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Canon EOS M: hands-on preview of Canon's first mirrorless EOS

By dpreview staff on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:00 GMT

Canon has, as expected, announced the EOS M - its first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i, the EOS M is the first model to use a new, smaller 'EF-M' lens mount. It is launched alongside two EF-M lenses that use STM stepper motors optimized for use with the camera's hybrid AF system. As we've seen before in the mirrorless sector, the EOS M is predominantly aimed at the point-and-shoot upgrader market looking for DSLR quality and makes greater use of a 650D-style touch-screen interface. We've been using the EOS M for a little while and have prepared a preview, looking in more detail at Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera and how it handles.

UPDATE. We've recently updated this preview with our own images of the camera, having initially used those provided by Canon. We've also added more information about the camera and screenshots of its touch interface, so if you read our initial preview shortly after publication it's worth having another look. 

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Press Release:

DSLR-quality images at your fingertips: Canon launches the small and simple EOS M

London, UK, 23 July 2012 – Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The company’s first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions – from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canon’s renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite – the Speedlite 90EX – providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

The quality of a Canon DSLR

Print your favourite moments in poster-size or crop your image for maximum impact – whether shooting the atmosphere of your favourite club or the intricate stitching of the latest must-have handbag – thanks to the EOS M’s high-resolution, 18 megapixel APS-C hybrid CMOS sensor. The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact.

With the inclusion of Canon’s DIGIC 5 processor, colours ‘pop’ and skin tones are beautifully natural, whilst a super-fast shutter allows you to capture split-second action. The atmosphere of evening shoots and challenging night-time scenes are also easily recorded in stunning detail thanks to the EOS M’s sensitive native ISO range of 100- 12,800 (extendable to 25,600).

For pin-sharp shots and professional-looking footage, this new design features a Hybrid AF System that supports super-fast, accurate AF when shooting stills and movies – allowing you to record any moment with confidence.

Shoot what you see and easily express your creative vision

Every aspect of the EOS M has been designed to make it simple to capture beautiful, creative, high-quality images. From the very first swipe across the bright, high- resolution, 7.7cm (3.0”), Clear View LCD II Touch screen, the EOS M gives you as much or as little control over your photos as desired. Simply select different shooting modes and settings via the on-screen icons, or let Scene Intelligent Auto adjust the camera settings according to the subject and shooting conditions, leaving you free to focus on composition and selecting the perfect moment to hit the shutter release button.

EOS M users can shoot with the confidence that comes from having the world's most comprehensive photographic system behind them. Whether you want to capture every detail of a close-up or zoom in to frame a subject in the far distance, any one of Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses can be connected via the new

Mount Adapter EF-EOS M for photographic flexibility.

With one of Canon’s Speedlite flash units, you can also explore creative lighting techniques to add an extra level of interest to your shots. Alternatively, create unique images with a range of Creative Filters like Toy Camera effect, Grainy B&W or even a filter that mimics the distortion of a fish-eye lens. The filters can be applied before the shot is captured, with the result previewed in Live View, allowing you to experiment with different effects before selecting the perfect treatment for your final image.

Turn film-maker with EOS Movie and Video Snapshot

When a moment calls for more than a still image, the EOS M lets you switch easily to Full HD video with stereo sound for superb results. Video Snapshot mode also helps family and friends avoid long home movie viewing sessions, guiding you to create exciting movies in-camera, with a professionally edited feel.

Extending the EOS System with dedicated accessories

In addition to compatibility with Canon’s existing EF lenses1, accessories and Speedlites, the EOS M launches with its own bespoke range of compact accessories. Two new EF-M lenses offer portability and high performance when using the new model – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom and the
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake lens. Both feature new Stepper Motor technology for exceptionally smooth AF performance, as well as precision Canon optics, while their compact designs offer the perfect form-factor to complement the camera’s pocket-sized body.

Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects.

EOS M – key features

  •  The quality of a digital SLR in a compact body

  •  Scene Intelligent Auto

  •  Be versatile with interchangeable lenses

  •  Create out-of-focus backgrounds for high impact

  •  Easy-to-use touch-screen

  •  Atmospheric photos in low light

  •  Full-HD video with Video Snapshot Mode

1 Via Mount Adaptor EF-EOS M

Canon EOS M specifications

Price
MSRP$799.99 with 22mm lens, €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens, €1049/£949 with 18-55mm + 22mm lenses, €979/£879 with 22mm lens + EF adapter
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB,Adobe RGB
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points31
Lens mountCanon EF-M
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night
  • HDR Backlight Control mode
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer
Continuous drive4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E12 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)230
Weight (inc. batteries)298 g (0.66 lb / 10.51 oz)
Dimensions109 x 66 x 32 mm (4.29 x 2.6 x 1.26)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

Top-down view of the Canon EOS-M with 22mm F2.0 'pancake' prime lens.

Rear view of the Canon EOS-M (Silver)
Canon EOS-M with Speedlite EX-90 (included with the camera in most markets) Canon EOS-M shown wih EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens, using optional EF-EOS M mount adapter
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I own it
63
I want it
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Comments

Total comments: 1229
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Alexander Shp
By Alexander Shp (Jul 23, 2012)

Disappointment...

Why?
Because we have here:
1.Phase Detect = not bad;
2.Price = not good;
3.Basically nothing more or less interesting...

0 upvotes
Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jul 23, 2012)

except that at the moment PDAF isn't really working, apparently.

2 upvotes
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Jul 23, 2012)

You left out very few external controls.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Jul 23, 2012)

ENTRY CONSUMER model... what is so hard to understand ??

are the complainers are all braindead?

ambitious photographers will wait for the PRO model.
honest ...get a life you clowns.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
9 upvotes
alyiwang
By alyiwang (Jul 23, 2012)

Then why it doesn't have an entry level mirrorless price!

4 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (Jul 23, 2012)

Because it says CANON on it.

3 upvotes
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

So the "Pro" model with cost more?

0 upvotes
Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (Jul 23, 2012)

Yes it will. But when it will, they will make sure that it will "smoke" (I've learned this on this forum) any NEX (or NEX-like) around. Think: Canon acts like the Russian army - first they take a (serious) beating (remember the Nikon D3 story?), and then, eventually in 1-2 years, they are back in the counteroffensive with an armada of cameras, the best gear around (that will eventually "smoke" ANY competition - please have a look on the new generation, it's not a single camera, but a line of cameras designed to wipe out the "bad guys"). Then, they get lazy and take another beating and so on... Cheers! :)

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Name another Entry Consumer model that has a fixed focal length 35mm equivalent lens?

How about another Entry Consumer model that has a standard zoom that costs $300? Does Leica make an entry consumer model?

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

So $800 for this or $1200 for the Fuji X100... hmm... $400 is just on the cusp of a reasonable premium for a VF and manual controls. Wish there were more manual controls on this.

1 upvote
intruder61
By intruder61 (Jul 23, 2012)

the X100 is now $800.....forget the canon

3 upvotes
JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

oh... jeez. yeah that makes the decision even harder. of course with the X100 you're stuck with one lens. but I'd never want to use anything but the pancake (pancakes?) with the Canon, so...

0 upvotes
Hentaiboy
By Hentaiboy (Jul 23, 2012)

From PC World preview:

"During our brief hands-on with a pre-production model, what was immediately noticeable about the EOS M is just how quickly and effortlessly it can focus. It was set so that we didn't even have to press the shutter button halfway down; every time the camera was pointed to a near object from a far object, the focus changed almost immediately and it was spot-on accurate. With the new 18-55mm kit lens, accurate focusing can be made from a distance of 25cm away; with the 22mm pancake lens, focusing can be from as close as 15cm".

4 upvotes
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

An ability they should've incorporated into the T4i.

0 upvotes
Oveerik
By Oveerik (Jul 23, 2012)

I can't find anything about aspect ratio 3:2 - 4:3 or what?

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

It's APS-C, so it's 3:2

2 upvotes
JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

Seriously who buys red cameras? I have never seen one in the wild.

1 upvote
Cane
By Cane (Jul 23, 2012)

I have a red Pentax K-r. Way better than a boring old black camera that everyone else on planet earth has. I don't shoot weird strangers on the street or in 3rd world countries, so I don't need to be conspicuous. What are you, like 70 years old?

Sheeple.

0 upvotes
jboyer
By jboyer (Jul 23, 2012)

My wife's feelings are now deeply hurt!

0 upvotes
David Hurt
By David Hurt (Jul 23, 2012)

Some Alabama Football fans somewhere will probably buy the Red one

0 upvotes
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

"Sheeple" Lol

0 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 23, 2012)

It appears this camera is a first shot in a competition with Sony NEX. If that is the aim I think it is a good start. I'm sure a viewfinder isn't far behind. That is almost essential. But the heart of the matter is the sensor, and I don't know when or if Canon will catch up there.
Lens adapters are a nice novelty, but the fun wears off after a while, and the native lenses have to be the attraction. I think this 22mm is a great start and a great kit lens for many people, although moms and dads will want the zoom. And there we are with a package as large as a NEX, which leads one to wonder why they didn't bring a DSLR instead. These are big camera/lens combos.

1 upvote
AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jul 25, 2012)

How about Samsung NX? It also uses APS-C Sized sensor.

0 upvotes
Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jul 23, 2012)

This is the camera what we need !
Simple, small, light weight and able to use the whole range of Canon lenses.
An excellent choice for business travel.
I will take this one instead of NEX or other cameras with smaller sensor.

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Robertach
By Robertach (Jul 23, 2012)

NEX have the same sensor and the NEX-7 has an excellent EVF so I plan to stick with Sony and let my Canon 60D and 3 lenses sit idle. It is so much easier to carry an NEX around and get equal if not better images. Too bad Canon was so slow to release this camera

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (Jul 23, 2012)

I really don't get why anyone would want to put Canon dslr lenses on this or Sony A mount lenses on a Nex for that matter. These lenses are large and require an adapter - which is more to carry. Completely defeats the object in my opinion.

I would go further and say both the Canon and the Nex have sensors that are too big. This means once you move away from the pancake lens and the kit zoom the lenses are almost the same size as dslr lenses.

While Nikon probably went too far the other way with 1 series I think M43 has it right. You can now get very good quality shots from M43 and both the bodies AND the lenses are small.

I own a Sony A77 and if I were in the marker for a second lightweight system the last thing that would influence me is the ability to put my A mount glass on the camera.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 23, 2012)

@Dave Oddie - Yr "second lightweight system" would involve carrying a not so lightweight second set of lens systems? Er, yeah right, like that makes sense?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 23, 2012)

What is the point of small and light camera which takes big and heavy EF-S lenses? Try to hang it around your neck, almost any EF-S lens will pull it nose-down (not to mention that the total size&weight of the camera+adapter+lens will not be much smaller than a rebel with the same lens).
Pro FF DSLRs+EF/FX lenses are balanced. APS-C DSLRs+EF-S lenses are balanced. m43 mirrorless are balanced. Mirrorless APS-C are not.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon blew it with no articulating lcd.

They could have grabbed a large part of the market.

Also the 22 mm kit lens is not for newbies.

They will not be satisfied with 33 mm equiv fixed outlook on things.

This prime will make enthusiasts happy but the body it is attached to is quite simple ( as Canon puts in their press release ).

Kudos to Canon for serving photographer's needs with the APS-C sensor size , not worrying about cutting into DSLR sales as Nikon did with the V1.

I won't buy it but it is good news for all of us photographers.

1 upvote
JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

It's 35mm, and yes they will. The iPhone is 35mm, as were countless film point-n-shoots in the old days.

1 upvote
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 23, 2012)

I think Nikon's primary concern was size. This new Canon with a zoom attached is every bit as large as a NEX, and for many that is too large. For those willing to carry such a load for a camera that doesn't have a fully capable AF system like the V1, the NEX probably has the superior sensor. Personally, I would rather carry a DSLR than something as large as these cameras with all their limitations.

4 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 23, 2012)

It is actually heavier than NEX-C3.

0 upvotes
Oveerik
By Oveerik (Jul 23, 2012)

This seems to be the perfect upgrade to my beloved G9 that died 14 days ago!

1 upvote
Khun_K
By Khun_K (Jul 23, 2012)

Something Canon could have done better, but it is still a nice companion camera nonetheless.

0 upvotes
FunGun
By FunGun (Jul 23, 2012)

I was looking forward to this camera to get disappointed. :(
It looks ok to me, but there are couple of things I don't like about this camera.
1) there is no viewfinder. - Why can't they put a viewfinder like the one in Nikon V1. That Nikon is interesting but it's image sensor isn't what I want. I'd rather have a smaller screen, but have a viewfinder.
2) AF is too slow. Olympus, Panasonic and Sony are ahead.
3) touch screen? - iPhone? - no thanks, give me a a wheel!

0 upvotes
herebefore
By herebefore (Jul 23, 2012)

Just another new camera with no VF of any kind.

Designed for those that can see an LCD screen close to the face in the bright sun.

In other words, a camera designed for the clueless, and near clueless.

Comment edited 27 seconds after posting
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Joseph S Wisniewski
By Joseph S Wisniewski (Jul 23, 2012)

So, you ordered one in each color?

2 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Shooting potential with a large bright screen wins out every time against using a EVF/VF. I'm using my VF less and less with my Pro DSLR and I've been selling more images as I've increased my angle of view potential. You better catch up or get left behind...

1 upvote
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

What's an "angle of view potential"?

1 upvote
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Try shooting with no VF at an airshow...

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momonyc
By momonyc (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon's version of the panasonic gf3/5...with a larger sensor?...I'm sure it will make some people very happy...for me, wish it had more manual control, buttons, dials, fn buttons, etc...wish it had swivel lcd like their g1x...actually, wish it was a version of the g1x with interchangeable lenses...I'd have really considered buying that...will have to pass on this eos-m, wait to see what others, like nikon do...

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
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Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

You did the nail on the head. Had this camera been the G1X with interchangeable lenses, you have VALUE. But it relatively inexpensive to manufacture it with what is essentially an ELF/IXUS body.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Jul 23, 2012)

There is a serious market segment for EOS-M. This camera is for those who would not buy - even under the greatest pressure, never - a Sony camera (NEX). For those who hate the Nikon 1 system. For those who ignore Samsung NX. For the P K-1 haters.

The only problem: this segment has very high expectations, though may also have even higher loyalty. As it is always the case in my view: the only real measure of success is sales figures.

This is a good run of the mill camera. Too late, I invested in NEX a year ago.

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Dimitris Servis
By Dimitris Servis (Jul 23, 2012)

Correction: there is a hater market segment for EOS-M ;-)

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Picturenaut
By Picturenaut (Jul 23, 2012)

Yeah I am happy too, that Canon did not make a (nice) toy like Nikon 1 and goes for APS sensors. I was considering a NEX, too, because I do not want always take a bulky DSLR with me, plus an adapter for my Canon mount glass. But I hate all this menu driven approach if I just want to shoot with manual control

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tinternaut
By tinternaut (Jul 23, 2012)

This is fairly typical of a new entrant to the CSC market. A little under specified (wot no EVF option), a little overpriced but otherwise solid. There's not much point coming out fighting when you've only got two native lenses to sell. In the near term, it should sell reasonably well to existing Canon users who want a second, smaller camera with an imaging system they don't have to make sense of.

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Picturenaut
By Picturenaut (Jul 23, 2012)

Smatty, only in case your post is a reply to my post. I said I'd like to see Canon "augment" this series by a true digital rangefinder, its my personal wish. I'd dream to have a body for my Canon and Zeiss glass that can be used like a Leica in the street. Fuji did something exciting in that way with its X-Pro1, in particular with its hybrid optical/EVF viewfinder that combines both advantages. But they messed manual focusing with that camera. I tried it in a shop, its horrible, in particular if you ever had the chance to try a Leica... I think Canon could do a much better job than Fuji.

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smatty
By smatty (Jul 23, 2012)

I was not replying to your comment. I was only puzzled by the "Body Type" description. Don't even know if this is a Canon or dpreview claim, but it should be changed!

I was also expecting more from Canon than this. An AE1 style mirrorless with regular EF lens mount would have been great. They could have expanded on the pancacke style lenses beyond the excellent 40mm while we would have had the chance to use our current lenses.

Why not start with a high end model to create desire and add a lower end model (like the EOS M) later?

I have tried a Leica M9 and still use film rangefinder and 6x6 medium format (Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Mamiya) analog cameras. So I know what good focus feels like.

I've also owned the X-Pro 1 for 4 month and use some manual lenses on it. The EVF is not perfect, but MF has improved over the X100.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Jul 23, 2012)

Skipping this one
Waiting for the AE-D along with a trade-in programme for existing AE-1 owners.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 23, 2012)

Never has there been so many camera makes and models...

...and they all start to look the same.

Toys.

.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Just like cars - and we all know that it is now 10 years since all stopped buying cars. Same will happen to cameras. What are they thinking of?

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Picturenaut
By Picturenaut (Jul 23, 2012)

I really appreciate that Canon made this looong awaited leap into the mirrorless market finally. Now I hope that they will augment its new series soon by a true rangefinder given they call it "M" like Leica's classic system. It should provide more hands-on control of main settings like a real camera. EOS-M looks like a menue driven thing like a NEX. I hate scrolling through menus when I want to shoot with manual control.

1/4000 s and 4fps is not breathtaking but would be okay for me, if I want real punch I'd take one of my DSLRs anyway. Just talking "M": a Leica M9 does only 1/4000 s and 2 fps... but I've seen many great street pics made with it.

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Robertach
By Robertach (Jul 23, 2012)

Sorry, the NEX-7 is not menu driven but has three very convenient thumb wheels to do everything manually if you wish, fully programmable. Try one first before making an incorrect assumption.

1 upvote
smatty
By smatty (Jul 23, 2012)

"Rangefinder-style mirrorless"? How can not even having an EVF be Rangefinder-style???

"Compact Consumer-style mirrorless" (with interchangable lenses) would have described it more precisely.

And I'm not trying to put this camera down! But it has very little in common with a "Rangefinder-style" camera except that it has no mirror...

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Robert Gordon Wallace
By Robert Gordon Wallace (Jul 23, 2012)

Totally agree what is the point without an EVF.
I hate using my wife's compact camera in bright sunlight because of the lack of viewfinder.,
Is there provision for an "add on" EVF like some of the Panasonic compact cameras with interchangeable lenses?

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balios
By balios (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree about the EVF, however the target market of this camera (point and shoot upgraders looking for a non-threatening, easy-to-use camera) won't care.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (Jul 23, 2012)

While lack of EVF rules it out for me, I can see for the intended market most won't care. I have bought an Oympus OM-D and am very happy, but maybe in a few years Canon can release a higher end model catering to those wanting a companion for their DSLR's rather than those moving up from a P&S.

The shame is that I thought the G1X was the model for those moving up from a P&S and this should sit well above the G1X.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

But what intended market will appreciate a 35mm equivalent f/2.0?

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AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jul 25, 2012)

I'm okay with the exclusion of the VF for a P&S(not that I would buy one), but just don't call it "rangefinder-style". That's misleading.

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migus
By migus (Jul 23, 2012)

Unlike Nikon's 1 eschewing the SLC competition, this EOS-M seems a solid "metoo" corporate answer to NEX and NX. Solid hopefully imply the same IQ as Canon's APS-C dSLRs, and that's not bad.

Size: Smallish enough for SLC. With the 22mm totals 400gr. (the 18-55 zoom is only 15gr. more?), or 150gr. less than the G1X - which will hopefully shrink down 50% to compete the RX100.

Excitement and innovation? Apparently not from Canon anymore...

Comment edited 14 minutes after posting
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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Jul 23, 2012)

Overall I like it. Most of all - the 22mm pancake.

Crossing fingers that both the camera and lens hold up against the competition.

P.S. DPR, while we are on topic of the small mirrorless: is the Panasonic GF5 review in pipe-line? It has reportedly new 12MP sensor.The studio shots for the IQ comparison widget would be greatly appreciated.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

The lens versus body seems schizophrenic to me - a fixed focal length enthusiast lens combined with a P&S no controls no VF manual body doesn't seem to target any market.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Jul 23, 2012)

@NetMage, that was about my opinion as well.

But for the autumn I want to have a small, always with me camera with versatile prime. (Tried it last year with my Oly E620 DSLR + 1.4/25mm - relatively small package. It was mostly fine, except still large-ish to have it constantly with me or even in the bag.)

At the moment the best fitting option I have found is the Panny GF5 + 1.7/20mm (with potential step up later to GH3 or G5). I keep an eye on Sammy (NX210/NX20 + 20mm + 30mm) too, but it is hard to find an in-depth review and I know personally not a single NX owner. Bummer.

Now. A new system which has at launch a pancake fitting the bill?... From an established camera manufacturer? Yes, please!

0 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

The size of the EOS-M is amazingly small, but I think I prefer my LX5 with EVF or even a Nikon V1 when I want a tiny camera.

My always with me camera now is my iPhone.

0 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

As expected the negative ones have again raised their head from the sludge to slag off another new Camera as they believe they know so much about it. This is the camera that Canon had to make well. They've done that as they at least understand the camera world, more than many of the commentators here. A small designed camera that offers high IQ with new "innovative" features. Now Anyone can capture good image's and video and not have to carry a DSLR all this time. Well done Canon for understanding what the market needed right now and not making something that uses old technology that many of the commentators on here seem to request. EVF's & built in flalsh are things of the passed and the sooner so called Pro-Sumers realize that the better for photography moving forward. I and I know many of people who love capturing high IQ and video understand what the man on the street wants and this will cover a vast market out there.

Now I'll await the onslaught from the unwashed on DP Review.

6 upvotes
Richt2000
By Richt2000 (Jul 23, 2012)

If you want super fast AF you go m43
If you want the best IQ you go NEX or XPro1
Give me one reason to buy this other than EF lens autofocus compatibility?

6 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

IQ

1 upvote
Robert Gordon Wallace
By Robert Gordon Wallace (Jul 23, 2012)

Using a view finder is not "passe" but essential in bright sunlight. I would not buy a camera without a viewfinder optical or electronic.

3 upvotes
RedValley
By RedValley (Jul 23, 2012)

"Now Anyone can capture good image's and video and not have to carry a DSLR all this time"
Correct. Wait a minute, it's 2010, right?...

3 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Hi Robert. I've reduced my VF use as I capture more and have a higher hit rate than ever before. As for bright sunlight. You can see these screens in the brightest light and capture a larger array of shot's It's time to move forward and be more versatile with photography.

0 upvotes
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Jul 23, 2012)

Hey BeanyPic, speaking as a happy D5000 user I love using live view for getting shots from different angles (especially waist level) but optical viewfinders are superior 95% of the time, and compared with a fixed LCD 99% of the time. (if I had a D5100 or 60D with better tilt options I might reduce 95% to 90%.)

I doubt anyone reading depreview is unaware of the trade offs, no matter how many times you post this opinion.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 23, 2012)

@By BeanyPic (2 hours ago) - "IQ"
For IQ you go with NEX. Canon uses quite old sensor which got outmatched by Sony's NEX around year ago. Alternative would be OM-D (although it's not portable).

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Plaskek maybe for in your opinion it did. But I'd rather chop my hands off than use a Sony camera in any way. IQ is not what I like. But hey, enjoy yourself. Each to their own I say

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Cheers Tonio
I can only feedback on my workflow. It works for me and I'll stick with it.

Thanks!!

0 upvotes
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

What "new innovative" features? My 650D will do everything this does plus it has an articulating screen. It also has one of those outdated built-in flash thingys so I don't have to carry around an accessory.

1 upvote
Richt2000
By Richt2000 (Jul 23, 2012)

OMG just watched the Tech Radar and an italian website preview on YouTube. The focus speed is very slow and hunty. Makes a x100 or E-P1 look fast!

PASS...

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7 upvotes
raylob
By raylob (Jul 23, 2012)

Pentax K-01 owners (myself included) will know that they have made the right choice and be smug!!

3 upvotes
threeOh
By threeOh (Jul 23, 2012)

An observation: the fanboys seldom initiate a comment, all they do is respond. A very defensive posture. My take, a lot of us were looking forward to this camera as an alternative to the NEX 7 and Fuji xp1. Neither is perfect but Canon has eliminated itself from any consideration.

12 upvotes
julieng
By julieng (Jul 23, 2012)

Sony did not start right away with the NEX 7.
I would not call that new Canon mount death on birth right away.

3 upvotes
Chuck Fralick
By Chuck Fralick (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree with kev777zero. Gosh the forum has gotten so techno-babble cynical about everything. This camera has the potential (emphasis on potential) to have DSLR IQ in a small, light package with an f2 pancake lens. So if you're stepping up from a P&S and don't want the bloated hardware a DSLR entails, this looks appealing. Throw in that it's compatible with some very good EOS lenses and it has potential. I'm not a mirrorless guy (like OVFs) but if I was in the market for one I'd certainly consider this. I'll bet it sells well contrary to all the marketing genius opinions. If it's IQ is good and there are no weird, dysfunctional issues, what's not to like?

5 upvotes
Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

I don't think the P&S crowd looking to upgrade is going to be interested in exchanging an optical zoom for an extra 4MP.

2 upvotes
FeedMe
By FeedMe (Jul 23, 2012)

Pointless camera..

Mirrorless but only capable of 4fps?? and 1/4000 sec max shutter?

It's an obvious marketing ploy - they'll see how it sells then bring out the proper version with 12 fps and 1/8000 or 1/12000 shutter speed.

People should vote with their wallets and tell these cynical marketing morons to bring out proper worthwhile cameras!

9 upvotes
Kissel
By Kissel (Jul 23, 2012)

I personally expect EOS M to be a very sofisticated system, since Canon obviously had enough time to analyse the existing systems on the market and is expected to come up with something that copes with the issues other systems seem to struggle with. Well, that, of course, is a way too positive expectation. We'll see how it turns out. At least it looks and sounds more promising than Nikon's mirrorless effort.
It's quite obvious what to expect from the sensor, since it's already present in a 650d DSLR, so the IQ will be pretty good. What concerns me the most, is an AF perfomance, metering and usability, so I am looking forward to a detailed test by dpreview.

2 upvotes
Baxter Bad
By Baxter Bad (Jul 23, 2012)

M is for meh.

23 upvotes
kev777zero
By kev777zero (Jul 23, 2012)

as a sony NEX user I'm quite surprised at the negative response from dpreview users. Yes it's not the most innovative invention ever in the camera industry, but it ticks most boxes for me, esp. that 22mm prime & hybrid AF at least on paper. much smaller size than my rather large Zeiss 24mm lens + NEX-7 combo, & MUCH cheaper (although this is sort of an apple to oranges comparison).

but for those who think small built in flashes are crap, you must have never used the manually tilt-able built in flashes on NEX-7 or F3! It'll do just as good of a job as the big flash guns unless you're trying to light up a church!

6 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, so now those who waited for Canon mirrorless system know that they should have bought NEX instead.

Pity - huge chance wasted. NEX got by far more features, better bodies, real system with selection of lenses, bodies from very entry level to professional and selection of accessories. Canon got what? 2 lenses 1 body and 1 dedicated flash. Back in the day years ago NEX STARTED with wider selection and more adult system - now it's completely different league, especially because Sony's bayonet is open so anyone can build fully compatible lenses unlike in EOS-M.

I also thought that Canon will become a real competition to NEX and m4/3 but so far it only become a danger to Nikon 1 which was fail ever since release (big bodies, high price, no accessories, and tiny, worthless sensor that you can find in compact point and shoot instead of bothering with mirrorless system) and ever since haven't changed at all (no new lenses, no new bodies, seems to be close to well-deserved death).

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Jay Dark
By Jay Dark (Jul 23, 2012)

I would actually say Nikon 1 positioned itself far better in the mirrorless segment. Unique features, more user friendly and smaller lenses compared to DSLR.

9 upvotes
bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Jul 23, 2012)

The NEX lens selection is terrible. These two lens Canon is launching with are more appropriate to the form factor. Sony has no good pancake, they have that weird 16mm F2.8, this is way more functional.

Considering how long NEX has been out I think their lens selection is truly bad, samsung even has a better lens lineup for their system.

This camera is compatible with the Canon EF lens catalogue, the most mature and fully featured optical system on the planet. Lens are the one thing Canon dominates everyone else on, i don't know how you can say how that's a negative.

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Lupti
By Lupti (Jul 23, 2012)

Erm, no hard feelings, but I don´t think that NEX can be taken as shining example compared to the Canon system. What lens selection are you talking about, at the moment there are only a mediocre 18-55mm, the overpriced and -sized(and IQ-wise not better than 18-55mm) 18-200mm, 55-200mm, average pancake lens, some so-so 3rd party lenses, nothing I would call a big lens selection. But Sony deciced to make a new mount which is nearyl identical to the old KoMi/Alpha mount but then different.
Now Canon made the same mistake. With a normal EF mount the camera would be much better. Now they offer a crippled adapter solution...

Most buyers of these cameras don´t buy additional lenses. I say most of them wouldn´t even notice if the lenses were glued to the cameras...lol.

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Reemul
By Reemul (Jul 23, 2012)

The canon looks fine and I'm sure that iq will be great however the Nex is starting to get some lense choices just not that killer pancake lens.

Sony 50mm
Sony 16mm
Sony 18-55mm
Sony 18-200mm
Sony 55-210mm
Sony 30mm Macro
Tamron 18-200mm
Sigma 19mm
Sigma 30mm
Cz 24mm

You can add an adapter that supports all A mount and PDF which gets so much stick yet I see Canon doing exactly the same thing and having the same size issues the Nex gets so much stick over.

It seems we are too quick to slag off new products or defend new products by slagging off other products rather than just taking each product as they are.

Also personally these products in the main aren't aimed at photographers who browse and regularly read these types of forums, sure some people will change to them or by a second one but a large portion of the buyer is the upgrades.
All in all you have a camera with similar specs and issues to the Nex 3/5 but that supports Canon lenses with an adapter.

4 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 23, 2012)

Uh, the Canon 18-55 is almost identical in size to the Sony SEL 18-55.
Sony has a 24mm F1.8 CZ prime and an excellent 50mm (stabilized!) F1.8 aswell. The mount is nothing like the Minolta mount either.

The Canon is about as "compatible" with regular EF glass as a NEX is "compatible" with the near 400 different A mount lenses.
As in, compatible only when using an extra adapter (and at least the NEX will allow FAST phase detection AF with that bulky adapter).

Factfree camera talks, a popular sports.

4 upvotes
George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Jul 23, 2012)

Small ...cool and simple new entry from the ever green and most trusted camera brand in the World. Where the EOS M shines, though, is in backward lens compatibility with this clever EF-EOS-M adapter. Fantastic little backup tool!

3 upvotes
ChrisPee
By ChrisPee (Jul 23, 2012)

Most trusted camera brand in the world? Be serious!

3 upvotes
Nuno Souto
By Nuno Souto (Jul 23, 2012)

Body: "Rangefinder-style, mirrorless"?
dpreview has reached a new low in inaccuracy of descriptions...

"rangefinder" implies the existence of - wait for it - a "finder"!
Exactly where is the finder in this camera, range or otherwise?
Might as well have delivered another p&s, Canon.
Ah yes - and of course, no in-body stabilisation.

Oh-hum... Back to the serious mirrorless cameras.

8 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

There's this large screen on the back... It shows what you're about to take a picture of... What do they call it?

0 upvotes
AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jul 25, 2012)

"What do they call it?"

LiveView?

I would rather call this a "point-and-shot-style mirrorless"

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 23, 2012)

was hoping for something more like micro 4/3rds. its hard to see why youd choose this over a nex. a body clearly designed for first timers. a system thats only appeal over its competitor is that you can use existing lenses

i am befuddled as to what the point is.

I am waiting for that small system camera that suits me. still not there yet

3 upvotes
stelioskritikakis
By stelioskritikakis (Jul 23, 2012)

This one stands between nikons v1 and sony nex mirrorless cameras.

Its not bad for a mirrorless camera, but not so revolutionary..
it might sell only to canon photographers, which allready have enough equipment and need a second body.
However the m to ef converter is very expensive. I'd prefer a 600D for photography rather this mirrorless crap.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jul 23, 2012)

All the months, years of waiting.

All of the benefit of not being first, and being able to watch and learn as your competitors go to market before you do.

And then, after all this, the end result is utterly boring and utterly predictable.

There is no innovation here.

Very disappointing. Canon have become very, very conservative and in the long term I think this will hurt them.

37 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Hmmmm ... I dont understand this kind of reaction. Yes ... it looks like a camera. And yes ... it looks like other mirror less cameras. Whats wrong with that? Isnt it a camera you want?

6 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

When you use the word innovation, what do you mean? Everyones quick enough to use it, but no one can explain what they mean. I'm lost with all these comments. Lots of commentators complain about DP Review. I'd complain about the commentators now.

1 upvote
DioCanon
By DioCanon (Jul 23, 2012)

maybe topstuffed wanted a camera that didnt look like a camera and more like a skturp....

2 upvotes
Mal_In_Oz
By Mal_In_Oz (Jul 23, 2012)

Maybe topstuff was thinking a new manual focus assist like the focus peaking on the Sony, or the auto-zoom on the Panasonic and Olympus cameras.

Or perhaps it could have been a better IBIS like the Olympus EM5, or a 0.5x converter, or a new viewfinder tech like the Fuji that bettered what was already out there.

Maybe a new battery system, flash system, grip system (EM5) or super compact collapsible lens (Panasonic).

What about an API to allow third parties to develop software for it, or a remote control system (Samsung).

How about going old tech, and put the aperture control back onto the lens or a unique solution to manual focus like the Olympus 12mm.

There are many ways that Canon could have innovated if they thought the customer deserved it. At least its small, which should make the G1X owners wonder what they just bought...

21 upvotes
aricav05
By aricav05 (Jul 23, 2012)

Lol most people probably use innovate as a synonym for "new".

In truth it IS a synonym for new but I think innovation goes beyond just new things.

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Lupti
By Lupti (Jul 23, 2012)

You´re right, the camera has nothing to offer the competition doesn´t. It will have the same mediocre movie mode as the Rebel line, no mic-input, slow continous shooting, so I don´t see a reason to pick it up over NEX or even m4/3. Price is ways too high for what´s offered. Canon fails.

4 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Hi Mal_in_Oz
Great come back. Have you looked at the accessories that Canon have innovated over the last 25 years? This camera will take so many of the accessories that Pros use and can now attach to a consumer camera. Many of the other brands a follower of spec and tech that older imaging companies have had for years.
But as I said, Good come back...

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Blondesailor
By Blondesailor (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon has essentially only one APS-C sensor, the ageing 18mp used, so they can only do a single model, one that sits handily between the Nex-5 and Nex-7. Canon is cutting development cost to a minimum here. They're in business to make money and this is how to do it. The touchscreen, however, is an innovation and will be loved by many.

0 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

The new 18MP sensor has Hybrid AF. Also this sensor was way before it's time. Why mess with perfection :)

0 upvotes
howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

This G1 X owner knows exactly what he bought and will happily use it until it turns to dust. People who reduce a camera system down to one single attribute or feature should stick with a camera systems designed for fools easily taken in by cool new gimmicks that serve no function other than to make your other hipster friends think you've discovered something that the stiffs are too shortsighted to appreciate.
Reminds me of my visit to the Chihuly glass house in Seattle where a guy was using a Sony camera to take about fifty shots to produce an in-camera panorama. While he was impressing his uninitiated hipster friends I got the same shot in one click with my 10-22 and 7D combo. Much less impressive to people who have no idea what's going on. Bells and whistles will always impress people who don't appreciate something that can do its job without a bunch of noise and effort.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 23, 2012)

"The touchscreen, however, is an innovation "

No it is not. Panasonic and Olympus cameras had it for years.

2 upvotes
howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Refining a technology, making it work better, and making it more useful is innovation. Two objects may have the same function, but that does not mean the two are equal in usability or usefulness. Don't be a short sighted, reductionist fool.

0 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon had innovation - the AE-1 Program, A-1, the 630, the 10D, the 20D, the 5D, the Rebel, the 7D. I'm not seeing that here.

1 upvote
Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jul 23, 2012)

Is Canon the next Kodak?
Thinking it is safe with it's dominant position and fail to take competitors like Sony seriously

If someone say otherwise please tell me how is this better than NEX in any single way
I can't even see even one improvement over NEX

19 upvotes
Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jul 23, 2012)

There are 2 things:
1) On-sensor PDAF
2) 35mm equivalent pancake.

The Nex cameras are better in every other respect.

5 upvotes
ventur
By ventur (Jul 23, 2012)

Sony has a 35mm equivalent, its not a pancake, but its probably the best mirrorless lens on the planet, the Carl Zeiss 24/1.8

and the on sensor PDAF its ridiculous when you compare it with the true ones on the SLR's, or the Nex adapter that gives you PDAF 15 focus points, 3 of them cross type

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Blondesailor
By Blondesailor (Jul 23, 2012)

Touch screen is innovative, and will be liked by many.

Where Canon lags sorely is in sensor development. They used the only APS-C sensor they got - the ageing 18mp unit. Fringing is its biggest problem.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jul 23, 2012)

Sony might be the next Kodak, actually. The are forecasting over 6 Billion dollar loss this year. That's billion, with a B.

Canon on the other hand is forecasting 5 billion in profits. Canon knows how to sell cameras without help from the office chair forum experts.

0 upvotes
AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jul 25, 2012)

Sony imaging is profitable actually. It's the TV and other segments that give troubles to Sony.

0 upvotes
jto555
By jto555 (Jul 23, 2012)

Sorry Canon, but this camera looks like a waste of time. It is just lost in a sea of sameness with all the other P&S mirrorless cameras

Where is the viewfinder?

Why oh why, ANOTHER new lens mount.

A touch screen??? Is Canon trying to keep costs down at the expense of the user experience?

Make it full frame and stand head and sholders above the crowd!

I have to say that I could even be bothered to read the review of this camera. It has nothing for me. I was hoping for a compeditor to the Fuji X Pro 1 and not a Fuji JZ500.

7 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Of course its a new lens mount. Did you expect a m43 camera? Or a Samsung mount? Or a NEX mount?

FF? Why on earth! If anything - the mirror less cameras shall be smaller, not larger.

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rurikw
By rurikw (Jul 23, 2012)

Why not on earth? A mirrorless FF would be smaller than a FF with a mirror wouldn't it? Like the Leica M9 vs the 5D or a film rangefinder vs. film slr. If smallness is important. To me the point is rather in smooth live view functioning. The hybrids like 60(0)D, D5000 don't seem to quite do it.

0 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Personally I would like a mirror less FF or even a mirror less MF. A very cool and reasonable sized camera with large sensor might be the result.

But ... its a very small niche. Very, very small.

BTW - the M9 is not small. Compared to some Canon DSLR it is, but its actually quite large.

0 upvotes
seta666
By seta666 (Jul 23, 2012)

I really like the camera; was going to buy it as second body for my macro work (I work with tripod and liveview) and main body for travel/street but....
I do not how canon omited remote shutter conections (either IR or jack) so this camera is now useless for my needs

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CFynn
By CFynn (Jul 23, 2012)

Though you might have to wait for some time, there will undoubtedly be an enthusiast model with more features. Compare the initial Olympus m4/3 Pen cameras with the OM-D - or the first Sony NEX with the NEX-7.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

If i was rich and money is not a problem, i buy this camera too :) with articuled screen screen, a 650D is better for macro and cost the same than eos-m with adapter.

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Keithjmason
By Keithjmason (Jul 23, 2012)

I thought there is an IR sensor on the front.. just below the LED for AF assist.

0 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jul 23, 2012)

35mm equivalent focal length is odd
should be at least 28mm

$100 more expensive than NEX-5N but how to justify that
even same price as NEX, is this better

NEX has a brilliant sensor which this probably can't match
lots more lens than this which has only 2

You got a CANON camera which may or may not impress someone who know nothing about photography
I can't wait to see how much the CANON name really worth, to me not a dime.

If I am buying today would still choose NEX, no need to even think much

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Eleson
By Eleson (Jul 23, 2012)

So, if you had $800 (as the EOS-M + 22mm lens) ,
what camera would you buy...?

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

If it were my only camera, I would buy a Nikon D90 with a Tamron 17-50 f/2.8.

3 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 23, 2012)

Even a 1xxxD with that Tamron lens would be a better tool than the EOS-M + 22mm.

1 upvote
NiallM
By NiallM (Jul 23, 2012)

Fujifilm X100 :)

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 23, 2012)

If you cannot spend more than $800, you will always stay with the 22 lens on. What is the point of an ILC?
Sony RX100 is much, much more useful for a $150 less then.

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Sephirotic
By Sephirotic (Jul 23, 2012)

Lame. Won´t buy. Next?

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ianimal
By ianimal (Jul 23, 2012)

I am not sure how dedicated the brands are for these new mounts.
Before I see a good lineup of small good performing lenses I wait.
That's why I did buy a Sony RX100 some days ago. A real pocket camera
with good performance for what it is. Both Sony NEX and Canon EOS-M
are interesting systems, but they both are missig a dedicated good lens line-up today. Rumors say Sony will release some new NEX lenses soon, well only time will tell.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

This is a very good point.

I think this Canon EF-M mount will more likely trickle up into the DSLR range, giving us slightly thinner DSLRs, rather than staying with it's promise of a compact camera system. Looking at the NEX, it's simply not possible to make compact lenses for APS-C without completely compromising quality.

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increments
By increments (Jul 23, 2012)

Samsung haven't done too badly.

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threeOh
By threeOh (Jul 23, 2012)

Nor has Fuji. Time to pay less attention to Canon.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 23, 2012)

@Mike99999

It is possible to make to make compact lenses for APS-C without compromising quality but you have to compromise aperture.

The Pentax-DA pancakes are a good example of this.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g_5DfKuBHzc/SymWenOET0I/AAAAAAAAA3k/VLauXPNhY_Q/s1600-h/_IGP1399.JPG

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john
By john (Jul 23, 2012)

great camera, but I won't expect anything will be sharp from this thing, I dare to say that the AF system will be worse than 450d

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Based on what?

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

It may not be worse than the 450D but given the lack of a regular PDAF system for EF/EF-S lenses, and the slow speed of STM focus on the 450D which this apparently does not better, I would say if it isn't considered worse, it certainly has a problem relative to the mirrorless competition.

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thomas2279f
By thomas2279f (Jul 23, 2012)

Looks like a worthy camera but quite a bit pricey in uk and hopefully can bring some lenses like macro & telephoto. Like the 1.6 APs crop much better than the Nikon-1 toy system, this is what Nikon should have done rather than a cram it all they can on a small sensor..

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (Jul 23, 2012)

I didn't buy a V1 for the same reasons as many others _ went for mFT in the shape of the OM-D. However I think that Nikon will have the last laugh as sensor development makes the "CX" format more and more acceptable to serious amateurs. And of course its lenses, as the range develops, will remain small. In the short term both Nikon and Canon are relying on brand-loyalty: Canon's offering is as unappealing as the recent Nikons but for different reasons.

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macky patalinghug
By macky patalinghug (Jul 23, 2012)

Although I am a Canon fan who currently have three of its apsc models, I am more interested in the J1 than in the EOS-M for the reason that the former can turn some regular lenses into near macros and super tele zooms due to its 2.7 crop factor.

And yes the speed too -fps and af in good light- of the J1

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blank_
By blank_ (Jul 23, 2012)

the ergonomics may be overcrippled, but I expect the AF and sensor to be very competetive.

it looks like powershot S, while some of us would prefer G style of body (which I guess will follow)

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 23, 2012)

Looks like your expectations on the AF won't be met either.

Imaging Resources have their preview up and their biggest concern is the AF which is apparently the same as implemented in the 4ti.

"But the Live View autofocus speed is very slow on the T4i with the 40mm STM lens, averaging more than 1.2 seconds to autofocus in single-point mode, and more than 1.7 seconds in multi-point AF mode. That's just unworkable in a modern mirrorless camera."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-eos-m/canon-eos-mA.HTM

5 upvotes
aaaja
By aaaja (Jul 23, 2012)

my biggest fear comes true..
canon is INVESTING in a field where others are long time. AND Canon does no take immediate leadership in that field (that would at least dictate some respect). what a shame, what a time and money waste.

why fear? why anger? because hig-end equipemnt will be sooner or later inafordable for enthusiasts.
Canon could and should have the power to come into market with groundbreaking tools for High end Quality cameras and lenses. And boy there are still many things that would help pros and enthusiasts in getting superior pictures.

(Ps. thank you also facebook and youtube for beiing the a part of a tendency that is very ugly in my eyes.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

That F2.0 lens sure helps. It took Sony years to catch up to Samsung.

Then the other Canon lenses that will work with this system with an adapter.

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Peter Sills
By Peter Sills (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, let's see.

Very interesting.

No EVF. No tilting display. No real controls (physical thumb dial).

Camera aimed at the amateur. Camera aimed to knock Nikon's V1 out.

Too expensive for what it is. Canon, you need to cannibalize your own market in order to succeed. Why should I buy this vs. the Sony offerings? Are you going to have a "pro" version in time for Photokina?

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mg_k
By mg_k (Jul 23, 2012)

expensive compared to what?

It's about the same price as an EPM1 + Pana 20 1.7.

I take the Canon offering anyday. Larger sensor, standard 35mm FoV pancake, touch screen, 31 AF points, AF with all EF/EF-S lens via adapter.

What's not to like??

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

Here's what's not to like: no option of an electronic viewfinder (so forget about using it in bright light), only one pancake lens and no road map, no PASM dial. It is basically a copy of Sony NEX, but with less interesting features.

Now, let's look at the m43 option. For less than the price of this Canon, I am in the process of ordering a PEN E-P2 with electronic viewfinder and Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 pancake. I have the prospect of being able to buy a fantastic & small wide angle prime (the 12mm f/2), a Summilux normal prime, and a very compact tele zoom. With Canon or Sony, I have none of those prospects.

If I'm going to put a large lens on it, I will happily stick to my DSLR with far superior lenses and controls.

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mg_k
By mg_k (Jul 23, 2012)

@ Mike99999

You seriosuly think an EP2 + Pana 20f1.7 combo is better than this?? The EVF for the EP2 is crap anyway, I wouldn't even bother with that.

Sure m43 has more lenses available if you are building a COMPLETE system.

A lot of people are buying this as a smaller, lighter second package alongside a ff setup. I am more than happy with the EF-M and the 35mm FoV pancake only.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

The e-pm1 is around 350 with kit zoom, half the price of this Canon. Camera aimed at amateur, price aimed at entouthiam or fan boy :)

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

@mg_k: you are absolutely right, this camera only works as an accessory to a Canon DSLR. Once the price drops a bit, it will be a great accessory for Canon users.

I also think the next generation of rebels will be mirrorless and based on this mount, which is part of a bigger revolution that we have yet to see.

However, looking for a camera system that is as compact as possible, I don't think this is the way to go.

Besides, the EVF for the E-P2 is supposed to be one of the best viewfinders on the market.

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