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Canon EOS M: hands-on preview of Canon's first mirrorless EOS

By dpreview staff on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:00 GMT
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Canon has, as expected, announced the EOS M - its first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i, the EOS M is the first model to use a new, smaller 'EF-M' lens mount. It is launched alongside two EF-M lenses that use STM stepper motors optimized for use with the camera's hybrid AF system. As we've seen before in the mirrorless sector, the EOS M is predominantly aimed at the point-and-shoot upgrader market looking for DSLR quality and makes greater use of a 650D-style touch-screen interface. We've been using the EOS M for a little while and have prepared a preview, looking in more detail at Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera and how it handles.

UPDATE. We've recently updated this preview with our own images of the camera, having initially used those provided by Canon. We've also added more information about the camera and screenshots of its touch interface, so if you read our initial preview shortly after publication it's worth having another look. 

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Press Release:

DSLR-quality images at your fingertips: Canon launches the small and simple EOS M

London, UK, 23 July 2012 – Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The company’s first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions – from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canon’s renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite – the Speedlite 90EX – providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

The quality of a Canon DSLR

Print your favourite moments in poster-size or crop your image for maximum impact – whether shooting the atmosphere of your favourite club or the intricate stitching of the latest must-have handbag – thanks to the EOS M’s high-resolution, 18 megapixel APS-C hybrid CMOS sensor. The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact.

With the inclusion of Canon’s DIGIC 5 processor, colours ‘pop’ and skin tones are beautifully natural, whilst a super-fast shutter allows you to capture split-second action. The atmosphere of evening shoots and challenging night-time scenes are also easily recorded in stunning detail thanks to the EOS M’s sensitive native ISO range of 100- 12,800 (extendable to 25,600).

For pin-sharp shots and professional-looking footage, this new design features a Hybrid AF System that supports super-fast, accurate AF when shooting stills and movies – allowing you to record any moment with confidence.

Shoot what you see and easily express your creative vision

Every aspect of the EOS M has been designed to make it simple to capture beautiful, creative, high-quality images. From the very first swipe across the bright, high- resolution, 7.7cm (3.0”), Clear View LCD II Touch screen, the EOS M gives you as much or as little control over your photos as desired. Simply select different shooting modes and settings via the on-screen icons, or let Scene Intelligent Auto adjust the camera settings according to the subject and shooting conditions, leaving you free to focus on composition and selecting the perfect moment to hit the shutter release button.

EOS M users can shoot with the confidence that comes from having the world's most comprehensive photographic system behind them. Whether you want to capture every detail of a close-up or zoom in to frame a subject in the far distance, any one of Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses can be connected via the new

Mount Adapter EF-EOS M for photographic flexibility.

With one of Canon’s Speedlite flash units, you can also explore creative lighting techniques to add an extra level of interest to your shots. Alternatively, create unique images with a range of Creative Filters like Toy Camera effect, Grainy B&W or even a filter that mimics the distortion of a fish-eye lens. The filters can be applied before the shot is captured, with the result previewed in Live View, allowing you to experiment with different effects before selecting the perfect treatment for your final image.

Turn film-maker with EOS Movie and Video Snapshot

When a moment calls for more than a still image, the EOS M lets you switch easily to Full HD video with stereo sound for superb results. Video Snapshot mode also helps family and friends avoid long home movie viewing sessions, guiding you to create exciting movies in-camera, with a professionally edited feel.

Extending the EOS System with dedicated accessories

In addition to compatibility with Canon’s existing EF lenses1, accessories and Speedlites, the EOS M launches with its own bespoke range of compact accessories. Two new EF-M lenses offer portability and high performance when using the new model – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom and the
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake lens. Both feature new Stepper Motor technology for exceptionally smooth AF performance, as well as precision Canon optics, while their compact designs offer the perfect form-factor to complement the camera’s pocket-sized body.

Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects.

EOS M – key features

  •  The quality of a digital SLR in a compact body

  •  Scene Intelligent Auto

  •  Be versatile with interchangeable lenses

  •  Create out-of-focus backgrounds for high impact

  •  Easy-to-use touch-screen

  •  Atmospheric photos in low light

  •  Full-HD video with Video Snapshot Mode

1 Via Mount Adaptor EF-EOS M

Canon EOS M specifications

Price
MSRP$799.99 with 22mm lens, €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens, €1049/£949 with 18-55mm + 22mm lenses, €979/£879 with 22mm lens + EF adapter
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB,Adobe RGB
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points31
Lens mountCanon EF-M
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night
  • HDR Backlight Control mode
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer
Continuous drive4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E12 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)230
Weight (inc. batteries)298 g (0.66 lb / 10.51 oz)
Dimensions109 x 66 x 32 mm (4.29 x 2.6 x 1.26)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

Top-down view of the Canon EOS-M with 22mm F2.0 'pancake' prime lens.

Rear view of the Canon EOS-M (Silver)
Canon EOS-M with Speedlite EX-90 (included with the camera in most markets) Canon EOS-M shown wih EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens, using optional EF-EOS M mount adapter
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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

Look at this and be inspired. This is Canon's heritage in superb rangefinder cameras...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=canon+rangefinder&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=t6oNUPOoDcnL0QXctcmoCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFkQsAQ&biw=1189&bih=1158

I was sort of hoping for a digital version of some of those beauties. Olympus seem to manage it.

I see nothing to be inspired about with the EOS-M.

Comment edited 36 seconds after posting
1 upvote
Faintandfuzzy
By Faintandfuzzy (Jul 23, 2012)

No EVF/OVF? No thanks!

7 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon has about 10 other models with a viewfinder you can choose. Unlike the competition, Canon has successful product lines in so many categories that they don't need to put all their eggs in the mirrorless basket.

1 upvote
Brian Slater
By Brian Slater (Jul 23, 2012)

The only feature that is really missing from this camera is built-in anger/whine control. Judging by many comments here, that feature is sorely needed.

Other than that, the EOS-M seems to be a well-designed entry that will sell well to P&S upgraders, and current Canon lens owners who will be happy to have a smaller, lighter, cheaper second camera. Canon has achieved this by simply removing unnecessary features from the 650 that play to the strengths of the mirrorless format: portability, simplicity, and reduced cost.

Sooner or later, Canon will release an upgrade to the prosumer DSLR range (70D and/or 7D II) that will include an improved APS-C sensor (perhaps with some more MP, better DR, better noise control etc.). Following that they can reuse the same components in a second M series camera and sweeten the pot with EVF, articulated screen, and some anti-aggravation physical dials. Oh, and extra profit. They will take significant market share then too.

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
18 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@Brian Slater

Here, here!

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
1 upvote
Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

@Halocastle

It's "Hear Hear" actually.

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
5 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@Griff...yawn,

Pathetic.

2 upvotes
aaaja
By aaaja (Jul 23, 2012)

there are plenty of arguments that deal with what is presented 'NOW' - predicting a possible future is not really helpful. read them carefull and maybe understand the frustration of longtime Canon customers, hoping the brand they invested in will be a leader. $$$$$-in lenses, $$$$ in cameras - and this 'thing' should be a subject of pleasure for them. it is as if apple would start to come out with a a fone, able to store 10 fonennumbers and send some sms...i hope at canon there wiull be some guys still striving for High-end.

1 upvote
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@Griff…

Uh, no. The shout, "Hear, hear!”, was meant to call people's attention to the SPOKEN word--which didn't feel right to me--so I wrote, "here, here."

I should have written, "Read, read!"

Comment edited 26 seconds after posting
1 upvote
Brian Slater
By Brian Slater (Jul 23, 2012)

Actually, I think that many Canon customers, though certainly not all, will be pleased with the EOS-M. Many do not want to pay $1200 or more for a mirrorless camera, or to lug around extra features that they know they will rarely use. For example, many people are quite comfortable with multi-touch control.

And Apple itself has been very successful leaving off superfluous features and simplifying interfaces. Their products attract whiners and angry pundits too, but sell by the boatload.

I hope Canon will have a higher-specified option too. The best chance for that will follow success with the EOS-M. They are in business to make money, and approach leadership from that vantage point.

3 upvotes
zlatko
By zlatko (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree, Canon really blew it by not including the built-in anger/whine control. It would really help to quiet down all of the complaints on this forum. But complainers have to get angry and whine whenever Canon doesn't build the exact camera that they want at the the exact time that they want it, at the sweet low price that they want to pay. No matter how many cameras Canon builds, Canon will never do right by them.

4 upvotes
zlatko
By zlatko (Jul 23, 2012)

(oops, double-posted)

Comment edited 22 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (Jul 23, 2012)

As I see it, all cameras are great at a price point.
If there are unique features some ppl are willing to pay a hefty premium for that.

As I (and I guess some others) see it, this camera doesn't have that unique feature to warrant a premium price, and then the price tag seems high.

It is generally a "me too" camera, and those tend to compete with price. And this doesn't.

0 upvotes
fuego6
By fuego6 (Jul 23, 2012)

No P&S upgrader wants to spend $800 on a system with a fixed 22mm lens.. they want a kit lens that is the size of the pancake for that price - Canon will fail like Nikon has with this pointless camera.

1 upvote
G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 23, 2012)

Whilst I share the disappointment with this particular camera, Canon is definitely taking the right route for their customers here. They need to start out low as that's where the sales are, after comes the enthusiast/pro models. This base offers excellent compatibility with their DSLR system and it will just get better.

Meanwhile, us Nikon users don't even have it confirmed that a mirrorless APS-C sized camera is coming for our lens collections and have the tiny-sensored (but fast) 1 system offered to us for now. Imagine that!

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Fraxinus excelsior
By Fraxinus excelsior (Jul 24, 2012)

This camera is way behind Sony NEX. The lens adapter is a joke compared to Sonys with PDAF. So a EF-S lens on EOS-M will be unbearable slow compared to a Sony a-mount lens on a Sony NEX. No viewfinder is a big mistake. And the Sony 16 MP sensor is in a different league than the 18 MP Canon sensor.

Kind regards

D

0 upvotes
Lupti
By Lupti (Jul 23, 2012)

This camera is pointless...I don´t see a reason to get one over the competition...
- small dedicated lens selection(to be fair a problem other brands also have)
- slower than competition(AF, continuos shooting)
- no mic input(Sony NEX5N and NEX7 offer this, even cheaper Olympus cameras)
- basic movie mode(huge files, low quality)
- fixed display

So it´s just a large sensor Ixus on steroids for a ways too high price. This camera looks more like an entry model that should be priced at maximum 400 €/$.

4 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

Just one mistake, there is mic in, but otherwise, i agree.

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

I think of us were expecting the APS-C to be an evolution of the G series cameras. Then, there would be value. Yes, this looks build on an uninspiring IXUS platform.

1 upvote
George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Jul 23, 2012)

But hey ...do not be surprised if the sales figures proves you wrong ...again!

2 upvotes
UnChatNoir
By UnChatNoir (Jul 23, 2012)

This is a 650D with an Ixus interface. A Mercedes with a toy-steering wheel and plastic pedals.

Of course Canon is afraid to kill their serious DSLR sales. Just like Nikon is. They won't create a second track that people might consider over the DSLR's until one day everybody will do.

But the most glorious days of mirrors in camera's are being counted now. What it is missing on the EOS-M: true controls (iPhone-alike touch-screens are for gadget-freaks and P&S'ers, make true photographers only nervous), a serious EVF and preferably OVF (even the G-series has one). Oh, yes, than it's almost a DSLR. True.

And for those that complained over the Fuji-X lens offerings: where is Canon? Or are we - beside what is announced for the EOS-M - expected to screw mega-size DSLR-lenses into a fist-fitting camera?

For me it's a no brainer. No Canon.

4 upvotes
howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Appealing to a totally new market by using the touchscreens so many have grown up with and are infinitely more comfortable with than physical controls is a stroke of pure genius. The true test of the interface is in the pudding. When we see how it actually works, whether it is easy and intuitive or sluggish and impenetrible, then we'll know how good this camera is. The videos I've seen lead me to believe it is very responsive and Canon is known for excellent menus.
There's not much need for younger people to have an EVF or OVF. I love my 7D viewfinder, but I also love my G1 X LCD. Zero issues even in the midday summer sun in Dallas with visibilty. I honestly don't know what people are talking about when they say they'll need a shade to see the LCD in sunlight. Is my vision that much better than that of others?
The only real reason to have an OVF in a non-DSLR is to stabilize the camera against your face. I think Canon knows the older folks are happy buying DSLRs for this reason.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
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UnChatNoir
By UnChatNoir (Jul 23, 2012)

How strange it may seem, I've seen this before. I've been busy a lot with video as well. Even professional video cam's with tactile LCD's. Who likes them?

There is a big difference between a smartphone and a serious camera.

I'm sure there will be a market for those who already invested in Canon hardware, but others will think twice about this kind of offering. Buying big lenses and operate them as with an iPhone doesn't seem to be very advanced for me. True, than buy a DSLR you will say. Exactly: that's what Canon wants us to do. And this as a 'second system'. I'm not interested in this approach, it's just double dip.

0 upvotes
thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

@howardroark

You will have zero issues without the EVF or OVF? Really?

1 upvote
howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Yeah, really. Anti-glare coatings along with bright, high resolution LCDs are probably only affected by a reflection of the sun directly into your face. With an articulating LCD you can rotate it out of the way in the 1 out of 1,000 shots where that is an issue. I shot in the middle of a summer day and I don't ever recall having a thought about reflections being any kind of issue affecting my ability to use the LCD.

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thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

Do you use manual lens? or do you use manual focusing with some precision?

1 upvote
tosvus
By tosvus (Jul 23, 2012)

@howardroark. Well, since it doesn't have focus peaking, I guess few people will try to use MF, so that makes the EVF less applicable. EVF also gives you a contact point when taking pictures to help stabilize the camera further though.

1 upvote
thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

Maybe I am spoiled with the high res EVF in my NEX-7. But even with the high res LCD on my NEX-7, I often have trouble to make perfect focusing where I want with especially very shallow DOF shots. I am pretty young and have 20/20 vision. I guess you are lucky to have such ability. Good for you...

2 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 23, 2012)

Acoording to techradar,

'According to Canon UK's David Parry, Canon is aiming the EOS M at a new market - people who want to get a bit more from a camera than a compact model can offer them, without the complication or bulk of a DSLR. It's for people who want to take better pictures, but who don't necessarily consider themselves photographers or want to become photographers.

Parry doesn't think that the Canon EOS M will erode sales of the Canon G series of premium compact cameras, because these models have more direct controls with dials for features such as exposure compensation – which could put off inexperienced photographers.'

0 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

In the first sentence, you can replace Canon with Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung or Nikon. I love marketing press release :)

3 upvotes
UnChatNoir
By UnChatNoir (Jul 23, 2012)

Everybody's inventing markets now. But the slices are getting thinner and thinner.

0 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (Jul 23, 2012)

"Canon is aiming the EOS M at a new market"
How long is a market new ... ? Others have been amining at this market for years...

"because these models have more direct controls with dials for features such as exposure compensation – which could put off inexperienced photographers."

Whereas having the handbag full of lenses will not?
Agree with spidermoon, you gotta love the press ppl :D

1 upvote
Jote
By Jote (Jul 23, 2012)

""Canon is aiming the EOS M at a new market"
How long is a market new ... ? "

It's a new market for Canon

1 upvote
mick232
By mick232 (Jul 23, 2012)

Chicken and egg problem - most people will only understand the benefits of a prime lens after spending some time with an interchangeable lens system.

Newcomers will not buy that camera because it "just" has a 22mm lens instead of a handy zoom lens.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, it's good he mentioned the 'G' series, as that is the camera type I'd be hoping for in this line. I don't really understand the concept of 'eroding your own sales', when a customer gets one of your products anyway. Surely having people buy into an interchangable lens system is a good thing for Canon and better than any compact sale?

But then again, Apple, the model of a successful company, keeps their iPad dumbed down so people keep buying their laptops, too.

If I was a Canon user this might be a good sign from my future, but it wouldn't stop me going for a Nex or a M4/3 camera. Nikon made a similar mistake in keeping their mirrorless cameras dumb and now my second system is a Pen camera, which I love and get great results from.

If Canon wants to keep their lens-buying enthusiasts on board, they should probably offer something for them too, sooner rather than later. If they are anything like me, they've been waiting years to see if Canon would give them something they'd use.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 24, 2012)

Actually the iPad is a very focused device, and it is designed to eventually replace laptops for most people.

Unlike Canon, Apple isn't afraid to cannibalize their own sales as long as they are still the seller.

0 upvotes
mjkerpan
By mjkerpan (Jul 23, 2012)

Offhand, it looks like they got _almost_ everything right: 14-bit RAW, a proper hotshoe, a metal body, a fast pancake kit lens, on-chip phase detection (as well as contrast detection for those who value accuracy over speed), "support" for third party adapters, and an interface that's both simple for the newbies while offering plenty of manual control for those who know what they're doing. Two things give me pause, however. First is the fixed rear screen, which just plain seems cheap and which rather limits the flexibility of this camera in the field. Second as the lack of any sort of provision for an eye-level finder. While I can understand not including such a creature in the body (good electronic finders require expensive components and not everybody wants one), to not even have one as an option is a bit puzzling.

3 upvotes
bcalkins
By bcalkins (Jul 23, 2012)

Isn't it kind of useless to have an eye level finder on a camera with touchscreen control as its main interface?

0 upvotes
tosvus
By tosvus (Jul 23, 2012)

No focus peaking (I guess Manual Focus is not very important for their market)

No 1080p60, would have been nice to have....

Price seems really high to me.

I think they got the sensor right, and I like the pancake, though it feels like they are going for enthusiast market while hobbling it to avoid eroding to much of their own dslr market. Not sure if that will fly too well, but it being Canon, I'm sure it will sell pretty well nevertheless.

1 upvote
mick232
By mick232 (Jul 23, 2012)

As for "fast" kit lens.

Explain that to a newcomer to photography. "Fast lens? WTF are you talking about. I'll go for the NEX so I can zoom from 18 to 55mm".

Everyone understands the concept of zooming. No newcomer will understand what a fast lens is.

1 upvote
EmmanuelStarchild
By EmmanuelStarchild (Jul 23, 2012)

It's clear to me Canon leads ALL camera/lense manufacturers. What other manufacturer could possibly ellicit so many hateful/jealous comments from Nikon/Pentax/Sony camera users who wish they'd bought a Canon instead?

1 upvote
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Eh? Do you mean the comments here? Hmmmm ... I assumed it all was disappointed Canon users. You say its all fake?

2 upvotes
Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Jul 23, 2012)

Since digital time Canon has been leading player only in avoiding bringing technological advances to system cameras. (including this one)

Actually new real features (not few Marketing Pixels more) like sensor's dust cleaning, live view and in body stabilization were all brought by smaller players.
Big ones only take credit for advance.

0 upvotes
Fraxinus excelsior
By Fraxinus excelsior (Jul 24, 2012)

Right now it seems to me that Sony is leading the industry with better sensors and more innovative cameras. Remember that NEX was here some years ago. Before Canon even thought about an EOS-M. So lets instead say that Canon is behind the others.

Kind regards

D

0 upvotes
peacefrog33756
By peacefrog33756 (Jul 23, 2012)

Yada, Yada, Yada and blah, blah, blah! September/October will get here soon enough.

2 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jul 23, 2012)

In the USA, if you want the 18-55mm lens, the total system cost is $1,099.98. (Not including flash, etc.) That's just crazy.

3 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

Try to buy it in Sweden! With Swedish VAT. :) Then you can talk about crazy.

3 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 23, 2012)

It's about time Canon made one of these, but did they have to make it this ugly?
I will give them credit for not doing what "Samsung" A.K.A Copy master have done and just copy what Sony has done.

2 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 23, 2012)

@Boerseuntjie,
Could you explain what Samsung copied?
nex3 announced May 2010, NX100 Sept 2010
nex5 announced may 11 2011 nx200 Sept 2011
So you're saying that the day Sony announced their camera Samsung copied, it manufactured it and distributed it in 4 months.
Darn, they're quick!
I notice that all your gear is SONY.
Hmmm.

2 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

Not to mention that the Samsung cameras have flat-out stupendous interface. Best ergonomics I have ever found in a digital camera.

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 23, 2012)

Yes I do shoot Sony what do you use? the Samsung Galaxy S2?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Jul 23, 2012)

By Professor999 (2 hours ago)
@Boerseuntjie,
Could you explain what Samsung copied?
nex3 announced May 2010, NX100 Sept 2010
nex5 announced may 11 2011 nx200 Sept 2011
So you're saying that the day Sony announced their camera Samsung copied, it manufactured it and distributed it in 4 months.
Darn, they're quick!

Professor999 Samsung are more than capable of the 4 month turnaround. It's what they are really good at doing. They did it to Konica years ago with a top selling compact camera at the time. The Samsung sales rep came into the shop I was running and said "we will have our version out in a couple of months time and there will be more profit in it for you." The Konica at that point had been out for about 6 weeks. Sure enough within the 2 months the Samsung was out and was the only camera similar to the Konica.

A few months later they did it again when Konica brought out a top selling zoom compact camera. Samsungs answer was out within the 4 months.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 23, 2012)

Thanks Stu 5 my sentiment exactly that's what these two AT&T mobile phone salesmen don't understand.
Hey Gesture and Samsung Professor, what you should ask is why is it that Apple pulled Samsung into court over copy infringements?
Like I said "Copymaster"
Adding Wi-Fi to a camera does not make it flat-out stupendous what are you like 14 years old.....right on "dude"

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 23, 2012)

Samsung actually released a mirrorless camera before Sony: Jan 4th vs May 11th for Sony. So it's Sony who copied, and not Samsung.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 24, 2012)

Please fill me in buddy? What is the name of this amazing Samsung Camera?

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 24, 2012)

Samsung NX10

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 24, 2012)

Really Sony copied the Samsung NX10 when they made the Sony NEX???...OK that just shows me how stupid you are.
And for your info the NX10 is just a Panasonic G1 wannabe.
Like I said Copymaster Samsung has nothing new just copied
Sony did not have anything for them to copy at the time so they just copied Panasonic and if you think about it everyone copied Panasonic idiot

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

@Boerseuntjie,
you asked what I own, ok here goes,
Sony NEX 5n with 2 lenses plus k-mount adapter. Why?
Because I also own a Pentax K5 an Kr and too many lenses to mention.
Continuing,
I own a Canon 500d and half a dozen lenses.
And,
Panasonic GF1, GF2,Olympus EP2, EMP1 and OMD EM5 along with oly and panny lenses.
Oh yeah, I forgot I also own a Samsung EX1.
That must mean I'm a Samsung rep, salesman, fanboy, right?
Ohyeah, my phone is a nokia which cost 25 Euro and doesn't have a camera.
@Stu5
What you're saying is that a company enters an existing market and produces equally good if not better products many times at a better price creating wealth for the company and competition within the market which hopefully drives prices down and avoids a monopoly in the market.
This happens in all markets so why are you picking on Samsung?

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

Is Samsung being taken to court over their camera production?

So what you're saying is they respond to movement in a market and are efficient in competing in it. So, darn, they are quick, as I said.

And that's a problem?

Next Apple vs Samsung. Check out this link,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation

Apple is suing just about everyone. And you single out Samsung as it SEEMS to support your point.
Which it doesn't.

I'm not saying Sony copied Samsung but it's interesting that when a camera is released first by Sony Samsung must be copying it while if Samsung release first you say they're copying someone else.
Ok, Pansonic G1,a micro four thirds camera,
Samsung nx10, aps-c.
Completely different.

@Boerseuntjie,
By the way, when posters start insulting others without checking their facts and make mistakes we all know who's losing the argument.
And you really DO have a lot of Sony gear.
Hmmmm.
And NO I don't think you're a Sony fanboy.

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Jul 24, 2012)

Boerseuntjie,
Samsung was the first APS-C mirrorless camera manufacturer out there. You missed the point. Sony doesn't have any decent lens selection so far. The do have good bodies. But who needs good bodies without the lenses? I do also have Sony camera (R1), and like it, but for mirrorless I chose Samsung because of lens selection and a hot shoe. There was no NEX7 when I decided on Samsung, thus no hotshoe. I still think that Samsung is the best mirrorless camera manufacturer out there. They don't have an SLRs, so they don't care that their mirrorless will create a competition for their own SLRs, like Canon, Nikon, Pentax or Sony. It's either Samsung or Oly/Panasonic. And between those only Samsung has APS-C. Sony bought Minolta, but they don't know how to manufacture good lenses. Zeiss does it for them, but Zeiss is way too expensive.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 25, 2012)

Wow I'm a Sony "fan boy" and the Samsung has better lenses and Sony does not have any lens selection argument is getting a little old
Samsung was the "first" to make a mirrorless camera that just so happen to look just like a Panasonic copy and BTW Samsung did not invent the APS-C sensor but Sony was the first to put it in a compact design and look and behold Samsung copied.
Samsung and most other Korean manufactures in cars and electronics show little imagination or innovation but they are good at copying and that is a well known fact.
I have a few old film cameras in the basement but I don't see why I have to list them, nise colection of cameras professor999 your dick must be bigger than mine

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 25, 2012)

Boerseuntjie,
Your post,

'Yes I do shoot Sony what do you use? the Samsung Galaxy S2?'

You asked a question and I've given you the answer.

Not what you were expecting of course, so of course you fall back on insults again.

Your fellow Sony users will rightly be ashamed of you.

I said that you WEREN'T a Sony fanboy. Now YOU are saying you are.

I noticed that you didn't mention my second post which refuted your older post.

Also I forgot to mention I also own a Ricoh GRDIII.

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 25, 2012)

Wow!
A post without bashing Samsung.
Are you turning over a new leaf?

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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

Boring. Massively-underfeatured.

Is this really the best Canon can do after years of pondering on how to enter the mirrorless market?

Canon are now a slow lumbering giant. They have no agility. No ability to react quickly to changes in their market.

Canon currently have no clear class-leading camera in any market sector.

Unless they wake up and trim down and become agile again they are sunk.

Nobody got fired for buying IBM - remember that? Canon are becoming the IBM of the camera/photocopier sector.

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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

Pathetic.

Do you have any counter arguments here 'Halocastle' or did you just want to spit out your dummy and call me a 'Nikon Fanboy'?

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

So you're NOT a Nikon fanboy, hmm? We should just ignore your pro Nikon comments elsewhere? What, you just like to walk through Canon's snow, is that it?

Edit: Canon, sunk? How silly.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Jul 23, 2012)

And you should probably chill and stop calling people names

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@Griff...yawn,

You wrote, on another forum, “The D300/D300s is one of the best digital cameras Nikon has ever made.”

THAT PRO NIKON COMMENT, DUMMY!

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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

@locke_fc

Thanks for the advice.

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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

@halocastle

Not sure if you're trolling or you really are that stupid.

You mean if I say the D300 is one of the best cameras NIKON ever made then that's pro-Nikon?

Stupidity knows no bounds on dpreview!

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aaaja
By aaaja (Jul 23, 2012)

i agree 100 % - .

CANON used to be the Nr 1. the High-end. Instead of R+D in soemthing so redundent as the EOS-M (no future in this bajonett (no FF or even MF) - why would you mount a L Lense on such an item? - while a 650d can be a travveling light camera and offers so much more?

somebody wrote the days of mirriors ar counted. OF CORSE ! as ferraris are, spaceshuttels, the sun, IBM, Apple ... just be patient and/or live long enough ;-)

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@Griff...

I stand corrected. I apologize. I hear Canon users saying how much they admire Nikon cameras all the time, 'cause somehow they know.. and, for some reason, care.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (Jul 23, 2012)

My 1st. impression of the Canon EOS M is that it's a nice rethinking of the 650D/T4i without the mirror box and optical viewfinder. Canon has rightly put image quality and ease of use ahead of other considerations such as size and cuteness. I have no doubt that if there really is a growing market for ILC cameras, then this new Canon will sell like crazy. Also, there are enough differences in the feature set between this camera and the G1X to make the cameras appealing to 2 different types of end users, so they probably won't be stealing sales away from each other. The haters can hate all they want, but the bottom line is that the EOS M makes perfect sense as a product for the Canon brand.

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Griffo59
By Griffo59 (Jul 23, 2012)

Are paragraphs so unfashionable these days?

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Turnover81
By Turnover81 (Jul 23, 2012)

Why are paragraphs so important to you? Are you marking an english paper or what?

Look a paragraph, thats amazing!!!!

As for the camera, which is the point of this article, i'm guessing. I doubt i'll be buying it. I prefer an EVF instead of a screen, seems expensive for an upgraded p+s with changable lenses.

Think i'll be asking father christmas for a G5.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Jul 23, 2012)

I visualize it as a digital back for my 17 TS-E

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tom sugnet
By tom sugnet (Jul 23, 2012)

ugly design

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alfredo_tomato
By alfredo_tomato (Jul 23, 2012)

Why so negative about a product that hasn't been released, reviewed, and has not been handled by you or other enthusiast?

Wait for it to hit the market and you have a chance to see the camera in person before discounting it.

I have my issues with the camera like the strap lugs, but my first concern with any camera is IQ and AF speed. I will wait until I know more before I pass judgement.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

For IQ, it's the 650D sensor with Digic V, so the sample gallery of the 650D on dpreview give a good feeling about the quality. For AF, there is a preview on imaging resources, and i's slooow. The only mystery is the IQ of the 22mm lense.

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alfredo_tomato
By alfredo_tomato (Jul 23, 2012)

Slow is relative. For me slow is the 14~42 on my EPL-1.

The 22 is the most attractive feature for me.

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Zafar Kazmi
By Zafar Kazmi (Jul 23, 2012)

I am surprised noone is commenting on the new flash. This is a great pocket flash for 5D as a fill flash and remote commander.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

The 270ex cost the same than this tiny flash (i read somewhere thaht the EOS-M flash is 150$ alone), is about the same size, more powerful (NG27vs NG9) and have 90° bounce capability. The eos-m system is a not a cheap one :(

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (Jul 23, 2012)

wake me up when Canon introduces a Nex-7 competitor

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mick232
By mick232 (Jul 23, 2012)

May I call you Sleeping Beauty now? Because you sure are going to sleep for 100 years.

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Jan Kritzinger
By Jan Kritzinger (Jul 24, 2012)

To pull that off they're going to need to buy sensors from Sony.

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (Jul 23, 2012)

no built in flash? :-(

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

Seriously. If it's not going to have flash, give me manual controls like a PASM dial, exposure compensation dial, aperture dial and a shutter speed dial.

If it's not going to have any of that, then it is directed at the p&s market, and needs a built-in flash.

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hiplnsdrftr
By hiplnsdrftr (Jul 23, 2012)

Fuji X100, Leica X1, Sony Nex7 and Panasonic GX1 are all serious cameras, all have a built in flash. The point being, it keeps your large sensor compact camera... compact... and versatile.

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James70094
By James70094 (Jul 23, 2012)

JackM, it does appear to have manual settings and an onboard flash has always been disappointing.

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

James, you can operate the camera manually, but only through menus. I want dedicated dials or buttons, like on the Leica X2 or Fuji X-Pro1, etc.

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VJVIS
By VJVIS (Jul 23, 2012)

BORING, Next...

Apart from bringing down the price of other mirrorless cameras, this is a total waste of time, money and effort, but I am quite happy the prices of other mirrorless cameras will come down.

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Zafar Kazmi
By Zafar Kazmi (Jul 23, 2012)

+1. I am drooling for $300 cheaper OM-5 :)

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Forever Young
By Forever Young (Jul 23, 2012)

Boring, NEX

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

Give me this camera with a flush built-in 22/2.0 like the Fuji X100. Or an S1X.

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Jim Radcliffe
By Jim Radcliffe (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, it appears to be exactly what I expected Canon to produce. No viewfinder and not really pocketable unless you are using the kit lens and have a good sized pocket (for camera and cash).

It's good they used the APSC sensor but honestly, if I were going to mount a 70-200mm on anything the body would have be more substantial than this. What is the point of a small, mirrorless camera using EF lenses other than to please those who already have those lenses?

To me this seems to have been thrown together just so Canon can say they have a mirrorless "system". The entire design seems to be aimed at NOT having any impact on their DSLR line. I think Fuji has a better concept.

I'm sure it will be "perfect" for many who already have invested in Canon glass and those who are within the Canon fold.

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VJVIS
By VJVIS (Jul 23, 2012)

+1

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Jul 23, 2012)

In fairness it seems to be fairly congruent with Sony's strategy- APSC sensor in tiny body with clunky lenses. They did see the advantage of introducing it with the 22mm pancake though. Seems to have worked out for Sony.

I would also note that this is not the first time the crowds have dumped all over a product based on a press release. I see that the 40mm pancake so recently reviled on these boards now seems to be the the darling of the IQ lords.

I see this as the bottom of the line with potential to upgrade features if the niche pans out for them.

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree with all that Jim said

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Tom Barry
By Tom Barry (Jul 23, 2012)

My primary system is Canon, but this is not for me. I will not hold an interchangeable-lens camera as though I were inspecting a dirty diaper. The lack of provision for an electronic viewfinder is a deal-killer for me.

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Forever Young
By Forever Young (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon is my choice over all other brands as far as a DSLR is concerned, but Sony is my choice of mirrorless. I have invested a lot in Canon because of their superior DSLR lenses, and I think the kit lens of f/2 of this new camera and the APS-C format was a good choice, but the lack of electronic viewfinder and a range of native M mount lenses will turn many potential customers completely off, including myself. Sorry Canon, but I will continue to have two systems... Sony is way ahead of you in this field...

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Mach Schnell
By Mach Schnell (Jul 23, 2012)

No image stabilization, and no built-in flash? I don't understand. Why leave them out?

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Guspaz
By Guspaz (Jul 23, 2012)

No built-in flash is not uncommon for mirrorless cameras (the Sonys don't either), and the Canon does support IS lenses. The 18-55 kit lens has IS, and the EF/EF-2 adapter supports IS too.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

The 18-55 EF-M has IS. Canon does not build IS into their bodies. They have good reason not to. An optical element adjusting for angular changes is more effective than making adjustments strictly parallel to the plane of focus.

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (Jul 23, 2012)

But less effective for lenses that don't have it :) I find it hard to believe they left it out of the two new pancake lenses given how useful they would be for video... I find the IS on my E-M5 great for shooting video with primes.

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hiplnsdrftr
By hiplnsdrftr (Jul 23, 2012)

Very strange as NEX7, GX1, X1, X100 all have a built in flash... it keeps the camera small, is there if you need it.

I'm actually OK with the looks of the Canon M, I'm very happy about the lack of a gimmicky flip screen.

But the flashless design kills it for me.

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audijam
By audijam (Jul 23, 2012)

pretty amazing...but it....looks kinda ugly. LOL!!! can't wait to see a 85L mount on this thing : D

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Roberto Mettifogo
By Roberto Mettifogo (Jul 23, 2012)

yuppie ! another lens mount !!! ...

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jul 23, 2012)

So - what lens mount did you expect Canon to reuse?

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Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

We are into the "second cycle." There was a time (end of film era) when folks were using camcorders more than traditional cameras. Digital brought folks back to "cameras," especially as they became capable of quality video. The second wave are the camera phones-and, yes, in a public setting, I see more people taking pictures with their phones than with standalone cameras. Will the new compact system cameras (much better name, DPR) bring people back to cameras???

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jul 23, 2012)

They are two different markets.
The quality of phone camera is too bad even when compared with the compact cameras.
If picture quality is not your consideration, then it makes no difference.

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Guspaz
By Guspaz (Jul 23, 2012)

*dupe*

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Guspaz
By Guspaz (Jul 23, 2012)

The quality of the best smartphone cameras is on par with lower-end compact cameras. It helps that the sensor size isn't all that different between them, but also because high-end smartphone vendors are willing to spend a lot more money and R&D on the sensor; the tech there tends to be a lot more bleeding edge.

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Streetlight
By Streetlight (Jul 23, 2012)

Smartphone cameras do not have optical zoom. Of course they now have fairly large pixel counts (> or ~ 8 Mpixels), so digital zoom either in-camera or in-computer might not be as bad as it used to be. I'm waiting for a phone with at least 3x optical zoom.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jul 23, 2012)

I think Canon is on the right track and in the right direction to push their sales. It puts the quality APS-C sensor into a very pocketable camera. Now, we can use a small camera to capture high quality pictures.
The form factor of M43 is small but unfortunately the lenses available for M43 are very limited; and the sensor of M43 is too small! Before I saw this new Canon, I considered to buy a M43; but now I would not consider M43 anymore.
NEX5N is not bad but the range of Sony lenses cannot be compared with Canon.
Now, what I'm waiting is a similiar product from Nikon. It will be so good if there is a pocketable mirrorless APS-C camera from Nikon.

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Jul 23, 2012)

You must be kidding when you say that Micro 4/3 have limited lenses, Micro 4/3 have the best choice in cameras and lenses on the mirrorless market, and the sensor size is not much different, the latest Micro 4/3 cameras have the same image quality of any entry and mid level DSLR.

Just wanted to say this to those less informed.

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yortuk
By yortuk (Jul 23, 2012)

M43 currently has 30 or so lenses from five manufacturers, with new ones being introduced all the time. This new Canon only has two lenses. Of course there's a vast array of Canon lenses that can be used with the adapter, but then it's not really a compact camera anymore.

As for the sensor-size, that's certainly a valid point, but sensor size affects how small you can make the system, including lenses.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jul 23, 2012)

The reality is APS-C has a bigger sensor than M43... We all know that under the same technology, bigger pixel size will generate better image quality. Then APS-C sensor should produce better image quality than M43 (provided all other conditions are same).

Currently, there are several (but limited) lenses for M43 from different suppliers; but with duplicated focal length. I don't see in the foreseeable future, the range of lenses for M43 can be compared with Canon or Nikon.

Anyway, if you like M43 then you buy M43. For us, we like APS-C, then we buy APS-C.

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nico-foto
By nico-foto (Jul 23, 2012)

Sorry Edmond, but your rationale is flawed. Even if we forget about the over abundance of slow kit lenses in the m43 camp, we still have a bunch of high quality lenses squarely aimed at the enthusiast market:

Pana 7-14 f/4
Pana 12-35 f/2.8 weather sealed (and upcoming 35-100 2.8 weather sealed)
Pana 14 f/2.5
Pana 20 f/1.7
PanaLeica 25 f/1.4
Oly 9-18
Oly 12 f/2
Oly 45 f/1.8
Oly 75 f/1.8

With this canon offering you have...what, 2 lenses? And we have no idea what the lens roadmap is like, but because of Canon's statement of this system being aimed at people that "do not consider themselves photographers", it could well be a slew of boring slow zooms. Maybe you say canon and nikon have more lenses because you can mount existing DSLR lenses using an adapter...but then, what's the benefit of the compact system camera? Why would I invest in a mirrorless system just to mount a full frame dslr lens in it? I'd rather use a proper DSLR body...With the benefit of adequate balance and handling

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Thomas Kachadurian
By Thomas Kachadurian (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon doesn't even make a lens equal to the 7-14 for the ef mount. Their 50f1.4 is a joke compared to the pan Leica 25f1.4. You should make blanket statements when you don't know what you are talking about.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jul 24, 2012)

It is a shame for only 9 non-certified "high quality" lenses!
Are they really high quality? Questionable!
I prefer those big manufacturers with experience in making real professional lenses in broadcasting and movie industries.

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calvinboy24
By calvinboy24 (Jul 23, 2012)

Don't really care about the specs really, nitpicking over this vs. its other like competitors barely registers a difference in the photo output the way I shoot and edit.

I just like the idea that I can use my existing EF lenses on it via the adaptor. I just hope the adaptor can allow full control of the lens. My understanding is that the Nikon adaptor for SLR lenses is limited.

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Rickard Hansson
By Rickard Hansson (Jul 23, 2012)

The nikon adapter is limited to only work with AF-S or AF-I lenses with built-in focus motor because the nikon adapter does not have built in focus motor.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 24, 2012)

There is manual focus too...

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Jul 23, 2012)

Well done Canon for sticking with APS-C format, I think the last 12 months have proved to Canon that this was/is the correct route. Canon have never been keen on the 4/3 format and must have seen what a DISASTER the Nikon 1 (cause they've only sold 1) format has been for Nikon.

Gonna get me one soon as......

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 23, 2012)

The Nikon 1 is a big seller for Nikon, and is #7 on Amazon for all CSCs. It's also the only mirrorless worth anything for AF tracking with Nikon implementing PDAF, something no other ILC was able to do in their years of existence. Now Sony has released a compact with a CX format sensor, which like the Nikon 1 is extremely competitive with other ILCs for IQ. I bet more companies wish for DISASTERS like the N1 launch.

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Lardinio
By Lardinio (Jul 23, 2012)

I applaud Canon for having the guts to use an APS-C sensor in their mirrorless. I've been using Nikon for years and was appaled at their overpriced lump of sub micro 4/3's uselessness that they spewed onto the market with the launch of the Nikon 1. I still have yet to find a decent review of their product and even with the prices coming down have found no reason to purchase one. I'm not a 'pro' shooter, but I want a decent sensor, manual controls etc. I will NEVER invest in their CX format, but will remain loyal to Nikon for the DSLR's. Canon may have made a mistake by dumbing down their initial offering (it's hardly inspiring), but at least they have a good sensor and the right size to attract a decent audience. In my mind this is a great solution for those potential canon shooters who don't like the bulk of a DSLR but want optical performance and a system they can grow into. Nikon 1 users have no migration path at all. Stoopid.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Jul 23, 2012)

Vision required

This camera is a shame for a long established company. We all need innovation not a me too product. Financial markets are going down - so will the "old" style camera makers. The next two years will be interesting. In this Canon business case, buy the new BenQ arrival - just an example. Does more - and later you might throw it away with less anger. Or just take your present cameras from the shelve - and make pictures.

Who really needs now such a camera <EOS-M>? Does the M stand for mediocre?

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

What passes for "vision" around here is what I call pointless gimmickry. Adding features for the sake of adding features leads to a fragmentation of a market segment that has less to do with image/video quality, usability, or flexibility than it has to do with marketing to those easily lured in by things that are different, new, or perceived as exciting. Put those things into practice and I'd bet most of them are never even used. Canon makes novel point and shoots and serious cameras, but the one thing they are known for is trying to tip the balance in favor of actual image quality. The implimentation of this touch screen could be as big as the use of the click-wheel on the iPod as far as usability. Reviews and hands-on accounts will tell the tale. You've jumped to a conclusion that is based on a little black box rather than a functioning camera that is yet to be tested out here in the real world.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Jul 23, 2012)

Vision is not a gimmick. I would just be happy to have dynamic range, not by merging three shots in camera or Post Processing. Just take a picture and it is close to human vision. That's all. Why do we have Photoshop post engineering nightmare - because of hardware manufacturers like the Big Names fail.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

The human eye evolved over millions of years (or was created by an all-powerful being or both, depending on your belief system) and digital imaging technology has been around for a few decades and only about one of those decades has it been commercially available. The dynamic range of the human eye is a feat of electrochemical engineering and reflects our biological need to survive. Cameras don't keep us alive in the wild, and if they did you'd see a lot more investment in their advancement. Also, dynamic range on a semiconductor is limited by physics....the vision you're looking for in terms of increasing dynamic range will come through major breakthroughs in material science and physics, not in the evolution of cameras from one generation to the next. JUST taking a picture that is close to human dynamic range is a long way off just in technological ability and even further off in commercial viability.

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BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jul 23, 2012)

Uh, Thomas, hello, anybody in there?

This is Canon's FIRST mirror-less EOS camera, which means, at present, they’re the last to make one, so how can it NOT be, as you put it, "a me too product," hmm?

Were you expecting them to rewrite the ENTIRE mirror-less paradigm with their first camera--what, by adding an MP3 player or a bottle opener, maybe?

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Jul 23, 2012)

The last got the best chance.

I fully agree with the scientific analysis. But Canon is a huge commercial enterprise, not a lab with public funding. You must expect them to offer something truly competitive in the marketplace. Like Apple desperately tries with the next phone (Welcome Samsung?). Evolution is right for the past. Today we need more faster (Moore’s law) and human minds are able to invent and develop. For USD 600 up whatever in this case – I expect much more. Not another … wait and see – good try. Nice PowerPoint in the marketing. I spend my money to get better products – just as I have to deliver more in less time. And such a conglomerate as Canon should be able to supply true innovations. Or if they do not - they might wave to the rust belt of cameras. Others will take over the job gladly (greetings to the dangerous future of the next boring IPhones or Canons if they do not change).

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

The advancement of optics is not subject Moore's Law. Dynamic range is also not subject to Moore's Law. Moore's Law isn't a law, either. Law or rule of thumb that may or may not come to an abrupt end on any given day, it still only applies to the speed, size, and cost of computer chips.
Using the human eye as the benchmark by which a camera's dynamic range is judged is like using the human brain as a benchmark to judge a PC. Oh, computers are fast and can do things that would take us ages to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath for a computer that can think or laugh at a joke.
Canon can't produce an entirely new manufacturing method or imaging science every camera generation. And the advancement required for what you want will likely take decades of research and developement done by labs and universities around the world. Technology isn't magical. No wand waving.

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rsf3127
By rsf3127 (Jul 23, 2012)

I think that Canon is thrusting the brand's name to justify the price point for this camera.

There are better options on the market. Some of them almost 2 years old.

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Guspaz
By Guspaz (Jul 23, 2012)

I'm amused that you can tell which cameras are "better" than this one when nobody has actually reviewed the thing yet. You're making judgements before we even know rather important things like image quality.

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rsf3127
By rsf3127 (Jul 23, 2012)

1. Same old sensor.
2. No Vf (not even optional).
3. Big
4. No sweep panorama
5. fixed LCD

And so on. But it is a Canon...

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BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jul 23, 2012)

@thx1138, whatever...

By "same old sensor," were you referring to the brand new one with hybrid A/F developed for the T4i…the brand new “same old one,” that one?

Get outta here, ya Sony fanboy!

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree, Micro 4/3 with Panasonic Lumix and Olympus, have more good choices both on cameras and lenses, and it is a mature and good system.

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rsf3127
By rsf3127 (Jul 23, 2012)

@bc....

It seems you like Canon gear a lot. Try to see things as they really are.

Sony fanboy...if that was possible.

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

@rsf3127

I know BCMAR15. He does like Canon, as do I. He is also an adult, which is why he never goes onto a Sony, Nikon, or Pentax press release or forum to post derogatory comments or recommend against one brand or another. It’s one thing to talk up a brand (or defend it); it’s another to talk it down. There is a place and time for everything.

This place is for talking up Canon.

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Ross Murphy
By Ross Murphy (Jul 23, 2012)

really, would any one like some cheese and crackers with their whine ?

this should produce some great images in a very small package, probably the best for its size, its not for every one, but at least wait to judge, could be really nice. I will certainly hold my judgment till its out in force, could be a great little back up camera, which is what I would like with my 5D3.

Ross

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JackM
By JackM (Jul 23, 2012)

I will wait until more fast pancake primes are available before I consider this camera, as they are the only lenses worth using on such a camera. The bulky zooms make these types of cameras no more portable than a Rebel.

Also no PASM dial is an insult. Give me that plus a shutter speed dial and/or an exposure compensation dial. It is odd that my S100 has more direct manual controls than this camera.

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Sergiusbr
By Sergiusbr (Jul 23, 2012)

Maybe PASM and other dials in the more advanced models to come? hope so. This model is just the beginning of the Canon Mirrorless system. Not for me.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree on the primes and Canon makes better lenses compared to Sony's. Zooms pretty defeats the purpose of the camera. And if you need the zooms, there's the NEX or m4/3s system. How come there's no forecast yet of lenses for this system?

I'm pretty confident there will be a model with a built-in or attachable EVF in the future, like in a year after many has bought this.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 24, 2012)

JackM:

So that F2.0 22mm lens isn't fast enough or prime enough for you? That would mean that a full frame F2.0 35mm lens wouldn't be a good lens in your estimation--odd.

If you have specific knowledge of Canon using poor quality glass and design features in this 22mm F2, please share your sources and information.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Can I just say that in less than 12 hours this story has gotten a huge amount of attention. That says to me everyone was wondering what Canon would do whether they were fans of Canon or haters, and that leads me to believe Canon still sets a tone in the market place with every move that it makes.
Here's what I see when I look at this camera: hot shoe means they want to give you professional flexibility while at the same time giving you a small flash in the box if that is sufficient; they're saving space with the touchscreen which will be usable in full sunlight just like their other LCDs leaving those wanting a real viewfinder to the DSLR market; full compatibilty with their entire line of lenses on day one with the somewhat reasonably priced adapter; large sensor means at the moment they are keeping this camera up in the range of their current DSLRs rather than shooting for the smallest size possible. I love my G1 X and I won't be selling it. Still, very interesting balance.

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Anstef
By Anstef (Jul 23, 2012)

After the G1-X now the EOS-M. Canon marketing completely lacks creativity and they will create confusion among consumers versus the excellent M43 Panasonic GX-1 and Olympus OM-D EM-5. This camera seems very expensive for what it offers.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Jul 23, 2012)

No, sorry Canon are only doing what Canon will to protect its share of the market. I do however agree with your views on the G1X - as a Canon owner I feel its way over priced, very plastic and not nice to use. However the picture quality is good. Let's see if Nikon do a second gen Nikon 1 now or introduce another mirror less system to compete. Last point - Canon have track record of introducting new kit at a very high price point which then falls over time, then again which manufacture doesn't ????

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Very plastic? One of the few point and shoots with a magnesium body is plactic? The thing is built like a tank and is a breeze to use. The picture quality isn't good, it's great. The G1 X competes for the attention my 7D previously had a monopoly on. The EOS-M is the G1 X with a biggger sensor and a lens mount....or a smaller 650D. Either way, they aren't pandering to amateurs here, they're giving pros and amateurs a serious camera. Good for them.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 23, 2012)

But don't enthusiasts want dials and buttons and PASM mode knobs?

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

People want something that works. Stubborn mules want things to stay the same forever and refuse to even make an attempt to utilize new methods and technologies, even when those changes could lead to an improved experience and product.

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jon404
By jon404 (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, I have an Olympus XZ-1, so I guess I'm the upgrade target consumer for this thing.

But for the price -- which is a fair amount of money -- I'd much rather spend a little more and move up to a Pentax K-30.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 23, 2012)

XZ-1 and K-30 are excellent cameras. Sounds like a fine plan. Cheers.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jul 23, 2012)

I think it's pretty clear that pros and super advanced fan/enthusiasts won't being buying this camera. That leaves everybody else. And then Canon can add another model at Photokina which, given what this one lacks seems virtually certain.

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Fabio Amodeo
By Fabio Amodeo (Jul 23, 2012)

The two bigs, Canon and Nikon, are frightened by the idea of losing the DSLR/lenses holy grail. So they both introduced crap mirrorless for compact users upgrading. Boh. Compact users don't upgrade: they buy phones, that can post their images instantly. Serious photographers upgrade. I see very good times for Nex series, Fuji X and m43. The giants are giving them a strong hand.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 23, 2012)

Everyone are afraid of something. Sony is afraid of loosing video market (hence none of their SLRs got clean HDMI output stream), Nikon and Canon are afraid of loosing DSLRs, Olympus and Pentax are afraid of... well: death. Life isn't easy.

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Ren Kraaijeveld
By Ren Kraaijeveld (Jul 23, 2012)

rangefinder style mirrorless , Canon calls it, just forgot rangefinder

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Streetlight
By Streetlight (Jul 23, 2012)

Ya! Where's the viewfinder? Would it be impossible to include a digital viewfinder to get nearly exact view of what's to be photographed with the usual data - shutter, aperture, ISO, etc? For outdoor shooting with a long lens, this seems a critical failure by Canon not to include a viewfinder. I guess a compromise would be a rangefinder.

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Panasonicus
By Panasonicus (Jul 23, 2012)

I used Canon DSLRs for a number of years and wanted to downsize to save weight and space, especially when travellng on airlines that restrict you to micro-cases. I opted for a Panasonic G3 because I wanted something that looked like a SLR and had a viewfinder as well as a LCD screen that swivelled and tilted. I was thinking I might return to Canon if they came out with something like the Panny but the EOS-M is no way going to lure me back. What IS the point of thsi camera? It is just a T4i without a lot of the advantages, especially a viewfinder. Now there is a G5 as Panasonic continues to pull ahead and attract Canon and Nikon fans wanting the same quality and decent variety of lenses but in a much smaller and lighter package.

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alexst4
By alexst4 (Jul 24, 2012)

I am long term Nikon user (using a mix of full frame and DX bodies now) and have to agree with you. I bought a Panasonic GF3 just because it was so darn cheap and offer great image quality for its size. A few days later I bought 4 more lenses for it....
Micro 4/3 is the best mirrorles format as of right now.

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NiallM
By NiallM (Jul 23, 2012)

Maybe Canon are underestimating the market competition a little too much...

Even if this one is clearly designed for the not-too-fussed masses, if i was a newbie in a camera store i'd be more excited by the latest 'enthusiast' compact offerings from Pana, Sony and Samsung, or the now lower prices of the Sony C3, Fujifilm X100 or even the Pentax Q....

The serious/bitter & twisted photogs will not like this but they're a minority so Canon couldn't give a toss..this will sell sell sell..

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KevinD65
By KevinD65 (Jul 23, 2012)

Cameras like this make sense for APS-C landscape shooters who want something lighter and smaller than a DSLR for backpacking. I own a Nikon D7000 with 5 lenses, and have an OM-D on order, but I don't like the idea that I'll then have to be switching back and forth between 2 different sensor sizes / lenses and having to be thinking about 2 different crop factors all the time.

I wish Nikon would do this too. I'd like to have a Nikon-made mirrorless APS-C sensor camera that gives me full functionality with existing lenses.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 23, 2012)

"Cameras like this make sense for APS-C landscape shooters" - they actually don't. Lack of UWA choice mixed with mostly poor viewfinders and various other issues make them usually worse then DSLRs cameras. (although good photographer obviously will make great shots with anything that delivers acceptable image quality)

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dennis mol
By dennis mol (Jul 23, 2012)

The NEX F3 is selling for $600 with a kit zoom lens. If I were stepping up from a p&s why would I pay $800? - $200 more for this canon with a fixed lens?

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

Because of the nice strap with EOS marked on it and Canon name on body ? :) If only there is a 35mm f2 native pancake for Sony. If i want to go to mirrorless it's mainly for small size body and lenses.

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sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (Jul 23, 2012)

A nice example of how consumer marketing works, transparant as it might be.

First they feed us the dumbed down version, followed by a "now with b-i-flash" upgrade. Wait another couple of months and we get the articulated lcd and so on...

This way Canon sells the same camera 3 times where they just as easy could have made a complete camera square one.

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Ren Kraaijeveld
By Ren Kraaijeveld (Jul 23, 2012)

by far the most ugly and non inspiring mirrorless .

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ryansholl
By ryansholl (Jul 23, 2012)

Nope. Pentax gets that trophy.

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marike6
By marike6 (Jul 23, 2012)

I was messing with the K-01 at B&H the other day, it's actually much nicer in person. It's really well made (except for the rubber port flap) and it has a beautiful LCD with focus peaking. And it works with all K-mount lenses without an adapter.

The Q is a beautiful camera. Of course aesthetics are subjective. But if they made a Q with a 1" sensor, and add on EVF, I'd buy it in a flash. Enough plastic cameras, more solid metal ones like the Q and K-01.

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AD in KC
By AD in KC (Jul 23, 2012)

This looks fantastic!

I love the ring around the shutter button, the hotshoe, the new mount, the big sensor, the filter threads on the lens, the adapter for EF lenses. Even the look of it is awesome. It's like the best of Sony's NEX-5 WITH Canon lenses! Sure a viewfinder would be nice, but it's more compact without, so all is good.

I don't know why people will bitch and moan about every new everything. I mean I was not happy the G-X (or whatever it is) didn't accept filters, because in my mind, I don't want to always have to fool with a damned lens cap - so I didn't buy one!

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Richt2000
By Richt2000 (Jul 23, 2012)

The ring around the shutter button is not a ring. It's a redundant mode switch.. If only it was customisable ring it would change my opinion greatly on this cam.
Oh, they would have to improve AF speed by a gazillion times also - It is worse a 4 year old EP-1!

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thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

This camera is clearly lacking many features that other mirrorless cameras are already offering with less price. So... it is ok to bitch about it.. I guess..

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

I bitch and moan about the price. 800$ + 200$ adapter + 150$ flash for complete system = 650D. twice the price of a e-pm1 with kit zoom, 200$ more than nex F3 with kit, same price than a samsung nx1000.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

Looks like an expanded version of their compact cameras with a great sensor. Much like the Sony NEX series. I give Canon credit for understanding that a new mount was necessary and offers many advantages/opportunities. I wish Pentax had done this with the K-01. If you going to eliminate the optical viewfinder, give something back in terms of size and other functions.

Successor models can have more controls. etc.

On the other hand, it would be great if Nikon went the other route, compact SLR form with EVF like Panasonic G/GH and Samsung NX5/10/11/20.

I've used both MFT and APS-C and the more compact cameras with APS-C the better.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 23, 2012)

Only difference being that NEX actually isn't an expanded version of compacts...

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Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

Looks like an expanded version of their compact cameras with a great sensor. Much like the Sony NEX series.

Looks like an expanded version of Canon's compact cameras with a great sensor, and it looks much like the Sony NEX cameras.

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chriscotec
By chriscotec (Jul 23, 2012)

I am a professional, long term dedicated Canon user. I have been using Panasonic GH2 cameras where video is important and compact/light cameras are a must. I was waiting eagerly for a Canon mirror-less camera but I have to say, using the EOS 650 sensor is starting behind where Panasonic (and others) were almost 2 years ago.

I have the new EF 40mm pancake lens and, although it is really impressive optically, it sounds like an industrial robot and would be useless for video with an on camera mic. All of my Panasonic stepping motor lenses put this to shame in video applications. Considering Canon led the professional SLR/DSLR market for so many years you would think they would have the resources to launch a benchmark mirror-less system, especially after waiting so long. This is not it!

I know the EOS-M is not a professional camera but some of their competition at similar prices can be used professionally. I love my EOS 5D Mk III but, for mirror-less, bring on the Panasonic Lumix GH3!

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

You heard that Canon is making STM lenses now, right? I'm just informing you that they are paying attention to video shooters.

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree, let's see the GH3 now, it must be a great camera, the GH2 still is a good one, this new should be great, and the G5 recently launched have a full digital sensor like the Panasonic Lumix GH cameras

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John Usa
By John Usa (Jul 23, 2012)

I will never buy this camera system, I do not like anything about it.
Canon needs new thinkers and designers very quickly as they are not progressing to advance and compete with other companies.
Canon seems to be in trouble as even their new T4i system is having a lot of issues with quality control and production issues.
Somebody up the hierarchy is doing a very poor job at Canon.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

This website DESPERATELY needs a "dislike" button in the comments section. Why are websites such optimists opting only for a "like" button?

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