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Canon EOS M: hands-on preview of Canon's first mirrorless EOS

By dpreview staff on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:00 GMT
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Canon has, as expected, announced the EOS M - its first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i, the EOS M is the first model to use a new, smaller 'EF-M' lens mount. It is launched alongside two EF-M lenses that use STM stepper motors optimized for use with the camera's hybrid AF system. As we've seen before in the mirrorless sector, the EOS M is predominantly aimed at the point-and-shoot upgrader market looking for DSLR quality and makes greater use of a 650D-style touch-screen interface. We've been using the EOS M for a little while and have prepared a preview, looking in more detail at Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera and how it handles.

UPDATE. We've recently updated this preview with our own images of the camera, having initially used those provided by Canon. We've also added more information about the camera and screenshots of its touch interface, so if you read our initial preview shortly after publication it's worth having another look. 

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Press Release:

DSLR-quality images at your fingertips: Canon launches the small and simple EOS M

London, UK, 23 July 2012 – Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The company’s first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions – from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canon’s renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite – the Speedlite 90EX – providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

The quality of a Canon DSLR

Print your favourite moments in poster-size or crop your image for maximum impact – whether shooting the atmosphere of your favourite club or the intricate stitching of the latest must-have handbag – thanks to the EOS M’s high-resolution, 18 megapixel APS-C hybrid CMOS sensor. The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact.

With the inclusion of Canon’s DIGIC 5 processor, colours ‘pop’ and skin tones are beautifully natural, whilst a super-fast shutter allows you to capture split-second action. The atmosphere of evening shoots and challenging night-time scenes are also easily recorded in stunning detail thanks to the EOS M’s sensitive native ISO range of 100- 12,800 (extendable to 25,600).

For pin-sharp shots and professional-looking footage, this new design features a Hybrid AF System that supports super-fast, accurate AF when shooting stills and movies – allowing you to record any moment with confidence.

Shoot what you see and easily express your creative vision

Every aspect of the EOS M has been designed to make it simple to capture beautiful, creative, high-quality images. From the very first swipe across the bright, high- resolution, 7.7cm (3.0”), Clear View LCD II Touch screen, the EOS M gives you as much or as little control over your photos as desired. Simply select different shooting modes and settings via the on-screen icons, or let Scene Intelligent Auto adjust the camera settings according to the subject and shooting conditions, leaving you free to focus on composition and selecting the perfect moment to hit the shutter release button.

EOS M users can shoot with the confidence that comes from having the world's most comprehensive photographic system behind them. Whether you want to capture every detail of a close-up or zoom in to frame a subject in the far distance, any one of Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses can be connected via the new

Mount Adapter EF-EOS M for photographic flexibility.

With one of Canon’s Speedlite flash units, you can also explore creative lighting techniques to add an extra level of interest to your shots. Alternatively, create unique images with a range of Creative Filters like Toy Camera effect, Grainy B&W or even a filter that mimics the distortion of a fish-eye lens. The filters can be applied before the shot is captured, with the result previewed in Live View, allowing you to experiment with different effects before selecting the perfect treatment for your final image.

Turn film-maker with EOS Movie and Video Snapshot

When a moment calls for more than a still image, the EOS M lets you switch easily to Full HD video with stereo sound for superb results. Video Snapshot mode also helps family and friends avoid long home movie viewing sessions, guiding you to create exciting movies in-camera, with a professionally edited feel.

Extending the EOS System with dedicated accessories

In addition to compatibility with Canon’s existing EF lenses1, accessories and Speedlites, the EOS M launches with its own bespoke range of compact accessories. Two new EF-M lenses offer portability and high performance when using the new model – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom and the
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake lens. Both feature new Stepper Motor technology for exceptionally smooth AF performance, as well as precision Canon optics, while their compact designs offer the perfect form-factor to complement the camera’s pocket-sized body.

Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects.

EOS M – key features

  •  The quality of a digital SLR in a compact body

  •  Scene Intelligent Auto

  •  Be versatile with interchangeable lenses

  •  Create out-of-focus backgrounds for high impact

  •  Easy-to-use touch-screen

  •  Atmospheric photos in low light

  •  Full-HD video with Video Snapshot Mode

1 Via Mount Adaptor EF-EOS M

Canon EOS M specifications

Price
MSRP$799.99 with 22mm lens, €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens, €1049/£949 with 18-55mm + 22mm lenses, €979/£879 with 22mm lens + EF adapter
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB,Adobe RGB
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points31
Lens mountCanon EF-M
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night
  • HDR Backlight Control mode
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer
Continuous drive4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E12 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)230
Weight (inc. batteries)298 g (0.66 lb / 10.51 oz)
Dimensions109 x 66 x 32 mm (4.29 x 2.6 x 1.26)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

Top-down view of the Canon EOS-M with 22mm F2.0 'pancake' prime lens.

Rear view of the Canon EOS-M (Silver)
Canon EOS-M with Speedlite EX-90 (included with the camera in most markets) Canon EOS-M shown wih EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens, using optional EF-EOS M mount adapter
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Photographer_C
By Photographer_C (Jul 24, 2012)

I'm waiting for a professional mirrorless camera from Canon, Nikon or Sony even if it will use an existing lens mount ( the way Canon used EF mount for Canon EOS Cinema cameras ) or a new mount.

2 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

Sony NEX 7 & Olympus OM-D EM-5 await for you :)
Unless you mean camcoder - then there's FS-100 and FS-700 (featuring 4k video with soon-to-be-released free firmware upgrade) from Sony.

3 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 24, 2012)

If you're happy using an existing lens mount then why not just get a DSLR or SLT? As the Pentax K01 shows you that doing a mirrorless using a traditional mount makes almost no size difference compared to small DSLRS.

0 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

@ Andy Crowe,
Re mirrorless vs DSLR.
Compare the flagship K5 to the K01 here,
http://camerasize.com/compare/#187,285
Or the more recent K30
http://camerasize.com/compare/#327,285
I'd say there's quite a difference.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 24, 2012)

There is exactly one mirrorless camera which can be used in "professional" context (where "non-professional" cameras cannot) - and only barely, with some extra equipment. If your work requires weather sealing, viewfinder, long battery life (or ability to shoot on one battery while another is dead), good image quality (even without flash), high sequential shooting speed, choice of accessories - you can use Olympus E-M5+battery holder+Panasonic 12-35/2.8. But the total cost is going to be $2600 (in the US). Thanks to the overpriced Panasonic 12-35, it is not even economical, just lighter. Sony A77+16-50/2.8 can be had for $2000, without a battery holder though.

0 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

"There is exactly one mirrorless camera which can be used in 'professional' context" - I'm afraid you've missed something....

0 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 24, 2012)

@Professor999 I said small DSLR, the K5 and K30 are not the smallest DSLR available. The K01 is, apart from the viewfinder hump, virtually identical in size and weight to the K-r

http://camerasize.com/compare/#210,285

0 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

@Andy Crowe,
re

http://camerasize.com/compare/#210,285

The Kr, truly a small DSLR is still
TWENTY THREE percent taller and
FIFTEEN percent thicker
And SEVEN percent heavier
than the K01
Thank you for helping me make my point.

0 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 25, 2012)

@Andy Crowe

I noted you said "small DSLR" in your OP so no problem from me there but re:the K-01......is there any past/present DSLR that is smaller than the K-01? Surely that alone makes the K-01 a small body.

0 upvotes
cruz031
By cruz031 (Jul 24, 2012)

A first digital camera from Canon that will allow use of legacy FD glass without sacrificing quality. Expect price inflation of FD lenses :-D

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

Most of interesting glass was already bought by NEX users. ;)

3 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 24, 2012)

What does the scouter say of this new camera?

IT'S OVER 1000!

.

5 upvotes
JohnGee
By JohnGee (Jul 24, 2012)

Will my my m4/3 adapter for my c-mount lenses work on this? As well as my other M4/3 lenses?

0 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

Very doubtful. Even if - there won't be any control over the lens from camera.
It's not an open bayonet like Sony's NEX E or m4/3 to freely create any adaptors with proper electronics.

1 upvote
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

On a side note: There are adapters with contacts for EOS lenses, so there isn't really a need to bother with EOS M for Canon users. You can just get NEX or m4/3 body and the lenses will work.

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 24, 2012)

The flange distance is identical to the NEX's E Mount, so any adapter currently available for NEX will be possible including EOS-M to m4/3, however the only m4/3 lenses that will be usable are manual lenses like the Voigtlander f0.95 unless someone manages to create an ultra-thin electronic adapter (unlikely to be practical).

0 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Jul 24, 2012)

No doubt the image quality and lenses will be of the usual high standard but no optical viewfinder and a plethora of 'features' such as the ridiculous touch screen.
Shame on Canon for producing another gimmick ridden toy.

1 upvote
thx1138
By thx1138 (Jul 24, 2012)

I agree that lack of VF is a huge mistake on one hand, but clearly Canon are not targeting the typical advanced DSLR user with this release. They are after those wanting to move up from a P&S. Now that still doesn't excuse the lack of VF, but I would be surprised if they don't follow this up with a more advanced body next year. I'm not upset at this stage as I bought an OM-D which is for advanced users. But in the future I would like to see Canon offer a complete system of lenses and range of camera models based on this mount. Certainly would be a more affordable than Fuji's X1 pro system.

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Brian Slater
By Brian Slater (Jul 24, 2012)

Image quality and lenses are the reasons why Canon remains the top camera maker. And "ridiculous" touch screens are used daily by hundreds of millions of people as the method of choice for interacting with personal electronics. Canon's interface may be the best touch screen yet on a camera.

When most people are complaining about the lack of features it is hard to understand how the EOS_M is "gimmick ridden".

2 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Jul 24, 2012)

But touchscreens are useless on cameras. Try, for example, holding the camera in one hand, setting the focal point with the other hand and taking the snap. All you're likely to get is blur unless you're lucky.
I've never heard anyone complain of lack of features but I've heard plenty of people say that they would like to get back into photography but can't stand modern digital cameras due to all the gimmicks.
People who like 'feature rich' cameras are well catered for but there are few photographic tools out there at present. Even the fabulous D800 isn't entirely gimmick-free. One day the manufacturers might wake up and produce a digital FM or similar.
Canon could have redressed the balance with this camera but they have failed.
DPReview should mark cameras down if they include useless features.

0 upvotes
Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 31, 2012)

@gsum - R u not capable of reading anything. There are the numerous hands-on videos for you gen-Youtube types.

A single touch on the touchscreen can focus AND shoot immediately if you choose to enable that. The touchscreen is the future & any Android user will understand that. Changes & improvements can be implemented with a download, not a new body. You can customize endlessly. Your face isn't plastered to the back of the camera, so if you are framing with the screen, the touchscreen IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.

You're obviously still living in a cave.

All the idiots are complaining without reading the positive reviews of the UI & whining without having used them yet. Amazingly ludicrous. This is supposed to be a serious forum of repute?!

Regarding the common complaint that the price is high? Of course I'd like lower prices too. But blame it on M4/3 - the prices are ridiculous given the inferior quality !!!

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Photographer_C
By Photographer_C (Jul 24, 2012)

Hasn't anyone noticed that it's named plain and simple "canon EOS-M" without any number ? This means that this will be the only model ever produced with this new lens mount ! That's why they only released 2 lenses for it ! Probably for a professional mirrorless camera they will release a new, larger mount for full frame mirrorless !

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

I bet Olympus fans told the same thing to themselves seeing PEN release... ;)

0 upvotes
rabbitzilla
By rabbitzilla (Jul 24, 2012)

Don't worry.
It would be EOS M Mark II after this.

2 upvotes
Brian Slater
By Brian Slater (Jul 24, 2012)

There will be other models for sure. There are many possibilities for naming, for example MX or M Mark 2 etc. They might make one with controls and design like the G-series and call it an MG :)

0 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

M, L, XL, XXL, and a lens cap: EOS S.

5 upvotes
VProcessing
By VProcessing (Aug 6, 2012)

What I was waiting for since I bought a GF1…
But why this M mount ? why so expensive !!!

0 upvotes
Mariusz of PL
By Mariusz of PL (Jul 24, 2012)

Having read all the comments[to say MOST OF THEM:)] I want to add mine; It's ONLY the matter of price if it catches on.Now,it is too much to pay for,but if it comes down to $550 that would be acceptable.FULL STOP:)

9 upvotes
North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

Another : I 100% agree with you.

0 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

I agree on the pricing with the proviso that they also add a $500 mail in rebate. And even then it will still be an overpriced rear lens cap.

2 upvotes
DDD3
By DDD3 (Jul 24, 2012)

Over a 1000! Nice. I like the camera. Still using the 18mp sensor. Why? That was released in 2009 on the 7D. I think the next model up will be based on the G series. They will keep the G series (G2X, G3X,...etc.) but use its design to launch something prosumer. The name is kind of odd being EOS-M. No numbering system. Sounds like a one and done test model. Maybe EOS-M1D, EOS-M5D. I don't know but that's a long name especially if they add Mark at the end. EOS-M90DM2. LOL

1 upvote
Tatosaurus
By Tatosaurus (Jul 24, 2012)

I expected G series with interchangeable lenses. It will probably happen some day.

0 upvotes
North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

I 100% agree with you. It'll be perfect for 'walk-around-camera'.

0 upvotes
raylob
By raylob (Jul 24, 2012)

Damn! I'm too late!
Ray :-)

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raylob
By raylob (Jul 24, 2012)

Me!Canon send me the camera please as a prize!
Ray :-)

0 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (Jul 24, 2012)

1000

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raylob
By raylob (Jul 24, 2012)

I'm 999 so who will be 1000?!!!

1 upvote
Kim Seng
By Kim Seng (Jul 24, 2012)

Ha HA ha...a half baked mirrorless camera. That is why all the complaints. Canon is testing with litmus paper and now getting a taste of it.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 24, 2012)

"Size/weight" - Compare apples to apples pls, else its just stupid.
- EOS-M with STM pancake lens is as pocketable as anything on the market.
- with an APS-C lens, its no different from any NEX
- vis a vis a M4/3, it's an apple to orange comparison - an APS-C sensor with APS-C lenses or 35mm lenses offers superior IQ.

"IQ" - Don't kid me with stupid arguments that there is no difference between M4/3 & APS-C. Think the bokeh from a prime lens M4/3 is sweet? Think bokeh from an EF 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm on APS-C. Lenses u can get for a song & which are light and compact.

Back to the value proposition then. M4/3 being open standard & universal somehow manages to rip off consumers. Smaller size, lower material costs and lower IQ somehow equals high price? Why?

I hate the fact that Canon/Nikon are not offering consumers true value (i.e. no in-body image stabilization).

I hope for better value for consumers but for that to happen the quality of the arguments here have got to improve.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 24, 2012)

New M4/3 sensors' IQ tests at just below the best APS sensors, the bodies are well designed and responsive, and the lenses are generally the sharpest in their class. If you want good bokeh then APS itself is pitiful compared to full frame.

3 upvotes
North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

'in-body image stabilization' Not as good as in lenses. If in both i.e. body & lenses, will cost more.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jul 24, 2012)

This particular APS-C sensor is a dog of a sensor, easily matched by 4/3 and even the Nikon 1 sensor.

A reference to substantiate your claim that 35mm lenses offer superior IQ? The sharpness numbers for some m43 lenses obliterate APS-C and 35mm lenses.

As for bokeh, you'd have to put a 35L on there to match the bokeh of a Summilux 25mm f/1.4. Sure, I'd prefer the L lens as well, but it's hardly compact and I'd rather use it on a proper body then. The bokeh on lesser Canon 35mm lenses is absolutely terrible.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jul 24, 2012)

Sorry but Zuiko 45/1.8 has very nice bokeh, better than consumer level EF lenses. Round highlights across the frame and smooth transitions.

3 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

@PrenaturalStuff,
I think you'd need to add the adapter to the dimensions of the camera if you use the STM 40mm.

Here the adapter looks about as thick as the camera itself not counting the additional weight,

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-eos-m/canon-eos-mA.HTM

The Olympus epm-1 with 14mm, 17mm or maybe even 20mm would be smaller and with the adapter added to the Canon You'd need quite large pockets I think.

The reviews of the smallest and cheapest 24mm, 35mm and 50mm Canon lenses at the digitalpicture.com says the quality of bokeh of these lenses are quite poor.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 25, 2012)

Recurring theme still: Non apple-apple comparisons again.

1. Pocketability - @999 - Seriously, does any self-respecting photog look to stuff theirs into pants pockets? U either break something or u look like u hv a permanent Viagra hard-on bulge. Let it rest unless u strictly go for pancake lenses. Like I keep saying, anything with pancake lenses might fit into pockets.

Don't use stupid comparisons like "But but it won't fit into pockets with APS-C lenses & adapters". You don't try to stuff an NEX into yr pants so don't whine that this one can't.

2. M4/3 users try too hard with silly apple-oranges comparisons. @DarkShift - U use top-of-the-line M4/3 prime lenses to talk bokeh and resolutions - vis-a-vis consumer EF lenses? How much do the Zuiko 45/1.8 or Summilux 25mm f/1.4 cost?

@999 - Know how much the equivalent quality EF 50mm f1.4/f1.8, EF 85mm f1.2/f1.8 costs? Do u even know the IQ u get with those? Not just the bokeh but the depth of field?

To be continued ...

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 25, 2012)

I find it ridiculous that there are arguments of top of the line M4/3 lens combos matching or beating consumer grade EFs. Are the ppl trying too hard or they trying to pull a fast one.

Really? M4/3 f1.4 having better IQ & bokeh? M4/3 f1.4 does not have the same shallow depth of field of an 35mm format f1.4 (even on APS-C). Its just physics, not opinion.

@Andy Crowe - M4/3 users like yrself try too hard to make M4/3 sound as good as APS-C, evidenced by yr bringing in of something totally irrelevant - comparisons against full-frame! What?
U make generalist comments like M4/3 lenses are "best in class". Nonsense, there are crap kit lenses and zoom lenses with the M4/3, so don't kid me! Like I KEEP SAYING - only the top M4/3 primes are any good & they cost no less than the top 35mm format ones. Value in M4/3 - never felt so!

4. "This ... sensor is a dog of a sensor, easily matched by 4/3 and even the Nikon 1 sensor."
- Exactly the kind of gibberish I mentioned blighting this thread.

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 25, 2012)

@Preternatural Stuff,
YOU brought up pocketabilty not me,
'EOS-M with STM pancake lens is as pocketable as anything on the market.' YOUR WORDS!
Then your next post,
'Seriously, does any self-respecting photog look to stuff theirs into pants pockets?'
Then,
'You don't try to stuff an NEX into yr pants so don't whine that this one can't.'
Finally,
'Let it rest unless u strictly go for pancake lenses. Like I keep saying, anything with pancake lenses might fit into pockets.'
Contradict much!

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 25, 2012)

@Preternatural Stuff,
Ok, after DISPROVING your concept of better bokeh of the cheap 24mm, 35mm, 85mm you now move on to IQ and DOF.
Ok, 50mm 1.8, excellent IQ, poor bokeh, flare, cheap, poor build quality, (I own it).

50mm 1.4, excellent IQ, middle bokeh, 3 times the price of the 1.8.

Equivalent Panasonic 25mm 1.4. Reviews say it's excellent, costs more than 80 per cent more than canon.
Also Pansonic 20mm 1.7 gets rave reviews and costs the same or less than Canon.

Canon 85mm 1.2, excellent IQ and bokeh and costs a FORTUNE!

Canon 85mm 1.8, very good image quality and bokeh.

Equivalent Olympus 45mm 1.8, excellent IQ and bokeh and priced similarly to the canon 1.8.

Canon's DOF will of course be shorter but this can be a blessing and a curse as most photographers know.

I await your next ill-considered outburst.

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GoranS
By GoranS (Jul 24, 2012)

Thank you Canon, this is my dream come true, small sexy monster ;) and I can use all my lenses.

2 upvotes
Andreas Stuebs
By Andreas Stuebs (Jul 24, 2012)

Yawn ....
Is this the camera so many were waiting for? Hardly. I will not comment either the quality of the cameras IQ or the lenses: Canon normally delivers on that - they are a professional company and they know their stuff. I'd not miss the flash, I do not know when I last used any flash 2, 3 years ago? But the ergonomics?
So there we have it, just a me-too-camera. No kudos at all. I have owned (and still own) Ixus cameras because they are really nicely designed. I like the G1 X because it is a serious piece of equipment nobody can doubt the quality of the 1Ds and 5Ds but this is such a nothing product it is hardly believable.
Will it sell? Well of course - it has 2 Mp more than the Nex 3 and 5 and it has Canon written on the front of it. Thats what counts in the market this camera is competing in

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fmian
By fmian (Jul 24, 2012)

PASM should have been on the dial, and there should have been a front control dial to compliment the one on the back.
Would have been lovely to see an amalgamation of the G series control system, or even implement a rotating aperture ring on the lenses like the S100. Instead we get an APS-C version of an IXUS camera with interchangeable lenses.
A pro model with a more serious control system better be around the corner, and hopefully more small prime lenses. No one needs a slow 18-55 lens.

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Strachen
By Strachen (Jul 24, 2012)

Sorry but If I want a camera that has interchangeable lens, I want a better selection of more than 2,3,4 lenses and a real viewfinder. Or if it's small then something with a 1" sensor I can put in my pants pocket and forget about it. But I guess they really are not targeting me as a customer.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

Hehe, try putting Nikon 1 into your pants pocket. :D :D :D

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 24, 2012)

Look, I want all the camera manufacturers to buck up, but so much of the arguments here are just plain stupid.

"Pocketable or not" - Which mirrorless camera is pocketable with a lens attached (save for the smallest of pancake lenses)? To slam this product's largish sensor is stupid cos its a good thing.

"Cost" - Who wouldn't want things to be cheaper? Yet, there are idiots who claim the NEX or M4/3 is cheaper?
- Only the top of the line NEX has a better sensor & its more expensive by far.
- M4/3? Some bodies may be cheaper but all have inferior IQ, inferior noise & inferior resolution. The usual excuse that they come close is BS. Everything is similar if you print from at 4R or view at VGA resolution.
M4/3 lenses - Like I keep saying, only decent lenses are the primes. Zooms are crap & the pro zooms with large f2 apertures are so ridiculously large, heavy and expensive... don't get me started.

Not impressed with the value proposition of either NEX or M4/3.

To be continued...

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

"Yet, there are idiots who claim the NEX or M4/3 is cheaper? " - these ain't idiots. These are people telling facts. Whatever you see them or not is a different topic though.

"Only the top of the line NEX has a better sensor " - I'd argue with that. 16 MPx NEX cameras got superb sensor. Even latest F3 got outstanding image quality beating or at least: being equal to this Canon. While at the same time having far bigger choice of leses giving overall better pictures.

"M4/3 lenses - Like I keep saying, only decent lenses are the primes. " - well, can't disagree. Although they do have few decent zooms (both in picture quality and size) - sadly: only few. Primes are excellent though.

"Which mirrorless camera is pocketable with a lens attached (save for the smallest of pancake lenses)?" - NEX with pancake, especially the tiny C3 - fits perfectly into jacket (and so will with pancake zoom that gets released on Photokina).

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

Pocketable or not- one of the appeals of mft cameras are the small dimensions with some prime lenses. That's a selling point.
Cost- I have seen that cheaper nex5n has a better performing sensor than the top of the line Nex7.
I would imagine a factor to consider when discussing IQ would be what one would do with the image i.e. use on the web, print size. Holding to your supposition the larger sensor produces better image quailty it would only hold true on very large prints which of course the majority of people don't do.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 25, 2012)

@Plastek - So what's the point u're making?
Cheaper at what IQ level? "people telling facts"? I've done my sums & NEX or M4/3 with lens combos at the equivalent IQ levels cost no less! What facts do you have? Notice I've always been stressing apple-apple comparisons.

NEX 5 sensor is superb to you? Against what? U've downloaded the EOS-M samples yet?

NEX has more lenses? More than Canon's APS-C range? You gotta be having a laugh.
And when you throw in the entire EF range (plus the 2 STM ones)...

This pocketability thing is ridiculous. Didn't I just say anything with pancake lenses are the only to stuff mirrorless into pocket?

If you're such a cam-in-your-crotch fan, buy the STM with the EOS-M. V. few choices in pancake lenses across all brands, so its obviously a niche thing. I don't understand all that whining?

@999 - U're not getting it. NEX5 vs Nex7 is a reso-vs-noise compromise issue. Doesn't mean one sensor is better than another. But it means a larger sensor is always better.

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 25, 2012)

@Preternatural Stuff
'Only the top of the line NEX has a better sensor & its more expensive by far.'
What's your point?
'Doesn't mean one sensor is better than another. But it means a larger sensor is always better.'
NEX5 or NEX5n vs. Please be clear. These are 2 different models.
The sensor sizes of these are the same.
Again, be clear.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jul 24, 2012)

I really just dont know what to think about this yet...
From what I have read about the AF....if its true, thats a total FAIL. The main reason I have been waiting for this canon is because, it was the last manufacturer that could implement PDAF. They did...But WTH? A 2012 EOS with jacked up AF? Something doesnt sound right about this. They really need to make this camera have the best AF of any CSC in order to get anywhere.

We will see....

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Rogouc
By Rogouc (Jul 24, 2012)

At the end Canon always comes out as a winner.

From today - Ken Rockwell knows best:

NEW: Canon EOS M: The world's first serious mirrorless camera.

Expect close-out sales on the Nikon 1 any day now.

:)

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

ROTFL. Rockwell went insane once again! This guy got any credibility left? I think he lost it 2-3 years ago and noone reasonable quotes his "wisdom" any more.

5 upvotes
Oxford007
By Oxford007 (Jul 24, 2012)

this must break a record at almost 1000 comments in one day!

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Sonylover1
By Sonylover1 (Jul 24, 2012)

Ouuch!
Canon really disappoint me...

EF adapter is as bad as Sonys adapter to NEX.
New lenses to buy - no way.
The industries are just building up another consumer segment instead of merging DSLR to the mirrorless future.
Sony A77 is still the king and NEX7 , or Oly MP5 , the best small form cameras.

Amazing that Canon let Sony to pass them (Exmor...)and dragging Nikon past to ( sensor)!

Canon is still the best lensmaker and more priceworthy than the others. Shame they didnt exploit it in their new mirrorless compact.

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North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

I agree with you except bout Nikon Sensor. Future J & V model will be more compact because of small sensor.

I am disappointment with both Canon & Nikon 1st attamp. However, for sure future model gonna swing & hit the sweet spot i.e focus

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

I hope so, cause right now Nikon 1 doesn't make any sense with size as big as Sony's NEX.
I'm still suprised people actually buy it. Seems like label on camera is by far more important that what it actually offers.

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raylob
By raylob (Jul 24, 2012)

The more I look at this camera , the more I like it. OK so it may be conservative in style and not as feature packed as some would like, but coupled with the small 22mm lens it's a camera capable of decent images despite its aging sensor. I diliked the K01 initially but ended up buying it with no regrets. It is quite possible I will buy this camera combo when prices fall.

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North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

OMG, what a disappointment. I hold my purchase for a year and this is what I've been waiting for? I can't wait another year. No build-in flash.

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nemark
By nemark (Jul 24, 2012)

I vote for built-in EVF, not flash. EVF is what I need whenever I take a picture, flash only seldom, so it can sleep in my pocket most of the time... Idea of switching eyeglasses whenever I want to take a picture makes me sick and pain to my eyes.

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Sarge_
By Sarge_ (Jul 24, 2012)

Interesting camera. As a Nikon shooter I wish Nikon had done this instead of the tiny-sensor V1. As it stands, I may end up replacing my NEX-5 with a NEX-7 instead of buying this, mainly for the built-in flash and the equal or better NEX-7 sensor.

For my purposes Canon almost nailed it, but stopped short of 'ideal-walk-around-camera' by leaving out the flash. If they'd included a flash, I might have even switched from Nikon to Canon for the lens compatibility...

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North Borneo
By North Borneo (Jul 24, 2012)

Nikon J1 almost "nailed it" as a 'ideal-walk-around-camera'. Therefore, just wait another 6 months, you'll get J2!
Canon EOS M & J1 got all important Phase Detect.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

"Nikon J1 almost "nailed it" as a 'ideal-walk-around-camera'." - You've got to be kidding me. It offers camera of NEX size with average image quality, sensor you can find in POINT AND SHOOT and narrow choice of lenses, where nearly every one of them is too huge to fit into any pocket, and there isn't anything you can use for portraits.
If Nikon 1 NAILED anything it's one thing: building a fail-system.

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soupnazi81
By soupnazi81 (Jul 24, 2012)

Sony already released the NEX two years ago which was cheaper and had more features/better performance. Way to catch up Canon.

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Boris F
By Boris F (Jul 24, 2012)

V1 with a big sensor :-)
Canon, common, make m43 and I'll buy it!
Try to make better than
Pany 20 1.7,
Leica 25 1.4,
Oly 45 1.8
and I'll buy it too!

0 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

Fun fact: EOS-M is actually smaller then Nikon V1!!!!!

1 upvote
pdelux
By pdelux (Jul 24, 2012)

EOS-M may be small, but the Lenses wont be.

0 upvotes
Scott P
By Scott P (Jul 24, 2012)

So many comments on something so boring...

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SHillphoto
By SHillphoto (Jul 24, 2012)

Cool, I like like it. I like the adapter for EF lenses. Could be a great travel camera... Small camera, good sensor.... Hmmmmm but the price seams a little high for an extra toy, but I think I want one....... Dang you canon stop spending my money........

1 upvote
jimnicol
By jimnicol (Jul 24, 2012)

can the shutter sound be adjusted ?

0 upvotes
sonsw87
By sonsw87 (Jul 24, 2012)

oh n lets go 1000 comments :)

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sonsw87
By sonsw87 (Jul 24, 2012)

Not for me.. I really don't think aps-c sensor is necessary in small cameras. Look at how good all the m4/3 picture turn out. Plus this just looks like P&S camera with detachable lens. Not enough buttons/wheels to have good manual control.

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micdair
By micdair (Jul 24, 2012)

I don't know, the reason for going up from the compact might be the low light performance. So far I've seen only OMD to perform good enough in these conditions but that's pretty expensive m4/3...

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Andrew Booth
By Andrew Booth (Jul 24, 2012)

As a Panasonic GX1 owner I don't agree. Coming from Canon DSLRs, the sensor is noticeably noisy even at base ISO - and the Panasonic dynamic range is poor.

I'll be selling my system and buying the EOS-M for sure.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jul 24, 2012)

In how many cameras can canon include that 18 Mp sensor ?

8 upvotes
Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (Jul 24, 2012)

In enough cameras so that it will make other brand lovers ask this (amazing) question. Cheers! :)

0 upvotes
Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (Jul 24, 2012)

Looks like a real attempt at the mirrorless format, rather than a disappointing me-too-but-I-am-not-going-to-cannibalize-my-APS-C-DSLR effort. The red color is also encouraging, as it signals the camera is not just for guys only.

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jackpro
By jackpro (Jul 24, 2012)

Interesting camera, no viewfinder option? well a hotshoe mount will do fine thanks. The 22mm f2 could be promising, lens hood?

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (Jul 24, 2012)

There is a lens hood available for both lenses

0 upvotes
xpherion
By xpherion (Jul 24, 2012)

lets go for 1000 comments

1 upvote
Ernest M Aquilio
By Ernest M Aquilio (Jul 24, 2012)

Dear everyone: It's just a camera

5 upvotes
Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (Jul 24, 2012)

Come on, 1000 comments or nothing! Cheers! :)

1 upvote
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 24, 2012)

This is just the basic model
Exhibits all the shortcomings of all basic mirrorless (aka: m43 & NEX)

Definitely proves all mirrorless are more 'entry level' than anything else

As soon as any version is 'prosumer', it's starts to gain greater ergonomic improvement at the price of compactness (witness the bigger m43 on the high end as well as NEX (7), they're all very 'un-pocketable' at that point)

Nothing wrong with being relatively 'un-pocketable' yet lens-option-flexible

It may suit some more than others

Personally, I prefer a larger more ergonomic body of a PowerShot G1X, but instead, a Pro1X(?) version, where it may be a wider faster 24mm FOV (35mm equivalent) lens?

When Canon comes out later with a a prosumer EOS-M-X, that will more likely be better ergonomically like the G1X is now

If in the meantime given limited EF-M lenses, the adaptable EF-S 15-85mm (24-136mm FOV) is the only option I would want if having an APS-C Canon sensor, except, if they come out with an EF-M 15-85

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (Jul 24, 2012)

Yet their "basic model" sports a 18megapixel CMOS APS-C censor, Digic 5 processor, and the most intuitive and user friendly touch-screen available. Quite a break into the market.

Of course it's basic though... starting with a pro model would be counter-intuitive to any business-minded person.

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Jose A. Pacheco
By Jose A. Pacheco (Jul 24, 2012)

The G1 X is a true pocketable with plenty of features, a flash, viewfinder, articulated screen and a big sensor. Yes, it doesn't have interchangeable lenses but that's when I take my EOS DSLR

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

"The G1 X is a true pocketable" - RX100 is true pocketable camera. G1X is kind of jacket-pocketable ;) You can put it into a pocket, but hardly fits into pants pocket. ;)

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 24, 2012)

Folks have to realize the basic subcompact model will always be the one that's the least featured; thus in form, 'plain-bodied brick'. Hence the case for the current base EOS-M.

I've never been keen on even the similar shaped very pocketable Canon S100/S95/S90, or any tinier IXUS models. Nor ever keen on small very pocketable sized Pany LX3/LX5/LX7 (all lacks full time ES-LV; only part-time). Thus, the EOS-M 'base' model is more like the ICL (inter-changeable-lens) version of just these 'hard to grip' least ergonomic tinier models.

I've always preferred the much better 'grippable' more substantial compact prosumer range the G series have, but the least so, when the grip is Gen-1. The G1X for me is the 'grippier' better control-ergonomic top-end prosumer PowerShot. Thus, it should be expected Canon would follow through with a like model but in EOS-ProX/Pro form.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 24, 2012)

As I said before, I prefer a Pro1X (if they make one) over the current G1X. Time will tell if Canon does an EOS-M of either one. I do not necessarily want to go over to the EOS-M side at all, and prefer to opt for a Pro1X instead. Not interested in any of the smaller sensored Powershots, not even the older compact G series.

While everyone can whine about it not being 'tiny pocketable', who in their right mind would expect that of a system meant to be ILC with EF/EF-S lenses including any zooms? All truly 'tiny pocketable' models of any system is either going to be confined to flatter tiny pancake lenses, or digicams with more limited tiny sensors like older/lower PowerShots or m43/NEX.

Right now, the EOS-M product has shifted notions on mirrorless to where it's the LENS that is central... and the body is more just a 'please add a sensor'... and this is what an EOS-M represents to any EF/EF-S lens user would be... a bodied sensor for any Canon range lens.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 24, 2012)

Now folks who want to do 'remote' or 'tight compact space' can still play with the entire EF/EF-S L lense family can conveniently do both stills and Super35 Cinematography where the majority of the space taken up will be primarily the LENS rather than the body.

Anyone knows when handling dSLR lenses, as they get into the longer teles or very fast wides, it is handled more by the lens than by the body. Ditto EOS-M all the more.

Those who Canon lens users who want to have small ILC mirrorless bodies now have them via EOS-M range; not just the m43/Nex crowd.

If one can fit an APS-C sensor in such a sized body, it's proof smaller sensor would have been the much easier to achieve (m43) as most integrated digicams are practically the same in sensor. (remember m43 was a digicam sensor first, before becoming ILC).

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 24, 2012)

It also means that FF could fit just as well into a similar bodied EOS-M format, albeit slightly larger in size, but not by too much.

Much like 'disposable film cameras' were, all 'FF' and even tinier, but very focal-length/aperture lens-limited.

0 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

So basically you don't like it and you're not going to buy it but it took you four messages to say it.

1 upvote
snapshot09
By snapshot09 (Aug 10, 2012)

http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/08/canon-powershot-pro1x-cr1/

0 upvotes
avgcitizen
By avgcitizen (Jul 24, 2012)

From my perspective if I can't put it in my pocket and it doesn't have a real viewfinder (optical or electronic) then I might as well have the real thing = DSLR.

As a long time Canon loyalist, this is the last straw...I will go with Sony or micro 4/3rds for my next purchase...especially since my S90 broke (EOS is OK tho)...

Canon has been falling behind the curve for some time now with it's reactionary, non-innovative religion. Buh bye now...

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (Jul 24, 2012)

How is the Sony any more pocketable? Look at the comparison shot below. Looks like you cheated yourself out of your own straws, not Canon. haha

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1251306/eos_m_nex_560.jpg

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Jul 24, 2012)

IMO this is the problem with all mirror less cameras and why large sensor, fixed retractable lens compacts make much more sense. AS soon as you put any other lens than a pancake on a mirror less camera you have a camera that is just as bulky and inconvenient as a DSLR but with out the advantages that bulk usually brings to a DSLR.

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pdelux
By pdelux (Jul 24, 2012)

@Josh, if you are referring to Mirrorless APS-C then you are right, the lenses make them almost as bulky as entry level DSLR. But you are very wrong if you are comparing to some of the m43 systems.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

m4/3 still don't fit into pants pockets. So it doesn't matter if they are 4 mm shorter or longer.

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Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

@Ensit mike,

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1251306/eos_m_nex_560.jpg

canon is 13 percent taller and weighs 11 percent more than Nex5n
making it more pocketable.
Plastsek, Olympus epm1 with pancake does fit in pants pocket. Iv'e done because I own it.

0 upvotes
wb2trf
By wb2trf (Jul 24, 2012)

Winners and losers:

Biggest winner: Sony. Endorsement by Canon of APS-C size in mirrorless, but generally a somewhat weak competitor to Nex5N and Nex 7 with a similar but less appealing look.
Biggest loser: Nikon: Nikon 1 so much weaker with their small sensor.

In the middle:
Canon: short term not much impact because clearly it is a come from behind effort, longer term with new models it can be a fine strong competitor if Canon wants it to be.
Micro 4/3: short term not much impact, longer term, APS-C may be cemented as the better mirrorless size. Particularly as the fixed lens large sensor cameras like the RX100 and the G1X compete more strongly, micro4/3 may be in a hard to defend position.

4 upvotes
Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jul 24, 2012)

i disagree on M4/3. As the OMD has proven, a 4/3 sized sensor can be as good as APS-C. Especially since Canon has not really been leading edge in Sensors. So if the sensor is good enough, the critical factor becomes the lenses. And All mirrorless APS-C, have large lenses compared to m4/3. Once you get into a ILC, the main thing is always lenses. Bodies evolve, but as a system m4/3 is here to stay.

6 upvotes
MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jul 24, 2012)

Canon had reasons to choose APS-C that have nothing to do with inherent superiority. With continual sensor improvement, the only significant IQ difference in a couple of years will be dof control. So, what does your average buyer choose, a model with slightly nicer bokeh or one with dramatically smaller lenses? It's not an obvious choice even now. I do know I wouldn't pay $800 for this.

0 upvotes
CarvingPhoto
By CarvingPhoto (Jul 24, 2012)

Even though I have a Nex-5n, I will eventually go m4/3rd. They have better lens option made for the system (and I'm not even talking bout adapters yet). Save your money for the Olympus E-m5...the weather-sealed, 5-axis image stabilizer, & built-in EVF are totally worth it.

2 upvotes
bgbs
By bgbs (Jul 24, 2012)

I think Nikon 1 is a huge win. Nikon 1 already produces better images than any P&S camera, it just falls short of a DSLR in IQ. Those looking to upgrade from P&S, Nikon 1 is the way to go. It is light and small, and it's AF runs circles around all the other mirorrless cameras. If the italian preview is true that Canon's first mirrorless has very slow AF, than it is a huge disappointment. Another huge dissapointment is no popup flash. Upgraders will certainly hate this one. Third dissapointment is the price. I thought Nikon 1 price was too steep, now I think not.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Jul 24, 2012)

"Save your money for the Olympus E-m5...the weather-sealed, 5-axis image stabilizer, & built-in EVF are totally worth it." - equally well if not better you can just get a real thing: DSLR.

"Nikon 1 already produces better images than any P&S camera," - hahahahaha :D Ever seen shots from G1X? Or even RX100? They are much more portable and deliver better features & images.

"I think Nikon 1 is a huge win" - keep cheating yourself ;)

2 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

Platek, yes the DSLR with 5-axis IS and weather-sealing which doesn't exist.
I believe the em5 is a real thing.

0 upvotes
limlh
By limlh (Jul 24, 2012)

This will go down in history as the most comical camera after the K01.

2 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Jul 24, 2012)

You forgot the Pentax Q, like most people.

2 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

And the funniest part is that while you're both right, the K-01 and Q are more useable than this thing.

At least they have both a flash, PASM dial and a bigger range of native lenses.

2 upvotes
limlh
By limlh (Jul 24, 2012)

The downside of the Q is its small sensor, otherwise a very nice mini camera.

2 upvotes
lightandday
By lightandday (Jul 24, 2012)

With a pan cake does it fit in your top pocket ?- to uninterested to read the preview !

1 upvote
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 24, 2012)

If uninterested why ask a question?

0 upvotes
lightandday
By lightandday (Jul 25, 2012)

To make people like you think !

0 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Jul 26, 2012)

Read the review if you want to know.

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Jacques Cornell
By Jacques Cornell (Jul 24, 2012)

[Yawn, grumble] AAAaaaaaarrrrrrrmph. [Stretch]

SNOOOOOOOOOORE...

[Dreams of LX7 + LVF-2]

2 upvotes
Tower
By Tower (Jul 24, 2012)

NO viewfinder how we can hold outdoor shooting? Should have a decent ideas to handle this issues.

1 upvote
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Jul 24, 2012)

Tens of millions of point-n-shoot camera sold per year with out view finders - geez how do people do it?

1 upvote
Tower
By Tower (Jul 24, 2012)

That's why we have billions of junk images every where. The absolutely digital rubbish.

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T3
By T3 (Jul 24, 2012)

Time to join the 21st century, pal. Plenty of people take great pictures without a viewfinder! Framing with a rear LCD has nothing to do with making a "junk image" or not. I think this is a generational thing. The older folks can't understand how you can possibly get good images without using a viewfinder (most of which don't offer 100% coverage, by the way). The younger generation just thinks the older generation should stop complaining and go drink their prune juice. LOL!

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Jose A. Pacheco
By Jose A. Pacheco (Jul 24, 2012)

I've using canon G Series since the G5, all of them with viewfinders. Probably I used it no more than 5 times but it's good to have it.

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Tower
By Tower (Jul 24, 2012)

I am not against LED viewfinder. It is tools or toys issue. With optical viewfinder under strange sun light is much better. The toys camera can have great shot, an idiot with any top gear will not get an photos.

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axian
By axian (Jul 24, 2012)

I have been waiting for this for nearly 2 years. And upon seeing the battery capacity I think I'm going to pass on it.

Seriously, Canon. 230 shots? What's the point of having a mirrorless, smaller camera when you also need to attach a battery pack?

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Kim Seng
By Kim Seng (Jul 24, 2012)

Canon just talk of the market point of view and makes you buy more batteries lol.

0 upvotes
Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jul 24, 2012)

canon wants you to buy more oem batteries

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Kreitmann
By Kreitmann (Jul 24, 2012)

You are complaining, seriously? Battery capacity is direly proportional to mass. Small camera, small battery, small capacity. My S95 is just the same, so I got a spare battery right at day 1. Never ran out of juice.

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Jan Kritzinger
By Jan Kritzinger (Jul 24, 2012)

Nex CIPA ratings are much higher though, at lower weight.

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Jul 24, 2012)

there's one interesting feature - the touch screen UI. From the 650D review, the Canon multi-touch UI, by far, makes most sense. Other touch UIs I have used are all half-baked, Pana, oly, sony etc.

For all the Nikon, Panasonic, Canon and Oly cameras I used, I found Canon's UI design was the most efficient in operation, especially for consumer and prosumer models (For the flagship pro models, N and C are equally complex).

1 upvote
Kim Seng
By Kim Seng (Jul 24, 2012)

I just just cant stand having my monitor screen full of oily finger prints.

1 upvote
AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jul 24, 2012)

Canon has a plan to sell facial cleanser in the near future, hahaha..

0 upvotes
Bokeh_freak
By Bokeh_freak (Jul 24, 2012)

230 Shots per battery? That is much worse than the two year old NEX 5. No tilting screen. $1K price barrier. Too little too late.

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pdelux
By pdelux (Jul 24, 2012)

Interestingly, compare this to a more expensive OMD body which is about $1000 (body).

You get
+weather sealing
+fast AF
+same or better High ISO use
+Sony Sensor
+add on flash free
+external controls
+brilliant 5 - Axis in body stabilisation
+Olympus colors and JPEG engine
+9 FPS
+excellent EVF
+optional Grips
+established and excellent choice of "SMALL" lenses

yeah it costs more with lenses, but it makes me wonder if this Canon is "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE".

The next model has a lot of catching up to do, and judging from the price of their "entry" model, it will cost as much or more than the OMD - and deliver half as much.

I was really hoping canon would release a competitive model to bring the prices of M43 down, but I think Olympus and Panasonic may not be worried at all for now.

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