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Fujifilm gives more details of X-system lenses and accessories

By dpreview staff on Jul 12, 2012 at 14:48 GMT
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Fujifilm has published a brochure giving more details of the lenses and accessories it has planned for the X-Pro1 and and any future X-system cameras. The brochure gives more details about the forthcoming XF lenses previously included on the company's lens roadmap, including images and specifications for the XF 14mm F2.8 R and XF 18-55mm F2.8-4 OIS. A revised version of the lens roadmap also includes ghosted images of the promised 23mm and 27mm lenses. It also reveals that the XF 14mm will have a focus distance scale - suggesting it may eschew the system's troubled focus-by-wire system.

Also in the brochure are details about the M-mount adapter Fujifilm has created, including a lens compatibility chart. Having just received an M-mount adapter, those restrictions begin to make sense. The Fujifilm adapter has contacts to inform the camera body that it's being used (and change the camera's settings accordingly), and a button that brings up the focal length selection menu. But these contacts also restrict the diameter of the opening at the rear of adapter, meaning that lenses with large rear elements won't physically fit. The adapter includes a dual-function gauge so that you can check that the lens doesn't protrude too far into the body, but also that the diameter of the rear element won't clash with the contacts (something that won't trouble simpler third-party adapters). 

The Fujifilm M-mount adapter and dual-function sizing gauge

Known incompatibilities include certain 21mm ultrawideangles and fast 35mm primes. However, the lens corrections menu (whose behavior is improved with X-Pro1 Firmware v1.11) is only available with the Fujifilm adapter, so it appears to be impossible to set corrections for these lenses, even if you can get them to mount.

Fujifilm's updated, more detailed, lens roadmap.
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Total comments: 39
danstern
By danstern (Jul 15, 2012)

whats your best guesstimate on range of prices?

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atamola
By atamola (Jul 13, 2012)

A question for the Fuji experts: are these lenses compatible with a full-frame camera or are just for cropped sensors? (FX, DX in Nikon terminology)

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Jul 13, 2012)

As far as I know, they are made specifically for the X-PRO1, which has a new lens mount. So they would not be compatible with anything else.

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dengx
By dengx (Jul 14, 2012)

These lenses do not cover the full frame circle.

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atamola
By atamola (Jul 14, 2012)

Thanks for the info.

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fberns
By fberns (Jul 13, 2012)

This camera and lens set is the most promising among all the mirrorless systems to me (besides MFT). It's much more a system for enthusiasts than what Sony, Samsung or Nikon does at the moment. Fujifilm is releasing the right lenses (nearly) right from the start and that'S a big plus.

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nawknai
By nawknai (Jul 15, 2012)

Agreed. I'm glad they're not making a camera system for those who can afford a $2000+ system, and then releasing "kit lens" quality zooms. This indicates that Fuji knew the type of customer who would buy their product last year, and haven't lost that focus.

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (Jul 13, 2012)

It's a good look forward.
I have examined the X-PRO1 already several times and like how it handles, its colour rendition and its approach to photography. AF is quick enough for me.
But, I have been postponing to buy it because my personal ideal walkaround angle of equivalent to 35mm (full frame) wasn't available.
Hence, when the 23mm f1.4 lens comes early next year I will likely take the plunge.
This, with later additions of the 14mm and the 56mm wll cover most anything I tend to photograph. It gives me fond memories of walking around with a Nikon FM with the conceptually similar lens set of 24,35 and 100mm lenses. A nice set for holidays.
If the lenses stay on the price level of the current 3 lenses then the quality/price of the system would in my opinion be quite ok.

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Jul 13, 2012)

Love all the roadmaps and charts that Fuji is putting out in advance hype. If only they used half the energy to get the promised lenses to the market.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Jul 12, 2012)

Personally I would be more happy to see fuji come out with an affordable, full frame, rangefinder. A camera like that would sell like hot cakes and might even force the price of the Leica M series down a bit.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 12, 2012)

There's a reason that SLRs totally dominated over rangefinders, why would a camera with no TTL view sell like hotcakes? Especially a cut price one that would have to have a poor quality, hard to use rangefinder split image.

Or do you mean rangefinder style camera, eg. a full frame version of the XP1?

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shigzeo ?
By shigzeo ? (Jul 13, 2012)

Rangefinders can have TTL metering, just can't look through the lens unless used like mirrorless cameras with live view. In fact, modern rangefinders all have TTL metering.

Today's rangefinders, though, just like today's SLR cameras, are massive in comparison to just 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. Cameras shouldn't be getting bigger.

If only there were simple digital SLR/rangefinder cameras released that really were like Leica M9, basically shutter, speed dial, exposure dial, and sensor. Even a manually cocking shutter like the Espson would be great.

No everyone wants a massive camera that can do everything.

I want a large, bright viewfinder in either SLR or rangefinder, 35mm equivalent sensor, and small as possible size. The rest: I'll take care of.

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love_them_all
By love_them_all (Jul 13, 2012)

It's very hard to go to FF once they started with APS-C. All the XF lenses are APS-C only, so they will need a new system/mount for the FF support.

And on the Leica remark... Leica is Leica, they will not lower their price just because there is another brand doing similar things.

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pdelux
By pdelux (Jul 13, 2012)

They may be forced to....if they want to stay in business. Competition is great isnt it?

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massimogori
By massimogori (Jul 13, 2012)

Have you tried the quality of the output of the camera? You should, because it really leaves little to ask, even when compared to any full frame. Try it!

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jul 13, 2012)

@shigzeo many mirrorless cameras (GX1, NEX-7) are already smaller than the Leica M9, the Fuji XP1 is identically sized, and even the OMD is almost the same size, so there really isn't a problem of all modern cameras being too big.

Also what do you think you'd gain from full frame other than a modest increase in image quality for an even higher price tag?

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FTW
By FTW (Jul 13, 2012)

Leica will not drop their prices, no more than Mercedes Benz the prices for their cars when Toyota will produce a good copy of them. You can put on the market what you want, those who want a Leica and can afford one, despite all the disadvantages against other systems, will buy one. The trick, "we ow a Leica". There are cameras for those who like photography and seek good material at just any price, there are others who do the same but have a lower budget and care about the price. Leica is solid built and far overpriced and does not makes the better picture. So, what do you pay for then, except the red dot and Leica. Leica optics are excellent and most better than other optics, but are they for 3000$ better, that is an other question. Want one, pay one, it's as simple as that.

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FTW
By FTW (Jul 13, 2012)

Just to add, the fact that there are many other cars on the market that are far cheaper than a Bugatti Veyron never made the price drop as much as I know. They produce just a few over a year and they are sold out for the next 5 years.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (Jul 14, 2012)

If Leica had to start competing on price, they’d have to lower quality. That wouldn’t be great.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jul 12, 2012)

Sony...TAKE GOOD NOTES!

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jul 12, 2012)

Really, all of the lenses sound simply amazing! I think a 16mm F1.4/1.8/2/2.4/2.8 would be nice. The 10-24 would make up for no 24mm though. Good line up.

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Imagefoundry
By Imagefoundry (Jul 12, 2012)

I've bought a Pentax-K adapter for my Xpro1 off ebay and spent an afternoon playing with my collection of Pentax glass. I can sum up the experience as follows:

1. manual focusing with X-Pro1, combined with manual aperture control, is plain painful. Until someone comes up with an adapter than can change aperture on Pentax-A lenses (fat chance, as this requires firmware support) I wouldn't touch this again.

2. The whole manual focusing approach needs to be re-thought. One, I would like to see a detail window at all times, not full-frame, and not just when I press a dial (which is awkward in itself); two - the focusing detail window needs to be stabilized.

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Imagefoundry
By Imagefoundry (Jul 12, 2012)

...continued

3. This is a hybrid viewfinder. The distance from a lens center to a viewfinder window is known. Lens' focal distance is known. There's nothing really to prevent Fuji from displaying a traditional rangefinder-like double-image for focusing. That would absolutely rock.

4. I started to appreciate the build/quality of Fuji XF lenses even more after playing with other glass.

5. I never really had any trouble with Xpro1 autofocus. Goofing around for a day with manual lenses made me miss it, a lot.

6. Metering does not really work in manual mode - no histogram, and you can't judge the exposure on EVF/LCD as it keeps changing.

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Imagefoundry
By Imagefoundry (Jul 12, 2012)

Overall, although I ordered Leica M adapter I am not nearly as enthusiastic about trying it as I was before having a go with Pentax glass. I think I will get rid of it in a short order to free up some funds for more XF lenses.
The blame for the painful manual focusing experience can be laid at Fuji's feet, but what I realized alongside this is that existing XF lenses are very good, optically, and there's little reason in my mind now to try to adapt 3rd party glass.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jul 12, 2012)

they just need focus peaking...

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LakeT
By LakeT (Jul 12, 2012)

Pentax is awesome for MF focusing, from the focus peaking on the K-01, to catch in focus on the K5. For the latter, I just hold the shutter down, focus the lens and it snaps off the shot and the sharpness is fantastic, even at wide open on some relatively shallow DOF lenses.

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shigzeo ?
By shigzeo ? (Jul 13, 2012)

Agree here with this OP:

better than peaking is full-time magnification window, not full screen. Peaking doesn't get small details until you are zoomed way in.

100% or 50% focus window that can be moved around would be a godsend. That, or use known focal lengths and imitate rangefinder focusing via digital controls.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Jul 13, 2012)

Focus peaking isn't all that great or accurate. You still need to magnify to get exact focus with fast glass

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (Jul 14, 2012)

I like the looks and idea of this Fuji, but they’ve bundled the manual focusing so badly that it makes me think they really have no idea what makes rangefinders so pleasurable to use. Fly-by-wire manual focusing? Sigh. If only Cosina/Voigtlander would update the Epson R-D1 — that thing got it right. Even Leica goofed when they put a screen on the back of the M8.

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kevinschoenmakers
By kevinschoenmakers (Jul 12, 2012)

To my eyes the 14mm has no focus distance scale, only a hyperfocal distance scale. Not sure if that matters for the conclusion that the lens will have proper manual focus though.

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balios
By balios (Jul 12, 2012)

In another photo/graphic that was tweeted by fuji (it's on some of the rumor sites), you can see both scales on the 14mm.

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (Jul 12, 2012)

Beware of lens "road maps". It's much easier to show something than actually produce it. Things change and products don't always happen. I would not invest in a system based on what a company plans to produce. If it does not exist, there's never a guarantee it is going to exist.

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miniTO
By miniTO (Jul 12, 2012)

really?? Pentax had one for years with their DA lens lineup and guess what the lenses are now here...

Fuji annouced this road map with the camera and they have already brought two of the fabled lenses plus the M adapter to market in less then 6 months!

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Jul 12, 2012)

I would say that it is better to have some roadmap as not to have any - look at Ricoh GXR - the users would LOVE to see whether the line will continue or not ...

So yes - I think it is nice of Fuji to show what they are up to even if there might be changes in the future.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jul 13, 2012)

well, from the looks of it, both 14mm and 18-55 are already done, those are not renders. did you notice on the roadmap that release is in Q3 - I'd say photokina would be good place to make it official ;)

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imbimmer
By imbimmer (Jul 12, 2012)

All looks good except when it comes to AF ... Fuji needs to do some homework there otherwise this is gonna be a major flop.

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miniTO
By miniTO (Jul 12, 2012)

Its a different AF system that is for sure and it could be improved... but its easily comparable to my old 5D with a 50mm 1.4 mounted... people tend to complain before learning this AF system.

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Godzilin
By Godzilin (Jul 16, 2012)

100% agree, it was the same with X100 and now it's the sample with x-pro1, you just need to get used to with these cameras...and be reasonable with your expectation...sure it can be always better

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farrukh
By farrukh (Jul 12, 2012)

Good to see.

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