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Nokia 808 Pureview 1/1.2", 41MP sensor smartphone coming soon to UK and US

By dpreview staff on Jun 26, 2012 at 23:30 GMT

Nokia's 808 Pureview, the smartphone built around a 1/1.2" 41MP sensor can now be pre-ordered from Amazon in both the UK and US. This is despite Nokia originally saying it would not be launched in the US. In both instances the phone will be available unlocked and without a contract. As a result, the cost isn't subsidized by a carrier, meaning the handset will set you back £499 or $699 in the US (where it can be used on the AT&T or T-Mobile networks). Amazon says the phone will ship from the June 30th in the UK and July 8th in the US. We've had a brief chance to use the large-sensor smartphone and will be posting a report in the coming weeks, once we have a chance to shoot a samples gallery.


Nokia Press Release:

Pure quality: The Nokia 808 PureView hits the shelves at Amazon UK

London, 26 June 2012 - Nokia is delighted to announce that the incredible Nokia 808 PureView is now available to pre-order from Amazon and will be shipping at the end of June. The Nokia 808 PureView boasts an impressive 41 megapixel sensor and Carl Zeiss optics and is the first smartphone to feature Nokia's award-winning PureView technology, which represents not only Nokia’s but the industry’s highest level smartphone imaging experience.

The Nokia 808 PureView brings together high-performance sensors, exclusive Carl Zeiss optics and Nokia design to provide users with a truly outstanding camera phone experience.

Since it was announced in February, the Nokia 808 PureView has received multiple awards, including Best Mobile Device at Mobile World Congress 2012, as well as an award for Best Imaging Innovation for 2012 from the Technical Image Press Association (TIPA).

"PureView has completely raised the bar on imaging performance for the whole smartphone industry - and Nokia is not stopping here," said Jo Harlow, Head of Smart Devices at Nokia. "We're going to carry on developing PureView for our future smartphones in ways that will again revolutionise the imaging experience."

The Nokia 808 PureView features a large, high-resolution 41 megapixel sensor with high-performance Carl Zeiss optics and new pixel oversampling technology. At standard resolutions (2/3, 5 and 8 megapixels) this means the ability to zoom without loss of clarity and capture seven pixels of information, condensing into one pixel for the sharpest images imaginable.

At high-resolution the Nokia 808 has the ability to capture an image, then zoom, reframe, crop and resize afterwards to expose previously unseen levels of detail. With superior low-light performance and the ability to save in compact file sizes for sharing in email, MMS, and on social networks, the Nokia 808 PureView makes it possible for anyone to capture professional looking images in any conditions.

In addition to superior still imaging technology, the Nokia 808 PureView also includes full HD 1080p video recording and playback with 4X lossless zoom and the world's first use of Nokia Rich Recording.  Rich Recording enables audio recording at CD-like levels of quality, previously only possible with external microphones.

The Nokia 808 PureView also features exclusive Dolby Headphone technology, transforming stereo content into a personal surround sound experience over any headphones and Dolby Digital Plus for 5.1 channel surround sound playback.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (Jun 27, 2012)

Sure, because photography is all about megapixels. I can see photographers in their thousands dropping their Leafs and Hassies running towards these phones, that can make even the worst photographer in the world a great one, by allowing to reframe, crop....essential go out and kill the "moment" in photography....

I propose a real test, drop Nick Jojola with this one out of a plane but with a brick tied around his neck and lets see if he still captures "the perfect moment...on a phone".... Ok it's not a test... :D

PS: Have you noticed that everytime they say his name in that silly phone photography shoot in mid air it sounds like Nick Cajones? :D

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

You, it seems, haven't done your homework either - checking out the already-existing camera tests on other sites (GSMArena, Engadget, Verge, PhoneArena, Cnet Asia, just to name a few).

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (Jun 27, 2012)

Me? I am not interested in this kind of homework, who cares if a phone has 41MP? We should all know by now, megapixels is not everything. In fact, I did see the first samples posted a few months ago in this site, impressive enough FOR A PHONE.

But tell me. Do those tests show the despair in photographers eyes and features interviews of photographers who are dropping their camera systems for this toy?
Nick Jojola must be having a wet dream then. :D
Now if a DSLR had a built-in phone, then I could look into that. If not at least to pi$$ the cr@p out of some models or clients by picking up calls mid shoot :D

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lxstorm
By lxstorm (Jun 27, 2012)

Do you own Hassy ? I do BTW.

Honestly old days I was blown away by an IQ of 50$ fix-focal P&S from Oly or 200$ fix focal P&S from Yashica. These cameras were not on a par with a Hassy completely but there IQ taking into account the price tags was absolutely stunning for an amateur.

Why there is no simple inexpensive fix-focal digital instrument similar to Yashica T4Super from film days (except aukward sensor-ed Sigma DP)?

Nokia is _GOOD_ because the company is not making money on SLR stuff so can just easily deliver a decent fix focal P&S with cell phone capabilities as bonus.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"But tell me. Do those tests show the despair in photographers eyes and features interviews of photographers who are dropping their camera systems for this toy?
Nick Jojola must be having a wet dream then. :D
Now if a DSLR had a built-in phone, then I could look into that. If not at least to pi$$ the cr@p out of some models or clients by picking up calls mid shoot :D"

Come on... the 808 (as are ALL converged devices) is all about convergence - the ability to have a camera always in your pocket. Of course it won't beat a DSLR, let alone a medium-format camera. For a converged, always-with-you, camera phone, however, it works very-very good - actually, even better than even the non-RX100 high-end P&S cameras. (There still aren't direct comparisons to the RX100.) This is why a lot of gadget freaks are purchasing this phone - to always have the best possible CONVERGED camera with us.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (Jun 27, 2012)

Well, after talking to family and/or friends and/or clients for 1h, my converged camera has not enough battery to take a handfull of shots when I actually need it to. If it's in the night or indoors and I need the flash...I'm dead in the water. Convergence is not always a good thing!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Well, after talking to family and/or friends and/or clients for 1h, my converged camera has not enough battery to take a handfull of shots when I actually need it to."

1, you can purchase additional batteries - they're pretty small.

2, battery life reports have been favoring: 5-6 hours talking time or hundreds of still shots (without flash) or about two days of uptime with moderated usage with one charge.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

I get around 4 days of light use per battery charge from the N8. I've only had the 808 for two days now but it's still at 70% capacity which suggests it's be at least as good as the N8.

I guess thats the advantage of having a smaller screen and single core CPU.

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lxstorm
By lxstorm (Jun 27, 2012)

>Well, after talking to family and/or friends and/or clients for 1h, my converged camera has not enough battery to take a handfull of shots when I actually need it to.

You would be safer with a film manual controlled Leica M then.
because any digital camera depends on a battery :)

But what is more curios some very special rare occasions were captured not by a pro reporters with pro gear but by a tourist with fancy cheapest stuff instead ;)

That is why cell phone in a pocket might be much more fruitful instrument than a Hassy in a closet.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"

I get around 4 days of light use per battery charge from the N8. I've only had the 808 for two days now but it's still at 70% capacity which suggests it's be at least as good as the N8.

I guess thats the advantage of having a smaller screen and single core CPU."

Yup... and also add that Nokia's engineers have always paid special attention to keeping power consumption down. Heck, even Symbian is such a PIA to program for because virtually everything needs to be subordinated to only one thing: battery life.

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tranced
By tranced (Jun 27, 2012)

lxstorm: because film is a consistent "sensor" across bodies, not to mention full frame. the closest thing for digital at this point is most likely m4/3 or aps-c - ala sony nex, oly ep, pana gf/gx.

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nemark
By nemark (Jun 27, 2012)

And, who needs one?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

People that love converged devices and hate carrying a separate phone and camera all the time?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 27, 2012)

People who want a camera that has a monthly usage fee.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"People who want a camera that has a monthly usage fee."

You can just switch off the 3G radio on that thing - the camera / Wi-Fi etc. work just fine with the micro SIM card removed.

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rmbackus
By rmbackus (Jun 27, 2012)

What is the size of 1/1.2" ?

...or is 't the same as x^2 * SQR 1.2/1 * 1/y ?? ;-)

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 27, 2012)

Sensor diagonal is one inch divided by 1.2 = 0,833" or 21mm. For legacy reasons this funny measurement system is used, inherited from video cameras...

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Nigel Wilkins
By Nigel Wilkins (Jun 27, 2012)

Sorry Petka, but that's just common sense, rather than the actual reality...see http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Camera_System/sensor_sizes_01.htm

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mzillch
By mzillch (Jun 27, 2012)

"This designation has clearly stuck (although it should have been thrown out long ago)." - DPREVIEW at Nigel Wilkins' link

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rmbackus
By rmbackus (Jun 27, 2012)

That's the point !
No confusing 'funny measurement system' but 4.8 x 6.4 mm.
Can't find the 21 mm diagonal, I believe only 8 mm...

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 27, 2012)

It's about 10.8 x 7.2mm (13mm diagonal) in this instance. And yes, the name system is deeply unhelpful.

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 27, 2012)

Live and learn...

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rmbackus
By rmbackus (Jun 29, 2012)

That's even more confusing!
The regular sensor format says 1/1.2" = 4.8 x 6.4 mm (8mm diagonal), only the Nokia 808 handles a different system: 1/1.2" (Nokia) = 8.00 x 10.67 mm (13.33 mm diagonal).
Has the 808 and on-board computer ?

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Jun 27, 2012)

Why would a site that purports to be about photography give a phone company a free ad?

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Because it takes photos.
That said I find this blurb to be out of place here, too.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Probably because it takes excellent shots and has much better resolution than any other P&S camera out there - and even beats high-end P&S cameras like the LX5 in low-light tests like that of Cnet Asia?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"That said I find this blurb to be out of place here, too."

Well, then, "blurbs" of low(er)-end, non-enthusiast P&S camera news are far more out of place.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Why, Menneisyys?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Why, Menneisyys?"

Because their (low(er)-end P&S cameras) IQ is much-much worse than that of the 808.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Unlike cell phones, point and shoots - even at the lower end - are dedicated photographing devices. They're more in place here than cell phones.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Unlike cell phones, point and shoots - even at the lower end - are dedicated photographing devices. They're more in place here than cell phones."

DPReview is a well-respected photog / gadget freak site. A lot of us gadget freaks visit it because would like to be able to compare the latest-and-greatest gadgets like the 808 (or the RX100) to other, established cameras in as controlled tests and environments as possible. Therefore, I do think the 808 (both news and, hopefully, the hinted-on test), which is more a camera than a phone, belong to DPReview.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

No, DPR is NOT a gadget freak site.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"No, DPR is NOT a gadget freak site."

You mean DPReview, no matter how good IQ they have, shouldn't publish any cameraphone news because they're typical geek / gadget freak toys, but should still publish news on low-IQ P&S cameras because they're "cameras"?

Don't you think this is a bit on the elitist side?

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

That's just what was missing here: smart phone fans are good, noble, humble, open-minded and open-hearted people, and photographers are bigoted, pretentious, narrow-minded and elitist geeks who live in the past, right? Gimme a break!
Look, surely there are plenty of cell phone websites around waiting for your valuable contribution; this is a photography website. Why are you spending such a lot of time trolling every comment that has even the slightest resemblance of a criticism of this mobile phone? Your understanding of "progress" may not coincide with other people's, you know. Fortunately not everybody is obliged to like the same stuff and share the same ideas. You have to accept the fact that some people need more than a cell phone - no matter how big its sensor is - to fulfill their creative and artistic needs. It may sound funny to you, but actually some people think of photography as an art.
...And my previous two Nokias broke down after two years.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Why are you spending such a lot of time trolling every comment that has even the slightest resemblance of a criticism of this mobile phone? "

LOLZ! It's you that are trolling by stating "facts" like "Besides, it [the 808] will last you two years at best. " You had the chance to explainyour statement, but you didn't.

"You have to accept the fact that some people need more than a cell phone - no matter how big its sensor is - to fulfill their creative and artistic needs. It may sound funny to you, but actually some people think of photography as an art."

1, you can do artictic photos with gear that isn't really flexible. Should I list the great shots made by P&S cameras?

2, why do you want DPReview to stop publishing phone camera info? If you don't like these pieces of news, just skip them. You should accept the fact that a LOT of DPReview guests are P&S shooters (non-pros) wanting to have the best cameraphone / P&S camera in their pockets and this is why they come here.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

As I wrote before: "Gimme a break"!

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 27, 2012)

Ultimately, this phone has a larger sensor than most compacts (including enthusiast compact models), which is usually a positive indicator of image quality. It also does interesting things in terms of using a high pixel count to give what should be high quality 8MP images, which could be an approach we see in future cameras.

Ultimately, if it couldn't make phone calls, then I don't think you'd question why we've covered a large sensor, app-capable compact with an F2.4 28mm equiv lens. At which point, it's worth covering.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"As I wrote before: "Gimme a break"!"

Is that all you can think of as an "answer"? :)

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

You know, Menneisyys, after seeing the photographs at your gallery I got so bewildered I just didn't know what to say... you're such a brilliant photographer! Congrats! How could I argue with the new Ansel Adams?
...But at least you have mastered the cut and paste technique. Not bad.
R Butler: I do understand this technology has intrigued DPR, but I'm sure you won't take the 808 as your reference camera!

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wlad
By wlad (Jun 27, 2012)

carefull with the comments - Nokia has beaten a micro 4/3 camera in a blind test:

http://www.gsmarena.com/pureview_blind_test-review-773p3.php

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

And not only in GSMArena's test, also in taht of PhoneArena. Here're my conclusions and links: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1046&message=41881533

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JWest
By JWest (Jun 27, 2012)

That's a pretty interesting test. Doing the test blind, I picked out the Olympus PEN E-PL2 as the best shot, the Nokia 808 second and the iPhone third. There was surprisingly little between them though.

It's saddening that the Android phones were so clearly the worst of the bunch, as that would be my OS of choice for a camera phone.

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Jun 27, 2012)

Yeah, right..
Check out on low light test at the same GSMarena.
808 at iso 400 or 800 is unusable. While m4/3 looks no problem at all.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775p4.php

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zorgon
By zorgon (Jun 27, 2012)

Interesting comparison.

IMO, the white balance of the oly is a little too warm in this particular situation and I have a feeling that this is why more people have chosen the Nokia instead.
To my eyes, the oly is a little smoother looking.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jun 27, 2012)

Thanks for the link. It just shows what I was expecting about the phones low light capability vs. larger sensors. Combine high ISO with digital zoom and the quality will get even lower. Changing a fast tele lens for E-PL2 is not be a problem.

Anyways Nokia 808 has the best camera for smart phones. But gadget fan boys should not get disillusioned about its features vs. real cameras.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jun 27, 2012)

The default JPG engine for Olympus will smear out much of the fine micro contrast detail. That's one reason why these tests performed by amateurs are so not good.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (Jun 27, 2012)

Right. Now do the same test using aperture priority mode, or manual exposure mode. When you concluded that it is unfeasible because the cell phone doesn't have that choice, try mounting a wide-angle lens on all cameras blind-tested (you may have to open your eyes...). No? Shame... How about mounting it on a tripod and doing long exposures? Clueless? Thought so... Not to mention that your precious, big sensor, 41 MP phone will last you two full years of your life.

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magneto shot
By magneto shot (Jun 27, 2012)

i am one of those who saw this test and guessed correctly. but i think gsmarena made a BIG blunder. Most readers are guessing which is 808 by simply choosing the image that is the 2nd best. They are not choosing 808 as the best.
I got my answers simply looking at which was the 2nd best since i know the oly 4/3 would trash it.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"i am one of those who saw this test and guessed correctly. but i think gsmarena made a BIG blunder. Most readers are guessing which is 808 by simply choosing the image that is the 2nd best. They are not choosing 808 as the best. "

I don't understand. The 808 has won, beating the Oly, by a big margin in the blind test. That is, the vast majority of the readers found the IQ of the 808 better than that of the E-PL2.

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eschelar
By eschelar (Jun 27, 2012)

Fascinating. I just had my HTC One X stolen and am now looking for a replacement. Boy, if Nokia had put Android on that phone, I'd be slapping some cash down on the counter. Of course they didn't, so I'll buy another One X.

Sad that Nokia seems incapable of making rational decisions about OS.

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Behzad_T
By Behzad_T (Jun 29, 2012)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview_low_light-review-775p3.php

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soleda
By soleda (Jun 27, 2012)

wow i love the red one

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wildbild
By wildbild (Jun 27, 2012)

haha.
the sigma trick—41 MP sensor but 5 MP images..

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AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Jun 27, 2012)

Hahaha... but this one uses Bayer.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Hahaha... but this one uses Bayer."

Yup, this is why upsampling delivers much more per-pixel information than either the original 38Mpixel image or non-upsampled shots made by other Bayer cameras. In the latest test, the 5 Mpixel upsampled 808 image even beat the Pana GF2, resolution-wise.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jun 27, 2012)

It also has a special mode that lets you take 41MP images, am interested to see what they look like.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"It also has a special mode that lets you take 41MP images, am interested to see what they look like."

Very well detailed - I've also posted an ISO 12233 test reschart shot crop to PhoneArena. Here're my conclusions and links: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1046&message=41881533 , comparing the true resolution of the 38Mp mode to that of the 5/8 Mpixel ones and that of the Pana GF2.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Jun 27, 2012)

Menneisyys, those test pics are VERY badly shot. I've never seen such ugly output from a my Olympus m4/3 cameras. You must have some proplem with focusing, lens or post processing.

Please post something more revelevant and do not claim your tests as something professional.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Please post something more revelevant and do not claim your tests as something professional."

1, those aren't my tests, "only" my crops from the PhoneArena test images. (I did publish some tests myself back in February though.)

2, the Pana GF2's awful shots in that test are exactly the reason why we wait forward a decent, *controlled* test from DPReview (see my just-posted reply to another comment on exactly this matter).

3, the majority of tests so far published by other media show the 808 does have better low-light performance than, say, the Pana LX5. (See the Cnet Asia test.) That is, even if the PhoneArena test hasn't been done properly (they've messed up the GF2), there is still evidence the 808's IQ rocks.

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coroander
By coroander (Jun 27, 2012)

Glad i didn't buy a D800!

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Zoltan Varga
By Zoltan Varga (Jun 27, 2012)

"Samsung takes over from Nokia at top of mobile tree".
Maybe they are trying to get on top again.
But i don't know why are they forcing their Belle OS, thats the greatest disadvantage of this phone.
Probably the picture quality better than all other phones, but we all know that phones will never replace a camera. And lots of application will not be available on Belle OS.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

Because there's no other current OS that can utilise the 41mp sensor. Nokia had no choice but to release it on Belle or not at all.

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Infms
By Infms (Jun 27, 2012)

For those worried about Nokia (Symbian) Belle OS, to quote PhoneArena:

"Overall, in terms of functionality Symbian Belle FP1 on the Nokia 808 PureView can rank along the modern Android, iOS, or Windows Phone, and sometimes excels in things like a full landscape layout and easy file transfer. When it comes to fluidity and user experience, though, it is much less uniform, requires a steeper learning curve, and its outdated resolution and processor support stand little chance against the contemporary mobile OS players."

Belle OS is highly capable and had full multitasking before Android hit puberty. It's just slightly "clunky" at times.

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smena8m
By smena8m (Jun 27, 2012)

Have you ever try a phone with Belle or you believe i-fans stories?

Yes - some apps not working, but i never find in my 701 any of them which is needed for LIFE :-)

In real life Belle is, by my opinion, on same level with droid, ios and win phones. Some features (gps-nav) are even better and faster...

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BubbaHotepUK
By BubbaHotepUK (Jun 27, 2012)

I put Belle on my Nokia N8 (wonderful camera), it is HUGE improvement over Anna and S3. The problem with Belle is that the ecosystem just isn't there to maximise it's value. Ice Cream Sandwich on my Galaxy S2 blows it out of the water (including GPS) - so much so I sold the N8. I can live with the inferior camera of the SGS2 for the other benefits ICS brings.

The big question of course is when Nokia will be putting PureView on a Windows Phone, or whether they will lease the technology to other manufacturers.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jun 27, 2012)

And don't forget that there is no optical zoom, it is digital. Which means that that the advantages of the PureView technology will decrease as you zoom in.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

Well technically there is no digital zoom either...well not as we currently accept the definition of digital zooming.

But yes you're right......the advantages of pureview down sampling decrease as magnification increases.

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misolo
By misolo (Jun 27, 2012)

'Technically', what it does is exactly the definition of digital zooming (even 'as we currently accept it'). The only difference is, because of the larger sensor in the Nokia PureView and because there is so much downsampling at wide-angle, the image quality holds up much better for a longer zoom range than in other camera-phones.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

Yeah I see what you're saying.

Maybe I'm alone in understanding digital zoom as usually being done via the up sampling of the sensors native resolution.

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Dapple 101
By Dapple 101 (Jun 27, 2012)

Vitruvius - you're totally missing the point of PureView. The reason it's a 41MP sensor is so that you can allow a 3x zoom and maintain a 5MP image.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Jun 27, 2012)

Misolo - Not exactly the same. Digital zoom normally means cropping into a sensor and then upscaling that cropped view to the nominal resolution of the camera. So if there was say an 8MP camera it might crop and use the centre 4MP of the sensor but then upscale it back to 8MP, that is generally how digital zoom works. This on the other hand is a 38MP nominal resolution that is designed specifically to downsample to lower resolutions for the output file, utilizing captured data from adjacent pixels to better resolve that information (strong luminance noise for example can almost be completely gotten rid of). The more the camera 'zooms' ie crops into the centre of the image the less additional data it has to play with, until it runs out of additional data completely and captures the native resolution of that portion of the sensor. At no point does it use 'digital zoom' in the way most camera have in the past.

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 27, 2012)

You could say 808 uses digital zoom backwards, when zooming in it does LESS DOWNSAMPLING, not more up sampling...

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misolo
By misolo (Jun 27, 2012)

abortabort: not necessarily, since digital zoom is more often than not used when saving lower resolution images than the sensor supports. A typical camera phone example would be a 6MP sensor writing a 2MP jpeg (or, if using digital zoom in video mode, even less, with each frame somewhere around 1MP or less).

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Jun 27, 2012)

They should have just offered the camera portion separate as a cell phone case that attaches to the back of and plugs in to the phone. Then made it for a the most common phones. Would have given more people what they wanted without asking them to buy a new phone or change providers.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Tell the same to, say, Apple, who don't even let their iPhone to function as a video display device operated from an external source.

Big players surely wouldn't allow for such an add-on. Apple for sure.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Jun 27, 2012)

that would make any phone twice as thick, would be better to simply licence this technology to other phone and camera makers.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"that would make any phone twice as thick, would be better to simply licence this technology to other phone and camera makers."

They surely won't. I've spoken to several Nokia reps at the MWC and all of them stated it'll remain Nokia only.

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Debankur Mukherjee
By Debankur Mukherjee (Jun 27, 2012)

Now its time for Samsung to copy this .......

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

I received mine earlier in the week.

Sure it will only appeal to phone buyers who place greater importance on the camera aspect of the device than the OS being used but thats what us camera enthusiasts do!!

If "trendy" is more important than having the best camera then there's plenty of other choices on the market.

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Jun 27, 2012)

My thought exactly.
I have also been using mine for a week now and I'm pleasantly surprised overall.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Jun 27, 2012)

Android or Window? If not a smartphone it is just a $500 camera attached to a $200 dumb phone.

RX100 + iPhone or limited camera & phone.....

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

And the trade off with that is that you need to carry two devices around all the time.

This phone is for people who don't want to sacrifice too much IQ while only carrying one device.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

As sir_bazz has also pointed out, the raison d'etre of this device is that it's a converged one. No need to carry two separate entities - you can have both nicely converged into one 169g one. No more "I've left my high-quality camera at home" because it WILL always be in your pocket - and this is the major point!

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eschelar
By eschelar (Jun 27, 2012)

Agreed Menny and good to see you again after many years (Loox forums).

In the month and a half I had a One X, I could not believe how incredibly useful it was to have in my pocket all the time. I shoot a 7D with a bag full of very, very delicous lens goodies, but I was using my camera almost every other day to quickly shoot pics, send to the cloud or email to someone...

Sooooo useful.

Many of these pictures are pics that I would simply never want to pull my camera bag along for.

Plus, then there's the whole 'facebook' dimension. I personally view facebook as a repository of ONLY crap pics. Facebook seems to be against good photos at a very core level, but that allows for lots of 'personality' type pics. Like your last blind date, they don't look very good if you get close, but they can still be plenty of fun if you limit your expectations and focus on the content rather than the overall quality.

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Brent98
By Brent98 (Jun 27, 2012)

It's an interesting idea. The basic problem with sticking too many sensors on a chip is that the Bayer pattern doesn't scale down well. Once you stop trusting a single pixel, you need to scale down to 8:1 before you can consistently blend two pixels of the same color together. They scale slightly less than that, but most pixels will have at least two red, two blue and three green pixels.

It might work, but I'm not selling my XZ-1 just yet.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

It DOES work. Check out the reviews out there - we've been linking them at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1046&thread=41428653 . There's an interesting comparison of the 808's resolution to that of the Pana GF2 at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1046&message=41881533 , for example.

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Brent98
By Brent98 (Jun 27, 2012)

I looked at the "high ISO" test. Even scaled down to 8MP at ISO 400, it's not impressive.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"I looked at the "high ISO" test. Even scaled down to 8MP at ISO 400, it's not impressive."

Then, you've looked at the wrong test. Have you seen Cnet Asia's low-light comparison to the LX5? It's certainly worth a read: http://asia.cnet.com/shootout-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5-62216561.htm

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JWest
By JWest (Jun 27, 2012)

@Menneisyys - that test is pretty amazing - the 808 seems to match or beat the LX5, a very respectable compact, in pretty much every area.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"@Menneisyys - that test is pretty amazing - the 808 seems to match or beat the LX5, a very respectable compact, in pretty much every area."

Yup, I wouldn't have thought myself either - when I tested it back in late February at MWC, it delivered considerably worse results.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jun 27, 2012)

So what are the specs of the phone?

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maboule123
By maboule123 (Jun 27, 2012)

When I was a kid I remember the Dick Tracy's cartoon and his wrist watch with the little transmitter with a tiny screen, and I used to say...Nah!

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SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (Jun 27, 2012)

Nokia also announced a couple of weeks ago that they would introduce the same technology on their Windows phones (likely the Lumia). It's probably best to wait for that version to sample that amazing new camera/sensor since buying a Symbian phone costing that much is not a great idea (Nokia stopped further Symbian development last year). Unless you don't need apps, that is, which Windows doesn't have too many of right now but that's bound to change.

I had another Symbian Nokia with a great camera (the N8) and I thought I wouldn't need more apps than what Nokia offered, but then I found some very useful apps only available for Apple and Andriod phones so I switched to an Android phone with a very decent camera (Sony Ericsson Arc S) and I'm happy with the switch. The (slightly) better camera on the N8 was nice, but didn't make up for the restrictions of sticking to an outdated platform like Symbian, imo of course.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Jun 27, 2012)

Android or not,
but this product can take great pictures,
and one can call his/her friends not worse than with other phones.
I do not watch movies and I do not play games on the cell phone yet.
So for people like me it is the perfect phone to have.

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SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (Jun 27, 2012)

Which is basically what I said; if you DON'T need apps, then you'd be fine with a Symbian phone (with the added bonus of feeling like a curator of antiquities).

The camera technology on this Nokia is certainly a breakthrough for camera phones (even cameras in general), but for people who need the latest and greatest apps (and I don't mean games; I'm talking about banking apps, free long distance apps, etc.), the fascination with the new camera will soon fade and they'll end up feeling bogged down with an obsolete platform. That's what happened to me with the N8.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Nokia also announced a couple of weeks ago that they would introduce the same technology on their Windows phones (likely the Lumia)."

IMHO, if you need a great cameraphone and don't necessarily need third-party support (because, say, you already have an iPad to play / browse the Web on), then, the 808 is a very good choice. It's available NOW and not in the distant future. (I don't think there'll be PureView WP8 phones before 2013.)

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smena8m
By smena8m (Jun 27, 2012)

"...but then I found some very useful apps only available for Apple and Andriod phones..."

I am just curios - what are those very useful apps which are only available for Apple and Andriod phones?

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SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (Jun 27, 2012)

"IMHO, if you need a great cameraphone and don't necessarily need third-party support (because, say, you already have an iPad to play / browse the Web on), then, the 808 is a very good choice. It's available NOW and not in the distant future. (I don't think there'll be PureView WP8 phones before 2013.)"

IMHO, playing/browsing the web aren't the advantages of using a popular platform like Android/IOS; you can do that with Symbian. It's in the apps where the greatest advantage of Android/IOS is and having a tablet that runs on the either platform is no substitute for having a cellphone running the same (you don't have the tablet with you all the time).

Another point to consider is, if you wait for a Windows phone using the Pureview technology, you'll probably be paying markedly less for it since it'll be subsidized by a carrier, which is not the case with the current Symbian version. That is, of course, unless you have a camera phone emergency and need to get the Pureview NOW :)

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SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (Jun 27, 2012)

"I am just curios - what are those very useful apps which are only available for Apple and Andriod phones?"

I've already said what type of apps I was referring to. Read again, and focus this time.

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jon404
By jon404 (Jun 27, 2012)

So will it run my cellphone bill into orbit with mammoth 41 MP snapshot uploads? Or does it downsample, thereby actually not being a 41 MP camera at all?

EDIT, from the Amazon website -- "For example, when you want a 5MP photo, PureView packs the goodness of 7 pixels into 1 for sharp, clear, and ready to share photos."

But wait. Isn't a pixel just... a pixel? What am I missing here? And my God, 41 MP on a point 'n shoot sized sensor?

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Jun 27, 2012)

"And my God, 41 MP on a point 'n shoot sized sensor?"

Sensor has almost the same size as on $650 Sony RX100 product.

Or are you waiting for a Canon 5D Mark4 with the cell phone functions?

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luigibozi
By luigibozi (Jun 27, 2012)

indeed, a pixel is a pixel. but they're doing all kind of nice things with them. just look for "upsampling" or "downsampling" on wikipedia...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"EDIT, from the Amazon website -- "For example, when you want a 5MP photo, PureView packs the goodness of 7 pixels into 1 for sharp, clear, and ready to share photos."

But wait. Isn't a pixel just... a pixel? What am I missing here? And my God, 41 MP on a point 'n shoot sized sensor?"

What you're missing is the understanding of how traditional Bayer cameras work - as opposed to, say, Foveon ones. They'll NEVER deliver their nominal resolution because of the Bayer sensor. This is why the 808's 5 Mpixel rivals around 15-20 Mpixels on a Bayer sensor camera and this is why the 808 delivers better-detailed results at 5 Mpixel than the 12 Mpixel m43 Pana GF2 at 12 Mpixels.

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Pasha001
By Pasha001 (Jun 27, 2012)

> Isn't a pixel just... a pixel? What am I missing here?
You are mistaking sensels for pixels. This is a common marketing trick: when they are saying a camera has 12 Mpixels it actually has 12 Msensels and those 12 Msensels can only be approximated into 12 Mpixels so that the resulting picture resolution is less than 12 Mpixels in most cases. It is OK if all cameras are based on the same Bayer filter technology but if there is downscaling/binning like in 808 the difference becomes very important because picture obtained after significant downscaling has resolution closer to its actual number of pixels - so those pixels are "better" :).

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marike6
By marike6 (Jun 27, 2012)

I have to say the images on the Nokia website do look pretty awesome. But I just cannot get excited about a camera phone, no matter how cool the technology is. I would like it if my wife changed to one of these. She'll take really cute pictures of our little girl, and the quality is just not very good. And her phone is a Nokia. I guess it doesn't have PureView goodness. But even with the new sensor, if the shutter lag and focusing system are poor, it will only be great for static shots.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"But even with the new sensor, if the shutter lag and focusing system are poor, it will only be great for static shots."

Read the already-existing reviews - see http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1046&thread=41428653 for links (particularly the posts in the last 5-6 days). The shutter lag is surprisingly low (around 0.1s) and the AF is very fast.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Jun 27, 2012)

Does it mean it is really a 5.8 MP camera? If it samples and keeps only 1/7 of the pixels. For the pic.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Yup, but THOSE pixels have real information, unlike the pixels produced by Bayer cameras...

Think of Foveon sensor-based cameras. The 808 produces equally detailed images in upsampling modes.

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K_Photo_Teach
By K_Photo_Teach (Jun 27, 2012)

This camera phone is a game changer believe it or not

You must view the comparisons here......
http://www.gsmarena.com/pureview_blind_test-review-773.php

It is going to change the market.

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WT21
By WT21 (Jun 27, 2012)

Now if only it included a real phone!

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iforum
By iforum (Jun 27, 2012)

That is where you are a bit misguided it is a phone as it takes phone calls from other devices maybe it doesn't buy your cabbages automatically.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

What do you mean by "real phone"? If you want 3rd party apps, why don't you go straight for an iPad 3 just like me and a lot of other photo fans? It's immensely better to browse the Web / play games / read news on the iPad 3's screen than on, say, that of the iPhone 4S.

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JWest
By JWest (Jun 27, 2012)

And so easy to fit an iPad in your pocket! I'm sorry, the camera on this phone does look like an amazing technical achievement, but to saddle it with an already-obsolete OS is a dreadful shame.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"And so easy to fit an iPad in your pocket! I'm sorry, the camera on this phone does look like an amazing technical achievement, but to saddle it with an already-obsolete OS is a dreadful shame."

:)

Well, not exactly, but after having purchased the iPad 3, I couldn't imagine browsing the Web on my iPhone 4 / 4S any more. It's so much better on the large, beautiful, large-gamut and hi-res screen. (And consequently, I take my iPad 3 with me everywhere I go, even the local shop.)

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JWest
By JWest (Jun 27, 2012)

Oh I totally agree with you, browsing on a tablet is a much more pleasant experience than browsing on a phone. Where we differ, however, is that I'm not willing to carry a tablet around with me the whole time.

I can quite easily browse the web on the 4.8" screen of my phone - not quite so easily as on a screen twice the size, but much easier than carrying a bulky second device everywhere I go.

This is all just personal preference, however. None of it changes the fact that it would be awesome to have this camera on an Android phone - or an iPhone, if you insist. ;)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 30, 2012)

"This is all just personal preference, however. None of it changes the fact that it would be awesome to have this camera on an Android phone - or an iPhone, if you insist. ;)"

In my opinion too - I'd much prefer a high-end Android / iOS device to the 808 because of the OS. However, NOW, it's only the 808 that has this kind of a camera and it's highly unlikely we'll see something similar (or better) in other phones in the next, say, one year.

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David Kinston
By David Kinston (Jun 27, 2012)

I'm assuming that the engineers at Nokia are aware of the basic principles of photography and probably even read DPReview and similar sites! And they're not total fools and are not totally naive. So while I share everyone's surprise and scepticism re this phone, I'm going to wait for some actual facts before even starting to form an opinion. Maybe we're in for some pleasant shocks!

Just my 2c.

David K
Melbourne.au

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

Read the existing reviews to see what it's really capable of - links at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1046&thread=41428653&page=5

An example post discussing a new review is at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1046&message=41881533

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jun 27, 2012)

forgive me if i am skeptical of the resolution you will actually be able to get on a 41mp sensor that size.

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 27, 2012)

While there is the possibility of getting a full resolution file if you want one, the main idea is to produce a good quality 8 MPix photo with high quality digital zoom. The lens is diffraction limited at f:2.4 with that size sensor and resolution, and that is what Nokia gives you. They actually seem to know what they are doing.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Jun 27, 2012)

no i mean i am skeptical that any lens could put so much detail in so small a space

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (Jun 27, 2012)

Photo quality come from the size of the image sensor, not mega pix.

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Gidenkidenk
By Gidenkidenk (Jun 27, 2012)

Photo quality comes from the quality of the sensor.

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (Jun 27, 2012)

Quality of the sensor come from the size of the sensor.

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Klarno
By Klarno (Jun 27, 2012)

The sensor has more than one quality...

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manakiin
By manakiin (Jun 27, 2012)

Pentax K-5 is APS-C and its Sony sensor is in many ways much better than Canons 5DII that is FF.

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Jun 27, 2012)

Brilliant!! This "zooming" feature sounds great for a tiny form factor.

Problem is Nokia is still doomed for making the suicidal mistake of not going Android and going against the tide. If you are not Apple, you better be really strong to persist with what people do not want and what has no momentum - Symbian or Windows mobile. Nokia is not strong and it seems too late now.

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PJInTheUSA
By PJInTheUSA (Jun 27, 2012)

I would not count out Windows on mobile devices just yet. MS have deep pockets, some clever people working for them and Windows 8 announced this week looks great.

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Tee1up
By Tee1up (Jun 27, 2012)

PJ, The worst experience I have ever had has been with a Windows phone. A Samsung Omnia, and Omnia is a latin word for 'got dipped in a toilet'. Sorry, but I get angry just thinking about the engineers that are still laughing about getting this donkey past quality control. Never again with Windows phones.

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JWest
By JWest (Jun 27, 2012)

Windows is a rather nice phone OS actually, but that's kind of irrelevant. Microsoft were far too late to the market with it. No-one wants to buy a phone with no apps available.

It's such a shame to see this amazing camera technology saddled initially with an obsolete OS, with only the promise that (if we're lucky) they might also put it on a phone with a soon-to-be obsolete OS.

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Behzad_T
By Behzad_T (Jun 27, 2012)

well its not a samsung & even more!!! not a windows phone :)

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onlooker
By onlooker (Jun 27, 2012)

Read this page: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/pureview/

and see the video here: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/808pureview/

All about the camera, zip about the phone itself. That speaks volume. When I buy a phone, I buy a phone. The camera is just an auxiliary feature.

Nokia is desperate, and they are aiming it at a market that will recoil from the price.

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malcolm82
By malcolm82 (Jun 27, 2012)

The idea that carriers are subsidizing phones is ridiculous, they are not a government spending tax money. You are simply getting a loan included in your monthly contract to pay for the phone.
Its no different from saying banks are giving away free houses.

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spoorthy
By spoorthy (Jun 27, 2012)

IF this had a better UI it would be a hit. But sadly it is stuck with symbian. If it had windows phone 8 I might consider a purchase.

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svempa99
By svempa99 (Jun 27, 2012)

The UI is excellent. I´ve seen it and tried it.

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Graystar
By Graystar (Jun 27, 2012)

So DPReview is outsourcing reviews of compacts and cameras like the Pentax K-01 (outlier mirrorless, for lack of a better term) to concentrate on DSLRs, CSCs, and...cell phones??

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 27, 2012)

As usual, none of the reviews team were involved in preparing this news story. No review was delayed by its creation.

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Graystar
By Graystar (Jun 27, 2012)

What does THAT mean? So you're NOT going to post "a report in the coming weeks, once we have a chance to shoot a samples gallery"?

What a nonsensical comment.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jun 27, 2012)

Just wanted to comment that I hope dpreview really *is* working on studio shots and a review of the camera on this phone, including direct comparisons to other compacts like the 300hs, s100, and rx100 (probably via the studio shots). :-)

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Jun 27, 2012)

with the exception of the last 3 words, you're spot on.

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Graystar
By Graystar (Jun 27, 2012)

"with the exception of the last 3 words, you're spot on."

Immediately before the words "Nokia Press Release:" there is a sentence that reads...

"We've had a brief chance to use the large-sensor smartphone and will be posting a report in the coming weeks, once we have a chance to shoot a samples gallery."

What does that mean?

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Jun 27, 2012)

i guess i mean that taking a few pictures with and writing a couple of pages about a truly innovative camera/sensor (on a phone) hardly constitutes a change in what we're 'concentrating on'. Compact camera reviews all but disappeared from DPR years ago (thanks to feedback from our audience and traffic trends). Outsourcing part of the review process lets us add them back in without sacrificing our ILC reviews, which we've been doing more of every year since 2001.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Jun 27, 2012)

Simon - thanks for the reply!

Not sure if you meant "the studio shots" when you were referring to the last 3 words - hope we get to see studio shots, or direct comparisons, not just "sample shots"... :-)

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jun 27, 2012)

Still, really cannot understand why digital camera makers do not include a telephone in the compact and premium compact digital cameras - That should be easier than it is to built a camera into a telephone....

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Jun 27, 2012)

Totally agree. Adding an iPhone 5 to RX100 and share the battery, SOC, memory and retina display shouldn't add too much bulk and cost. That's be a proper point & shoot & smartphone (P&S&S, PSS, p!ss, LOL)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"Totally agree. Adding an iPhone 5 to RX100 and share the battery, SOC, memory and retina display shouldn't add too much bulk and cost. That's be a proper point & shoot & smartphone (P&S&S, PSS, p!ss, LOL)"

Yup, that'd be a great cameraphone. Too bad Sony and Apple are actually competitors and their camera (Apple) / phone (no iOS: Sony) products aren't excellent. (Apple doesn't have any stellar or unique camera tehcnology.)

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Jun 27, 2012)

I don't see anything wrong with it. Looks like a good P&S camera and phone.

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Tidewater
By Tidewater (Jun 27, 2012)

Trying to imagine the crop factor. No tele-lens needed. What a breakthrough for quality, portability, and potential.

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J Birn
By J Birn (Jun 26, 2012)

"capture seven pixels of information"

Probably meant seven *mega*pixels there.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 27, 2012)

If you read to the end of the sentence, it says it captures 7 pixels of information and condenses it into 1 pixel, so no, I don't think they meant seven mega pixels.

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adrianlew
By adrianlew (Jun 26, 2012)

Nokia is retarded. What will a user do with a 41 mega pix? Its the quality not the size that counts... Those photos will only take space. No wonder the almost went out of business.. Same poor decision to run windows instead of android on nokia phones... I think the really should close the doors...

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Pedro Moreira
By Pedro Moreira (Jun 26, 2012)

I think you're deadly wrong about the 41mpx and quality not size that counts, see the samples first, talk later. If only this phone would have windowsphone or Android it would be the BOMB because every photographer would want one!

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sean000
By sean000 (Jun 27, 2012)

This is actually a clever idea. One of the big issues with current smartphone cameras is that you don't have an optical zoom, and the digital zoom can quickly turn an 8 MP image into a low resolution image. More megapixels means more room for digital zoom/cropping. I would be very surprised if it can match the detail of a good 10 to 16 MP camera, but it will probably blow away current Smartphone cameras.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (Jun 27, 2012)

@sean000, you might be right, but at $700 USD, I see the market for such a camera/Phone to be severely limited. I know Nokia is in worse shape than RIM (and that's saying something!), and this is probably all they've got to actually sell in North America, so in a way, I wish them well. It sounds like they couldn't interest any of the carriers to subsidise the thing. But I don't see this coming out as a 'buy' decision once people start to run the numbers.

What I wish would occur is that Google or Motorola Mobility buy them (There are some good patents there for the next time Apple sues them, plus the camera tech.) Moto should consider even though they are a subsidiary of Google. An eventual spin off is inevitable and this would be a nice start to a new patent portfolio. And it wouldn't hurt to have this camera technology in the hands of a healthy manufacturer.

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (Jun 27, 2012)

Nikon D800 showed that there is a big market for high megapixel products like these, assuming the optics can keep up somewhat. You will get a lot of detail and by resizing the 41MP to a manageable 12-18MP you will cut down on low light noise significantly. And Apple is here with Retina Display computers to display it all. I predict every mfr going to 30-40MP on everything within next couple of years, including point-and-shoot cameras, phones, and DSLRS. My 21MP 5DM2 and 18MP 7D will be a low resolution dated products..... hopefully my 24MP NEX7 can be relevant for another year or so...

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fdvilla
By fdvilla (Jun 27, 2012)

I've seen the samples... and i'm not impressed, a point and shoot camera takes better pictures. They're often overexposed, noisy, very low on contrast and soft, why would i bother in buying this????? its just a way to get dumb people to buy a stupid product only cause it says 41MPX!!!!!!!

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OvinceZ
By OvinceZ (Jun 27, 2012)

The 808 should be amazing for shooting flowers. Small sensor will give excellent depth of field and lots of pixels will result in great detail. My HTC has an 8 Mp camera but the Pure View sounds much better.

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magneto shot
By magneto shot (Jun 27, 2012)

its the biggest image sensor on mobile phone.that is not retarded, its a great decision. Retard is where nokia did n9 and announced that its the last meego. Retard is where nokia sells symbian and says there will be no more development on it.

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sean000
By sean000 (Jun 27, 2012)

@Glen Barrington: I don't know if I see this saving Nokia either, but it's still an interesting concept. Unfortunately it's going to appeal to a very limited market. It's too thick for a Smartphone and I doubt it will have the chops to replace a dedicated compact camera. So I'm not sure who it will appeal to, which probably means prices will drop fast.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (Jun 27, 2012)

@fdvilla

Which samples did you see?

Here's some comparo crops from a few popular cameras next to the Nokia 808.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-pureview-vs-olympus-e-pl2-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii-vs-apple-iphone-4s-38mp-shootout/

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sunyen
By sunyen (Jun 27, 2012)

its been awhile i read such a retarded comment...just read the whitepaper and you know how dumb your comments really is.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"I've seen the samples... and i'm not impressed, a point and shoot camera takes better pictures. They're often overexposed, noisy, very low on contrast and soft, why would i bother in buying this????? its just a way to get dumb people to buy a stupid product only cause it says 41MPX!!!!!!!" and "Nokia is retarded"

Guys, before posting such uninformed nonsense, check out the reviews... links at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1046&thread=41428653&page=5 (say, http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1046&message=41881533 )

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Ronj2
By Ronj2 (Jun 27, 2012)

The shoot out was clearly in favor of the down sampled 808 images over the Panasonic LX5 at 1600 ISO. Much better than most P&S cameras, only without the controls and zoom lens.

http://asia.cnet.com/shootout-nokia-808-pureview-vs-panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx5-62216561.htm

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Rainer K. Lampinen
By Rainer K. Lampinen (Jun 27, 2012)

It is NOT 41 Mp sensor.
Sensor is only 8 Mp ( which is not bad at all),
but with interpolation scaling it will get 41 Mp.

Might be marketing trick that 41 Mp.

Photogrphically Yours,
Rainer K. Lampinen
www.panoramicimages.fi

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jun 27, 2012)

"It is NOT 41 Mp sensor.
Sensor is only 8 Mp ( which is not bad at all),
but with interpolation scaling it will get 41 Mp."

???? You may not have seen any resolution chart shots. How could any software algorithm "interpolate" pixels that can't be interpolated from a 8 Mpixel sensor output because of the Nyquist limit?

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BelDDB
By BelDDB (Jun 27, 2012)

+1, Nokia is now really on wrong track to dying

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Mehluli
By Mehluli (Jul 3, 2012)

I have a Nokia N8, and must say it has been great... With the improved Belle, its much smooth and "for me" its enough to still stick with Nokia with the Pureview. I know what Android and Apple offer, have used all, but if you ask me, "as good as they are", I will not use them! Primarily I use a phone for calls and sms. For emails and everything else, I use my tablet. When I buy a "smartphone", I list down what I would NEED to use it for, and this is my list in order of preference:
1. Great hardware
This includes GPS (Offline Maps & Navigation), Camera, FM receiver and transmitter, WiFi, HDMI, USB Connectivity (USB on the Go).
2. Software
Before Belle, Symbian was crap, but now it is "OK"...and I can live with it now.
And from the list of phone manufacturers, I clearly went with the N8, and now will go to 808 Pureview as it is a winner in my book. Being able to shoot such great photos from a mobile phone is an advantage for me, on top of other hardware extras it gives my "mobile phone".

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