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Samsung releases 12MP EX2F 'Smart Camera'

By dpreview staff on Jul 3, 2012 at 16:44 GMT

Samsung has launched the EX2F, sucessor to its EX1 high-end compact camera. The magnesium-bodied EX2F features a 1/1.7" 12.4MP BSI CMOS sensor and the fastest lens of any compact camera on the market - F1.4 at its widest 24mm equiv setting (slowing down to F2.7 at the 80mm equiv end). ISO sensitivity can be extended up to ISO 12,800 and as well as various still image modes the EX2F can also capture full HD 1080/30p video. The 'F' in the model name designates Wi-Fi and, as we'd expect from Samsung in 2012, the EX2F features the full complement of 'Smart' options offered by its high-end NX cousins, including Mobile Link, Remote Viewfinder, Email and Auto Backup. The EX2F will be priced at $549 and will be available in August.


Press Release:

Samsung combines super-bright photography with easy sharing in the new SMART CAMERA EX2F

 The new model boasts the world’s brightest compact camera lens with F1.4 aperture

SEOUL, Korea – July 3, 2012 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd, a global leader in digital media and digital convergence technologies, has announced the launch of the EX2F, the latest model in its growing range of Wi-Fi-enabled SMART CAMERAs. Following the success of the EX1 with F1.8 lens, the new model is engineered to deliver super-bright photography thanks to its F1.4 lens, the brightest in any compact camera. The high image and video quality of the EX2F also comes with the advantage of being able to store and share images remotely using Wi-Fi functionality. Encompassing Full Manual Control in a strong but lightweight body, the EX2F is ideal for DSLR-owners looking for more portable equipment to capture images spontaneously and subtly, and for photographers looking for a step-up in quality from their point-and-shoot whilst retaining ease-of-use and portability.

The EX2F combines a number of features to deliver incredible picture quality in all conditions. With the segment-leading advanced F1.4 24mm Lens, the wide range of aperture steps delivers clear images and video even in very low light conditions. These are easily controlled using the professional front wheel key and Dual Dials, which enable switching between parameters and modes quickly for greater manual control. The low-light capabilities of the EX2F are also added to by the 1/1.7” 12 Megapixel BSI CMOS sensor, which delivers clear, blur-free images - even when shooting objects in low-light situations.

Fusing quality with creativity, 1080/30p Full HD Movie Recording with stereo sound allows users to capture video in high enough quality to enjoy on a Full HD TV. The EX2F also allows still 12 Megapixel photos and video to be captured simultaneously using the Dual Capture feature, so that any scene can be shot as both photo and video.

The world’s brightest compact camera lens

The EX2F’s F1.4 24mm wide-angle lens is approximately four times as bright as a F2.8 camera lens. A further development is that the lens unit now consists of eleven elements in nine groups, with four aspherical lenses and two high refractive lenses. Combined, these provide a 20% increase in the amount of light on the sensor, a 20% increase in image quality and a 10% increase in zoom ratio.

The lens on the EX2F also incorporates a Neutral Density (ND) filter, giving the user greater control over exposure time in different conditions and making photos appear more neutral in situations of over-exposure. It also allows for shooting at a very shallow depth of field, so users can isolate their subjects from backgrounds to create stunning portraits. To make bright images clearer, the EX2F also includes Dual IS (OIS and DIS) to minimize the effect of shaking – particularly useful in low-light situations.

Complete control

Housed in a sleek yet durable high-intensity magnesium body, more commonly found on DSLR models, the EX2F combines high-end image quality with convenience and speed. For those accustomed to the level of creative control on DSLRs, the EX2F allows for shooting in RAW mode for professional standard pictures. The EX2F also encompasses Full Manual Control as well as Aperture and Shutter Priority modes. The Dual Dial and front wheel keys also allow users to quickly and easily adjust exposure for effortless pro-style control. This is all combined into a body that is compact and light, making it possible to carry the camera anywhere for spontaneous shots without the complication and intrusiveness of a weighty DSLR.

Bright and intuitive display

The 3.0” Swivel AMOLED display is perfect for lining up great shots and viewing them under any light conditions – and does so whilst consuming little battery power. The screen responds swiftly and displays images in high contrast, while the swivel display allows picture-taking from low and high angles – even self-portraits. The screen also incorporates Samsung’s Smart Panel user interface, which integrates all parameters into one display for easy control over the end result.

Shooting and sharing from anywhere

The EX2F is the latest in Samsung’s SMART CAMERA range of Wi-Fi-enabled cameras, which take the combination of high-quality imaging paired with connectivity to a new level. Wi-Fi connectivity enables the secure storage of images through Auto Backup to a PC or saving to the Cloud. In addition, sharing to social networking sites such as Facebook or Picasa is easy – or pictures can be sent via email.

The EX2F’s Mobile Link opens doors for connectivity with smartphones, without even having to resize images or video. Users can also access the Remote Viewfinder to use their smartphone’s screen to frame shots from a variety of angles. Through the SMART LINK button, all these functions can be accessed with one touch for simplified sharing and storage.

“We created the EX2F to show that taking great pictures doesn’t have to involve carrying a heavy and bulky DSLR wherever you go. Because the best shots often arise when you least expect them, the EX2F delivers manual control and stunningly bright image quality in a body that is small and light enough to carry around every day. It’s the perfect compact on-the-road companion for the DLSR user who expects the best image quality with full creative control.” said Mr. Myoung Sup Han, Senior Vice President and Head of the Digital Imaging Business, Samsung Electronics. “The inclusion of Samsung’s pioneering Wi-Fi technology also means that you can share those images straight from the camera, giving you the freedom to shoot and share wherever the journey takes you.”

Samsung EX2F Key Features

  • 12.4MP BSI CMOS sensor
  • ISO 80-3200 (extendable to 12800)
  • 24-80mm equivalent zoom lens
  • F1.4 maximum aperture at 24mm 
  • Full HD 1080/30p video recording
  • Dual IS
  • Built-in WiFi connectivity
  • 3in AMOLED display

Samsung EX2F Specifications

Body type
Body typeCompact
Body materialMagnesium Alloy
Sensor
Effective pixels12 megapixels
Sensor size1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm)
Sensor typeBSI-CMOS
Image
ISOAuto, 80, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200
Image stabilizationOptical
Uncompressed formatRAW
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)24–80 mm
Optical zoom3.3×
Maximum apertureF1.4 - F2.7
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
Digital zoomYes
Manual focusYes
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFully articulated
Screen size3
Touch screenNo
Screen typeAMOLED
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic (optional)
Photography features
Built-in flashYes
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Fill-in, Slow syncro, Manual
Self-timerYes
Videography features
FormatH.264
Videography notesFull HD 1080/30p
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion SLB-10A battery & charger
Weight (inc. batteries)294 g (0.65 lb / 10.37 oz)
Dimensions112 x 62 x 29 mm (4.41 x 2.44 x 1.14)
Other features
Orientation sensorNo
GPSNone

Additional Images

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Comments

Total comments: 370
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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 4, 2012)

Samsung.

Now that is a brand worth watching.

Ricoh and other also rans, take note...

.

5 upvotes
AngusCNH
By AngusCNH (Jul 4, 2012)

+1

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

I would agree with you if the Ricoh GRD IV wasn't one of the most awesome photographers cameras ever created.

5 upvotes
lajka
By lajka (Jul 4, 2012)

Ricoh, answer swiftly with GRD V fitted with superb 1.4/28 and articulated display.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
AngusCNH
By AngusCNH (Jul 4, 2012)

After incorporate a ND filter, the main problem occur at EX1 : f-stop not slow enough and shutter not fast enough for shooting under the strong sun light maybe resolved..

But what I think is , if the 2nd mode dial is q customizable mode dial , it will be great... I usually change the burst rate at the menu..... Or placing more different control buttons are also welcome

Sensor size is not big , but it's controls seems good, I'm looking forward to see the performance

0 upvotes
burpturtle
By burpturtle (Jul 4, 2012)

Great work Samsung! They seem to have taken everything that was good about the EX1 and improved it without changing the core principles of the camera. I have greatly enjoyed ownership of the EX1 for many years and am happy to be able to update my camera rather than having to replace it with something completely different.

2 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Jul 4, 2012)

Does not run Android = dumb.

4 upvotes
samhain
By samhain (Jul 4, 2012)

Your post=dumb.

22 upvotes
SBoudreault
By SBoudreault (Jul 4, 2012)

Android trolls are even worse than Apple fanboys !

7 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

Android phones don't run Samsung camera software = dumb

Richard, stop being a jerk eh :o)

1 upvote
raiden78
By raiden78 (Jul 4, 2012)

Wtf is Android?

1 upvote
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

A type of robot that makes mobile phones. Camera's are made by Japanese people.

Hope that helps.

2 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 4, 2012)

I really hope that is a female lens thread just inside the front lip of the lens. Otherwise it appears that it retracts flush, which would mean no option for any lens accessories. With all the manual control options you would think that the targeted buyers might also want UV filters or CPLs. Zoom ring is by wire or direct link? If it is not by wire then the focus would be the dial under the trigger? Can't wait to see this review. Finally a semi-compact camera with a good lens. I have been waiting for something to replace my Powershot Pro 1 which has a bright 'L' lens.

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

It doesn't appear to be a filter thread, but I'm with you. At the very least I like to be able to protect such a nice front element. I disliked that my XZ-1 didn't have a filter thread, and my X10 only has one if you use the dedicated lens hood. For non-retractible lenses, filter threads part of the design.

But there have been several smallish cameras with fast good optics lately, but I'm glad this one checks all the boxes for you.

0 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 4, 2012)

I shoot Architecture, interior and exterior, so wide, bright, and RAW are cornerstones of a good camera for me. I hate lugging tripods around and I HATE flash, except for fill. So this could be a great camera to have in my work bag.

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1 upvote
SBoudreault
By SBoudreault (Jul 4, 2012)

If you are serious about architecture, get a real camera ! You can't do that without a tilt/shift lens on a full frame, at the very least...

3 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 4, 2012)

I would LOVE a Hasselblad Flexbody with a digital back! But unfortunatly I am an Architect and so I don't have the time or the money any more. I take mostly site photos but I still need good image quality. We hire a pro to do the marketing shots at the end. I used to shoot Bronica ETRS system so it is nice to see digital approaching this quality.

2 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

If you shoot architecture / tripod work and want the best low cost camera option, buy a second hand Sigma DP1 or 2 from eBay ... AWESOME Fovean sensor in a small shell for under £200 ... bargain!

2 upvotes
AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Jul 3, 2012)

The physical depth spec is clearly wrong.

Intriquing camera, but I don't care for Samsung's in-house sensors. They are pretty darn awful.

Furthermore, the size of the sensor is at the limit that most manufacturers claim no real benefit from the BSI arrangement. Odd on all accounts.

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4 upvotes
jppentax
By jppentax (Jul 3, 2012)

It's most probably a sony sensor

1 upvote
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

A Sony Sensor, you are funny, if it had a Sony sensor it might have a chance at being a "OK" camera.
Ask Pentax why they don't use Samsung sensors anymore?
They suck

1 upvote
brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Jul 4, 2012)

Why would it be a Sony sensor when Samsung makes their own sensors ?

Hopefully its a good sensor that will improve competition. :)

Though frankly I would pay a little more to get the Sony RX100 with the bigger sensor and only 2/3rs of a stop slower wide open but with theoretically better high ISO performance to make up.

0 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jul 3, 2012)

According to the specs, the s100 is 26.7 mm. According to these specs, the ex2f is 29mm keep - 2.3mm deeper.

However, look at the pics - the ex2f looks much deeper if you count the lens protrusion (which you would for jeans pocketable size).

Does dpreview have this camera? Any chance they could tell us the real depth measurement - including the lens protrusion? (measured when the camera is off and the lens is not out, of course).

Are they fudging their depth measurement like Panasonic did on the lx3, and only measuring at the thinnest part of the camera?

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3 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 3, 2012)

They did it with the EX1 too: 29mm on paper, 46mm (collapsed/off) in reality without the lens cap.

4 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

P&Ss with big, fast lenses a la the XZ-1, LX5, EX1, X10, et al, aren't the easiest to pocket. Maybe a coat pocket.

1 upvote
iudex
By iudex (Jul 4, 2012)

I can confirm that (as a former EX1 owner): Samsung gives figure for the body itself, not including the protruding lens.

0 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jul 4, 2012)

Thanks for the info guys. Looks like it's more ex1-sized, not s100 sized like some people were hoping (I was definitely hoping, though skeptical).

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 3, 2012)

Can someone take really big hammer and smash designer of this camera into head? Or right thumb.

Seriously that placing of movie record button and AEL? Is he nuts?

Just when I thought it cant be worse than NEX-7 (or NX20).

3 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 3, 2012)

That is because he was trying hard to rip off Sony when making this camera..LOL

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2 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jul 3, 2012)

I don't know if these pics are from dpreview or samsung, but it's really annoying when they post top-down pics with the lens extended - it doesn't matter at all how big the camera is with the lens out, the important part is how big it is with the lens not out (how you would carry the camera when it's off).

5 upvotes
SETI
By SETI (Jul 3, 2012)

Twin dial design stolen from Sony? =) Samsung like to copy design... remember iPhone =)

4 upvotes
Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 4, 2012)

just what we need, Sony fanboys at it again with stupid posts.

1 upvote
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

Yep Ariston i'm a Sony Fanboy thanks for pointing out the obvious "stupit"

0 upvotes
Coyote_Cody
By Coyote_Cody (Jul 4, 2012)

Why is ANYONE a single Brand 'fanboy', small brain/intellect? Can't think beyond a single brand?

Silly, immature attitude, me thinks, not a sign of an open-minded intelligent 'rational' person.

Easier to understand 'hate' of a brand due to lousy multiple experiences but this Fanboy crap, forget it!

Where is the 'objectivity'?

Comment edited 56 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
itsastickup
By itsastickup (Jul 3, 2012)

"The lens on the EX2F also incorporates a Neutral Density (ND) filter, .... and making photos appear more neutral in situations of over-exposure. "

hmm

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1 upvote
demchinsky
By demchinsky (Jul 3, 2012)

lost in translation? more 'natural' in bright situations?

2 upvotes
toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (Jul 3, 2012)

"Pocketable" is not even on my list of things I need so its size doesn't bother me. Hot shoe? Great. Ability to take an optional EVF? Great, but a built-in EVF would be even better. Interesting specs.

I wonder about its IQ.

0 upvotes
Don Fraser
By Don Fraser (Jul 3, 2012)

You know, if you do the 1/1.7" sensor right, it's all you need unless you want to make prints bigger than 11 x 14 and inspect them with your nose to the print.

The 1/1.7" sensor lets you do good stuff with the lens and not have a giant body.

Look at the excellent IQ of the Nikon Coolpix P7100 for that class of cameras, and the range of its lens. I don't want to start another IQ war on this. There are other examples of good use of the 1/1.7" sensor.

Let's stay reasonable with our uses of these cameras.

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2 upvotes
magneto shot
By magneto shot (Jul 4, 2012)

imho, 1/1.7 or even 1" is crap. forget the prints. the lack of shallow dof turns all images into 2d noise massacre.

0 upvotes
semorg
By semorg (Jul 3, 2012)

Spec looks great on paper. I'll be considering it depending on how the image quality and review turn out.

1 upvote
radissimo
By radissimo (Jul 3, 2012)

I am getting RX100 this week. I am still happy with my order?
yeah, you bet.

I think this will have Panny LX5 thickness,therefore NOT POCKETABLE
IQ will be better on SONY
what is great on Sammy is screen and 2 control wheels.
Interface will be WORSE on Sammy
DRAW

3 upvotes
DavidsfotosDotCom
By DavidsfotosDotCom (Jul 3, 2012)

Breath Holder - Anyone make underwater housing for this & Sony RX100?
RAW Great, but only?

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1 upvote
Liz Z.
By Liz Z. (Jul 3, 2012)

In inbuilt HDR and/or panoramic functions?

0 upvotes
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 3, 2012)

Please, keep the sensors this small !

Large sensor forces the manufacturer to use slower lens, if they want to keep the thing compact.

Slower lens = higher ISO + deeper DOF = no advantge compared to small sensor.

3 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 3, 2012)

GPS would be nice but it also slows the camera down some times (finding satalites) and uses more battery. So it might make sense that this is meant to be a "fast" camera so they didn't want anything to make it seem slugish. Althought you can always turn the GPS off. But who would do that on a camera that had GPS?

1 upvote
AndricD
By AndricD (Jul 4, 2012)

with mobile link shoudl be able to use a smartphone for gps and as an remote viewfinder.

0 upvotes
Helena777
By Helena777 (Jul 3, 2012)

I had the EX1/TL500 (gift to my father) and it was a goood camera. One fault was the no ND filter: you cannot use the cam with biggest aperture in sunny days...and now it is included.

The Schneider Kreuznach lens was imppresive! that sharp images in a pocketable cam was a joy.

Well for Samsung.

1 upvote
King Penguin
By King Penguin (Jul 3, 2012)

I think the main exciting feature is the wifi capability....wish my DSLR had it........and I'm sure it will be in future models.......bring it on is what I say!

0 upvotes
Nate21
By Nate21 (Jul 3, 2012)

Impressive specs

0 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (Jul 3, 2012)

This would have been interesting 12 months ago.. now, all high end compacts are going to be compared to the RX100. This Samsung has too many gimmicks, and is going to fall short.

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4 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 3, 2012)

RX100 is really weak in dof. I think that is a big mistake espeacially from a camera that touts its large sensor. so I dont think its actually that exciting

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 3, 2012)

Jogger:

Samsung has a tilt screen, a hot shoe, and judging from the Sony RX100 ISO 3200 raws I've seen, Sony made a mistake going with so many mega pixels.

Bet this Samsung Schneider lens is faster when fully zoomed than the Sony too.

And you can probably get an external battery charger for this Samsung--unlike the Sony. (Yes, I know that someone will make one for the Sony in the future.)

1 upvote
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

OMG have you actually seen a RAW File from the RX100? you must have asked for express shipping from Sony, good to see you are buying a real camera .
Here is a review about the best pocket camera ever made Buddy

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/technology/personaltech/a-pocket-camera-even-pro-photographers-can-love-state-of-the-art.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Jul 4, 2012)

"Here is a review about the best pocket camera ever made Buddy"
Now, just go back to that review straight to the sample images and download image 17 in original size. Have a look at it, and then we will talk.
Btw, it was ISO125 not ISO3200.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

There is only 11 pictures so not sure what you are looking at maybe have another Glass of Vodka Buddy
When the New York Times start raving about Samsung making a good camera call me K

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 4, 2012)

@Boerseuntjie: I went to the article you posted, and in the middle of it there is a link to a sample gallery as Dimitri mentioned. I downloaded image 17, and indeed it looked horrible. If you think this is the best pocket camera every made, you are highly delusional.

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 4, 2012)

Boerseuntjie, using ethnic stereotypes to offend has been a taboo here on DPR, even among the most hardcore trolls. And I appreciated that fact very much. Please, don't introduce it here.

If you can not live without it, go ahead to comment section of youtube, there you can find plenty of it. Everyone is ready there to appreciate your contribution to the genre of ethnic stereotype offense. But not here.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

At Mike Thanks for explaining what Dimitri was looking at and well except for the two dudes looking ugly in that picture I don't see what you boys are seeing, when I said best pocket camera ever made, that is the words of the New York Times writer not mine when you and Dimitri write your report for the Moscow Times you can mention the Horrible pictures that the RX100 takes.
Hey Rachotiko was that a little too ethnic mentioning Moscow Times?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Yep, I've seen--and extracted--Sony RX100 raws.

No express shipping involved.

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

Care to share were you found the Raw Files?

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

Imaging-Resource.

Been there for download since at least June 8th.

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

Thanks, any Raw files for this "Frankenstein" Samsung?

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 5, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

No raws that I know of yet from the Samsung EX2. At least in the USA, Samsung is not as good about getting review cameras out to reviewers as Sony.

(Case in point the NX20 and NX210, and even if the sensor is the same as the NX200, Samsung needs to release these review copies to prove that the NX200's buffer problems have been solved.)

Don't pay too much attention to that NYTimes reviewer's camera conclusions, either pro or con. He famously posted several out of focus examples when reviewing the Fuji X100--8 of 9 pics were out of focus.

Frankenstein was the doctor.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 6, 2012)

Thanks again that Imaging-Resource website is a gem will be watching it, did not know they post Raw files, had a look at the ISO 3200 Raw file from the RX100, nod bad for a point and shoot in my opinion.
To be honest I don't pay much attention to The New York Times, just put that up there to get a reaction, that is what trolls do, the review pictures was horrible for the RX100

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 6, 2012)

Sure the RX100 is good at ISO 3200 for a P$S, but no P$S has a "1 inch" sensor.

On the other hand the Nikon 1 is much better at ISO 3200 and that's with its 10MP nonsony 1 inch sensor. Sony was silly to pixel pack.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 6, 2012)

The Nikon 1 is not a point and shoot so why compare it with Sony RX100? thanks for pointing out the sensor is not made by Sony you are now sounding like a Nikon Fanboy

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 6, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

I'm a fan of the fact that Nikon went with a 10MP 1 inch sensor in the Nikon 1 series.

I'm not a fan of the fact that Nikon hasn't released fast nonzoom lenses for the 1 series.

Also nice that the Nikon 1 series uses phase detect AF.

Not particularly a fan of what the Sony sensors in the Nikon D800 and D3200 do at high ISOs.

0 upvotes
Jokica
By Jokica (Jul 3, 2012)

Such camera deserves 1" sensor

3 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Jul 3, 2012)

What you think in this camera deserves a bigger sensor??

1 upvote
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 4, 2012)

To make the lens slower ? No way !

0 upvotes
425i
By 425i (Jul 3, 2012)

A ND Filter !!
That's fantastic , independent control of depth of field and exposure
I want one

2 upvotes
lajka
By lajka (Jul 3, 2012)

A step in right direction. As everybody knows the smaller sensor the bigger noise on high ISO which can be countered by lowering ISO while using bigger aperture.

5 upvotes
SergeyMS
By SergeyMS (Jul 3, 2012)

Samsung is on right way! Their new phones almost perfect. And new camera also (but almost) . Let them see on Fuji X-10 and analyze differences. They need one small step to be the first!

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

"Their new phones almost perfect."

I only wish they put a decent camera in their at least flagship phones... (and not a damn PenTile screen, of course.)

0 upvotes
Tom Goodman
By Tom Goodman (Jul 3, 2012)

The 1" sensor in the new Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 is more attractive than the fast lens here. Still, with the innovations taking place in other Samsung product lines, this camera is worth handling and testing. An articulated screen is a luxury these days in quality cameras within each class but it should be standard.

11 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

The grip, rotating screen, hotshoe, and wider and much faster lens is much more attractive to me than the RX. Plus this sensor (still unknown) 'should' peform very well consdering its a BSI CMOS and the EX1's was decent being a CCD only. Also, the street price is likely to be $499, and the price therefore is much more attractive than the RX's. To me the EX2 is a no brainer over the RX100.

7 upvotes
Tom Goodman
By Tom Goodman (Jul 3, 2012)

I understand you but in the end sensor size is more critical to me when I want to make a print. Everyone with a DX wants an FX. Everyone with a 1/1.7 sensor wants something bigger. Or, as you clearly feel, not!!

The whole business of a very fast lens is always problematic in digital photography since shooting wide open never produces the best results on a lens unless it's a prime and even then there are frequently problems. With zooms its almost axiomatic to avoid shooting wide open.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

Smaller sensor eliminates those optical issues though, bigger sensors have more trouble with wide open optics. Plus you gain a DOF advantage which helps with percieved sharpness.

Not sure if you've printed any images from Sony's excellent 1 1/7" sensor or not, about 5 cameras I can think of had it and the results were extremely impressive at 13x19".

I never speak in absolute for others. It would be more accurate to say that there are some that crave larger sensors and some that appreciate each sensor size for its inherent advantages.

Carl

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 3, 2012)

Why is everyone comparing this to the Sony ... They're different cameras at different prices with only their similar size and fast lenses in common. I like the Sony, this sammy looks SUPERB ... But if your gonna compare the two, then you may as well open up the argument Sony versus 4/3rds ... After all, you can get a twin lens GF3 for under £300 and couple it with the panny f1.7 for £200 more ... Which itself would beat the Sony hands down!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

Because both are pocketable serious compacts, maybe.

Same class cameras.

C

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

"Why is everyone comparing this to the Sony ... They're different cameras at different prices with only their similar size and fast lenses in common. "

Because the RX100 is the best pocket-sized "serious" camera right now with much better IQ than any 1/1.7" cams so far (not necessarily including the new Sammy)? The new Sammy is also a very serious camera rightfully appealing to us tech geeks and serious photo folks.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 3, 2012)

@chadley_chad
A GF3 beating a Sony RX100 is not a given, if the RX100 has typically good DR Sony sensors are known for. The GF3 IQ is very good, but DR is not particularly good at all. Like the Nikon 1, the RX100 should be extremely competitive with the 12 mp m43 cameras in IQ and high ISO, in a significantly more portable package. 1080p60 video on the RX100 with Steady Shot looks great from what I've seen. Of course the hacked GF3 is excellent, out of the box it's not bad, but has no manual controls.

But for many a nearly S100 sized pocketable camera, with superb raw IQ, and an extremely sharp Zeiss zoom is going to be an extremely compelling package. I ordered an RX100 on release day as none of my other cameras can touch it for performance for it's size and I can't fit a single one of them in my pocket, even my GF3/20 1.7.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 3, 2012)

The Samsung is considerably larger still (especially thicker, disregard the official number that doesn't include the lens barrel..). The RX100 is pretty much the size of the S100, while the Samsung almost aspires the Canon G class. Pretty much the difference between pants/jeans pockets and jacket pockets.

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burpturtle
By burpturtle (Jul 4, 2012)

The sensor in the Samsung may be much smaller than the Sony's, but if seen from the perspective of pixel density, then the gap narrows anyway.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 4, 2012)

I've used the EX1 and G12/GX1 quite extensively, the size isn't even close. EX1/2 are pocketable whereas the G12/G1X aren't. It's not an ultracompact, but its definitely a compact. The Sony may be lighter and smaller but its not all by that much practically speaking, not enough for it to be a determining factor.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 4, 2012)

@ Cgarrard:
" not enough for it to be a determining factor"
For you. I wouldn't want anything like that in my pants pockets, YMOV.

@ burpturtle:
Pixel density has very little to do with noise levels for a given output. Based on sensor size, you'd expect about a stop and a half difference. The lens speed, BSI and sensor technology in general (Sony vs Samsung?) come into play.
For sheer DR though, sensor size wins every time.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 4, 2012)

And actually, apart from height (due to the viewfinder from the Canon), the size is almost identical to the G12, especially where it counts in your pants pockets: thickness. Not to mention the factor weight, pretty much the same as the G12 too. A whopping 81% heavier than the RX100 and even without the lenscap 28% thicker.

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Tom Goodman
By Tom Goodman (Jul 4, 2012)

There is no question the size issue is important when choosing one of these compact cameras, but frankly I never carried my S95 (which, by the way, I found very disappointing) in my pants or shirt pocket. I always put it in a very small case (somewhat akin to a cell phone case) strapped on my belt or in a coat pocket (winter or fall, of course). Carrying a camera in a pants pocket isn't especially comfortable no matter how small.

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remo1232
By remo1232 (Jul 3, 2012)

I do not understand some people that are keep posting complaints here. No GPS, No viewfinder, no this, no that...
I believe people who developed this camera are smarter then me and if they'd thought of a need for a GPS, I am sure they'd add one. Or any other components. This is a compact camera, and there is so much a compact camera can do. My opinion f 1.4 is unbeatable for a compact camera at the moment.
So why not take advantage of this and enjoy what we can do with, instead keep complaining what we can not do with it. I work on cruise ships and circled the world twice.
I have over 20.000 pictures and are 90% shot on film. I can tell you all the technical details of every single picture. Including the location.
I really don't need the camera to tell me where have I taken the picture.

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mainvision
By mainvision (Jul 4, 2012)

GPS is essential for travel phography. If you can remember the location of each of your 20 K pictures taken around the globe, your talent is wasted on a cruise ship. I travel a fair bit and a few months after island hopping in Greece, it's a struggle to remember where each picture was taken, I have better things to do than tag each and every picture by hand every night, after a day of hiking and shooting, I'd rather hit the tavernas for a good meal.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 4, 2012)

"GPS is essential for travel phography. "

It's very easy to - even with really cheap (around $36) GPS trackers - reliably(!) record and, then, synchronize GPS data to your images (I'm continuously doing it) - see http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/geocoding-photos-your-ios-device-or-desktop-computer . I do it all the time and can state that synching even thousands of pictures with their GPS coordinates only takes 2-3 hours at most, some 2-3 minutes of which is human work.

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 5, 2012)

interesting to be sure

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 3, 2012)

Cool, a replacement for the TL500.

Now Samsung needs to get display copies to stores in the USA, still waiting to handle an actual NX20 before leaping.

Samsung also really needs to send out review copies of this camera and the NX20--the 85mm 1.4 NX lens too.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Jul 3, 2012)

Why leave out GPS. It would be complete with that included.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

BTW, it's very easy to - even with really cheap GPS trackers - reliably(!) record and, then, synchronize GPS data to your images (I'm continuously doing it) - see http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/geocoding-photos-your-ios-device-or-desktop-computer

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Jul 3, 2012)

that's just a hassle and it doesn't include directional info.

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mainvision
By mainvision (Jul 4, 2012)

GPS. Is essential for a travel camera, IMO. Tiny Panasonic cameras have it, not counting smart phones, so it wouldn't have added to bulk and cost. External GPS loggers are a hassle: the Jobo Photo GPS has to be attached with gaffer tape or you lose it. And you have to sync GPS data with the pictures with their lousy software, very clunky.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 4, 2012)

"External GPS loggers are a hassle: the Jobo Photo GPS has to be attached with gaffer tape or you lose it."

Well, I have been using a GPS tracker all the time. Have always kept it in my backpack or pocket. Never lost it.

" And you have to sync GPS data with the pictures with their lousy software, very clunky."

Have you ever used GPSBabel and GeoSetter? With the right workflow, you can very quickly synch your coordinates.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 4, 2012)

"that's just a hassle and it doesn't include directional info."

You mean the OP or my post? If the latter, let me point out that very few cameras that also have GPS built-in have a compass in addition. Mostly Sony's low-IQ compact travelzooms noone would (any more) purchase with far better choices (260 HS etc.) around. Other GPS-enabled cameras are almost all without compass.

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chris_j_l
By chris_j_l (Jul 3, 2012)

I loved my EX1 - until my nephew stole it. It felt truly like 'essence of photography'.

I hope the fastest shutter speed of 1/1500s (or a built in ND filter or max f number aperture) is improved. Having to use an ND during bright days in the UK was a bit laughable.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Jul 3, 2012)

Sony (and Canon) said that on that sensors sizes (maybe pixels sizes also) BSI weren't effective. Let's see if they were right.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

You mean at 1/1.7"? Definitely not stated this. They stated it's at the much larger APS-C (and similar DSLR-sizes) that BSI is ineffective.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 3, 2012)

If BSI works as well as it does on the fantastic Pentax Q, which for a camera that has a tiny 1/2.3" sensor, has amazingly good IQ, it should work wonderfully on this new Samsung.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jul 3, 2012)

Effective? Not needed, maybe. Whatever size sensor you need roughly the same circiutry per pixel. BSI sensor reduce the area occupied by that circuitry. On a small sensor that decrease matters, on a 1" sensor Sony has decided the theoretical advantage is insignificant. Possibly because the microlenses capture almost all the light even without a BSI design.

This is a great time for a small camera buyer. The only significant negative for me on the Samsung is the limited zoom range. It's an understandable compromise, but reduces the attractiveness as a travel camera. Which is otherwise quite high. Wi-Fi for me would be great as I don't travel with a computer. The remote viewfinder is also cool. The Camera Store (in Calgary) did one of their typically superb videos on the NX cameras that showed off the potential. They showed it working even at a good range. Combined with an unexpected articulated display this looks like a remarkably versatile camera for both stills and video.

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mcantu
By mcantu (Jul 3, 2012)

whats the thickness at the lens? it has to be way more than the 1.14" listed...

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

Nice, an F/1.4 - f/2.7 24-80mm lens and 1 1/7" 12mp BSI CMOS sensor to boot, that ought to score well on many fronts. Funny thing is reading the press release you'd think this lens was a fixed 24mm at first :). I did.

Handsome compact, this is one that rings my bell to be certain. Slightly longer telephoto than the EX1 is a bonus too- would have preferred 90mm, but good enough.

Layout looks nice too, grip very much so.

Solid specs, see how it performs. Samsung make some decent stuff, I liked the brief time I had with the EX1. Hopefully they will make a successor to the TL350 at some point (an underappreciated camera of its time).

Carl

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Jul 3, 2012)

RAW!

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 3, 2012)

Exciting stuff .... I LOVED the EX1 and it was a wrench to let it go in favour of my S95 due to its smaller size. The EX1 was a significantly better camera than the S95 and sooooo underrated, so this new by is gonna be VERY tempting, even if it is bigger ( I just might buy both!)

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KVirtanen
By KVirtanen (Jul 3, 2012)

The Tank returns.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 3, 2012)

What is the actual focal length range so I can get an idea of dof

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jul 3, 2012)

If you want shallow DOF, just buy a GF3 for $329 with the included 14mm f2.5 lens.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 3, 2012)

two big

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Mattoid
By Mattoid (Jul 3, 2012)

Too big* unless you mean it is too big by a factor of two.

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PPW
By PPW (Jul 3, 2012)

Look closely at the picture of the camera. Front of lens says 5.2 to 17.2 mm.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 4, 2012)

Yes PPW the picture is about as fake as Samsung's attempt at making a serious camera.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 4, 2012)

@Mssimo why would you use a 12mm lens to get shallow DoF?

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Felix E Klee
By Felix E Klee (Jul 3, 2012)

Is there a documented API so that custom apps can be written to
interact with the camera?

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MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (Jul 3, 2012)

Just noticed, no GPS or orientation sensor. Bad. GPS is priceless really for when you forget where you took a pic and for general photo organisation in apps and web services such as iPhoto, Picasa etc. Don't understand why they left GPS and orientation sensor out in 2012! Even Panny and Sony include these as standard across all their compact cameras. Almost perfect!

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Music Hands
By Music Hands (Jul 3, 2012)

GPS is not standard across all compact cameras; indeed it's rare. I agree it should be.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

It's very easy to - even with really cheap (around $36) GPS trackers - reliably(!) record and, then, synchronize GPS data to your images (I'm continuously doing it) - see http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/geocoding-photos-your-ios-device-or-desktop-computer

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (Jul 3, 2012)

The sensor is too small to make a serious camera. Fast lens and tiny sensor!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

I completely beg to differ.

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JojieRT
By JojieRT (Jul 3, 2012)

a serious camera has bellows :-)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

Let's wait with dumping the camera... while I don't think it'll have better general IQ than the RX100, it has a much wider and much brighter lens to offset the sensor size difference.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

Many people don't print much these days with web galleries and photo blogs being incredibly popular. A camera like this, the excellent S100, X10, XZ-1, GRD IV all are capable of superb images for decent sized prints, and great looking galleries. "Serious" is a relative term.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

The sensor is pretty big by the standards of a couple of years ago. It's only very recently that sensor sizes have crept beyond this in compacts.

Frankly, the link between sensor size and lens size is too strong to make larger sensors universally better in compact cameras. A larger sensor doesn't gain low-light capability, since the lens must be commensurately slower; so all it really does is improve base-ISO performance when you're not depth-of-field limited (cf. Canon G1 X). (Granted, that's a common scenario on holiday, for example.)

That photographers widely believe larger sensors to be all about low-light performance, and smaller sensors to be perfectly adequate in bright daylight, is one of the enduring ironies of the compact-camera market.

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Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (Jul 3, 2012)

Way to go Samsung! A hotshoe TOO!!!! (gezundheit!) Love it! now give me an optical viewfinder and a lens shade (rectangular) and I'd fall in love!

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h2k
By h2k (Jul 3, 2012)

This is an ambitious and interesting cam, even though 80 mm equiv seems a tad short. Let's hope there is a "zoom by cropping" mode.

Anyway, nice to see serious restraint on pixel count and zoom power in favour of assumed quality.

Great to see a side-hinging monitor (and i don't need it for self-portraiture); just sad it's not a touch screen.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 3, 2012)

Zoom by cropping is exactly what a serious photographer wants on a physically small 12 mp sensor. That was my sarcastic voice btw

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

80 mm at the long end is plenty for an everyday compact camera. Beyond that you run into severe compromises in terms of maximum aperture, image quality, and weight/volume. And despite Kodachrome200's sarcastic voice, cropping is definitely an option if you find yourself unable to fill the frame. These cameras are about getting the shot, not shooting billboards.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (Jul 3, 2012)

Now this is a "race" I can get into. rather than the pixel density race, I much prefer the optical brightness race, especially in these compact cameras!

I'm also excited that the lens' is very bright even at the telephoto end.

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MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (Jul 3, 2012)

What does that ring around the lens do? Is it similar to that on the S100, Fuji, Sony and others, allowing for control of exposure, or purely for manual focusing and zoom? If it does allow for exposure control in conjunction with the front mounted thumbwheel, that will be great from an ergonomic standpoint.

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thielges
By thielges (Jul 4, 2012)

If it is like the EX1 then the ring is not a control, just a cover over the threads that accept lens adapters.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Jul 3, 2012)

F/2.7@80mm equiv. is not too shabby either: only Oly XZ1 is better with F/2.5@112mm. Panasonic, Canon, Nikon are all much slower at the long end. I just hope that the Samsung sensor output is not as horrible as most of their sensors.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

EX1 in raw is actually pretty decent and competitive to other 1 1/7" sensors of its time. I'm hoping Samsung have taken a leap forward with this one- being a BSI CMOS implies they have.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

The EX1/TL500 used the same Sony CCD sensor as the Canons, Ricohs, and several other cameras, which is why it performed similarly. With a bit of luck, this BSI sensor is also a Sony, i.e. best in class.

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SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (Jul 3, 2012)

Interesting camera with impressive specs, but, imo, not a great value at full price considering the other offerings from more established camera brands in the market.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

That's suggested retail, probably be $499.00 at the start. I'll buy one in a year or so when they dip into the 3hundy range :). Just picked up a TL350 for 150.00 there's a steal of a compact too.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jul 3, 2012)

What's the opposite of a "smart camera"? A stupid camera?
Seriously, the aperture values are a real feat for this kind of camera. Can't wait to see how it performs.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 3, 2012)

Smart is used as a marketing crown too often, I agree. Kind of silly to the informed person. I dont' care though the camera is exciting despite that moniker.

C

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junyo
By junyo (Jul 3, 2012)

The EX1/TL500 was a underrated little camera, hampered in large part by Samsung... well, being Samsung. Weird inconsistencies in the interface and functions (like a hot shoe that lots standard, but only works with certain flashes, and turning off RAW in certain exposure modes). That said, even if all that did was fix some of the oddities and upgrade the sensor, I'll have to take a hard look at this, once the price drops.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

"You can adjust incoming rays and the shake of a moving subject by increasing or decreasing the shutter speed." — at 9 seconds in this video posted by another commentator:

youtu.be/zDszlLtP5wk

Someone needs to give Samsung a tin of polish...

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