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Nikon announces AF-S Nikkor 24-85mm F3.5-4.5G ED VR affordable full-frame lens

By dpreview staff on Jun 14, 2012 at 04:43 GMT
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Nikon has announced the AF-S Nikkor 24-85mm F3.5-4.5G ED VR, a comparatively affordable, stabilized, variable aperture standard zoom lens for full frame cameras. It comes as Nikon celebrates the sale of the 70 millionth Nikkor lens since 1933, and the 30 millionth silent-wave motor lens since the system's introduction in 1996. It's hard not to interpret the announcement as lending weight to the rumors of an affordable full-frame body, since it's hard to imagine large numbers of D800 owners using such a lens (with its recommended price of $599) as their everyday lens.


Press Release:

NIKON EXPANDS ACCLAIMED NIKKOR LENS LINEUP WITH THE ADDITION OF THE NEW 18-300MM VR ALL-IN-ONE HIGH POWER SUPER ZOOM LENS AND THE 24-85MM VR LENS

MELVILLE, N.Y. (June 14, 2012) – Today, Nikon Inc. announced the addition of two new lenses to the legendary NIKKOR lineup, the AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR and the AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR lenses. The new 18-300mm VR lens is a versatile and compact 16.7X all-in-one super zoom DX-format lens, while the new 24-85mm VR lens is an ideal standard zoom for any FX-format photographer. These optics were designed to meet the needs of all types of photographers, from those looking to capture everything from family outings to elusive wildlife and stunning landscapes. The new 18-300mm and 24-85mm lenses deliver the performance and superior image quality that photographers of all levels have come to expect from NIKKOR lenses whether capturing still images or HD videos.

To capture stunningly sharp images with excellent clarity and color reproduction or HD video that exhibits sharp critical focus with a dramatic depth of field, the new 18-300mm VR and 24-85mm VR lenses will empower photographers with a variety of exclusive core NIKKOR technologies. Both lenses are equipped with Nikon’s Vibration Reduction (VR) II image stabilization system which provides the equivalent of a shutter speed approximately four stops faster. The built-in Vibration Reduction will help photographers create blur-free images and video while shooting handheld and in challenging lighting conditions. Two focus modes, manual-priority autofocus (M/A) and manual focus (M), are easily selected in both lenses as well. When either lens is in manual-priority autofocus (M/A) mode, users will be able to instantly switch from autofocus to manual focus operation by simply rotating the focus ring, even during AF servo operation. Additionally, both lenses feature an internal focusing system, providing fast focus without changing the length of the lens while retaining working distance through the focus range, and Nikon’s Silent Wave Motor (SWM) technology designed to deliver fast, accurate and quiet AF performance. The lenses also boast Nikon’s Super Integrated Coating (SIC) which provides superb color reproduction, color consistency and reduced flaring.

“Whether a pro on assignment, a photo enthusiast or an indie cinematographer, all Nikon users appreciate and rely on the vast selection and reliability of NIKKOR lenses for all of their imaging needs,” said Bo Kajiwara, director of marketing, Nikon Inc. “The new AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm VR and AF-S
NIKKOR 24-85mm VR lenses are fully optimized to capture stunning images and videos while meeting the growing needs of photographers of all levels around the world.”

The NIKKOR 18-300mm VR Lens: Nikon’s Longest Focal Range

Building on the popularity and versatility of Nikon’s telephoto zoom lens lineup which includes both the NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 and 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 VR lenses, the new 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens is Nikon’s longest focal range ever, with an astounding 16.7X ultrahigh-ratio zoom range. The DX-format 18-300mm VR lens is surprisingly compact, lightweight and covers a focal range from wide-angle 18mm to super-telephoto 300mm, equivalent to a focal length of 27mm to 450mm in FX/35mm format. At the 300mm focal length setting, the lens’ large f/5.6 aperture enables photographers to shoot at faster shutter speeds with shallow depth-of-field. This new super telephoto zoom lens is ideal for taking stills when travelling and for all around general photography including landscapes, portraits and distant subjects. The 18-300mm lens is also excellent for recording HD video as it can be used for wide establishing shots, medium close-up shots and extreme telephoto sequences when the users want to separate the subject from the background.

The construction of the AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens consists of 19 optical elements in 14 groups with three Extra-low Dispersion (ED) glass elements that effectively minimize chromatic aberration, even at the widest aperture settings, and three aspherical lens elements that virtually eliminate aberrations at wide aperture settings. The new lens also incorporates a nine rounded blade diaphragm to help achieve a natural looking dramatic separation between subject and background.

The AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR also has a dedicated zoom lock switch which secures the lens barrel at its minimum length and will prevent the lens from sliding during transportation. Additionally, the 18-300mm VR lens is ideal for capturing close-ups with great detail, as it offers a 1.48 ft. minimum focusing distance at 300mm, as well as a maximum reproduction ratio of 1:3.2X.

The NIKKOR 24-85mm VR Lens: The Standard Zoom for FX Shooters

Ideal for photographers seeking an FX-format compatible standard zoom lens, the new AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR lens delivers sharp, crisp and high-quality images and can be assigned as an everyday walkabout lens. Covering the frequently used focal-length range of 24mm to 85mm, this lens is a great companion for any FX-format shooter and is ideal for shooting stills of landscapes, architecture, head and shoulder portraits, candid shots or group shots. For HD video shooters, the 24-85mm VR lens is a natural choice when filming landscapes, large groups of people or when wide field establishing shots or medium close-ups are needed. The 24-85mm lens is a great everyday lens that is compact, lightweight and easy to carry on any photo assignment or family adventure.

In addition to the lens’ built-in Vibration Reduction (VR) technology, the AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR lens features Auto Tripod detection which recognizes when the camera is mounted on a tripod, even during HD video recording, to help deliver specialized VR correction. The lens construction of the 24-85mm VR lens consists of 16 optical elements in 11 groups with one Extra-low Dispersion (ED) glass element, three aspherical lens elements and a seven rounded blade diaphragm.

Price and Availability

The AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR lens will be available at the end of June 2012 for the suggested retail price (SRP) of $999.95*. The AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR lens will also be
available at the end of June 2012 and will have a suggested retail price (SRP) of $599.95*. For more information on these new NIKKOR lenses and other Nikon products, please visit www.nikonusa.com.

*SRP (Suggested Retail Price) listed only as a suggestion. Actual prices are set by dealers and are subject to change at any time. Specifications, equipment and release dates are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the manufacturer.

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Total comments: 244
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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Jun 14, 2012)

Actually this lens would make a good match with the 12-24 f/4 with a DX camera, should perform very well on one. Likely better than the 16-85 in the common range, and the 16-85 is veeeery slow at 85.

0 upvotes
inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Jun 15, 2012)

true, if its a nikon body, should perform well

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ghuba
By ghuba (Jun 14, 2012)

The prior 24-85 of which this seems to have identical specs except for VR was a very light lens that had great IQ. I had a new old stock version from a local small dealer as well as a used one from auction. See bythom and KR for their comments on the earlier variant.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Jun 14, 2012)

No, the previous version does not have identical specs. The new version has 1 more element and 2 more aspheric elements. Plus it's a bit bigger, heavier, and has a larger filter diameter. It also appears to have a rear gasket that the previous version does not have (I have one).

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Jun2
By Jun2 (Jun 14, 2012)

weight? filter size?

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Jun 14, 2012)

Really? You can't go the the Nikon web site and find it yourself?

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Jun2
By Jun2 (Jun 14, 2012)

No, I don't have time. They are the one try to sell me the lens.

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Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Jun 14, 2012)

I understand B&H is taking orders for these :^)

0 upvotes
gl2k
By gl2k (Jun 14, 2012)

24-120 f4 VR
Why does the world "need" another lens in that range ?

2 upvotes
friedbrains
By friedbrains (Jun 14, 2012)

2 words: price and price

1 upvote
D200_4me
By D200_4me (Jun 14, 2012)

D600....newcomers to 'full frame'. An 'affordable' way to enter full frame....then they sell more expensive lenses to you when you get hooked ;-)

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 14, 2012)

Let's see...smaller, lighter, cheaper and just maybe, a little better optically than the 24-120. (Not a high bar).

7 upvotes
historianx
By historianx (Jun 15, 2012)

Should I make the jump to FF, it sure wouldnt be one of these, just three fast primes, 28, 100, and 300.

0 upvotes
inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Jun 15, 2012)

wow 28 100 300 ...thats certainly something :)
my perfect triplet is 28 50 135

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Walter Rowe
By Walter Rowe (Jun 14, 2012)

When will they offer the 24-70/f2.8 with VR? This has been missing from the lineup for a very long time. I own the AF-S 28-70/f2.8G ED. I see no reason to upgrade unless a VR edition comes out. In fact I just had it repaired in Melville. It works great with the D800.

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LSE
By LSE (Jun 14, 2012)

that lens is half way its lifetime. you'll have to wait a good 5 years.

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Ilkka Nissilä
By Ilkka Nissilä (Jun 14, 2012)

In this class of lens, optical quality and robustness of construction are higher priorities than VR. If anything, Nikon should try to improve the construction quality and longer distance 24mm performance, and try to make the lens smaller and lighter. The introduction of VR elements would 1) reduce optical quality (reducing corner sharpness and increasing distortion most likely), 2) make the lens longer and heavier, 3) make it more vulnerable to impacts, and possibly 4) increase the cost. VR is not very useful in this focal length range because usually it is used for events and portraits, and those subjects require reasonably high shutter speeds (1/200s would be good) rather than VR. For travel snapshots, VR would be useful, but the 24-70 is not designed for that really. For serious architectural and landscape photography, a tripod is normally used, not VR.

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jvideographer
By jvideographer (Jun 14, 2012)

I second that thought. Waiting for one.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 15, 2012)

Depsite the rationalizations that accompany an $1800 24-70, there is no reason that they can't update it with VR. It's already big. It's already heavy. It's already expensive. As for what type of photos are taken with a 24-70, I prefer to let users decide but I can tell you, even on the 16-35, VR comes in very handy at times, even with short focal length lenses.

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jadmaister2
By jadmaister2 (Jun 14, 2012)

It only makes sense if the rumoured D600 is out soon, although I suppose Nikon will be happy if they pre sell 500 of these to D700 owners...it is after all a decent price for an FX lens. A few tests BEFORE the D600 appears which suggest that it is a good performer will no no harm. Maybe that's the rationale for the timing and the design.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 14, 2012)

If this was supposed to be for a soon-to-be-released low cost FF body, then why didn't they announce the body with it?

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Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Jun 14, 2012)

I'm getting the 24-85, should be great!

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JakeB
By JakeB (Jun 14, 2012)

I really can't stand variable maximum aperture zooms.

You never quite know where you are in the heat of a shoot when you put the aperture on maximum and zoom -- moving from 3.5 to 4.5 can critically alter the shutter speed to one too slow for handheld, even with VR, or one that can't freeze motion.

I'd prefer a straight f4 lens.

Luckily I own Nikon's superb 24-70 f2.8 so all this is moot for me.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jun 14, 2012)

So treat it like a constant f4.5. Problem solved.

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pc168
By pc168 (Jun 14, 2012)

That's why I use the 16-35 F4.

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JakeB
By JakeB (Jun 14, 2012)

@tkbslc

f4.5 is pretty slow. Plus you're throwing away the faster aperture.

Much better solution is to go constant maximum aperture.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 14, 2012)

Obviously this new lens will not be in a league with the 24-70. But there are times when shaving a pound off the weight and having a less conspicuous lens would be desireable, assuming it's reasonably good.

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Jon Rty
By Jon Rty (Jun 14, 2012)

Auto-ISO, problem solved.

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LSE
By LSE (Jun 14, 2012)

it's for people that don't care to pay for the benefit of constant aperture.

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WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (Jun 15, 2012)

@JakeB,

Then get a constant aperture lens.

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cajuncc
By cajuncc (Jun 14, 2012)

Looks like a nice companion to my F100. Compact and versatile, plus VR. I'm sure it would see some time on the D700 also, but mostly on the F100.

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LJohnK2
By LJohnK2 (Jun 14, 2012)

....18-300 yawn....as a DX shoter, I'd be alot more impressed with the rumored 16-85, f4 or a refreshed 80-400.

The 24-85 is interesting and would seem to be the precursor for a Consumer FX body, but for consumers the future is smaller, not bigger ?.... so not sure what Nikon strategy is here.

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Tomskyair
By Tomskyair (Jun 14, 2012)

DX bodies actually can't get much smaller than they currently are due to the flange distance DX inherited from the venerable Nikon F-mount for 135 analog film (see also the ill-conceived Pentax K-01).

Unless Nikon would completely ditch their APS-C lens lineup (just trying to imagine the ensuing crying, whining and cursing in the DPR forums and elsewhere here...) DX bodies won't become any smaller than the current entry-level DSLRs.

16-85/4 - yawn as well. Not that much of a difference to the existing, and quite good, 16-85/3.5-5.6. Doubt I would buy it as a replacement unless it would offer significantly more over its predecessor than just one f-stop at the long end. 80-400 - agree.

But as consumers ever want more in a smaller package the 18-300 seems to be somewhat consequential in that market segment ("How can it be that flimsy P&S offers better zoom range than my Dxxxx?).

If you want to go really small and lightweight: forget about legacy APS-C from any manufacturer and go MFT.

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techmine
By techmine (Jun 14, 2012)

"If you want to go really small and lightweight: forget about legacy APS-C from any manufacturer and go MFT."

You forgot the nice and tiny APS-C packages from Sony and Samsung.

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Tomskyair
By Tomskyair (Jun 14, 2012)

Doesn't exactly apply to Sony's and Samsung's lenses. Sometimes I walk over to my local electronics superstore and take up a NEX or NX for testing. The unbalanced discrepancy between lens and camera body sizes never ceases to amuse me...

APS-C for MILC in my opinion is a dead end road. Even more so when looking at the bland and uninteresting lens offerings by the two "S" companies. Still no SWA zoom from any of them... other than MFT.

Ooops - just overlooked Samsungs 10-17. Nevertheless still way too big to trade in my Nikon APS-C stuff for a smaller camera body only...

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LJohnK2
By LJohnK2 (Jun 14, 2012)

I did purchase a complete MFT's setup earlier this year for a trip ...used it for around 4 months....was much lighter, but in terms of size...its still no where near compact..neither is the Sony NEX.

So far the Canon G!X seems to be the only true 'compact' camera with serious IQ....hope Nikon does similar with P7*00, but may eat into the J1/V1, so time will tell.

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Hannu108
By Hannu108 (Jun 14, 2012)

"You forgot the nice and tiny APS-C packages from Sony and Samsung."

Yes, I have NX200 with the fantastic 30mm f/2 lens. It can resolve all the 20.3 MP of NX200. Never had a better combo for indoors, street photography & (non-macro) flower shots.

It was an upgrade for me to get NX200 and sell my Nikon D90. D90 was too big for many occasions. I had earlier D3100, D5000 and D40. All great Nikons. I had also Panasonic G3 & Olympus E-PL2 but NX200 is more solid and better. You just have to shoot RAW to get the most out of it.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Jun 15, 2012)

the strategy is:

they get the guys that like slrs a cheaper full frame body

and the guys that just switched to slrs because they like gadgets, and use monitors on dslrs (aka the guys that don't get it) a mirrorless dx system

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Tomskyair
By Tomskyair (Jun 14, 2012)

Nice lens, but my old 24-85/2.8-4 for the D700 is still going strong. Would have to die first...

But apart from the now most likely D600 I would still like to see a decent SWA zoom for FX that can rival the venerable 12-24/4 for DX. The 16-35/4VR just didn't cut it in terms of IQ, the 17-35/2.8 is obsolete and totally overpriced and the 14-24/2.8 - well, nice and great lens although also a little bit pricey. But actually I don't want to drag around that humungous two-pound monster on a daily basis when taking my camera along for the occasional walk or some snapshots. Hey Nikon, how about a 14-24/4 or 3.5-4.5 without VR (to keep it lightweight and small)?

Other than that D600 users won't be able any longer to clamor for those "fast" zooms - they are already there. However most people will most likely be appalled when realizing the size, weight and last not least prices ("Jikes, this lens is more in size, weight AND price than my camera body?!") of their newfound objects of desire.

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dmanthree
By dmanthree (Jun 14, 2012)

I find that a strange comment, as well. Price isn't the deciding factor, it's performance. If this lens performs, who cares about the price? And like others, I believe that this seems to be a precursor to the D600.

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

I care about the price, despite not being poor. I hate to pay much for nothing. Nikon has a double price policy and the cheap material is rather cheap compared to the expensive one. I find there is a too big difference in Nikon's pricing.They let you pay the "Pro" logo very high. And by saying that , i do not mean that consumer stuff is to cheap, but at fair prices while Pro material is over driven in price policy

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Nikonparrothead
By Nikonparrothead (Jun 14, 2012)

Only a "review site" owned by a vendor would suggest matching camera bodies with lenses based on price.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jun 14, 2012)

Yea....I didn't get that either.
Unless they have already. Maybe they already know its a dog and can't resolve 36mp??
Basically not worth buying as a kit.

Maybe that's where they are getting at.

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Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Jun 14, 2012)

It will resolve 36MP just fine at f6.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 14, 2012)

Personally, I think that a majority of people willing/able/needing to spend $3000 on a highly demanding camera body will be expecting to pay for premium-quality lenses to get the best out of it.

The idea that a $600 variable aperture zoom might not get the best out of it is hardly a radical conclusion to reach, nor does it suggest we think those people should buy more expensive lenses, just that we think many of them will.

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (Jun 14, 2012)

So, long live DX too !

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

All is about your goals. When I was a young boy, i used high end medium format for the simple reason of totally better depth of field.With a Hassie or my Bronica GS, i could take shots where all was sharp, from one corner to the other. In digital, apsc allows that too, with, for sure, some limits. I will not buy a 38000$ Hassie for that. A FF has advantages, for those that like DOF, but on the other side you can not use any magick to get sharpness when the sensor does not allows it. That is why I stick to DX format. The Nex-7 has quiet a close dof area too and if I need that, I just select the lens that allows me to have that. So, I do not say that there is no temptation to buy a D600 when it comes, but still then I wait for the results and see if I need that.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Jun 14, 2012)

the KIT lens for the upcoming D600.

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (Jun 14, 2012)

DPR got it right. Their comment is not so peculiar to me. The lens may be a good one, but I do not anticipate having such a lens as my everyday lens for the D800.

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LSE
By LSE (Jun 14, 2012)

DPR got it wrong. It is for the D600. not the D800.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jun 14, 2012)

Have you read what our story says?

We say that an inexpensive lens that is an odd match for the D800 supports the idea of a less expensive model being introduced. In what sense have we got that wrong?

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Jose Rocha
By Jose Rocha (Jun 14, 2012)

So, where's the 70-200mm f/4 VR II?

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ChrisDM
By ChrisDM (Jun 14, 2012)

I didnt know there was a version 1 of this lens.

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

Buy one at Sigma

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Jose Rocha
By Jose Rocha (Jun 14, 2012)

Then show me a link to one of those :)

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LSE
By LSE (Jun 14, 2012)

"I didnt know there was a version 1 of this lens."

VRII refers to the VR technology NOT the lens version. If nikon released a VR lens of their 24-70 it would also be VRII or VRIII even if there was no VRII

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Ilkka Nissilä
By Ilkka Nissilä (Jun 14, 2012)

The "II" or "III" in a lens name refers to lens version, not VR version. The VR version is never designated physically on the lens, nor in its name.

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Michael S.
By Michael S. (Jun 14, 2012)

Smelling the D600 with 24MP on full frame sensor coming up for $ 1500-1990!

;-)

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

Now, i just wait for a Sony FF with that chip, a 24 mpix. If it was a mirrorless it would even be better. I have too many Minolta glasses laying around and all my Nikon glass is mainly Dx, with just 2 exceptions.

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pc168
By pc168 (Jun 14, 2012)

... may be it reaches $2200

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joao salvador
By joao salvador (Jun 14, 2012)

I still have and use the 24-85G. It is an excellent lens both on film and on digital. It's my everyday lens on D700. I will look at results to see if the introduction of VR compensates the money I'll have to spend to upgrade. Very curious!

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friedbrains
By friedbrains (Jun 14, 2012)

This lens is perfect for the D600... but where is the 24-70 f2.8 with VRII???

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

You walk too fast, wait the d600 to appear first

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simon65
By simon65 (Jun 14, 2012)

RIP Canon

If Nikon release a $1,500 FF DSLR then Canon's existing business model, product line up and pricing model is toast.

Canon have just released the 5D Mk III at $3,500 body only (!#!), and its near starter DSLR, the 650D at $950.

As someone who has always felt Canon are one of the more cynical manufacturers our there I can't but help feeling a touch of schadenfreude as I witness the increasingly tightening stranglehold Nikon and Sony have got them in. That even as I see the value of my Canon kit falling by the day on Ebay.

I'm selling and moving on, Canon have been offering too little for too much, for too long.

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goosel
By goosel (Jun 14, 2012)

I think you are too harsh. Canon will probably catch up. AND, they have an enormous fan base that won't dry up.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Jun 14, 2012)

well you are either a du*b or very shortsighted.

it´s called product cycles... but we all know you are a TROLL simon.

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SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (Jun 14, 2012)

I am no fanboy, but a long time Canon loyal. Over last 4 months my thoughts on giving up and jumping to Nikon or Sony has increased. Too little for too much for too long...rightly said! But I need to sell my modest gear that I have invested over $4K over the years and not seeing decent values being offered on Craigs or ebay

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

I am a Kabbalist and we divide all words in 3, a beginning, an end and a root.That is how we wrote the Bible, 3500 years ago. And, the root of Canon is NO.

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audijam
By audijam (Jun 14, 2012)

D600 for $1500.....bubble wrap body?

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jtan163
By jtan163 (Jun 14, 2012)

I'm feeling very locked in with my D7000 now. Can't really afford to replace all of my DX lenses, and I suspect in a month or two, I won't be ale to get more than about $1100 for the body.

Schwein!

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Jun 14, 2012)

Canon is coming out with an APS-C or full frame mirrorless camera this month. As many have mentioned here before, smaller is the future.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 14, 2012)

Nikon has been working harder than Canon because they don't have nearly as much other business to fall back on. But Canon isn't going anywhere, there is no cynicism, no guilt, corporations are not people.

The best thing you can do for the camera industry? Switch back and forth between Canon and Nikon, each time one pulls ahead of the other. I've done this but in the end, I found it cheaper to have both.

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LSE
By LSE (Jun 14, 2012)

canon is more interested in video than photography....all they are doing now turning all their photographers into videographers.

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digitallollygag
By digitallollygag (Jun 15, 2012)

But the question is, will Nikon have this rumored $1,500 FF on backorder for 2 years? This seems to me Nikon's weakest link: production capacity.

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Bare
By Bare (Jun 14, 2012)

This is ideal kit lens for upcoming Nikon D600.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jun 14, 2012)

A kit lense that cost the same than a d3100 aps-c with 18-55VR is not my definition of ideal. 600$ is not what i call affordable :( But in the Full Frame world, this may be the case.

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gatorowl
By gatorowl (Jun 20, 2012)

$600 is affordable in the FF world. Look at Canon and Nikon current offerings. Neither Co. offer more than a couple of FF zoom lens for under $1000 each. Off hand, I can think of the 70-300mm for both Co.'s and the Canon 17-40mm. There may be others, but most of the lens offerings are on the pro level.

For me, moving over from Canon, my kit consists predominantly of prime lenses. Sorry, but I neither want to pay $1500-$2000+ for a pro-zoom lens nor walk around with hulking monster that weighs over a kilo and won't fit in a compact pack.

A lens like this meets the definition of walk around for me. For critical shots, I still have a 50 or 85mm prime. However, when I'm on holiday, an inexpensive compact zoom like this one is perfect (assuming it has IQ comparable to the original).

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keepreal
By keepreal (Jun 14, 2012)

The new 24-85 offers yet another lens in this range. This is strange as if Nikon have a problem coming up with an alternative to the relatively old f/2.8-4 as none of the newer ones has been around for nearly as long. Not only is the older lens superior optically, it has relatively little distortion.

I rely upon photozone.de for detailed lens reviews as I think it offers the best and most useful analysis and almost every Nikon DX lens reviewed there shows unacceptable distortion when using RAW. Mind you, when in the pursuit of lower weight I use the 18-55 VR, I find no problem in that regard except at near distances.

I am amazed not at the huge range of the new 18-300 which technically is interesting but at the stupidity of anyone who would want to buy this heavyweight and fork out a considerable amount of dosh to get it. Unless, of course, this is one draws with so little distortion it is a masterpiece. But I very much doubt it. I presume it comes with a caddy at no extra cost?

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Hynee
By Hynee (Jun 14, 2012)

It will have similar distortion to the old 18 – 200. You realise distortion can be corrected in RAW files right?

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MichaelEchos
By MichaelEchos (Jun 14, 2012)

I would buy this lens over 24-70 2.8.
5 reasons.
1. Smaller.
2. Lighter.
3. Cheaper.
4. With VR.
5. Similar aperture size to DX 2.8s

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

I am happy Nikon made that one, it will allow me to buy a used 18-200 at correct pricing

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keepreal
By keepreal (Jun 15, 2012)

Yes Hynee, I am aware you can correct distortion in RAW and I do that in Photoshop manually when the need arises. However, I expect you mean automatically but to allow that limits you to which RAW developer you use.

I rely upon Oloneo PhotoEngine for tonemapping single frames and bracketed shots as it is fast, very easy to use and gives superb results. Occasionally I have to use Photomatix first but just to merge bracketed frames into an .hdr file because PhotoEngine is not too good at merging frames from handheld shots. The .hdr files can still be input to PhotoEngine for tonermapping. Nothing in the foreseeable future is going to have me change that.

That leaves my comment on the distortion in most DX lenses when using RAW as I originally put it. Totally unacceptable as far as I am concerned.

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decarrion
By decarrion (Jun 14, 2012)

great news. i own the 24-85 mm G and like it. Unfortunately the fron is a bit loose and i like to replace it. I was about to buy the D version but with the VR i will certain buy it. Nice and compact on my D700

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Tihomir Rusanin
By Tihomir Rusanin (Jun 14, 2012)

I use the older AF-S 24-85/3,5-4,5G everyday on my Nikon F5,and i am comlpletly satisfied.

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PhotoBert
By PhotoBert (Jun 14, 2012)

The somewhat obscure and discontinued 2002 AF-S version of this lens is one of my favorites - and in my opinion, one of the sharper lenses that Nikon has made, although the casing isn't the best. This newer lens has an extra element (16) and extra group (12) along with VR II. IF it's basically the same lens as the fantastic 2002 version, than this will be a real winner.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 14, 2012)

This lens costs $600. Therefore, the D600 will cost $2000 and the D600 + 24-85mm kit will cost $2500.

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simon65
By simon65 (Jun 14, 2012)

The inside rumours have the D600 body costing around $1,500, which makes more sense. Take the D600 to close to the D800 in price and it loses its point.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 14, 2012)

$2000 is not close to $3000. A $1500 FF camera is going to be so stripped down of features that it's going to be not even worth being interested in.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Jun 14, 2012)

I think 1,999USD for the body+lens is a good guess, if rumors are correct.

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 15, 2012)

"$2000 is not close to $3000. A $1500 FF camera is going to be so stripped down of features that it's going to be not even worth being interested in."

Well if they remove all the video junk, it will be exactly what I look for. All I need is the 4 positions on the wheel, 2 user profiles and raw shooting, all the rest they can stick into the back pocket.

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The A-Team
By The A-Team (Jun 14, 2012)

What's wrong with using a $599 lens as an everyday lens? I'm sure there are millions of full frame shooters using 50mm 1.4s (less than $500) as their "everyday lens", myself included...

Looks like a great option for any full frame user who wants an affordable walk-around. Not to mention the old 24-85s for both Canon are Nikon are classics. An update with VR is even better.

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

I look on the shot, not on the price tag

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szal
By szal (Jun 15, 2012)

I’ve even seen the D800 used with a cheapo-plastico AF 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G film kit lens that today costs almost nothing. What counts is what you get out of your equipment.

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love_them_all
By love_them_all (Jun 14, 2012)

Where is the more affordable FF body to go with this lens?

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (Jun 14, 2012)

are you on another planet? the leaked pictures of D600 are all over the internet. Just check Nikonrumors, dpreview forums, or everywhere else in the world. The only question is whether the rumored $1500 is true or not.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jun 14, 2012)

well, the 24-120f4VR was a bad lens , it was not as sharp as I expected it to be and it was huge , it was not very well built.
so, I just sold it after using it for a few weeks in 2010.

the 24-70 is a good lens but it is also heavy and bulky , and more importantly it lacks the VR2 , so I still have it but seldom use it now.
I think this AFS24-85VR is a good lens for 580USD and it is so light and small , also this really confimed that the rumored the D600 is for real.
any way, when we need really good lenses for landscape ,studio and as such , we still need a set of Zeiss or expensive f1.4G Nikkors, so I think this is a compromised optics but it can be a great walk around light lens for the D800E.

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pc168
By pc168 (Jun 14, 2012)

The 24-70 is crazy heavy and bulky. Absolutely not my cup of tea.

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dansclic
By dansclic (Jun 14, 2012)

when you say the 24-120 was a bad lens, do you mean the 3,5-4,5 ? which is true but nomore with the 24-120 f 4 which according to mansurov's tests is very similar in image quality to the 24-70 f2,8 !

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PaulSimon
By PaulSimon (Jun 14, 2012)

lol keep telling yourself that. the 24-120/4 is a cheap mini-super zoom from Thailand.

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Ilkka Nissilä
By Ilkka Nissilä (Jun 14, 2012)

The 24-120/4 isn't similar in image quality to the 24-70/2.8 - at f/4 the difference in favour of the f/2.8 zoom is considerable. The 24-70 has less CA, less distortion, and less vignetting, aperture for aperture, and more consistent sharpness across the range.

I hope the new 24-85 VR will have fewer optical compromises than the 24-120/4. It is more reasonably priced, for sure, so some compromises may be accepted. The 24-85G AF-S (no VR) is very good at 85mm but a bit on the soft side and with distortion at 24mm. The new lens, if it shows improved quality at 24mm will surely be attractive to those who use primes for low light and wide apertures and want a zoom for stopped down work but do not want to pay the premium for the 24-120/4 for something that they use as an essentially convenience lens. I personally will continue to use the 24-70/2.8 as it gives good quality consistently and primes for speed and when I need a smaller lens.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jun 14, 2012)

The bar has been set for a quality but affordable full frame lens.

Now, Sony: BEAT IT!

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

They will, be sure about that

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (Jun 14, 2012)

what?
don't we have 24-120mm already?

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Jun 14, 2012)

Yes, and it's big, heavy, expensive, and not all that great of a lens.

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OldScotch
By OldScotch (Jun 14, 2012)

The 24-120 is not as good as it should be for $1000+, especially compared to the Canon 24-105 and Nikon's own 24-70 for $500 more.
Obviously we don't know how the 24-85 will be, but $600 is a much more reasonable price for the common man's "everyday" lens

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bergat
By bergat (Jun 14, 2012)

From MTF Curve, the new lens seems better than the 24-120. Please go and see them

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pc168
By pc168 (Jun 14, 2012)

The 24-120 is no good (rather low price performance ratio)

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jun 14, 2012)

I can't imagine that any new lens from Nikon or Zeiss can be any worse than the odd 24-120f4VR , which was the worst lens I have ever used on my D700 and D800E.
And the 24-120f4Vr was expensive and bulky, so AFS24-85mm Vr cannot be worse than the 24-120f4VR.

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MEBEE
By MEBEE (Jun 16, 2012)

I really don't understand what's that with Nikon and 24-120...
Previous AF-S version was softest lens ever, and the new one is a bit better but much too expensive for what it offers.
On the other hand old 24-85 AF-S was very nice, and new one seams to offer even better IQ (according to MFT curves) and adds VR and sealing rubber gasket at similar price so it should be a great lens for upcoming D600.

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (Jun 14, 2012)

I have the old 24-85G (also used to own 24-85D before that) and this lens is tiny. It is decent and very small. Other than VR what is truly new in optical design in comparison to the old 24-85G I have?

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Jun 14, 2012)

2 More aspherics and 1 more element.
Compare the MTF charts and there seems to be a definite improvement. It's not going to be the perfect zoom for sure, but for it's size and weight it will do the previous version proud (which I own).

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Ilkka Nissilä
By Ilkka Nissilä (Jun 14, 2012)

The new 24-85 seems to offer more consistent quality across its range than the 24-120/4 but with a much lower price. So it may be better value.

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Jun 14, 2012)

"It's hard not to interpret the announcement ......"

In other words you've got a D600 in your office right now!

We can read between the lines you know....

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (Jun 14, 2012)

All I want to know if D600 truly will have MSRP of $1500 as rumors state, or is it more like $2000-2200

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Nismo350Z
By Nismo350Z (Jun 14, 2012)

@Hugo808
LoL! Seems DPReview can't even contain their own excitement at the unannounced entry-level FX camera so they're just tip-toeing around the NDA.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jun 14, 2012)

sure they do have it there and I think the D600 might be even a better camera than the D800E for many people (my self may be included here).

I think 24.6mp was the sweetspot for Nikon FX , I still love my A900 Sony and I think that camera was the best camera for my needs but I wanted to have something that takes all my ZF Zeiss primes and bought a D800E.
but the 24mp sensor is much easier to process and edit in CS6.
so, hope the D600 announced very soon , I might buy one and sell my D800E.

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FTW
By FTW (Jun 14, 2012)

I love the A900, but since I have the Nex-7, it takes dust. Same good picture, better high iso perf and much lighter to carry around. Wit the A adapter i get the same good shot and a better sharpness all-round. I use the A900 when I need dof, there the ff is amazingly better. One can not have it all, despite i can get as much dof as i want by changing the lens on the NEX

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Kelvin L
By Kelvin L (Jun 14, 2012)

Nothing wrong with using "cheap" lenses on a camera like the D800. There happens to be a guy out there shooting a Holga lens on a Phase One back.

Don't forget that current low-end DSLRs exceed the megapixel count of the first full-frame DSLR, the Canon 1Ds. Even back then there was muttering about non-L lenses not being worthy of this camera, which in hindsight is a bit silly.

I wouldn't have any problem using the new 24-85 on a D800 within its limitations - in fact, I'm looking forward to checking it out.

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viking79
By viking79 (Jun 14, 2012)

I agree completely. No one would complain about a 16-55mm f/2.2 to 2.8 zoom for APS-C for $600. That is what this is equivalent to.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (Jun 14, 2012)

but it is heavier. I mean the D800E weighs 900G , I much prefer D7000 shaped FX body with a new 24.6mp sensor or maybe this 36.3mp FX.

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Ahmet Aydogan
By Ahmet Aydogan (Jun 14, 2012)

Of course, we will all have to wait for some actual photos and tests to judge the IQ of this lens. As a pro shooter, though, I'm inclined to stay away from lenses that don't maintain light gathering ability throughout their entire zoom range. Also, the compromises that are necessitated by such a relatively low price are often tough to live with. When I see the IQ from my 85 1.4, 12-55 2.8, 28-70 2.8 and my 14-24 2.8 Nikkors, it becomes very difficult to accept compromise. Hopefully this will turn out to be a good lens that will be useful a large number of Nikon shooters.

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tabloid
By tabloid (Jun 14, 2012)

Before everybody starts bad mouthing or good mouthing the lenses, lets see what Dpreview has to say when they test the lenses....to me thats all that counts.
It would be interesting to see how the new Nikon 25-85 VR will compare to the new Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC (VR) head to head.
Both are supposed to be coming out end of this month (June)

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MikeNeufeld30
By MikeNeufeld30 (Jun 14, 2012)

Nikon is sure putting out product at a rapid Rate.. Is Canon Awake???

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (Jun 14, 2012)

"Is Canon Awake???"

It appears they are dead from the neck down. Over-priced over-hyped equipment like the 24-70 VII a 1DX that was announced nearly a year ago. No thanks......

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jun 14, 2012)

From the front element, it looks just like the old 24-85 which wasn't bad. They may be surprised at how many "pros" are willing to accept a lens, even if it is light and cheap.

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fabgo
By fabgo (Jun 14, 2012)

I wonder if it's sharper than the 24-120. The MTF at 24mm is encouraging, the MTF at 85mm less so.

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pc168
By pc168 (Jun 14, 2012)

I love it! This will be my D700 kit lens!

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 14, 2012)

"since it's hard to imagine large numbers of D800 owners using a lens with a recommended price of $599 as their everyday lens."

Funny comment, why would a LOW price be a problem it the IQ is good enough for D800. At least for people who are photographers, not poseurs. Are we expected to leave the price stickers on?

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (Jun 14, 2012)

lol. Indeed. Two of the VERY best lenses I have found for the D800 are the 105mm VR and the 85mm f/1.8G. I'm not sure you'd call either of them premium lenses with premium prices (at least not by todays standards) so the DPReview comment is ridiculous. It's clear however they are merely saying the D600 will be here soon, but maybe it would have been better just to say that :)

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marike6
By marike6 (Jun 14, 2012)

DPR has a habit of making this kinds of sweeping statements like "We can't imagine the majority of users..." that are head scratchers, but in this case they have a point as a lens like this with a variable aperture would probably not be the first choice of a D800 user. And there's a big difference between such a zoom and a Nikkor macro or fast portrait lens.

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Petka
By Petka (Jun 14, 2012)

If you read carefully the quote I included, they say only: "using a lens with a recommended price of $599", and no mention about the variable f-stop and slight slowness of the lens compared to f:2.8 "pro" lenses. While I have at my disposal* practically all Canon lenses from 16 to 400mm, it has not prevented me carrying only a 24-105 f:4 with me for a month, attached to a 5D2, when it was the most convenient solution, and gave good enough IQ.

*) I work for a publishing company.

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oscarvdvelde
By oscarvdvelde (Jun 14, 2012)

Seems DPR does not realize that even advanced amateurs have limited budgets and other priorities. We could save up our money for several years to get that good full frame DSLR and now DPR thinks "oh, so you are rich enough to afford the pro lenses!". Perhaps we might even buy more expensive lenses once we don't have to spend so much on the full frame camera alone!

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645D
By 645D (Jun 14, 2012)

I used to have the non-VR version of 24-85/3.5-4.5, super fast focus and sharp on D50. Wait to see how much better this VR update will be...

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (Jun 14, 2012)

I would certainly use a $599 lens to stick on my D800 (when I get one) for everyday use. I use the discontinued 24-85AFS all the time on my D700 and it's a great little lens.

If they have further improved the IQ and added VR with this latest edition then it will be a fantastic little lens. They also managed to not make it much bigger or heavier too

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alireza
By alireza (Jun 14, 2012)

hey Nikon, please don't forget to update 80-400. I've been waiting for that for long time.

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dgreene196
By dgreene196 (Jun 14, 2012)

The old 24-85 f/3.5-4.5 was my standard lens with an N65 and later a D40. A revised 24-85 with added VR is great news for owners of FX cameras!

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Jun 14, 2012)

good additions to Nikon lens lineup.

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