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Nokia 808 Pureview 1/1.2", 41MP sensor smartphone coming soon to UK and US

By dpreview staff on Jun 26, 2012 at 23:30 GMT

Nokia's 808 Pureview, the smartphone built around a 1/1.2" 41MP sensor can now be pre-ordered from Amazon in both the UK and US. This is despite Nokia originally saying it would not be launched in the US. In both instances the phone will be available unlocked and without a contract. As a result, the cost isn't subsidized by a carrier, meaning the handset will set you back £499 or $699 in the US (where it can be used on the AT&T or T-Mobile networks). Amazon says the phone will ship from the June 30th in the UK and July 8th in the US. We've had a brief chance to use the large-sensor smartphone and will be posting a report in the coming weeks, once we have a chance to shoot a samples gallery.


Nokia Press Release:

Pure quality: The Nokia 808 PureView hits the shelves at Amazon UK

London, 26 June 2012 - Nokia is delighted to announce that the incredible Nokia 808 PureView is now available to pre-order from Amazon and will be shipping at the end of June. The Nokia 808 PureView boasts an impressive 41 megapixel sensor and Carl Zeiss optics and is the first smartphone to feature Nokia's award-winning PureView technology, which represents not only Nokia’s but the industry’s highest level smartphone imaging experience.

The Nokia 808 PureView brings together high-performance sensors, exclusive Carl Zeiss optics and Nokia design to provide users with a truly outstanding camera phone experience.

Since it was announced in February, the Nokia 808 PureView has received multiple awards, including Best Mobile Device at Mobile World Congress 2012, as well as an award for Best Imaging Innovation for 2012 from the Technical Image Press Association (TIPA).

"PureView has completely raised the bar on imaging performance for the whole smartphone industry - and Nokia is not stopping here," said Jo Harlow, Head of Smart Devices at Nokia. "We're going to carry on developing PureView for our future smartphones in ways that will again revolutionise the imaging experience."

The Nokia 808 PureView features a large, high-resolution 41 megapixel sensor with high-performance Carl Zeiss optics and new pixel oversampling technology. At standard resolutions (2/3, 5 and 8 megapixels) this means the ability to zoom without loss of clarity and capture seven pixels of information, condensing into one pixel for the sharpest images imaginable.

At high-resolution the Nokia 808 has the ability to capture an image, then zoom, reframe, crop and resize afterwards to expose previously unseen levels of detail. With superior low-light performance and the ability to save in compact file sizes for sharing in email, MMS, and on social networks, the Nokia 808 PureView makes it possible for anyone to capture professional looking images in any conditions.

In addition to superior still imaging technology, the Nokia 808 PureView also includes full HD 1080p video recording and playback with 4X lossless zoom and the world's first use of Nokia Rich Recording.  Rich Recording enables audio recording at CD-like levels of quality, previously only possible with external microphones.

The Nokia 808 PureView also features exclusive Dolby Headphone technology, transforming stereo content into a personal surround sound experience over any headphones and Dolby Digital Plus for 5.1 channel surround sound playback.

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Hydroxycut2
By Hydroxycut2 (Aug 18, 2012)

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vaclav1
By vaclav1 (Jul 9, 2012)

How much is Shutter Lag including Full Autofocus?
I have read, it is 0.8 sec. Is it true?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jun 30, 2012)

Guys you are really funny . For 600+ euros you can buy a REAL camera, AND NOT THIS TOY CAMERA, i'm not talking about the phone (there is nothing to say) (once you go Symbian you never want to even hear anything about it ) !!!!!

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 1, 2012)

But I already have a real camera and there is REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH these latest versions of SYMBIAN (not that there relatively would have been with the earlier ones to boot, at least if you are a tech savvy user in the slightest degree.) Even my old aunt doesn’t have a problem with it, she still can read the user’s manual and learn, you see.

600€ is reasonable price for this extraordinary digital convergence device. But thank you for your input and be happy with whatever meets your needs, Nokia 808 PureView does the trick for me.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 1, 2012)

Good is always depending on how much and in what quality, if you find 600 euros reasonable price for this crap you might need to hurry up to pre-order. Now about your old aunt, one good thing, SHE CAN READ but pleassseeee . Symbian for me and some tenths of people i know is that do not want to hear anything about it .
I really hope this nokia to keep doing the trick to you after the first month !!!!!!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jul 3, 2012)

"Symbian for me and some tenths of people i know is that do not want to hear anything about it . "

Well, be happy with a sandboxed and, without jailbreaking, completely incapable OS, then.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 3, 2012)

@ Menneisyys i hope you won't mind but i am (happy ) and with 600+ euros IN MY POCKET.
BUT please let me tell you something first , the sensor this crap will be using is approximately 1/1,2 of the inch meaning that the manufacturer has to fit a big amount of pixels in a little space meaning a lot of chroma , moire and bad noise .
The camera in default will be using a small lens and a 5 megapixel of 7 pixel binning sensor (just to be able to take a decent photo) (as i have read ) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_binning ) meaning somewhere between 35 - 40 megapixel .
Now Why Symbian !!! very simple it was pure marketing, windows phones and Android phones are selling either way but not Symbian phones so what nokia had to do was to find a barker and that was the 41 megapixel photo camera .
No need to thank me for my time !!!!!

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nikosrf
By nikosrf (Jul 3, 2012)

Another strange thing is that a big phone manufacturer keep investing and using 2 different Operating Systems. As Petrogel said...marketing (and for me, bad marketing)

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 4, 2012)

Actually, using a few OS in different products is not unheard-of e.g. Samsung and HTC do that too. There are also technical reasons for doing so, in the case of Nokia 808 one of the reasons is that PureView R&D was started long before Nokia decided to concentrate its efforts towards Microsoft's WP OS. Eventually this technology will find its way to WP powered phones too, but it will take time.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 4, 2012)

@Petrogel

You do know that the sensor is about the same size as that found in the Canon G1X or Nikon 1 system don't you?

And as for Symbian......no other OS is capable of utilising a 41mp sensor so it's Symbian or nothing.

Here's some crops from the 808 compared to the 5D MkIII......not as bad as you expected is it. Probably beats your DSLR in good light and it fits in your pocket.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-pureview-vs-olympus-e-pl2-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii-vs-apple-iphone-4s-38mp-shootout/

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 5, 2012)

@ Sir_bazz
NO, IT IS NOT
Dear sir_bazz when you respond on a comment it is good to KNOW if what you are commenting is Right or false .
Firstly the size of the sensor (of the pureView) is at least three (3) times smaller than the one canon G1x is equipped ( http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/27/Nokia-808-PureView-with-41MP-sensor )
( http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x )
Secondly The OS has nothing to do with the capability of the camera (only the size of the of the files that will be asked to manage )
Thirdly the comparison is the least, FUNNY, actually the whole blog is funny.

P.S Your ignorance cramps my conversation. Anthony Hope

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 5, 2012)

The Nokia 808 sensor size is on the same regiment with Nikon 1 CX, not so with Canon G1 X, he clearly had a mix-up there.

The camera functionality is tightly integrated into the RTOS, it is not a completely separate utility with its own CPU and DSP (there is an image pipeline DSP), and therefore you are wrong about the influence of OS.

And finally, isn't it great that you don't have to buy one and that I have already ordered one? We both benefit from the freedom of choice, don't we?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 5, 2012)

@Virvatulet
Dear Sir / Mum
I really hope you will enjoy your new phone (i really do, though i might sound arrogant to you ).

Nokia itself announced that the phone will support Windows Phone OS-
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-pureview-confirmed-come-windows-phone-lumia-family
- Therefore the capability of the OS is not an issue (even if it were i'm sure microsoft could give a solution).

I don't know exactly what you mean with the word "regiment" but the Nokia's 808 pureView sensor is 30% smaller than the one Nikon 1 CX uses, i will not get in to details about the optics that these three "cameras" (808 is not a camera ) use. ANY COMPARISON of the Nokia's 808 pureView with ANY of these cameras is - Pointless -

P.S I really hope you'll enjoy your camera

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 6, 2012)

@Virvatulet
Yup...my bad on the G1X. I actually meant the Canon G12 but it's actually larger than that if we want be accurate.

@Petrogel
WP8 will have the "pureview" technology but the only current SoC's certified by WP8 don't support images larger than 20mp.
http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/06/22/qualcomm-confirms-the-soc-found-from-the-launch-wp8-devices-msm8960-adreno-225/

So the relationship between the OS, the hardware and the camera extends further than just "the size of the files what will be asked to manage". WP8 may support larger sensors in the future but not until Microsoft certify a SoC with a better GPU.

P.S I'm guessing English isn't your primary language so no offence taken.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 7, 2012)

Well I'm happy to admit that there's plenty of people who know more about digital cameras than me.

But judging from your challenge results here at DPR, you should admit that you don't have a clue about photography. (YOUR RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES). :)

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 7, 2012)

@ sir_bazzzzzzzzzz

The correct is " there're plenty of people" and not " there's plenty of people" (that's for my english)
About my photography i'm good with it too. But if you think (by looking my challenge entries ) (which means you looked my profile, and searched for something to excel ) you are a better photographer than me, i'm really happy for you, that doesn't change the bulls..t you've posted about nokia's 808 sensor being the same size with canon's G1X, nikon's 1 and the superiority of the symbian OS.

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Virvatulet
By Virvatulet (Jul 7, 2012)

@ Petrogel
Once again you are wrong, in an all inclusive way that is. Why bother to continue? You don't like Nokia, which is fine; you have something to criticize, that's fine too, but get your facts right.

You are right about one thing though i.e. that you seem arrogant. Not because you would be so good at it, more of that you seem to believe that you were. The correct grammar is as Sir_bazz wrote: there's plenty of people. It is a non-standard form when used with apostrophe indicated contraction, an exception or idiom if you will.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 7, 2012)

@ Varvitulet

Once again ? (I don't think so !!)
I don't bother to continue !!!! but if you do !! why do you? I don't like Nokia and that is obvious (if that took you 15 comments to realize it i'm sorry)

I used the word "arrogant " as a manner of speaking and not because i believe i am.

I'm on site commenting about a product, which i don't believe it can deliver what it evangelizes that it can, (specially about the quality of the photo)

Now if you want to turn this site about english grammar it's o.k with me, but as far as i remember, you can't use a singular verb when the subject is in plural, on countable nouns, if i remember well. ..................

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 8, 2012)

@Petrogel
I never said Symbian was superior....those are your words not mine.
In any case, I would've still purchased this device if it was released with ios, android or the upcoming WM8 OS because I like the advantage of having a good camera integrated with my phone, (one less device to carry around).

But getting back on track, just what is it exactly that you think the 808 is evangelizing in terms of IQ? I ask as it appears there's still a large disconnect between those of us who are still actively posting here.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 8, 2012)

@ Sir_bazz

O.K One last time.

I don't care what you've said about the Symbian, actually i don't care about this O.S. I also don't know what the nokia 808 evangelizing in terms of I.Q.

"Getting back on track" as you say .

What nokia claims:
Nokia Launches a phone with a 41mp camera, giving the impression that this phone will deliver a better quality photos, even better than the ones, high-end digital compact cameras does.

What i say:
Nokia barks for a 41mp camera phone, no high quality only big pixel count and that's because marketers "dictate". However if you would like to take a decent photo you are limited to do that with either 5 or 8 megapixel.
I believe that in less than 6 months you'll see this phone working under WP8

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 8, 2012)

part 2

The data:
The size of the sensor is 1/1,2 of an inch (10.8mm x 7.5mm)(81sqmm)
compare to nikon's 1 (13,2mm x 8,8mm)(116sqmm), compare to canon's G1X (18,7mm x 14mm)(261,8sqmm). Canon G12 has a smaller sensor (7,6mm x 5,7mm)(43sqmm) in canon laboratories the did exactly the opposite nokia did, they reduced the number of the megapixel G11 and G12 had compared to the G10(from 14,7mp to 10mp) just to get better per pixel quality.
Nokia's 808 sensor is based on a 1,4 microns pixel size sensor (smaller the size of the pixel less the information carried ), nokia in order to have a better quality on photos reinvents the oversampling (that's already exists in many of the photo cameras when you down-grade the number of the pixels or in photoshop when you are viewing a photo than less than 100% of it's size ) which is gathering information from more than 1 pixel.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 8, 2012)

part 3

The camera in default will be using 8 pixels as one to deliver a 5 megapixel image (decent enough and in very good quality compared to other phone-cameras and not photo cameras nor DSLR's). Now this 41mp story is more marketing than anything else .

My opinion, if in Nokia were advertising the size of the sensor and not the ridiculous number of 41 megapixel (not even DSLR's carry that number of pixels) they could expand their target group

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jul 8, 2012)

So it seems you have an issue with marketing guff which makes you just like the rest of us!!

Yes the "41mp" is used for marketing purposes but as you know there are also real world advantages to oversampling.

No one here defending the 808 is expecting the camera to produce glorious hi-res "41mp" images cos it just ain't gonna happen, but they do see the pros of having a pocket camera that produces excellent 5mp or 8mp images that have been downsampled from the original 41mp. And after having used the 808 for a couple of weeks now I can tell you that it delivers in that regard completely.

I've settled on using the 5mp setting as default and can tell you that the IQ really is stunning. I also took a couple of full res images to see what they're like but the internal downsampling saves time and effort over doing it manually in post within PS.

For all the important images, of course the DSLR is still the first tool to reach for. For happy snaps and grab shots this thing is perfect.

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Wei Steen
By Wei Steen (Jul 8, 2012)

Aaaah!

"Never argue with a fool. They'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (Jul 8, 2012)

@ Wei Steen
I couldn't agree more !!!

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jul 12, 2012)

i bought it for 500 euros+

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Jun 30, 2012)

DPreview take on the 808.. that is great news! It's camera deserves a proper review, and most phone review websites can't really do that.. GSMarena does a pretty good job, but still.

Since you only had it for a brief time, it won't be as detailed.. but still :)

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

Can't wait to read your review on this unit so far the 808 Flickr Group has churned out some stunning images and the GSMArena reviews have been impressive would love to hear what you guys have to say about it

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thgun
By thgun (Jun 29, 2012)

Yes me again. I'm sorry to say this to you all but Nokia are dying a slow and painfull death. If they had chose android maybe not. Microsoft can't do hardware only software. Nokia will always be remembered for it's good times. 8-)

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

the only android company doing well is samsung if nokia went android they'd just be scrounging around with the rest of them

nokia really should have pushed its Maemo OS more as its better than Android but there was sooo much in fighting and confusion that they did themselves in the MSFT deal may still save the day if Windows Phone 8 pans out but that's still quite a whiles away

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thgun
By thgun (Jun 29, 2012)

Great impressive (lol) I was a big Nokia fan, nothing but, untill nokia started to lose it's way in the world. Window OS my god has it come down to this. I've used windows mobile and it was bad then. And as for a 41 mp senser on a midrange smart phone running symbian, what a waste of technology. Nokia always had the latest technology but not anymore. It was difficult for me to change but in the end I did it. Again I would by this only as a collectors item. My N 8 spec was higher (lol).

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 29, 2012)

Not my info but from another forum......

808 = 2x N8

2x Xenon flash (power)
2x flashes (Xenon + now LED too)
2x RAM (256MB -> 512MB)
2x ROM (512MB -> 1GB)
2x CPU MHz (680MHz -> 1.3GHz)
2x GPU specs (but up to 5x in performance)
2(.5)x Sensor size (1/1.83" -> 1/1.2")

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Sasparilla
By Sasparilla (Jun 29, 2012)

Sorry thgun, but what a bunch of baloney comparing the 808 the N8 spec's. I have an N8 & the 808 is basically a 2x N8 in virtually any spec (except the screen resolution which looks to be about the same) and the N8 runs Belle easily - so the 808 with twice the RAM should do it well.

If what you want is a fabulous camera, an excellent phone / messaging with a basic ecosystem (not like android or iOS) this is the phone you want. Need that software ecosystem of apps for this and that then its probably not.

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maboule123
By maboule123 (Jun 28, 2012)

41 MP???????
How many spoonfuls of sugar can a cup of coffee take?

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thgun
By thgun (Jun 29, 2012)

41 mp sensor yes but only 39 effective.

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KennethDante
By KennethDante (Jun 28, 2012)

Whaaaaaat?!!!!

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Jun 28, 2012)

29 sample images from Nokia 808
under the magnifying glass of pixel-peepers:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/23/3113109/nokia-808-pureview-sample-photos#3486531

Looks very good to me.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jun 28, 2012)

How is a 100% crop or 1:1 pixel peeping? Do you have magnifying glasses for eyes?

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jtcm
By jtcm (Jun 28, 2012)

Sticking to the real matter of the camera itself, lens flare seems to affect the 808 just as much as it does on the N8. Perhaps for product promotion sake, Nokia should seriously consider sending a free sample to JJ Abrams.

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jun 28, 2012)

jtcm: Where can I read about lens flare on the 808? A quick search didn't turn up anything interesting for me.

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Ryan_Valiente
By Ryan_Valiente (Jun 28, 2012)

If only this runs on Android..it will be a success.

As much as how Symbian/Nokia fans out there says how Symbian is better now, I'm still not going back to a dying ecosystem. Nokia can't even purely commit to WP7.

- -
High ISO shots looks like a painting. lol

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775p4.php

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UHW
By UHW (Jun 28, 2012)

See it that way - the will be no viruses or trojans for Symbian. So if you want to use your smartphone also for serious tasks and not just have the latest and coolest gadgets/apps, it may still be worth a look.

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jun 28, 2012)

Ryan_Valiente: How is a "dying ecosystem" going to harm its ability to take pictures? Perhaps the quality of the camera is not important to you.

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thgun
By thgun (Jun 29, 2012)

Not unless you want a midrange os cos that all it is. Are you using android or wp7?

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

@thegun hows it a midrange os when it can do more than the other os' ???

unless you rate an OS' range by how many fart apps it has...

@OP Android & its hardware can't handle the 41mpx sensor (its a fact only 20mpx max) so that wouldn't work; and the only Android manufacturer having any success is Samsung the rest are heavily struggling to get by and even Samsung is facing stiff legal battles with Apple

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BellsK
By BellsK (Jul 2, 2012)

Sorry, you didn't know that Android or any other OS currently is not efficient and optimised enough to work with more than 20 megapixels. They will die even with their dual/quad core processors. Symbian is(or was) a mature and solid OS for mobile devices.

This 41MP sensor is a work of 5 years on Symbian. Even Windows Phone won't be able to match up.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Jun 28, 2012)

Can't wait to see the pix of the Moonrise over Hernandez, New Mexico.

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Dpreviewmember
By Dpreviewmember (Jun 27, 2012)

Belle is way better than previous versions, only a faint resemblance with the ones before it, finally the OS it should be from the beginning, I hated previous Symbs on N97(crappy phone) and on N8 and loved iOS5 so I'm not kidding !

Belle is efficient, smooth, runs on low memory/CPU and 1.3GHz is much faster than on the N8. Free GPS nav and guidance, with no need of internet connection, maps on the phone, something I've been dreaming since iOS4.

If all you want is a good dependable phone, to make calls/sync contacts/calendar/etc, plus great music and awesome video player, lots of connectivity and THE BEST current camera-phone by far, then
Nokia's PureView 800 is definitely for you,
oh yeah you can surely trash your pocket Point&Shooter, won't need it anymore :-)

Have a look at this reviews :
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview-review-776.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775.php

Thank you Nokia ! I was already loosing hopes on the Finns

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robbo d
By robbo d (Jun 27, 2012)

Have 2 friends at work with N8's, which is what I wanted, but no longer for use with plans in Australia. They have upgraded to belle and love it. At least Nokia have constantly backed up their systems. I had a play n it looks to run great.
Unfortunately Nokia not bringing this here as well.....suck !
Enjoy using my HTC for of the cuff snaps n some good ones at that, but this thing ROCKS for image quality. With reverse interpolation it rivals much better cameras for IQ in good light.
I am one who is happy with symbian especially if i get this camera and it'd apps.

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Liberty555
By Liberty555 (Jun 27, 2012)

Reverse interpolation... Isn't that a slightly techy term for extrapolation?

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rusticus
By rusticus (Jun 27, 2012)

Bullshi*

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jun 27, 2012)

Symbian ??????????????

No, Thank's

NO

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Alberto de Harenne
By Alberto de Harenne (Jun 27, 2012)

If you have a ferrari , who must be the driver, your wife or Michael Shumager ? Or in this case, symbian or Android. Nokia is going in very wrong way.

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jun 28, 2012)

Very wrong indeed...

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 28, 2012)

«Shumager». Who he?

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (Jun 27, 2012)

Whats a 1/1.2 sensor ...is that big or small, I have no idea...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Much bigger than any other phone sensor (they start at 1/1.7") and just a bit smaller than that of the Sony RX100 and the Nikon 1 series, which are 1".

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grafli
By grafli (Jun 27, 2012)

1/1.2 sensor is by far the biggest Phone-sensor.
Normal Smartphones have a 1/2,5" sensor.

The new sensor has a aprox. 6times bigger surface area.

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (Jun 27, 2012)

Thanks guys...

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jimjim2111
By jimjim2111 (Jun 27, 2012)

I think smartphone sensors are normally a bit smaller than grafli's 1/2,5" suggestion - I see Sony have recently announced an 8 and a 13Mp sensor for phones - 1/3.2" and 1/4". 1/2.5 is the sort of size you get in p&s cameras.

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Tulevaisuus
By Tulevaisuus (Jun 28, 2012)

Sounds like someone wears Finnish glasses in these conversations. Sadly there will be no Nokia anymore. RIP-nokia.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

actually folks the average sensor size for smartphones (and the iphone at that) is 1/3.2" because those phones want to remain super thin

the sensor in the 808 is larger than the Canon S100 and smaller than the Sony RX100 by a tad

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Jun 27, 2012)

'zooming' in 4x on 41 Mpix (41 is close to 7x7 so you have 7k pixels on a side on the whose sensor) will leave one with about 1.8k*1.8k = 3Mpix - so at resolution of 3 Mpix and 4 times zoom you are taking one pixel of the sensor for one pixel of the image. Now given the tiny size of the pixels (smaller than any compact camera out there) I would not expect too much of image quality.

However without zooming in the IQ should in theory be better than any of the compacts out there - if the lens plays well.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jun 27, 2012)

The biggest question to me is (as another poster also mentioned) - does it have a shutter priority mode?

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teeoh717
By teeoh717 (Jun 27, 2012)

It definitely is intriguing, but my original three-year-old Moto Droid (that I still haven't gotten the opportunity of ditching just yet) has a higher 854x480 resolution display (@ 265ppi), even at an inch smaller...

180ppi (320x640) on a phone with a 41 megapixel camera?? What exactly was Nokia thinking? Utter deal breaker in my opinion.

There's a reason most new DSLR screens carry 270+ ppi density. Going "back" to anything lower is a noticeable step backwards. What a shame.

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lxstorm
By lxstorm (Jun 27, 2012)

There is another "shame" new flagship Leica M Mono with outdated LCD ... funny world old days photographers do care about lens metering and outcome IQ.

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jtcm
By jtcm (Jun 28, 2012)

At any screen resolution, even the Galaxy Note screen is just about a tiny 4R print size. HDMI or DNLA to a 50" TV is an option.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 28, 2012)

If the screen res is more important than the camera res then this isn't the device you want.

This product is aimed at photography buffs who by nature place more importance on the ability of the camera than the res of the display screen.

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teeoh717
By teeoh717 (Jun 28, 2012)

"funny world old days photographers do care about lens metering and outcome IQ."
As if I don't care about final image quality. I am exactly one of those photographers of which you speak. I had my fair share of days with the original flagship series DSLRs, with their tiny low resolutions screens That was 2001. This is 2012.

Instead of ripping into you for comparing a Nokia phone and a Leica M and its respective artistic MO, I'll just say this:

I have found myself in situations that have made the use of the viewfinder impossible. After updating to cameras with live view, I quickly realized the benefit of a high resolution screen. You'll have a glorious 41 megapixels of OOF mess if you can't accurately place your focus where you *think* it is and should be, especially if you don't even have an actual viewfinder.

Regardless, you cannot ignore the fact that 320x640 on a 4" screen is inexcusable for 2012. It's a touch phone. It has a screen. That is inherently its main function.

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aliquis
By aliquis (Jun 28, 2012)

At least it had the best contrast in sun light GSM arena had measured.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

its a true RGB (not pentile) CBD (clearblack like super) AMOLED display though

pixel density may not be great but its better/as good compared to Compact cameras

and the Clearblack display allows for viewing under direct sunlight so you can still make use of the viewfinder

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (Jun 27, 2012)

Yet another hype oriented product. Will people pay that much money for it? As P.T.Barnum put it: "There's a sucker born every minute"

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

I pre-ordered the 808 for $500 Canadian (sans shipping/taxes) it takes pictures than any compact except maybe the RX100 (we'll see i suppose) and i get a smartphone out of it

and if you looked at the reviews across the internet you'll realize its far from hype

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Doug Frost
By Doug Frost (Jun 27, 2012)

Why Nokia would put this cutting edge camera technology in a phone with a low-res screen that runs the Symbian OS is beyond me. This thing is a major FAIL right out of the gate.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Because Windows Phone 7 simply can't drive those custom chips. Probably Windows 8 with a somewhat dumbed-down architecture (Nokia is speaking of 20 Mpixel PV sensors in the upcoming WP8 VP phones).

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jun 28, 2012)

Doug Frost: They need to ship regardless of whether MS is ready, and they needed to make that decision a long time ago. In my opinion it was the right choice to stick to their own OS, to eliminate as many unknowns as they could, and get the product out the door.

As for the screen... well I guess they must have felt they needed to control costs. The camera hardware can't be cheap.

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epdm2be
By epdm2be (Jul 21, 2012)

@ Doug Frost: some really shortsighted comments you make.

Has it ever came to your attention that there is a reason why Nokia Symbian only uses nHD screens? Or why they used Symbian to release the pureview-system and not WP7.

I'l answer these for you.
WP7.x: can't handle larger than 16MPixel camera-modules (it should be able to handle 20Mpixels). The HTC Titan is currently the max. in that respect.
Symbian: is the only OS that Nokia can modify to handle this tech as fast as possible. They have to resort to Microsoft's development speed to get a WP7/8 device with this technology and that just takes time. And right now MSFT has other priorities then a niche high-tech camera-module.
Symbian is restricted to nHD resolution. That's why it's useless to provide bigger screens with the OS. 4" is the biggest you can get with nHD. To handle higher resolution Symbian needs a rewrite and this takes too long. That's why Nokia went to Microsoft as a replacement OS for high-end devs.

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Octane
By Octane (Jun 27, 2012)

I don't care about the actual photo, all I'm interested in is megapixel, low pass filters, diffraction limits, better OS, more memory, what brand my device is and these things. That's really what's important.

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Charles Laigo
By Charles Laigo (Jun 27, 2012)

Not that it really went away (only died down a bit), but is the megapixel race now back with a vengeance?

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Jun 27, 2012)

learn how this camera uses it's megapixels, pixel oversampling makes all pixels true RGB pixels at for eg an 8mp output

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Charles Laigo
By Charles Laigo (Jun 27, 2012)

Oh I do understand how oversampling works. But I think the "41 Megapixles = better" message might easily be co-opted by marketing departments to reboot the race.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Yup, sure they (other manufacturers) will (re)start the megapixel war.

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manakiin
By manakiin (Jun 27, 2012)

Megapixel war never ended so it can't restart.

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Dpreviewmember
By Dpreviewmember (Jun 27, 2012)

it has nothing to do with MP race, ok maybe it sounds like that for advertisement purposes, but the thing is it uses a large sensor and oversampling to reduce the noise by a lot. Something we see in CD players since the first ones

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jtcm
By jtcm (Jun 28, 2012)

MP war all starting again on the screen res side...

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manakiin
By manakiin (Jun 28, 2012)

Screen res war never ended so... Well... You know.

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aliquis
By aliquis (Jun 28, 2012)

But anyone who understand anything understand that it's the bigger sensor which is more important, not the number of pixels.

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BellsK
By BellsK (Jul 2, 2012)

If you think the Megapixels are nothing. Then who the hell actually produces the image?

Whether it's picture from a camera or an image on the screen, They are pixels indeed. More the pixels - more the quality, provided that they are used to produce a good image rather than just putting in more pixels but crap lens and sensors. just like on a screen more pixels won't be of any use if other display elements are of crap quality.

And no one here would deny the quality of Carl Zeiss optics in Nokia's camera phones.

And specific to this 41 megapixels, you need to read more about it. "The megapixels war is over" is just a a term to make you fool to not think about more pixels any more.

Well this phone never meant to stand with DSLRs but it would be good choice even among compact digital cameras as you will have an option to stay online with your network and share what you shoot on the go.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jun 27, 2012)

Hey, why not go the whole hog and sell all your DSLR equip and L class lenses and buy the 808!

I HATE the convergence between camera's and phones!

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Jun 27, 2012)

because you can't fit you're dslr and all that L glass in your pocket at all times, it's all about the moment

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"because you can't fit you're dslr and all that L glass in your pocket at all times, it's all about the moment"

And it's why high-end converged phones + cameras are that important for bleeding-edge geeks like me :)

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jun 28, 2012)

Sorry, but if you take photography seriously enough to have L class glass in your collection, then I don't think you're gonna be dumb enough to rely on a mobile phone camera ... however good it purports to be and non camera savvy people think it is! You'll do what I do and buy something like an S95/S100 or the new Sony RX100 (NEX or a 4/3rds)

Anyone who says this 808 can do better things than either of the above cameras needs to learn more about photography/camera technology and perhaps buy both and see!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 28, 2012)

Noone says the 808 is THE best and beats DSLR cameras. We "only" say that it's the best CONVERGED solution if you need a CONVERGED camera - a camera that's always with you. No more, no less.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jun 28, 2012)

Yes, it's the best converged camera; but I, like a lot of camera enthusiasts I know ALWAYS carry round a P&S (although I own an S95, I've still just purchase a canon HS115 as its even smaller so it really CAN be with me ALL the time. I have an iPhone 4S .... But even I know the 115HS will deliver better results ... Even than the 808!)

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fstops
By fstops (Jun 29, 2012)

I have a Nokia N95 (still) and on holidays takes amazing photos almost as good as my canon L lens. I know this sounds crazy, but IQ is amazing. Wish it could shoot RAW.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 29, 2012)

"I have an iPhone 4S .... But even I know the 115HS will deliver better results ... Even than the 808!"

The Canon 115HS better than the 808? Maybe when fully zoomed in or DR-wise. (It's still unknown how the 808 fares, DR-wise.) I'm absolutely sure the 808 will deliver far better resolution even in the corners, and probably even low-light performance, than the 115 HS, and that it has far better true video resolution / moire-lessness.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

the only thing the s95/100 has going for it is RAW mode :)

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herula
By herula (Jul 23, 2012)

"I have an iPhone 4S .... But even I know the 115HS will deliver better results ... Even than the 808!"

You have an iPhone (which is about 100€ more expensive than the 808) and still have to carry a P&S with you? After about 700 Pics I can say, the 808 is a good replacement for my Nikon P300 - in some cases even better than my Oly PEN.

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vv50
By vv50 (Jun 27, 2012)

1. does the 808 have a low-pass filter?
2. does the 808 have shutter priority mode?

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

The 808 has a fixed aperture to my understanding that negates the ability of a shutter priority mode? there are scene modes, and you can influence the shutter speed through the iso settings (50-1600) and turning the ND filter on/off (up to 2.7sec shutter speed)

as for lowpass filtering im not certain but i read a comment from "Timo Lehtinen" saying that Nokia didn't include lowpass filtering because they wanted a "natural sharpening" ??

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shademaster
By shademaster (Jun 27, 2012)

I don't understand why Samsung doesn't just slap an Android-based cell phone on the back of the EX2 and be done with it. It will certainly have wifi. Why not 3G/4G? I'd consider ditching my iPhone for that even though I'm partial to iOS.

I guess Sony could have done the same thing with the RX100. Why not? How much more space needed for the cellular radio/speaker/microphone stuff? How much more $$$?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 27, 2012)

What I want to know is (a) Can I get it without the phone (so annoying) and how does the image quality compare with a contact print from an 8x10 Linhof and a Red Dot Artar.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (Jun 28, 2012)

You can probably use it without a phone plan. Then it will just be a camera that runs apps. I almost never use my smartphone as an actual phone, or camera, either. But it makes a nifty pocket computer with Web access via Wi-Fi. Nokia could sell me the same, but with a much better camera. I don't buy that a Windows 7 phone couldn't be made with this sensor, given adequate engineering resources, which Nokia may not have right now. If they use lower res sensors in their Windows phones it will be to keep them affordable. A better camera is a marketable feature, but few people will pay hundreds more for one (some dpr readers excepted.) Uber geeks, yes, but not the Facebook junkies they need to sell to, the same people who would never buy a Symbian phone, but might possibly buy a Windows one (still to be seen.)

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Jun 27, 2012)

So its sensor is bigger than my Oly XZ-1 !!! and costing more 200 euros. It carries a media player and all the ingridient you can share without any cable. !!!

I wonder does it really taking good fotos....really ?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"I wonder does it really taking good fotos....really ?"

Check out the existing reviews - there are plenty, GSMArena, PhoneArna and Cnet Asia (vs. the LX5 in low-light) being the best.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

check out the flikr group of people who already have the 808
http://www.flickr.com/groups/808pureview/ (might want to check out the earlier photos)

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mugupo
By mugupo (Jun 27, 2012)

I think this camera is great for me, so i can do snap shot of those violated motorist this camera high pixel plus shutter button can capture the shot that other phone would had miss.

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Roger Knight
By Roger Knight (Jun 27, 2012)

I have read a lot of these posts and I think some of the posters have no idea what the latest Nokia Symbian belle system is like.
If you imagine the best if Symbian, the best of Android and the best of iPhone and combine them together you have Nokia Symbian Belle. It is no longer clunky or difficult to use or learn.
The addition of this new pureview camera technology would have to make the Nokia 808 a superb all round smartphone and travel camera, especially considering that the actual printed output even up to size A3 will match if not beat most cameras today including some SLR's. Consider that the lens opens at f2 right throughout it's entire zoom range which is greater than most serious SLR and 4/3 kit lenses and you can see just how serious this new low light technology is.
I await the review of the photographic aspects of the Nokia 808 with intense interest because I can only imagine just how extra good a Windows Phone 8 Nokia will be with a Carl Zeiss PureView camera included.

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MikeNeufeld30
By MikeNeufeld30 (Jun 27, 2012)

that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. Symbian is still the same. Its buggy, slow and choppy. It really misses the mark no doubt about it.

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Alexey Petukhov
By Alexey Petukhov (Jun 27, 2012)

relax man, you don't know what are you talking about
Symbian much faster and much stable than java-based android

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (Jun 27, 2012)

Talking about this phone camera somehow approaching in image quality SLR is beyond ridiculous. The best one would expect if in a very good light that tiny sensor and and that small lens produce passable 4x6 prints. It will never have the same image quality, namely DR, SNR, tonal range, or resolution of any modern DSLR. The amount of light that sensor receives from f/2 lens is minuscule compared to even the slowest DSLR lens, the image quality will be only tolerable in good light, and of course, the real resolution will never be near 41MP.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"I can only imagine just how extra good a Windows Phone 8 Nokia will be with a Carl Zeiss PureView camera included."

It surely will be nice. I just don't think Nokia (+Microsoft) will be able to come up with a decent one in the next, say, 12 months. After all, it's WP7's inability to handle such a large and fast data streams & custom chips that Nokia had to stick to Symbian in this phone.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 28, 2012)

@forpetessake.

If people really cared about DR. SNR and tonal range then Canon APS-C DSLR's would never sell.

And you really should look at some of the comparos that are around. You can see crops next to a FF, m4/3 and an iphone and make an informed judgement if the results are good enough for the trade off in convenience..

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Roger Knight
By Roger Knight (Jun 28, 2012)

Forget what you already know about phones and forget what you already know about cameras. This technology will knock your present knowledge for six. It's a pity that it may well never see the light of day in a dedicated camera, but then the likelyhood is that you will never need a dedicated camera again with one of these babies. I am already dreaming of the technology's capabilities in five years time, it is so very exciting to see something get to market in it's early development that is so mind blowingly good and different to what we have known for over 100 years. It's brilliant npw and it's future is even more brilliant.

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Pixel Peter
By Pixel Peter (Jun 27, 2012)

There are allready hundreds and hundreds impressive pictures on the internet made by the Nokia 808. This is a serious camera in it's domain and it deserves a full review here at dp.review. I am confident dp.review will do so.

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monkpilots
By monkpilots (Jun 27, 2012)

it's a camera with a telephone on it.

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Jun 27, 2012)

Well people buy smart phones to avoid carrying:

-Phone
-media palyers (mp3/4 etc)
-camera
-adress book

But, when you lost then say bye to all these at one time :D I prefer to carry my adress book & media device on my phone. But camera must be something else in my hand. Even if it would be a P&S camera...

...until Nokia brings this to market !!!!!

ps: surely if this phone´s bill is like = 2 x (phone price + P&S cam) then it would be another story...

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Simon97
By Simon97 (Jun 27, 2012)

I would like to see this "pixel oversampling" technology in an actual point & shoot camera using a real zoom lens. Gone would be the days of the "Bayer softness" when viewing images zoomed in (or close cropped). No need for sharpening and the ugly halos it can produce. Noise reduction, while still necessary at higher ISOs may not be as intrusive since pixel binning would reduce the noise.

Today's P&S cameras make truly awful images, especially the 14 and 16MP ones. The larger sensor compacts, like the 1/1.7 sensored ones are better, but not quite there for me.

Kind of funny seeing this appear in a phone first. Camera makers are asleep at the wheel.

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stylinred
By stylinred (Jun 30, 2012)

well the first camera to have "oversampling" is the phase one 65+ it does 2x2 pixels the 808 does 7pixels? ish (depending on the resolution)

and Sonys NEX cameras are going to have it next year or something liek that

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 30, 2012)

"and Sonys NEX cameras are going to have it next year or something liek that"

Yup, hopefully Sony does come out with something like this. In the successor of the RX100, probably.

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jun 27, 2012)

I wonder how the 808 responds to stray light. I have an N8, and it takes fine pictures, except for when there is a strong light source shining on the front of the camera. The effect is much worse than the three IXUS cameras I have had. I was completely surprised by how bad the effect was when I first got the N8.

(Just to make it clear that this isn't a totally naive question, I should say that I also have a DSLR with a prime and proper lens hood, which obviously gives the best result.)

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jimjim2111
By jimjim2111 (Jun 27, 2012)

My nokia 5800 has same thing, but it can look BRILLIANT, the light rainbowing across the shot, like in Easy Rider! Perhaps you could rustle up a lens hood from part of a Smarties tube or similar?

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jtcm
By jtcm (Jun 28, 2012)

The samples seem to show that the same lens flare from the N8 is still there on the 808. If only they had gone with Nikon Nano coat instead...

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Anonymous Gerbil
By Anonymous Gerbil (Jun 28, 2012)

jimjim: I think I could make one out of a toilet paper roll. Hmmm...

jtcm: They are asking a lot of money for the 808 if its going to flare like the N8. I don't know if its normal, but my N8 often enough just washes out the picture if I point it the wrong way, it totally ruins the picture.

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australopithecus
By australopithecus (Jun 27, 2012)

Bye bye Apple ! and Point & shoots.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Jun 27, 2012)

Right, Nokia is going to sell 350,000 a day just like the iPhone. Get a clue, does it have 35- 42x optical zoom like P&S ? If Nokia made a Pureview camera that would be great but this is a smartphone and Nokia is dead meat in that business.
https://vimeo.com/15887185
https://vimeo.com/16040013
https://vimeo.com/15750099

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Alexey Petukhov
By Alexey Petukhov (Jun 27, 2012)

CA this is reason why i don't want to user superzoom cameras and lens,

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"CA this is reason why i don't want to user superzoom cameras and lens,"

Not only CA... they're dog slow even at the wide end. Show me a compact superzoom brighter than f3.3 when wide open...

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (Jun 28, 2012)

The panasonic fz20 is a 12x F2.8 constant zoom...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 30, 2012)

"

The panasonic fz20 is a 12x F2.8 constant zoom...
"

Is it a COMPACT superzoom (I spoke of COMPACT ones - not to be mistaken for traditional superzooms)? Weighing 556 g (1.23 lb / 19.61 oz) and with the size 87 x 128 x 106 mm (3.43 x 5.04 x 4.17") ? :) BTW, its sensor is 1/2.5" only and - of course - delivers orders of magnitude worse-detailed images than the 808.

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iudex
By iudex (Jun 27, 2012)

Maybe it would be useful to draw the sensor size of this Nokia in comparison to other usual p&s sensor sizes.

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zoranT
By zoranT (Jun 27, 2012)

has been posted in the phone camera forum, it is a nuance smaller than the Nikon J1 or the RX100 sensor and ca. 4 x times bigger than usual compact cam sensors

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Les Kamens
By Les Kamens (Jun 27, 2012)

I am really liking the fact that mobile devices and cameras are becoming one. to be able to take an image and send it to the cloud, friend, facebook, or where ever is a huge leap in our industry. Can't wait for the DSLR's to work it into the build. Not the hoopty setup offered today at an extra cost of $700. US (nikon) that gets you all the way to your computer a few feet away.

Would love nothing more than to have a camera sending images to the cloud so that an editor in on city can watch the progression on images being shot in another city.

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Randello
By Randello (Jun 27, 2012)

WARNING! If Nokia haven't changed their business ethos and quality control, this product is certain to be plagued with many major software bugs and design flaws. Nokia release products before they are ready and without doing any software (and hardware) testing of prototypes. They rely on us to do it for them! How for example could a company as big as Nokia make such a mistake as to release the N97 phone that most of the time couldn't make or receive calls, not to mention many other major software bugs? This is the reason for their massive decline and the once market leader. In 2010 Nokia officially apologized for the amount of customers who have experienced issues with the N97 and the buggy software. This led to a large amount of potential customers choosing brands other than Nokia during this time period. And, Yes I was one of those people.

I made the decision then, and I still feel the same now, I WILL NEVER EVER TOUCH ANYTHING MADE BY NOKIA AGAIN.

You have been warned!

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jun 27, 2012)

"As a result, its share price has fallen from a high of US$40 in 2007 to under US$3 in 2012" Source: Wikipedia

The blue screen of death for Nokia was when they partnered with Microsoft after this...

.

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Turnip Chops
By Turnip Chops (Jun 27, 2012)

Agree totally, bought a Lumia 800 this year after having an iPhone, and it was totally crap. Three firmware updates later and it's still hopeless. I would never touch Nokia again, not even with a 25ft bargepole. Digital detritus in my opinion....good luck to anyone who opts for this disaster waiting to happen!

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MisterNo
By MisterNo (Jun 27, 2012)

You are terribly wrong!!!! Nokia has almost never released products before they are ready! HTC and Samsung are the ones that are doing that especially first generation of HTC smartphones. If you ever owned such phone like HTC Wing you'll know what I'm taking about.
I had Nokia smartphones and they are everything else but not with design flaws and bugs. I currently own Samsung Exhibit that is piece of crap and shouldn't be ever released as non-finished product. Nokia doesn't have phone that is on the hardware side good as others like Androids and iPhone. They are obsolete with their capabilities and that is the reason I won't buy Nokia again, but their phones work nicely with their hardware limitations in comparison to the others.

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Behzad_T
By Behzad_T (Jun 27, 2012)

Nokia 808 Pureview is based on Nokia's own operating system technology symbian & not MS windows phone.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"You are terribly wrong!!!! Nokia has almost never released products before they are ready! "

Wrong, the N97 and the N97 Mini were indeed terrible upon release. Those phones (along with the lackluster N96) were the main drivers of Nokia's going downhill. I'd say the N95 was Nokia's best, last all-around, mainstream phone. (The N8 wasn't that much better than other phones of the time.)

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epdm2be
By epdm2be (Jul 21, 2012)

"They are obsolete with their capabilities and that is the reason I won't buy Nokia again, but their phones work nicely with their hardware limitations in comparison to the others."

Eh? Nokia Belle FP1 has MORE capabilities than WP7, iOS and Android combined. Some examples:
- FULL bluetooth file transfer/syncing
- they have build-in native FULL 2-way call recording
- USB o/t GO,
- both internal and external storage (when installing an app, it nicely asks whether you want SD, phone or internal storage). On Android 4.1 SD copying is prohibited (again)! Unless your phone has only SD-storage. So you can only use that 32GB SD-card in that "fantastic" SGS 3 for music and videos but not to store apps.
- you can remove homescreens that you don't need.
- local USB syncing with outlook (not everyone is allowed to use clouds)
- full multitasking with onboard visual taskmanager.

Again, as been said before, current Symbian is nothing like N95/N97 Symbian.

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zoranT
By zoranT (Jun 27, 2012)

This phone/camera creates better images than most other compact cameras in the market, and it includes even some manual controls for both stills and video. It is a serious imaging tool, despite being a "mobile phone". The only weak spot (apart from OS) in terms of imaging I see is bad IS in video and stuttering video footage when panning. This alone and the high price keep me from purchasing it – but not the prejudice about what a mobile phone or camera is supposed to look like or feel like or be like.

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Matt_Anderson
By Matt_Anderson (Jun 27, 2012)

More importantly, does it have a direct print button ?

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bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Jun 27, 2012)

What's the point of having a smart phone if you don't have access to a large application library? I feel like it would be an extremely frustrating experience moving over from the Apple platform onto one so limited. Want it, but could never live with it.

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harold1968
By harold1968 (Jun 27, 2012)

except that most people don't use any apps, except the inbuilt ones.
I do agree though, this would be a surefire hit if it was WP7

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"What's the point of having a smart phone if you don't have access to a large application library? I feel like it would be an extremely frustrating experience moving over from the Apple platform onto one so limited. Want it, but could never live with it."

Get an iPad 3 along with the 808 - the best of the two worlds.

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ccarrera42
By ccarrera42 (Jun 27, 2012)

I'm with Bradley on this one, the lack of serious app support for the Symbian OS will probably be the death of this phone. And don't just think photography apps, it's all apps you'd normally make use of.

harold1968, you just have to look at the number of people throwing photos onto the net using instagram to know that most people aren't using the build in camera app.

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epdm2be
By epdm2be (Jul 21, 2012)

@ccarrara42 what do mean by
"it's all apps you'd normally make use of"

I thought the apps you "normally" use on a smartphone are foremost the PHONE app, addressbook, agenda, sms/mms & email, camera app, mp3-player, webbrowser(maybe) and calculator.

Games, fart-apps and front-end-apps for web-content (e.g. The NYTimes app or The Register app) are not IMHO essentiall apps that you USE NORMALLY!

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Jun 27, 2012)

This is really exciting news.

I can't wait until Dpreview starts covering ATM security cameras, car back up cameras, and endoscopes too.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

And let's not forget CCTV cameras :)

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jun 27, 2012)

Even if it's made by Olympus, i guess dpreview prefer testing OM-D rather than this camera http://www.olympusamerica.com/presspass/press_pass_cut/images/endocapsule_lg.jpg :)

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JazzMasta
By JazzMasta (Jun 27, 2012)

"I can't wait until Dpreview starts covering ATM security cameras, car back up cameras, and endoscopes too."

Oh my, the bitterness. I guess you would like dpreview to cover only pinhole cameras pre 1900.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Oh my, the bitterness. I guess you would like dpreview to cover only pinhole cameras pre 1900."

Lolz. Indeed some people just can't accept technology moves on and today even some smartphones can rival not only P&S cameras but also even m43 ones, as long as you stick with the kit lens (or anything non-superwide/non-superzoom) on the latter.

6 upvotes
Mafoo
By Mafoo (Jun 27, 2012)

Bookmarked, so when Marty in 6 years raves about pixel binning on his 400 megapixel Nikon/Canon, I can refer him back to this post ;)

6 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Jun 27, 2012)

Well Mafoo... you may be right. I have been wrong before.

I don't dispute that some of these cameraphones can take decent photos, just whether "anything that can capture an image" should be covered here.

I understand the business need to make this site as broad as possible... to attract more users. After all, cell phone makers are always anxious to advertise their products.

But, with so many traditional cameras going un-reviewed, getting reviewed after long delays or lenses not being reviewed at all, I just wonder if it is a good decision to devote any effort on these other devices.

However, as you said, I might be eating my own words someday.

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mzillch
By mzillch (Jun 27, 2012)

This site has covered point and shoots from day one, and this Nokia product has some potential crossover appeal to people who carry/use point and shoots, so it is not unreasonable for DPR to investigate it and publish samples.

1 upvote
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Jun 27, 2012)

Does it have a Nikon F mount?

1 upvote
tompabes2
By tompabes2 (Jun 27, 2012)

Guys, before criticizing you should read something about the pureview and see some real-world shots.
The output is 8mp, not 42, because it uses pixel-binning to produce a 8mp output. You can also have the 42 mp output, but of course the majority of users will be fine with 8mp.
The 8mp images that you can obtain are waaaay better than current 8/12 mp images from other mobile phones, and are better also when compared to 90% of compact cameras.
That said, the price is too high, the OS (Symbian) is obsolete and I'd rather get an enthusiast camera like Oly xz-1 or similar for less money, but the truth remains that the output from the 808 is simply great.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Exactly.

1 upvote
mugupo
By mugupo (Jun 27, 2012)

808 is design for those able to get the shot that they usually can't with the crappy phone camera.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Jun 27, 2012)

Now if only I could get a hack saw and slice off the camera bit and glue it on my current phone...

The Nokia phone interface (not the camera) deserves to be relegated into the bottomless dust bin of history... (nice camera, bloody crap interface)

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2 upvotes
Behzad_T
By Behzad_T (Jun 29, 2012)

Well then you should buy the crappy phones that you love so much & over load it with the applications that you never use & glue it to your SLR :)

0 upvotes
epdm2be
By epdm2be (Jul 21, 2012)

Not until that stupid android, WP or iOS phone can record phonecalls like my ancient Sony-Ericsson K750i can! I already got the USb-syncing covered on Android but call-recording is an essentiall requirement now that every frecking country in the world bans phone-usage while driving! BTW, yeah why don;t DPreview cover more cams. Like webcams for instance?

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Here's the viewpoint of a die-hard "real camera" user on this cell phone:
Nokia did a great job. The technology employed is very clever, and it will please those seeking for the best image quality possible out of a cell phone. There's absolutely nothing wrong with people just wanting to enjoy their lives and capture a significant moment. Actually it's a lot less fussy than using an enthusiast camera, which might not be on hand all the time - contrarily to a cell phone.
There are drawbacks, though. You will be confined to one lens and have no advanced exposure modes or metering options. You can't make long exposures unless you use a rather clunky (and expensive) tripod arrangement. Which will all be OK for casual photography, but this is no substitute for a good, dedicated camera in terms of IQ. Besides, it will last you two years at best.
Yet I can see many amateurs buying it just for the convenience on offer. In this way it betters all but the best enthusiast point and shoots.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Besides, it will last you two years at best. "

Do you mean it'll fall apart, or, some other and much better model comes out? Both are highly unlikely:

1, Nokia's handsets have always been very sturdy and virtually indestructible (at least compared to iPhones, Samsung Galaxies and other popular smartphones). I've dropped my N95 several times and it's been in my pocket as my main phone since late 2007. (I don't use my iPhones and my other smartphones for phoning and my iPad 3 fully fullfills my Web browsing, gaming, reading etc. needs) Not even the battery needed to be changed.

2, I don't think Apple, Samsung et al. will be able to come up with anything remotely powerful in the next two years, camera-wise. Take a look at for example the SGS3. The same (cr@ppy) sensor as in the SGS2. Samsung doesn't seem to be able to put a decent sensor in their handsets.

All in all, I do think the 808 will serve me for at least as long as my trusty N95.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Addendum to bullet 2: all in all, it's Nokia that can come out with an even better camera phone. But it won't be done in 2012 for sure (I don't think anything PV-based will be released this year) and I seriously doubt any PV-based WP8 phone released next year could match the IQ of this phone. Nokia themselves speak of only including a sensor of around 20 Mpixels in their WP8 phones. That is, the 808 won't be dethroned in the next 1.5-2 years by Nokia's other handsets for sure.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Just because you had to add your two cents... right, Menneisyys?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Just because you had to add your two cents... right, Menneisyys?"

Well, I've found your statement "Besides, it will last you two years at best. ", at least, questionable - as I've also explained above. Nevertheless, you're free to explain why you think the 808 will break on us / we'll switch to another model after two years.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 27, 2012)

You're kidding. They make tripods for phones? Or is it a button you press and little legs come out (while it's playing music and uploading your personal information to Facebook).

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"You're kidding. They make tripods for phones? Or is it a button you press and little legs come out (while it's playing music and uploading your personal information to Facebook)."

Nokia have the tripod adapter (Nokia HH-23) for the 808.

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epdm2be
By epdm2be (Jul 21, 2012)

@ By Menneisyys
Samsung uses the same Sony sensor as the iPhone 4S (which is better than the one from the SGSII). And has bolted better software optimalisations on it. Which means that the SGSIII will shoot BETTER pics than both the SGSII and iPhone 4s with the same/similar 8MPixel-sensor.

Come on DPreview. Test those smartphone cams, puleeze? I would LOVE to see the SGSIII, HTC One X, Sony Xperia S and pureview modules being tested properly. Do it objectively without favoring one over the other. Just the facts! Because let's be honnest, after the Nokia N8 with it's fantastic 12Mpixel and Samsung with its pixion-phone we're getting fantastic imaging capabilities in our phones.

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (Jun 27, 2012)

What? Only 41 MP?

Bah, I NEED at least 150 on my mobile phone.

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rmbackus
By rmbackus (Jun 27, 2012)

I say: 200 !

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