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Just Posted: Canon EOS 5D Mark III review

By dpreview staff on May 23, 2012 at 00:09 GMT

Just Posted: Our Canon EOS 5D Mark III review. The 22.3MP 5D Mark III appears to offer similar specifications to 2008's 5D Mark II. However, sensor and processing developments, along with a host of user-interface revisions mean the Mark III is a much more capable camera. It also gains a greatly-improved autofocus system. So do these changes justify the considerably higher price tag? Read our full review to find out.

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KAR-I
By KAR-I (May 23, 2012)

It's strange that some commentators have been writing aggressive statements about Canon 5D III !! I (an amateur) have been using Nikon(SLR& DSLR) and a lovely camera like Miranda(that of my parents) and occasionally I shoot with other marks including Pentax and Canon. Some professional guys actually prefer D4 and 5D III to D800. Anyway, they are different cameras and for different purposes.

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DonThomaso
By DonThomaso (May 23, 2012)

As a happy Pentax K-5 user, I'm not invested in either of the Canon/Nikon systems, but for me it I have a very hard time seeing who would choose the 5Dmk3 over the D800 if not invested in either system. Both are on their own surely great cameras, but comparing makes no sense.. the D800 simply beats the 5Dmk3 in almost all aspects. That is even before you factor in the price difference.

To me the rating never was important, but the very detailed reviews here at dpreview lets you get into the camera before actually buying them, knowing if it is suited for you. Who cares what number there were in the end of a review on the internet? It doesn't matter when you are out taking pictures.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 23, 2012)

@DonThomaso:"the D800 simply beats the 5Dmk3 in almost all aspects." Really? 4 fps is beats 6 fps? A practically useless LCD for manual focusing is better? Ever tried to AF near -2 eV?

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ppastoris
By ppastoris (May 23, 2012)

the thing is you *are* buying a system, so you need to take into account the price ans the choice of the lenses. No doubt Nikon has some very nice and very expensive lenses. However Canon has wider variety of generally less expensive yet excellent lenses, some of which Nikon does not even offer (e.g. 100-400/4-5.6, 70-200/4, a good quality analogue of 24-105/4, or a similarly priced analogue of 17-40/4).

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DonThomaso
By DonThomaso (May 23, 2012)

@photo nuts: almost every means not every single one. If those are decisive factors, then one should look at the Canon.

@ppastoris: absolutely! you will need to factor in what kind of lenses that suits you (and maybe some specific accessories too). However, you won't by all of the lenses, so finding a handful of lenses that works for you should be enough. More generally though, I feel that glass could be kept for longer and holds value better, so I might be willing to spend more on that.

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Dimitris Mitrovgenis
By Dimitris Mitrovgenis (May 23, 2012)

Same score.The thing is who can use it better!Stop being so obsessed with cameras.It's only a tool.

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El Crapio
By El Crapio (May 23, 2012)

You are right, but that's not the point. It is a review of a product... the review is biased, and that is what the problem is as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes Nikon will make a better camera, sometimes Canon will make a better camera. An impartial reviewer has to tell things for what they are. Other than that I agree with you.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (May 23, 2012)

If everybody makes great cameras what are you doing here? And what is the sense of all reviews?

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Dimitris Mitrovgenis
By Dimitris Mitrovgenis (May 23, 2012)

The thing that caught my attention was the reaction of some Nikon shooters,they act like the world disappeared under their feet.
One question for them.Ok Nikon is better,are you know a better photographer?Can you sleep better at nights?Will you visit the DPreview forums now that they decided that the cameras are equal?

This is waste of time and time is so valuable these days!!!!!!

Either camera will not make anyone better photographer.

Do you want a camera that will take frames without the photographer?
That will be the ultimate camera for gear heads.

I don't want the perfect camera.I enjoy the limitations because I like challenges.(think of that again)
Regards Dimitris

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (May 23, 2012)

Canon's definition of "silent shutter" is interesting.

I tested two copies in a store and it sounds like some strings would be loose inside after its shutter and mirror closes.

Zoom button position is now very ackward, if one need to use live view together with manual focusing. With 5D mkII zoom buttons could be controlled using thumb.

With not too much improvement in DR nor detail level over mkII, I don't think 1000€ price rise is justified.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (May 23, 2012)

"I don't think 1000 price rise is justified"

Yen/€ rate does not care.

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dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (May 23, 2012)

Fanboys are the worst thing to happen to photography. My clients don't care what I shoot as long I get them what they need. I plan on getting a 5D3 Mark 2 and a D800. Why? Because one will do certain projects the other one will not do.

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (May 23, 2012)

A 5D3 Mk2 eh? I imagine you'll have a long wait.

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raztec
By raztec (May 23, 2012)

These guys at DPR are the best. So smart to give it the exact same score as the D800 to watch the Nikon & Canon fanboys duke it out. I love how predictable some people are with their emotional attachments to inanimate objects.

Go at it boys...

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SunLyte
By SunLyte (May 23, 2012)

Only a fanboy would make a comment like this in the first place.

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Jens Roved
By Jens Roved (May 23, 2012)

SunLyte: Only a stalker makes a comment like yours.

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draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

Techradar review is much better than dpreview.

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

You're right about one thing today. That review is at least certainly more truthful. At least they had the guts to say it exactly as it is:

"the majority of the systems have been seen elsewhere in the Canon DSLR lineup, and therefore there is nothing really groundbreaking"

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Lea5
By Lea5 (May 23, 2012)

Identical score between D800 and 5DIII at Techradar as well.
4.5 to 4.5

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seta666
By seta666 (May 23, 2012)

What a review!! they do like HDR mode and dislike complexity of focus system. No word on low DR, high NR etc
No worth reading

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draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

noise and dynamic range review here
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs-hybrids/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-1074186/review/page:5#articleContent

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Collie Camp
By Collie Camp (May 23, 2012)

Mmmhh...Techradar seems to review lots of Mobile Phones and Stuff.

What Part of the review is better? Seems to be a pretty simple review...

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draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

At least nikon has not controled it yet

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seta666
By seta666 (May 23, 2012)

D800 and 5D mkII same score, this is a joke !! Nikon boast the best sensor to date while Canon lives on the past. Video which is one of its big selling points on the 5D mkIII is worst than on a GH2.

Dpreview is becoming an advertising brochure from a shopping mall; they should learn something about reviewing from DXOmark

By the way, I use Canon; but I would like someone to tell Canon to do things right

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Jahled
By Jahled (May 23, 2012)

What a retarded comment. There is more to a camera than the sensor, and your language enforces my belief it is actually Nikon fan boys who stir all this brand loyalty nonsense.

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SunLyte
By SunLyte (May 23, 2012)

No, actually the sensor is pretty much the bread and butter of a DSLR since lenses are interchangeable and the D800 has the best sensor around in 35mm format.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (May 23, 2012)

If it was the other way around the Cannot fanboys would be reading diatribe like "Canon's revolutionary new sensor wins the MP race".

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (May 24, 2012)

I guess your reaction to the actual TEXT of the MANY pages of the review was "TL;DR"? You jumped to the score with a preconceived notion that a Canon cannot be as good as a Nikon? Pointless.

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draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

here comes the impressive review by techradar
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs-hybrids/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-1074186/review

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Collie Camp
By Collie Camp (May 23, 2012)

Not worth reading imo

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

lol. Techradar hold the same poor levels of credibility as DPReview does. When they reviewed the D800 they gave one of the pros as "large images" and one of the cons as "large file sizes". This is the stupidest pair of statements I've ever seen together. I really wouldn't rely on them for any credible information at all, they even regurgitate all of the information from the rumour sites.

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El Crapio
By El Crapio (May 23, 2012)

Seems legit... LOL. Impartiality took a dive here.

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (May 23, 2012)

Wow! What a coincidence!

Somehow all the tests and assessments produced the identical score as the D800!

:) :) :)

;)

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 23, 2012)

Absolutely gutless. $3500 and a sensor older than I am. On the other hand, incredulity will wear off quickly, and DPR can move on to the next order of business. If they had given it 81 or 83 this would drag out forever, and I don't think the DPR reviewers are up for that. Onward, valiant steeds! Shelter by nightfall!

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grafli
By grafli (May 23, 2012)

"and a sensor older than I am" are you like one year old? :-P

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 23, 2012)

If you want reality, I could be 5 years old and still younger than the 5DIII sensor.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 23, 2012)

Funny thought...have you ever raised a child? Just think, all the way through birth, the terrible twos, learning to talk, and off to kindergarten, all during the life-cycle of this sensor.

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Javier CR
By Javier CR (May 23, 2012)

What is wrong with being older than the Sony sensor? Are all Nikon fanboys becoming stupid? You are using the same arguments you refute years ago.

It's older, yes, and what? Have you ever try a Contax Zeiss lens from the seventies? Or a Leica? They just pis s off any Nikon/Canon lens from nowdays and they are probably older than you.

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (May 23, 2012)

Perhaps because one is based on technology, which moves at an alarming rate, whereas the other is based on craftsmanship, something which is fast becoming a dying art. In other words - poor analogy.

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panoviews
By panoviews (May 23, 2012)

The 5D III has an excellent body with an "old" sensor and a tough price tag. My vote goes for a cheaper and lightweight MFT system like the Olympus OM-D together with a Nikon D800 and a couple of primes for high-res work.

My needs are different and Canon doesn't offer adequate products for my needs right now. So bye bye Canon...

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (May 23, 2012)

My understanding is D800 for high resolution and 5DIII for Hi ISO.

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (May 23, 2012)

Ditto. I feel Canon is pandering more to the videographer than photographer these days with their high-end cameras. They failed to address some fundamental issues with the mk3, for my needs anyway. Likewise, after 30 years, 'bye bye Canon'.

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vFunct
By vFunct (May 23, 2012)

Pro cameras really need to bring in more of the post-processing and editing workflow into the camera, like the "Rate" button that this has, to speed up professional productions.

Amateurs obviously don't need in-camera editing, since they have plenty of time to do everything afterwards, but professionals need to compete and have deadlines, in addition to new competition from social media phone cameras these days to get their stories published.

It would be useful to have rate, cropping, straightening, exposure, and white-balance adjustment, in obvious and easy-to-use controls on camera. Maybe bring in a second step of toning and color-grading once the selects are done as well, all in camera.

And then, finally to allow publishing, onto a server like Getty and social media.

All should be done in-camera, quickly, without being difficult-to-use.

This is what would be REALLY useful.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 23, 2012)

This is incredible. Here we are using 16mb lightning boxes with 2TB hard drives to grind through these files. Who knew a camera could have the processing power to do it in nano-seconds? Are you serious about this? At best it is usable for vacation shots of little Jimmy smiling through the hole in the lion statue at the zoo. But you're the pro, not me. If you can sell it........

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JWest
By JWest (May 23, 2012)

Of course cameras have the processing power to do it. What they don't have is the screen. Who in their right mind would want to attempt professional post-processing on a 3" LCD?

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SunLyte
By SunLyte (May 23, 2012)

@BackInTheGame
The camera has ASICs specificaly designed to process images - that's really the only thing they can do so they can do it faster than a general-purpose processor like the CPU in a computer or workstation. That said, I'd rather do PP work on a computer and not on the dinky LCD screen of a camera.

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vFunct
By vFunct (May 23, 2012)

@BackInTheGame
As an ex ASIC Designer myself, I can tell you a custom ASIC is about 1000x faster than a general purpose CPU for any specific task. It is why 3-D GPU chips are about 1000x faster than doing 3-D graphics on the CPU. Same with signal processing, encryption, etc. Custom ASICs generally are about 1000x faster for any particular task.

@JWest
The 15 million people that use Instagram do post-processing work rather quickly on their 3.5" screens.

@SunLyte
I'd much rather do post-processing work on the camera screen. Don't need to introduce a computer into a rapid workflow, waste time transferring, etc.

Leave the computer for people that don't have deadlines to meet.

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vFunct
By vFunct (May 23, 2012)

The "Rate" button is a very good idea and would totally help photojournalists in post-processing and editing quicker, especially when they have to make a deadline in an hour or so.

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Photo_AK
By Photo_AK (May 23, 2012)

Setting the same score to two competative cameras?

DPR, do you know what the term CREDIBILITY means?

Google it ...

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Lionel Lam
By Lionel Lam (May 23, 2012)

The scoring is subjective. What the 5D MIII lacks when compared with the D800, it makes up for it in other areas. The same is true for the D800.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (May 23, 2012)

@ Lionel Lam
the camera is build around sensor. Just like the the car around engine. In that car terms here are two Mercedes but one with Daimler engine, another with Daewoo. And the one with Daewoo motor cost more than the one with Daimler.
I can't understand how this two "cars" can get the same rating.

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JazzMasta
By JazzMasta (May 23, 2012)

When it comes to Nikon and Canon, it's really a matter of taste and preferences. All some guys wanna do is to say that you have the best camera "according to dpreview" (for the moment).

If you really change your entire system based on the dpreview-score of the latest models then you should really ask yourself what the hell you're doing!

Both cameras are great, choose one based on YOUR OWN experience, stop discussing brands, and start shooting!

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 23, 2012)

A camera is built around a lot more than a sensor.

Have you never noticed that the top of the line cameras of BOTH Canon and Nikon have fewer megapixels than the advanced amateur bodies?

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Javier CR
By Javier CR (May 23, 2012)

The same story with Nikon fanboys again and again. Now imagine you try those 2 Mercedes. Both run at top speed, both have the same acceleration, steering, handling, both have the same confort level, etc. Your experience and results is exactly the same with both cars. What would you think? Or Daewoo is performing really well or Daimler engine is not such a jewel.
The same applies here. If a sensor like the Canon, which is good but not cutting edge technology (ok, old), packed in a body like 5D3 can perform at the same level as the Nikon system and get the same results... It's pretty clear that:
1) Or Canon sensor are really good, stable and mature technology, and they can last much longer on the stage.
2) Or new Sony sensor is not so 'revolutionary' or 'oh my god I would kill for one of those'.
I firmly believe both points are happening at the same time. I was expecting much more from the 'Top Tec' and 'So acclaimed' D800.

By the way, I'm not Canon fanboy, use both systems. ;-)

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Plastek
By Plastek (May 23, 2012)

"the camera is build around sensor" - you have no slightest idea how cameras are designed. Sensor is usually one of the LAST things that are added to the camera, even solely because each manufacturer wants to push most recent one onto the market. Sometimes cameras might be made with certain sensor in mind, but it usually happens in entry level where bodies are far simpler.

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Lionel Lam
By Lionel Lam (May 23, 2012)

@ZAnton
Maybe DPreview is trying to be politically correct here. This Canon vs. Nikon issue, with both Canon and Nikon users at each other's throats, could get pretty messy. I guess DPreview is trying to bring 'balance to the force'. Cameras, like cars, are just tools, with some bells and whistles ;)

I've been following DPreview for years, but only joined recently, and this is the first time I noticed much commotion about the scoring. I prefer to go straight to the image samples page, download a couple of full-sized samples, and examine them personally.

Just for humor's sake, a KIA with a Mercedes engine won't make many drivers very excited =)

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

No surprises here: " it is clear that even at base ISO some visibly destructive noise reduction is applied to the image. This results in very clean images which lack some of the low-contrast detail you would find in fine textures such as fur or foliage in the distance. A comparatively aggressive default sharpening leads to traces of 'sharpening halos' around high-contrast edges. Noise reduction increases as you go up the ISO scale but the destruction of fine detail becomes more obvious once you reach ISO 3200"

Mushy JPEGs with fine detail that's been "destroyed". Hmmmm and this was meant to be Canon's top selling point for this camera, a claim of a "2 stop reduction in noise". Everyone knew that statement was a joke when it was announced. This is all no real surprise though - anyone would come to this conclusion looking at any sample anywhere out of the camera.

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

Further, what I think is stunning is that so many so called professionals continue to rely on JPEGs pouring out of their camera. I don't get this obsession. Is it that because RAW output from Canon is so unbelievably poor? Is it because their proprietary software does such a poor job of conversion? It certainly sounds like it...

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

Further still, I can only buy JPEG shooting in limited circumstances only: say a sports reporter who must stream images to a website or similar media outlet almost as events happen, you could excuse some loss of fine detail for that. But someone who's paid to shoot a wedding and then does so in JEPG is not providing the best output they can, pure and simple. It doesn't sound like a 5DMKIII is the right companion for that sort of game. As for everyone else who buys a 5DMKIII to shoot JPEG they might as well pick up any other point and shoot because JEPG shooting is purely for amateurs if you lose all of the power of the RAW file. Was this what Canon had in mind for the 5DMKIII - the purely amateur market? Sounds like you need to wait for the outrageously overpriced, non-existent and overhyped 1DX that is sitting in pieces in a Canon Developer's bedroom somewhere and prey the RAW output is better I guess but I somehow doubt they will have suddenly evolved the sensor even for the 1DX.

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dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (May 23, 2012)

Jpegs look fine, no one is looking at these at 100% with their face right up close.

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seta666
By seta666 (May 23, 2012)

In a small print or at 25% on screen noise is not an issue anyway; I rather have grain like noise than whased up pictures. from fiorst time I saw those JPG preview images I said NR in 5D was way too much

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draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

why you so stress on the dpreview called: "destructive noise reduction". Can you see it or you just heard from dpreview? I'm sure all people here want to see, except nikon boys want to hear.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (May 23, 2012)

@russbarnes. I shoot only in RAW on my 5D Mk1 as the jpegs are not great but the RAW is excellent. I shoot jpeg on my 60D as I don't have CS5 or the latest Lightroom and don't want to to do the RAW/DNG/jpg steps. Too many large files and too much time involved. Most photographers would want to shoot RAW with a full frame camera.

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Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (May 23, 2012)

People who shoot JPEG are typically your photographers who are shooting for someone else. I get hired as a freelance journalist and when clients want to see all 1300 photos of a 3 hour event I covered, shooting in JPEG to sacrifice quality over quantity pays dividends in the real world. I typically don't have the luxury to run home and process 1300 RAWs to JPEGs, and furthermore, my client never has an adequate workstation for me to do this for them. So JPEG it is when shooting for others and must strive for convenience.

Point and shoot cameras don't have the feasibility for my line of work.

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (May 23, 2012)

Interesting in conclusion DPreview determine that D800 has the upper hand in the Movie/Video Mode over the 5D MarkIII performance. In the same time the reputable TIPA ( Technical Image Press Association ) awarded the Canon 5D MarkIII as the Best Video Digital SLR for 2012 .....!!!!!

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SunLyte
By SunLyte (May 23, 2012)

Even more interesting is that the GH2 still does video better than either of them and almost never gets mentioned.

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yazki
By yazki (May 23, 2012)

I just wonder how Dpreview weighting parameter for review, ....

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/2456781228/photos/1979688/5dmk3vsd800

Dark Green --> 5DMK3 better than D800
Grey --> D800 better than 5DMK3

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

The reviewer tries too hard to be different with his reviews compared to others but end up making himself lack credibility.

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plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

Agreed

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (May 24, 2012)

Why does he lack credibility? Because he does not dismiss the camera? As an owner of the same camear I know how good it is, have you even touched one to form your opinion? Or have you decided that someone else out there is the "truth" in the matter and anyone who deviates is thus Wrong?

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AnHund
By AnHund (May 23, 2012)

Very diplomatic to give 5DIII and D800 the same score :-)

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

You mean it's the most boring politically charged outcome this century. The D800 and 5DMKIII are so different I'm not even sure they should be in the same category. Everyone is more concerned with comparisons between Hasselblad or the 645D with the D800 rather than the 5DMKIII. No one even thinks of comparing the 5DMKIII in these terms because it's not even worth starting.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (May 23, 2012)

I wonder how much $$$$ Canon paid for that review.

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Javier CR
By Javier CR (May 23, 2012)

D800 and 5D3 so different? Russ, if you cannot get the same picture you took with your D800 with the 5D3, you have a serious problem. If you think D800 will make you a better photographer, I wouldl invest the money in a good photographic course.
There are plenty of master pictures taken with a D3100 or 550D coming from expertised hands.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (May 23, 2012)

@russbarnes. So different? Both Full frame DSLRs aimed at semi pro market. Both with video. 22Mp vs 36Mp but the difference is not as great as you imagine. Compare http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougbm/7254474288/in/photostream with http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougbm/7254255472/in/photostream

@Javier CR. Agreed

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Javier CR
By Javier CR (May 23, 2012)

Actually I can see more detail coming from the 5D3 pictures Dougbm_2 posted.

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Great British Landscapes
By Great British Landscapes (May 23, 2012)

Wow, you boys really missed the point. The D800 and D800E challenges the whole of the Medium Format market, it may well be years now until Canon comes close to making a claim like that.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview skipped the findings on page 23 in their conclusions? The Issues with RAW lattitude as displayed there would clearly classify as a con vs competition.

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Tim Ashton
By Tim Ashton (May 23, 2012)

So what is DP review hiding???
Normally on he page showing dynamic range (page 19 in this case) there are comparative wedges below the chart which highlight the performance of the camera under review with its immediate competitors
with the 5D3 those comparative wedges are missing. everyone knows that the D800/exmore sensor wins here, but to hide the results only suggests the difference is worse than it actually is in real life; or is it?
It is a pity that DP review no longer has the courage to be truly objective (See comments by Taikonaut)
Did Canon/Nikon get in Amazon/DPreviews ear??
We al lose:(

Tim

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (May 23, 2012)

The DR comparisons by Dpreview on that page typically reflect jpeg contrast/gamma curves and do not show sensor DR, which tends to be much larger than any jpeg can display. Page 23 gives a small hint of the sensor DR by comparing shadow noise.

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

The DR comparisons by DPR reflect JPEG contrast/gamma curves you say? In other words, they are of little interest except to JPEG shooters. By not analyzing RAW dynamic range in the comparison between the D800 vs 5D3 you negate the huge 3 EV DR advantage that the D800 has over the 5D3. Curious.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (May 23, 2012)

Correct. It's one of the biggest omissions in their reviews, although as said page 23 highlights some of the DR handicap at low ISO. What baffles me more is that none of those findings returns in the conclusions, especially knowing that all crop cameras carrying Sony sensors already perform much better in this area.

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview thinks the LCD screen rating for D800 is just as good as the 5DIII despite the fact the 5DIII LCD has higher resolution. Almost every reviews and users of both systems thinks Canon has better LCD by a country mile. Also D800 innacurate colour cast on LCD issue was disregarded.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 23, 2012)

It's not the LCD resolution that makes the difference. Rather, it's how Nikon implements selective pixel line display on the LCD that renders the latter useless for critical focusing check. The D700 does not have this problem.

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

But there is no colour cast on the D800 screen. Not sure what you think you know but you're plain wrong.

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

There is a green colour cast which does not match the files. D700, D3 and D3s does not suffer from it.

Comment edited 21 seconds after posting
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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 23, 2012)

Sorry, wrong again. The LCD of the D800 is matched to the sRGB colour space and I have tested this. You clearly don't know anything about colour calibration and just picked up a random comment from somewhere just like all of the other Canon fanboys who are so terrified of the D800. The LCDs Nikon used before now were not sRGB calibrated. Please stop spreading FUD about a camera you clearly haven't even touched. The LCD on the D800 is the most colour accurate I've ever seen.

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SunLyte
By SunLyte (May 23, 2012)

The D800 has an awesome LCD screen but I'm usually using the viewfinder. I like surprises so I wait until I load the images into LR to find out what I got.

0 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview gave D800 a higher score for video than the 5DIII. It is the only review that put the D800 ahead on video despite moire and aliasing problems with the Nikon. Maybe dpreview only rates video based on out of camera rather than what you can do with grading the video.

3 upvotes
draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

To see is to believe. Dpreview today has followed DXO to become nikon supporter

0 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 23, 2012)

@Draculavn,

Meaby you should seek professional help. You need it to overcome your fear of different opinions, brands and your brand loyalty to Canon.

Your opinion does not change anybody others minds.
The harder your disgust of Nikon the clearer it becomes your a Canon fanboy.

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20 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

You can talk about moire, but the low-resolution, softer appearance of the 5D3 no doubt hurt it's video score. Canon corrected some of the 5D2 moire problems at the expense of resolution.

1 upvote
RicardoPhotos
By RicardoPhotos (May 23, 2012)

These are both excellent cameras. The technology in them is crazy good. A great photographer would be fine with either...

8 upvotes
draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

From compared photos shown here, it's easy to see 5D Mark III clearly beats d800 in the fields of white balance, color tone and contrast. That's what I need and I will purchase a new 5D Mark III soon

dpreview just focus the issue of visible noise reduction which we never see. Some issue that we face just a few times in photography.

This review from techradar is much more impressive and fair
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs-hybrids/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-1074186/review

2 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (May 23, 2012)

You clearly have never seen the output of the D800.

However I can understand your envy against the D800 as it has higher resolution, deeper DR and better image quality overall.

Wait another three years and the tables might turn again.

20 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (May 23, 2012)

@draculavn: You are so ridiculous. One of the fiercest canon fanboys around. At least other fanboys exagerate some features and hide the downsider, you're just plain making stuff up. And if the 5D3 rings your bell so loudly, just go out there and buy one, put your money where your mouth is and give us a break. Canon had the edge in sensor technology with until 2007, generations change, you know !

1 upvote
c_henry
By c_henry (May 23, 2012)

@draculavn: you're taking this way too seriously. It's just a camera.

0 upvotes
dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (May 23, 2012)

I own both systems and Canon does some things better and Nikon does some things better for me. I have never understood the fanboy fighting. All of you are paying full price for this gear but act like these cameras are your children.

9 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

Everyone knows both of them are great cameras. The major drawback of 5D3 is the pricing, not the jpeg quality described at the reviewers conclusion. If 5D3 is $500-$1000 less than D800, I would completely agree with you and the reviewer.

4 upvotes
Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview gave the Jpeg a low score and probably the only major weak point. Most people consider Jpeg on the 5DIII a strong point better than any of its rivals. No other reviews thinks 5DIII Jpegs a weak point. Now that is a surprise!

4 upvotes
draculavn
By draculavn (May 23, 2012)

We clearly see that 5D mark III has better white balance, color tone and contrast. While dpreview just focus on the issue of visible noise reduction to give low point for canon over jpeg quality.

0 upvotes
nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (May 23, 2012)

draculavn: you clearly see that, no one else seems to. i clearly saw mushiness, lack of detail, lower DR than the competiotion, overpricing, so on and so forth.

4 upvotes
wkay
By wkay (May 23, 2012)

Well at least they had the decency to use the same lens (50mm f1.4) for both 5d2 and 5d3 reviews.

1 upvote
GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 23, 2012)

"Please tell me mine's bigger. Please tell me mine's bigger."

I swear the posts to this place just get more and more idiotic.

Swings and roundabouts people. I guess fans of one camera company have been down so long this looks like up to them. There are legit reasons for choosing both bodies.

If Nikon had a swevled dorfspangler, the fanboys would be yelling how no one could take a decent photograph without a swevled dorfspangler.

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7 upvotes
bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (May 23, 2012)

Mushy jpegs so the wedding guys will have to stop being so lazy shooting jpegs and use RAW, what a great joke to play on them

2 upvotes
pc168
By pc168 (May 23, 2012)

Well that's simple. N fanboys could upgrade to D800 while C fanboys may consider 5DMark3, problem solved, case closed.

1 upvote
dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (May 23, 2012)

If video is part of the score than shoot the cameras in front of the same targets. Moire, aliasing, color, resolution should be rated in subjective tests, not opinions. You already have the targets, shot video and compare still grabs. If you are too lazy to do that then don't include video in the score or score video separately.

0 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

82%. Ok, this scoring system is nothing but embarrasing for all of us, C or N fanboys, the sponsors and the reviewer himself. Dpreview should just stop this scoring system which is completely meaningless.

5 upvotes
c_henry
By c_henry (May 23, 2012)

What should it have got?

0 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

I said Dpreview scoring system itself is meaningless.

1 upvote
Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (May 23, 2012)

Agreed. Maybe an A+, A, A-, B+, B, B- etc system is a bit better. Anyway how the hell is either the D800 or 5DMKIII not worthy of over 90 anyway?

0 upvotes
Jonathan F/2
By Jonathan F/2 (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview scores are definitely tainted. The D800 and 5Dm3 get the same score? So despite having 36mp and being $500 USD cheaper, you guys feel the 5D mark III is equal to the D800? The cons for the D800 are more like niggles, while the cons for the 5Dm3 are issues of concern. And even stated on the 5Dm3 review itself "Scoring is relative only to the other cameras in the same category." Yeah right.

34 upvotes
645D
By 645D (May 23, 2012)

DPR has a tradition of awarding equal scores to the top C & N bodies. Both 1Dmk4 and D3s got 89% two years ago.

0 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

Even if this is a tradition, dpreview should understand that this final score makes us feel that

The Whole Review is Tainted

and discourages us from reading the whole review.

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15 upvotes
photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 23, 2012)

Relative prices of D800 and 5D3 differ from one country/region to another. Where i live, the D800 is MORE expensive than the 5D3 by ~ US$100.

2 upvotes
photo nuts
By photo nuts (May 23, 2012)

@plasnu: The last time I checked, DPReview is a FREE website. So, you can simply choose to walk away.

3 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (May 23, 2012)

Hey Nuts, You may not understand the responsibility of the journalism. Dpreview is not a Mr. Mike DPreview's blog.

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9 upvotes
Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (May 23, 2012)

I believe people put too much weight on the percentage number used in Dpreview's scoring method. This is a good reason why a review site that goes as in depth about products as Dpreview does shouldn't have the bottom line of their reviews be a numerical value. It only sets off dissidence from those who wish to dissect the very specific details Dpreview's reviews are known for. I wouldn't go so far as to call Dpreview scores 'tainted' because of the weight that people are placing on a single numerical value, however, I will say that they need to revamp their chosen scoring system because of the furor we are seeing from the dissident audience who seem to think, "one camera MUST be better than the other, therefore anyone who disagrees with this logic is utterly wrong, including Dpreview."

To Dpreview, I say ditch the percentage numbers all together and stick with the Gold, Silver and Bronze awards if you want a more reputable bottom line in reviews.

3 upvotes
Jonathan F/2
By Jonathan F/2 (May 23, 2012)

@ Photo nuts, why does your profile say you're based in the United States? Last I checked, the USA has the same $3999 price tag across the country.

@ Kane Joseph - I agree, it's probably better to just abolish the numerical system and stick to the award system. If the cameras were reversed specs-wise I'd still question DPreview's scoring system. So this isn't a Nikon vs Canon issue, this is about DPreview getting their scoring straight.

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2 upvotes
Anderss
By Anderss (May 23, 2012)

@ photo nuts
Really?
If someone criticize the content of the review, your only answer is to leave dpr?
come on.....jesuzz

0 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (May 23, 2012)

Are you passed the 30 day return on your D800? Don't worry, its still just as good of a camera that it was a few days ago.

1 upvote
JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (May 24, 2012)

I'd say that focusing on a silly percentage score at the end is unprofessional conduct: Read the preceding text for the actual review contents. Or spend the time taking pictures to improve your photography instead of whining about someone's opinion.

0 upvotes
friedbrains
By friedbrains (May 25, 2012)

it is not easy making a tech reviews, i know i have blogged about it and wrote on some forums as well, however the right thing to do is always be honest...

why many here are crying foul, is the fact that when you add up all the features and plus factors, it seems as though that the D800 wins it! the fact that the reviewers did not justify why then the same score between the 5DMK3 and D800, is BS! if you are biased, just have the balls to admit it, or else just write why it ended that way... just my 0.2

and yea, i am not writing which cam is best, i can't do that, since i have not reviewed both cams, i do have an opinion about it, but that is besides the point... i am writing on the basis of the reviews, all i am saying is have the balls, just don't BS us!

0 upvotes
K_Photo_Teach
By K_Photo_Teach (May 23, 2012)

Great time to be a photographer with some great cameras coming out, I do think that both the D800 & 5D Mark III need to have a lack of in body stabilisation marked down as cons ! It can grab you more light has obvious advantages

1 upvote
JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (May 24, 2012)

Nikon and Canon (and some others) consider it a market advantage to put any stabilization into the lenses because that makes them more expensive and thus reducing (in theory) the third-party competition in the lens department.

0 upvotes
ddolde
By ddolde (May 23, 2012)

No mention of the light leak and black tape fix ? Seems like a major negative.

3 upvotes
Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (May 23, 2012)

Not major. They have fixed it.

2 upvotes
Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (May 23, 2012)

OMG OMG, such a powerful camera. I played with a friend's for a while and the shutter is so quiet it felt as if there is a spring damper pushing the mirror back.

Nikon, Canon and SONY, please put a FF sensor inside a D5100, 600D, A57 body.

3 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (May 23, 2012)

So how is the data for the new IQ graphs compiled?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/18

Looking at the 5D MkIII RAW noise, (noise reduction set to zero), it appears that the 5D MkIII, MkII and D800 actually produce more noise at all ISO's than the the APS-C sensor used in the Pentax K-5.

Am I reading the graph wrong or is the data wrong?
http://g3.img-dpreview.com/C530CBEACF7C45B7AA198AF6D56F8C85.jpg

0 upvotes
stanic042
By stanic042 (May 23, 2012)

check out the minimal read noise for these sensors, you are right about the K5
http://www.sensorgen.info/

0 upvotes
snowboarder
By snowboarder (May 23, 2012)

Seriously? Both D800 and 5D III - 82% Gold
Great job, POLITICALLY CORRECT :(

25 upvotes
645D
By 645D (May 23, 2012)

I am about to say the same thing. Now C&N is a politically sensitive issue...

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (May 23, 2012)

Thanks for confirming what I'm seeing. If you keep the ISO low, they're both great. If you really need 6400 (or even 4000) they're both pretty noisy but the D800's noise is a little less bad. Where Nikon is far ahead is with the jpgs which is great news for Ken Rockwell but doesn't help me much. I'm glad I kept the D700 because it just seems cleaner than the mkII, mkIII or D800. I've owned them all so I'm looking at the images, not a DxO report. Mostly using the 5D mk III but at night or low light, it's the D700. The 16-35VR helps, too.

What I don't see in the review (maybe I missed it) is recommendations for NR with RAW. Page 143 of the manual seems to say that high ISO NR can be applied to RAW.

1 upvote
rusty_shooter
By rusty_shooter (May 23, 2012)

wow I'm just totally surprise by how many folks shoot in JPEG mode and not RAW. personally I would never shot in JPEG with a camera of this caliber. mainly because I want maximum control over my images. but you know that just me, from what I see from the review I better start gathering up some cash, haha. I've been waiting for this camera for a long time and I'm glad I built up an L collection.

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Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (May 23, 2012)

JPEGs are used mainly for convenience. While it is true that a camera of this caliber deserves to be shot in RAW most if not all of the time, photographers who shoot for convenience shoot in JPEG. I work in photojournalism, so when I shoot for a client, most of time I shoot in JPEG because of time constraints and not having a sufficient work station to adequately work on photos on my own time. When you get to the point of shooting several thousands of photos per week, the convenience of JPEGs pays dividends. On the occasion I do shoot for pleasure, you can be sure I want to push out the best my camera offers, which is when I shoot RAW.

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4 upvotes
Lionel Lam
By Lionel Lam (May 23, 2012)

I have to agree with Kane. The Jpeg engines of most cameras these day do a fantastically wonderful job if you get most of the work done (composition etc) before you release the shutter. I shoot 99% of the time in Jpeg mode and only occasionally in Raw when I need to get the best results, in terms of dynamic range, for example. As much as I would like to think that laziness is the cause for some (or most? please enlighten me) people to choose Jpeg over Raw, I think shooting 100% of the time in Raw makes little economic sense IF you are in the business of constantly moving around and taking pictures. I would also like to point out that shooting in Jpeg could mean spending less time in front of the computer, and more time out in the field, taking real pictures.

1 upvote
cpkuntz
By cpkuntz (May 23, 2012)

Thank you for including Andrew Reid's comments. I love using the 5D Mark III and am excited by the prospect of filming video with it, but highlighting his remarks will serve to push Canon in the direction of releasing a DSLR with good resolution out of camera without a hack (physical or software). That kind of pressure is warranted and welcome.

0 upvotes
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (May 23, 2012)

I don't believe that Canon would give a pace behind launching an improvement of MKII with worse JPEG image quality. Make no sense this affirmation. Canon would not forget what it learnt building camera to make that one worse than the old model. What did happen? It was at a software (correctable) or at a sensor/low pass filter level? In any case I need to see this to believe to. I always found my 5D MKII with a soft JPEG image, as happened with all Canon I had. I rarely shoot in Raw format. Sometimes I think DP needs to choose some vague flaw to show. Why Gold Award then?

0 upvotes
dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (May 23, 2012)

The video function of the D800 and 5D Mark 3 should be evaluated in a separate score with standardized test. Rate the cameras with a Stills and Video score Separate. It is utterly ridiculous that a still camera score should be dragged down by video, a non primary function. The outside opinion included on the Mark 3 test is skewed. The GH2 is a hack setting, the 5d3 is not. Magic Lantern says they have loaded it on a 5D3 and still testing. I find it irresponsible to include a non standardized opinion in the test without an even playing field. That being said, The 5D3 is not the sharpest but my gawd, the moire on the D800 is not good. a Standardized test will show this but dpreview doesn't do it.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (May 23, 2012)

Well yippity-doo-dah they gave the rival camera the same score, big deal!!
Since when does anyone care so much if one gets a higher score than the other, if anyone's interested in getting either and is solely basing their decision on whatever percentage score given then there's a bigger problem.
Read through the review and see for yourself what's what; you don't like that but welcome this? You'd prefer that feature but don't mind the other camera's?
Don't be so keen on seeing one do better on the scoring then another, you have your own needs and preferences, if you think one's better then get it, end of story.

4 upvotes
sweetsonic
By sweetsonic (May 23, 2012)

If Dpreview had given either the D800 or 5DMkIII a higher score than the other, the Internets would have esploded...

13 upvotes
teeranui
By teeranui (May 23, 2012)

5D 2 sound like a bargain.

2 upvotes
Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (May 23, 2012)

Nah....if you need good focusing...i guess you have the center point...besides that the focusing leave much to be desired.

BUT....if you can find one for $1500....i would buy it. That would be a great price/bargin.

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