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Concert Footage from Nokia 808 Pureview

By dpreview staff on Jul 12, 2012 at 22:53 GMT

Nokia-centric site All About Symbian has posted live concert video footage shot on-stage with the Nokia 808 PureView smartphone. The Nokia 808 has made headlines for its unusually large 41MP imaging sensor and 'PureView' technology, which oversamples to give high-quality 3-8MP output or crops to give effective zoom without having to drop to low pixel counts or upsample. It can also capture full HD video footage and its inbuilt stereo microphone can handle audio up to 140db (louder than a military jet).

We'll be posting a report on the 808 soon but, in the meantime, click through to get a taste of the 808's video capabilities in a very challenging (and loud) environment. (via All About Symbian).

Nokia 808 PureView concert footage 

 For more details on this footage, and on the Nokia 808 PureView, head over to All About Symbian

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andrew79
By andrew79 (10 months ago)

the jello effect is annoying as always in smartphones and cheap digital cameras...if they manage to get rid of it in the future and increase the optical zoom a bit,it will be able to replace a midrange camcorder

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martin0reg
By martin0reg (Jul 23, 2012)

"to give an impression of what rich recording does for audio"

http://www.symbiantweet.com/weekend-watch-nokia-808-pureview-low-light-loud-noise-video-sample-street-dance

Look and hear minute 2:00, there's a comparison with a "normal" smartphone...

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Jul 21, 2012)

Dear dpreview, would you please make review of Pentad 645D, which is also another 40 megapixel camera.

You can review its fotographic & video capabilities to show us difference. If there is any. They are both 40 mpx right ? Sorry Nokia has 1 more of it...

:)

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 22, 2012)

One will need deep pockets for that one though, quite literally.

=)

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EasycapExpertti
By EasycapExpertti (Jul 18, 2012)

One of the best collection of Nokia 808 Pureview music footage: http://nokia808recordings.blogspot.fi/

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 17, 2012)

This 41 mp sensor story is quite ridiculous ...... but... Così è (se vi pare) !!!!!!!

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 17, 2012)

What is your mission, Mr Pathetic?

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EasycapExpertti
By EasycapExpertti (Jul 18, 2012)

You have not read any reviews or comparision tests of Nokia 808? I can tell You that Nokia 808 is no doubt the best camera phone at this moment and it has beaten also many DSLR cameras in the tests. Here is for example GSMArena test where they didn't found big differences of the quality between Nokia 808 and 5 times more expensive (700$ vs. 3500$) Canon 5D DSLR camera: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-808-PureView-goes-against...-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III_id31395/

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 18, 2012)

Hehe, gel has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. But surely he's talking a lot. Maybe you Petrogel think it's not the quality but the quantity that matters, hehee.

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Schwermetall
By Schwermetall (Jul 17, 2012)

The 808 is a amazing phone and would be the right successor for my Nokia N8... but it have Symbian and because that I've still wait if there will be a Android phone with a good camera.
Don't missunderstand me I think Symbian is not bad but the most app devlepors leaving this platform and this is a serious problem.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jul 18, 2012)

Sure, Mr. Trojan Elop killed it for Microsoft's benefit.

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martin0reg
By martin0reg (Jul 17, 2012)

I still can't believe the sound quality coming out of this small device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRCl7I_XFRM
It would be the definite camera gear for concerts - if it only had better video stabilisation .. nokia please..

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malcolm82
By malcolm82 (Jul 18, 2012)

Agreed, and i am sure it is coming :)
Though i am waiting for the 3840x2160p60 version.

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Jul 16, 2012)

i zipped two small raw video files from the phone, if anyone is interested in the video quality, that way you don't have to deal with the youtube compression.

http://www.mediafire.com/?yf5qbs1ne805s8r

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grumpyolderman
By grumpyolderman (Jul 17, 2012)

Hey, good idea, cant get it to download, will try later again...

Cheers

JL

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grumpyolderman
By grumpyolderman (Jul 17, 2012)

got it now, very impressive!

JL

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Jul 15, 2012)

I think almost everyone has this bassackwards. This is not an issue of camera video vs smartphone video. It is not an issue of video at all. It's an issue of sound, and in particular loud concert sound, and the issue of that sound blowing out. I have some wonderful videos of concerts that I've been to that have only one issue - the sound is blown out and distorted. Yes, you can add external level-limited mics to most dSLRs, but given it can be achieved at a low cost of manufacter, I don't see any technical or budgetary reason why they don't already include mics that can handle higher db like this phone and the newer iPhones (for example) seem to be able to "and its inbuilt stereo microphone can handle audio up to 140db".

The only reason I can think of is to not cannibalise their pro lines and audio accessories, and hopefully more smartphones having this capability will force them to include it in more cameras too.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 15, 2012)

What do the camera manufacturers do then if in profound tests it turns out that this thing in way better than all the pocketable canikolympussies - plus, what's even worse, when they can't compete in the smartphone part at all?

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OttoVonChriek
By OttoVonChriek (Jul 15, 2012)

Well this is surely something that is already happening, insofar as many people, maybe most, who are only interested in snapshots do tend to use their phones.

And so yes, if we have a larger sensor camera in our phones then I am sure this has more appeal to photographers, but surely only as long as it remains pocket-able, and that surely places many limits.

Let's not forget that whilst the image quality we see here is high when compared to smartphones, it is pretty average when compared to cameras with similar sized sensors.

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Jul 16, 2012)

I see more and more people using their phones for daily/random shots.. especially since the 4s came out, the quality in good conditions is more than enough for most people. PandS makers know this, and they know its a matter of time.. they either have to start making really amazing point and shoots, or they are out. But there is an issue with that as well.. they don't want to narrow down the gap between ps and dslrs, because then who would spent over 600 on a entry level dslr ?

Nokia doesn't care about any of this, and this is why they made the 808...

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Jul 17, 2012)

As far as "use" is concerned, smartphones are already eating into the compact camera market.

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OttoVonChriek
By OttoVonChriek (Jul 15, 2012)

I must say that's an amazing story. To tell you the truth I thought Nokia were still the undisputed kings of the comms world. They probably were when I purchased my Nokia, but that was all too many years ago :-)

So is this Elop chap still in charge? I think if I were in his shoes I's be afraid to walk the streets of Helsinki.....Nokia was their pride and joy.

All this Canon Vs Nikon tripe we photographers get into...it looks like a kids brawl in a sandpit compared to the smartphone market!

So here's the biggy, leading on from Petrogel's comment, is this large sensor cameraphone Nokias last ditch attempt at saving something? Because if they can get good photos from a phone it may actually work.

But then again, maybe they will have to compete against an android smartphone enhanced NX10. And which would you buy?

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Jul 17, 2012)

Using a phone to take pictures looks normal...

but using a camera to make calls, hmm. Either it's innovative, or realy bugging.

How hilarious it would be when you're out on a vacation and suddenly a boss/client calls through 3G on your camera to tell you that you have "work needing immediate attention" lol

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Now makes sense why Nokia is barking for 49mp sensored "smartphone"
'Bond-rating agencies took note and promptly downgraded Nokia's debt to junk status,

'http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jun/18/nokia-mobile-phones-microsoft

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

That is a very stupid thing to say, but nothing new from you; more entertainment to come, I'm afraid?

You do realise that resource hungry R&D for PureView imager ASIC and DSP technology was initiated when Nokia was indisputably the leader of telecommunications equipment sector, don't you? That is many years ago, long before the present struggle against sliding market share.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

you said it ..... many years ago

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

Yes, I have no problem with being objective. Maybe you could try that too, for a change?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

What about this one ?

http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/07/nokia-808-pureview/

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Infms
By Infms (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel To quote a comment on the wired.com review...

"This is the most complete phone on the planet and nobody can question that. Or maybe you'd like to give me an example of a phone with a big sensor with quite usable 2-3x zoom, xenon flash, HDMI, FM Transmitter/Radio, Penta-band 3G, SD Card, standby screen showing all the time clock/lost calls, USB OTG, NFC, DLNA, best sound recording available, Dolby Sound, built in profiles, free offline GPS navigation, etc."

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

you don't mind if i'll do the same ....

That doesn’t mean it’s a good phone. It’s actually a pretty terrible phone with an outstanding camera. You should only consider buying the 808 PureView if you really love mobile phone photography

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel
Well that's a good one, especially because it's true. But then again, I believe the best jokes usually are.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

It's good to believe that " jokes usually are "

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

Obviously you didn't understand what was meant, here is an example: I find it funny when a friend tells me that when he was doing shopping some other customer in the shop thought he was a sales person and started to explain his specific needs to my friend.

But I do recognise that sense of humour is a personal thing reflecting cultural background, upbringing and personality.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

As you say humour reflects a lot of things but it has differences from place to place you didn't got mine but you hasten explaining yours, emphasizing the reflection of culture brightness and personality a funny person you are, maybe more funny than objective for sure .

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

So isn't funniness then objective when it is based on reality?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Reality is more objectiveness than funniness as is not always funny ...

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

The question is not about qualities of reality, it is about the funniness based on reality and its objectiveness thereof.

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jul 15, 2012)

Nokia really needs Android.

Symbian is struggling and Microsoft doesn't support Nokia either.

Sales slumped using Microsoft on smartphones and Symbian on smaller phones:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/15/nokia-phone-pricecut-idINL2E8IF2MI20120715

Go Android, like Sony did

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Exactly ..... Nokia needs android BADLY

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jul 15, 2012)

Nokia made terrible mistakes, first by sticky with Symbian, and then even worse, going Microsoft. (Sigh) It is so painful to see such a great company going down with just a couple of bad decisions, but really bad decisions.

If you can't beat them, join them. Android is all the rage, if you are not Apple. This is not going to change any time soon.

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jul 15, 2012)

Putting all these wonderful camera features with a Symbian phone just proved that Nokia is still stubbornly trying to ignore what the consumers have been telling it for years. Give up! See what Android can do with such a nice camera and with the Nokia build quality.

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

@Sergey Borachev
I think you are seeing Nokia's competitors' strengths as Nokia's weaknesses. Apple's admirable success has been build on their strong lifestyle brand image and carefully segmented marketing starting from their strong follower base with brand loyalty beyond explanation. Android has been so successful mainly because of its licensing scheme which has created strong market presence through a plethora of devices.

What comes to Microsoft WP, I believe the jury is still out there. By the end of next year and with Windows 8 family we will be wiser to make conclusions. Nokia has other plans should WP strategy turn out to be a let down, no specifics has been published in this regard.

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jul 16, 2012)

@Virvatulet

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

no it is too late , Nokia is considered to be a dead company in Asia.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 16, 2012)

@3systermuser

Which has turned out to be a good thing for us Aussies. Asian markets have been receiving stock of the 808 which has allowed us to import them relatively cheaply. Around AUD $600 delivered to our door is a great deal.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 16, 2012)

Asia is a big continent, Europe is a moneyless continent (Under Apple's and Android's influence ), Australia is 23 milion continent from which only sir_bazz bought the device and Nokia's only hope is U.S.A ......

If in Nokia they want to do something to save the name the brand and the pride, they'll might need to change marketing department

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 16, 2012)

And that's only for starters, cause Symbian is next !!!!

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 16, 2012)

Our market is small by global standards (and Nokia Australia have already made a decision that the future is with WP8) but importing an 808 from Singapore is over AUD $100 cheaper than buying an iphone 4s or Samsung Galaxy SIII making it a very attractive camera phone option.

One of our local forums has a 120 page thread on the 808, (since February 2012), with many posters having also imported from Singapore.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1874250

We're all grateful for the Asian market where prices are more realistic and postage is cheap. :)

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Vladik
By Vladik (Jul 16, 2012)

Android is garbage, it's perfect for a garbage HTC brand. Only now after 5+ years, Android somewhat got decent, but still pure dreck!

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Jul 15, 2012)

I made a quick browser test on mine today, here is the video.. not bad overall. You can also see a bit of symbian on there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXKX-irX40

Overall I am very happy with it..

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OttoVonChriek
By OttoVonChriek (Jul 15, 2012)

Now I must say I find this phone quite interesting, what photographer would not like a phone with such a large sensor!

I must say though that I am a bit confused about the phone in general. It says it is based on Symbian OS, something I thought was dead. So then I followed a few links and it appears it sure is.

And so the whole thing ends in an enigma. You see I read in one place that they used Symbian OS because it is so much better for app development and apps run faster than on the newer mobile platforms. OK, I'll buy that.

But it seems difficult to me that application developers would be interested in developing image processing software for a platform which is officially dead.

I'm sure some of you phone experts can illuminate me!

Or maybe the next 'big thing' in the smartphone market will be a full frame dos based device :-)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 15, 2012)

"But it seems difficult to me that application developers would be interested in developing image processing software for a platform which is officially dead."

Why not? I've (as a developer of several free iPhone 3GS / 4 / 4S / iPad 3 video camera enhancer apps in Cydia) already promised the folks I'll develop some tools for the 808 as well, as long as the API does allow for any kind of enhancement: for example, "tapping into" the image stream to allow, for example, for grabbing individual photos while video is recorded etc.

For free, of course - as has been my iOS stuff also free. It's just a decent challenge for me, of which I can also publish an article series like "An iOS developer's adventures into Symbian land" :)

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Ryan Gadz
By Ryan Gadz (Jul 15, 2012)

This was already years in development before they decided to switch to Windows Phone so instead of waiting even longer, they chose to showcase their technology on Symbian. Pureview will come to Windows Phone 8 and as a developer of the platform I can say there is a lot of interest in the platform.

The power of directX with this camera sensor is going to be very impressive and desirable platform for developers of all backgrounds. I can't wait to see what Nokia has coming this October.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

needs android not windows.

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iforum
By iforum (Jul 15, 2012)

Too bad most just don't understand stage sound of concerts,......as stated before sound is set up for the audience. yea it is pretty crappy on stage especially in the wings"....... Braun you are presenting your lack of understanding

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

and the music itself played there is as crappy as this Nokia.

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Bram de Mooij
By Bram de Mooij (Jul 15, 2012)

Is this to show sound / video quality or is it to show the lack of it ?
Video is nice for a phone. Sound is crap, as it always is with phones.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Exactly !!!!
In here you are seeing people that anxiously trying to convince others about the superiority of this phone over everything else that can take photos

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

@ Menseisyys
I would, if they were objective, but they are not, the sound of the video, for me, is the least .... indifferent .

Finland is one of the countries UNFORTUNATELY i haven't visited yet, i would consider even living in Finland, specially during the summertime ( right now the temp outside is 40+ Celsius ). So don't tell me about Finnish or not.

So we'll be waiting for dpreview's in depth review to see who's wrong or not .........

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel
"if you want to turn it politically (like your friend virvatulet wanted to talk about English grammar on a previous article that's O.K with me)"

How twisted can your memory be, Petrogel? You were the one who started correcting another writer's (Sir_bazz) grammar in a self-absorbed and incorrect way still, so I just nicely pointed out that you were wrong.

BTW, this idea about grunge towards Finland for being so stringent has crossed my mind also. But remember, we agreed on the conditions and Greece got a financial support plan, now it's up to you to get your economy in balance. Show firm determination to do so and surely the rest of the Europe will stand by you.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Slow down mate, who's " grunge towards Finland" ?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

and point it where i wrote it ?

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Infms
By Infms (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel Relax, fella. Why so much aggression?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

no aggression mate !!!

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 16, 2012)

@Bram

Sound is crap compared to audio sourced from the mixing desk but it's also good compared to what we normally expect from an internal microphone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJHeSJRYmcs

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

Noboday likes Nokia and it is thought to be a dead company.
And nobody like the OS used in this phone.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 16, 2012)

@3systermuser

Wasn't that long ago when Apple was a dead company.

Nobody liked that OS either.

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Andrylie
By Andrylie (Jul 15, 2012)

Tested 1 unit directly from Nokia. Great screen, IQ and video for a smartphone. This is good for a secondary camera next to your DSLR, even for a journalist. Great for grandparents who don't want to be bothered with too much gadgets but love to get good pictures with grandchildren. US$730 in my country.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

should be 200USD or wont sell many, it is basically basing all on a dead OS + dead hardware techs from the last decade.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 16, 2012)

"should be 200USD or wont sell many, it is basically basing all on a dead OS + dead hardware techs from the last decade."

LOLZ! Where is NFC in the iPhone? Pentaband? FM receiver / transmitter? A decent camera? A standardized(!!!) HDMI socket?

Get your facts right, pal...

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Jul 15, 2012)

Got mine from amazon two days ago.. can't wait to test the audio recording at a concert or a club, they've done a great job with this device overall, great built quality, and its much smaller than it looks on pictures and video.

Great to hear that DPreview is doing a report on it!

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Simon97
By Simon97 (Jul 15, 2012)

Very good audio. One of my biggest gripes with point & shoot video is the crappy audio. Most compact cameras compress the sound dynamics to make the softer sounds seem louder and it makes mush of live music. It make bass seem nonexistent. My Canon S95 records stereo, but the compression makes live music recording shameful.

This camera phone did very well. There is bass and DR. The compressed nature of loud rock music may not be the best test, but again, this looks good.

This is a wake-up call to the point and shoot camera makers. A camera phone that trumps most P&S camera photo, video and audio!

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Jul 14, 2012)

You know I have an old Motorola phone I have had for 10 years now. I retired and don't even carry one with me anymore. But this is the first thing I think I will buy that is a phone also. Hummmmm I swore I would never have another phone after 30 years carrying one daily for work.
So I am in... :)

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Snaaks
By Snaaks (Jul 14, 2012)

Very good quality.
although i think the audio has been taken from an external source. As the film guy walks across the stage, the sound character stays roughly the same. At some point the filmer is very close to the drummer, you'd expect much noise from the drum kit but the balance of instruments is unchanged.
However the video quality is outstanding.

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doctor digi
By doctor digi (Jul 15, 2012)

As it gets closer to the drummer the sound increases. Listen carefully; it's fairly obvious and I'm no audiophile.

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Ryan Gadz
By Ryan Gadz (Jul 15, 2012)

might the instruments be .. electric? ;) sound on the stage is very different from what the audience hears. The important thing to note about the audio is the dynamic range it records as well as the unheard of decibel levels coming from such a small device. Most cameras will cut out at concerts because they are just too loud.

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Ivan Lietaert
By Ivan Lietaert (Jul 14, 2012)

After my first viceral reaction was censored, I took my time to listen to this recording again.
Well, I honestly don't see the news value of this. It is a mediocre video recording with a smartphone of a Foo Fighters tribute band.
The video is mediocre, and the sound is awful: just listen to the singer's voice.
I own a Zoom H1, costing under 100 euro, and it would do a much better job at recording this. Throw in a 350 euro m4/3 olympus camera, and you'll have much better video.
I really don't see the value of this product, unless it is for illegal recording of gigs.

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Jul 14, 2012)

How about the practicality of having your zoom h1 and olympus, plus a 5d, plus a garmin, plus a pc to sync sound and upload, plus a phone all ready to go at anytime and which fits in your pocket

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Infms
By Infms (Jul 14, 2012)

For all the skeptics, the 808 uses what's known as Rich Recording Technology, details of which are explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RHQC0eS_k

Forget about your quad-core CPU; other manufacturers can replicate that in a matter of months. This is true innovation. How many concert videos have you watched on YouTube and thought: "Argh I wish this had better sound quality!"

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jul 14, 2012)

If only it has ANDROID ..........................

Symbian is dead !!!

Wait for next generation of pureview Nokia 809

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

whys it dead? its getting supported for at least a few more years... and although the app growth has slowed to a crawl its still growing... dont tell me you dont upgrade your phones within 4 years time

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 14, 2012)

Symbian is dead but only by name.

The current version is officially known as Nokia Belle and will see future development and support from Accenture until 2016.

That's longer than we can expect as the average life of this phone.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

Symbian died at its birth

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 14, 2012)

@ Petrogel
Do you have any idea how many Symbian based smartphones have been sold worldwide?

Calling something DOA that has historically powered the largest number of smartphones ever and still is powering a considerable amount of them just goes to underline the fact that you are a man on a mission. And a bitter mission that is.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

..... part 2
@ Virvatulet
I'm also sure that in the future historians will give credit to the O.S, as you say above

Now, as long as posts eulogize the 49mp sensor as the main factor of the good photograph, i'll be here commenting what i know and not what i believe !!!!

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel

At least you've finally publicly admitted to being anti-Nokia which is a good thing.

But you do appear to be on a crusade against Nokia no matter how good or bad the product really is.

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atetuna
By atetuna (Jul 15, 2012)

I'm waiting for this hardware with a different OS. It can't come too soon.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

Dear Sir_bazz
How is the weather in Melbourne ?

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel

Friggen freezing...middle of winter here is always cold and windy.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 15, 2012)

40+ Celsius here

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jul 15, 2012)

I know. It's history. It belongs to the past.
Android will hold 61% the market.
Nokia was too late to realize, now they have to act quick.

All three major credit rating agencies categorized Nokia as "JUNK"

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/15/nokia-phone-pricecut-idINL2E8IF2MI20120715

Go Android ... Nokia

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jul 16, 2012)

before that Nokia goes bankrupt , so no worry ,you will never see it materialized.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 16, 2012)

@3systermuser

Your track record of predictions is pretty bad though. Remember this one from 18months ago?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=37535852

this is true Hoya revealed it to some stock holders here in Japan in last month , but it will be FF and DA crop.

I will get the FF mirrorless from Hoya because I want to use the FA limited on a FF.

I think as Nikon and Sony release some pro level mirroless soon , APS-C will be really doomed.

And there will be EOS Rebel FF soon (announced in Aug this year).

And the FF rebel will cost less than 1.5k.

The D800 will be out in next month for about 2.2k.

So, there will be no chance for any high end APS-C in this market.

There will be either FF or mirroless.

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Jay Kim
By Jay Kim (Jul 17, 2012)

@Petrogel re "The reasons i became so anti- nokian is :
Firstly the representation of nokia itself in my country (Greece ) and second the behavior of the symbian O.S on some of the nokia devices i used to own (5730, N79 and the worst of all and recently bought C2-06)"

So you never owned a Symbian^3 nor Symbian Belle+ OS phone but hate this latest phone with Belle? Oh, and C2-06 doesn't even run Symbian OS. (S40 is NOT Symbian and never was) Please try and hate this product for the technically correct reasons if you are able.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 17, 2012)

@Mr Hilarious

"the funniest of all (touching the edge of hilarious )is the comparison of the phone's camera versus APS-C or even full frame (4 to 5 microns pixeled sensors DSLR's. ..... ......... "

What's so funny about it? A picture is a picture, you can always copare them, and you should.

"COME ON GIVE US A BREAK ......"

Really, that's what I (we) want from you, give us a break.

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Jay Kim
By Jay Kim (Jul 17, 2012)

@Petrogel

Your argument about pixel size is a terrible one and proved that you are not able. Heck, it's even technically irrelevant until you take into account everything else. (I used to have a Canon D30 with 10micron pixels. So it must be better than the current cameras right?)

I'm sure you know but maybe blinded by hatred that a camera isn't all about pixel size. It's also not all about how many frames per second it can do, how high ISO it can go etc. It's about being the right camera for the right person and being available at the right time.

This 808 PureView phone has a never-before-heard-of resolution and physical size sensor usually associated with a mobile phone let alone any compact cameras. It also has the image quality to match that claim and can keep pixel-level detail with more cropping than ANY other compact camera. (heck and even most DSLRs) If you know of a decent compact camera that can beat its crop capability, please let me know as I sure don't know of one.

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Jay Kim
By Jay Kim (Jul 17, 2012)

@Petrogel - continuing on...

Also, if we stop even for a moment comparing this phone to any cameras and just compare it to other phones, surely you have to agree that this phone has the BEST and most capable camera of all mobile phones in history.

If you were the head of Nokia Imaging, would you have made low megapixel large sized sensor instead? Say 5MP resolution but keeping its super sized sensor size? If you did, do you think it'll sell much better? What would the consumers say? (I can hear them saying oh, it's only 5MP. My iPhone4s with 8MP is better than that crappy camera.) Other than maybe high ISO capability, what does it bring new or exciting to the table? Just take a look at the Foveon sensored cameras in the Sigma. They are awesome, but nobody really cares. Pixel quality is the last thing most general consumers care about. (or more like, they have no idea)

Anyways, you did say that it's a nice phone (not camera) so not all is lost. =p

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 18, 2012)

Megapixels are good when they are good. I've never met a photographer who would have been complaining that his camera has too much resolution, as long as the other stuff is OK too. Nokia did right with this thing.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

I've got a few problems with the 808 that should hopefully be fixed with a firmware update.

1) Cameras viewfinder will black out and only the UI will show, I can still snap pics but can't see (but this hasnt recurred)

2) and sometimes when snapping photos i will get a blank/black jpeg file and the only way to rectify it is to switch shooting modes

3) another is when Bracketing stills you can select either 3 or 5 stills to be taken and a range of exposures to capture when opting for -4.0/+4.0 exposures it only captures 4 stills instead of the selected 5

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Gadgety
By Gadgety (Jul 14, 2012)

Pureviewly awesome!

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nightshadow1
By nightshadow1 (Jul 14, 2012)

Foo Fighters... or stacked Actors... Luv this Foo fighters song and this footage is amazing... This is the future if only Nokia would get their stuff together and ditch Symbian... This is what the iPhone should put into their new releases... Nobody could touch them for years. For u android fans... if you buy an android phone in some countries, you are stuck... really have update problems... and if you bought your in a different country from where you are, the shops that sell android will not update you... u can get around this of course... internet... wifi ... right now, iPhone definitely rules! Just like Nokia did just a few short years ago...

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Suave
By Suave (Jul 14, 2012)

Wait, it runs on Symbian? Nokia still tries to push it?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 14, 2012)

With Nokia having completely switched to WP, they don't push (spend money on advertising) the 808 at all. There haven't been a single 808 ad anywhere, not even in the Finnish media - as opposed to the Lumia series.

The 808 is more of a swan song or a tech demo ("use this before we come up with a PV-based WP Lumia") of Nokia.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

@petrogel how about posting after having some experience with the camera or at the very least after reading some of the millions of positive reviews on it

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jul 14, 2012)

Symbian is dead !!!!!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 14, 2012)

"Symbian is dead !!!!!"

It might be dead. However, it WORKS. Its being discontinued only means you won't get thousands of iFart apps for it.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@stylinred
how about fixing your "few problems" first with a firmware update ? and then post a positive "review"

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

@petrogel which phone let alone device doesnt have bugs that need to be worked out for early adopters?

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zapatista
By zapatista (Jul 14, 2012)

So does it come with IBIS or lens based stabilization? :P

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Jul 13, 2012)

It's a great package, outstanding camera, video, phone, sound, and free maps for navigation. I only wish it was shaped like the Lumias though...and not soo expensive.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

Yeah, price IS a problem... for example, it went up from 509 euros to 650(!!!) euros at amazon.de. There is huge demand from early adapters and the entire stock is sold out almost everywhere.

I can only hope the price comes down a bit in the near future.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

@3DSimmon you know I didn't like the design much either initially but it grew on me and considering the sensor the design makes sense

after getting the 808 in my hand WOW!!!! it looks fantastic!! far better than pics/videos

@menneisyys I actually had an order at the promo price on .de but after a month it still didnt ship -_- so i switched to amazon.fr

stock is non-existent especially for the Red unit :/

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 14, 2012)

"@menneisyys I actually had an order at the promo price on .de but after a month it still didnt ship -_- so i switched to amazon.fr "

WOW! Thanks! It's even cheaper than on Amazon.de (and in Finland) - and is in stock! I think I'll order from there. Hope they won't mess up the warranty.

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bigmikeg
By bigmikeg (Jul 14, 2012)

A nokia bigwig recently confirmed that pureview would be on some of the new Nokia Windows Phone 8 this fall, so you might well be able to get a Lumia with pureview.

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Pentax_Prime
By Pentax_Prime (Jul 13, 2012)

FYI: This is NOT the Foo Fighters - it's a cover band. "Stacked Actors" is the name of a Foo Fighters song ... looks like someone pulled one over on DPR.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Jul 14, 2012)

Where exactly do we say it's the Foo Fighters?

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Pentax_Prime
By Pentax_Prime (Jul 15, 2012)

In the title of the video where you overlayed "Foo Fighters" which is the name of the band this band is attempting to impersonate. You also failed to mention it was a cover band ...

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dgmessenger
By dgmessenger (Jul 13, 2012)

Owned this phone all but of one day. Sent it back. The pictures are simply astounding for a device this size! However, I hated using this phone! The UI was slow and clumsy. The low screen rez was also disheartening.

I'm completely baffled why Nokia didn't build this phone around Android! The mimic attempt was just unworkable! I guess, just too many cost to consider.

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dgmessenger
By dgmessenger (Jul 13, 2012)

Owned this phone all but of one day. Sent it back. The pictures are simply astounding for a device this size! However, I hated using this phone! The UI was slow and clumsy. The low screen rez was also disheartening.

I'm completely baffled why Nokia didn't build this phone around Android! The mimic attempt was just unworkable! I guess, just too many cost to consider.

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Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 14, 2012)

This looks like a shill post--the OS is not slow and the screen rez is fine. You are completely baffled why Nokia did not put Pureview on a bloated pig OS like Android? How about speed and battery life?

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dgmessenger
By dgmessenger (Jul 16, 2012)

The screen rez is crappy compared to the standard of phones in this cost range. Sorry if those facts confuse you. That cheesy Android like knockoff they had running on this phone was clumsy and slow!! I owned the phone! Have you? I'm sure you haven't. Go troll somewhere else.

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Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 17, 2012)

Screen rez is just only one factor--how about color saturation and readability in bright sun? The Nokia 808's screen looks much nicer because the colors are not washed out and faded. And yes I own one see my posts in forums.

Face it, all other camphone fail due to low quality pics--THE most important feature of a camphone.

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ddolde
By ddolde (Jul 13, 2012)

But what difference does it make if it's 40+ megapixels ? 1080p doesn't need that kind of resolution

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

...but stills do, and the 808 does utilize them in both the native and the upsampled stills mode (check out the GSMArena reviews). And, when properly utilized (read: all pixels downsampled without line skipping), 1080p video coming off such a sensor can be highly detailed (making almost full use of the 1080p target resolution) and noise-free. Too bad most current consumer/prosumer digital cameras (except for a very few: GH2, Canon 5D MK II) don't do this, resulting in ugly, aliased and/or noisy and/or poorly detailed (seen how Nikon's P&S cameras behave in this respect? they're awful and hardly deliver better true resolution than 720p when recording 1080p footage...) video.

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Infms
By Infms (Jul 14, 2012)

As with photo-mode the huge number of pixels allows for seriously impressive lossless zoom when capturing video:

1080p video 4x lossless zoom
720p video 6x lossless zoom
360p video 12x lossless zoom (think binoculars!)

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 13, 2012)

Amazing quality that video has, what else can you say. I mean if you don't want to lie.

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reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 13, 2012)

Most buyers nowadays are female buyers and they don't think, they feel! They would say: "I feel this phone ain't quite matching enough of my bags, shoes, and blouses, so I am not buying it! ;) Who cares about the 40 mp? I don't need ... speed (besdie, isn't it mph?) , I need a phone that people love ... me!" ;)

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Jul 13, 2012)

Most women imo buy cheaper phones than men. They still prefer to use it as a phone and don't get so hung up by the latest feature. Thinking about women. I think a high resolution front camera would rule their world.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

"Most women imo buy cheaper phones than men."

This isn't always true. There are more women iPhone users than men - as opposed to all other smartphone OS'es, particularly the "geeky" Android. There was a quite interesing article on exactly this subject about two months ago; I can look it up if you want to read more on it.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jul 13, 2012)

Wow, so Nokia releases a phone that has video as good as a DSLR, is cheaper than an iPhone 4s and people complain about it. No wonder Nokia has gone so far down hill, people these days want to buy marketing catch-phrases and hype-devices.

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Jul 13, 2012)

You are right. One has to wonder what goes in ppls heads. Sure apps are nice, and the belle built in browser is still crap(opera much better). But are these time wasters(apps) realy better than a nicely made device? Better than quality sound, great looking screen, while not the highest resolution, it's still very smooth and great contrast. And now even a state of the art camera and mic? Imho, apps and even the ecco system are way overrated. Except if you are married to the phone.

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rrizw
By rrizw (Jul 14, 2012)

that is not the problem

Nokia 808 Pureview has the best camera phone ever. But as a smartphone, it fail.

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dark goob
By dark goob (Jul 13, 2012)

That's because Apple's products are based on more than just technical specs. They have earned their "hype" by, you know, INNOVATING while companies like Nokia were pumping out plasticky crud phones. Anyone remember what phones were like before iPhone? Or does your traumatic memory block it out?

Not to downplay the interesting features of this device. I'm impressed with Nokia's innovative design for the camera. Maybe they should make cameras. I would buy this if it didn't have a craptastic phone OS cobbled onto it.

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reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 13, 2012)

Some people really like the "cratastic OS"! BTW, have you tried it, not that this matters, of course!!!? ;)

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Jul 13, 2012)

The iphone wasn't realy a phone but a hand held device that was already been worked on in the form of an ipod. The iphone needed only the communication module to become an ipod that can make phone calls. It's not nokia's fault that the gap between hand held devices and phones has been bridged by the darling of silicon valey under the protectionism of the us government and it's tech as entertainment industries before itself. Nokia was big but still small compared to the it sector of north america. Also, nokia was betrayed by boycott breakers from asia who saw their chance to get a share instead of nokia.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

what did apple innovate exactly??? except use what was available... and buy what was cool to install on their os... or steal from other os' (like nokia) ..... hmm.... innovative eh...

yeah i remember phones before the iphone... they still have more features than the iphone4s... i remember pocketPCs and iPaqs remember those? hmm apple innovative... hmmm right

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Alupang
By Alupang (Jul 14, 2012)

Apples' INNOVATING with no microSD slot and non-removable batteries and no USB??

How much does Apple charge to upgrade i-phone from 16 to 32gb? I just bought a 32gb MicroSD card for $20. Apple banks on ignorant mass consumers. You call this innovation?

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Magnus3D
By Magnus3D (Jul 13, 2012)

If Apple released a device with these technical specs no one would have complained about it, it would have been instantly overhyped and cost just as much as this Nokia phone does, if not more.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

it would cost over $1000 considering the price of the iphone unlocked

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Marcelo Dischinger
By Marcelo Dischinger (Jul 13, 2012)

At the time of the drums solo the stereo failed.

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reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 13, 2012)

Not on my computer!

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SHood
By SHood (Jul 13, 2012)

Now take a look at a RX100 video. There is more to video than sensor size.

http://vimeo.com/45682834

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reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 13, 2012)

Ya, but is it a phone TOO?

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

would have to see them shooting the same scene although i imagine the rx100 would edge out obviously but have you seen the video compare between the 808 and NEX7?

check out darkx on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/user/daxrx7

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Lupti
By Lupti (Jul 13, 2012)

So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.
Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.
And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

Exactly !!!! Although in my country this phone costs over 600 €

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Victor Major
By Victor Major (Jul 13, 2012)

The sound is muffled since the recorder/phone was on the stage. The sound at a live concert is not engineered to flood the stage, but to project into the audience. This has nothing to do with "low bit rate" and "sound isn't good". Additional comments about sound quality are likewise affected by the fact that the phone recorded the direct output from the instruments (drums, vocals) as well as whatever mix reached it a few milliseconds later.

Overall this was a really good performance for a tiny pocketable thing that also makes phone calls and uploads everything you do onto your favourite "cloud".

It should be cheaper though. I hope it will become cheaper.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (Jul 13, 2012)

Wow. An anti all smartphone rant in this day and age? I've lost track of the times my iphone has "saved the day" with the integrated gps/maps and web browser. Then throw in the entertainment value with games, the ability to take and send pictures with folks thousands of miles away... it's one of the truelly neat inventions of the last few years.

And regarding cost, in the US this symbian dinosaur is about the same as the iphone, and with that camera, I'd wager worth every penny.

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Caleido
By Caleido (Jul 13, 2012)

Stop whining like a little girl. This is the best smartphone-camera money currently can buy.

How you can turn all that into such a negative rant with cliché-overload, is beyond me.

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reality_check
By reality_check (Jul 13, 2012)

Well, the idea is that you have 1 item to carry that can be a decent phone and a decent camera. If you want to carry (recharge) a phone AND a camera every time you step out, okay, then buy your 1 phone and your 1 camera and your 1 camcorder! :)

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (Jul 13, 2012)

@Petrogel.

Hey dude, be reasonable at least. There is absolutely nothing that "can't be taken seriously" in that phone. You just gotta love those megapixels, when they are done like that. I'm quite sure that this camera phone takes much better images than your current camera, at least in the right hands
:) Sorry if I'm wrong.

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (Jul 13, 2012)

Exactly...I am in constant awe as to why people seem to be OK with a "mouse screen" (as you so aptly put it...) for visual media.

I can understand the concept of "saving the day", as another poster included in his reply but, when the likes of Apple and Nokia start selling phones speced as apt, photo, video and web content displays for continued viewing, and we gladly follow their marketing lead, I start to really doubt our collective discerning capabilities.

PK

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@Rage Joe
Of course and thre is but not for 690 euros (that this crap is sold in my country ) for 300 even i would buy it (not with symbian ) and there is no comparison with photo cameras, these at least have a lens

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

check out comparisons with the Sony NEX-7 and 808

http://www.youtube.com/user/daxrx7

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 14, 2012)

@stylinred

Are they your videos? You could consider burning in the comments in the video stream. At first, I watched it on my iPad 3 where CC isn't displayed and I didn't really get the point in the video. It was only later that I've, mostly by mistake, re-visited the page on a desktop to see there indeed was CC-based narration....

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

@men no its not my video

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Superka
By Superka (Jul 13, 2012)

If DPreview is reviewing phones now, why not posting film scanners reviews? The also have sensor, lens, and they convert analog photography to digital.

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gingerbaker
By gingerbaker (Jul 13, 2012)

so, how do you like working for Apple, Petrogel? Good benefits?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

@gingerbaker
I wish !!!! but -unfortunately- neither what i've studied nor what i do could get me a place in Apple inc.
Though i'm sure you can find a lot of people here working for nokia instead.

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 13, 2012)

sorry guys, but this has to be taken seriously as a photo tool so photo websites should be taking a closer look.

Why has it taken a phone company to introduce this innovation and not someone like canon or nikon?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

There is nothing to be taken seriously, Canon and Nikon already stopped the "meaningless" megapixel count (race). Canon's G11 and G12 have 10 megapixel compared to G10 that had 14 mp . They all care the quality of the information a pixel can carry !!!!

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 13, 2012)

have you actually looked at what it's doing with the pixels and why the big 41mp is FAR from "meaningless"? Have a read and you will understand.

This technology will be here to stay in a big way in all forms of cameras.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

The size of the sensor is 1/1,2 of an inch (10.8mm x 7.5mm)(81sqmm)
compare to nikon's 1 (13,2mm x 8,8mm)(116sqmm), compare to canon's G1X (18,7mm x 14mm)(261,8sqmm). Canon G12 has a smaller sensor (7,6mm x 5,7mm)(43sqmm) in canon laboratories the did exactly the opposite nokia did, they reduced the number of the megapixel G11 and G12 had compared to the G10(from 14,7mp to 10mp) just to get better per pixel quality.
Nokia's 808 sensor is based on a 1,4 microns pixel size sensor (smaller the size of the pixel less the information carried ), nokia in order to have a better quality on photos reinvents the oversampling (that's already exists in many of the photo cameras when you down-grade the number of the pixels or in photoshop when you are viewing a photo than less than 100% of it's size ) which is gathering information from more than 1 pixel.

(copy paste from an older comment of mine )

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

Petrogel, do your homework and, instead of posting uninformed BS, go read some already-existing reviews & comparisons...

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 13, 2012)

i'm sure they did and i'm sure they're great cameras, but have you also seen the picture quality coming out of the pureview, it's ability in low light compared to other cameras in it's class?

That is why it more than justifies an in depth look from DPR and other photo websites. This camera isn't about re-igniting the megapixel race, it's about bringing in great ideas into a fantastic piece of imaging technology that will be here to stay in many different forms.

(although i suspect it may well re-ignite the megapixell race as i'm pretty sure someone will spring the 81mp camera on us that samples down to 16mp and so on)

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

@Menneisyys
The ridiculous count of 41 mp carried from a sensor of 808 poor view
doesn't exists not even in Canon EOS 1D nor Nikon D4S.
Now who needs to do his homework?

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 13, 2012)

there you go again, you obviously don't understand why it has 41mp and why nokia put such a large sensor on a camera phone.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

@familyorge
believe mate i do know, more than you can imagine

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 13, 2012)

tell us why they put a "meaningless" 41mp sensor on a phone then

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

"believe mate i do know, more than you can imagine"

Oh really? Given that EVERY SINGLE comparative review published so far have shown that this thing produces excellent shots and is, low-light performance-wise, decidedly better than _any_ pre-2012 1/1.7" enthusiast cameras out there (see the Pana LX5 comparative tests), I REALLY doubt you "know, more than I can imagine"...

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 14, 2012)

@Petrogel

Maybe you should ask yourself why no one is agreeing with your point of view.

Seems that all the people here understand the technology and how it's being used, except for you.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 14, 2012)

@Petrogel again.

John Sheehy explains big pixels versus small pixels better than most. Maybe you should read his recent post here.....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=42013655

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@famlyorge
They did it and they bark for it, just to sell the incapable O.S

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@sir_bazz and @menneisyys
http://www-isl.stanford.edu/~abbas/group/papers_and_pub/pixelsize_talk.pdf

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

iF THIS ONE WON'T HELP ....... i'm sorry i can't do anything else

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

@Petrogel have you looked at the photos that people are taking with this camera?

you also note that Nokia created something that's existed in "many" cameras (not many not by far)

But you forget that Nokia started developing this camera back in 2007... but the first camera to offer pixel binning wasn't shipping until the end of 2008 (the Phase One 65+) so you really should be giving Nokia credit here for what they've created

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familyogre
By familyogre (Jul 14, 2012)

@Petrogel

As you know so much explain why they put 41mp in a phone camera, you seem to be hiding from the question. It's quite easy to find out, there's this search engine called google, it's quite handy.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@ familyogre
To sell a crappy O.S called symbian.
Now when they'll sell enough (if they'll reach the target - as marketers say- ) they'll find out that this phone can work perfectly with an O.S called windows 8 but this time they won't bark for the count of megapixels but for the size of the sensor.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 15, 2012)

@Petrogel

If you really, really believe that many small pixels are detrimental to IQ then I dare you to make your case in the forum where it's currently being discussed.

I would be interested in learning from the conversation.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

The big fuzz for nothing phone, strikes again. We've just witness the average 1080 HD video sample.
We'll be waiting the in depth preview of the -ridiculous 41mp- phone camera.

0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

Petrogel, do your homework and, instead of posting uninformed BS, go read some already-existing reviews & comparisons - CNet, GSMArena etc...

14 upvotes
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 13, 2012)

@Menneisyys
go read how much light a 1,4 micron pixel can carry !!!

and i'll give another exercise later !!!!

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

"go read how much light a 1,4 micron pixel can carry !!!"

Now, tell me the pixel size of the current 1/1.7" enthusiast P&S cameras (Pana LX5, Canon S100 etc.), will you? And tell me how the Pana LX5 compares to the 808, low light performance-wise, OK?

9 upvotes
stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 14, 2012)

you realize that the microns become huge when binned right

1 upvote
Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 14, 2012)

@stylinred
Huge is gonna be the choma artifacts and the moire pattern in low light conditions (compared to photo cameras and not phones)

@menneisyys
http://www-isl.stanford.edu/~abbas/group/papers_and_pub/pixelsize_talk.pdf

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Jul 13, 2012)

Sloightly better than my ex Sony DSC-W150 P&S camera´s video quality ;) (From 2007)

1 upvote
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jul 13, 2012)

For those who complain about missing vocals, here's a more vocal example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OB0n-xkvY7A#!

5 upvotes
martin0reg
By martin0reg (Jul 13, 2012)

Sound quality is incredible!

6 upvotes
Joesiv
By Joesiv (Jul 13, 2012)

From a part time sound engineer's perspective (sound man lol), Drums are rediculously loud, which is why often in non-concert settings they'll be in a drum cage, ideally in a fully sealed off room and mic'd. The problem is when you have so much "ambient" noise, the vocalists and insturmentalists can't hear themselves in their floor monitors without having to be cranked so high that it's 1) dangerous for their ears, but also 2) feedback is a problem as the mic's start to pick up the audio.

It's incredible that the mic in the phone can even cope with the decibels that the drums are putting out in the first place. Complaining that the vocals are missing or quiet is just the nature of things.

We're photographers, it's like dynamic range. If you "expose" for the highlights (drums), but your subject is in the shadows, they're hard to see (hear), however, hearing them at all, is impressive.

video quality was pretty good, but the cmos is making a mess of the strobes.

8 upvotes
Individual1
By Individual1 (Jul 13, 2012)

Joesiv, from a lapsed-recording engineer's perspective, your last paragraph is great, succinct analogy.

2 upvotes
RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (Jul 13, 2012)

Just one comment (as a music fan, not photographer):
This band plays a Foo Fighers song ("Hero"), but is not the Foo Fighters themselves.
Looking at the sign behind them, I would think they are a tribute band under the name 'Stacked Actors' (another FF song).
Roel

1 upvote
zoranT
By zoranT (Jul 13, 2012)

Actually, video IQ is not the 808s strength, it is rather average there. It s strength ist still image photography (easily comparable to enthusiast/prosumer compact cameras) and sound recording. There is nothing comparable out there in that regard, a quantum leap as the N8 has been. Still today, the N8 remains one of the best camera phones, topped only by the 808.

2 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

"Actually, video IQ is not the 808s strength, it is rather average there. "

Do you know of a decent for example resolution test of the 808? I want my next camera to shoot truly 1080p videos as, currently, it's only my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 that are capable of delivering very high-quality 1080p footage (but with mono sound and very narrow FoV, making them almost useless in most situations). Any, say, ISO 12233 Test Chart ( http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html ) shots?

0 upvotes
martin0reg
By martin0reg (Jul 13, 2012)

Sound is the best I ever heard from such a device.
Still image the best I ever seen.
But for video it definiteky needs a better stabilisatioon

4 upvotes
kevin_r
By kevin_r (Jul 13, 2012)

I second GRAFLI:
Why on earth didn't they put Windows 7.8 or even Windows 8 or Android on this phone?
Whatever the stupid reason - probably political infighting in the company - I hope they put the same camera or better into the Lumina 950/1000 with dual core processor and Windows 8.

2 upvotes
urix
By urix (Jul 13, 2012)

PureView has a special purpose chip processing all photo/video from the camera. They have written lots of code on C/C++ to support it. Windows Phone 7 requires applications to be written in C#. Why bother to rewrite this software if Windows Phone 8 supports native applications? I guess they'll port it to WP8 and we will see Lumia PureView before the end of the year (next year?). Just some thoughts :)

4 upvotes
Oelph
By Oelph (Jul 13, 2012)

I think they'll release a Windows Phone 8 with this camera later this year.

0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 13, 2012)

"I think they'll release a Windows Phone 8 with this camera later this year."

Not THIS camera, but a dumbed-down one. Nokia themselves have promised WP8 phones with around 21 Mpixels.

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