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Canon EOS M: hands-on preview of Canon's first mirrorless EOS

By dpreview staff on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:00 GMT
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Canon has, as expected, announced the EOS M - its first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i, the EOS M is the first model to use a new, smaller 'EF-M' lens mount. It is launched alongside two EF-M lenses that use STM stepper motors optimized for use with the camera's hybrid AF system. As we've seen before in the mirrorless sector, the EOS M is predominantly aimed at the point-and-shoot upgrader market looking for DSLR quality and makes greater use of a 650D-style touch-screen interface. We've been using the EOS M for a little while and have prepared a preview, looking in more detail at Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera and how it handles.

UPDATE. We've recently updated this preview with our own images of the camera, having initially used those provided by Canon. We've also added more information about the camera and screenshots of its touch interface, so if you read our initial preview shortly after publication it's worth having another look. 

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Press Release:

DSLR-quality images at your fingertips: Canon launches the small and simple EOS M

London, UK, 23 July 2012 – Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The company’s first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions – from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canon’s renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite – the Speedlite 90EX – providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

The quality of a Canon DSLR

Print your favourite moments in poster-size or crop your image for maximum impact – whether shooting the atmosphere of your favourite club or the intricate stitching of the latest must-have handbag – thanks to the EOS M’s high-resolution, 18 megapixel APS-C hybrid CMOS sensor. The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact.

With the inclusion of Canon’s DIGIC 5 processor, colours ‘pop’ and skin tones are beautifully natural, whilst a super-fast shutter allows you to capture split-second action. The atmosphere of evening shoots and challenging night-time scenes are also easily recorded in stunning detail thanks to the EOS M’s sensitive native ISO range of 100- 12,800 (extendable to 25,600).

For pin-sharp shots and professional-looking footage, this new design features a Hybrid AF System that supports super-fast, accurate AF when shooting stills and movies – allowing you to record any moment with confidence.

Shoot what you see and easily express your creative vision

Every aspect of the EOS M has been designed to make it simple to capture beautiful, creative, high-quality images. From the very first swipe across the bright, high- resolution, 7.7cm (3.0”), Clear View LCD II Touch screen, the EOS M gives you as much or as little control over your photos as desired. Simply select different shooting modes and settings via the on-screen icons, or let Scene Intelligent Auto adjust the camera settings according to the subject and shooting conditions, leaving you free to focus on composition and selecting the perfect moment to hit the shutter release button.

EOS M users can shoot with the confidence that comes from having the world's most comprehensive photographic system behind them. Whether you want to capture every detail of a close-up or zoom in to frame a subject in the far distance, any one of Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses can be connected via the new

Mount Adapter EF-EOS M for photographic flexibility.

With one of Canon’s Speedlite flash units, you can also explore creative lighting techniques to add an extra level of interest to your shots. Alternatively, create unique images with a range of Creative Filters like Toy Camera effect, Grainy B&W or even a filter that mimics the distortion of a fish-eye lens. The filters can be applied before the shot is captured, with the result previewed in Live View, allowing you to experiment with different effects before selecting the perfect treatment for your final image.

Turn film-maker with EOS Movie and Video Snapshot

When a moment calls for more than a still image, the EOS M lets you switch easily to Full HD video with stereo sound for superb results. Video Snapshot mode also helps family and friends avoid long home movie viewing sessions, guiding you to create exciting movies in-camera, with a professionally edited feel.

Extending the EOS System with dedicated accessories

In addition to compatibility with Canon’s existing EF lenses1, accessories and Speedlites, the EOS M launches with its own bespoke range of compact accessories. Two new EF-M lenses offer portability and high performance when using the new model – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom and the
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake lens. Both feature new Stepper Motor technology for exceptionally smooth AF performance, as well as precision Canon optics, while their compact designs offer the perfect form-factor to complement the camera’s pocket-sized body.

Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects.

EOS M – key features

  •  The quality of a digital SLR in a compact body

  •  Scene Intelligent Auto

  •  Be versatile with interchangeable lenses

  •  Create out-of-focus backgrounds for high impact

  •  Easy-to-use touch-screen

  •  Atmospheric photos in low light

  •  Full-HD video with Video Snapshot Mode

1 Via Mount Adaptor EF-EOS M

Canon EOS M specifications

Price
MSRP$799.99 with 22mm lens, €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens, €1049/£949 with 18-55mm + 22mm lenses, €979/£879 with 22mm lens + EF adapter
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB,Adobe RGB
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points31
Lens mountCanon EF-M
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night
  • HDR Backlight Control mode
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer
Continuous drive4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E12 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)230
Weight (inc. batteries)298 g (0.66 lb / 10.51 oz)
Dimensions109 x 66 x 32 mm (4.29 x 2.6 x 1.26)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

Top-down view of the Canon EOS-M with 22mm F2.0 'pancake' prime lens.

Rear view of the Canon EOS-M (Silver)
Canon EOS-M with Speedlite EX-90 (included with the camera in most markets) Canon EOS-M shown wih EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens, using optional EF-EOS M mount adapter
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Comments

Total comments: 1229
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jimr
By jimr (Jul 23, 2012)

For a consumer level camera the lack of a built in flash is surprising and a mistake. The NEX 3F would be the example to follow given the road that Canon is going down.

0 upvotes
mg_k
By mg_k (Jul 23, 2012)

Built in flash is for noobs anyway...

And with a fast pancake @ 35mm, flash is rarely needed.

2 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

ISO up to 12800. What the hell do you need a tiny good for nothing built in flash for. At least the flash in the box will do something.

0 upvotes
CBuff
By CBuff (Jul 23, 2012)

Typical amateurish question... Like if a flash is only needed in dark situations. Go read some photography books instead of wasting your time on DPReview !

1 upvote
vicentemaia
By vicentemaia (Jul 24, 2012)

I probably will not buy this camera because I have no use for it, but a fill flash is a must in compact camera.

0 upvotes
Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Jul 23, 2012)

Cr@p. Glad I've switched from Canon some time ago.

10 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

No wonder you call yourself Digital Suicide then. Because that's what you've done ;)

2 upvotes
stevedigiphoto
By stevedigiphoto (Jul 23, 2012)

Really quite suprising there is no innovation in this new camera. Can see the appeal to point and shoot moving up but not to existing EOS users - yet another lens mount needing an adapter and why would you buy this rather than a DSLR body?

6 upvotes
CFynn
By CFynn (Jul 23, 2012)

Size. It may not be pocketable but it will fit in a woman's handbag.

0 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 23, 2012)

@stevedigiphoto

I'm not even sure it will appeal to those coming from a P&S.

I mean who wants to buy into an interchangeable lens system that only offers two native lenses?

Comment edited 8 minutes after posting
1 upvote
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

No new innovation????????????????? Have you not looked at the sensor and actually understand it. Have you checked the screen technology??? Please don't put up throw away comments like this before actually doing some home work...

0 upvotes
ashwins
By ashwins (Jul 23, 2012)

Sorry Beany, but steve is right...

0 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Hi ashwins
What has Steve got right? He's got it wrong about the lenses. 2 at launch with an adaptor that lets you mount all of the Canon EF and EFS lenses on the market. Thats over 100 lenses that you can use. A "New" Hybrid APSC Sensor only released on the EOS 650D... A new class leading touch screen for users.... I'm lost with the word innovation here. Do you want it to bake you a cake? Wash your car? Or something else. Just don't use the line no innovation without being able to back it up with some hard facts that's all.

0 upvotes
JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Jul 23, 2012)

sir_bazz, it has only two lenses at launch. Which I would surmise is about as many as mFT had at launch. And NEX had. It's not like these will be the only two lenses made for the system, ever...

For me the big question is the price of the EF-EOS lens adapter, i.e. whether the cost of being able to use my existing EF (and maybe EF-S?) lenses outweighs the lure of competing mirrorless systems.

0 upvotes
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

No innovation: Nikon had the hybrid sensor a year ago, and the option to mount Nikkor glass as well. Nikon, however, has the prospect of developing small lenses because of the 1" sensor. Canon walked straight into the same trap as Sony with their NEX system. And Canon is making the same mistake as Nikon with its useless controls.

0 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 23, 2012)

@JadedGamer

All true and I'm sure that EOS-M will be a much larger system in 5-10 years time but this camera is being released in a few months from now so the reality is it's competing with the more mature m4/3 systems, (and other MILC's), that are already out there.

My views will obviously change once the EOS-M lens lineup has some substance behind it.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 23, 2012)

And about this "class leading touch screen". Bogus. Apple has the class leading touch screen.

To bring a class-leading touch screen, one needs to step away from the current scene mode vs PASM mindset. Give me a touch-screen camera where you don't need to worry about aperture and DoF scales, but can just touch/swipe over the areas that should be sharp and the camera automatically calculates the correct focussing distance/aperture.

0 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Just so your aware the 650D and EOS-M use the same technology as the iPhone soooooooo it's class leading in a top end imaging product....

0 upvotes
howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Mike, a camera will never be able to think for you. That's what you're asking for. As for calculating a focus distance, that's called autofocus....it's got that. And "should be sharp" is a very subjective terms with variables like shutter speed, depth of field, etc. which is why cameras don't only come with Auto mode.

0 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Actually, a modern version of Canon's A-DEP mode (or better DOF AE mode) would be easy to implement if the PDAF sensors are widely and evenly distributed around the sensor and would be a very nice Canon-only feature.

0 upvotes
jon404
By jon404 (Jul 23, 2012)

No onboard flash... folks, it's no XZ-1.

3 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

If you think a tiny Flash is important in photography. I'm scared for the future of the business.

0 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

Having a tiny flash is always better than no flash

3 upvotes
ashwins
By ashwins (Jul 23, 2012)

Yes, spidermoon, fill-in flash is important, even a tiny flash does the job most of the time.

1 upvote
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

But there is a Flash. You get a 9 GN flash in the box when needed. So the twice a year times I need it I'll be able to use it.

1 upvote
h2k
By h2k (Jul 23, 2012)

This is so disappointing - and they don't even give a roadmap of lenses and bodies to come, to keep the odd enthusiast interested.

Only thing i like is that they completely drop the view finder.

But then: no thumbwheels, no swivel-screen (from Canon at that), no integrated flash, and the old-lens-adapter obviously a 200 USD surcharge.

Well, thanks.

3 upvotes
Chris Tofalos
By Chris Tofalos (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon have haughtily taken Samsung's NX200 route (no viewfnder) and Sony's with ludicrously large lenses for a compact system. Not April the 1st, is it? Because this has to be some sort of joke...

4 upvotes
Boris F
By Boris F (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon and Nikon have to join the m43 community!
Otherwise they will find themselves on the Nokia's today's position.
Times when every camera's company develop their own mount's system are over. Imagine to yourself that each computer's motherboard company will develop their own PC extension connections, instead use the PCIe and the USB. And using this way try to limit their customers to chose extensions (lenses) from the only one manufacturer. These times are over! We are in the 21 century now!
Wake up, make better products and customers will choose you. Don't limit a customer by "inventing" new mounts!!!

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 8 minutes after posting
20 upvotes
mg_k
By mg_k (Jul 23, 2012)

um m43 only consists of Pana and Oly. Hardly a community when there's only 2 parties in it imo...

1 upvote
Steven Micallef
By Steven Micallef (Jul 23, 2012)

Don't forget 3rd party M43 lenses... M43 offers more body and lens options than every other CSC mount combined.

3 upvotes
harold1968
By harold1968 (Jul 23, 2012)

the xpro-1 has everything
the Nex seris is excellent
all superior to M43s, whaty are you taling about ?

3 upvotes
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Explain to me how the laws of physics can be broken to allow large lenses fit close to a sensor. At Least Canon have a mount offering that you can attach over 70 lenses onto it. I'm getting really tired of people not in the know commenting these days.

1 upvote
patrick c tom
By patrick c tom (Jul 23, 2012)

why worry about a dslr being obsolete...it is obsolete...no one wants to carry a dslr...no one wants to carry a view camera for that matter...ask Ansel Adams and his burrows...If you can make it better make it...if you build it they will come...that is reality. If your hands are use to a dslr then so be it...but you still don't want to carry it...look at the size of old 35mm film cameras...theyre not large...

1 upvote
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

@BeanyPic

There are no laws that say a "large" lens can't be close to the sensor (seen the M9?) it just means the lens and sensor have to be designed for it.

0 upvotes
Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Jul 24, 2012)

High end cameras are far more specialized computers than desktop or laptop computers. They are very small handheld computers designed and built for a specific purpose unlike the wide uses a computer can handle. Apple's ipad, ipod touch are all proprietery in input devices, no USB since you brought it up.

0 upvotes
Boris F
By Boris F (Jul 24, 2012)

XPro-1, has everything? 2 lenses? With the original mount.
Nex? Four slow and huge lenses. With the original mount.
iPhone? It is a toy not camera.
m43 >20 lenses including fast lenses and top quality. With the m43 standard mount.

1 upvote
douple
By douple (Jul 23, 2012)

what i see is a raise of m42 lens prices ..

0 upvotes
emircruz
By emircruz (Jul 23, 2012)

Looks like Canon's trying to minimize canibalizing its DSLR sales by going APS-C with backwards compatibality.

I think this is great for guys with existing canon gear looking for a secondary camera. But for people looking at Mirrorless cameras as their primary camera - I still think IMHO that M43 is the way to go.

NEX bodies are great but there is not enough lenses and the lenses are significantly larger. I think the same case will apply to the EOS-M.

And while compatability with existing ef and ef-s lenses are great, it doesn't make much sense if you're thinking of using the EOS-M as your only camera.

my 2 cents

3 upvotes
TrapperJohn
By TrapperJohn (Jul 23, 2012)

What you have here is a consumer camera, not an enthusiast camera.

It's missing some key enthusiast features: no eye level viewfinder, no thumbwheels, and no image stabilization.

What I found with an early Pen: Once the novelty of the size wore off, LCD framing is vague. LCD framing at arm's length is unsteady, so you lean on IS even more, if it had IS. The lack of thumbwheels means adjusting anything is a pain. The Pen had IS and two thumbwheels, and it was still a pain to use.

You can put EF glass on it. I could use the fast HG ZD zooms on the Pen, but it was a clumsy handling affair. Try to work the zoom ring on that 70-200: the tiny body will pivot out of your right hand, not enough to grip.

You enthusiasts will likely find this particular setup interesting, for about a month. Then, you'll put it aside or give it to a family member like I did.

9 upvotes
CFynn
By CFynn (Jul 23, 2012)

For many people moving up from a P&S no eye level viewfinder is not an issue, those same people are also used to touch screen controls from their smart phone.

Undoubtedly, before too long ,there will be a more fully featured "enthusiast" model with an EVF and more controls. More lenses will come too.

The sensor size is good, compatibility with EF lenses good, and the AF system looks good. It is obviously not designed for large fast zoom or telephoto lenses. For that Canon make DSLRs.

The price is silly, but I bet it comes down by Christmas.

Comment edited 39 seconds after posting
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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

It's not designed for enthusiast's thankfully That's what the G series cameras are for.

0 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Who is it designed for?

Non-enthusiast consumers who are satisfied with a fixed semi-wide lens? (Lots of those I'm sure.) Or who have a large collection of EF/EF-S lenses and are willing to pay $1000 for a new body (hah!).

Or the ones that want a smaller camera and don't mind $300 extra for the one zoom lens?

I don't see it as being designed for most still photographers at all.

0 upvotes
fruehlein
By fruehlein (Jul 23, 2012)

Anybody noticed that the M series has a phase detetection autofocus? Or am I the only one? Is there any other mirrorless in thtat size with this feature?
For judging I need to shoot some photos with it.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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taotoo
By taotoo (Jul 23, 2012)

Nikon 1-series? Some Fuji's? Not sure if they're the same size though.

0 upvotes
fruehlein
By fruehlein (Jul 23, 2012)

Yes, I just saw that Nikon 1 has one....shouldnt it be pretty fast?

0 upvotes
The Lotus Eater
By The Lotus Eater (Jul 23, 2012)

It doesn't - it has a hybrid AF system. This is not phase detection as you know it in a DSLR.

1 upvote
fruehlein
By fruehlein (Jul 23, 2012)

Lets wait how quick it is...heared allready some good things about it...

1 upvote
Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 23, 2012)

Really unimpressed ... with the rants & uninformed whines.

I, too, wished it was full-frame 36MP, with EVF, in-body IS, universal lens mount for any brand, brain-wave thought reading capability etc.

Wished it had more DSLR knobs & dials, but er... wouldn't it be juz ... bigger?

Here's my take. I've been wanting to upgrade my derelict Canon DSLRs.
I've seen friends who like me aren't as free to shoot seriously due to work (& age/maturity related laziness) give up their DSLR systems to downgrade to M4/3. But I've got my L lenses & EFS10-22mm, EX580IIs etc.

The thought of having to get all the new lenses & flashes to go with a new system would have been a royal pain. Plus, I did not want to give up on DSLR quality images.

EOS-M would allow me to use it with small prime or STM lenses if minimal size/weight was everything. Yet I can selectively bring any one of my heavy artillery glass if need be without bringing my DSLR with vertical grip.

There... the raison d'etre for the EOS-M?

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jul 23, 2012)

First, its doesn't have IQ of a "full frame" DSRL. Canon APS-C sensor is only 46% larger in area than m4/3, and much of it is due to the different aspect ratio. So much for the "downgrade".

Second, the features you mentioned (except 36MP full frame) can allready be found on other mirrorless cameras. This Canon camera should appeal only to most die hard brand loyalists at the moment. Of course this will not be their last word...

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Chris Tofalos
By Chris Tofalos (Jul 23, 2012)

Fair comment, I suppose, but I'm not sure you'd be happy waving your heavy artillery glass at arms length because of the lack of any EVF. It's a big thumbs down from me...

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Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jul 23, 2012)

yes.. and if the AF is the same as the 650D in live view, this thing has slower AF then even the Fuji X100 ! Let a consumer try the hybrid AF and how slow it is and they will not want to buy this !

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 23, 2012)

@Chris Tofalos - "arms length"? Ever heard of a monopod? I reckon its a lot more comfortable than sticking my face against the back of a body.

@DarkShift
"46% larger in area than m4/3" - like that's not significant? U realise the IQ difference with L glass in front with its sweeter centre spot?

" the features you mentioned (except 36MP full frame) can allready be found on other mirrorless cameras" - really? Mind control?

"loyalist"? - No juz plain logic

I keep hearing ppl say that other mirrorless camera systems are better. Really?

APS-C mirrorless category: NEX - great body. Only the 24MP version is better than the EOS-M's. But shitty lens choices to go with them! NEX lenses are no smaller nor lighter than EF-S lenses. Neither are they of any better quality. Certainly not better than L glass.

M4/3: Expensive! Like idea of an open universal standard mount. However, only good glass are the primes. Zooms are crap & high end large aperture ones are ridiculously big/heavy/expensive.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 23, 2012)

Further comparisons as & when they come...

@Winston Loo: "Fuji X100" - I find mention of this as a competitor STUPID. Its a FIXED lens camera!!!

If I want super light weight, a top prime lens on the EOS-M would match/beat anything out there in terms of price/weight/volume/performance?

Surely I'm not the only photographer left who feels that lens variety/choice & selection is what makes a photographer?

(Things like AF/handling etc. aside until actual test results pls.)

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

It's not designed and / or marketed to Enthusiast's, Pro-Sumors or Semi Pro's. It's a consumer camera. Designed to give DSLR IQ to the average user. They don't want/ care about dials, buttons or manual control, even though this has it all. They want a small camera with high quality images, taken with ease. That's what this camera is designed to do.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jul 23, 2012)

With just 46% area difference, the resolution difference is not so big at all. The difference from APS-C to FF is much greater. The quality of OM-D raw images is better than older generation APS-C cameras, and its DR is similar or better than with Canon sensors.

Anyway its allready reported that AF speed of this Canon with STM lenses is very very slow, slower than 1st generation EP-1. This is really bad if it turns about to be true. Current m4/3 cameras will run circles around it.

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zxaar
By zxaar (Jul 23, 2012)

the most interesting thing that i have observed over the years here is that when most of the m43 users compare their cams with others they say like this:
1. APC sensor is large so all the lenses are going to be large, you can not fight with physics and blah blah blah.

Then they also like to point out:

2. between APC and m43 the dof difference are not much, the area of apc is not much larger than m43 to give it real IQ advantage. (when talking about IQ how m43 and apc becomes similar sensors but when comes to lenses apc is too large).

Bunch of hypocrites i would say.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jul 23, 2012)

You see the wider image format (2:3 aspect ratio) demands larger imaging circle than with 3:4. Plus that there's not too many fast yet small native lenses for APS-C cameras available.

And the lenses are in fact quite much larger with APC so I don't get your point at all.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 23, 2012)

@ DarkShift

I have to agree with @zxaar on this. You can't have your cake & eat it too.

All things being the same, the APS-C has 18MP of resolution, way more resolution than most M4/3s & second only to the top of the line NEX. In most comparisons, all things being the same, noise levels will always be at least as good if not better. Its the laws of physics.

I don't know why you bring up the M4/3 vs 1st gen APS-C sensor thing. This is hardly a 1st generation APS-C sensor, its the latest.

Talking about the diff between APS-C & FF is moot & irrelevant too. There isn't any on the market, stop dreaming. I was only kidding. Anyway, all the whiners who complain about a 35mm system FF lens being blasphemous on a mirrorless body would get their knickers in a twist about that.

I on the other hand always feel, use whatever lens on whatever body that gets the shot!

C'mon guys, I'm still waiting to be convinced by a sensible, logical criticism.

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D200_4me
By D200_4me (Jul 23, 2012)

It's another tiny NEX body with over-sized zoom lenses. But....the more choices the better.

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UnicornNz
By UnicornNz (Jul 23, 2012)

The stripped down nature of this model will mean it does not appeal to enthusiasts.
The lack of a zoom kit (in the US) will mean it does not appeal to the P&S crowd.
I think it must be designed for Asia, where P&S mirrorless is strong, while avoiding cannibalizing the US DSLR market.

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Azfar
By Azfar (Jul 23, 2012)

An APS-C sensor in that body. I will take one. In red probably. and yeah, take that V1.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Interesting read in the comments :) Yes, its a bit too plain. And yes, at $800 you can expect some more. How about a PASM dial and at least one wheel? And maybe even an aux. VF?

But - as several have written - this is only the first one. Canon has muscles - there will be more.

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blank_
By blank_ (Jul 23, 2012)

but why is it so ugly?

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Is it ugly? Didnt notice that. But - taste varies.

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wood11cr
By wood11cr (Jul 23, 2012)

Have to agree, it is somewhat a hideous little camera. They seem to be suffering in the design department.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Jul 23, 2012)

Ugly? Put it next to the G1X - beside that it looks elegant.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

I like the look of it. To each their own...

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ericsan
By ericsan (Jul 23, 2012)

What a boring new camera...such a long wait for a very basic product !!
Will not wait for the upcoming & upgraded models...bye bye Canon, hello Panasonic/Olympus you will get my money for my needed backup mirrorless camera, your models are much more exciting,innovative...
Cheers !!

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Azfar
By Azfar (Jul 23, 2012)

I doubt if Panasonic / Olympus will give you an APS-C sensor in a body that size.

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Jul 23, 2012)

@Azfar that was a compelling argument 5 years ago, but this is 2012, where some cellphones can beat point-and-shoot cameras.

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Sephirotic
By Sephirotic (Jul 23, 2012)

Who needs APS-C, anyway? GF-5/PEN + pancake all the way.

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GKN
By GKN (Jul 23, 2012)

Phone cameras (ecluding the 41MP Nokia) are still rubbish - they may beat some P&S but only the rubbish ones....... I compared an iPhone 4s against an 8 year old P&S ........ the 8 year old P&S is so much better than the iPhone it's crazy.

I agree this camera is a relatively average entry into the mirrorless market - if I was puchasing today I would look elsewhere, but the future models may be worthwhile

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lmtfa
By lmtfa (Jul 23, 2012)

@GKN +1. To those who have such passion on cell phone cameras, nuts!

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon is afraid to miss the mirrorless camera boat on one hand, on the other hand they don't dare to create a competitor to their low end DSLR cash cow. Thus a P&S camera with a high sticker price -- planned failure?
There is a moment in every successful company history when they have to kill their cash cow and risk doing something new or face inevitable technological death. The longer Canikons keep defending their DSLR market the more difficult it will be for them to compete in the mirrorless future.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Jul 23, 2012)

Give me an EVF and a built-in flash or give me death.

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don_van_vliet
By don_van_vliet (Jul 23, 2012)

I would advise against repeating this to a camera shop sales assistant.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Old school stuff. EVF's are a pain. Built in flash is just a joke. ISO on this baby is 12800. Who needs a build in flash. At least you get a nice (9 GN) flash when needed.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Jul 23, 2012)

I use flash for fill-in.

My clothes have no pockets. For accessory flash units, that is.

12800 looks like nobody's business.

Cameras without viewfinders -- how did they ever get a gullible public to accept this new thing?

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Jul 23, 2012)

@don_van_vliet

Ha ha! That is the best comeback I ever saw among these forum discussions.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

It's called moving forward and developing photography.

"Just Saying"

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Jul 23, 2012)

I'm inclined to call it chiseling. Even a cave-man optical viewfinder is often nice to have available. But let's not have disagreements about what are in reality little more important than toys sour the springs of neighborliness.

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twadger
By twadger (Jul 23, 2012)

I have to agree with most of the comments on here. Yes it's a perfectly capable camera but where's the innovation?

It's expensive and offers nothing that isn't available already from other manufacturers.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

When you use the word innovation please explain what you mean? It keeps on getting banded about but nobody can explain it to me.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Exactly. What kind of innovation are you thinking of?

Its a camera. It looks like other cameras. Might be boring. But - hardly a negative thing IMHO.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Jul 23, 2012)

Innovation = using something existing in a new way. Not sure how that applies to cameras, which largely have worked much the same way for years.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

twadger:

The simple fact that it ships with an F2.0 lens is innovation.

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dark goob
By dark goob (Jul 23, 2012)

I feel totally unimpressed and unsurprised. Canon had to do this at some point, they got dragged into it I guess. But it's so consumery and blah. Where is the innovation, daring, and excitement? All I see here is a late entry that is basically a copy of several other brands.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Yeah. It is a late entry, by Canon - one of the two most bought camera brands. It is going to sell well. It is going to make money for Canon. Being late is no problems for the big ones.

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Marty CL
By Marty CL (Jul 23, 2012)

Here's some predictions: Just as with the Nikon release, Canon fans will set themselves up for disappointment. First of all, the price will likely rival the entry level Rebels with less capability. And fans will lament that it is not as versital as Canon DSLRs. But, as with Nikon, Canon will not want to cannablize their DSRL market by developing a too elabaorate mirrorless unit. Don't expect a Leica rangefinder clone.

I think we will move a situation in the near future where these mirrorless cameras will start to crowd out the entry level DSLR base models (if prices drop to reasonable levels)---especially for the "legacy" camera companies such as Canon and Nikon. And, I think these units will be a testing ground for new and innovative technologies.

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Richt2000
By Richt2000 (Jul 23, 2012)

If the pointless mode dial was a customisable control wheel, I could set Aperture to that and exp comp to the back wheel, and use the touch screen fro focus point. SOLD.

Instead, it's a redundant mode dial. Why not allow movie recording all the time like NEX, and put A+ along with The other modes?

VERY big mistake for such a large company - obviously would rather make IXUS people feel at home rather than make a decent user interface.

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Weyskipper
By Weyskipper (Jul 23, 2012)

I shoot Nikon DSLR and Canon G12. I was hoping that Canon would bring a serious contender that is fast and has an Electronic View Finder to the market. I am puzzled why Nikon and Canon aren't taking the mirrorless market seriously. They seem to be happy to leave this space to Sony, Olympus et al. They should stop worrying about cannibalising their own DSLRs or they will lose out. The Nikon 1 is actually pretty good, but it has flaws. It was overpriced, but you can get great deals on it now. This Canon leaves me completely confused what they were trying to do. Slow focus, no EVF. A real missed opportunity. All I can hope is that Nikon has learnt out of the 1 series and releases a professional grade model at Photokina. My wish list: Bigger sensor (very unlikely), V1 spec with built in flash, better quality lenses (faster lenses), higher res sensor, better low-light performance.

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Marty CL
By Marty CL (Jul 23, 2012)

I do not think that Nikon and Canon would want to jeopardize their DSLR market by making too formidable a rival for their standard models. And I think the prices would tend to rival their more expensive models with less capability.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

Weyskipper:

How do you know this Canon is slow to auto-focus? Is the phase detect system only for video?

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hajime93
By hajime93 (Jul 23, 2012)

reading the comments is so fun, as always.

but the white one sure looks sexy, will consider if they drop the price

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Richt2000
By Richt2000 (Jul 23, 2012)

It should have been L lens Off-White!

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 23, 2012)

"Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i..."

Now THAT is a very nice chip.

But... it seems this foray of Canon into the mirrorless CSC arena is but a mere reaction to the the growing interest and profitability of the genre. The features here have been done and dealt with: by the leading edge pioneers.

One thing going for this new kid on the block is the array of available lenses.
Now that leaves the competition struggling on a flat tire.
.

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (Jul 23, 2012)

WHAT A WASTE!!!!!

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Jul 23, 2012)

No surprise, a 650D in mirrorless guise ; seriously I think too many are asking for too much, they ask for Large sensor, they ask for compact body, they ask for lightweight, they ask for a zillion zoom or extreme fast speed in the lens , but they want all these altogether.

Its basically asking for too much ...,

And keep asking just for a small camera defeat the whole purpose and limit the capability of mirrorless. There is school of photographer needing a compact setup, they can choose to have pocketables like the RX100 or Rioch GR-D, they have mirrorless with slim lens like the M4/3 with their pancakes ( or that of Samsung or ... )

In short, there is no way a single system that can deliver all the required in only a single setup. People just had to take the what is and figure which is for them and which is not.

Good for a start, Canon, but might be its too much the same as the 650D though .

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 23, 2012)

@ Simon

"if you spent less time _________ maybe you could do more _________ (fill in your own blanks in either section from: writing reviews, adding pointless features, fixing the server, writing previews, talking about iphones, replying to comments)"

You know, I'd love to use this reply on a daily basis in the forums for those who'd love to insult for __________ reason rather than ________, if that's ok with you?

Btw, love it.

On topic, I think being the first camera from Canon in this segment, its obviously hitting the priority of the average consumer. Kinda cool even for enthusiasts wanting a smaller camera that enjoy what Canon offer.

For me, I'd like to see another model made with more advanced controls and possibly a built in EVF. Pretty sure Canon's got one on the drawing board.

C

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Randy Benter
By Randy Benter (Jul 23, 2012)

Is Carl attempting a hostile takeover of DPR? He has no respect for those who run this site. Or himself. Or anyone else for that matter.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 23, 2012)

What are you talking about Randy? I'm giving Simon a compliment on his reply. So replying or starting posts here on DPR constitutes a hostile takeover???

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goshigoo
By goshigoo (Jul 23, 2012)

I think EOS-M is an entry level model
one should not compare it against OMD/NEX7

You should compare it against GF5 / NEX3F...

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Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jul 23, 2012)

yes and nex and the gf are way cheaper!!

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

But it's a weird entry level model that comes with a fixed focal length wide angle lens... and $300 more for a kit zoom.

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Andrew Butterfield
By Andrew Butterfield (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, it's not for me, but then Canon didn't design it for me. If they had, it would have two or three dials, a tilting screen and an EVF. But I'm sure that's coming in future models so this is potentially a very good competitor for the competition. And the ability to mount old Canon lenses on it will be huge.
If what Imaging Resource says about the autofocus speed is true though, and Canon don't fix it before launch, this will sadly be as big a dud as Canon's large-sensor compact is.

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NineFace
By NineFace (Jul 23, 2012)

Want the review now!

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Cheezr
By Cheezr (Jul 23, 2012)

I am not impressed, another nex like camera, i.e., small body huge lenses. I think that nikon had the right idea with the v1, just head scratching execution.
at least if i go thru the trouble to use a mount adapter i get 2.7x where this is standard aps-c. what is even the point of a new mount here?

Pentax may have had it right if you had to have aps-c since the mount adapter is built into the k-01!

not for me!

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 23, 2012)

FYI AF Speed is currently about the same as a 2009 M43 system camera (Source IR).

If you have a 650D it's the same as that camera in "live view".

That makes this camera somewhat of a "mixed bag" even for the mom and pop looking for better IQ than their P&S camera.

True high ISO will be better but they will miss a ton of shots due to the slow AF speed.

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ZorSy
By ZorSy (Jul 23, 2012)

I like what Canon did - people were screaming "give us mirrorless". So Canon made one, for what mirrorless is: no VF of any kind, no knobs or buttons, no built in flash - basic sensor+LCD which disappears when attached on the big lens. They can't defy the physics and make big sensor with a small glass at the front- yet they demonstrated it can be "small-ish" with prime pancake. But Canon did make a statement which may dent the whole market: Canon is a camera name and this is a decent mirrorless system."How BAD are the others, should I bother with the whole moirrorless concept at all or should I just go safe route and buy DSLR, at least knowing what I'm buying? So, it REALLY can't be small after all?" these will be the questions average consumer would ask themselves making a purchase decision. We already know this, don't we?If one wants fully featured big sensor camera with fast focus and all things big and small, mirrorless is NOT the final answer and will not kill DSLR as we know it.

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Ian Leach
By Ian Leach (Jul 23, 2012)

These forums are full of people with childish agendas. This camera is probably just the first of a line of new ef-m mount cameras. I’m sure they will bring out something for the geeks (like me) later. The real issue though, is this argument that the camera doesn’t bring anything new and is a NEX rip off. First, it’s a camera, with a body shape, a screen and place to stick a lens, just like every other camera before it. What exactly did you expect? Of course it looks something like a NEX, but remember Samsung’s NX came out before the Sony, so is Sony a rip off? If you have Canon glass you now have the start of a range of true live view cameras to use it on, surely a good thing. Please note that these comments are made by a non-Canon shooter, who is being positive about a new camera no matter who makes it.

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (Jul 23, 2012)

You are so right... the internet is not (any longer?) a place for sane or at least reasonable people, it seems.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

Ian:

It brings an F2.0 lens, with shipment to the table.

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viking79
By viking79 (Jul 23, 2012)

First time I have been interested in something from Canon in a while. It looks like they took they listened to what many of the Sony NEX users were complaining about and released it with those features. I am sure future models will have viewfinder and/or articulated screens.

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Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jul 23, 2012)

like? slow af? large lenses?

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Slow AF on the one two second clip on youtube. The phase detect sensor is in the center and the video shows the ability of the contrast detect on very close subjects. That is absolutely the tiniest bit of information one could base a conclusion on. Don't allow your five second attention span and the expectation for instant gratification distract you from the fact that you have no clue what this camera is capable of.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

Unfortunately that clip isn't the only slow AF comment from previewers - the bottom line from ir:

I'm hoping both cameras' Hybrid AF can be tuned before the EOS M ships in October 2012, because right now only an unaware consumer would put up with the EOS M's slow autofocus, and street shooters would find the EOS M an exercise in frustration.

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nemark
By nemark (Jul 23, 2012)

Just another mirrorles without built in EVF. Can`t afford that luxury for my aged eyes, no matter of other qualities. For me, a good EVF is criterion number one!

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tornwald
By tornwald (Jul 23, 2012)

D.O.A

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CentipedeCarpet
By CentipedeCarpet (Jul 23, 2012)

I dunno, it looks kinda cool. The front grip may also feel good. I won't make any positive or negative comments about that until I can mess with one for myself. The one obvious complaint then has to be the lack of dials. I can't believe I'm saying this but the physical controls seem to even make the Nikon 1 look pro-oriented. No PASM on a mode dial? Is that even a dial around the 4 menu buttons?

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tocar
By tocar (Jul 23, 2012)

Nice looking camera. Dunno why so many negs, guess can't make people happy. I do like the EF lens adapter and now I can use my 'L' lenses on this camera. At least Canon saved it's user's some dollars by adapting the EF lenses so you don't have to buy a new line of lenses. Congrats Canon!

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Ace Disgrace
By Ace Disgrace (Jul 23, 2012)

Love: HOTSHOE!!!
Hate: Everything about it

> Some of the mirrorless brands are smiling now..."Nothing to be alarm about"
> Canon saying "Stick to our DSLR's please" Canon EOS M is a greedy marketing plan.

Im expecting the best since the rumor came out many months ago. having to see this today makes me want to go out and punch somebody.

im utterly dissapointed Canon.
What have you done Canon?

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jul 23, 2012)

Total Nex ripoff (but sensor probably not as good).
Just confirms that Sony had it right from the start.

I am jealous of the 35mm equivalent pancake though. Sony needs a 23mm pancake, stat.

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Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Jul 24, 2012)

Well since you arte jealous, that means Sony didn't have it right from the start and still doesn't have it right, right? ;)

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 23, 2012)

Just as I expected, $800, basically an OVF-T4i, and while solid, offers nothing compelling or innovative

canon, if you're gonna arrive late, you better have something good. this isn't it.

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mbaginy
By mbaginy (Jul 23, 2012)

I don't see a real need for this camera now. There was a time, where Canon was a photographic leader, now they seem to be playing catch up.

But then, since they seemed unable (unwilling?) to add a dedicated mirror lockup button to their D-SLRs, this development seems only logical.

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dara2
By dara2 (Jul 23, 2012)

what would I do with a dedicated mirror lockup button?

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d_leemans
By d_leemans (Jul 23, 2012)

Err ... perhaps enable MLU WITHOUT having to dive into the fricking Custom Functions menu ? It's a very long standing issue. Since you seem unaware of it, I guess you don't do MLU often ?

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thirteenguy
By thirteenguy (Jul 23, 2012)

Apparently no one know this thing called: MY MENU. You can add mirror lockup into it and access it fast WITHOUT digging into Cfn. Someone didn't do their homework. And who the heck uses mirror lock ups except you landscape and long exposure shooters( Any Landscape photography after Ansel Adams all have absolute 0 value, except NATGEO stuff)?
stop whining until you're making money off your pictures, full time.

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dara2
By dara2 (Jul 23, 2012)

Hi leemans,
I do know what is MLU, but you are spot on, I don't use MLU often (never) so what would I do with a dedicated MLU button? but we are a bit off topic here (EOS-M)

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ArchiDeos
By ArchiDeos (Jul 23, 2012)

Agree 13guy..nice bro... Better read your manual 3X and be familiar with the function and menus to optimize you camera..

Well, i gues for the M-Camera.. This is for hobbyist who likes compact camera for day to day shooting and its easy to throw on your bag..and its good Canon design the M-camera for the Existing Superb L-glass Lenses.. A big plus for the existing owners.. lets wait for the final review then we can suggest what is missing. Keep on shooting guys...

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Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Jul 24, 2012)

Who in their right mind needs to switch to MLU in a hurry? Think about it. And MLU can be registered to "C" modes in the dial. Canon's implementation of customizing functions far beats Nikon's "lets see how many buttons and switches we can fit on the camera" mentality.

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lacreed
By lacreed (Jul 23, 2012)

Lol - this camera is not designed for you lot. They will naturally come out with a consumer model first - that is after all the biggest market.

If you are an enthusiast shooter: settle down, stop moaning and wait for the next one ;-)

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Zafar Kazmi
By Zafar Kazmi (Jul 23, 2012)

+1. Just wait for the next shoe to drop :)

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jul 23, 2012)

Or just buy the OM-D and start shooting some great photographs :D

This Canon offering is really an entry level camera with certainly not so entry level price.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Jul 23, 2012)

Well said lacreed. Sick of the moaners again. Have to get off this site as they all crowd it out with there wines and winging. Getting very boring

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Boris F
By Boris F (Jul 23, 2012)

Too little too late!
Canon and Nikon have to join the 43 community. Otherwise they can find themselves on Nokia's today's position.

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KeeChiuPeng
By KeeChiuPeng (Jul 23, 2012)

I just need the body and adapter for my EOS glasses, then I'll be happy to retire my old 7D

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epistefiend
By epistefiend (Jul 23, 2012)

Phew, my wallet has been living in fear that I might buy the Canon mirrorless when It was released. It seems that these fears were completely unfounded. This camera brings nothing new to the market but a Canon nametag on a mirrorless. It needs more controls. Sure, touchscreen is nice to have but it is no excuse for lack of knobs. There is nothing like the feel of mechanical controls. Once you become intimately familiar with the device, using it becomes like playing an instrument. You don't need to look at it, you just know where everything is by feel.

If they had just made an interchangeable lens camera along the lines of a G1X I would have been very interested. Sads :(

It's really frusterating that they released the 22m f/2.0 lens for M mount but still lack a fast normal lens of any kind for EF-S crop bodies.

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