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Canon announces EOS 650D / Rebel T4i 18MP touch-screen DSLR with Hybrid AF

By dpreview staff on Jun 8, 2012 at 04:00 GMT

Canon has announced the EOS 650D (known as the Rebel T4i in North America), and 18MP touch-screen DSLR with a sensor-based hybrid AF system for improved focus in movie and live view modes. The camera gains the all-cross-type 9-point AF sensor from the EOS 60D and can now shoot at 5fps. It also adds stereo mics for its Full HD video recording, which is available at 30, 25 and 24fps. The camera will be available from the end of June at a price of $849, body only, $949 will the 18-55mm IS lens or $1199 with the co-announced 18-135mm STM IS lens.


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Press Release:

Canon unveils the new EOS 650D – get intouch with your creative side

London, UK, 8 June 2012 – Canon today launches the EOS 650D – a new, easy-to-use Digital SLR (DSLR) that offers high image quality and simple touch-screen operation, allowing anyone to capture beautiful images and Full HD movies. Ideal for photography beginners, the EOS 650D combines intelligent automatic shooting modes with a range of advanced features – making it easy-to-use today, with a full range of manual modes to explore tomorrow.

The EOS 650D is the first-ever EOS to feature a dual AF system, which ensures exceptional detail in stills and continuous autofocus tracking when shooting movies. At the camera's heart is an 18 megapixel (MP) Hybrid CMOS sensor and powerful DIGIC 5 processing, enabling the capture of sharp, full resolution images at up to 5 frames per second (fps). A Vari-angle capacitive touch-screen also makes camera operation quick and easy, providing instant access to an extensive range of settings and scene modes.

Outstanding quality in all conditions

The EOS 650D offers outstanding image quality and performance. Its newly-developed 18MP APS-C Hybrid CMOS sensor provides super-fine resolution, capturing poster-sized images that are rich in colour and detail. Ideal for shooting in low light without flash, the camera features a native 100-12,800 ISO range, allowing the capture of naturallooking shots with minimal noise, while an expanded ISO 25,600 range also offers the ability to shoot in more extreme low-light conditions.

The EOS 650D is the first entry-level EOS to be powered by Canon DIGIC 5 processing, offering greater speed, responsiveness and advanced colour rendition. DIGIC 5's 14-bit image processing provides beautiful and subtle transitions between colour tones, such as those of an evening sky, and its vastly-increased power also makes the camera ideal for capturing fast-moving action such as football or other sports.

The new dual AF system makes it easy to capture sharply-focused shots of all subjects, whether capturing stills or movies. A superior 9-point all cross-type AF system provides exceptional performance during stills shooting, offering precision accuracy when capturing sports, action and wildlife. Additionally, a new Hybrid AF System offers continuous autofocusing during movie recording, and when shooting in Live View1 mode.

Touch control and Vari-angle flexibility

Getting the perfect shot has never been easier thanks to the new 7.7cm (3.0") Vari-angle Clear View LCD II Touch screen. Featuring capacitive technology, the screen is highly responsive and supports a variety of multi-touch gestures, such as pinching and swiping – making it easy to access shooting modes, alter settings and even capture a shot using the screen alone.

Touch control adds a different dimension to Live View shooting. You can select AF points, track faces and objects, and fine-tune image settings via the camera's Quick Control screen. Navigation is instant and intuitive, while pinch-zooming in playback provides a great way to check the finer details of a shot. The Vari-angle hinge allows the screen to be angled and tilted to suit virtually any situation, while a super-sharp 1,040k-dot resolution ensures every detail is clearly displayed.

EOS Movie: Enhanced with Continuous AF

The EOS 650D makes it easy for anyone to shoot Full HD (1920x1080p) videos. Thanks to Hybrid AF, users can focus exclusively on story-telling while the camera continuously tracks the subject. New EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and EF 40mm f/2.8 STM lenses are also ideal for shooting videos, utilising a virtually-silent stepper motor to ensure movies are smoother and clearer than ever.

With Video Snapshot mode, anyone can create fun, fast-paced videos with a professionally-edited feel. Snapshots can be recorded in two, four, or eight second segments, and then combined or reordered in-camera ahead of playback. An integrated mini-HDMI port also makes it easy to share the results on any HDTV.

Explore with EOS

Two brand new shooting modes located on the mode dial help beginners to shoot confidently in difficult lighting conditions. HDR Backlight Control tackles tricky, brightly-backlit scenes by capturing three different exposures – under, correctly, and over-exposed – and combining them into one HDR image displaying both highlight and shadow detail. Handheld Night Scene, meanwhile, makes it easier to capture beautiful low-light evening shots with no tripod, rapidly shooting four different images before combining them into one detailed, blur-free picture.

The camera's range of shooting modes also allows you to explore the boundaries of your creativity. Basic+ allows you to go beyond basic automatic settings, with a range of presets you can use to dramatically and instantly alter the mood of a shot. Canon's fun range of Creative Filters can now be applied to images using the Touch-screen, with new 'Art Bold Effect' and 'Water Painting Effect' offering more ways to apply a creative twist to a shot. If you simply want to point and shoot, Scene Intelligent Auto mode does the work for you – analysing the scene and automatically selecting the best settings, so you can take great shots out of the box.

The EOS system – freedom to explore

As part of Canon's EOS system, the EOS 650D is compatible with the world's most comprehensive selection of lenses and accessories. Over 60 EF lenses cover everything from wide-angle and macro to extreme telephoto, and countless accessories provide the tools to meet virtually any creative challenge.

EOS 650D – key features

  • 18 MP APS-C Hybrid CMOS sensor
  • Full-HD movies with manual controls and continuous AF
  • 5 fps continuous shooting
  • Vari-angle Clear View LCD II Touch screen
  • ISO 100-12,800 sensitivity, extendable to ISO 25,600
  • 9-point wide-area AF
  • Integrated Speedlite Transmitter

1 AF in Live View and Movies subject to use with Canon stepping motor (STM) lenses

Canon Rebel T4i / EOS 650D specifications

Price
MSRP$849.99/€899 body only, $949.99/€999 with 18-55mm IS II, $1199/€1,249 with 18-135mm IS STM
Body type
Body typeCompact SLR
Body materialStainless Steel and polycarbonate resin with glass fibre
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions5184 x 2912, 4608 x 3456,3456 x 3456, 3456 x 2304, 3456 x 1944, 3072 x 2304, 2592 x 1728, 2592 x 1456, 2304 x 1728, 2304 x 2304, 1920 x 1280, 1920 x 1080, 1728 x 1728, 1696 x 1280, 1280 x 1280, 720 x 480, 720 x 400, 640 x 480, 480 x 480
Image ratio w:h1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDigic 5
Color spacesRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter arrayRGB Color Filter Array
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (25600 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG: Fine, Normal (Exif 2.3 compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0),
  • RAW: 14bit RAW
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampby built-in flash
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points9
Lens mountCanon EF/EF-S
Focal length multiplier1.6×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFully articulated
Screen size3
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeOptical (pentamirror)
Viewfinder coverage95%
Viewfinder magnification0.85×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual
  • Scene Intelligent Auto
  • No Flash
  • Creative Auto
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Close-up
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Handheld Night Scene
  • HDR Backlight Control
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range13.00 m
External flashYes (Hot-shoe, Wireless plus Sync connector)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye
Flash X sync speed1/200 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self timer (2s, 10s+remote, 10s + continuous shots 2-10)
Continuous drive5 fps
Self-timerYes (2s, 10s+remote, 10s + continuous shots 2-10))
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatH.264, Motion JPEG
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (HDMI mini)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Remote controlYes (E3 connector, InfraRed)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E8 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)440
Weight (inc. batteries)575 g (1.27 lb / 20.28 oz)
Dimensions133 x 100 x 79 mm (5.24 x 3.94 x 3.11)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes (by USB cable and PC)
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GPE2

Additional images

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Comments

Total comments: 99
Ayaz Khan
By Ayaz Khan (9 months ago)

Good camera

0 upvotes
knepppi
By knepppi (Nov 28, 2012)

Hi I have a Cannon Rebel SLR 2000 35 mm camera I am looking to upgrade to a Canon Rebel T4i 600D digital camera I was wondering if the lenses I have from my film camera will fit on and work with the new digital camera

0 upvotes
Anepo
By Anepo (Jun 18, 2012)

Honestly? After seeing how little Canon changes in each of they're cameras and they're horrible excuse for what happen'd to my fathers Compact camera with no refund... If I go from micro four thirds to a DSLR again I will get a Nikon.
I have had it with Canon.

1 upvote
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 19, 2012)

I hope your happy with Nikon, I here their quiet good.

2 upvotes
BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jun 19, 2012)

THEIR TRYING!

2 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 23, 2012)

@BCMAR15,

Dude, stop ghosting my comments and answer my emails!

P.S. Now that we found each other, change your email. Some Euro-tard thinks we're the same person! Halocastle Acad. rocked!

0 upvotes
BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jun 24, 2012)

Dear Halo,

Just supportin' ya, brother! Glad you got the hint, finally! Seems our trick worked after all. I see the T4i brought you out of the woodwork. You happy about the 18 meg carryover?

P.S. you can't change your email, so I just hid it, not that I care.

Edit: miss the gang there for sure.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (Jun 13, 2012)

i would love to see the new rebel series has shoulder LCD. EOS620/650 both has shoulder LCDs though.

1 upvote
davidthegray
By davidthegray (Jun 12, 2012)

I can't believe it has no built-in gps for geotagging yet!
What are they waiting ofr?

0 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 12, 2012)

About GPS Receiver GP-E2

For simple and accurate recording of time and location information, Canon's compact GPS Receiver GP-E2 is the perfect complem... blah, blah, blah.

The touch screen gets grief and yet THIS "tweaker" of a feature is on somebody's mind.

A guy's looking at an image of the Grand Canyon:
Q: "Where was this taken?"
A: "Uh, duh, I dunno, my, duh, camera ain't got no GPS."

Isn't that what an image is, hmm, a record of time and location?

Edit: the T4i IS GP-E2 compatible for those into geotagging. I know this guy would like it "built-in," but...

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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ScarletVarlet
By ScarletVarlet (Jun 14, 2012)

Probably don't want integrated GPSr for Geotagging as most cameras with this feature have terrible battery life and most often have lacklustre accuracy on the integrated receiver/processor, which can be off by considerable distances, further, do not often update position as quickly as desired. Best to leave it as an add-on and let that unit (GP-E2) do the heavy liftring when you want it.

As for use of these, I do a lot of hiking and am notorious for coming home with hundreds of pictures I just can't recall exactly where were taken, but really, really want to add them to my Everytrail trip.

I've got old and pragmatic, shedding my younger, idealistic days. It's a luxury and usually a fantasy, to march around in the woods with a $3,500 camera, taking perfectly framed pictures with ideal lighting. Now I take a fat memory clip and hundreds of pictures and weed them out when I get back home. Some winners, a lot of losers, but hopefully the memory of the trip is faithfully preserved.

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jun 11, 2012)

Wow, EIGHT HUNDRE FIFTY BUCKS (!!!) for something like THIS? No, Canon..... we really do not think so, Dudes.

0 upvotes
BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jun 11, 2012)

Translation: "My Mommy won't get it for me--whaaaaa!"

Calm down, Francis. The price will come down. Damn.

2 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 12, 2012)

Francis is complaining because he knows it will take forever for him to save up enough of the allowance his parents give him before he can afford one. Waaahhh!

0 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (Jun 13, 2012)

you guys are brutal......but i love it! lol

0 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 14, 2012)

@Francis Carver

It's pud-knockers like "Francis" who bitch that Canon never does anything new, THEN when they do something new, they bitch that it's not FREE. Hello? Tech costs money.

How's Canon going to bring US cutting-edge new stuff if WE'RE not willing to pay for it? If you're a pud-knocker, just buy any camera and SHUT UP. If you're into Canon, then understand the money you spend on Canon equipment is an investment in YOUR photographic future. This is going to be a good year for Canon, so be happy.

2 upvotes
bernynhel
By bernynhel (Jun 11, 2012)

Before hearing about the T4i I was trying to decide between a T1i and T2i plus a Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM lens as 1st and only DSLR. I only want to take great indoor closeups of marbles (little round glass things) and jewelry with a small desktop studio setup, camera firmly mounted on a tripod or rail system. I'm already happy enough with the vid on my SX30is and I hear no calling to run around outdoors trying to make bees around a flower nor hurdlers at a track meet appear to be frozen in flight. Did I let this T4i business mesmerize and cause me to wander into the wrong neighborhood for my needs? To try and find any direction out of all these posts just reminds me of the learning curve I'm trying to avoid so please kick me to the curb but first tell me if I should go with the T1i or T2i or tell me I'd be crazy not to get the t4i. And thank you in advance for what I am sure will be an avalanche of well-informed if diametrically opposed opinions.

0 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (Jun 13, 2012)

get a T3i. the articulated LCD screen could help you lot...

0 upvotes
Benjamin Franzmayr
By Benjamin Franzmayr (Jun 17, 2012)

I had a EOS300D (the original Rebel) and now have a 550D (t2i?) and there's a significant improvement in high ISO noise performance which means much better low light photos and a notable increase in resolution. Plenty of other nice tweaks too but, really, if you are only taking photos of jewelery etc under controlled lighting and with a tripod then you wil get excellent image quality at ISO 100 out of ANY EOS digital camera including the very early ones. Spend your money on a macro lens and get any cheap secondhand body IMHO. Yes, newer rebels have tilt screens and can view a 1:1 pixel crop on liveview for focusing but do you really need that? Probably not.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Jun 10, 2012)

All good and well, but a touch screen - really? - I would hope Canon could find other 'features' to benefit the industry.

The hybrid AF system certainly qualifies as an evolutionary step within the scope of DLSR's that offer video, but feels like a bit of wasted resources given that Canon will never allow the DSLR to directly compete with their video cameras..

I do not see the need for a modern SLR to be 'transition' device from mirrorless point&shoots and camera phones. When it is time to upgrade to an SLR, it is time to upgrade... If Canon really wants to fill that transition niche they need to add cellular capabilities to the camera not the other way around.. ;=)

I would love to see Canon slap the other manufacturers in the face and start putting their APS-H sensors in all the lower bodies now that they are not being used in the 1D anymore.. O.o

1 upvote
T3
By T3 (Jun 11, 2012)

A touchscreen is a no-brainer, and most DSLRs will eventually get them. Practically everyone has a touchscreen smart phone these days. It makes sense to have the option to touch the screen to activate or interact with any particular feature or function on the screen. It's much more direct. It makes sense to now bring this kind of screen interaction to the big rear screens on DSLRs.

As for APS-H, get real. APS-H has been dropped for a reason. It's neither here nor there. It's a format that really has no place in the lower bodies (even less of a place in the lower bodies than it had in the upper bodies that it has been dropped from). For one thing, it won't accept EF-S lenses. It's about time the APS-H tweener format was retired. APS-C and FF is plenty enough for DSLRs.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Jun 15, 2012)

All people do is complain about how hard it is to see the lcd screen in bright light, glare, reflections, etc.. why would you want to then add fingerprints and grime to a display you already have a hard time seeing...? Not to mention the inability to change settings 'while' shooting when you pretty much have to hold the camera with two hands - sorry, a big disagree there.

I am not saying it won't be of interest to consumers who have been led to believe that everything has to be touchscreen just because their cellphones are, but it is very much like touch screen monitors for your computer - they always appeal to people until they actually buy one and start to use it - then they see how often they have to get up and wipe off the screen. It just does not provide any substantial benefits, and not one that out ways the 'maintenance' of having it.

0 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 20, 2012)

@SiliconVoid - the reality is that fingerprints on transmissive screens isn't nearly the issue that people think it is. Fingerprints mainly become visible when the screen is turned *off*. That's why fingerprints haven't hindered the popularity of smart phones and tablets like the iPad: it's because fingerprints aren't really a big deal.

You apparently also don't realize that changing settings can also be done in the "normal" way without the use of the touchscreen, just like on the previous Rebel bodies. So, no, there is NOT an "inability to change settings 'while' shooting when you pretty much have to hold the camera with two hands."

0 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jun 8, 2012)

Again, Canon keep the Rebel as a viable segment leading camera- the brillance of keeping this model viable for so long now should not be understated. It's a key camera for Canon, and specs wise it doesn't disappoint. See how the sensor performs as well as the camera as a whole, but it's pretty safe to assume its a shoe in for a gold award at this point especially when compared to the competition.

The 40mm pancake announcement, totally brilliant.

2 upvotes
Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jun 8, 2012)

The KEY factor here is the Hybrid AF, which seems the state of the art, combining phase and contrast AF.
Another thing is the lens: 18-135 (equivalent to 28-200)/3.5-5.6. it makes you wander why the hell Olympus made that 12-50 (equivalent to 24-100)/3.5-6.3 ????
Sensor and lens are great. Apart from that, mirrorless is still better.

1 upvote
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jun 8, 2012)

"... mirrorless is still better"

For what application? Best to be specific, certainly not all applications.

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jun 9, 2012)

meant to say that in my opinion, with sensors capable of both phase and contrast detection AF, and continuously improving EVF, the mirrorless system is the future of digital photography.

1 upvote
SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Jun 10, 2012)

I will have to disagree with you there..
Composition and tracking on a 3" screen held at arms length, and/or peering into a tiny glowing peephole is not the future of photography. (Modern photography - is digital - there is no need to even use the tag anymore)

I do not mean to offend users on either side but there is no single tool to meet every photographic need.
There are people who simply want to document their daily lives, family, pets, where they have been, etc and those people are served well by mirrorless p&s and camera phones.
There are people interested in the art of photography as a graphic expression of their mind, eye, creativity and those people often find their needs met by a great many devices.
Then there are people who make their living through photography and cannot be hindered by things like EVF lag, LCD glare, miniature camera bodies etc.
There will always be a need for a traditional SLR - even if just to see an instantaneous image through an optical viewfinder.

2 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jun 11, 2012)

Clap clap clap clap!

-C

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iae aa eia
By iae aa eia (Jun 8, 2012)

I didn't get very well what Canon is preparing. OK, mirroless seems to be inevitable, but that G1 X with a sensor not much different compared to APS-C sounds confusing, because I guess it's gonna be a size to be part of a long road, and probably the mirroless system will adopt it. But if so, what's for the APS-C? Two closely sized sensors?! One for the built-in and mirroless, and the other for the SLRs?!

In my opinion, they should kill the APS-C and focus on the G1 X sensor size instead, whether for SLRs, mirroless, built-in, etc. That would be a great move to me. This way you would have a better separation of categories, of it from FF, for instance.

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123Mike
By 123Mike (Jun 8, 2012)

+ Canon lovers finally get to enjoy AF during video, which was a complete deal breaker for any family video needs.
+ People invested in Canon accessories do not have to look at jumping ship to Sony anymore, which was up to now the only brand that offered decent AF during video
+ Continued access to Canon's most excellent lenses.
+ choose between contrast and phaseshift detect focusing for photos.

- Only 30 fps video
- Only 5 fps photos
- Still side ways flip out screen.
- No in body stabilization, need expensive lenses.
? however - video uses digital stabilization ?

Sony offers:

+ 60 fps video
+ 10, some 12 fps photos
+ Better flip out screen.
+ In camera stabilization (video does a very effective digital stabilization).
+ In camera high quality panorama.
+ Hand hand high quality twilight/night multi photo combining.
+ ISO boost by combining multiple shots taken at 10 fps.
- slight light loss due to pentamirror mechanism.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Jun 8, 2012)

Yeah I got to agree. I think Canon rather abuses it's market position. They have a great brand awareness and they are always a safe buy. People trust the brand. But it does not take much to compare specs and realise others offer more.

The Sony A57 seems cheaper and better for many people.

But I'm sure the Canon is great and will sell very well,

The Pentax K30 is also looking a better bet. The Pentax is fully weather sealed making it the perfect holiday camera .

Pentax have the chance to really rule this sector.

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GarageBoy
By GarageBoy (Jun 8, 2012)

It's a moving mirror, 5FPS is fine, this IS a Rebel...
I LIKE the side flip out screen. Right hand on the grip, left hand to rotate screen as I raise the camera, easier to use on a tripod.

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 10, 2012)

Need expensive lenses for IS, since when? Have you looked at Canon EF-S IS lens prices compared to Sony lens prices? What, in camera IS doesn't require a lens? And since when did a Canon product announcement become a place for Sony fanboys?

When Sony can get out of their sensors what Nikon can, they can talk some trash. Until then, shhh.

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sween sunny
By sween sunny (Jun 10, 2012)

Yeah, But this is a CANON ! Sony is just a Sony.

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BCMAR15
By BCMAR15 (Jun 11, 2012)

Huh?

If Sony has the features you want,THEN BUY SONY! There's NO reason to unzip Sony's fly HERE.

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Userage
By Userage (Jun 8, 2012)

Clearly the Pentax K30 is much better value, I think they should have done a bit more. The line of camera (500,550,600;d) is used for videography a lot I doubt they will use its AF, since magic lantern makes manual focus much easier. :S

Is there anything I've missed out from reading this?

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (Jun 9, 2012)

The K30 isn't better value to anyone who needs an articulated screen, and/or is looking for a good selection of lenses that offer good value of money. The prices of Pentax lenses have skyrocketed recently, and to me this alone is a deal breaker. Their prices already went through a price hike when Hoya was in control, but now it's even worse.

1 upvote
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 10, 2012)

The K30 has no ext. mic jack, really? Doh!

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jun 8, 2012)

So, this thing can do everything 60D can minus weather resistance and battery life, plus a few extra tricks. They should update 60D soon or risk cannibalization.

1 upvote
Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Jun 8, 2012)

It feels like Canon is ridding it's line of the xxD and making it a "Rebel or 7D" only road, since they dumbed down some things with the 60D (like no more micro focus adjust??) and making the rebels a bit more beefy and expensive I don't see a 70D...

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Jun 10, 2012)

As a 20d & 40D owner I have to agree - perhaps having 3 lines of DLRS plus the FF & pro model(s) is proving too much. I never fancied the 50D and the 7D whilst excellent has had problems with its AF and some dislike the 18MP sensor contained within most Canon 'family' DLRS. I want my next camera is cutting edge or at least as close as possible, not missing useful features but including a touch screen!

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Gesture
By Gesture (Jun 8, 2012)

Yes, $1,000 for a "beginner's" camera. But when I see how little $250-$350 buys for a compact camera at a store like Target these days, I understand.

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pcake
By pcake (Jun 8, 2012)

You can buy an entry level Canon DSLR (the T3) for $499, a Nikon D3100 for a few bucks more, and an entry level Sony DSLR for less.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Jun 8, 2012)

Rather than as the newest rebel to replace the rest it's like "a better rebel", if you want to go cheaper then there's the T2i. Same sensor and really, not that different at all.

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Poxywallow
By Poxywallow (Jun 8, 2012)

Didn't they discontinue the T2i? They're at a risk, in my opinion, of losing the appeal to consumers as opposed to pros. $1000 for the kit is inching the way up higher than the average lay person can afford, in my opinion. But one pays for quality?

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techmine
By techmine (Jun 8, 2012)

Touch screen, hybrid focus, pancake lenses - all indicate mirrorless camera is coming?? :-)

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SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 8, 2012)

That's exactly what the conclusion mentions. But guess what - it would still be a major decision for Canon as it has to now introduce a whole new series and range of lenses unless they are stupid like Pentax to keep the same flange back distance. This actually is an interesting situation (read difficult) for Canon! Entry level DSLR users have to then abandon thier current Rebels, XXD models and move to the mirrorless format. More expensive proposition as millions need to abandon their lenses or use manual focusing (not something an entry level looks doing). Then only users of Canon's traditional lenses will be advance amateurs and pros. Tough ground for Canon to be in....any thoughts folks? DPR?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jun 8, 2012)

They made the STM lenses to be usable on a mirrorless, directly or through an adapter.

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plasnu
By plasnu (Jun 8, 2012)

Yep, This camera looks dated even before release.

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Eleson
By Eleson (Jun 8, 2012)

Maybe as technology teasers, but the pancake will not be usable on a mirrorless, as that will surely have a shorter flange distance.
It is almost hard to understand why they release a pancake at this point. Almost looks like there is no mirrorless in the near future.

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Rocker44
By Rocker44 (Jun 8, 2012)

With that pancake lens it almost starts to resemble a mirrorless ILC camera, which is an interesting direction for Canon. Perhaps instead of throwing their hat in that ring, they will adapt they consumer range to eat into that market.

Anyone know the benefits of the 40mm f2.8 pancake apart from size? I always thought it seemed like an unusual length on a crop sensor with a relatively slow aperture for a modern prime.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jun 8, 2012)

From the front yes, but as a DSLR the body is still considerably thicker and heavier than mirrorless bodies (other than the K-01)

http://camerasize.com/compare/#33,333

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Thoughts
By Thoughts (Jun 8, 2012)

40mm is also a bit long for a APS-C sensor camera. It is perfect on a fullframe camera on the other hand, which is again bulkier in size...

1 upvote
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Jun 8, 2012)

I left Canon for Nikon 4 years ago,and then moved to m4/3, but this is the first time when I am finding Canon attractive.

Well done Canon!

2 upvotes
123Mike
By 123Mike (Jun 8, 2012)

They're way behind, and they're still behind. Compare to the A57. Better deal, more features, better video still.

4 upvotes
Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 10, 2012)

@123Mike

Way behind who...Sony? ePhotozine gave the A57 high marks only to conclude, "...it just seems the camera it replaces (the A55) was just as good if not better."

Ouch!

Tell your Mom to buy you the Sony and go away!

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audijam
By audijam (Jun 13, 2012)

oh this 123Mike certainly is a newb...
1965, Canon launched Canon Pellix with semitransparent fixed mirror..
2010, Sony launched A33/A55 with translucent mirrors..

that's all i wanna say for now...

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marbo uk
By marbo uk (Jun 8, 2012)

Expensive for entry level. £699 in th UK.
There`s better available already for much less ££££

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adobespain
By adobespain (Jun 8, 2012)

Does anyone know if the HD 1920x1080p is real this time?
I want crisp and clear video image.

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rosswell
By rosswell (Jun 8, 2012)

the LCD not only as image preview , but you can also play Angry Bird space on the LCD screen. it Amazing......Canon u DOne a Joke DSLR .LOL!

4 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jun 8, 2012)

Ever used a camera with a touch screen? Don't knock it until you've tried it.

1 upvote
zzzxtreme
By zzzxtreme (Jun 8, 2012)

D3200 seems much more attractive. I'm speaking as a noob

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Kf1902
By Kf1902 (Jun 8, 2012)

Can anyone confirm this has the same 6 frame RAW buffer as the 550D?

From what I'm reading elsewhere its:

22 Large/Fine JPEG and 6 CR2.RAW (550D has 34 Large/Fine JPEG and 6 CR2.RAW).

In the words of Theo Paphitis, I'm out....

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T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

The RAW buffering limitation is there to get you to buy a 60D (or some other XXD body) instead. It's just business.

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Kf1902
By Kf1902 (Jun 8, 2012)

That's why I'll probably spend £200 less and get a Nikon D5100 body instead (only 4fps but a 16 RAW frame buffer capacity).

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Jun 8, 2012)

Canon seems to be loosing their way... take a look at the A57 from Sony: higher tech, better featured, faster and at a much lower cost. Thei "SLT" design is proving to be the real way for the future with a simpler more reliable camera.

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Halocastle
By Halocastle (Jun 10, 2012)

@Lucas

Sony makes cameras? Wow, thanks for pointing that out on a Canon product release.

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sween sunny
By sween sunny (Jun 11, 2012)

Sony? Really.... ha ha...

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Jun 8, 2012)

It seems canon rest on 18MP aps and 22MP FF for quite a while.

Is it because

1) Priority is set to develop sensors suitable for both still&motion picture;
or
2) Canon's FAB cannot keep up with the latest technology.

?

4 upvotes
LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (Jun 8, 2012)

Finally, someone implemented the real touch screen. Bravo Canon!

And, now shove the mirror box and give me a real travel camera!

4 upvotes
DeonK
By DeonK (Jun 8, 2012)

My goodness!...things have changed since I bought my first Praktica in 1966!! ;-)

4 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (Jun 8, 2012)

You can always expect evolution rather than revolution with Canon.

Conservative and lazy?

Or cautious and clever?

They will sell loads of them. But with their competitors innovating and pushing hard, is Canon doing enough?

4 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (Jun 8, 2012)

...find out in 18months time with the new Canon 700D....

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T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

The same comments have been said of Canon even going back to the days of film SLRs. For example, I remember people touting how innovative Minolta was back in the days of film SLRs, with things like dot matrix rear LCDs (yes, they had a film SLR with a large rear LCD!), shot data memory, little cards you could insert to tell the camera what kind of a picture you wanted, etc. Gee, I wonder what ever happened to Minolta? Hmmm. Meanwhile, Canon just continued with their tried and true pace of evolution, year after year after year.

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Gary Dean Mercer Clark
By Gary Dean Mercer Clark (Jun 9, 2012)

Hmmn. What happened to Minolta? Sony bought Minolta and all their lens manufacturing facilities and patents. Minolta world class innovation is still happening under the guise of Sony. Sony is the innovator here---but Minolta technology and expertise and patents are its foundation. Sony Alpha SLT and EvF is the future.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (Jun 10, 2012)

Canon are very clever - they have made DSLR video their own - Nikon are only now trying to get back into the game. Canon will continue to sell cameras by the truck load. However as BOTH a Canon & Nikon user I feel that Canon have been very lazy and have seen lots of folks walk away to brands like Panasonic etc, with Sony providing excellent tech support to Nikon, Canon cannot afford to simply sit back - the 650D is a good move - but would I buy one? Not sure. Canon are very much like VW - everybody knows them , everybody knows someone who has one - the Golf is and has been the best selling car in Europe for a generation, I have owned 3 - but would I buy the current model - no - their dealers are rubbish (compared to BMW) and my Mini Cooper is so much FUN I'll never return to a Golf.

Canon need to be mindful of new tech that provides this excitement factor - right now the Sony NEX and the Panasonic are were the fun is at......

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utpalsaha
By utpalsaha (Jun 8, 2012)

Received message from Canon tweets yesterday ! Waiting for Dpreview to view the detailed specification.Thanks.

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Nate21
By Nate21 (Jun 8, 2012)

Seems like what the 60d should have been canon has always had a tradition of offering 3 groups of cameras entry level,mid-level (semi-professional), and of courses professional. Seems worth wild

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 8, 2012)

It's a mini 60D!!

Either the 60D line is being killed, or the 70D is going to be awesome to be a step up from this.

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T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

There are still plenty of people who want something between a Rebel and a 7D, not only in price, but also in size and spec. For example, Rebels all have a 6 frame RAW buffer, which is very limiting even if you just shoot at a somewhat brisk pace. The same remains true of this new Rebel. The 60D has a 16 frame RAW buffer. That difference alone gets many people to buy a 60D over a Rebel. So there's no way a Rebel/7D tweener body (ie, the XXD bodies) is going to be killed.

You can bet that the 70D will get a touchscreen. That's a given. I think all of Canon's DSLRs will eventually get touchscreens. We live in a touchscreen world now. Would you buy a smart phone without a touchscreen?

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TangoMan
By TangoMan (Jun 10, 2012)

"You can bet that the 70D will get a touchscreen. That's a given. I think all of Canon's DSLRs will eventually get"

In cold temperatures, touchscreen + gloves = useless screen.

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DanCee
By DanCee (Jun 10, 2012)

Touchscreen is an option, they still have a complete set of buttons

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AlephNull
By AlephNull (Jun 8, 2012)

Still 18Mpixel - Canon does seem obsessed with that resolution (kinda like Nikon's obsession with 12 Mpixel a while back).

Disappointed they are still using USB2 - USB3 is not an expensive upgrade, and it's much much faster.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Jun 8, 2012)

I don't think there is much or any advantage of USB 3 on a camera like this, with SD cards being the bottle neck, not the connecting interface - I could be wrong though?

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CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (Jun 8, 2012)

Agreed . The card's limit the speed. USB 3 also sucks a lot of power. I never use the usb in any case , I put the card in a card reader.

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nofumble
By nofumble (Jun 8, 2012)

Why bother? I have not used the camera USB connection with my T2i for download picture even one time. I read data directly from the card.

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007peter
By 007peter (Jun 8, 2012)

not bad...but also boring. I don't enthralled by the spec as I am with Olympus EM-5 or Pentax K30d. Its a nice camera, but as an existing T1i (500d) owner, it lack the compelling killer-feature to justify the upgrade.

I wonder who many existing Rebel user like me is now considering a used 60d over a new T4i. I can find a barely used 60d around $750-$800.

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EbrahimSaadawi
By EbrahimSaadawi (Jun 8, 2012)

I am sorry but, what's exactly a compelling killer-feature for you ?
A full frame sensor ? A magnesium alloy body ?
Having tried the t1i and the t3i, I would say the difference is quite significant.

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Jun 8, 2012)

evolution of rebel/xxxd/kiss line of cameras. Atleast Canon is improving when it comes to camera line-up by listening to customers.

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SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 8, 2012)

I was about to buy an ILC as secondary camera, but this release has had me thinking...atlast really meaningful updates to the rebel - 9 Cross Type Focus points, Touch Screen, 5 FPS, Stereo Mic, Continous AF in Video - Nice job Canon. Will wait till the holiday season though.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Jun 8, 2012)

AF in live view / video is only available with the 2 new STM lenses announced, which seems along the same lines as with all things Canon do.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Jun 8, 2012)

Actually scrap that, the preview says that AF in LV and video will work with all lenses. Here it seems to imply that it is only on the new STM lenses, so I'm not sure which it is:

"1 AF in Live View and Movies subject to use with Canon stepping motor (STM) lenses"

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Jun 8, 2012)

AF in live view with normal lenses works but its VERY slow and practically unusable. With the new STM lenses I believe it works very fast.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Jun 8, 2012)

The speed of AF non optimised lenses should be atleast as fast as in previous generation Rebel. It should improve dramtically with the new lenses. I don't see an issue here!!

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Jun 8, 2012)

Well if you are with Canon lens system, atleast after this release, I would only suggest to hold on and wait for the test results.
Resolution is good enough, feature set are awesome, IQ is the only thing you would like to see! I am suggesting you, even though all three cameras I got are m43 ILCs.

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Jay Martin
By Jay Martin (Jun 8, 2012)

I think Canon has learned a lot from Apple. This is how to make money, keep coming out with minor updates, very smart.

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mbot
By mbot (Jun 8, 2012)

I can hear huge thunderous bangs in the distance, Oh look! It's a transformer! No! It's superman, No! It's big-bird from sesame street, No! It's a train, No! It's a nuclear-shower coming our way! No! It's a formula one car, No! It's ulley barber and the 40 theives, No! It's the Nikon d5200 special-forces with nitro, coming to settle scores, WHOA! LOOK OUT!
Hang on! I hear more thuds! It's a ghost, No! It's a lawnmower, No! It's a sniper with a shotgun in the 40 watt range, No! It's a New Zealand rugby team, No! it's a Boeing dreamliner, No! It's a team of bank-robbers, No! It's a truck, Damn, get a load of that, It's the Pentax K5 replacement, and it's drunk and angry that someone would try to steal it's thunder, what? Full weather-sealing you say, plus the kitchen sink, and icing to boot; well raise my rent and i'll be a monkeys uncle, gimmie dat! They breed them tough at Pentax, especially their heavyweights which always go down swinging...In thurrr bluuue cooornerrr!

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Hart932
By Hart932 (Aug 10, 2012)

How to I set the camera to record in motion jpeg? In the menu, it only shows the resolution size setting. Nothing on avchd or mjpeg. Am I missing something here?

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