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Samsung releases 12MP EX2F 'Smart Camera'

By dpreview staff on Jul 3, 2012 at 16:44 GMT

Samsung has launched the EX2F, sucessor to its EX1 high-end compact camera. The magnesium-bodied EX2F features a 1/1.7" 12.4MP BSI CMOS sensor and the fastest lens of any compact camera on the market - F1.4 at its widest 24mm equiv setting (slowing down to F2.7 at the 80mm equiv end). ISO sensitivity can be extended up to ISO 12,800 and as well as various still image modes the EX2F can also capture full HD 1080/30p video. The 'F' in the model name designates Wi-Fi and, as we'd expect from Samsung in 2012, the EX2F features the full complement of 'Smart' options offered by its high-end NX cousins, including Mobile Link, Remote Viewfinder, Email and Auto Backup. The EX2F will be priced at $549 and will be available in August.


Press Release:

Samsung combines super-bright photography with easy sharing in the new SMART CAMERA EX2F

 The new model boasts the world’s brightest compact camera lens with F1.4 aperture

SEOUL, Korea – July 3, 2012 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd, a global leader in digital media and digital convergence technologies, has announced the launch of the EX2F, the latest model in its growing range of Wi-Fi-enabled SMART CAMERAs. Following the success of the EX1 with F1.8 lens, the new model is engineered to deliver super-bright photography thanks to its F1.4 lens, the brightest in any compact camera. The high image and video quality of the EX2F also comes with the advantage of being able to store and share images remotely using Wi-Fi functionality. Encompassing Full Manual Control in a strong but lightweight body, the EX2F is ideal for DSLR-owners looking for more portable equipment to capture images spontaneously and subtly, and for photographers looking for a step-up in quality from their point-and-shoot whilst retaining ease-of-use and portability.

The EX2F combines a number of features to deliver incredible picture quality in all conditions. With the segment-leading advanced F1.4 24mm Lens, the wide range of aperture steps delivers clear images and video even in very low light conditions. These are easily controlled using the professional front wheel key and Dual Dials, which enable switching between parameters and modes quickly for greater manual control. The low-light capabilities of the EX2F are also added to by the 1/1.7” 12 Megapixel BSI CMOS sensor, which delivers clear, blur-free images - even when shooting objects in low-light situations.

Fusing quality with creativity, 1080/30p Full HD Movie Recording with stereo sound allows users to capture video in high enough quality to enjoy on a Full HD TV. The EX2F also allows still 12 Megapixel photos and video to be captured simultaneously using the Dual Capture feature, so that any scene can be shot as both photo and video.

The world’s brightest compact camera lens

The EX2F’s F1.4 24mm wide-angle lens is approximately four times as bright as a F2.8 camera lens. A further development is that the lens unit now consists of eleven elements in nine groups, with four aspherical lenses and two high refractive lenses. Combined, these provide a 20% increase in the amount of light on the sensor, a 20% increase in image quality and a 10% increase in zoom ratio.

The lens on the EX2F also incorporates a Neutral Density (ND) filter, giving the user greater control over exposure time in different conditions and making photos appear more neutral in situations of over-exposure. It also allows for shooting at a very shallow depth of field, so users can isolate their subjects from backgrounds to create stunning portraits. To make bright images clearer, the EX2F also includes Dual IS (OIS and DIS) to minimize the effect of shaking – particularly useful in low-light situations.

Complete control

Housed in a sleek yet durable high-intensity magnesium body, more commonly found on DSLR models, the EX2F combines high-end image quality with convenience and speed. For those accustomed to the level of creative control on DSLRs, the EX2F allows for shooting in RAW mode for professional standard pictures. The EX2F also encompasses Full Manual Control as well as Aperture and Shutter Priority modes. The Dual Dial and front wheel keys also allow users to quickly and easily adjust exposure for effortless pro-style control. This is all combined into a body that is compact and light, making it possible to carry the camera anywhere for spontaneous shots without the complication and intrusiveness of a weighty DSLR.

Bright and intuitive display

The 3.0” Swivel AMOLED display is perfect for lining up great shots and viewing them under any light conditions – and does so whilst consuming little battery power. The screen responds swiftly and displays images in high contrast, while the swivel display allows picture-taking from low and high angles – even self-portraits. The screen also incorporates Samsung’s Smart Panel user interface, which integrates all parameters into one display for easy control over the end result.

Shooting and sharing from anywhere

The EX2F is the latest in Samsung’s SMART CAMERA range of Wi-Fi-enabled cameras, which take the combination of high-quality imaging paired with connectivity to a new level. Wi-Fi connectivity enables the secure storage of images through Auto Backup to a PC or saving to the Cloud. In addition, sharing to social networking sites such as Facebook or Picasa is easy – or pictures can be sent via email.

The EX2F’s Mobile Link opens doors for connectivity with smartphones, without even having to resize images or video. Users can also access the Remote Viewfinder to use their smartphone’s screen to frame shots from a variety of angles. Through the SMART LINK button, all these functions can be accessed with one touch for simplified sharing and storage.

“We created the EX2F to show that taking great pictures doesn’t have to involve carrying a heavy and bulky DSLR wherever you go. Because the best shots often arise when you least expect them, the EX2F delivers manual control and stunningly bright image quality in a body that is small and light enough to carry around every day. It’s the perfect compact on-the-road companion for the DLSR user who expects the best image quality with full creative control.” said Mr. Myoung Sup Han, Senior Vice President and Head of the Digital Imaging Business, Samsung Electronics. “The inclusion of Samsung’s pioneering Wi-Fi technology also means that you can share those images straight from the camera, giving you the freedom to shoot and share wherever the journey takes you.”

Samsung EX2F Key Features

  • 12.4MP BSI CMOS sensor
  • ISO 80-3200 (extendable to 12800)
  • 24-80mm equivalent zoom lens
  • F1.4 maximum aperture at 24mm 
  • Full HD 1080/30p video recording
  • Dual IS
  • Built-in WiFi connectivity
  • 3in AMOLED display

Samsung EX2F Specifications

Body type
Body typeCompact
Body materialMagnesium Alloy
Sensor
Effective pixels12 megapixels
Sensor size1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm)
Sensor typeBSI-CMOS
Image
ISOAuto, 80, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200
Image stabilizationOptical
Uncompressed formatRAW
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)24–80 mm
Optical zoom3.3×
Maximum apertureF1.4 - F2.7
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
Digital zoomYes
Manual focusYes
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFully articulated
Screen size3
Touch screenNo
Screen typeAMOLED
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic (optional)
Photography features
Built-in flashYes
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Fill-in, Slow syncro, Manual
Self-timerYes
Videography features
FormatH.264
Videography notesFull HD 1080/30p
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion SLB-10A battery & charger
Weight (inc. batteries)294 g (0.65 lb / 10.37 oz)
Dimensions112 x 62 x 29 mm (4.41 x 2.44 x 1.14)
Other features
Orientation sensorNo
GPSNone

Additional Images

15
I own it
20
I want it
4
I had it
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Comments

Total comments: 370
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matt_nnn
By matt_nnn (Sep 17, 2012)

@DPReview: why isn't there a preview for this camera?
I can already order it on amazon.de...

I am not a Samsung fanboy (usually use Nikon and just bought a LX7) but my sister is interested in a WIFI capable camera and the Samsung would also offer a nicely fast lens, not like the S110...

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Raed Ameen
By Raed Ameen (Sep 10, 2012)

hi .. is this enter-changable lens camera?

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grafli
By grafli (Oct 10, 2012)

nope

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 5, 2012)

Unfortunately both the Samsung USA website and the B+H website (it’s now available there) state that this Samsung does NOT shoot RAW. It’s jpeg stills only.

What on earth is Samsung thinking? With that high quality lens and with Samsung’s poor reputation for jpegs, who’d buy this camera?

Samsung should issue a firmware fix immediately–no there’s no new firmware on the Samsung US website for download. The competition sure shoots raw, and raw makes use in lowlight much easier.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Sep 6, 2012)

Samsung said in their press release it shoots raw, you really think they would do that and it only shoot Jpeg? C'mon. Really..

I'll have mine on Friday and I'd bet my next 10 paychecks it has raw.

C

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Aug 27, 2012)

I'd like to have this kind of camera (or Panasonic LX7) with the sensor of the Sony RX100! And an EVF as an option. Or even better 2 cameras: One with a zoom-lens 20 - 36 mm and the other one with 38 - 120 mm. I wouldn't need much more equipment.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 19, 2012)

ALERT!!!
The specifications are deceptive. The weight of 294g is WITHOUT battery (and SD card I presume):
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=20206
The depth of 29mm is just a lie (probably is measured in the thinnest point and not at thickest as required and reported by other manufacturers).
I would not be surprised if they report width without the protruding lugs etc.
They think if they are not a Japanese company they can avoid following CIPA standards? But it is just a fraud. Buyer beware!

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (Jul 27, 2012)

THANK YOU!!! A last someone thinks of the children!

3 upvotes
Fulcanelli
By Fulcanelli (Jul 15, 2012)

Anybody know the Image Ratio H:W available? This looks like the perfect camera for me. I must make sure it has 2:3 ratio, my favorite size.

1 upvote
Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jul 18, 2012)

Crop it yourself??

1 upvote
Fulcanelli
By Fulcanelli (Aug 10, 2012)

No thanks. I compose my pictures before taking them and avoid this procedure. Since posting this I did learn that the camera does offer the ratio I prefer.

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JNR
By JNR (Aug 20, 2012)

Sensor size indicates that it is 4:3 ratio. I am sure that you can program to 3:2 losing about 10% of the area at the top and bottom. Personally, I'm a fan of 4:3 from my medium format days.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jul 15, 2012)

OK... now how do we get these optics onto the Sony RX100... or the Sony's larger sensor into this package?

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bikebum
By bikebum (Jul 9, 2012)

hmmm, the wait for a high end compact with a built in evf continues.... maybe fuji x11?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jul 15, 2012)

I don't get you guys man! You have this nice bright huge LCD screen, it even pivots and everything, and you still want to peek through a keyhole as they did in the 1800's. I don't see what the big deal is - viewfinders on this product category are pretty rudimentary... besides... why do you want to add the cost of an EVF on a camera with a 1/1.7" sensor anyways?

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Indulis Bernsteins
By Indulis Bernsteins (Jul 16, 2012)

I have an LX-5 and the EVF is fantastic- even though it is of low quality, it just changes how you take photos. Definitely worth spending money on.

1 upvote
Almeida
By Almeida (Jul 9, 2012)

So will the EX3 get a 21-60mm f/0.95-2.9 lens? Can't wait. :D

2 upvotes
malcolm82
By malcolm82 (Jul 7, 2012)

Expensive full frame F1.4 primes have horrible resolution and vignetting wide open, how good can we expect an F1.4 zoom on a tiny sensor to be?

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Diopter
By Diopter (Jul 7, 2012)

I used the EX-1 for a season ( ca 15, 000 exposures). The quality of the hardware is that of the Nikon FM2 or so and the ergonomics are excellent. The lens is great at any aperture/focal length configuration.
The only doubts come from ISO 800 and above. Play yourself with the widget at this site ....
My later purchase: nex5 convinced me that vertical flip-flop is much more functional for that type of the camera than a fully articulated LCD.

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (Jul 8, 2012)

Can you explain why "vertical flip-flop is much more functional for that type of the camera than a fully articulated LCD" cause i have tried a few times and i think the Sony type "flipflop" seems really complicated.

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Diopter
By Diopter (Jul 9, 2012)

In most situations the flip-flop makes sense is above the head and belly button shooting. The last one proved its usefulness in the street photography yet in the times of the legendary C-330 and other dual lens reflex cameras with ground glass.
The use of the Sony-type flip-flop does not increase visibility of the camera. Fully articulated LCD requires pulling the entire thing aside, what makes the camera much bigger and attracting much more attention. A crucial difference in some types of photography.
Vertical flip flop also has less parts and it seems to be much more resistant to malfunction and maltreatment.

Again, the EX-1 is a very unique camera where elegance and pleasure in handling is coming from unbelievable quality of manufacturing and design.
:-)

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (Jul 9, 2012)

Well maybe yes, the fully articulated LCD may attract more attention, but only a tiny bit more.

What i never got is how do you use it in portrait shot? Are you stuck with landscape only? What about self portrait? or self portrait+tripod?

I have been using fully articulated LCD since 2004 and never had problems.

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Diopter
By Diopter (Jul 9, 2012)

As always: first you need to decide what kind of a tool you will use today ... :-))
Here is EX-1 at ISO 3200 in very low light:
http://www.artol.info/3/04/226/226-couple-and-beer-liberia-cr.html
Here is Nex5 at ISO 6400 also in very low light:
http://artol.info/3/03/129/129-tarot-reader-panama.html
Both are hand-held at ca 1/20 sec.
To me the quality of the EX-1 is stunning for the given size of the sensor and technology, but one cannot match capabilities of the 4 and 6-cylinder motor.

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windmillgolfer
By windmillgolfer (Jul 7, 2012)

The spec is just about perfect for me. An LX5 with better aperture and an articulated screen (at last). Touch screen and GPS not needed Now need to see a reputable review for IQ, etc. 80mm is fine and f1.4 more than compensates for the loss of 10mm. I'll be interested to see what the macro focus minimum is - 1cm?

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Charlie Jin
By Charlie Jin (Jul 7, 2012)

Wow, this one is just perfect for advanced P&S.
Especially I like the two dial buttons on top.
I hate the touch screen.
Tilt and rotatable screen is great too. Great specs.
I love the WiFi feature. Finally it's here.
I can take pictures and simply upload it from camera.
I wonder whether it will come with some photo editing
app and apps that upload photos to facebook/twitter/...etc.

1 upvote
Sam Rowlands
By Sam Rowlands (Jul 7, 2012)

Can't help feeling that Samsung has arrived to the party, wearing last years costume.

Both Canon and Sony have moved onto larger sensors, which ultimately give better image quality, smaller DOF and better low light ability.

Its like trying to sell a sedan that only does 20 miles per gallon, while everyone else's does 40 mpg.

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Kirppu
By Kirppu (Jul 6, 2012)

Aperture values gets wider, but at tge same time maximum focal length gets smaller in the enthusiast camera group. My opininion is that the 4x should be considered the absolute minimum zoom/focal length in the p&s group.

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Sam Rowlands
By Sam Rowlands (Jul 7, 2012)

it's sorta a moot point as the sensor is so small. 1.4 on a sensor this size works out at about f10 on a FF.

Both the Sony RX100 and the Canon GX1, have larger sensors, so in fact Sony's 1.8 is more like f4.5...

Not to mention the larger sensor camera's will have better low light performance to begin with and Samsung's noise control is particularly bad (compare Samsung cameras to others here in DPReview).

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 7, 2012)

"it's sorta a moot point as the sensor is so small. 1.4 on a sensor this size works out at about f10 on a FF."

No it does not. There are about 4-4.5 stops of difference in the sensor size, f/1.4 works out to about f/5.6 on FF (definitely no more than f/7). f/1.8 on 1" (RX100/Nikon 1) is 3 stops smaller than FF, about f/5.
Now the difference between f/2.7 and f/4.9 at the long end work other way around, to f/10.3 on 1/1.7" and f/13.5 on 1".
And the 1/1.7 BSI-CMOS is probably not even Samsung's own.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Jul 8, 2012)

@Sam:
I'd say, to most users your point is totally moot, because they need large DOF most of the times.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 6, 2012)

Finally RX100 has a competitor, at least at the longer focal lengths.

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Sam Rowlands
By Sam Rowlands (Jul 7, 2012)

Except that the larger Sony sensor and Sony's better noise control (see previous comparisons between Sony & Samsung).

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 7, 2012)

But larger sensor only matters if it gets more light. Brighter lens of EX2 means that at longer focal lengths it's sensor get as much or more light as the sensor of RX100.

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malcolm82
By malcolm82 (Jul 7, 2012)

Exactly, larger sensors do not result in better low light performance, it is the size of the aperture that determines that.

Larger sensors get higher resolution from similar quality equivalent lenses and better good light performance at similar base iso settings.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Jul 11, 2012)

There are already a few competitors in my opinion. One of the hardest for me is Oly's XZ-1.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Aug 27, 2012)

The lens of the EX2F is not brighter than the RX100's! Taking the size of the sensor into account (lens aperture and sensor size is decisive for depth of field) the lens of the RX100 is much brighter than of all competitors!

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 6, 2012)

It's not a beautiful camera, but has a solid looking grip, a terrific Schneider lens, and a tilt/swivel screen - all great things. But I don't know why vendors have to write f1.4 or f1.8 like the XZ-1 or Full HD on the front of cameras. They aren't places for specs. Take a cue from the X10, still one of the prettiest P&Ss ever. No logos, no writing, nothing on the front. The top panel can have any little "Full HD" or "AVCHD" spec cues designers want, but with the front, the cleaner the better.

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Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Jul 6, 2012)

Can't totally agree with you.
Indeed X10 is a beautiful camera, but EX2f is a beauty too. And f1.4 is not just a spec it is the most important adavantage which distinguishes this camera from other P&S.

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gillamoto
By gillamoto (Jul 6, 2012)

I'm totally agree with you. those writings are a mess, and ruin the look. but however, they want sales. and those writings sell a lot to consumers. and if possible, maybe they would put on some endorsements from dpreview or dxomark..

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malcolm82
By malcolm82 (Jul 7, 2012)

Shows why they use the small sensors, if they had put an m43 sensor in this camera they would have had f3-6 as advertisement numbers.

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RStyga
By RStyga (Jul 5, 2012)

F1.4 is great but the DoF is still toy-like... FOV x4.6...

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GSD_ZA
By GSD_ZA (Jul 5, 2012)

Well done Samsung. In its class, this is the one I'd pick.

3 upvotes
OS74
By OS74 (Jul 5, 2012)

Looks promising. Too bad no one is making underwater housings for Samsung yet, maybe this camera could change that.

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Diopter
By Diopter (Jul 5, 2012)

It is never enough to praise the body and lens of the EX-1 , so I am not surprised by Samsung's effort to keep this stunning beauty in their offer.
But the new (?) Samsung's CMOS is not the same as 1" Exmor.
Too bad !

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Jul 5, 2012)

Really no vert/horiz orientation sensor? Surely this is a typo.

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KVirtanen
By KVirtanen (Jul 6, 2012)

I believe EX1 didn't have it either, so it "makes sense" at that level I guess.

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ThingsAbove
By ThingsAbove (Jul 5, 2012)

There's not nearly enough features in that camera. Samsung needs to develop a ocular implant accessory to control the camera. True EVF.

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acid592
By acid592 (Jul 5, 2012)

Seems like light sensitivity will become much much better. But when?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KFpsFpc-ww
If there is no loss of any information coming into the camera. Sensor size and lens quality will be the only determinants of quality I believe.

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BitFarmer
By BitFarmer (Jul 5, 2012)

Just an off topic: What a horrible way to measure sensor sizes as 1/1.25", you need a calculator to compare!

I would find it more convenient to use mm., but hey, I am used to mm.

For all you used to inches and fractions, please consider using exponents... hum, mine is 0.65^1/2 mm., while your is 0.8^1/3... witch one would you buy?

Extrange way of measuring you have, my friends! (no offense intended, ofcourse)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 5, 2012)

Still using a calculator, one can simply do the math in millimeters then divid by 10,000 to get the actual number of square centimeters.

I believe this Samsung sensor is something like 0.61cm. (But don't have a calculator to check my math, and no will not open that function on this Mac.)

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Laszlo13
By Laszlo13 (Jul 6, 2012)

Fractions are a difficult concept. Took a while for my son to understand when he was in 3rd grade.

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njnikon
By njnikon (Jul 5, 2012)

Excellent! Should be very impressive. Now for the biggest question - Price?

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 5, 2012)

This is a living proof that m43 lenses are way overpriced.

2 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 5, 2012)

Apples and oranges... this thing will surely not deliver the same IQ as, say, the 20/1.7 on an Oly OM-D...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 5, 2012)

It won't be able to produce the same sized prints no, but its IQ might still be better, especially in low light as will its DR. Its not all just about the size of the sensor!

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 5, 2012)

Actually just trying to flame another equivalence debate =P

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 5, 2012)

If people insist that the new Oly 75mm 1.8 is the same category as Canon's 135L. I don't see why the lens on EX2 is not comparable to Canon's 24mm 1.4L
=P

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 5, 2012)

one has nothing to do with the other but i think you right

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flipmac
By flipmac (Jul 5, 2012)

"If people insist that the new Oly 75mm 1.8 is the same category as Canon's 135L. I don't see why the lens on EX2 is not comparable to Canon's 24mm 1.4L"

I know you're joking, but that's not even remotely funny.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 6, 2012)

For web images a high end P&S that has raw is certainly capable of excellent images. It's only if want shallow DOF that a P&S can't keep up a m43 camera. But the converse of that is for deep DOF macros or landscapes a P&S might actually be better for front to back focus.

Some of my favorite images have been made with my GRD or XZ-1. Why? Because I had them with me when I needed them, and I could go into stealth mode and shoot without spoiling the moment.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 6, 2012)

marike6, wt you sad is certainly true, high-end P&Ss are excellent tools, and worth their money.
And obviously smaller lens = lower cost.
Sadly it's not the case for m43, their lenses are over-priced.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 6, 2012)

I originally wanted to use m43 as a travel / hiking set. But after finding out the Panasonic 7-14 costs a ridiculous $1000....
Instead of whining on forums, I took action, gave up and sold all my m43 gear.
If a cheapo UWA appears in the future, I'll certainly join m43 once again. But until then, I'm more than happy with my 5D + Sigma 12-24!

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manakiin
By manakiin (Jul 6, 2012)

What about Olympus 9-18mm?

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 6, 2012)

The Oly 9-18 is a really interesting offering, it's weight is a traveler's dream come true.
The 18mm equiv. just isn't wide enough. And once again it's on the expensive side, around $600. Which is about the same as Tokina 11-16 for aps-c. The Tokina's optical quality is much much better.
If one values lightness the most, the Olympus should be the better option.

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ConanFuji
By ConanFuji (Jul 5, 2012)

what a pity... no touch screen shooting.
Imagine if it does, you can then shoot from any angle with that swivel LCD.
Deal Breaker

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Jul 5, 2012)

LOL....seriously....most ridiculous post I've read in days...and that is saying something.

What a pity, no coffee maker. Deal breaker.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 5, 2012)

+1 Clint.

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ConanFuji
By ConanFuji (Jul 5, 2012)

No coffee for me, I hate that shtt. U are just not bright enough to realize what I'm talking about. The jokes on you.

Comment edited 35 seconds after posting
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Parappaman
By Parappaman (Jul 5, 2012)

WiFi can be used to get a remote viewfinder on a cellphone, with touch focus assist and controls. So, in a way, there is touch screen shooting, you only need to use a decently recent smartphone.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 5, 2012)

I understand what Conans talking about ... but its still a daft request as you still have to hold the camera so you may as well use the button than faff about with the screen. I purchased a GF3 for this touch screen/focus/shoot feature and although the principle is great, in real life you just get blurred images as the camera moves out of focus as you press fat fingers on the screen!

Camera's DO NOT NEED touch screens ... I'd sooner have a built in collapsable tripod and keyring remote! (maybe not so daft after-all LOL!)

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 5, 2012)

Cameras are fine without touch screen. the jokes on you ConanFuji.

I agree with the others, it's one feeble excuse that one can even think of. maybe you are using your smartphone too much.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Jul 5, 2012)

Smart-phones and smart-cameras
can theoretically make people dumb.

Just kidding.

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acid592
By acid592 (Jul 5, 2012)

Will you spy on people from keyholes without a need to bend?
Hehehe just kidding?

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jpr2
By jpr2 (Jul 5, 2012)

alas - yest another Samsung WITHOUT eye-level VF = DOA, unfortunately :( !! which is a great, great pity

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 5, 2012)

True no ovf or evf, but it wont be DOA. At least it has a hotshoe so you can attach some of the smaller optical finders on it. Would be nice to have some sort of built in one, but it's got most of its competitors beat in other key specs.

C

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Parappaman
By Parappaman (Jul 5, 2012)

There is an optional viewfinder on this one, Samsung is clearly stating this in the specifications sheet. It hasn't been seen yet, but it should be introduced soon to the market.

4 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 5, 2012)

Well if it had an EVF then it wouldn't be what we have presented before us today would it!

These comments really p**s me off .... if you want this feature, buy another camera ... theres reasons why it was left off in the first place!

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Michael Kaufman
By Michael Kaufman (Jul 5, 2012)

Chad,

You seem to get upset every time someone posts something about a missing feature they would like. Perhaps you aren't clear on the concept of a discussion. They way it works is DPR posts information about a camera, and then people post the things they like and don't like about it.

So, in this case, someone didn't like the fact that it didn't have an EVF. This is a reasonable statement as some people prefer an EVF and the fact that it doesn't have one may influence their (and other folks) decisiions. Then someone else posted that there is an optional EVF. This was useful information to the EVF-preferring folks.

Your post was neither useful, nor did it add to the discussion. Surely the existence or non-existence of an EVF in a camera is more on-topic then information about what p**s you off. Many people care about the EVF, and I guess that only you care about what p**s you off.

I hope this little guide helps you in your future posting.

Regards, Michael

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 5, 2012)

I may be opinionated but at least I'm not condesending and patronising. Thank you for sharing your coments though like I have mine and DP allows us too, although your opinion to me means nothing as you're just like all the other moaning idiots on this site who whinge and whine. My post was purely to tell people not to moan (read it again). Might I also suggest you use your 'diplomatic skills' on someone that gives a damn (anyone that doesn't mind condescending people)

Regards, Chad.

1 upvote
Michael Kaufman
By Michael Kaufman (Jul 6, 2012)

Chad,

You are definitely not not condescending and patronizing. Your posts come more under the heading of rude and obnoxious. You've posted to DPR 139 times and pretty much every one is insulting to someone. To top it off, I'll be damned if I can find a single one that contains anything of use at all. You seem unable to post anything but vile and vitriol.

And to top it off, you now fall back on the "oh, I was just trying to help". If you are going to be an obnoxious SOB, at least do it proudly.

Best Wishes, Michael

2 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 6, 2012)

Yawn, get a life mate .... Are you so bored and up your own a**s you have to spend time trawling my posts just to make sanctimonious coments. I suggest you re-do your trawl to read the posts where I have given help and solid advice ... And once you've done that, if you're still sad and bitter enough to still want to carry on calling me, then please do so via chadley_chad@hotmail.com rather than posting your irrelevant opinions on here. You call me but I think you need to turn the mirror around and look at yourself. If you don't like my opinion (as per my original coment) then you're welcome to do nothing rather than reply bitching and as I've said, being condescending and in general, an ar*e!

1 upvote
yooperguy
By yooperguy (Jul 8, 2012)

@Parappaman

The optional finder is the optical viewfinder OVF-1, per a Samsung announcement in the UK -

http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/localnews/2012/samsung-announces-ex2f-smart-camera

The OVF-1 slides in to the hot shoe, and looks like most other units. I found some available on eBay for the EX1.

Dennis

1 upvote
meanwhile
By meanwhile (Jul 5, 2012)

Anyone know if the EX2 has compressed RAW?

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jul 5, 2012)

What, you don't like 60MB RAW files? :)

2 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 5, 2012)

I hope too. Around 25MB raw size for 10mpx and 55MB for the 20mpx sensor. You need the new UHS-I card if you want more than 1fps continuous shooting ;)

0 upvotes
austin55
By austin55 (Jul 5, 2012)

This is great news. My TL500/EX1 is a fantastic camera and built like a tank. It rivaled the S95/100 G12, LX5 and Oly XZ1, except in the video dept. Now with an even faster lens, 1080p and 10mm more zoom I will order mine ASAA (available) As one reviewer said, The EX1 was highly under rated when compared to the ever popular Canon and Panasonic models, but it takes a backseat to none of these and now well... follow if you can!

0 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 5, 2012)

I'm waiting for the new panasonic LX to compare all those new offers (X10, G1X, LX, RX100, EX2). 80mm is a little short, and i wonder if there is panorama mode and handled night shot. For vga size, the video is quite great on the EX1, with good sound, and it's in a compressed mp4 format, ready to put on youtube and small size.

1 upvote
balchinian
By balchinian (Jul 6, 2012)

austin55, thanks for the tip about the Samsung TL500/EX1! I'm looking at the studio shot comparisons and the images appear to be superior to the newer Canon S100, even though it's from 2010. That ought to save me some money buying a used one, or maybe I'll just be cool like you and get the EX2F.

0 upvotes
MikeNeufeld30
By MikeNeufeld30 (Jul 5, 2012)

PimpCamera

1 upvote
LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (Jul 4, 2012)

Is there optical zoom on video?

0 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 5, 2012)

No reason to be different from the EX1. I hope the zoom is quieter, on EX1, you can hear the motor in quiet room.

0 upvotes
Digital enthusiast
By Digital enthusiast (Jul 4, 2012)

It's great news that Samsung has finally released an upgrade to the EX1, one of the best compacts around.

I love my EX1 but never ever managed to get it to work with a remote flash trigger. I've tried two different models without success, many EX1 users seem to have this problem.

Has anyone found a remote flash trigger model which works with the EX1?

Thanks for helping.

D.E

0 upvotes
Timdressler
By Timdressler (Jul 5, 2012)

Hey Digital enthusiast, I love my EX1 too and have been using the Yongnuo CTR-301P wireless flash trigger to sync my Panasonic PE-28S flash since March of this year. It has worked flawlessly for me so far! Here is their website: http://www.lightupfoto.com/photography-product/ctr-301p-wireless-flash-trigger-receiver-pc-sync
Hope this helps.

0 upvotes
Rooru S
By Rooru S (Jul 4, 2012)

Not interested, but hope at least the Drive Dial is customizable to another function. Seems like a combination of S95, NEX-7 and RX100.

0 upvotes
Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Jul 4, 2012)

It is like you didn't ever seen EX1 before.

1 upvote
ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (Jul 4, 2012)

I want to like it but I think the Panasonic LX7 will couple the same design to a larger (1 inch sensor)...

0 upvotes
geoson
By geoson (Jul 4, 2012)

Don't be so sure. The LX7 might have a larger sensor. But will it have faster lens? Articulated screen? AMOLED screen? ND filter? I'll say the same thing about the EX2 that I said about the EX1: other camera makers may do a few things better, or have a more advanced feature here or there, but no one put so many things together like the TL500. I'm looking forward to the new one.

2 upvotes
MattBrisVegas
By MattBrisVegas (Jul 5, 2012)

A 24mm to 80mm f/1.4 to 2.5 lens to cover a 1" sensor would be too large to fit on a camera this size.

4 upvotes
YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Jul 5, 2012)

Would be really cool though, even if it would be bigger. The perfect camera for easy low light photography, especially for people as it's still going to look small and not threatening.

0 upvotes
MrTritium
By MrTritium (Jul 4, 2012)

I don’t find the EX2 aperture range that impressive.

Sure f1.4 at 24mm is a breakthrough, but f2.7 at 80mm falls behind the Olympus XZ1 which still gives you f2.2 at 85mm. And The Oly can still go to 105mm f2.5, while the EX2 stops at 80mm.

I didn’t find the full EX2 aperture vs focal length data, but I assume that the Olympus lens becomes brighter above ~50mm approx.

7 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 4, 2012)

witch of course means that this will not achieve as much in terms of subject isolation as a xz-1 x10 or g1x witch is what is really exciting about a big aperture anyway

1 upvote
rpm40
By rpm40 (Jul 4, 2012)

With smaller sensor cams, the main benefit of a big aperature is keeping your iso low by letting lots of light to the sensor. Even the best point and shoots for this like the XZ-1 aren't going to give you much control over dof anyway.

The difference between depth of field on a p&s at f2.5 and f2.7 is going to be pretty insignifigant.

10 upvotes
Eigenmeat
By Eigenmeat (Jul 5, 2012)

I take 24mm over 105mm anyday

11 upvotes
Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jul 5, 2012)

Eigenmeat: 24mm is nice, but ideally the camera would start up at 35mm or something more generally useful.

0 upvotes
zxaar
By zxaar (Jul 5, 2012)

"but ideally the camera would start up at 35mm or something more generally useful."------------- This is the reason that camera market is filled with cameras from 28mm to 100mm type range. It is really difficult to find a point and shoot with 24mm and that provide full control over everything. I know this because i have been searching for them.

2 upvotes
zxaar
By zxaar (Jul 5, 2012)

BTW the widest lens i could think in point in shoot is 21mm but that is really point and shoot that does not allow anything manual plus its sensor is not good.

0 upvotes
ozarktroutfisher
By ozarktroutfisher (Jul 5, 2012)

Anonymous Gerbil, I can't even begin to agree with your contention that starting at 35mm would be better. I hate generalizations, but I'll bet 90% of people would be better off with more on the wide end than the long end for PS. How many times have we heard people say to a group, "Get closer; I can't back up anymore"?.

2 upvotes
derfla1949
By derfla1949 (Jul 4, 2012)

For me, the specs read ok.
The major remaining question is the quality of the lens.
For 500+X bucks it had better be very, very good.

3 upvotes
Robert Hoffman
By Robert Hoffman (Jul 4, 2012)

I can assure you that no one makes better lenses than Schneider. I wouldn't worry about it.

7 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

The lens will probably be very good, albeit a bit soft around the edges at the wide end (due to software correction of distortion).

The big issue is whether this camera has a workable user interface. But I have high hopes it's an improvement over the EX1/TL500.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

Samuel Dilworth:

What do you think was wrong with the TL500's user interface?

I've got no problem with the UI on Samsung NX100. (Except that the time, not the date, the photo was taken only shows up once downloaded to a computer, and I'm not sure that's UI anyhow.)

0 upvotes
chris_j_l
By chris_j_l (Jul 4, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW:

Aside from the EX1 being a brilliant camera - one that took some of my favourite photos - the UI was quixotic at best:

Too many settings were not sticky. Remote trigger ON was not a sticky setting through auto shutdown - just one example.
The frankly weird way that to select some settings (eg MF) was to flick the zoom rocker to the right.
Inability to use some settings (eg exposure barcket) with the remote trigger.

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yooperguy
By yooperguy (Jul 7, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW:

My NX100 dowloads show both time and date, not sure what you have set to prevent both.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 8, 2012)

yooperguy:

Right, once downloaded the time stamp is readable, but with my NX100 bodies I can't read the time on the photo file while the SD card is in the camera--date yes, not hour.

0 upvotes
NeilJones
By NeilJones (Jul 4, 2012)

I think Sonys RX100 will be way better than this.

7 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

With good raw extraction software, this Samsung may very well best the Sony RX100 at high ISOs.

The Samsung TL500 was a very good camera, and this is its replacement.

3 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

? Why are you comparing the two; they are two totally different cameras at two totally different prices. Thats like saying 'I think the EOS 650D will be way better than this'!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

chadley_chad:

Um, except the Canon 650D has an even bigger sensor than the RX100.

The comparison of the Samsung EX2 to the Sony RX00 is not silly because Sony chose to put so many pixels in its sensor and the lens quality is about equal though the Samsung's is faster.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

Um, except the RX100 has a much bigger sensor than the EX2 ... think you need to learn a bit about what you're talking about ... the only relevance between the sony and the samsung is they are both pocketable and have fast lenses ... nothing else as their sensors are worlds apart! The closest comparison to the sony should be 4/3rds. The lens on the EX2 will also be superior to the Sony, sensor size apart!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

chadley_chad:

Um, no the Nikon 1 series camera have the sensor that is closest in size to the Sony RX100.

Um, no, one reason for comparing the Sony RX100 with the Samsung EX2 would be pixel density. (Since you didn't bother to consider this point, that would be the number of pixels per square centimeter, and Sony has chosen a problematically high number--a mistake Nikon did not make with the 1 series.)

I think it way too early to claim that the lens in the Samsung is automatically better than that in the Sony RX100--suffice to say they're both likely to be very good lenses.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 5, 2012)

HowaboutRAW

Well if you want to be pedantic! The Nikon and the Sony have the same size sensor so of course its the closest; I think you need to read all the comments again so you get what I'm saying!

You're also talking nonsense; how can you say one reason for comparing the Sony to the EX2 is pixel density when again they're miles apart (WTF are you talking about???)

If its way to early to say which lens will be best (on paper the EX2 should be), then why is everyone saying the Sony as a whole will be better than the EX2. Think about it!!!

We're comparing apples to oranges here people!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 5, 2012)

chadley--

The Nikon 1 series most certainly does NOT use the same Sony sensor as the Sony RX100.

In fact the Nikon 1s use a 10MP sensor by a totally different company. (The name escapes my memory, but it's not Fuji either.)

You made a rather large mistake saying the Sony and the Nikon use the same sensor.

Now the Nikon D3200 and the Sony Nex 7 most certainly do use the same sensor.

Also the pixel density of the Samsung is not way higher than that on the Sony. Going by memory: it's something like 19MP per sqcm for the Sony and 28MP per sqcm for the Samsung, so yes the Sony would be about a third less dense than the Samsung, that's not miles apart.

Samsung likely produced a tasty apple that will stay crisp and fresh for a long time, and Sony is likely shipping a bland, thick skinned orange that will lose taste quickly.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 6, 2012)

HwaboutRAW

I said you should read my posts more carefully and again you've shown you havent! I didnt say they use the same sensor, i said they have the same size sensor which is true ... They both use a 1" sensor. I was also referring to the size (1inch) not the number of pixels. Please read my posts more carefully!

For your benefit, the Nikon sensor is made by Aptima and the D3200 uses in the main a Sony sensor with modifications. As for your final coments ... well, just nonsense really!

Try to read this post more carefully.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 6, 2012)

chadley_chad:

Yep, I agree, I missed the word "sized".

However, there's still your very problematic assertions about pixel density. I take paragraph two from your post above to mean that you've affirmed that you over reached in claims about pixel density.

As for your claims about "nonsense", because of pixel density, back illumination, and lens quality comparing the Sony RX100 to the Samsung EX2 is not apples to oranges.

Though I fully admit that I forgot the name "Aptina", I have yet to see hard-core proof that's the sensor manufacturer for the Nikon 1 series--very well could be.

I've seen claims and web links, but a picture of the sensor out of a Nikon 1 with the name Aptina printed on it, no.

Right and at high ISOs (say 6400) the Sony sensor in the Nex 7, A77, and Nikon D3200, makes for blotchy shadows, and that's a much bigger problem to deal with than basic noise. Given that the Nikon D800 has the same high ISO blotching, I suspect the Sony RX100 does too.

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gusda9
By gusda9 (Jul 14, 2012)

100% right bro

0 upvotes
Dslrjeff
By Dslrjeff (Jul 4, 2012)

youtu.be/zDszlLtP5wk

0 upvotes
iudex
By iudex (Jul 4, 2012)

I am really impressed. A used to own an EX1 and was really satisfied how it worked and what pictures it took. There were some flaws, however: 1. no full HD video, a bit too slow, only 1/1500 s was not sufficient in bright sunny day, f7,1 as well, 72 mm was a bit short and 370 g was a bit heavy. All this has hanged and the good remained (or even got better). That is what I call progress. My Canon S100 with its f2-5,9 is ashamed. :-)

2 upvotes
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 4, 2012)

Well, Canon S100 is still more pocketable.

0 upvotes
iudex
By iudex (Jul 4, 2012)

Definitely, that´s why I have it. Previous EX1 was a bit chunky with 387 g, the S100 is half of the weight. At least the new EX2 was on a diet and is less than 300 g.

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swhs
By swhs (Jul 4, 2012)

What 370g? 387g? Did you two measure or just read specs off of websites?

Mine is an early one so no improvements that might have been made in versions with later serial no., and it weighs 336 g including battery and memory card.

2 upvotes
iudex
By iudex (Jul 4, 2012)

387 g is the weight of EX1 according to DPR database (the first figure was just a guess).

0 upvotes
Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Jul 5, 2012)

iudex.......336g....387g...whatever....it's inconsequential.

0 upvotes
Knight Palm
By Knight Palm (Jul 4, 2012)

Great feature set of this new Samsung camera. If I remember correctly, Samsung recently started with compressed RAW, previously raw was uncompressed and made the camera slow in buffering/handling.

Good to see the progress with BSI-CMOS, this time reaching 1/1.7" size. Previous record was held by Fujifilm at 1/2" size. But how much better will BSI-CMOS in Samsung EX2F be compared to Canon's traditional FSI-CMOS in S100?

Interesting test comparison ahead to watch the sensor technology progress!

3 upvotes
heypek
By heypek (Jul 4, 2012)

X10 has 2/3" means 1/1,5" Sensor means bigger than EX2

but size isn`t all...

1 upvote
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jul 5, 2012)

@haypek

* Fuji HS30exr & F770exr have 1/2" BSI-CMOS (record holder in BSI size until now)
* Fuji X10 & X-S1 have 2/3" FSI-CMOS (the second smallest FSI after Canon S100)

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lajka
By lajka (Jul 4, 2012)

It should read high-indensity magnesium (in-house density).

0 upvotes
Ulfric M Douglas
By Ulfric M Douglas (Jul 4, 2012)

Excuse me but what the heck is this supposed to mean?'
"Housed in a sleek yet durable high-intensity magnesium body"

High-intensity magnesium?
Nobody proof-reads this guff then?

Despite that, love the max aperture.

5 upvotes
ebosch
By ebosch (Jul 5, 2012)

your comment made my day! *laughs

0 upvotes
Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jul 4, 2012)

That's one impressive gadget. I am disappointed that it does not seem to have a 3.5 earphone socket and it cannot play DIVX, MP3, and also no games or diaries, calendar apparently. I think we are ready for an Ipod+compact camera.

0 upvotes
Gunjan Karun
By Gunjan Karun (Jul 4, 2012)

Ah, you are looking for Nokia Pureview 808 :P
It can do all that and make phone calls too :)

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

Gunjan Karun:

Still the Nokia 808 doesn't shoot raw.

Also I suspect Sergey was being ironic above.

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jul 4, 2012)

The Nokia 808 does not play multimedia according to the specs I read, i.e. it does not play DIVX, MP3/4 etc. Does it?

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Jul 5, 2012)

Sergey, according to reviews, the Nokia 808 does play all kinds of multimedia including the formats you mentioned.
BTW, I think a headphone jack should be on every camera that records video. You should not have to audition your stuff to everyone around you just to review it.
And I think that since WiFi is being added to cameras, it would make sense for more in-camera RAW development features to be added as well.

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rjx
By rjx (Jul 4, 2012)

These are exciting times, all these camera manufacturers out-doing each other.

Samsung EX2F with a 1.4 on the wide end and 2.7 on the long end, manual control, RAW, and hot shoe? Sweet!

You got Fuji doing wonderful things, canon with the G1X, Sony with the RX100, Nikon D800, Digital Medium Format is getting cheaper, etc.

These are exciting times indeed.

15 upvotes
RunStrom
By RunStrom (Jul 4, 2012)

A great looking Camera, lets hope the price is not too restrictive.

1 upvote
ogl
By ogl (Jul 4, 2012)

rather interesting...is it with RAW?

0 upvotes
rjx
By rjx (Jul 4, 2012)

Yes

0 upvotes
limlh
By limlh (Jul 4, 2012)

No justification for this kind of camera. A dinosaur the moment it is announced.

2 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

For you maybe. For others it's as interesting as any other high end P&S camera. Not everybody needs the quality that a DSLR provides so one persons dinosaur is another persons stallion.

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rjx
By rjx (Jul 4, 2012)

marike6 is spot on.

5 upvotes
RunStrom
By RunStrom (Jul 4, 2012)

Many dinosaurs are loved just because they are extinct!

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 4, 2012)

It is a dinosaur from a marketing perspective, and it won't exactly sell like hot-cakes... But that doesn't preclude it from being a very good camera. It all depends on the details.

1 upvote
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

Best let Canon know so they can stop production of the S100 ... then Panasonic (LX5) etc etc etc ... not to mention every other camera manufacturer that sells P&S's.

Stupid comment!!!!!

1 upvote
Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Jul 5, 2012)

Yes limlh...go on and tell us what we should like in a camera...
Extinct to you maybe.....

0 upvotes
vlad0
By vlad0 (Jul 4, 2012)

i would take the nokia 808 over this.. if i am going to carry 2 devices, the second one is going to be a dslr, not this.

FF + 808 = almost perfect

2 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 4, 2012)

Sometimes it's as much about the process as the images. When the Nokia 808 has exposure bracketing, a self timer, tripod mount, manual mode, an articulated LCD, and flash hot-shoe and a Schneider lens be sure to let us know.

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rjx
By rjx (Jul 4, 2012)

Again, marike6 is spot on.

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jul 4, 2012)

vlad0: Yeah I'd probably prefer the 808 as well, but I am disappointed that they stop short of offering the software options that they could (i.e. raw and proper manual control).

0 upvotes
Gunjan Karun
By Gunjan Karun (Jul 4, 2012)

marike6: Nokia 808 already has Exposure Bracketing, Self Timer, Tripod Mount (available separately) and xenon flash along with a great Carl Zeiss lens and one of the biggest sensors ever seen on any compact camera ever. I have been using it for sometime now and it is not that bad a camera.

Anonymous Gerbil: I agree, if they gave raw and manual exposure control, this would be a perfect compact camera to carry.

5 upvotes
zxaar
By zxaar (Jul 4, 2012)

Between this and nokia 808 i would go with this simply because nokia 808 does not have 24mm lens, fast lens is another story altogether. I have been waiting for good 24mm camera for long time.

3 upvotes
zoranT
By zoranT (Jul 4, 2012)

It does have a 25mm lens.

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zxaar
By zxaar (Jul 4, 2012)

Nokia 808 PureView lens and sensor specifications

Carl Zeiss Optics
Focal length: 8.02mm
35mm equivalent focal length: 26mm, 16:9 |
28mm, 4:3
F-number: f/2.4
Focus range: 15cm – Infinity (throughout the zoom range)
Construction:
· 5 elements, 1 group.All lens surfaces are aspherical
· One high-index, low-dispersion glass mould lens
· Mechanical shutter with neutral density filter
Optical format: 1/1.2”
Total number of pixels: 7728 x 5368
Pixel Size: 1.4 microns

-----------
So no 25mm lens on nokia.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 4, 2012)

And no raw shooting on the Nokia 808.

If Nokia wants people to be serious about that camera phone, then Nokia and its partners need to release the specs and code for the sensor and camera systems in the 808, so other parties can develop really good raw extraction software for those raw files.

And as others have pointed out: A 1.4 lens is faster than a 2.4 lens.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 4, 2012)

Comparing a mobile camera (even if it is an 808) to something like the EX2 is just a stupid statement ... and probably not worth my time explaining why (if you're daft enough to post the comment in the first place!)

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geoson
By geoson (Jul 4, 2012)

I just used my TL500 as a back up at a trolley museum in CT. This is a good upgrade for me. I had good results with the 1.17 sensor. I'm looking forward to the tests. Sony had me interested except for the lack of a hotshoe and the slowness at the tele end.

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