?) quality from this camera?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 20, 2012)

Gee, there haven't been a lot of complaints about the image quality from the NX200.

And the NX20 I had did really well at image quality--those two cameras use this same sensor.

These not studio shots from England with the NX20 look pretty darn good, even if they're not your taste in subjects.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/samsung_nx20_review/sample_images/

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Gesture
By Gesture (9 months ago)

Given usability, richness of interface and capabilities, world-class ergonomics, even an old-timer like myself would say "image ain't everything." The Samung sensors are no slouches.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (9 months ago)

I have had the same suspicions.
either there was a problem with the setup, the guy doing the test, or there was a bad lens sample (not impossible with the 18-55 kit).
on imaging-resource.com they were able to produce very decent test shots (with the nx20, same sensor)... that compare favorably to any camera you can put it up against. (mft or aps)

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JWest
By JWest (Aug 18, 2012)

I wish DPReview would stop insulting my NX100's appearance by recycling their "unlovable molten plastic" comment every single time they review any Samsung NX product. :)

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sensibill
By sensibill (Aug 21, 2012)

There's not much love for Samsung NX products at DPR.

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Gesture
By Gesture (9 months ago)

The camera that gets no respect. Great for users; keeps prices low. Outstanding cameras.

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techmine
By techmine (Aug 16, 2012)

Wasn't NX20 more appropriate camera to review. This review is just the extension of NX200. NX20 review could have given more information about Samsung's DSLR look alike particularly with respect to the viewfinder, grip and speed.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 16, 2012)

The NX20 is too slow--it is impossible to record say 5 single raws in 10 seconds, even with a U1 SDHC card.

The EVF is very good, though not quite upto the Sony Nex 7's EVF.

The rear flip screen is staggering. I have never seen anything like it short of say the optical view finder on an Sony A900 or Nikon D3s.

The grip is nice. It's usable through ISO 4000 (raw).

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Aug 17, 2012)

Any idea why it's so slow? I had gotten the impression that this latest generation was improved in that respect. Can't see any good reason it should be any slower than the NX210. Seems to be more or less the same except for the evf.

I really want to like these cameras. Samsung has done so much right with them, but the few big flaws are hard to overlook. It might be easier if they were slightly cheaper. They can't be more expensive than Sony, especially since it looks like the 5n replacement also has wi-fi.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 17, 2012)

MarkInSF:

I can not say why the NX20 is so slow, but the NX200 also has a bad reputation. Yes, the cards were formatted in the camera.

Also in high speed continuous on can capture many raws in a second, but once you lift your finger from the shutter button, the camera takes time to process those raws to the SD card before you can shoot again and you can't switch to single shot mode during that time.

So realistically with the NX20, it's one raw per 5 seconds if you need to have the buffer keep up. And you must use the fastest card you can get--like one with a write speed of 90MB per sec. (Yes you can capture 2 or 3 single raws quickly, but then that's it; the buffer will take like 15 seconds to clear and you can't shoot during that clearing time.)

My two NX100 bodies don't have this problem recording raws quickly. I wouldn't go so far as to call the NX100 a sports camera, but the buffer is not a problem.

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techmine
By techmine (Aug 18, 2012)

Thanks for the info. Can't live with a slow camera. Have a D300s and it take 7fps with almost no buffer issue. Can't imagine a life with 1fp5s :-) I would have bought N210 if it had a viewfinder accessory.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 18, 2012)

techmine:

Perhaps there is a firmware fix that Samsung can issue for the NX200, NX210, NX20 and I suspect the NX1000. (The NX20 does have a built in EVF and the NX100 takes an accessory EVF.)

Though I wouldn't expect 7 raws per sec for say 20 shots. Get a D4 for that kind of speed.

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David Zamora
By David Zamora (Aug 16, 2012)

For those of you who were drawn to this review because of it's wi-fi capability, you may find this interesting.

From the latest reviews of this working directly with a smartphone, it appears that the phone app is what will cause this product to fail, unless Samsung fixes all of the out-of-the-box bugs it comes with. Complaints are that it is failing to work after the phone is updated, and is completely wiping out all of your saved wi-fi keys from previously connected networks. This is affecting all of their new models, the 210, x1000 and their other DSLR wifi model..can't recall the model name.

(cont)..

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David Zamora
By David Zamora (Aug 16, 2012)

But, I digress. It appears that the wi-fi > phone usability is broken. But, to my satisfaction, I recently found out that the Eye Fi SD cards already does exactly this, and it's pretty much seamless, except that it takes about 30 seconds or so for it to pair to the phone, but I can live with that. I went out to the local Best B** and bought a 4 GB Eye-Fi card, popped the card in my camera, installed the app on my phone, and voila. I'm using the Eye Fi with my Canon S95, and it's freaking awesome. I snap a shot, it immediately pairs to my phone and begins transferring the photo/s wirelessly to my Android.

(cont)

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David Zamora
By David Zamora (Aug 16, 2012)

After a couple minutes, I can then upload those shots from my phone to my Facebook account, dropbox and any other app that allows image uploading. I have been wanting to do this soooo badly over the past year. Mainly because I don't carry a laptop with me to restaurants, entertainment venues, walking out and about...but now, I'm able to shoot with an amazing quality P&S camera and immediately share my images with friends, without having to take the dang thing home, transfer them to my laptop, create a photo folder, edit then finally upload to my media sites....

Crap, sorry guys, I'm going on and on about the card and not this camera and I probably sound like a dang marketing AD. Anyways, for those of you who may be wanting to use camera wifi capabilities for the same reasons I do, I just wanted to share my experiences with you.

...with we could type more characters :)

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JG789
By JG789 (Aug 16, 2012)

Why are there no sample images for this camera ??

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Aug 16, 2012)

The NX210 has IQ identical to that of the NX200. We provide a link to that camera's full review on the first page of the NX210 review.

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RadPhoto
By RadPhoto (Aug 16, 2012)

Doesn't this look like Sony NEX? Can't Samsung come up with something original?

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Ian Leach
By Ian Leach (Aug 16, 2012)

You do realize that Samsung NX cameras came out before Sony NEX cameras, so it is actually the other way around. Sony even ripped off the name!

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gsum
By gsum (Aug 16, 2012)

No it doesn't look like a Sony NEX. The Samsung is larger, easier to handle, has a better menu system and a better kit zoom than the Sony.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 18, 2012)

Hey Idiots, get your facts straight, Samsuck NX10 was first in Jan 2010, but was a Panasonic G1 rip-off with APC-S and not a compact camera, the Sony NEX 3 was in May 2010 and the first compact APS-C of it's kind... Samsuck copied with the NX100 in September 2010 because Panasonic was not cool anymore, new kid on the block AKA Sony, you sound like Samsuck when they were trying to say Apple stole the iPhone from Sony so they can counter the fact that they copy from Apple.
I will be here all week to prove you wrong Samsuck fans, or not? because your kind gets one banned for pointing out that they are Idiots

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Aug 22, 2012)

I think one got banned for using vulgar language towards other posters.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 23, 2012)

@ Professor999 Aaaaaa.. it makes my hart warm inside to think you have nothing better to do than follow me around this site ;)

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Aug 23, 2012)

Your ban obviously didn't improve your manners.
Just pointing out the real reason you were banned.

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Gesture
By Gesture (9 months ago)

Night and day. The Samsungs are simply more agile and powerful cameras due to the superior interface.

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random78
By random78 (Aug 16, 2012)

Nice overview, though there is one thing which the review should mention but does not. NX200 with the firmware update gives the same "compressed" or "optimized" RAW files as NX210 with similarly improved write times. So NX210 doesn't really have an advantage here.

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Puddleglum
By Puddleglum (Aug 15, 2012)

Forget all the half-baked upload and sharing features. Just make wireless transfer to smartphones easy, and toss in GPS tagging over Bluetooth from a smartphone, and you've got a winner.

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David Zamora
By David Zamora (Aug 16, 2012)

I'm in the same boat with you. After some internet scouring for alternatives, I found out that the Smart Fi SD card updated their firmware last year to do exactly that. It works perfectly paired to my Droid. I'm using it now for FB :)

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 15, 2012)

$900 for NX210 kit seems excessive when NEX-5N kit can be had for $700, don't you think? And Samsung probably wonders why they are not popular...

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 15, 2012)

Oops, half-review again. They are definitely on vacations.

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audijam
By audijam (Aug 15, 2012)

what's there to review? after all....it's a samsung : o

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 15, 2012)

I would say something bad about Samsuck, but I will be baned for 14 days again, nice pictures, I think my Sony Xperia Arc could have done a better job

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 15, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Still making preposterous claims about the purported low quality pictures from Samsung NX cameras.

Sorry, I've used this sensor in the NX20, and it's really really good.

Here are some NX20 jpegs and raws you can download for yourself and see. Remember to use ACR.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/samsung_nx20_review/sample_images/

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 18, 2012)

Yes I'm still making the claim, just like you are still making the claim that Samsuck is the best. I guess we will never change

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 18, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

There you go again making more false claims. I've never said either Samsung lenses or cameras are the best. On the other hand in non-fabulist reality: I have said Samsung makes really good NX lenses and the NX100 does a really good job when using raw and ACR. I've also pointed out that Samsung makes better LED TVs than Sony. "Best" is only something I've used to describe Leica and Zeiss lenses in these forums, though perhaps I've used best to describe ACR.

Boerseuntjie, you seem really confused about the meaning of language. And are very guilty of what you very falsely claim in others. This is not a way to go through life if you ever need to deal with another person face to face.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 23, 2012)

Thanks for the advise but how does a leopard change their spots.
One thing I do like about you is you articulate well and seem like a reasonable person so I would suggest you have a look at the Sony XBR55H929 TV before you make claims about Samsuck TV's and everyone knows LG makes better TV's than Samsuck, but if you are cheap you can't beat Samsuck they give away those TV's when you buy a Sofa
If you know your History you would know that Samsuck and Sony had a joined TV display manufacturing plant at one time, were do you think Samsuck learned how to make "good" TV's

http://www.hhgregg.com/sony-55-class-3d-1080p-240hz-bravia-led-hdtv/item/XBR55HX929

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Aug 23, 2012)

3,000 grand?
For a TV?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-10/sony-forecasts-first-profit-in-five-years-as-hirai-restructures.html

And they're laying off 10,000 employees?

And Samsung,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2136166/Samsung-roars-record-5-2BN-profit-sells-20-000-Galaxy-handsets-hour--analyst-warns-Apple-fail-just-like-Sony.html

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 23, 2012)

You get what you pay for and I would not pay too much attention to the dailymail UK all this prove is there is a lot of cheap uninformed sheep out there

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Aug 23, 2012)

"You get what you pay for",
As the saying goes 'a fool and his money are soon parted'.

Of course you wouldn't believe the daily mail uk article as it disagrees with your point of view.

How about Reuters,

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/us-samsung-earnings-forecast-idUSBRE8640WO20120706

cnbc,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48345895/Smartphones_Power_Record_Samsung_Profit_of_5_9_Billion_During_Apple_Lull

Industry Week,

http://www.industryweek.com/global-economy/samsung-posts-record-profit

Baaaa!!!!

Or sour grapes?

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 25, 2012)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-05/apple-wins-ruling-sanctions-in-samsung-infringement-lawsuit.html

SOUR GRAPES for Samsuck AKA Copymaster

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 25, 2012)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/25/us-apple-samsung-trial-idUSBRE87N13V20120825

Here is one from Reuters read an weep, only a FOOL would buy cheap knock off"s
From a Company with no imagination, happy shopping.
Well it looks like they made $1.05 Billion less this year....LOL

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 25, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Particularly for TVs, it is best to look at the TVs, not articles about them. This is generally true of cameras too.

Who cares if LG makes better LED TVs than Samsung? The point is that the so called high end Sony LED TVs I've seen don't really come close to the best of what Samsung makes.

Now in a few years, Samsung and LG will both be shipping AMOLED TVs--Sony had it's chance with that Kodak technology and only ever shipped a very small TV with a 10" AMOLED screen. (Last I saw it was turned into a $30,000 monitor--and no it's not the same as the newish white panel OLED monitor from Sony.)

Look the Sony Nex 5n is really nice camera, too bad it doesn't have the native lens selection or native lens quality of Samsung NX cameras. With the caveat that it can't be used over ISO1600, the same point is true of the Sony Nex 7.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 26, 2012)

You must be looking at things with Samsuck glasses because I have looked at and own TV`s from Pioneer, Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony and Samsuck and well all the Japanese SO CALLED...LOL High end TV`s blow everything away that Samsuck can come up with Yes who cares but LG does make better TV`s and you don't know what you are talking about that is fact.
The only thing Samsuck has going for it is it makes mediocre products at a reasonable price and if you are thrifty or cheap go ahead and buy it.
You keep on saying how great the NX lenses are in your opinion, but I don't go by opinions so prove it

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 26, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

As for NX lenses you'll have to go try them and then you can make up whatever excuses you want for being wrong here. I recommend you try the F2 30 if you're up for a challenge to your preconceptions. So enjoy that Samsung NX camera and lens you'll need to buy now. Then there's the Hyundai you should just be breaking in.

Now "HD" TVs, you do understand of course that Sony, Panasonic, Samsung etc all sell different grades of "HD" TVs? And you do understand that I never said all Samsung flat screens best all Sony flat screens?

Now the highend Samsungs I've seen (TA950 in the US) easily beat the highend Sonys in 2D mode, so no glasses required.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 27, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Here's someone else who thinks very very highly of Samsung NX lenses:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/24/mirrorless-mirrorless-on-the-wall-part-ii

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 27, 2012)

Went to Walmart, Bestbuy and a few Camera stores and nobody has any NX cameras, or had any idea Samsuck made cameras worth looking at.. sorry, and I don't think a 27" computer monitor beats any Sony TV or even the Apple Computer Display but nice try

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 27, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Sorry the Samsung TV model TA 950 aint a monitor. Though I'm sure it can be used as such. Those newish Apple monitors aren't real good either. Bet the Sony WOLED monitor easily beats Apple there. Though I haven't seen one of the $2400 Sonys yet.

Also no one who cares about cameras shops for them at either Walmart or Best Buy, both are jokes broadly, you made my point really well with that claim about Walmart, you're not interested in high quality cameras or lenses.

About the best you'll find at either store is a Canon S100 or a Nikon D3200, and that last can't touch the image quality of the NX20--it's the limited Sony sensor, not the Nikon lenses that's the problem. Don't care if you're in Canada, Henry's stocks the NX20.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 28, 2012)

Walmart sells Canon Rebels and Bestbuy has the 5D MK II Henry's do not stock Samsuck but they can have one to you in 4-7 weeks hot of the line from China, enjoy watching TV on your computer monitor...LOL

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 28, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Despite your claims, in the US, that's a Samsung TV and it's very very good, though I think now discontinued. I don't own flatscreen TV, I await AMOLED TVs.

Interesting that Bestbuy Canada has the Canon 5D II, that's much better that in the US, though now there's the Mark III.

Henry's website most certainly lists the Samsung NX20 as ready to ship.

That Samsung has awful marketing for cameras no one disputes and this means that there aren't demo units in stores frequently. The Canadian website barely exists and the USA's version isn't real helpful.

But bad marketing does not equal bad lenses and cameras.

You clearly still haven't read this post, so I'll link it again:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/24/mirrorless-mirrorless-on-the-wall-part-ii

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 28, 2012)

Look I'm willing to have a look at a NX-NEX rip off, when I do end up finding one I will let you know.
Note this is a camera store close to my house they don't have any Samsung cameras and the employee laughed at my face when I asked to see a NX or any Samsung camera, not that it surprises me because they don't see Sony cameras as serious cameras either, Samsuck might want to work on that.
Ps. look at their website they don't even have any Samsung listed.
http://www.mcbaincamera.com/

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 28, 2012)

Boerseu...

Why are you acting like it's news that Samsung camera marketing is terrible? No one disputes that point.

When you manage to find Samsung NX camera make sure to use the F2 30mm.

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Simon97
By Simon97 (Aug 15, 2012)

Looking at the RAWs, they are better than the 4/3rds cameras and a bit behind the NEX in the comparison. It makes me wonder why the jpegs look like a crappy P&S at higher ISOs. If it has NR control, turn it way down.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 15, 2012)

"Looking at the RAWs, they are better than the 4/3rds cameras"

No, they are not, if you not compare with 4-y/o 12 mpix sensor of course.

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random78
By random78 (Aug 15, 2012)

peevee1, have you actually used the camera? I have used the cameras with the Panasonic 12MP sensor, I have used the Panasonic 16MP sensor cameras, I have used the E-M5, I have used the NX200 and I have used the NEX-5N. And I am talking about actual usage not just test shots. The NX200 sensor in my actual experience is way ahead of the 12MP Panasonic sensor and very close to NEX-5N sensor, except in terms of low ISO dynamic range where NEX-5N has an advantage. The E-M5 lags behind NX200 at high ISO and probably comparable in terms of base ISO DR.

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Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Aug 16, 2012)

random78, you should well know that five years old tech mediocre already as new sensor is useless for comparison unless you want to distort results.
Same really for your "actual use": Unless all tested cameras are triggered at the same moment it gives them too easily "Random starting positions different distance from the goal line."
Controlled illumination studio scene is closest to even playing field for every camera.

NX200/210 cheat at 6400 by removing noise from RAW at expense of softening visible well in paper clips and markings of batteries so full comparing of sensor performance would require doing same for E-M5.
Otherwise RAW is close call with E-M5 (modern tech Sony sensor) having finer grain noise in dark areas at 1600/3200.
Samsung having so much more out of focus makes comparison of all studio scene's areas impossible.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Aug 16, 2012)

random78, objective testing shows differently.

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random78
By random78 (Aug 16, 2012)

Esa - I am comparing to NEX-5N and E-M5 not to some 5 years old sensors. I have also compared the RAW files from dpreview and imaging-resource and they match my own experience. The studio scenes are useful for controlled testing however actual use in a variety of conditions tells a lot which you don't see from studio shots. Its ironic you think you can tell more about a camera by looking at online samples rather than actually using it :) Don't tell me that you know more about these cameras without using them than I know after using them extensively.

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random78
By random78 (Aug 16, 2012)

peevee1, please point me to this objective testing. I haven't seen any objective testing which supports what you are saying. I have no brand loyalty and have used pretty much all camera brands. And I still use multiple brands so I actually tend to be fairly objective in my assessments.

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wootpile
By wootpile (Aug 15, 2012)

Bleh review from dpreview again. Can't you guys even take focused studio shots any more?

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Simon97
By Simon97 (Aug 15, 2012)

If you look at focus scale (next to the black box with the colored puff balls), you can see that the focus is SPOT ON. Seems like they used a wider aperture. Not sure.

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Kelcey Smith
By Kelcey Smith (Aug 15, 2012)

The studio comparison shots for this camera were taken with Samsung's 60mm lens as it is currently the best prime that they offer. When compared to other APS-C cameras shot at 50mm, this lens / sensor combination produces a narrower depth of field making the background appear less sharp. However our main concern is to make sure that the main scene elements in the middle of the focus plane are as sharp as possible to allow comparison between all cameras. If you look at the studio comparison for the NX200 next to the NX210 you will see that the DOF is matched very closely.

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gsum
By gsum (Aug 15, 2012)

Kelcey, your reply illustrates perfectly the problem with studio test shots - you have to ensure that you select in-focus bits of the images when doing the comparisons.That is difficult across several images from different cameras as the in-focus regions do not correspond with each other exactly.
I prefer to use real-world examples that contain both random and coherent elements (i.e. foliage and architecture respectively) together with high contrast at the corners of the image to show up any aberration problems. Real-world examples show the Samsung cameras and their lenses to be a little better than the Sony NEX5 regarding sharpness and aberration and very similar in IQ across the ISOs.
However, keep up the good work. I managed to pick up a new NX100 with lens for under 180GBP. Given the price v. image quality the nx100 is currently photography's best kept secret.

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wootpile
By wootpile (Aug 15, 2012)

Kelsey, I understand you are the studio manager, perhaps even the person actually taking these shots. Are you sating that a 60mm on APS-C gives a noticable difference in fov to a 50mm on APS-C (all with same aperture) to such an extent as we are seeing here? Can you show us a single studio test chart image of a interchangeable lens camera done with such short dof before?

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vest
By vest (Aug 15, 2012)

Very badly! Even ISO 100 RAW there are no details.
Shame of engineers and experts in marketing!

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wootpile
By wootpile (Aug 15, 2012)

I agree - If you look at the Earth globe and compare to any other camera. Either the macro lens they used is faulty or someone dropped the camera and dislocated the sensor before the review. It happens. The studio photographer should have stopped the test. What is very bad for dpreview´s reputation is that the even technical writers (who are checking the images) do not spot this and allow the image to be used. Samsung will survive, but dpreview is making a bit too many mistakes.

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gsum
By gsum (Aug 15, 2012)

What's going on with the NX210 test images? The colour test card, for example, is way our of focus, particularly on the RH side. DPReview should withdraw this review until they get the test images right. Samsung must be fuming.
Judging by some of the other comments on here, DPReview have done this camera a dis-service by posting these faulty tests. The old NX100 had better lenses, better ergonomics and a better menu system than the NEX 5 and equalled the NEX 5 in image quality. I doubt that the NX210 is worse than the NX100 except of course, in it's additional useless gimmicks, although Samsung have done a good job in separating out the useless gimmickry from the photographic functionality.

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Kelcey Smith
By Kelcey Smith (Aug 15, 2012)

See my comment above in response to wootpile's post.

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Jogger
By Jogger (Aug 15, 2012)

So, the image quality is garbage but its got neat smartphone features, so it gets an award. Lame, imo.

Why even bother reviewing the image quality, if its got all these me-too gimmicks then it automatically scores well.

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Juhaz
By Juhaz (Aug 15, 2012)

I'm looking at the playing card, and I can't quite understand what I'm (not) seeing. You can barely make out the lines in her collar and individual strands of "hair" at ISO100, what's wrong here?

Is it out of focus? If so how could it have so much shallower DOF than the same-sensor-size competition? NX200 is the same, so it's not a fluke. NX10(0) is better, but their test shots have a different lens so can't say if it's that or the camera(s)...

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marike6
By marike6 (Aug 15, 2012)

Interesting that lots of cameras with much better IQ didn't even get awards. The Pentax K-01 IQ is miles ahead of the NX210, yet for whatever reason this generic box is consider better. No EVF or possibility of adding an EVF was a K-01 "Con", yet the lack of VF is not a problem with this model? Why the double standard? K-01 LCD is 920 K, NX210 LCD is 610 K so it's not like the Samsung has a better LCD panel.

There's a lot to like about the NX10/NX20 cameras but with the viewfinder-less NX200 and NX1000 series, I just don't get it. I also don't get the growing trend on DPR of pushing these less than inspiring mirrorless ILC cameras.

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Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (Aug 15, 2012)

Its Amoled and it is by far superior to LCD.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 15, 2012)

marike6:

The Samsung NX20 has a very nice view finder, the same sensor, and does really well through ISO4000. Then I'd guess that the K01 and the K30 would start to beat the NX20/200/210 for image quality.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Aug 15, 2012)

That happens because people in reality don't recognise genuine choices, but love lots of same 'me too' things. And to them, having tons of 'me too' things, is the definition of 'choice'.

But if something is genuinely different, a for a genuine reason, it's also "incomprehensible" because that new idea goes against the idea of the safe mainstream, which has already substituted our own brain and comprehension.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 15, 2012)

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guides/dpreviewscoresandratings01.htm

You can read at the bottom of the page about what a dpreview award means.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Aug 15, 2012)

Are those 12bit or 14bit RAWs?

Have you tried to follow up the problem (discussed on forums) that after in-camera lens correction, RAWs display heavy green banding after exposure compensation correction in PP? Thread link:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1001&thread=42101010

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 15, 2012)

Never saw and green banding with the NX20 and that's the same sensor. At ISO 5000 the was the beginnings of bands of color changes, but not limited to one colour.

Also don't push 3 stops.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 15, 2012)

When I saw this thread I tried to replicate the problem with some of the images I had taken for the NX200 review and couldn't. It seems to be an isolated case in very specific circumstances. We'll check further when we test another camera with the same sensor.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Aug 15, 2012)

Love the idea of cameras working together with the web/cloud so speeding up and easing access to images etc ( who the hell prints anything anymore) so its sad that Samsung should drop yet another brick. Still as far as I am aware using their cameras is not a health risk - unlike the Canon 650D !!

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oohaah
By oohaah (Aug 15, 2012)

I have nothing against Samsung but no matter how "smart" this camera is the horrible IQ doesn't justify the price tag and size. Must be smoking something if you think the image quality is acceptable for this group of cameras.

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Ian Leach
By Ian Leach (Aug 15, 2012)

Why are the test shots so utterly out of focus? They seem to have focused on the watch at the front with little depth of field. DPR have loads of test shots like these and people then use them to trash the cameras involved. I think I have heard them say that they can’t get enough depth of field with some lens and sensor types, but then I would say redesign the target object group to allow for clear front to back focus. Given this is supposed to be the premier testing site it does not make sense that so many of their test shots are poor, this also includes many of the sample gallery shots.

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christian jacob
By christian jacob (Aug 15, 2012)

There seems to be much, well, let's call it negative emotions over samsung daring to enter the system camera market while one favourite and/or owned brand is also there competing...
Why is there such a strong emotional investment in a brand? There are more mature thing to derive self-worth off...

A point in favour of the NX line are the 16mm and especially the 30mm pancakes, which, for me, make it a better complement to my dslr than the other brands.
But then I am not everyone (and let's all be grateful for that), so it's good, not at least when it comes to innovation and prices, that there are other brands.

4 upvotes
pc168
By pc168 (Aug 15, 2012)

The base iso performance should be good enough. Anyway, my Samsung fridge is great, it has an outer metallic cover ... same as the nx210 :)

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gl2k
By gl2k (Aug 15, 2012)

In a world of connected multimedia gadgets this is a pretty nice idea.
Does the image quality matter ? Probably not for these target customers.
It's the fun part that matters.

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perry rhodan
By perry rhodan (Aug 15, 2012)

First Yawn second Hilarious.
IQ on par with OMD ? haha. Tried every samsung fom this series for years, because I really like the lenses, they are very nice. Samsung has to try better sensorwise. It's about 4 or even 5 years back in time. Please DPR, it isn't april fools yet. Samples do NOT back-up the conclusions AT ALL. Care to clarify??

Every comparometer shows the samsung line to be worst by far in IQ when leaving lowest ISO. Even small sensor compacts can do this good light low ISO in 2012.

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jgardia
By jgardia (Aug 15, 2012)

The IQ is bad because the JPEG engine is bad. If you use raw, the story is completely different.
BTW, why are you posting the same thing twice?

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Aug 15, 2012)

> If you use raw [...]

... you would have to wait longer for the files being written on the card. Catch 22.

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Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (Aug 15, 2012)

That's not a catch 22...

That's an inconvenience. Do you even know what catch 22 is?

1 upvote
random78
By random78 (Aug 15, 2012)

Have you actually used the camera? I have used both the NX200 as well the OMD EM-5 and like them both for different reasons. However NX200 is better at high ISO in my experience and fairly close to NEX-5N that I have also used. I use these cameras with RAW only so not concerned about JPEG quality as much. Though as far as the "bad JPEG" is concerned, that comes up only if you are looking at 100% pixel. I don't use my images at 20MP, and I doubt most users of these cameras print big enough to need that kind of resolution. So even when I do use JPEG I am more concerned about color, white balance etc than resolution and in that respect it does pretty well. EM-5 is probably a bit better in JPEG colors but NX200 is definitely better than the Panasonics. As for the write times with RAW, yes they are a bit long though I typically don't notice that in day to day use unless I specifically set out to check write times.

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eivissa1
By eivissa1 (Aug 15, 2012)

More on less on par with the panasonic LX5, regarding photo quality. So why bother buying this thing?

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christian jacob
By christian jacob (Aug 15, 2012)

yeah, because competition and diversity is bad.
If there's one model, nobody else should ever bring out a similar one...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 15, 2012)

eivissa1:

Let me see: I've owned an LX5, an NX100, and an NX20, and the photo quality goes up in that order. NB: That last has the same sensor as the NX210.

Try learning to use ACR before making preposterous claims about photo quality. In a pinch: Aftershot will do (DXO can't be bothered to extract Samsung raws).

And yes, I know that Panasonic has good Japanese Leica lens.

1 upvote
EmmanuelStarchild
By EmmanuelStarchild (Aug 15, 2012)

Samsung makes great HD Tv's...

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (Aug 15, 2012)

Is it possible to turn off the high ISO noise reduction in raw files? That raw NR is very aggressive and very visible at the highest sensitivities.

If it is possible to turn off high ISO NR for raw files, it'd be nice if DPR could put the NR free high ISO raw images up, so that it's easier to compare with other cameras.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 15, 2012)

If you turn NR off it is 'off' in both JPEG and raw modes. You can see the difference at the bottom of this page in the NX200 review: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungnx200/9

NX200 image quality is identical to the NX210.

4 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Aug 15, 2012)

A Silver Award for "Fairly aggressive noise reduction starts blurring detail at lower ISOs and mixes with high levels of chroma noise at higher sensitivities"? That's too generous.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Aug 15, 2012)

"A Silver Award for "Fairly aggressive noise reduction starts blurring detail at lower ISOs and mixes with high levels of chroma noise at higher sensitivities"? That's too generous."

That's too limited a scope to look from.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 15, 2012)

While we criticize the NR there is a lot we like about this camera (as explained in the conclusion of the review) which is why decided to give it a silver award.

5 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 21, 2012)

I think Lars was smoking something, this does not deserve a silver award

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Vernatropius
By Vernatropius (Aug 15, 2012)

Compared to EM-5 and Nex- 5n at ISO 3200-6400; NX 210 is utterly Garbage. How Sad- Bad JPEG Engine.

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babola
By babola (Aug 15, 2012)

Yet it received higher overal rating than some well known great performing DSLRs like D5100 foir example. What a joke.

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Roman Korcek
By Roman Korcek (Aug 15, 2012)

@babola: You are basically implying that the scoring system accomodates at most 100 cameras.

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Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (Aug 15, 2012)

yet compared to sony's 16mm or 18-200mm lens - the sammy is miles ahead. A great sensor or jpg engine is only one part of the IQ equation. Then when you compare ease of use - you may miss a number of shots with other cameras trying to change settings. The Sammy's are very easy to use.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 21, 2012)

The Samsuck is miles ahead of Sony, really?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 21, 2012)

Samsung sure has good NX lenses, and what the Sony system has one good expensive 24mm lens?

Also the NX20/210 can easily be used over ISO 3200, while that's hard for any Sony Nex camera except the Nex 5n.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 23, 2012)

In your opinion

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 23, 2012)

Boerseu.....

Well then all claims about all lenses are opinions.

I've decided you're really just a 15 year old boy who's only allowed to use the internets at one parent's house.

The big evidence for this is the repeated made up claims.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Aug 15, 2012)

nice! the camera looks great! this with the 30mm pancake would be a great combo!

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Aug 14, 2012)

The worst performance of any EVIL/mirrorless system how that Olympus have E-M5. Why is Samsung even trying? In 6 months, there will be another model with better firmware but the same hardware.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Aug 15, 2012)

Its update of NX200. Nothing more. And its not bad update.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 15, 2012)

Peiasdf:

The Olympus is unusable at high ISO like 3200.

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Mannypr
By Mannypr (Aug 14, 2012)

A camera that as per Dpreview is second to the Sony NX 7 I would not call trash unless dpreview reviewers don't know what they are talking about.

I'm pretty sure it's a fine camera for what it is intended.

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BruinBlue
By BruinBlue (Aug 15, 2012)

Didn't DPR call the NX210 second to NEX-7 in terms of pixel count? Doesn't sound to me like they're saying it's 2nd in overall IQ.

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balchinian
By balchinian (Aug 15, 2012)

I have been happy with every Samsung product I have ever bought. I can't say the same about Sony. Sony makes some good stuff, sure, but I always feel like I'm buying a feature list, or a bug list, or both when I buy a Sony. Sony's work more or less as promised, but they always fall short of the big expectations their marketing department has built up for me.

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RadPhoto
By RadPhoto (Aug 16, 2012)

They didn't say it's second to Sony NEX7!

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Then4
By Then4 (Aug 14, 2012)

Hmm...looking in both rar and jpeg performance i different ISO...is it something wrong with the shoots ? ...they don't look good...still it got high scores ?

2 upvotes
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Aug 14, 2012)

Yawn...I'm sure Sony's upcoming wifi cameras are going to blow away this piece of trash

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HDF2
By HDF2 (Aug 14, 2012)

Thank you for your insightful and clearly well researched and analyzed comments and observations.

You should really start your own blog and photo review site. We are all so sure it would be so much more informative than the trash that DPReview puts out.

I, for one, would actually be willing to pay a subscription for such a site. Now if I could only find that Yugoslav Dinar I have been saving for just such an occassion.

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Jokica
By Jokica (Aug 15, 2012)

I have plenty of these :-)

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pumping
By pumping (Aug 14, 2012)

awesome !

1 upvote
increments
By increments (Aug 14, 2012)

@DPR Team

How long does it now take from taking a single RAW shot to the camera being ready to shoot again?

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 14, 2012)

If you only take one and you use a fast card it is ready immediately but if you take a few in quick succession it's locking down after 3 or 4 shots (very briefly though).

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increments
By increments (Aug 14, 2012)

Thanks Lars, that's interesting.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Aug 15, 2012)

It has a bit shorter write lock than NX200 if thats what you wanted to know. :D

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perry rhodan
By perry rhodan (Aug 15, 2012)

First Yawn second Hilarious.
IQ on par with OMD ? haha. Tried every samsung fom this series for years, because I really like the lenses, they are very nice. Samsung has to try better sensorwise. It's about 4 or even 5 years back in time. Please DPR, it isn't april fools yet. Samples do NOT back-up the conclusions AT ALL. Care to clarify??

Every comparometer shows the samsung line to be worst by far in IQ when leaving lowest ISO. Even small sensor compacts can do this good light low ISO in 2012.

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