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Samsung confirms lower price for 12MP EX2F 'Smart Camera'

By dpreview staff on Jul 16, 2012 at 21:55 GMT

Samsung has confirmed a lower MSRP for the 12MP EX2F, launched earlier this month. Previously, the Korean manufacturer had indicated a US price of $549 but this has been revised to $499. The magnesium-bodied EX2F features a 1/1.7" 12.4MP BSI CMOS sensor and the fastest lens of any compact camera on the market - F1.4 at its widest 24mm equiv setting (slowing down to F2.7 at the 80mm equiv end). ISO sensitivity can be extended up to ISO 12,800 and as well as various still image modes the EX2F can also capture full HD 1080/30p video. The EX2F will be available in August.

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vanessaelizebeth
By vanessaelizebeth (Feb 20, 2013)

This camera does all these things. The number of feedbacks I got after uploading photos of my friends on facebook at night have been fantastic.

http://www.mobilephoneprice.in/

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 21, 2012)

would never mix the focal length and f-number with equivalent values, that you should always say f/1.4 at 5.2mm, or equivalent f/6.4 at 24mm angle.

actually there is no need to tell the 5.2/1.4 which is difficult for most to understand. just say the camera got a zoom lens of 24-80mm f/6.4-12.3 equiv. and f/6.4 equiv. is the fastest for P&S cameras (comparable to 4/3 or APS-C cameras with standard lenses) at the time of announcement.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Jul 21, 2012)

it's the fastest *small sensor* P&S camera.
still better than LX7 at the wide end (little difference)

#, lens factor, model, equiv. lens spec,
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1, 2.6x, Sony RX100, 28-100mm f/4.8-12.9,
2, 1.8x, Canon G1 X, 28-112mm f/5.1-10.5,
3, 4.5x, Samsung EX2F, 24-80mm f/6.4-12.3,
4, 2.0x, Panasonic GX1, 28-84mm f/6.9-11, kit lens,
5, 5.0x, Panasonic LX7, 24-90mm f/7.0-11.5,
6, 4.6x, Olympus XZ-1, 28-112mm f/8.2-11.4,
7, 4.6x, Panasonic LX5, 24-90mm f/9.2-15.2,
8, 4.6x, Canon S90/S95, 28-105mm f/9.2-22.4,
9, 4.6x, Canon S100, 24-120mm f/9.2-27.2,
------------------------------------------------------------
note: the factor for focal length and f-number may be slightly different due to different standards but we can make them the same if we want.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Jul 19, 2012)

I note the way in just announcing a price decrease they emphasis that the lens slows to 2.7. As most cameras drop to far worst apertures it is interesting why the fairly wide maximum aperture on the Samsung is described as slow.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 19, 2012)

It is not "described as slow", it is described as quote: "slowing down to F2.7 at the 80mm equiv end", which it is. Lens of Pana LX7 has it bet, slowing down only to 2.3, and not at 80 but at 90mm eq (meaning that at 80mm it is 2-2.2). So the decision comes down to what do you need more:
1) 80-90mm range+better quality (2/3 stop) at longer lengths+shallower DoF.
2) WiFi+articulated screen.

Good to have a choice.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Jul 17, 2012)

This is not the fastest lens on a compact camera. The Olympus XZ-1 is, with the Fujifilm X10 close behind. Both have 4x zoom (28-112mm equiv.) with only one stop between the wide and tele- ends (f/1.8-2.5 and f/2.0-2.8 respectively). The Samsung has almost 2 full stops over a lesser 3.3x range, and the long end is only 80mm equiv. If the Samsung could do 112mm it would be well past f/3. In fact, by 28mm the Samsung will likely be around f/1.8 already.

As we know from DSLRs, the better quality zoom lenses have either a fixed aperture (e.g. f/2.8) or a 1 stop variance (e.g. f/3.5-4.5 models from many manufacturers).

This may be a good camera, but in practice it won't be the fastest. It's also not likely to have the highest quality lens.

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Essai
By Essai (Jul 17, 2012)

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 17, 2012)

and you know this for a fact? or just plain assumption?

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DStudio
By DStudio (Jul 17, 2012)

The only ZZZZZZzzzzzz...... I can see here is that the other manufacturers are sleeping on producing a truly fast lens that stays fast throughout its range.

It's nice marketing to say they have a fast lens starting at f/2 or better, but when you start to zoom (even, say, for shallower DOF) you suddenly find your lens has turned into an f/4.9 or something!

At least Canon can still say their S100 is fantastically small, or Sony that their RX100 has a larger sensor. But they both don't truly have the useful, fast lenses that they pretend to.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Jul 17, 2012)

Ariston - I don't know of any overall faster zoom lenses on compact cameras. Are you aware of any I've missed?

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 18, 2012)

it would be pretty silly if one is not using common sense from word for word understanding. the idea was fastest aperture opening, not overall opening across the zoom range since these cameras have variable apertures. it would be stupid to say this camera has the fastest opening at 100mm range. that would be pointless.

also, it's a no brainer of comparing a dslr on a P&S camera. so I can't see any merit to your argument.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Jul 18, 2012)

Ariston - DPR isn't wrong to call it the fastest lens on a compact, because technically it is - at 24mm. As a practical matter, however, most shooters use the whole zoom range. This means most of the time (i.e. at most focal lengths) the Samsung is slower than the XZ-1.

There's no guesswork here, other than trying to figure out the exact crossover point where the XZ-1 becomes faster. But mathematically and optically, it's clear from the specs that in most or all of the overlapping range (28-80mm) the XZ-1 will still be faster.

The point is that buyers who are looking for a camera that is technically the best should not fall for the hype, but instead consider the maximum aperture throughout the entire zoom range they plan to use.

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 18, 2012)

define technically the best? because from what I see, there are things that the XZ-1 which isn't technically superior. there are a lot of factors and specs involved and so far it is a wait and see until we actually see how the EX2 performs. personally, I don't see the EX2 any less or inferior compared to the XZ-1. the difference in aperture speed in the tele end isn't really substantial enough to impact results. about a 1/4 of light isn't really going to make the scene noticeably brighter.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 18, 2012)

What about the Panasonic LX7? it's just as fast or even faster at 24mm to 90mm with good leica optics

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 18, 2012)

i think the lx7 is a little bigger though than the ex2, or if not, the ex2 offers an articulated screen, a slightly bigger sensor (i'm pretty sure), and wi-fi if that interests you.

honestly on compacts, i'm not too worried about the optics. it's not necessarily leica optics, just leica branded, and samsung has the same thing with the schneider lens. but the ex1 and lx5 have proven to hvae good lenses, so either will have good performance.

but yeah we have to wait for actual reviews. all these cameras trump each other in one way or another, it's hard to say which is better, since, unless one of them somehow made a huge jump in small sensor performance, it'll most likely come down to what fits your needs and wnats the most

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Jul 18, 2012)

The only thing the articulated screen and wi-fi would be good for is to take Duck face pictures of yourself and send it straight to facebook, I'm sure it will be a hit with teen girls

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DStudio
By DStudio (Jul 18, 2012)

Well, now that the LX7 is announced we can say it is faster. It's been over 1 1/2 years since the XZ-1 came out so I was getting concerned. I'm glad to see a 3rd manufacturer is now taking lens speed across the entire zoom range seriously. It has just over 1 1/3 stops variance, which is promising.

People are rightly excited about the LX7, because Panasonic is doing what I've been talking about. The optics are the critical starting point. Panasonic is going the right direction with the optics of the FZ200 too. Let's hope the final results on these cameras are as good as the design portends.

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ericsan
By ericsan (Jul 17, 2012)

Samsung makes good electronics but i will never buy their cameras as i do not trust the reliability of their products, they are too young on this specific market !
And small sensors have no future as more and more people wants better I.Q on compact & bridges cameras ...brands start to wake up to this market reality !

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jul 17, 2012)

actually it's sensor is bigger than what are usually used on bridge cameras.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jul 17, 2012)

Interesting that they don't spec the screen resolution. Reason? Low?

Also intersting that this is very close to the BenQ G1 just released.

http://www.benq.eu/products/digicam/index.cfm/product/1343

Does DPRREVIEW not look at BenQ products?

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viking79
By viking79 (Jul 17, 2012)

It is an AMOLED display which is going to have a lower dot count, but be just as sharp as a higher pixel LCD. I don't notice much difference between my NX20 or D7000 in terms of rear displays, they both do what they are supposed to.

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jul 17, 2012)

I find 28mm to be too wide already, 24mm sounds awful. Does anyone know if this or competing cameras allows a "default startup focal length" to be specified? That would be a convenient feature for me.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 17, 2012)

The Panasonic Lumix LX3 and LX5 both allow this. I can't speak for others.

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bstringy
By bstringy (Jul 17, 2012)

If 24mm is too wide, you won't want to waste time here. Maybe try a travel zoom.

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schaki
By schaki (Jul 19, 2012)

Or maybe he want a compact camera for low-light shooting. Something that most super-zooms can't handle very well, with even smaller sensors and usually slow f3.3 or 3.5 apertures at the wide end of the zoom.

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Marksphoto
By Marksphoto (Jul 17, 2012)

1. I would love to try whale meat and i feel sorry for all conservationists who think that a whale should have more rights than a pig. It's all food to me as far as I am concerned!

2. 1.4 is interesting but I would love to see an opinion on the functionality of this camera once the most hated photography celebrity writes a review on it. I hope he also placed an order on it already. Especially I would like to see a review comparison with S100 speed and ease of use before I even make a decision to buy this instrument.

3. Cameras will be available and better ones will follow, no sense in premature rushing on the purchase. I would rather wait at least for the first firmware upgrade to see if everything is kosher :) and in my case I will wait for Canon's counter- response

4. My name is Mark Konkolski and I live in Beatiful British Columbia

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 17, 2012)

I've had whale meat... It's nothing to write home about. Canada allows whaling too. If you want to try it, get of your but and head north and make some friends.

The point is their are a lot of pigs... not so many whales. Onward to the edge....

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 18, 2012)

1. as far as you are concerned, you're not educated enough apparently to speak on such matters. it's not about specific animals having more rights; it's about whales being endangered.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 17, 2012)

Two posts on the EX2F and no BenQ G1 F1.8, pocketable swivel screen love?

http://www.benq-eu.com/press/news.cfm/cat/0/id/3832/year/2012

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h2k
By h2k (Jul 17, 2012)

Thanks, very interesting hint. I use swivel-screen compacts for ten years now and i should have expected DPR to inform us about the BenQ model.

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increments
By increments (Jul 17, 2012)

@DPR has the UK price changed too?

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jul 17, 2012)

I have no idea why they think $500 is a reasonable price for small sensor
all these product have always been below $400

Right now with increasing competition and game changer RX100 they actually think they could increase the price by 25% is totally silly in my opinion

Market will teach them a lesson. Even at $400 whether they can compete with Olympus XZ-1, Canon S100 and LX5 is uncertain

They really overestimate themselves by the success of Galaxy phone but this is camera which they have always been the underdog

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fenceSitter
By fenceSitter (Jul 17, 2012)

I think the simple answer is: they think $500 is a reasonable price for small sensor because they weren't privy to everyone else's product pipelines.

Apart from that, even the predecessor EX1/TL500 is a fantastic little camera with very, very, very good image quality (if you stay at base ISO, that is).

The "game changer" RX100 has neither an articulated screen, nor can it be operated via IR remote. For some people these are essential features, so they'll be better off with a camera like the Samsung.

Horses for courses.

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pomoville
By pomoville (Jul 17, 2012)

All three of the cameras you mentioned started at $500. I agree about competition changing with the RX100, though I think the speedy lens on here makes up some of the ground.

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Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Jul 17, 2012)

That's a true good news for a consumer.

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glenchen68
By glenchen68 (Jul 17, 2012)

a strategic move of Sam's to reduce before the arrival of the XZ-2?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 18, 2012)

LX-7... 24-90/1.4-2.3 vs 24-80/1.4-2.7. At the same price - no contest.

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gl2k
By gl2k (Jul 17, 2012)

On paper it reads like a dream F1.4 (!!!). In real life ... probably the same crappy images like with all tiny sensors. sigh ...

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jul 17, 2012)

I don't care!
Korea has decided to start hunting whales,
and I am participating in the international boycott of all Korean products!

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Arn
By Arn (Jul 17, 2012)

Yeah, shame on you Samsung for participating in the whale hunt business!!! Wait... wut?

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Oli4D
By Oli4D (Jul 17, 2012)

Well that's not really Samsungs fault.
However, I agree that Korean products should be boycotted for this ridiculous step into whale hunting.

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MGJA
By MGJA (Jul 17, 2012)

I really hope you don't have a Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus or Panasonic... you do know what Japan has been doing for decades now, right? Right?

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Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Jul 17, 2012)

And mean time Americans make troubles to other states on the planet...

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 17, 2012)

And the good ole USA also whales? (alaska eskimos with their traditional explosive harpoons)

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 17, 2012)

Might as well boycott every company in the world since practically every country has made crimes against the environment.

Also:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/south-korea-decided-to-scrap-research-whaling-plans-yielding-to-vocal-criticism/2012/07/17/gJQAlqXsqW_story.html

But yeah, Korea's not even the worst example in these kind of situations and you decide to boycott them? Seems more like an ignorance issue than a reasonable cause...

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Jul 19, 2012)

What are you going to do with your Japanese cameras. I think you should destroy them and post the picture in DPR to show your comitment to whales. What make would you suggest that has no links with whale hunting countries?

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limlh
By limlh (Jul 17, 2012)

Lower price still doesn't make it more competitive. A sensor made by Sony might make it more competitive. Still, with the advent of LX7 with 1 inch sensor, it will slip into oblivion.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 17, 2012)

you must be one of those sony fan boys.

cheaper price, brighter lens, articulated screen....it won't have the best sensor performance, but its size wasn't meant to. it fits needs for certain people, obviously you're not one of them. doens't mean it's a bad camera

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jul 17, 2012)

Sensor size is not everything. If Panasonic gives more at the same price, sure, the Samsung will be at a disadvantage, but we'll have to see about that. Meanwhile, this is an attractive camera. We don't even have tests of it yet and people are writing it off. Silly.

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MichaelEchos
By MichaelEchos (Jul 17, 2012)

Hmmm. Sensor size is nothing. Fstop is nothing. Most important thing is equivalent aperture and sensor efficiency.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 17, 2012)

the lx7 is a mystery at this point. no one can decide what to do based on rumours

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jul 17, 2012)

michael I agree its about dof

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jul 17, 2012)

I would have thought it was more about low light performance than DOF!

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jul 17, 2012)

@kodakchrome i don't think that's what he meant.....if you want DOF, sensor size and f stop IS something.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Jul 17, 2012)

MichaelEchos hits the nail on the head with his comment, but most people in the market for compact cameras fail to understand this concept. And with so many sensor sizes now available, the manufacturers are taking advantage of this confusion.

As for the EX2F's sensor, I suspect (and hope) it is made by Sony. The EX1/TL500 had a Sony sensor.

Could we stop talking about a Panasonic LX7? If the naming convention remains the same (LX1, LX2, LX3, LX4 skipped for superstitious reasons, LX5), we'll get an LX6 next.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 17, 2012)

Haha, I told everyone on the original news article this would be the price :). Makes for a great competitor in this class of camera.

Carl

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (Jul 17, 2012)

Whoa 1.4? Might be a game changer.

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TwoKseven
By TwoKseven (Jul 17, 2012)

Looks awesome.......

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jul 17, 2012)

why still no image samples?
How do I know it is good

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Jul 17, 2012)

Soon... soon....

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AllanZ
By AllanZ (Jul 16, 2012)

Nice price i want one!!! love the f1.4!!! :D keep these affordable prices up and samsung will fly in camera sales

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Jul 16, 2012)

I pre-ordered at B&H for $499 with a $549 MSRP.

Will they automatically lower the pre-order price?

Or will I have to cancel my pre-order?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jul 17, 2012)

Just ask them, they are cool.

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geoson
By geoson (Jul 16, 2012)

$399 is when I pulled the trigger on the TL500. Patience!

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Pixel Judge
By Pixel Judge (Jul 16, 2012)

How about $399???
Then, I will buy one for sure!

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jul 17, 2012)

Give it 4-5 months and it will drop to that. But then something else will come out that you want. IE: LX7 or XZ-2

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grafli
By grafli (Jul 16, 2012)

I'll buy one!

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