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Just Posted: Canon Rebel T4i / EOS 650D preview with real-world samples

By dpreview staff on Jun 8, 2012 at 04:00 GMT

Just Posted: We've been shooting with Canon's latest entry-level DSLR - the Rebel T4i (EOS 650D), and have prepared an hands-on preview. The T4i shares many of the headline specs (18MP CMOS sensor, 9-point AF system, 1.0M dot flip-out LCD) with its predecessor, the EOS 600D / Rebel T3i, but significant changes have been made to every one of those features. The result is the first touch-screen DSLR and the first EOS to offer continuous AF in movie shooting mode. Read our preview to find out more about the 650D's features and what its 'Hybrid AF' really offers. The preview includes real-world samples and low-light studio shots.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Jun 9, 2012)

Still using pentamirror, too bad!

Comment edited 26 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 9, 2012)

But it's one of the better pentamirror viewfinders out there. It is certainly good enough for composition and picture taking. Sure, it might not be big and bright enough for easy manual focusing, but very very very few people are going to be doing any manual focusing through the viewfinder with this camera anyway.

1 upvote
FYLin
By FYLin (Jun 10, 2012)

still larger than the viewfinder magnification of the Nikons.

However, it is disappointing it's actually smaller than the viewfinder of some previous Rebels. I still have my EOS 450D which has a larger viewfinder than the 650D, 0.87x magnification. Some tests claim even higher like 0.95, I doubt it but still the viewfinder on that camera is pretty good for a pentamirror.

0 upvotes
Azfar
By Azfar (Jun 9, 2012)

Wow. People dont seem to like that Rebel logo. I love it. Bought my T3i from states just because i wanted that logo. I love black, but a little splash of colour makes it better.

0 upvotes
Pritzl
By Pritzl (Jun 9, 2012)

So when will the IQ results be in? I hope that hybrid AF isn't the only thing new on that sensor. That would make this a very compelling camera, esp. if it's launched at a Rebel price point.

0 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jun 9, 2012)

When will the IQ results be in ? They are in, they are called samples. Or are you waiting for a subjective and meaningless "rating" and "Pros/Cons" section ?

1 upvote
Pritzl
By Pritzl (Jun 9, 2012)

@nicolaiecostel

I'm afraid that yes, I am a blind bat who has to wait for someone else to tell him how good or bad a camera really is. Sad, no?

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
Pritzl
By Pritzl (Jun 9, 2012)

Why in the world would a touch-screen be so polarizing?

a) It can be disabled.
b) It does not seem to have come at the expense of any manual controls.
c) It appears to be well implemented.

It's exactly like the icing on the cake; if you don't like it, scrape it off. :)

17 upvotes
stelioskritikakis
By stelioskritikakis (Jun 9, 2012)

Canon lost the sensor round completely.

some super-filtered jpegs can't stand a chance in RAW samples..
Assuming that 650D will offer nothing more than the 600D in RAW
Same thing as 5D mark3 offered nothing better than 5D mark2 in RAW.
Very similar IQ.. i'd say identical.

Its impossible to catch up with the new nikons d800 and d3200 that play in a different league. Plus the stupid delays in stock...

i'm one step in changing equipment.. only problem? i love my L glass :(

4 upvotes
MFried
By MFried (Jun 9, 2012)

what do you mean with "super-filtered JPEG" and on what info is your comment about the d3200 based? All the D3200 samples I found are softer than those dpreview (independent reviewer!) made with the 650d - so I'm looking forward to the full review with comprehensive high ISO testing...

... and I'm loving my L-glass, too - if there was anything comparable from Nikon I'd have switched two years ago ;-)

2 upvotes
sotirius
By sotirius (Jun 9, 2012)

i'm selling all my canon gear lenses + 5dm2 and will go with the d600 or d800. Maybe even pentax if they release a FF.

0 upvotes
Robert Hoffman
By Robert Hoffman (Jun 9, 2012)

You should be able to pick up any current DSLR, at any price point, and get excellent results. If not, you need to find a new hobby, like knitting or stamp collecting.

10 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

I think the way to go is to keep your current Canon body and L glass, but buy a 4/3rds or NEX for the newer features such as video and portability.

1 upvote
G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jun 9, 2012)

All these improvements say to me that all is not over in the land of DSLRs, or whatever mirrorless, lens-compatible equivalent they may morph into. A responsive and usable touch-screen would be a huge boon for many features, as would on-sensor AF for live-view use. Not only filming, but also manual focus-tuning makes live-view indispensable for the way I shoot now, so to improve the AF there without losing an OVF (as Sony does) would be very nice. I'm a Nikon user and hope these advances make their way to me soon.

The DSLR may be big, but it's a great form factor for flexibility and is clearly far from dead.

0 upvotes
fuxicek
By fuxicek (Jun 9, 2012)

to perfection I miss couple things... time-lapse shooting, some kind of panorama, longer battery life (by Canon 1100D is it 800 shots) and multiple exposure (my old film camera Canon 3000v has it)...but still is this one great camera indeed

0 upvotes
Superka
By Superka (Jun 8, 2012)

Hey, Sony sensors lovers! Sony sensors are little better in terms of noise, but much worse in terms of colors. So stop please! Canon is the best!

4 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jun 8, 2012)

Nah ! Check out the nikon D800 official samples from nikon, the pentax K-5 samples, the nikon D3200 samples. Check put the DPR challenges, this shot is from a nex5 and was second, how are the colors and DR ?

http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=626250&View=Results&Rows=4

Canon just keeps laging and lagging, refreshing the count on the camera logo and adding neat video features.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (Jun 8, 2012)

Depends on the toppings. Sony cameras usually have the best color separation. Canon struggles the most with reds, a sacrifice made to improve their low light performance. To get an idea, go to the full sensor reviews (not comparison pages) at DXOmark and look at the "colour response" tab.

5 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

I agree - Canon is terrible at reds - that red cloth used in the comparison shots is always aweful.

3 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Jun 11, 2012)

Superka - hahahaha! ROTFL.
Sony sensors sux in colors only when they are overtuned towards noise performance - like Nikon does it. Try shooting with proper Sony camera using Sony's own sensor - it rules the colors of both Nikon (which is quite easy) and Canon easily. Sony is the only corporation out there that has a team of color engineers working for giving the proper colors separation with digital sensors that was inherited back from Minolta days.

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Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Jun 8, 2012)

I think many others improvements should be made:

1. Dual (optical and electronic) switchable viewfinder.
2. Built in protection to LDC screen so as to permit image view under direct sun light
3. A mixed switchable LED and Flash dual purpose light.
4. A single dedicated exposure wheeled button with real electronic exposure preview.
5. Why not a bluetooth?

0 upvotes
Superka
By Superka (Jun 8, 2012)

Neither in your list is an improvement, personally I need nothing of this.
Eleminating moire and increasing sharpness in video would be a real improvement. To this demand a sensor from digital cinema camera.

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Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Jun 8, 2012)

If you want to do cinema like film sharpness is not an imperious need, in fact, most of the cinema films lack purposely sharpness. Documentary and scientific films need a good sharpness. Regards moire I thinks it is accpetable currently. Any of NL editing sofware corrects several of these parameters (including sharpness) but to my knowledge no one corrects moire effect.

0 upvotes
EOSHD
By EOSHD (Jun 10, 2012)

Ruy - there's a big difference between sharpness and detail.

The problem with the 650D and ALL OTHER Canon DSLRs is they lack detail in video mode. You can sharpen it in your NLE, it won't look nice believe me.

When people say they want a sharper image, they are talking about wanting a more detailed image like a still, not the mushy standard definition video Canon incorrectly labels as 1080p.

0 upvotes
Lawrey
By Lawrey (Jun 8, 2012)

More of the same, but very nice all the same!

0 upvotes
Amentet
By Amentet (Jun 8, 2012)

Easy, just check http://www.dxomark.com/ for formal comparison of camera sensors. It is not the same to compare the camera as a whole though.
The kit lens of the canon, for example, is better that the one that comes with the nikon D3200 I think..

0 upvotes
Peter Bendheim
By Peter Bendheim (Jun 8, 2012)

I think it's really impressive (and I'm a die hard Nikon user) apart from the logo. I would happily own one. Just a few short years ago high end pro cameras didn't have this sort of spec and you couldn't have dreamed of this sort of camera at an affordable price. Trouble is cameras have improved dramatically, as have the usual loud unsatisfied voices, but the level of image making has not improved in equal measure.

18 upvotes
NovemberSun
By NovemberSun (Jun 8, 2012)

like the last sentence the most. well put.

0 upvotes
MFried
By MFried (Jun 9, 2012)

to the last sentence: here the 80:20 rule hits again - 80 percent of good image making is done behind the cam (not in the cam) ;-)

0 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jun 8, 2012)

The image quality is still not up to 16 MP sony sesors, and sony allready passed to the 24 MP ASPC sensors.

12 upvotes
Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (Jun 8, 2012)

how do you know that?? did you try the camera...

its not about MP's count its much more than that...oh sony..well sorry if you are serious about photography you just dont buy a sony...

5 upvotes
Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jun 8, 2012)

Sony sensors are much better than Canon's. Check out the D800.. sony sensor, Pentax K-5 Sony sensor, D7000 Sony sensor.. A77 Sony sensor etc..

24 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Jun 8, 2012)

@Stollen: I know that because I took a look at them samples here, and lately I've beem checking out the D3200, K-5 samples. Canon shots look like too much noise reduction has been done on them, the colors and detail are ok but the sony shots are in a different league. Great DR, colors, noise performance, the lot.

6 upvotes
schorscho
By schorscho (Jun 8, 2012)

wow that Rebel-logo is ugly! I'm sure it's a great camera so don't be offended.

1 upvote
Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Jun 8, 2012)

It's brutal. Just like my XT is/was. I feel like dremeling it off when I get it.

3 upvotes
Hinder
By Hinder (Jun 10, 2012)

That's why they invented the Sharpie. :-)

0 upvotes
Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jun 8, 2012)

This is high-level compromise: on one hand Canon must keep all the existing lenses from becoming obsolete; on the other hand it is already known that mirorless is better than mirror reflex. Canon solution is much better than Pentax. The "hybrid" solution, combining Phase and Contrast AF is the future.
However, when the Hybrid AF will be implemented also in the mirrorless cameras this "compromise" solution will have a though competion

1 upvote
photofan1986
By photofan1986 (Jun 8, 2012)

"on the other hand it is already known that mirorless is better than mirror reflex."
Wow, at least I would lived long enough to read some crap like this :D

22 upvotes
BJN
By BJN (Jun 8, 2012)

"...it is already known..."

I'd change that to "...it is an article of faith to some fanatics..."

EVFs aren't good enough yet to be better across the board than optical viewfinders. Each has it's strengths and I won't go into a recitation.

8 upvotes
Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jun 8, 2012)

ok- it is my opinion, but it is based on the fact that: EVF is improving continuously; mirrorless allows smaller, less expensive lenses... and the mirror is just an inheritance from the film era, guys.

2 upvotes
iBuzz
By iBuzz (Jun 9, 2012)

Where are the small lens for the NEX system?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 9, 2012)

Less expensive lenses like the Sony 24mm f1.8, Olympus 75mm f1.8 and 12mm f2? :)

2 upvotes
tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Jun 9, 2012)

60mm f2.8, 85mm f1.4 from samsung
fuji 35 1.4.... list goes on.

0 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

Mirrorless bodies and lenses are a lot smaller, that's a clear positive. And contrast detection is more accurate - no more manual focus adjustments (which the T4i does not even have to begin with).

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Jun 10, 2012)

"Mirrorless bodies and lenses are a lot smaller, that's a clear positive."

Why, have your hands shrunk?

"And contrast detection is more accurate - no more manual focus adjustments (which the T4i does not even have to begin with)."

Then why do contrast-detect cameras miss so often? Oh, right - it's because they require high contrast subjects to work at all, which phase-detection doesn't.

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Superka
By Superka (Jun 8, 2012)

Will ever Canon remove those stupid "night shot", "portrait","Makro", "Flash off"????? Hey, Canon, people are experienced enough already, not to use them!

2 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jun 8, 2012)

I know that this will break your heart (grin), but snapshooters buy DSLRs too.

11 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 8, 2012)

It may also be shocking that new people enter the hobby of photography every week. T4i will probably be a lot of young people's first real camera.

2 upvotes
marcone72
By marcone72 (Jun 8, 2012)

In fact you can see many hangin' 7d with the built in flash always up all over the world..

0 upvotes
sadwitch
By sadwitch (Jun 9, 2012)

If you're such a 'purist' you should go back to film.

0 upvotes
photofan1986
By photofan1986 (Jun 8, 2012)

Just compared the studio samples with those from the G1X, and while I can only compare Jpegs at the moment, it's really disappointing to notice that the G1X, while boasting a smaller sensor, has much cleaner high ISO.
Seems like Canon really used just updated (for focusing) old tech (almost 4 years old) in their SLR lineup.
Maybe they don't want to kill the next 70D or 8D, which will probably benefit from new technology. Ah, marketing!

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AkinaC
By AkinaC (Jun 8, 2012)

And that's becoz the smaller pixel and stronger NR, I rather have a bit more detail than mushy...

0 upvotes
peacefrog33756
By peacefrog33756 (Jun 11, 2012)

I'd consider it, but I am kind of holding out for a possible 70D.

0 upvotes
attomole
By attomole (Jun 8, 2012)

Is't it about time Canon consolidated there DSLR camera name conventions word wide, why do they cary on with the rebel brand in the USA and Eos XXX branding in the ROW? we are all pretty much reading the same stuff these days, its just confusing.

21 upvotes
Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Jun 8, 2012)

Totally agree. I HATE the Rebel X branding, even though I bought the XT and will almost certainly upgrade to this. I suppose one could always order from the UK but there are additional expenses, possible hassles with this. Plus I have a large Best Buy GC waiting to be used up on this.

3 upvotes
645D
By 645D (Jun 8, 2012)

Yes, I totally HATE the rebel naming. It's confusing and degrading. I have bought two rebels before and just can not stand the naming, so gave it away.

2 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jun 8, 2012)

Perhaps it has something to do with the grey market. If Canon USA sees a 650D, they immediately know that it wasn't intended for sale in the USA.

0 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Jun 8, 2012)

It's still not as bad as "Kiss".

10 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (Jun 8, 2012)

Fine if they want different names to police the grey market they can just add a letter or number code the the end of the name. It is not necessary to call the camera something stupid and frankly embarrassing to be seen with like Rebel or Kiss.

2 upvotes
Peter Bendheim
By Peter Bendheim (Jun 8, 2012)

Agreed. The European branding looks much more dignified..Hey, time Canon woke up to the fact that not everyone wants that garish ghetto-style James Dean in your face red goo on an otherwise nice design.

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 8, 2012)

I don't think we need multiple model names, either, but to call it embarrassing is a bit of a stretch.

2 upvotes
OneGuy
By OneGuy (Jun 9, 2012)

My guess is that "The Americans" are not technically oriented and need helpful category guiding. The "650 D" just does not tell you it is in the intro category unless you call it "101."

For example, a car show in Europe has the cars raised for the viewer to inspect and admire the undercarriage, while I bought a car without even raising a hood -- a heresy in Europe.

1 upvote
onlooker
By onlooker (Jun 15, 2012)

> My guess is that "The Americans" are not technically oriented and need helpful category guiding.

I don't even know how to respond. I must have been imagining living in Silicon Valley for the past 30 years.

1 upvote
sal26
By sal26 (Jun 8, 2012)

I was really hoping that t4i will have built-in wifi but it does not. I guess they want to sell there $700 wireless transfer transmitter with some other function even if you just want to transfer pictures to a pc.

2 upvotes
nutraman
By nutraman (Jun 8, 2012)

i'm guessing these lenses could be compatible (and focus quickly) with canon's new PDAF mirrorless system - either directly or through an adapter. they were released beforehand to give the mirrorless system more 'punch' and show canons user base some level and interoperability between systems.

...just a guess.

1 upvote
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Jun 8, 2012)

Times ago a Canon executive told DP in an interview that Canon will inovate in film focus in its DSLR. It should be this dedicated native pixels in sensor able to track the focus automatically and continuously like camcorder do. That is a major advance in DSRL movie capabilities. This shows too a major leap of Canon toward mixed still and movies cameras.

2 upvotes
Sambarino
By Sambarino (Jun 8, 2012)

Some nice features for a Rebel. I understand upgrading the video capabilities. Now, how about making a 60D II/70D with upgraded still capabilities for those of us who don't do video? I would trade everything video for better ISO, faster frame rate, better AF, selectable minimum shutter speed while in Av, range settable auto-ISO, larger sensor. Come to think of it, offer me a 5D3a with NO video capabilities for $2,500 and I would order one right now.

1 upvote
Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Jun 8, 2012)

Canon is not stupid, they know they would lose huge market share if they took out video mode on their DSLRs. It does not cost them $1,000 to add video mode in the 5D MK3. I bet over 50% of 5D MKII users do use the video mode with many using video mode 100% of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Rq2KzoTSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUUySn3y7w

1 upvote
gasdive
By gasdive (Jun 10, 2012)

The video is implimented in software. The last non video Canon was the 50d but you can make it a video DSLR with a firmware upgrade (albeit with no sound as it doesn't have a microphone). There's no trade off. Leaving it out won't get you your wishlist of better still photo goodies. Certainly leaving it out wouldn't cut the cost of a 5d3 by anything at all. That's like saying "give me a 5d3 with the menus rearragend for 2500 dollars".

0 upvotes
KennethDante
By KennethDante (Jun 8, 2012)

$849 for body, lol entry level?.. that's hilarious. For $650 you can treat yourself to a Sony a57 which has already nailed all this technology and then some, ( minus the touch screen/useless) and all without a floppy mirror.

10 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 8, 2012)

Comparing street prices to list prices is meaningless.

If you compare like-for-like, you'll see that the 650D is $50 cheaper than the 600D was, at launch, and $50 more than the list price of the A57. At which point, it looks quite sensible. Sorry if that's less hilarious.

7 upvotes
ET2
By ET2 (Jun 8, 2012)

Wrong R Butler .. A57 (body only) was $699 -- yes that was the launch price. It's $650 at street prices. That's $150 cheaper than T4i launch price ..

What's hilarious now :)

By the way, A57 review is long overdue

2 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 8, 2012)

Sorry, I was looking at kit lens prices for the other cameras - I hadn't checked what the $849 referred to. I stand corrected.

In which case it's $150 more than the A57 and $50 more than the 600D was. Steeper than I thought but still not that funny. ;)

3 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jun 8, 2012)

I agree and likely worth the extra cost over the A57 as well.

Carl

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Brazilian Joe
By Brazilian Joe (Jun 8, 2012)

You know, I would like to see RAW noise comparison between the t2i, t3i and t4i.
I know it's just a preview and it's just been announced, but I have a t2i and I want to know how much the image improves, to check whether it's a compelling upgrade for me.

2 upvotes
Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Jun 8, 2012)

They all use the same sensor so don't need to.
The extra price hike means switching up really isn't worth replacement...

2 upvotes
tonywong
By tonywong (Jun 9, 2012)

Not the same sensor since the T4i has phase detection built into its sensor. Might be some other improvements in there too.

2 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

I fear though Canon would be touting noise improvements if there were any...very disappointing if the sensor is no better, that was the #1 thing holding back many of us from upgrading. Maybe they are changing direction and the 60D replacement will finally have a better sensor (nstead of the Rebel often being a step ahead).

0 upvotes
Bodhi Dharma Zen
By Bodhi Dharma Zen (Jun 8, 2012)

did it lost the T3i remote flash trigger?

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Jun 8, 2012)

No. It mentions in the article that the built-in flash can active slave flash units.

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Bodhi Dharma Zen
By Bodhi Dharma Zen (Jun 8, 2012)

but I couldnt find if it will work in ETTL like the T3i does, all it mentions is wireless solutions using their remote transmiter... so I have doubts about it.

0 upvotes
Bodhi Dharma Zen
By Bodhi Dharma Zen (Jun 8, 2012)

I read it in more detail, it retains the wireless capability, which is a nice thing about the previous camera..

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Osiris30
By Osiris30 (Jun 8, 2012)

Maybe it's just me, but those base ISO images look a lot better noise wise than I'm used to seeing from the 'same old' 18MP sensor... seeing as they threw PDAF onto the main sensor it wouldn't surprise me if there's more tweaks in there..

This is so typically Canon.. play with new features on the entry level and then refine them and take the hyper refined version to the high end and trickle them down after that first iteration. Curious to see what the xxD and xD APS-? bring.

2 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jun 8, 2012)

Oh, wow, touch screen and continuous AF in movie mode with just 2 lenses, this thing finally almost caught up with the 2.5 years old Panasonic DMC-G2...

1 upvote
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

wow ignorance is bliss, just 2 lenses? It can use any canon lens but there are two lenses designed specifically for it.

Your sarcasm would sound so much better if you read things first :)

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Osiris30
By Osiris30 (Jun 8, 2012)

AmateurSnaps nailed it. If you want to comment on the camera that's fine, but I really wish the various fan boys on DPR would stick to trolling their own brand forums.

PDAF on sensor hints at a lot of really interesting things down the road, including (finally) automatic manual focus adjust fine tuning in future DSLR bodies (which I'm guessing we'll see in the next xxD)..

Self-tuning lenses would be a huge thing and I'm pretty sure it's coming based on this. Didn't expect to see a hybrid AF from Canon so soon and certainly not in a rebel without a *completely* new sensor.

1 upvote
gasdive
By gasdive (Jun 10, 2012)

Not only that, but if video is your thing there's now a range of dedicated Cine lenses, even from 3rd parties. So if the amazing (but pricey) canon cine lenses are too much to pay for, there's a Rokinon cine! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/868914-REG/Rokinon_RK8MV_C_8mm_f_3_8_Fisheye_Cine.html

0 upvotes
russellsnr2
By russellsnr2 (Jun 8, 2012)

Can you use it with Lightroom 3 or 4 tethered captured? because you do not have this option with the 600D.
Russ

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plasnu
By plasnu (Jun 8, 2012)

Really good camera if it were 3 years ago, but I'm wondering who will buy this today. Too many way better alternative such as D3200, NEX...

5 upvotes
thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Jun 8, 2012)

People who want to upgrade their old Canon Rebel cameras?

1 upvote
Patco
By Patco (Jun 8, 2012)

In what ways do you feel the D3200 is "way better"?
Is it because it has more MP?

5 upvotes
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

Nice statement, now lets see you back it up....

Given the camera has yet to get official reviews !

1 upvote
MFried
By MFried (Jun 8, 2012)

@AmateurSnaps: +1

@plasnu: people like me who've invested money in good glass and are a few generations behind (cam-bodywise) ;-)

Regarding D3200: haven't seen any real high-ISO samples done with it, yet - while you get a full set of 100% crops up to ISO12800 in the 650d review :)

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 4 minutes after posting
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justmeMN
By justmeMN (Jun 8, 2012)

DCRP states that the Nikon D3200 "tends to overexpose outdoors (and the opposite in our studio)". To make matters worse, the D3200 doesn't have Automatic Exposure Bracketing. It also features "images on the soft side" and "very slow AF when using live view", among other things.

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tabloid
By tabloid (Jun 8, 2012)

I have a D3200.
the camera is only as good as the lens that u put on it.
There is no such thing as a 'soft sensor,......its all down to the lens.

1 upvote
lioneyes90
By lioneyes90 (Jun 8, 2012)

Don't feed the trolls...

0 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

tabloid - are you kidding? They are not not film cameras, a computer prcesses the sensor data.

0 upvotes
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 8, 2012)

A precursor to what more 70D can have...as this T4i now firmly is into 60D territory or exceeds in many areas except the build quality (relative), pentaprism and few things. I chose to miss the upgrade from 50D - primarily for the lens micro focus adjust and magnesium alloy and faster FPS (less of the latter two), but if 70D will brign those back, then I am ready to upgrade. Bonus would be the video.

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CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 10, 2012)

I assume the T4i doe snot have quiet mode - nice to not wear out the shutter when shooting timelapses....timelapse mode would also be nice and it is RIDICULOUS that it does not have one.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Jun 8, 2012)

I shoot the 7D with super telephoto lenses and I think I will give this bad boy a try. Spec's the only thing is FPS. But 5 is ok with me. Looks like a great video camera for wild life and birding video. But the upgrade to the 7D will probably smack it around pretty good.

0 upvotes
Fatality
By Fatality (Jun 8, 2012)

Dear Canon,

Where is my fricken mirrorless?

6 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (Jun 8, 2012)

How would Canon know. When was the last time you used it? it's probably around there somewhere.

19 upvotes
Cax
By Cax (Jun 8, 2012)

Well, the combined Canon Fanboy Choir sang the tune for years that mirrorless cameras were lame, because they were not built by Canon. So why would they spend time and money developing and marketing them?

2 upvotes
thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Jun 8, 2012)

I don't see what's so wrong about Canon focusing on what they do well.

I don't see anyone complaining that Apple doesn't make toasters, and there is more than one company out there making great Mirrorless cameras.

You should stop being obsessed with Canon as a brand, and look at the rest of the market. If you want a great mirrorless system, just get into the M4/3, or dip your toe in Sony's NEX series, or Fuji's X-Pro line.

The only thing keeping you from having a great experience with a small camera setup is blind devotion to Canon. I owned a Canon 450d, I loved it's quality, but recently I pre-ordered an Olympus OM-D E-M5, because I wanted an upgrade, and a more compact system.

Don't be a fan boy, be a responsible consumer.

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2 upvotes
Fatality
By Fatality (Jun 8, 2012)

I want more innovation from Canon.. A mirrorless would be nice! The problem with large corporations is that they don't take risks.

and.. I'm not a Canon fanboy at all, I focus on the practicality of tools. The only reason I want Canon to have a mirrorless camera is because I would have more uses from my Canon lenses, but since they are slacking, I'm not going to wait, Olympus is churning out lovely mirrorless cameras.. I will get Olympus OM-D E-M5 soon, it will be a great travel/walk around camera. :)

0 upvotes
Fatality
By Fatality (Jun 8, 2012)

I don't understand.. Just because I bought into Canon system I'm automatically called "Canon fanboy". It's just a tool of choice.. It works well for me, the same way as Nikon works well for others.. I'm might complain and whine at times, but that's only because I want the most out of my investment (Canon system). I'm an artist and a "fan of photography", not a fan of products.. Calling someone automatically a "fanboy" just because they have an investment in a specific product is lame.

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0 upvotes
thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Jun 9, 2012)

I didn't call you a fan boy because you own Canon products, I called you a fan boy because you are neglecting that there is already an excellent market out there for mirrorless cameras.

If you want the best "bang for your buck", the NEX 5N is probably one of the very best cameras in the world in that regard. If you want a higher-end camera that performs as well, or almost as well as a DSLR, and gives you control options that are very close to one, both the NEX 7 and the Olympus OM-D E-M5 are excellent choices.

As long as you keep neglecting those options just because you like your Canon DSLR, you will continue being a fan boy.

Do note I'm saying you're forced to like the current options in the Mirrorless market, but so far you've only shown neglect for it.

If Canon introduces a mirrorless system, it's almost certain that you won't be able to use your current lenses without a converter, losing a bit of quality, and maybe even losing AF in the process.

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0 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

Serious photographers own expensive lenses and want to reuse them on a mirrorless...Sony/NEX doesn't work with Canon lenses the last time I checked.

0 upvotes
gingerbaker
By gingerbaker (Jun 8, 2012)

More than one - (but now 9!) cross-type sensors is a first for a Rebel. Well-done Canon!

18MP, low noise at ISO 12,000. We have come a long way. This was a what, a $7000+ camera just a few years ago, and that was without an articulated touchscreen or live-view.

2 upvotes
dara2
By dara2 (Jun 8, 2012)

This rebel will focus better than my 5D mk II ouich

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1 upvote
Cax
By Cax (Jun 8, 2012)

The 5D2 is something like a 500D with a freakishly expensive sensor in it, itsn't it?

2 upvotes
DaytonR
By DaytonR (Jun 8, 2012)

@Cax
Its funny you say that because someone once said the 500D was a poor mans 5D Mark II , which is probably right looking at their specs

1 upvote
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

Like said in the review, maybe the camera will (hopefully optionally) use phase detection to fast focus, and then use contrast detection to fine tune (for all lenses).

0 upvotes
MFried
By MFried (Jun 8, 2012)

Will it support SDHC-UHS cards (higher speed than normal SDHC)?

Mark.

0 upvotes
Knallberto
By Knallberto (Jun 8, 2012)

Nonsens such (expensive) cards. Each Class10 SDHC/SDXC (writing 15MBps, reading 20MBps) is faster than each Canon can handle.

0 upvotes
ET2
By ET2 (Jun 8, 2012)

UHS-1 are no longer expensive ... you can get 8GB 95MB/s UHS-1 for $27 on amazon, and they do clear the buffer much quicker than class 10

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2 upvotes
MFried
By MFried (Jun 8, 2012)

@Knallberto: that's obviously because up to now UHS is not supported ;-)

so my question still stands...

1 upvote
Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Jun 8, 2012)

I paid $13.99 w/free shipping for my 90ms/sec UHS-1 8GB Panasonic SDHC card from J&R last March and it works in all my cameras. The T4i is not a high speed DSLR so I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape over UHS-1 SDHC/SDXC cards. I bet all cameras coming out now support UHS-1 cards. I use a Pretec USB 3.0 card reader with my UHS-1 cards for fast uploads to my 6-core PC.

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 8, 2012)

Yes, it supports UHS-I.

2 upvotes
MFried
By MFried (Jun 8, 2012)

ok, to be more specific: does it support the faster transfer modes of UHS (might give some advantage when internal buffer is full and the cam has to write to SD in burst mode)

1 upvote
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 8, 2012)

We won't know that until we receive a production unit, I'm afraid.

0 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

18MB x 5 FPS seems high speed to me.

0 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jun 8, 2012)

Not that I want a DSLR as I like my NEX-5N but if I want one

Why would I got this instead of the much cheaper just $700 Nikon D3200 which has the NEX 7 Sony excellent sensor

Canon is selling on brand name only. The real photographer would turn away from them just like their 5D mark III

9 upvotes
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

I would reckon the Canon 650D is £100 too expensive at release price, not because of the Nikon 3200 (to crippled - but thats reflected in the very enticing price) but due to the current cost of the 60D.

2 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Jun 8, 2012)

I would also prefer a D3200, but at this price point, I might look long, if I didn't have a DSLR, I might look long and hard at the Pentax K-30 which seems to really offer a lot spec-wise for a little.

5 upvotes
h2k
By h2k (Jun 8, 2012)

As a Canonist, you might want the 650D because a side-hinging flip-screen with touch-to-focus or touch-to-focus-and-snap gives you unparalleled composing possibilities. And no, i don't mean self-portraits. I believe the only other company to give you exactly this in a current model is Panasonic. It is sad, though, that Canon doesn't have a side-hinging touch screen on a FF model. I know you don't need that at all, so actually nobody should ask for it, but still, requirements do differ.

1 upvote
lioneyes90
By lioneyes90 (Jun 8, 2012)

"The real photographer would turn away from them just like their 5D mark III"

Do you have any sources whatsoever to this statement? Would be interesting to read in that case...

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0 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (Jun 8, 2012)

"The real photographer would turn away from them just like their 5D mark III"
what is this statement based on?

0 upvotes
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

ZAnton I have never yet had a mobile phone with a damaged touch screen and it gets a huge amount more use than the 650D's will ever see. The fact that you think canon spent all that money implementing a touch screen just to improve future sales of new cameras did make me laugh, so thanks for cheering me up on such a rainy day :)

3 upvotes
ZAnton
By ZAnton (Jun 13, 2012)

Anyway I just hate touch screens. Manufacturers save money, because touch-screen is much cheaper than 10-15 buttons. So I am afraid of that tendemcy of t-s on DSLR. Now it looks like fun, but I want to see you, when you will have to dig in touch screen menu just to change exposure. BTW, say hello to people in handshoes.

0 upvotes
ZAnton
By ZAnton (Jun 8, 2012)

Touch-screen = fat fingerprints screen => unsellable 3-4 y.o. camera => higher sale on new cameras

1 upvote
onlooker
By onlooker (Jun 8, 2012)

You worry about a resale value on a four-year old Rebel?

3 upvotes
ZAnton
By ZAnton (Jun 13, 2012)

Just go to the used camera market and read how important that is. Probably you don't know about a number of different anti-scratch covers and protections for the normal screen.

0 upvotes
adobespain
By adobespain (Jun 8, 2012)

Does anyone know if the HD 1920x1080p is real this time?
I want crisp and clear video image.

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0 upvotes
Roberto Mettifogo
By Roberto Mettifogo (Jun 8, 2012)

real ?

0 upvotes
richg101
By richg101 (Jun 8, 2012)

Its 4k apparently. upgradable to 8k via magic lantern.

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (Jun 8, 2012)

My guess is without any hack like Magic Lantern it will be similar to the 600D/T3i. You might look at a Panasonic GH2 which is about as close to 1080P as you'll find in an HDSLR or mirrorless.

2 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

One significant new feature of the T4i is the addition of selectable RAW size: full RAW (18mp), M-RAW (10mp) and S-RAW (4.5mp). With my 60D, I do most of my general shooting at M-RAW simply because it's plenty of resolution for my needs. Plenty of times, you just don't need full 18mp for every shot, but you still want the flexibility of RAW. I shoot most of my wedding images at 10mp M-RAW, with full RAW reserved for the portraits or large group shots. That's quite helpful when you're shooting 2000+ images per wedding, In prior Rebels, you didn't have the option of M-RAW or S-RAW. Now this new Rebel offers M-RAW ans S-RAW! Cool.

Now Rebel shooters who find themselves running short on memory can switch to M-RAW instead of switching over to JPEG. This is a good option to have.

3 upvotes
bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (Jun 8, 2012)

I agree, it's something that's been missing Rebels and is a massive oversight on the D800 where you have to use 36 meg for every shot

1 upvote
Greg Summers
By Greg Summers (Jun 8, 2012)

no, the D800 offers 3 levels of sensor use 35mp and 15mp - even with FX lenses

3 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

I'd be tempted to shoot 3 bracketed full res jpegs instead of one raw. Been wondering for years which is best - if you get the exposure fairly close, then RAW is better, but you only get one chance at some shots and bracketing will almost always nail the exposure, and a fine jpg is good quality. I don't shoot professionally and lazily leave my camera on RAW mode, so I end up shooting bracketed raw images actually when I want to be sure to get a shot.

0 upvotes
cstogian
By cstogian (Jun 8, 2012)

I think this is a very interesting development, Canon is showing one way they could face the mirrorless challenge: they could turn their dslr into a mirrorless.

If the on-sensor phase detect autofocus becomes fast enough, they can completely remove the mirror, and offer all the advantages of a sony slt, without the half-a-stop light loss of the slt mirror: Fast autofocus during movies, possibility of an electronic viewfinder and articulated screen that work for both movies and images, higher continuous frame rates and smaller body size thanks to lack of mirror. Perhaps even a Pentax K-01 style body without the slow autofocus.

In addition, they will slowly update their lens lineup to support contrast detect autofocus for autofocus fine-tuning. No more calibrating lenses needed.

Sadly, as usual, Canon are moving very slowly, and charging very high prices in the process.

2 upvotes
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 8, 2012)

cstogian - hat's exactly what the conclusion mentions. But guess what - it would still be a major decision for Canon as it has to now introduce a whole new series and range of lenses unless they are stupid like Pentax to keep the same flange back distance. This actually is an interesting situation (read difficult) for Canon! Entry level DSLR users have to then abandon thier current Rebels, XXD models and move to the mirrorless format. More expensive proposition as millions need to abandon their lenses or use manual focusing (not something an entry level looks doing). Then only users of Canon's traditional lenses will be advance amateurs and pros. So they need to think of what direction they want to move. Tough ground for Canon to be in....any thoughts folks? DPR?

1 upvote
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jun 8, 2012)

@SulfurousBeast The thing is that with on-sensor PDAF and a completely electronic mount Canon are in a very good position to make a new mirrorless system with an adapter that offers 100% backward compatibility with DSLR lenses (including fast autofocus on all lenses), better even than m4/3->4/3 currently offers

1 upvote
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 9, 2012)

Andy - Agree, but Canon has to still make new lenses for a new mount. Adapter, however sophisticated would defeat the purpose of ILCs portability and convenience. Then I would argue, Pentax strategy is a better one, if anyone needs to use adaptors. While Canon may and I believe possess all the technology needed to make MILCs, my point is about the position they are in currently and the direction they need to choose to go forward. Classic example of being weighed down by your own success and legacy (in this case the millions of EF and EFS lenses)

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0 upvotes
CNY_AP
By CNY_AP (Jun 9, 2012)

Gotta buy new lenses to reap full benefits on the T4I (or maybe it should be called T$i)...

0 upvotes
ericsan
By ericsan (Jun 8, 2012)

Canon slow innovation makes me keep my 550D/T2i still for a while and rather invest in the coming Canon mirrorless body if it's worth or Olympus EM-5 which is so far the best mirorrless product ever !!

5 upvotes
Gao Gao
By Gao Gao (Jun 8, 2012)

They don't expect users to upgrade every iteration.

1 upvote
Tee1up
By Tee1up (Jun 8, 2012)

Seems like a nice set of specs but I rally hate touch-screens on cameras.

2 upvotes
jeerzz
By jeerzz (Jun 8, 2012)

why so serious man? just disable it.

9 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

Do you also hate touchscreens on your smart phone? It's a touchscreen world, pal. I would never buy another cell phone without a touchscreen, and eventually the same will happen with cameras! The idea of having to use a fiddly directional pad, joystick or a thumbwheel on a smart phone or tablet in order to navigate to any area of the screen is simply laughable, and yet people actually *prefer* this method on a camera?

I think the idea of cutting out the middle man (ie, the directional pad, joystick or the thumbwheel for navigating) is a great move forward for cameras. If I want to activate a certain area of the rear screen, I should be able to touch that spot on the screen...gee, just like on a smart phone or tablet! I'm not saying that these hard controls should go away. But a touchscreen definitely needs to be offered as an option on cameras moving forward, just as smart phone interfaces have moved to touch screens.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jun 8, 2012)

Touch screen allows for quick selection of current focus point with my OM-D.

Much faster than using buttons or dials on DSRL cameras without touchscreen.

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9 upvotes
inFocus
By inFocus (Jun 8, 2012)

Hate is a strong word to use, especially for a camera.

2 upvotes
G Davidson
By G Davidson (Jun 9, 2012)

I think I understand, but this is

a) A capacitative, glass display that should be responsive and easy to use.
b) Designed for DSLR features, so probably less obsessed with gimmickry than a compact, at least if used in 'advanced' modes.

I personally think that with all the features modern cameras have, they are crying out for a good touch-screen. Fortunately they also keep the analogue controls, for essential features.

0 upvotes
ExtremeTruth
By ExtremeTruth (Jun 8, 2012)

Finally Canon got with it! They were WAY too slow to get on the continuous AF bandwagon. As for the touch screen, that's more of a gimmick. I used to be thrilled when I heard cameras were having touch screen LCDs (years ago, Canon also slow on that one), but really it is not a great thing because you find yourself changing settings when you don't mean to, or setting the spot focus on a different part than you meant to. It should be interesting to see what the image quality will be like, as I've had the XT, T1i, and the T2i and all had too much noise. I hope this has improved on the T4i. I am anxious to get my hands on one when it is for sale.

3 upvotes
kapanak
By kapanak (Jun 8, 2012)

Wait wait ... They were very slow? What other camera except the Nikon 1 can you name with ON SENSOR Phase Detect/Hybrid AF?

3 upvotes
SonyAAA
By SonyAAA (Jun 13, 2012)

Many of the Sony DSLRs were way ahead of the game of Canon

1 upvote
RicardoPhotos
By RicardoPhotos (Jun 8, 2012)

I think this is a GREAT camera. The specs are great and the price will probably be very reasonable.

1 upvote
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

The new Sony camera got over 500 comments on its preview. I doubt this overpriced hulking non-upgrade of a sucker's camera gets even half as many. Canon hasn't upgraded its sensor in three years, that's an absolute joke.

13 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

The joke's on you. This new Rebel's sales will absolutely run circles around the RX100's sales. Comments on dpreview don't necessarily translate into sales because, after all, posting a comment is free but buying the camera is not free!

Besides, each of these cameras has its place in the market. People who want a DSLR will buy a DSLR. People who want a compact pocket cam will buy a compact pocket cam. To compare these two cameras as if they are interchangeble or as if they reside in the same space in the market is the true joke! LOL. So the joke is on you.

10 upvotes
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

I never said anything about sales. Of course most people who buy this kind of camera don't know very much about photography and just buy whichever brand they've heard the most about. That's why Canon can make it ridiculously overpriced compared to the competition.

Comments on dpreview don't translate into sales but they do give you a pretty good idea of which cameras are the most interesting to people who know about photography. The most popular cameras are $200 or cheaper compacts and nobody around here bats an eye any time those get iterated with insignificant changes every year.

The reason I am comparing the two cameras is because it is becoming more and more apparent that the number of people who want a high performing compact is growing and the number people who want a trophy camera that requires a neck strap is shrinking.

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deep7
By deep7 (Jun 8, 2012)

My goodness! I read some rubbish on dpreview but this lowers the bar. Canon know exactly what the market wants and have introduced that into an upgraded new model with a sensor which has proven to be excellent and will run rings round the new baby Sony sensor (the little Sony isn't remotely comparable other than it is a camera). These Canon SLRs sell well because they are very good cameras, not because of some conspiracy theory you have.

4 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

@IcyVeins- Rationalize it all you want, but the joke is still on you. To claim that people buying Canons "don't know very much about photography" or that Canons are just "a trophy camera" is just plain childish. How old are you, 16? LOL.

One can just as easily say that people who REALLY know about photography, or want to be SERIOUS about photography, and don't want to be limited by a camera with a small 1" sensor, a camera with a fixed non-removable zoom lens, a camera that has a lens that gets very slow on the long end, a camera that doesn't have a hotshoe, a camera that doesn't have a viewfinder, a camera that has no wireless flash capabilities, etc. will instead opt for a camera like the Rebel T4i that DOESN'T have any of these limitations rather than an overpriced camera like the RX100 that DOES have all these limitations! Hahaha! Joke's on you again.

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skytripper
By skytripper (Jun 8, 2012)

IcyVeins: Please go crawl back under the rock you just crawled out from. Oh, and seek professional help asap.

T3: You're as crazy as he is!

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

I like how you tried to spin my comments; I said those things about people who buy "this type of camera" meaning a low-end DSLR with beginner features, not about people who buy Canon cameras in general. Most people who will buy this camera are neophytes, that is beyond dispute. Canon goes out of its way to mention how beginner friendly the camera is in the press release.

Also remember you are comparing a $650 pocket camera to a $950 camera that ismuch larger and heavier and whose kit lens is dimmer and has a shorter zoom. My point is that more and more people are feeling "limited" by the size, weight, and cost, and less and less are feeling limited by the differences in performance, which are getting smaller and smaller with every generation.

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T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

IcyVeins, what you fail to understand is that people may, indeed, start with a camera like the Rebel, but it gives you MUCH, MUCH greater room to grow as a photographer! So even your "this type of camera" comment fails miserably.

Yes, this camera is aimed at "beginners", but it still offers SO MUCH MORE than what a camera like the RX100 offers. Can you change the lens on the RX100? Can you go wider or longer on the RX100 than what its lens currently offers? Can you use a viewfinder on the RX100? Can you put a flash on the RX100? Can you do wireless TTL flash on the RX100? Can you control DOF as well on an RX100? Can you articulate the LCD on an RX100?

Whether you're a neophyte or not, the smart money for future growth is still better spent on "this type of camera" (ie, the T4i) as opposed to the very limiting (especially for the money) RX100, which offers no room to grow at all! So again, the joke's on you.

I can shoot a wedding with a T4i, but not with an RX100.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

If you want to "grow" then at some point you are going to have to upgrade to a new camera one way or the other. The superior lenses for the rebel drive the cost into the thousands of dollars. The Sony is arguably the best pocket camera you can get, depending on your interests. Every camera is limiting, the Rebel limits you in terms of where and how often you can use it, and in terms of price.

Your final comment about shooting a wedding is most ridiculous of all because I'd bet you'd insist on using lenses that cost more than the camera itself.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 8, 2012)

@IcyVeins

I agree that this is another ho-hum product from Canon but it will still be a very popular camera, sales wise, due to the Canon branding.

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0 upvotes
IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

bigdaddave, please tell us, who got fired for buying a Sony?

0 upvotes
tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Jun 8, 2012)

Joke's on you because this is a different sensor to the 18mpx sensor before. 18mpx is a standardised canon frame resolution now. Theres none of that colour shift on the 550D at 6400~12800 in the samples.

If you think Sony is doing that well, maybe to some vehement fans but in general they're not selling great. Canon, Nikon with every product outsell sony, for a good reason. On paper Sony are better but in use I find nikon and canon in all aspects, better.

1 upvote
JohnFredC
By JohnFredC (Jun 8, 2012)

T3 said: "but it gives you MUCH, MUCH greater room to grow as a photographer!". Well, if your idea of photography is rooted in behavioral limitations associated with equipment designed for and trying to emulate 20th century technology, perhaps so. But let's be honest with ourselves: the most versatile cameras are the little pocket travel zooms. They will get all of the photos the DSLRs will, and many that the DSLRs can't. The only DSLR advantages are pixel quality, bokeh, and quickness (i.e. for sports), and those are moot when the DSLR can't even get the pic because the subject is too far away or too close for the kit in hand, or in a place where a large camera is obtrusive or uncomfortable to use. There are many more pictures out there that cannot under normal circumstances or reasonable equipment logistics be taken by a DSLR than that can be. I'll never invest in an SLR-style camera again. Too limiting.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 8, 2012)

(Yawn) The reason Canon is so big is because they make what most people want, even non-professionals (if there are any). My guess is they prefer to sell huge numbers of conventional cameras rather than worry about how much gossip they can generate on dpreview.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 8, 2012)

What most people want isn't what most people on here want. And the evidence of that is in the number of comments. Hell this one comment chain alone has 15 of the 109 comments.

1 upvote
Dannyboy292
By Dannyboy292 (Jun 8, 2012)

I think it is a pretty nice camera for the rebel line...from specs alone im almost tempted to down grade from my 60D...ALMOST!!!

0 upvotes
ET2
By ET2 (Jun 8, 2012)

which you will regret doing once Canon releases 70D, which I am sure is up for update soon

0 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

If you shoot RAW at even a mildly brisk pace, you'll want to stick with the 60D. The Rebel (as is the case with all the Rebels) has only a 6 frame RAW buffer. After that, you can only shoot as the buffer clears enough space to take another shot. The 60D, on the other hand, has a generous 16 frame RAW buffer, which means no shooting bottleneck while shooting RAW. That's one big reason why many people choose an XXD body over a Rebel.

If you only shoot JPEG, or never shoot RAW at a brisk pace, it's a non-issue. But for any brisk-paced RAW shooting, the XXD's bigger RAW buffer is a necessity.

1 upvote
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jun 8, 2012)

DSLR prosumers are one spoiled bunch.

Keep 'em coming, Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc...

.

12 upvotes
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

One of the best responses so far :D

For anyone looking to get into photography there are so many fantastic options available to them from what I think is becoming a more competitive market.

This can only be a good thing :)

4 upvotes
gasdive
By gasdive (Jun 10, 2012)

I agree. I clearly remember drooling over a 6mp digital that cost a year's wages. My first 6mp camera cost 2 months wages. Now this 18mp gem is under a week's wages.

1 upvote
bakhtyar kurdi
By bakhtyar kurdi (Jun 8, 2012)

That is great news, according to my calculation, no longer than 2089 and we will see a Rebel T81i with 24 MP like Nikon and Sony, so I'll stay with Canon and wait for that day, if Azraeel ( the angel of death) wait for me so long.

1 upvote
AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (Jun 8, 2012)

You just haven't got a clue have you

1 upvote
jeerzz
By jeerzz (Jun 8, 2012)

shut up and take my money

3 upvotes
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Jun 8, 2012)

Rebels are long over due with EOS-1 controls of it bigger dSLR siblings, with thumbwheel controls (lockable) rather than the less effective 4-way Nav buttons or anything menu-driven (even with a touch screen).

Some PowerShots have the thumbwheel, but it's not lockable (for those still using AE modes, and don't want accidental priority adjustments). those who would use M more, it never needs to be locked, unless passed to others for handling.

0 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

I don't think thumbwheels are necessarily better. They get easily nudged, thus requiring the tedious lock-unlock feature. That lock-unlock feature is a necessary evil because thumbwheels have that major flaw of being so easily nudged! That isn't the case with 4-way nav buttons. Canon has made improvements on their lock-unlock switches (which is now a button on the 60D), but it still sucks to have to deal with it at all!

As for "menu-driven" interface, Canon's current screen interface really isn't about digging into menus, especially with the "Quick Screen" interface which basically offers surface-level interaction with every setting or parameter you see there. It's even better now that the new Rebel has a touch interface thus negating the need to use a joystick or control wheels (archaic!) to scroll to your desired setting you want to adjust. It's so much better to just use your finger to just touch the setting you want to adjust. Time to join the 21st century.

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T3
By T3 (Jun 8, 2012)

Just imagine if the iPhone or any other modern smart phone required you to use a joystick or thumbwheel to navigate to any icon or area on the smartphone screen! LOL. Any phone with such a limitation would be universally panned for having such a horrible interface! And yet, in the camera world, there are still people who seem to think that such an archaic interface is a positive. No thanks. Canon is moving in the right direction with a direct-access touchscreen interface.

I'm looking forward to seeing ALL of Canon's future DSLRs getting touchscreens. Sure, for those out-dated oldies who still prefer to navigate exclusively with a joystick or a thumbwheel to get around on the screen, they can keep doing that. But I think the rest of us will appreciate having smartphone-like rear screen interfaces. I'm not saying the joystick or thumbwheel should go away. It won't, because in some situations that's a better option. But bring on the touchscreen option!

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Ultramontanist
By Ultramontanist (Jun 8, 2012)

Well, T3, you obviously don't use your viewfinder very much, do you? If you do, please link to a video in which you demonstrate looking through the VF and adjusting shooting parameters on you touchscreen at the same time. "out-dated oldies", oh please...

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botw
By botw (Jun 8, 2012)

I very much look forward to the touch screen. I love it on my NEX 5n. I wonder, however, whether it turns off when you have your eye to the OVF? I would hate to have to worry about changing settings in addition to just getting nose grease on the screen... :)

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