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Canon EOS M: hands-on preview of Canon's first mirrorless EOS

By dpreview staff on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:00 GMT
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Canon has, as expected, announced the EOS M - its first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Based around the same 18MP APS-C sensor as the recent EOS 650D/T4i, the EOS M is the first model to use a new, smaller 'EF-M' lens mount. It is launched alongside two EF-M lenses that use STM stepper motors optimized for use with the camera's hybrid AF system. As we've seen before in the mirrorless sector, the EOS M is predominantly aimed at the point-and-shoot upgrader market looking for DSLR quality and makes greater use of a 650D-style touch-screen interface. We've been using the EOS M for a little while and have prepared a preview, looking in more detail at Canon's first mirrorless EOS camera and how it handles.

UPDATE. We've recently updated this preview with our own images of the camera, having initially used those provided by Canon. We've also added more information about the camera and screenshots of its touch interface, so if you read our initial preview shortly after publication it's worth having another look. 

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Press Release:

DSLR-quality images at your fingertips: Canon launches the small and simple EOS M

London, UK, 23 July 2012 – Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The company’s first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions – from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be ‘photographers’.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canon’s renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite – the Speedlite 90EX – providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

The quality of a Canon DSLR

Print your favourite moments in poster-size or crop your image for maximum impact – whether shooting the atmosphere of your favourite club or the intricate stitching of the latest must-have handbag – thanks to the EOS M’s high-resolution, 18 megapixel APS-C hybrid CMOS sensor. The large sensor also allows you to artistically blur the background for beautiful portraits, or for close-ups with impact.

With the inclusion of Canon’s DIGIC 5 processor, colours ‘pop’ and skin tones are beautifully natural, whilst a super-fast shutter allows you to capture split-second action. The atmosphere of evening shoots and challenging night-time scenes are also easily recorded in stunning detail thanks to the EOS M’s sensitive native ISO range of 100- 12,800 (extendable to 25,600).

For pin-sharp shots and professional-looking footage, this new design features a Hybrid AF System that supports super-fast, accurate AF when shooting stills and movies – allowing you to record any moment with confidence.

Shoot what you see and easily express your creative vision

Every aspect of the EOS M has been designed to make it simple to capture beautiful, creative, high-quality images. From the very first swipe across the bright, high- resolution, 7.7cm (3.0”), Clear View LCD II Touch screen, the EOS M gives you as much or as little control over your photos as desired. Simply select different shooting modes and settings via the on-screen icons, or let Scene Intelligent Auto adjust the camera settings according to the subject and shooting conditions, leaving you free to focus on composition and selecting the perfect moment to hit the shutter release button.

EOS M users can shoot with the confidence that comes from having the world's most comprehensive photographic system behind them. Whether you want to capture every detail of a close-up or zoom in to frame a subject in the far distance, any one of Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses can be connected via the new

Mount Adapter EF-EOS M for photographic flexibility.

With one of Canon’s Speedlite flash units, you can also explore creative lighting techniques to add an extra level of interest to your shots. Alternatively, create unique images with a range of Creative Filters like Toy Camera effect, Grainy B&W or even a filter that mimics the distortion of a fish-eye lens. The filters can be applied before the shot is captured, with the result previewed in Live View, allowing you to experiment with different effects before selecting the perfect treatment for your final image.

Turn film-maker with EOS Movie and Video Snapshot

When a moment calls for more than a still image, the EOS M lets you switch easily to Full HD video with stereo sound for superb results. Video Snapshot mode also helps family and friends avoid long home movie viewing sessions, guiding you to create exciting movies in-camera, with a professionally edited feel.

Extending the EOS System with dedicated accessories

In addition to compatibility with Canon’s existing EF lenses1, accessories and Speedlites, the EOS M launches with its own bespoke range of compact accessories. Two new EF-M lenses offer portability and high performance when using the new model – the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom and the
EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake lens. Both feature new Stepper Motor technology for exceptionally smooth AF performance, as well as precision Canon optics, while their compact designs offer the perfect form-factor to complement the camera’s pocket-sized body.

Additionally, the EOS M will ship with the new Speedlite 90EX flash unit as standard. Lightweight and highly-compact, it offers a maximum guide number of nine and supports wide-angle lenses, making it an ideal general-purpose flash for everyday use. A wireless master function also allows the control of multiple flash guns wirelessly, allowing more advanced users to experiment with a range of creative lighting effects.

EOS M – key features

  •  The quality of a digital SLR in a compact body

  •  Scene Intelligent Auto

  •  Be versatile with interchangeable lenses

  •  Create out-of-focus backgrounds for high impact

  •  Easy-to-use touch-screen

  •  Atmospheric photos in low light

  •  Full-HD video with Video Snapshot Mode

1 Via Mount Adaptor EF-EOS M

Canon EOS M specifications

Price
MSRP$799.99 with 22mm lens, €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens, €1049/£949 with 18-55mm + 22mm lenses, €979/£879 with 22mm lens + EF adapter
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB,Adobe RGB
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points31
Lens mountCanon EF-M
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night
  • HDR Backlight Control mode
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer
Continuous drive4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E12 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)230
Weight (inc. batteries)298 g (0.66 lb / 10.51 oz)
Dimensions109 x 66 x 32 mm (4.29 x 2.6 x 1.26)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

Top-down view of the Canon EOS-M with 22mm F2.0 'pancake' prime lens.

Rear view of the Canon EOS-M (Silver)
Canon EOS-M with Speedlite EX-90 (included with the camera in most markets) Canon EOS-M shown wih EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS lens, using optional EF-EOS M mount adapter
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Comments

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Nathaniel George Weir
By Nathaniel George Weir (Jul 24, 2012)

Jeeezzz I love it when people complain... Come on! If you don't want it or don't like it, then why act like children. You aren't been forced to buy it so just chill.

2 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

We dont like it and we want everyone (Canon mostly if they are reading this) to know we dont like it. :) And some of us even say why. :D

0 upvotes
René
By René (Jul 24, 2012)

If we dont complain, we will never get what we wish, they only impose what they want to us. Try going to a restaurant and let the waiter/waitress serve us the way they want on their bad day... if we dont complain, could it be tips or comments, well to bad for us... this applies to camera makers. Evolution of technology doesnt only come from makers of technology, but also from the ones who use it.

Comment edited 31 seconds after posting
1 upvote
ImagesInstyle
By ImagesInstyle (Jul 24, 2012)

this camera is aimed at Women..not men..dont you all get it..simple easy, to the point...

6 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

Excellent !!

A camera just for people who act and behave emotionally and usually without any form of reasoning.

Sounds perfect for my wife. :)

8 upvotes
rjx
By rjx (Jul 24, 2012)

You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking, and especially taking the time to type such a sexist comment.

5 upvotes
TheChefs
By TheChefs (Jul 24, 2012)

sir_bazz, from your comment I take just about everyone on this forum is an emotional woman.

3 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

@TheChefs

Yes we love to come here and get in touch with our feminine side.

Now excuse me as I have to get back to the laundry and then start preparing dinner. :)

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
TheChefs
By TheChefs (Jul 24, 2012)

Wouldn't it be more accurate to compare the females compare each other's rings/jewellery etc... and stroking their egos while chatting in cafes...

It sounds exactly like here, people stroking each others egos with my camera is better than your camera... Sans coffee of course...

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Lol great comments. :D

0 upvotes
abolit
By abolit (Jul 24, 2012)

nothing special. I expected more from canon.

13 upvotes
CG33
By CG33 (Jul 24, 2012)

Shut, 867 comments in less than one day!
It does not matter what all the camera super duper gurus say. This is just the first step, the second one, will outsell the rest, the same way Canon has always done.

3 upvotes
Zdenek Janda
By Zdenek Janda (Jul 24, 2012)

Do you really think it's meaningful to judge quality of manufacturer' cameras based on sales numbers?

If so, then I have bad news for you, camera phones of any relevant phones manufacturer easily outsell all Canon products.

5 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jul 24, 2012)

As for the physical appearance of the camera, at least they didn't follow the lame retro-look design cliche.

2 upvotes
Alberto Battelli
By Alberto Battelli (Jul 24, 2012)

Retro look is nice. It has buttons.

7 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

And buttons are good. Retro look might be cliché, but OM-D in hands gives really nice feeling (not mentioning its easy to operate).

0 upvotes
Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (Jul 24, 2012)

I'm still puzzled that Canon didn't just use the G1X design... Maybe in the next camera...

5 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 24, 2012)

My exact thoughts. The G1X with an APS-C sensor, interchangeable lens, and built in EVF (since the optical would not be able to view past a lens) was what I was really hoping for.

3 upvotes
G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 24, 2012)

+1 This is an obvious step. The G series have always had style and ergonomics far beyond their sensor capabilities. I hope such a model reaches us soon.

0 upvotes
Paulo G9Z
By Paulo G9Z (Jul 24, 2012)

I think you have a point.
A new G series with a larger sensor and the interchangeable lens from EOS M seems the next step to me.
At first canon show us this entry level mirrorless camera for those who wants replace their point and shoot, then update G series providing more professional settings to fight against Nex and others.

0 upvotes
danaceb
By danaceb (Jul 24, 2012)

How very mee-too, well atleast they pulled it off better than Nikon; who somehow think they have the right to charge true Sony/Samsung APS-C prices for their shoddy little J1, or the better but not enough V1. When the people they target see the '10mp' under specs all they think is cutting edge for 2006.

Canon have been even more predictably mee too, but in this regard it was the right thing to do. Given time Nikons foray into mirrorless will be smashed or reborn with something resembling value.

5 upvotes
CarvingPhoto
By CarvingPhoto (Jul 24, 2012)

I don't know if Nikon expected it or not, but a few bird & nature photographers have taken advantage of it's 2.7x crop factor with some of their professional Nikkor lens. A 70-200 f2.8 becomes a 189-540mm f2.8.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaoru87/6886101675/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/botimage/7083114653/

7 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jul 24, 2012)

They did?

At least Nikon innovated with PDAF on the sensor for an ILC that could track a subject better any on the market, super fast frame rates and image processing. That's not shoddy. Shoddy is slapping an APS-C sensor in a GF2 style body without flash and EVF and putting EOS on it and overcharging. At least Nikon actually developed a camera that nobody had ever done before.

11 upvotes
G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 24, 2012)

By all accounts, Nikon's offerings have excellent quality, just being limited (for many) by the small sensor. I'd agree they need a larger-sensor camera to compete fully, but not that their 1 series lacks quality. It's possible that their fast tracking AF could make it's way into an APS-C camera in the near future, but as that makes for much larger lenses with generally less reach, it wouldn't make the 1 series totally redundant.

0 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 23, 2012)

Compare this to Samsung NX200. The Samsung has larger sensor, more pixels, higher fps, and costs $300 less with the 18-55 OIS lens.
http://www.henrys.com/66241-SAMSUNG-NX200-BLACK-W-18-55-II-OIS-LENS.aspx

9 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 24, 2012)

Sorry, I check the exchange rate. The Samsung is $550 less than the EOS-M! Less than half the price for a better camera.

6 upvotes
sunhorse
By sunhorse (Jul 24, 2012)

NX200 has a larger sensor but only by a tiny amount. Both the EOS M and NX200 are considered to be APS-C. Price-wise the Samsung is less.

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Well, sensor size really isnt that different (APS-C 1.6x vs 1.5x ehm..). But yes, NX200 is better choice.

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Lol sunhorse, seems we had same idea in same time. :D

0 upvotes
Superka
By Superka (Jul 23, 2012)

Why "rangefinder-style"? not even close.
Why so plain? This camera is a fail from the start.

Comment edited 27 seconds after posting
9 upvotes
arcadiusphotography
By arcadiusphotography (Jul 23, 2012)

interesting but kinda expensive

1 upvote
Fred Briggs
By Fred Briggs (Jul 23, 2012)

I bought a Panasonic G3 with kit lens while waiting for Canon to make their move. I got that for £320 with a £50 cashback making £270, plus I spent a further £230 on the 14-42mm Power Zoom in the interests of maximum compactness. So for £500 I got a 16MP camera with built in flash, articulating rear LCD with touchscreen, a decent EVF, and a zoom as compact as most pancake lenses. I'm very happy with the image quality.

The whole G3 package looks to be pretty much the same size as the new Canon when the latter is fitted with the 22mm pancake lens, and smaller if the Canon zoom is fitted. The Canon is apparently going to cost nearly twice as much, but does not have an articulating screen, does not have a built-in flash, and worst of all, has no EVF or even the crude optical viewfinder from the G1 X.

I'm very disappointed with this unimaginative offering, and would regard the new Canon as an expensive downgrade to what I currently have.

Fred

7 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jul 23, 2012)

Wowee.

Not since Nikon's epic fail 1 series of bricks have I seen such massive comments and passionate diverse opinions!

Inevitable really.

Canon has to dip their finger into this pie of a genre, as it has to cover the sector to net in escaping profits from this segment, which they have not tapped.

If there is a new profitable camera sector, be sure Canon will be there...
Whether innovative or pure mediocre, they will be there...

.

5 upvotes
BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jul 23, 2012)

I, for one, am getting kinda of tired of the silly shock and dismay--a bunch of fakery from the posers no doubt. Canon Rumors had the specs on this--that it would be a minimalist effort--over a month ago.

Don't get out much, huh?

3 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jul 23, 2012)

And I'm sick and tired of the fact that Canon bit on this stupid, mirror-less hook! I say leave this crap to the bimbi, but they gotta try to steal some sales away...they no doubt will, some.

3 upvotes
MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jul 24, 2012)

To read the often inaccurate reporting of rumor sites? I have better things to do. I'm not at all shocked, but am a bit disappointed. Even with the string of dullish products Canon has given us lately, I was hoping for a smart feature or two that would advance the sector. All I can see here of note are uncommonly nice menus. That should be the norm, but isn't.

0 upvotes
ennemkay
By ennemkay (Jul 23, 2012)

this thing is going to fly off the shelves. it's targeted at the masses so don't criticize it for not being a nex-7 competitor. most people commenting are simply upset that it wasn't targeted at their demographic.

2 upvotes
dennis mol
By dennis mol (Jul 24, 2012)

Only to the ill informed. Clearly any informed buyer will find more for their $ from four thirds, NEX, and NX.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
2 upvotes
Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 24, 2012)

Nex7? Lmao it can't even compare to nex f3

6 upvotes
NotSteve
By NotSteve (Jul 23, 2012)

If the point of this camera was for Canon to carve out a niche for themselves in the MILC market, this seems like a really milquetoast effort. The adapter appeals to those who own Canon SLR lenses already, but the specifications are quite unremarkable. For enthusiasts, what does this offer that would make you want to put big expensive glass on this? The add-on flash seems peculiar too: additional hassle and expense for a basic function, which undermines it as something that would appeal to the point and shooters.

In terms of the MILCs from the DSLR/SLT makers this looks like the least compelling to me. I don't know the Sony NEXs that well, but here's a stab at a little round-up, now that everyone's got something on the table:

- NEX: small body adaptable to nearly any SLR lens; good sensors
- 1 System: very good high speed shooting and ability to shoot hi res stills during video
- K-01: focus peaking, good sensor, full K-mount compatibility
- Q: great build and feature set, smallest

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6 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

m4/3 - large choice of native lens, with OM-D EM-5 even very decent sensor (GX1 in my book too), OM-D EM-5 is very well tought out camera (actually camera not toy like EOS-M)

Samsung NX - decent choice of native lens, decent sensors, very reasonable price (more in EU than US tho..), sorta nice looking bodies (NX200) and ergonomicaly friendly

2 upvotes
magneto shot
By magneto shot (Jul 24, 2012)

dont forget..
M9 - exceeds all mirrorless IQ and adding lens does not add much size. plenty of old lens available for ages.

0 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 23, 2012)

I was actually holding out for this... but THIS is simply... bad, and not in a good way. Isn't a point-n-shoot and interchangable lens system contradictory? Pull the camera out of my shirt pocket and then pick a lens from the packpack? Swipe, swipe, and swipe through the touch screen menus to find an iso setting? This is really sad.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
6 upvotes
reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (Jul 23, 2012)

Surprisingly underwhelming offering from Canon. After the introduction of the disappointing Nikon 1 series, I was looking forward to Canon's foray into the CSC market. I'm sorry I did.

2 upvotes
Cax
By Cax (Jul 23, 2012)

There's a lot of pent up anger venting right now. That's what you get for not buying a product you have wanted for four years because it was made by the "wrong" company.

6 upvotes
Potemkin_Photo
By Potemkin_Photo (Jul 23, 2012)

If Canon doesn't fix themselves soon, they won't have to worry about mirrorless, because the world will be canon-less. Get it? Ha ha!

5 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Actually lately I think same. They have one very old (in digital world) APS-C sensor that they put in everything and that sensor was bad even when it was released first time. Then they have supposedly re-made old 21 mpix sensor from 5DMK2/1DsMK3 .. which pretty much is exactly same as old 21 mpix sensor, only with worse colors and +1 mpix. 1D X is.. well usable, but nothing amazing (I actually still like either APS-H or D3s over this).

So either is Canon really lazy and milking market as much as possible with old stuff. Or much worse variant. They dont have anything better.

When I look at Sony 16 mpix APS-C sensor or their 36 mpix FF which is now used in D800, Im thinking that Canon should really show something much much better in very near future, or there really is slight chance that world will be Canon-less.

Im pretty sure Kodak never thought they will end like they did one day.. or Nokia.

4 upvotes
magneto shot
By magneto shot (Jul 24, 2012)

hey, nokia lives!
in my pureview 808.....its a camera company right? i am pretty sure some swore that it used to be a mobile phone company...

1 upvote
rusticus
By rusticus (Jul 23, 2012)

a rather ugly camera
no canon, which I will not buy

2 upvotes
thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

I have a feeling that Sony will sell more NEX-7 now...

6 upvotes
Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Jul 23, 2012)

Panasonic and Olympus will sell more m4/3rds now...

6 upvotes
thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

I agree with that also

2 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Yea I think it will boost mirrorless sales, just not in pleasant way for Canon.. theres price for being last to the party. And in this case it almost seem like they are on wrong party. :D

1 upvote
Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

I wish they had called this mirrorless IXUS and IXUS-M mount.

3 upvotes
raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

IXUS wouldn't command a price premium, while the EOS brand does. However the IXUS brand (IXY in JP) would probably market this better to the compact market as EOS denotes bulky.

0 upvotes
Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Jul 23, 2012)

My six year old Panasonic Lumix DMC-LZ5 looks prettier than this. And it has proper spring loaded flaps too. Please stop with the crappy flex flaps Canon.

1 upvote
Damo83
By Damo83 (Jul 23, 2012)

Let's hit 1000 wonderful comments.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Jul 23, 2012)

Solid gold, every one of 'em ;)

2 upvotes
Cax
By Cax (Jul 23, 2012)

I can't figure out why so many photography people are so overly negative and depressing. They are always unhappy with new products, and if their current hang up is somehow satisfied, there's immediately some new one that's standing between them and photography bliss. Harden up, people.

1 upvote
Zdenek Janda
By Zdenek Janda (Jul 23, 2012)

@Barney: It's the reason why you guys run the comments section below articles, isn't it?

Comment edited 56 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
thisisjh
By thisisjh (Jul 23, 2012)

@Cax

Not all new models or cameras get negative comments.

1 upvote
Cax
By Cax (Jul 23, 2012)

Well, there are always some, but if varies whether they come from existing customers or not. I think a lot of people were happy about the E-M5, I certainly was.

1 upvote
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

@Cax

Not really, I for example liked recent Voigtlaender new lens. :) Or OM-D EM-5 or GX1 (which not that many ppl like, but its nice and working camera with pretty decent IQ..).

I think in this case those negative comments are completely understandable. I mean I cant think anything really positive about this camera. Canon finaly joined mirrorless camera market "woohoo - so happy". Even worst attempts (Pentax Q or K0-1) so far were at least interesting (by being bit ehm.. wierd).

And lots of ppl expected "really something" from Canon. And they delivered.. well "really almost nothing". No wonder ppl are disappointed. I would be too, if I waited so long for Canon mirrorless.

1 upvote
mvxray
By mvxray (Jul 23, 2012)

Pros:
* compact design
* EF adapter gives access to large range of good lenses
* nice large high res screen

Cons
* ugly
* only 2 lenses available (that can be used without adapter)
* ergonomics
* no accessory mount for EVF etc.
* no build-in flash
* and did I mention ugly ?

Conclusion
VERY UNDERWHELMING ! I think most people agree: " Too little too late"

I was so looking forward to Canon's mirror-less camera thinking they would come up with something really nice, instead we get this.

9 upvotes
raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

Strangely I don't get why it's ugly. Seems the made the right choice using APS 1.6x and EF adapter. Look at all the complaints when N1 came with 2.7x crop. They reuse sensor, CPU etc from the 6xxD series and have a new $800 item.

AND, they're already selling the 'white lens' hype to the new users with their 4th pic. Brilliant marketing.

0 upvotes
burninggarlic
By burninggarlic (Jul 23, 2012)

and a hot shoe as well.
for many canon users, it can be a nice digital back.

0 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Jul 23, 2012)

For it's intended target audience...

Pros:
• Electronic First Curtain Shutter! Light weight camera just need this!
• Let me repeat, Electronic First Curtain Shutter!
• Touch screen
• Accidentally pushing movie record button won't start movies unless the mode switch is pushed over to Movie mode.
• Taking a clue from Sony and using metal barreled lenses (plus the darker finish is nice.

Cons:
• Price
• lack of built-in flash
• non standard neck straps lugs, & not recessed into the body.

I like it's looks, I'm especially they didn't make it look "retro" I can't stand that look.

Underwhelming, fine the camera isn't for you. It's intended for people that want an interchangeable lens camera that isn't overwhelming. Those upgrading from a Elph or S-series who don't want the G1X for whatever reason will find this a nice option to consider besides the Sony, Panasonic, Olympus & Nikon options. Your underwhelmed, meh, Canon will release higher end models with more lenses later on.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Jul 23, 2012)

Oh yeah, forgot a Pro:
• APS-C sensor should give similar IQ and noise performance to the 7D\/60D\/T[2-4]i cameras. When my T2i metered right it did great. I suspect IQ from the EOS-M should be more than sufficient for most people.

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NetMage
By NetMage (Jul 24, 2012)

Forgot Con too:
* fixed focal length kit lens

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 24, 2012)

@NetMage
"fixed focal length kit lens" - is NOT a con! Its called a prime lens. Change it if u are like those 18-200mm freaks.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Target audience (if I can guess) is largely consisted of those 18-200mm freaks.

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jp1958
By jp1958 (Jul 23, 2012)

http://2.static.img-dpreview.com/files/news/1705465526/canon_EOS-M_with_70-200mm.jpg?v=1546

Can I hang the camera and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM from the EOS-M's camera strap over my shoulder?

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

Don't be surprised when you see such at your next wedding...

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jp1958
By jp1958 (Jul 24, 2012)

No need to upgrade to a Canon EOS 5D Mark III when the EOS-M will do the job.

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CarvingPhoto
By CarvingPhoto (Jul 24, 2012)

Well make sure you get 2-3 spare batteries, 230 shots per battery life. And hopefully the batteries don't cost much!

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jul 23, 2012)

Great, one more reason for idiots to hold up a bright screen and ruin my view at a concert. Thanks Canon!

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

seriously, isn't it better than the idiots that hold up iPads?

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jul 23, 2012)

Still no intervalometer. On a MIRRORLESS camera, ideal for time lapse. Not to mention the other uses; people don't realize how much easier it is to get a group shot if you just start the camera firing every couple of seconds and then get into the picture. You have a much higher chance of getting everyone looking decent if you roll off a bunch of shots.

Instead of this practically free-to-implement feature, Canon gives us asinine "filters" in the camera. Useless crap.

Canon is just going farther into the weeds every day.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Jul 23, 2012)

Olympus PEN has a nice delay feature before shutter trips.

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

sure you can buy a remote
and a remote with extras

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Nathaniel George Weir
By Nathaniel George Weir (Jul 24, 2012)

Remember, these "useless" features weren't obviously made for professionals. They were made to appeal to the 90% of people who will likely enjoy the implementations of these features, as they won't need to learn photoshop skillz.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jul 23, 2012)

In the USA, Sony NEXs come with a 18-55mm lens as standard equipment, and the Canon EOS M will only come with a fixed 22mm lens as standard equipment. Sony says "Thank you Canon, for failing to be competitive!"

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raincoat
By raincoat (Jul 23, 2012)

Canon users as a group love primes. This is no doubt the reason

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

Kidding right? Target audience of this thing (eg. G1X upgraders) doesnt even know what is "prime lens".

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BobEll69
By BobEll69 (Jul 23, 2012)

That is one ugly camera! I have yet to see one of these APSC mirror-less cameras that actually looks good.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (Jul 23, 2012)

So ugly. Hey, Nikon and Canon, look at the Fuji cameras and learn how to make an instant classic. At this price, enthusiasts don't want your toy candy Hello Kitty designs with no viewfinder.
PS, stop with the new lens systems already. Oh, and Nikon, your tiny sensors are embarrassing.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

I think compared to Pentax K-01 it looks pretty nice, doesnt it?

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Jul 24, 2012)

@ BobLEll69 & InTheMist
Looks are subjective. I like the EOS-M, My NEX-7 I think is the best looking of all cameras. That dated retro look is just plain ugly to me. I don't see Canon making something like that ever; modifing the G1X body for APS-C is as extreme as it gets. Personally I buy cameras for their picture producing quality, looks are much further down the line of importance.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jul 23, 2012)

Reuters states "Canon will manufacture 100,000 of the cameras a month, the company said in a statement." When Canon's warehouses are overflowing with unsold EOS Ms, the price should come down. (grin)

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Martin Kulhavy
By Martin Kulhavy (Jul 23, 2012)

Calculated €/£ exchange rate from MSRP is about 1.1
Current rate is 1.28
Thank you VERY MUCH.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Jul 23, 2012)

You'll have to take into account that $-amounts do not include sales tax as it is different from state to state whereas the GBP-amount includes 17.5% VAT. Is it still 17.5%?

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Martin Kulhavy
By Martin Kulhavy (Jul 23, 2012)

BUT my comparison is between €/£, not $.
VAT is quite similar between UK and Eurozone countries.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Jul 23, 2012)

20% VAT these days, in the UK.

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Thoughts
By Thoughts (Jul 23, 2012)

Funny that two biggest DSLR makers' mirrorless camera debut received so many negative comments here.

Canon once was the first company that offered a 'budget' DSLR (EOS 300D) 9 years ago that kicked off the DSLR golden era. Now they are the last major camera maker to enter mirrorless market. Disregarding whether they have got it right or not. The timing does show the over-confidence (or rather arrogance) of the current management.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Having a very popular and well-established set of bodies and seeing no need to enter a small but growing market is arrogance? No offense, but the ILC market needed to prove itself and only companies who could not really compete in those established markets (money makers, as it were) needed to venture into unknown territory. Once the market was established Canon probably needed somet time to figure out how it could fit into the market and how that would affect its already proven market segments. Big companies like Canon may move slowly, but they do so because they have much more to lose should they fail. That's not arrogance, it's prudent planning.

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LVPhoto1
By LVPhoto1 (Jul 23, 2012)

We must remember that Canon is a very big company, and the camera line is not there biggest selling product’ ........in ratio to their other entire product’s that they make.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Jul 23, 2012)

Funny negative comments? You don't visit the Canon forums much. Whine Central. When you are the biggest, people complain whatever you do.

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carcdrcons
By carcdrcons (Jul 23, 2012)

It's the first time I heard "a market needs to prove itself to a company". This is not arrogance?

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rocklobster
By rocklobster (Jul 23, 2012)

I would have thought that part of that "Prudent planning" (see comment by howardroark) would have been to use the slightly smaller but excellent sensor in the G1X to afford a new range of smaller lenses. Instead, what we end up with - like the Sony NEX - is a soup-can sized kit lens on a smart-phone sized body. Gee, M4/3 is looking better and better with every new release.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

carcdrcons, If you were a huge multinational corporation that already had well established products in every segment of the photography market would you waste your time with yet another segment that looked like it could collapse as soon as it started. There is a difference between arrogance and prudence. And a company that makes decisions that are not based on whims of fickle people is fine by me. In the mean time they've been making products that turn out high image quality.
rocklobster, you realize that smaller sensor wasn't really all that much smaller right? Better to get the same image quality from the EF and EF-S lenses that people already own. Why make a huge line of stellar lenses incompatible with a new line of cameras when newly designed lenses for a smaller sensor wouldn't really be that much smaller???

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jackgreen
By jackgreen (Jul 24, 2012)

How the phase-detection focus is implemented? Like Sony? It's pretty hard to fit phase detection into ca 20 mm flange space. Do they have phase system only with EF adapter?

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zumzum
By zumzum (Jul 23, 2012)

I am quite disappointed about this camera and also about Canon. This company does not live up to its name.

Since the digital cameras are around there has not been significant upgrades. The field is lacking INNOVATION.

This is why I am so angry with Canon: it has the opportunity to create something great and yet it fails again and again. This is a shame.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Yes, their failures have resulted in market dominance and huge profits....what a bunch of yahoos. Also, if you read the preview on this site you'll understand the advantage of the touchscreen interface and why Canon is actually innovating, although perhaps in not the same exciting way some who are constantly wanting more, bigger, better would want them to.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

@howardroark

The most popular products are not always the best products.

Most of us here can see the difference when it comes to imaging tools and this offering is a lackluster one regardless of how well it will sell.

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zumzum
By zumzum (Jul 24, 2012)

I see, you want to call the touchscreen on a camera as an innovation...

well, I choose this instead:
http://www.artefactgroup.com/wvil/

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

Really? Thank you for pointing out the obvious, sir_bazz. I can see the difference in imaging tools as well, and the imaging that comes out of Canon sensors, whether the APS-C 18MP in the 7D, 14MP in the G1 X, or now 18MP in the EOS-M is pretty amazing. Sample images are online from the EOS-M. If you're talking about the usability of the menu system why does everyone think the menus are so user unfriendly? The videos I've seen, promotional or privately produced, indicate a very smooth interface. Touching a screen is no more difficult than touching a button, and implimented correctly those of us who use touchscreens on our phones everyday won't be offput.
You greatly overestimate your ability to predict the markets, and I will be so humble as to suggest perhaps it is too early to tell. There is extremely little information to go on at this point. If you think you can see the future I'd appreciate some lottery numbers in your next comment.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

@howardroak

If it was so friggen obvious then why did you feel the need to reiterate Canon's market position? Being a little defensive aren't you?

And for the record here's another bloody obvious statement. The Canon 7D sensor is one of the worst performing sensors available for current APS-C DSLR's.

And where does this leave the EOS-M ? Have a look at the official samples, (which are now up on the Canon site), and see for yourself. They're pretty ordinary by current APS-C standards.

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oysso
By oysso (Jul 24, 2012)

The good thing is that this is about average delivered and not on the top and hence may be quite cheap soon. Good for the customers. The lack of innovation is no problem here. When going into a mirrorless segment last, how can you expect Canon to innovate? They do it as a cheap way of being there among many others.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

LOL...knocking a three year old sensor is really a useful argument, especially when it still gives current cameras a run for their money. Oh, the 7D may lose on a occasion, but half the time the current lot of sensor can't outdo it. The reason Canon has stuck with the 18MP APS-C for so long is they can make improvements and still outperform high MP Sony and Nikon (not to mention Olympus, Panasonic, etc.) garbage.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 25, 2012)

Not knocking it at all. It was the benchmark APS-C sensor 3 years ago but now it's the worst choice available and it's being re-used in this mirrorless offering.
I'm sure any buyer of the EOS-M would opt for the Sony 16mp sensor over this Canon one if given the choice.

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Fooshnik
By Fooshnik (Jul 23, 2012)

I like it - in principle. But no viewfinder, no swivel screen, no aperture/shutter select dial. Same touchscreen as the T4i, but setting up your shot on manual using solely the touchscreen is tedious and time consuming, by the time you're done your subject has lost interest - even if it's a mountainside. If you're never going to use manual, why get this? It's also very difficult to see in bright sunlight and the autofocus is sloow. If this uses the same autofocus as the T4i liveview (it does according to imaging-resource) plan on 1+ second to acquire your subject. Also $800? What P&S user is going to want to switch from a 10X optical zoom to a fixed 22mm for $800? $200 for an EF mount adapter that's as big as a pancake lens? This is being marketed to the DSLR user who doesn't want to lug around 20 pounds of equipment, not to the P&S user, and I don't think it's capable enough to fill that niche. I'd like one for $400 and may buy one used at that price in a year, but not for $800.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Jul 23, 2012)

This camera is not meant for setting up a shot, it's a point and shoot with a large sensor. You point and you tap the screen. It will compete with NEX quite nicely.

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jul 23, 2012)

"This camera is not meant for setting up a shot"

Yet that's exactly what it requires, since you'll be dicking around with menus for five minutes before taking a picture.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 24, 2012)

@Vlad S
"This camera is not meant for setting up a shot"

Then why did Canon include options like 6 WB presets, 4 metering modes, 8 scene modes, 8 AF modes, exposure bracketing, WB brackering, exposure compensation etc etc.

May as well just have one big green shutter button and no touch screen if it's just a point and shoot.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

Frank, I think you're one of the few around here capable of truly dicking around with those menus. If you're incompetent enough to be unable to use something that has been described as responsive and intuitive, then you'll be dicking around for five minutes while others are taking pictures. Put your glasses on and figure out how to use modern electronics.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Jul 23, 2012)

I am glad that Canon started with a relatively large sensor - even if their first model is not what I would like to have myself, I am pretty sure than within a year they will came up also with more 'pro' model. Interesting times indeed.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

entry kit for almost a grand. How much would you expect for the 'pro' model? Same level as 5D3?

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 23, 2012)

I think street prices and eventual prices will come down a lot, much as they did for the Nikon 1 system, the initial price is just some kind of positioning to make people take it seriously.

As for the camera, it's not such an attractive model for me either, seems pretty unusable in a lot of situations where a DSLR, or even many mirrorless cameras would shine. But as a new system, it seems to check a lot of important boxes.and offer an elegant path for Canon's users who want to go mirrorless, but maybe keep using their lens collection.

Nikon tried this, but to my mind (and buying decisions) failed, due to the massive multiplier, even if it does effectively keep the system small. Meanwhile, Pentax was too direct in keeping the same mount, making for a system that isn't much smaller than Sony's SLT line and can never shrink.

Unglamourous though it may seem, I think Canon took the golden mean approach here and with an enthusiast G1X-style body in the future, it could be a great system.

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StephenSPhotog
By StephenSPhotog (Jul 23, 2012)

Think what you would like about this camera. But I have a simple prediction. Canon will sell 14 katrillion of them.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

Sony thought the same when they released PS3. Nikon thought the same when they released V1.

Canon abandoned FD mount and got big success with their EF mount. After so many years now they're hugging what they already have and afraid to go with the new technology *sigh*

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 23, 2012)

Ha! Funny, very funny. The PS3 was a true push in the realm of technology when it was released. I mean, people really knew it was a big "innovation" as everyone here keeps vomitting as their reason for not liking the EOS-M. Sony pushed technology making a home entertainment system in the truest sense of the word and put a huge bet on an as yet unproven format, Blu Ray. Today, my 6 year old PS3 is still one of the best Blu Ray players on the market and has the same firmware as the most recently sold PS3. It has plenty of room left on the hard drive, I can play music and watch photos froma USB flash drive or CF, SD, or other memory card. Sorry, but innovation doesn't always equal success or sales. Pushing the edge of technology is very risky. Canon may not have come out with an ILC that can run Android Apps, but it came out with a very useful tool for people who care about the quality of their images and video.

*sigh* (dripping with sarcasm)

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KevinD65
By KevinD65 (Jul 23, 2012)

Every logical option for ILC has now been explored. There are only so many things camera makers can do.

You can stick with an APS-C sensor and keep the same lens mount for legacy lenses. That's what Pentax did with K01.

You can go with a smaller sensor and new lenses, and maintain legacy lens support with adapters, but then you've got a different crop factor, so the legacy lenses won't be optimized for the camera. That's what Oly, Pany, and Nikon are doing. Advantage: Smaller lenses.

You can stick with the APS-C sensor, a new lens mount with a shorter flange distance, and adapters for legacy lenses. This is what Sony, Samsung, and now Canon are doing. Advantage: Old lenses keep the same crop factor and therefore still work well.

Canon and Sony are the only options that gives you legacy bodies, legacy lenses, new body, new lenses with same crop factor, and adapter, all from the same manufacturer. Makes sense to me. Wish Nikon would do it.

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mick232
By mick232 (Jul 23, 2012)

How is the NEX not giving you all items you have listed in the last paragraph?

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KevinD65
By KevinD65 (Jul 23, 2012)

Yep, you're right, if you have Sony legacy lenses. Originally I was assuming Canon or Nikon legacy lenses, because between the 2 of them they own the lion's share of the DSLR market.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

"Sony" may not have a lot of legacy lenses, but Minolta does...

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KevinD65
By KevinD65 (Jul 23, 2012)

The main point I was trying to make is that no matter what option camera makers choose, people complain about it. Option 1: The camera body is too big and thick. Option 2: Bad crop factor, bokeh not as good, no good UWA options. Option 3: New lenses are still pretty big, so what's the point. Nobody is ever happy with the choices.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jul 23, 2012)

I totally agree, this is the logical evolution for us Nikon users, too, I hope Nikon takes the hint!

APS-C is probably the 'best compromise' sensor size, which is why so many companies are going this route and I say this as a keen M4/3 user alongside my Nikon gear. With anything smaller you both lose 'reasonable' compatibility with legacy prime lenses (unless for some reason you love telephoto) and have a hard job controlling depth of field.

Who knows what the future will bring? But designs such as this, in terms of the approach if not the actual camera model, work very well in the present.

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Mike Sandman
By Mike Sandman (Jul 23, 2012)

A small camera with the quality of an APS-C sensor and a smartphone-like interface is very good idea.

The market for P&S cameras is shrinking because we have passable cameras in our phones, so offering a camera that's a huge step up from a P&S in terms of image quality is a good strategy. It's not supposed to appeal to DSLR owners who are tired of carrying their heavy gear; it's supposed to appeal to people who want something better than the output from their iPhones, and who like the touch interface. But the price does seem out of line with the rest of the market.

For those comments that trash this first offering: Canon could either start at the top and build something to compete with he NEX-7 or it could do something a bit easier, for a larger market. If I was Canon, I'd choose to start with a proof-of -concept camera like this. Just wait for the next version and you'll get your EVF.

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Francis Sawyer
By Francis Sawyer (Jul 23, 2012)

A "smartphone-like interface" is a crappy idea. Look at the cheerleading for the use of phones as remote controls for TVs and such. That's stupid. Yeah, I want to unlock my phone and fuss with a non-tactile touchscreen every time I want to change the volume. Or I could get a $25 learning remote that does the job instantly.

Same with cameras. I don't want to dig through menus when I walk from outside to inside, and I need to change ISO. Or when I want to use aperture- or shutter-priority.

Sometime in the '90s Canon learned that button-heavy interfaces SUCK. And now they're regressing. Brilliant.

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Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (Jul 24, 2012)

@Francis Sawyer

Smartphone-like interface is the ONLY progressive step. Who the hell doesn't use one except for grandparents (& yourself?). Even with a smartphone, you can turn off a lock screen, unless you are using something from a fruit company or you are somebody who believes whatever that fruit company tells u.

$25 for a remote? There are things like DSLR controller from Chainfire that you can use to do that with any USB cable & an Android.

Try crawling outta that cave. The next real innovation frontier are digital cameras running on Android OS that allows 3rd party app development.

A lot of the critics seems to be dyslexic in some way. The reviews seem to have given it the best reviews ever about a touch screen interface. But the empty vessels here seem to have dissed it without having touched it? Can't figure it out.

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howardroark
By howardroark (Jul 24, 2012)

And one day you probably won't even have to touch a screen to select menu options. This camera isn't made for relics who want the old aperture ring on the lens, manual focus through a split prism, and rolls of film in your pockets.

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plastique2
By plastique2 (Jul 23, 2012)

So if we think the camera companies aren't reading our complaints on this and similar forums, then we are mistaken. I think they are reading them very carefully and when they see what we would like to see on cameras - they try to avoid it more or less to incorporate in new models - so that they'll never make THE perfect camera! Why?! Well, once you buy a perfect camera you will not feel the need to buy another one.
My suggestion: let's do the opposite! Let's write here how happy we are with all the new camera models, how perfect they are, how unnecessary all further improvements would be, and so on.
...

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plastique2
By plastique2 (Jul 23, 2012)

It is interesting to read how different the reasons for disappointment are. And I don't see them all to be logical since Canon most certainly isn't closing the DSLR program - and the EOS-M system isn't trying simply to make the DSLR's two or three sizes smaller. I understand that. But here goes my story of disappointment (and not just with this new Canon system, but with all similar mirrorless systems so far): where is the grip???
You can have a camera without a built-in flash. You can have a camera with just 3 fps, with most of the functions accessible only through menus ... but you have to hold the camera in your hand all the time - and without a grip you will soon get cramps in your fingers. So this is my reason for saying: I don't get it!
On the other hand: I do get it! - We buy a sophisticated camera only to see it doesn't satisfy us for some reason. So after a while we buy a camera from the other class - hopefully (for the respective company) from the same brand.

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NJHr
By NJHr (Jul 23, 2012)

With the OMD its exactly the same as it was back in the film days. Grip is separate accessory. If you want to keep it small, like an old film camera with a prime lens then don't fit the grip. If you want to shoot telephoto then fit the grip. Its so simple and neat you couldn't believe that at one time nearly all cameras were made this way yet somehow manufacturers forgot everything that was good pre-digital.

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plantdoc
By plantdoc (Jul 23, 2012)

If people like and buy, fine, but as a long time Canon user, I won't be one. Why? No viewfinder for hefty price, new lenses or $200 for an EF adapter.. Should be included. With an EF lens the camera is no longer compact enough to bother with as new camera. Exposed sensor without a canon supported cleaning system. If I was considering or suggestion a new smaller camera in would the mini slr Panasonic g3 or new g5. Plenty of IQ to 1600, ex. EFV, rotate LCD, ex. Video, ex features, fast. However not buying anything because I have too many suitable camera from minis to d-slr. I think the "young

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art1sta
By art1sta (Jul 23, 2012)

I was looking forward to this but...in a nutshell....HORRIBLE.

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dkadc
By dkadc (Jul 23, 2012)

Olympus and Panasonic engineers have to be laughing their butts off at Canikony.

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wwcove
By wwcove (Jul 24, 2012)

Ha! Ha!

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fuego6
By fuego6 (Jul 23, 2012)

Fail... take off $400 and now you have a product that will really make a mark!

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Jul 23, 2012)

LOL

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_HCJnk3P6BY/UA2xu_17XzI/AAAAAAAADCY/oS8y8TxuE9s/s1600/EOS-M-400mm.JPG

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Elaka Farmor
By Elaka Farmor (Jul 23, 2012)

That´s how it shall be used! :-)

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jul 23, 2012)

Oh yes, that the reason of white body, to match the white lenses. A perfect fashion camera for soccer mom. Easily pockectable in any woman bag :)

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

I'm really excited about the news.

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Now I can finally give up Canon and go for a NEX.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME CANON?!

To target to a "new market" (ok, if you really think it's a new market). This one lack of lens support, lack of some popular functions like internal flash, flip screen.

For existing Canon users like me, it lack of some advanced functions. Everything is in menus. And, even after spend $199, your valuable L lenses with ultrasonic motor.... focus like merde (can't use swear words)...

Oh well... I can take those, as long as I can have a smaller, cheaper back-up/everyday body that I can bring around and keep using my EF lens. For a body with 22mm lens, a barely-usable external flash, and an adapter ring, it's only...hmm... $1,147.00 US dollar?! Did I say the world "cheaper" earlier?

Again this is just totally a joke. I can't believe after so many years of waiting this is Canon's answer to all the users.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

How much does that fast 24mm Nex lens cost again? Guess one could buy the not particularly fast Sigma 30mm for an Nex camera.

The problem with your argument is this Canon ships with a really nice and fast 22mm lens, and the very good Zeiss equivalent for Sony Nex cameras costs an extra $1100.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Jul 23, 2012)

>>For existing Canon users like me, it lack of some advanced functions. <<
Did they call and tell you it was for you? It's not all about you. It's about people with wallets.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

How about the price tag of €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens?

And don't over-estimate the need of a prime lens. If this one is really trying to target to entry level users, what they want are zooms.

If I only want a larger sensor camera with a prime, I'd rather get RX100. It has f/1.8 on widest.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

Formosa Wind:

The Sony RX100 has a much smaller sensor and does not really work above ISO 1600, also the Sony does not take interchangeable lenses.

That 18mm to 55mm lens aint a real draw.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

If you expect this to be usable at ISO 1600, then Im sorry for you.. :D

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 24, 2012)

Mescalamba:

Most recent APSC sensored cameras are easily useable above ISO1600. (Of course that's shooting raw, and using some noise control in ACR, or in this case the decent free with the camera purchase Canon raw extraction software.)

If you mean that jpegs at ISO 1500 aren't useable then you could be right, but who cares about photos taken as jpegs with a raw capable camera unless upload speed is really important?

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DavidsfotosDotCom
By DavidsfotosDotCom (Jul 23, 2012)

Where's the time lapse?
Underwater housing?
2x Bigger sensor than Sony RX-100.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jul 23, 2012)

As intended, like the basic m43 systems, it's aimed at basic P&S who want interchangeable lenses on a small body, with minimal controls or least optimal ergonomics that comes with compactness.

Of course, compactness is always nullified by attaching any lens, except the odd pancake lens.

It has the most basic of controls, much akin to the lower basic powershot digicams and Rebel dSLRs; so it is clearly an entry model. m43 and Nex systems are just the same at the basic level.

I would get all hissy-fit about it, as Canon is expected to follow up with a prosumer model.

This basic model EOS-M clearly slots below even the PowerShot G1X; and any EOS-MX/Pro will likely be the prosumer model that slots above the PowerShot G1X.

What I am more keen on is a PowerShot Pro1X, if it is ever offered with a 24mm FOV (35mm equivalent), since it is missing on the G1X.

If Canon offers an EF-M 15mm for the EOS-M system (24mm FOV equiv), that will attract my attention only on an EOS-MX/Pro instead.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

I really can't believe they marketed an entry model at this price range. For a body with 22mm fixed lens it asks for $799, which is $200 more than Nex F3 kit, an entry level camera from another company. Not to mention you need to spend $149 more for an external flash. Not to mention the flip-able screen on F3.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

Formosa Wind:

That's an F2.0 22mm lens, that's big big deal.

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Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Jul 23, 2012)

Separate lens always sticking out from body limits any kind pocketable optics choises heavily. Which means most of those basic users would get lot more use from compacts which can offer more flexible optics in pocket size.

Can't compete any DSLR in controls/ergonomics but isn't even truly pocketable while having less controls than many lot cheaper compacts.
Now that sure leaves big niche where this kind cameras can be justified with logic. (same faults also in other mirrorless systems)

But this kind consumer products aren't sold with logic but with mental images and often brand religion.

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tosvus
By tosvus (Jul 23, 2012)

HowAboutRAW - if this is aimed at P&S base, they won't be very excited about a prime lens, regardless how good it is...... They also won't like the lack of a flash, or an articulated screen. They also won't like the price.

Enthusiasts will like probably be ok with the price, like the pancake, but no EVF (even as option), slow focusing on EF/EF-S lenses with adapter, lacking manual controls, no focus peaking etc.

It just doesn't seem to fit into either camp. I guess Canon is hoping for an entirely new type of user that is willing to pay a premium to have the option to change lenses (but probably never will), and run everything on full auto.

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Formosa Wind
By Formosa Wind (Jul 23, 2012)

How'bout the €849/£769 with 18-55mm lens then?

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Jul 23, 2012)

Tosvus is right--to the P&S crowd a fixed lens it probably less attractive than their phone.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

Esa Tuunanen:

Name an APSC sensored camera one can pocket? I can only think of one that comes close, and it isn't a Sony.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 23, 2012)

tosvus:

This is aimed at those who have at least a few Canon dslr lenses and want the compact size of a mirrorless, but the good ISO performance of an APSC senor dslr.

Sure if you count the Canon G12 or the Sony RX100 as a P$S, then yes users of those cameras will look at this.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jul 24, 2012)

22mm f2 .. big deal?

Hm.. Panasonic has 20mm f1.7 .. Samsung has 30mm f2.

Big deal? :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jul 24, 2012)

Mescalamba:

Right I own that 30mm F2 Samsung, and it cost me an extra $300.

And the F1.7 Panasonic retails for $360.

Neither lens ships with the respective bodies.

So what's the total price of a Samsung NX210 plus the 30mm lens, you can do the math.

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mister_roboto
By mister_roboto (Jul 23, 2012)

The 70-200mm mounted on the EOS M image in the preview is hilarious.

I understand wanting to bring compatibility of existing lenses over, but a lot of them (barring all but the smaller lenses) will make the camera totally unwieldy, in heft + size.

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