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Just Posted: Canon EOS 5D Mark III review

By dpreview staff on May 23, 2012 at 00:09 GMT
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Just Posted: Our Canon EOS 5D Mark III review. The 22.3MP 5D Mark III appears to offer similar specifications to 2008's 5D Mark II. However, sensor and processing developments, along with a host of user-interface revisions mean the Mark III is a much more capable camera. It also gains a greatly-improved autofocus system. So do these changes justify the considerably higher price tag? Read our full review to find out.

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FastFisher
By FastFisher (May 24, 2012)

I am a Canon user. But I can't help but feeling that Dpreview just lost all the credibility with this silly review.

4 upvotes
ehliysehr
By ehliysehr (May 25, 2012)

have you actually used or owned the 5dMk3? talk about credibility!

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (May 24, 2012)

On the Nikon forums there have been almost no 5D3 posts, while on the Canon forum at one point there were so D800 questions, DPR had to step in to disallow D800 posts.

Nikon has likely gained many more switchers, and have clearly won this round. That DPR seems to have ignored sensor and image quality and scored these two cameras as equivalent is frankly an epic fail.

9 upvotes
sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (May 24, 2012)

Offer less features + charge more than the competition = Canon's recipe for success.

At least Canon added something to the MkIII that we haven't seen on a DSLR for some time.......mushy jpegs.

7 upvotes
grafli
By grafli (May 24, 2012)

BTW: more MP itn't a feature...
And the MkIII has the best AF on the market today.
You should shoot RAW anyway for best quality.
Jpeg's only get Mushy from ISO 12800 upwards...

3 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 24, 2012)

More MP is a feature that sold a lot of otherwise poorly speced Canon cameras, so how can you say that.

6 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (May 24, 2012)

Exactly the MP and to a lesser extent video are what sold all those 5DIIs. The D700 was a better camera than the 5DII in almost every other way. All canon did with the 5DIII was bring the other features of the camera up to the level of the D700. Unfortunately it was too little to late.

4 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (May 24, 2012)

@grafi
The 5DIII doesn't have the best AF on the market. It is too early to tell how the top end canon/Nikon AFs will compare but if they end up being basically same for accuracy,speed and tracking which is likely, then the Nikon will have the edge because it has the ability to focus at -2ev and with F8 lenses.

Of course this only applies to the Canon 1DX as it is the only Canon camera with their top of the line AF. The 5DIII only has a neutered version of it. The 5DIII doesn't even have the best AF in Canons line up let alone the market.

It is worth noting that Nikon chose to put the full D4 level AF in the D800.

1 upvote
wwwaaronegrotk
By wwwaaronegrotk (May 26, 2012)

It is the same AF system, the only difference with 1DX is the metering system, where the 5dlll has the older 63 zone metering used in 7d instead of the newest one used in 1dX.

1 upvote
Josh152
By Josh152 (May 27, 2012)

Look at the specs on canons site. It is not the same AF.

0 upvotes
Ah Pek
By Ah Pek (May 24, 2012)

Who cares about scores when it comes to IQ. Use your own eyes. The reviewers comments are only useful for AF, handling, HDR, functions, etc. To my own eyes, the Canon's IQ is preferable to Nikon's. Others may prefer otherwise. Buy what you prefer.

8 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 24, 2012)

Perhaps you have special glasses.

4 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

canon's IQ looks ok as long as you don't look closely. so you're right, if you don't care about IQ, it doesn't matter. heck shoot an iphone then. :)

4 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (May 24, 2012)

You're not even entitled to your own opinion here. If you prefer one camera to another, you're just plain wrong. It's no longer childish; it's infantile.

0 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

will dpreview take a shot at comparing the 5DmkIII by removing the OLP filter to address sharpness vs a D800 with the mosaic engineering filter that completly fixes moire?

whichever camera has the better output after that will be the ideal rig for video shooters south of 3.5K.

It seems the issue with the canon is the filter which is a hardware issue meaning it will never be fixed by firmware. one advantage of the D800 AA filter from mosaic is that it is reversible in 1 minute whereas the OLP delete on the 5DIII is not and voids your warranty.

0 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (May 24, 2012)

LSE: "whichever camera has the better output after that will be the ideal rig for video shooters south of 3.5K."

Why? The Canon XF100, HXR-NX70U, JVC GY-HM150U sell for under $3k. The Canon XA10 is listed at just under $2k. The HFG10 is now priced under $1.4k, and it is great in low light and has little moiré. Other DSLRs and m4/3 are also cheaper. Narrow DOF, which (especially without AF) is a PITA in all but highly controled scenes, is more easily substituted by light control and muted, dim, or bland backgrounds.

1 upvote
LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

@Cy Cheze

neither are full frame bud. now revise your comment.

0 upvotes
Kendunn
By Kendunn (May 26, 2012)

@Cy

You need a controlled scene to use narrow DOF, but a good substitute is light control and muted, dim, or bland backgrounds? I think your logic is backwards, and, speaking as a commercial photographer, DOF is my best friend.

0 upvotes
Blockmania
By Blockmania (May 24, 2012)

The Canon Mk3 and Nikon D800 are clearly both excellent cameras both capable of taking excellent images. The choice between them, in my opinion, does not come down to moronic, pointless techie-babble about shadow noise at ISO 25,000; the choice comes down to the current lenses you have and ergonomics.

I was going to buy a Nikon D700 and even put in an order on Amazon (which fell through), but I was never comfortable with the ergonomics - the camera felt like a brick and the bottom right corner rubbed my palm in use. I have large hands and it just was not right for me - even the finger notch felt uncomfortable. I was in a store and asked to try the Canon Mk2 - I had a Mk1 which I really disliked for its crappy LCD and front-heavy weighting with a decent lens and poor ergonomics. Well, compared to the D700, the Mk2 felt like a dream. It felt so much lighter, was smoother and more comfortable to hold and less brick-like. Both are great; I chose the most comfortable.

1 upvote
Razaghi
By Razaghi (May 24, 2012)

I come to this forum to read some useful opinions, and what do I find? Childish discussions about whose gear is better, mine of yours (which obviously most even don't really own). In the past, when negatives and positives were used, camera's were also being rated, disregarding the films being used, and they were given scores. Now, sensors have replaced the film, being still only part of the whole rating. Canon already made some of the highest mp sensors, read:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2010/8/24/canon120mpsensor
but a camera's quality is not measured 'only' by its sensor.
The German 'Foto Magazin' which I read for years, has rated Mkiii 87% and D800 86%. Nobody can accuse them of being biased, as the past 60 years have shown they are not. The Dutch 'Digifoto Pro' has given both its platinum award.
Both cameras seem to be excellent and when used, creating beautiful photos. So, Please stop the childish game of whose is better and leave space for photographic related discussions.

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Blockmania
By Blockmania (May 24, 2012)

Amen. DPR has decent reviews, but the people who come on here and post carping, childish posts are complete muppets. I have never known so many idiots criticising about each others' equipment. Do you think true pro photographers post these sorts of comments? I remember seeing a documentary which featured a NY photographer (I forget who, he was in his 60s and was v well respected) and he was taking shots in the street using a Canon ixus snap camera with probably 8 MP. He wasn't on here comparing shadow details at ISO 25,000....

Seriously, it seems 99% of the people on here are techie morons whose opinions are completely worthless in the real world. People have taken award winning shots with cameras half the quality of the Canon Mk3 or Nikon D800. Both are clearly excellent cameras.

Anyone who says one camera "blows the other away" should be banned. Such utter hype and nonsense. They blow away cameras from 10 years ago for sure. That is all.

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LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

well, except that if you add up the bars the D800 actually was given a higher score. all you have to do is use the conparison tool at the bottom of the conclusion page ;)

2 upvotes
Jahled
By Jahled (May 24, 2012)

Wisdom if I ever read it, Razaghi.

1 upvote
Fuzzypiggy
By Fuzzypiggy (May 24, 2012)

Well said!

I am a Canon shooter but I have no hesitation in recommending Nikon ( superb build quality ), Sony & Pentax ( great value ), or whatever to anyone who asks me. Horses-for-courses, as the saying goes! I would never tell anyone to buy a Canon 5DMk2 despite me owning one for nearly a year and loving it, I'd tell them to scoot down the local camera shop and try out some "lightboxes" from different makers within the price range they have set themselves. How the heck do I know what people will like and want to use, we're all different with different goals and ideas what we like.

2 upvotes
Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (May 24, 2012)

The same is true when people chatter about cars, sports teams, homes, kids, pets, wine, or vacation destinations: 50% bragging for one's own and 50% discrediting the others.

To be fair, though, a $3k toy is, almost by definition, debatable. So let people bicker. So strange, though, how much controversy burns over whether a toy gets a score of 84, 82, or 80, which is barely the breadth of a pinhead. Where are all the 90 or 60-rated cameras?

1 upvote
GeardoesntmatterPhotgrapherdoes

Prompted me to join this forum. Two thumbs up Blockmania !

0 upvotes
Ah Pek
By Ah Pek (May 24, 2012)

Wtf? 5D3 blows away D800 at high ISOs for both Raw and Jpegs. I expected 5D3 to be much worse based on DxO's noise score.

1 upvote
Gasman66
By Gasman66 (May 24, 2012)

I was just about to make a post with exactly the same sentiments. Is there something wrong with my eyes?? The MkIII's JPEGs are razor sharp, and they blow the D800 right out of the water!

0 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 24, 2012)

my guess is you are looking at the images at 100 percent pixels rather than at the same reolution. if you look at them the same size the d800 is marginally better

6 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

you obviously haven't used a D800. at the per pixel level the 5DIII is slightly better. but when sampled to equivalent resolution, the D800 matches it if not wins. resolution when you need it, ISO performance when you don't. best of both worlds.

3 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (May 24, 2012)

5D Mk III

2239 ISO (Low-Light) score
11.7 EVs DR score
24 bits color depth score

D800

2835 ISO (Low-Light) score
14.4 EVs DR score
25.3 bits Color Depth score

6 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (May 24, 2012)

"5D Mk III

2239 ISO (Low-Light) score
11.7 EVs DR score
24 bits color depth score

D800

2835 ISO (Low-Light) score
14.4 EVs DR score
25.3 bits Color Depth score"

nuff said

2 upvotes
ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (May 24, 2012)

The be fair
Somewhere at 2000-2200 ISO DR, SNR and Tonal Range of both cameras are the same and higher are ISOs better Canon gets for DR (compared to D800), so 5D would reach higher ISO score if the color sensitivity was better because it's only variable which holds it down compared to Nikon at theses ISO

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exifnotfound
By exifnotfound (May 24, 2012)

It's like the 5DIII's performance score was deliberately boosted so that it would be the same overall score as the D800. That's one way of limiting the emails I suppose.

That said, they are both great cameras, I just think that the Nikon edged out the Canon this time. When the 5DII came out I think it edged out the D700.

If I had either of these bodies I wouldn't be complaining at all, as long as someone supplied nice glass. :)

4 upvotes
Alex Akai
By Alex Akai (May 24, 2012)

DPR definitely trying not to upset Canon community. If DXO mark results show D800=95 and MKIII=81 and they give equal scores to both, there's got to be biasing going on....I wont even go into the the slew of features D800 has over MKIII not to mention the $500 price advantage !

12 upvotes
dara2
By dara2 (May 24, 2012)

dxo only evaluate the sensor, they don't put value in the extra FPS speed or the 41 cross type autofocus point. However D800 is a real value at its current price (no matter the price of 5D III)

5 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (May 24, 2012)

If you rate IQ (newer, better sensor technology) over 2 fps then the D800 would be the clear choice. If you don't, it's not.

Having used both cameras and worked with both files in LR, I can only assume DPR didn't want to upset an extremely large group of users.

3 upvotes
Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (May 24, 2012)

That reminds how Pop Photo's first announcement danced around the fact that Canon had severely jacked the price. Well maybe not as much as a D3X ...

0 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (May 25, 2012)

D800 is a more purpose-specific camera, 5D MK III is a more all rounded. I shoot with a 1Ds MK III and a 5D MK II and I find the difference between 4 and 5 fps substantial, 6 to 4 would be even more drastic. I will be happy to give out a slight edge on low ISO resolution for the extra speed. If I had to choose, I pick Canon unless I have a specific demand of the higher resolution. So I agree with the DPReview overall score. D800 higher DR? Yes, somewhat in the shadows. Big deal. Noisy as hell anyways if you try to extract the details anyway. Give me one stop more in the highlights, then you got me thinking.... maybe. I might still like the extra 2 fps for a all purpose camera after all.
Conclusion:
Studio work? Landscape? Get a D800
More flexible photography required? Get a 5D
Which is better? None, just get the right one for you, and have fun with it

0 upvotes
Mathias Japri
By Mathias Japri (May 24, 2012)

In full frame arena there is still a little products variation.
D800 and 5DMk III is too much for me.

For me, best buy full frame DSLR is canon 5D MK II. around1700$ that's a bargain. compared to D700 still 2200$ and the price never drop.

I even considering buy a mint 5d MKI it's just 800$ (if it still there) for street hunt compared to a epic overkill 9000$ leica.

many good photographer even used worst camera to take fenomenal photos.

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Mike Sandman
By Mike Sandman (May 24, 2012)

I've never shot a JPEG with my 5D Mark II.

As far as I'm concerned the Mark II would be interesting even if it couldn't record in JPEG format at all.

4 upvotes
Zigadiboom
By Zigadiboom (May 24, 2012)

It may be true that the target market will predominantly resolve to using RAW. However at this price point having a camera producing sub-par jpegs is frankly inexcusable.

Its like buying a new Ferrari that has a below average airconditioner. You don't buy a Ferrari for its airconditioning but rather for its performance. However an airconditioner is still an important component of the overall package and a technology that should have been well and truly mastered years ago.

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8 upvotes
69chevy
By 69chevy (May 24, 2012)

If you think the 5dIII is comparable to a Ferrari, then you have a very strange perspective.

1 upvote
rdspear
By rdspear (May 24, 2012)

You may want to look up analogy and metaphor in the dictionary.

A hint for reading Shakespeare - Juliet isn't actually a giant ball of burning hydrogen.

0 upvotes
69chevy
By 69chevy (May 24, 2012)

You may wish to have a peek as well. His comparison is neither. You could possibly call it a simile, but hey, who am I to correct your literacy?

0 upvotes
malebocks
By malebocks (May 24, 2012)

Ferraris are unreliable as hell. Overpriced. Get a Nissan GT-R, which will spank it.

1 upvote
645D
By 645D (May 24, 2012)

I have been a Canon user for over 20 years, my first film SLR is Canon, my first DSLR is Canon, and my current gear is Canon, with over a dozen Canon glasses. I have followed DPR for many years, always believe DPR has the best unbiased reviews, until this 5D3.
DPR, your explanation of the scoring just not hold. I can understand the trade of FPS Speed vs MP, and I can overlook the $500 price difference. But you call 5D3 more featured than D800 just not hold. What about the build-in flash, which also commands slave? what about multi-format accepting DX lenses? The face-recognition AF, the superior metering from D4, and USB3? All these that 5D3 lacks, and with bad JPG.
I am not a C nor N fanboy, I am not worried about the scoring, which is just a number, and does not affect my purchase decision.
I am putting this because DPR lost my long time trust, and lost the high standard of unbiased journalism that I used to respect DPR with.
DPR, it's time to explain the scoring with evidence?

23 upvotes
the great fiction
By the great fiction (May 24, 2012)

For not "being worried about the scoring" you sure seem worried about the scoring. The beauty of the DPR review of a camera is that it provides a TON of info for people to make their own decisions. Smart, honest people are going to disagree all of the time on the subjective evaluations. And imagine the headache DPR would be dealing with if they had scored one of the cameras higher than the other. Based on the comments I regularly see on here, it's no wonder they just gave them the same score.

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6 upvotes
OneThird
By OneThird (May 24, 2012)

Let's look at the score shall we...

The 5D3 just edges out the D800 in features and it also outperforms the D800 in the speed category (which by the way is given less weighting). The D800 on the other hand, edges out the 5D3 in RAW, JPEG, and to a lesser extent in the high ISO performance category. These categories alone carry the most weight.

The other categories such as handling, metering & focus accuracy, and the build quality scores are tied between the two. No surprises here.

Overall, it looks like the D800 is the clear winner based on the scoring. However, the 5D3 makes up for it with its speed and features to match. It's a toss up folks, do we call it a draw?

1 upvote
DarkShift
By DarkShift (May 24, 2012)

X-syns speed is slower with 5D3, so is the USB connection. So that leaves only the higher FPS rate for Canon ;)

2 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

@ OneThird

and you're not adding the uncompressed HDMI out and better image sharpness while recording video which is certainly a feature the 5DIII lacks in addition to the crop mode video which is excellent for telephoto work.

2 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (May 24, 2012)

Plus the D800 does a lot of little things better like wb bracketing, exposure bracketing, spot metering, auto iso, shutter life ect.

Also the AF and metering are not equal. The D800 can focus at -2ev and with F8 lenses. The D800 uses the same metering and AF as the D4 and the 5DIII is using Canon's old metering from the 7D and a watered down version of the AF in the 1DX.

I really don't' see how anyone can say the 5DIII edges out the D800 on features with a straight face.

4 upvotes
OneThird
By OneThird (May 24, 2012)

@LSE

According to DPR, video is given less weighting which really doesn't affect the score as much. I think its time DPR should put more emphasis on video since both DSLRs are more than capable tools for videographers.

@ Josh152

Agreed, I didn't write the review ;) The 5D3 does offer features that a photographer might look for or want such as blending with up to 9 exposures, HTP that will help extend the dynamic range by reducing blown out highlights, and advanced HDR mode for many that are interested in this feature.

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sirok
By sirok (May 24, 2012)

Gee "Mushy Jpegs" sounds familiar, wasn't Sony A77 creamed a while ago for "mushy" Jpegs yet over here on the Canon forum its ok? and not a big deal especially from a $$$$$$ Camera. Bias , Go figure. ?

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Gary Leland
By Gary Leland (May 24, 2012)

But I do have a question concerning the review that faults the JPEG. Why should this be? My Oly C8080wz has such a great JPEG engine that RAW is almost pointless. Once your engineers have a great software written why would the implement something inferior? If the JPEG is really a lower caliber than this great piece of hardware deserves than shame on Canon! That is like strapping a coke bottle to the front of it. IMO. In ease of use, performance etc. my great JPEG on my c8080 is a huge factor for me. Nobody that I know looks at my pictures and says "oh that must be a jpeg". They could not have crippled this in such a fashion so they could reach a price point! You know what I mean?

1 upvote
Gary Leland
By Gary Leland (May 24, 2012)

Well, I'll add my 2 cents. The 800 and New Cannon are both fabulous camera's. I will probably never even hold one much less own one. But I have an opinion too. :) I spend a lot of time enjoying DPR's challenges. I almost always look at the camera make and model as well as the image. I would have to say that I almost always like the Cannon image better than the Nikon. For me it's never the IQ, (they are to me equally magnificent) but I just like the Cannon color better. Strictly a strong preference I have for great color. I like my Oly's color even better.

3 upvotes
Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (May 23, 2012)

In the old days both 5D3 and D800 would get a "highly recommended" grade.
Arguing which of the two deserves most the 82% is <you name it>.

0 upvotes
Schweikert
By Schweikert (May 23, 2012)

I've shot professionally for 14 years and have used just about all types of film, film formats and camera types and brands. I'ver reached a point of just wanting simplicity and rock solid performance. I've owned Nikon and shoot Canon for the last 8 years. The 5D was good, the 5DII was great, the 5DIII is certainly much better than the 5DII. Overpriced? Yes. But for me the 5DIII will be a money maker, I'll get many more nailed focus shots and get a few extra stops of high ISO.

None of my clients ask for larger files. I don't have to buy new computers or more hard drives. I spent the past year upgrading my glass to version II's.

All in all, the 5DIII will produce endless advertisements, editorials and video/films worldwide from many photographers. It will do all that with no fuss and superb reliability.

I do wish the camera were priced a little lower, but it is what it is, a money making tool, and it will do that incredibly well. And none of that relies on a review whatsoever.

6 upvotes
Louis_Dobson
By Louis_Dobson (May 24, 2012)

While all of that is perfectly true, the D800 does the same but better for less money, without the Canon's glaring flaws.

And if the D800's IQ is not required but the extra 2fps is, hang on for the D600, which will be faster but lower res and cheaper again.

Watching DPR score the D600 should be hilarious. It's not as good as the D800 but matches the 5DIII exactly except with way better DR, all for way less money. Given the D800 and the 5DIII both got the same score, how do you score the D600 behind the D800 and ahead of the 5DIII? Expect a fanboy bloodbath :-)

6 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (May 24, 2012)

@Louis_Dobson

The D600 is probably going to get D7000 like AF, Metering, and will likely have build quality similar to the D7000 as well so it wont really match the 5DIII. It will probably be scored at like 80.

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Lan
By Lan (May 23, 2012)

Poor choice of sample images IMO -

In the review you suggest that the JPEG quality isn't great and that most people in the target market will shoot RAW; fair enough.

So why are only ~13% of the sample shots apparently taken in RAW?

Please can we have some nice high detail samples scenes taken in RAW at low ISO?

0 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (May 23, 2012)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/21

At the bottom of this page you can download raw files and process them yourself. There are also a number of processed raw samples throughout the review.

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Halfdan Faber
By Halfdan Faber (May 27, 2012)

Until rumors of the D800 started to surface I was seriously considering making the switch from Nikon to Canon. Once the high MP rumors were confirmed, I was still awaiting Canon's response. We now know that Nikon offered up a revolutionary step forward, approaching medium format quality at a surprisingly low price point, whereas Canon answered with a modest lower MP evolution at a higher price. Comparing the detailed ratings raises a number of questions. How on earth DPR is able to conclude that D800 represent a value point of 9, 1 point below average, and only 1 point higher than Canon, stands out in remarkable fashion. Overall DPR has lost significant credibility with this review. What are they going to do when the D600 comes out? Even if it's a fantastic camera, they will have to continue the farce. I suggest that DPR immediately retract the ratings for both cameras and spend some time reviewing their rating criteria.

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Lan
By Lan (May 23, 2012)

Suggestion for reviews -

Almost all cameras these days have a "super high ISO setting", where the image (and I hesitate to the use the word) quality is dismal. So, how about a fixed percentage penalty knocked off the final score for every ISO value offered where the resolved detail is below a threshold?

I'd say the ISO102400 should be beneath the threshold here, but there are far worse offenders out there. I'd knock out the Sony A77 at ISO16000. I guess my point is, if you can't work out the stamp is a stamp unless you're told beforehand...

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (May 23, 2012)

Apparently, some people are ok with numbers, but don't know how to read. (Isn't there an entire 29 pages of review preceding the "score"?)

"By Jonathan F/2 (17 hours ago)

Dpreview scores are definitely tainted. The D800 and 5Dm3 get the same score? So despite having 36mp and being $500 USD cheaper, you guys feel..."

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jackpro
By jackpro (May 23, 2012)

Canon is the photographers choice with extremely good glass from amazing primes to amazing zooms. Nikon has the reasonably good 14-24 although soft at 24, which in most pro cases is too wide & struggles with flare, Canon skin tone is better. The 1DsIII has been shooting beautiful skin tone for a very long time with very little post processing. The 5DIII is a 1DsIII with very good video functionality at a 5D price. Canon lenses are flatter as well which is much more flattering in people shots (you can always add contrast but you can't take it away). Nikon has tons of resolution but just jump in to the Nikon lens forum & see the complaining about the lack of variety in the lens department (soft 24-70) griping about the primes, contemplating Sigma? for macro its sad! Go in to the canon lens forum very different with endless choices from the top of the line to 2nd & third even 4th tier lenses to choose from joy! A new 24-70II which appears to be amazing a 70-200ISII which is outstanding.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (May 23, 2012)

The forums here (read: the whiny pants complaint department) is NOT a valid measure of the quality of a camera.

My experience is that the split seems pretty even for Pros these days. Canon's wide glass doesn't compare well. I think think I like the Canon 70-200mm a bit better than the Nikon. And that 17mm is cherry. The Nikon 14-24mm and 24-70 are not soft anywhere, except in your imagination. But if you don't know how to use them, they sure are horrible lenses.

Right now, both camps have all the gear anyone could need to do anything (with the exception of that 17mm lens in Nikonland and higher than 21mp for Canonites).

I've said before and I'll say it again: the gear is good. Better than you need to make amazing images. And it makes it easier than ever. There's really nothing lacking in either camp that anyone really needs to get it done.

Ergonomically, I think we could see some progress. (UI/UX is my main gripe with Canond) That's about it.

5 upvotes
Devendra
By Devendra (May 24, 2012)

im a photographer but 5D3 or canons is definitely not my choice or the choice of millions of other photographers.
should i concluded that you are just drumming your own drivel?

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 24, 2012)

Your comments about Nikon lenses are WAY OFF the mark.

5 upvotes
davidxyz
By davidxyz (May 24, 2012)

Reasonably good 14-24? Perhaps you could suggest which of Canon's or any other manufacturer's offering are better. Nikon lacks some choices notably a consumer long zoom with AFS and VR, an ultra wide TS and some mid-range teles that should be updated. However you clearly have little knowledge of Nikon's system other than poking your head into the nikon forum and reporting on gripes. The Sigma 150 macro that you are turning up your nose at is a fantastic lens. I should know, I have one. And its widely reported vby criediable reviewers as having excellent optics and construction. The 24-70 is not 'soft'. I doubt most professionals could push it to its limits. Maybe you're trying to be provocative but you simply come off as childish and uninformed.

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LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

you must be refering to poor copies of those lenses. I own a D800 and the 14-24 is beyond sharp on the D800. it blows the the canon equivalent 16-35. The 24-70 is spectacular on the D800 offering edge to edge results that are unmached by any current 24-70. It should easily match the overpriced canon mkII. The 70-200 is by far my favorite on the D800 however because it easily matches the newest canon version and it is extremelly sharp at both the center and edges.

so your take on nikon lenses are clearly misguided. Let's look at the nikon primes that perform spectacular on the D800 (ommiting the cheaper 1.8 and 2.8 versions telephotos.
35 1.4, 28 1.4, , 24 1.4, 50 1.4, 60 2.8, 85 1.4, 105 f/2, 100 f/2.8 135 f/2, 180 f/2.8, 200 f/2. Plus all the TS lenses (24, 45, 85)

who's complaining about lack of variety? the single lense canon has that nikon shooters even want is the 17TS. That's it.

I think your knowledge of the nikon lineup needs some refreshing.

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Damo83
By Damo83 (May 23, 2012)

No point being hung up on the scores – they're just an overall guide. Look at the individual performance results and base your decisions on those. How do people become so misguided?

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (May 23, 2012)

...meh, I kinda wonder if it's a bit intentional. It gets buzz/views/drives Amazon click through sales.

People want to worry and measurebate. The market and manufacturers encourage this.

But really, I'm impressed the DPreview manages to do a pretty decent job of quantifying a lot of unquantifiables.

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Toby1Kenobi
By Toby1Kenobi (May 23, 2012)

I don't understand your scoring. They say the AF is great and then it is one of the lowest scores. It does not make sense. It is so amazing that the score for 5D3 and D800 are the same at 82%. Maybe you should run for office, wouuld make a great politician. What a coincidence! what are the chances of that happening?

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acidic
By acidic (May 23, 2012)

5D3 image quality vs the 5D2 is pretty much null up to ISO 800. Which is good news for me, since that's where I do 98% of my shooting. The slightly better IQ at higher ISOs, along with better AF and dual card slots aren't enough to warrant replacing my 5D2 bodies at this time. Perhaps if the 5D3 were priced below $3K, I'd consider replacing one of my 5D2 bodies with one.

As for Nikon and their 36MP, I honestly could care less. I have far too many dollars invested in Canon glass to consider switching systems. The quality of the 5D2 is plenty good for me and my clients. At a time when the majority of photos are viewed on screen, 36MP is overkill for most (though cropability is good).

Now if Nikon were to create a 24MP body with D700 shadow noise performance, I just might consider adding it to my arsenal :-)
(though quite honestly, noise reduction technology has come a long way that it helps mitigate some of Canon's shortcomings in this area).

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (May 23, 2012)

Its not "good news" since mkII was released already in 2008. After 3 1/2 years one would expect mkIII to have much better low ISO performance since resolution is basically same. It would be fine if DR was updated but not.

Other brands look too appealing now.

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SDPharm
By SDPharm (May 24, 2012)

> Its not "good news" since mkII was released already in 2008.

It simply means sensor technology has matured a few years ago. The main advances are primarily in high ISO performance and slight increase in pixel density. But these advances may not be important to some people.

I don't think you should expect much practical difference in "image quality" below ISO 800 among most DSLRs over $1000. Differences on paper, yes. But by the time you do RAW processing, printing up to 20"x30" and viewing at a normal distance (say, 3 ft), I don't think sensor matters much at all.

Other aspect, however, can easily make a real difference. For example, 4 fps can absolutely miss a shot that 6 fps or 8 fps can otherwise capture. I do shoot sports (soccer), so large file size and slow fps is a very bad combination for me. On the other hand, it can be wonderful for a landscape photographer who primarily wants to show the fine texture of a lot of leaves and grass.

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acidic
By acidic (May 24, 2012)

"Which is good news for me,..."
Once again: "good news for me"
"FOR ME"

not you. I really don't care about YOU.

Got it?

:-)

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facedodge
By facedodge (May 23, 2012)

I keep hearing Canon Fanboys and Nikon Fanboys lumped into the same category here, but it seems to me the Nikon side has much more venom in them than the Canon guys do.

Go look at the 5D forum. It's full of D800 threads or threads that are quickly hijacked. The D800 forum is much less invaded if at all.

...Just saying...

Nikon is the smaller company, so I suppose there is more niche' hipster type mentality over there.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 23, 2012)

I'm convinced Nikon is more active in the forums than Canon. Just look at how quickly even a fun anti-Nikon comment gets removed from the Nikon forum. Nikon is evidently more cleverly into internet marketing and FUD spreading.

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russbarnes
By russbarnes (May 24, 2012)

What a lot of tosh. The D800 threads have been started in their hundreds in the Canon forums by paranoid Canon 5D owners and pretenders... Truth is no one is really interested in the 5DMKIII in the Nikon forums - the threads speak for themselves. Look closer to home for your issues I would suggest before spreading BS like this.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

So Nikon peeps, what score should the Canon have received? 81%? 80%? I mean even 78% means the camera is scored 95% as good as the Nikon D800. Is that what all this uproar is about? Whether the Canon is 0 or 1 or 2% different than the D800? Gimme a freaking break.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (May 23, 2012)

I am not a Nikon peep but,

The D800 should have gotten around 90 and the 5DIII should have had like 75-77 and a silver award. One set a new standard for IQ, Features, and value in a 35mm DSLR and the other was just a conservative update of an existing model.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 23, 2012)

There speaks someone with no significant hands-on experience of either camera.

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Digitall
By Digitall (May 23, 2012)

To be honest, Nikon and Canon should have a point more or less for each defect and virtue. But I think that is precisely what is not happening. Nikon should have a percentage point for each function or quality over the Canon and vice versa. I still bet that Nikon would be an advantage in general terms. In any event, the quality of the cameras not seen by points, but the points, can they lead us to a conclusion. And here I have not seen anything that justifies the equal score of both cameras. The functions and quality of both cameras are excellent, but there is always a but, obviously to the advantage lies one of the models. And needless to say which ...

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 24, 2012)

"needless to say which"

That's precisely what we're arguing about, so it's hardly "needless".

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (May 24, 2012)

Canon should have lost 5 points to start with - one for every hundred dollars markup over the Nikon.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (May 24, 2012)

Markup over a different product? Prices are set at what the manufacturer thinks the market will pay, and it seems by sales numbers that Canon were right (Nikon famously had to revise their numbers up in some markets).

(I assume those that say the 5DIII is too expensive remain blissfully single: No woman probably likes to hear "do you have anything cheaper?" when looking for engagement rings at the jeweler's... :) )

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Josh152
By Josh152 (May 26, 2012)

If you marry a women like that you are in real trouble buddy. If her biggest concern about the engagement is how much the ring costs, run, don't walk away. She doesn't love you she loves the things you can provide for her.

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topstuff
By topstuff (May 23, 2012)

The Canon is by any measure an amazing piece of equipment.

People can purchase one with confidence.

Medium term, Canon are probably going to have to replace it before Nikon have to replace the D800.

While both cameras are excellent, in a way comparing them is not right -although of course that is exactly what people will do.

But Canon have another high MP FF camera on the way and Nikon have a lower MP FF camera coming. Once all of these cameras are out, then we can see how the Canon and Nikon ranges overlap. Choices will be easier to make.

I dare say though, that somewhere in Japan a Canon senior director has been scratching his head, thinking about how their major rival managed to produce a sensor with a lot more resolution AND better DR and comparable high ISO performance.

Well done to Nikon - I am sure the Canon engineers are working hard and thats good for us all. Canon were maybe too conservative this time around.

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facedodge
By facedodge (May 23, 2012)

By competitor, do you mean Sony? There is no Nikon sensor in the D800.

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lightsculpture
By lightsculpture (May 23, 2012)

I wonder if painters go to websites like this and argue till their faces turn blue about "my brush is 5 points softer than yours" or "my canvas is 20% finer than yours'... hmmm

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

I can't believe pbreview gave that new synthetic brush the same score as my genuine Yak mane brush set. They must have been paid off.

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Rawmeister
By Rawmeister (May 23, 2012)

Yes, but synthetics have come a long way. Take a look at these polyester pants. You can't tell from silk. And anyways you need the matching paint chemistry to go with these synth brushes. Yak manes are over-rated. My Yak died last week anyways.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (May 23, 2012)

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/hammerforum-com

Judging by the way this link was shared accross various other industry forums including construction ones, makes me think that yes indeed painters probably DO argue over such things.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (May 23, 2012)

Painting is only partly about the brushes, but mostly about the paint. Paint is chemistry, formulas, application techniques, priming, overcoating...infinite number of techniques...and brands of materials to buy, and to argue over endlessly. Of course they talk the same way photographers do.

Check it out
http://www.artforums.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6121&sid=f5f75c086db25f61fab37928125dd33c

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malebocks
By malebocks (May 23, 2012)

Is it technically possible for Canon to improve its JPEG engine via firmware?

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

seems like it would be

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

dont shoot jpegs though

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

You can tweak it yourself with user definable picture styles and the EOS utilities, so I'd have to assume they could.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (May 23, 2012)

Could be, though might not be too. Often many of the processing features are mated to the processing "engine" digic 5 and such. Camera makers use specific processors that have pretty much hard coded imaging pipelines that allow for very efficient file processing.

How long would it take your computer to export out full 22MP jpg files from raw files, could it do 6 per second? And could it do it all day long off a tiny battery?

So yeah, it's possible that some tweaking can be done, and I hope it is done, as it would likely improve the video sharpness as well. But it all well might be impossible.

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u007
By u007 (May 24, 2012)

Probably. But the thing is, this is a really bad problem with cameras.

My X100 puts out amazing jpegs. And if dSLRs could have better processing to give us what we want, we wouldn't need raw. If the white balance, colours, shadows and noise reduction in camera were all excellent, the vast majority of us would never need raw.

The only reason i shoot raw is because my camera frequently gets the white balance wrong, is inconsistent shot to shot, and often I want to fill in shadows or retain highlights. If it did it all for me in jpeg, I wouldn't shoot raw.

So we should definitely be asking for better jpeg engines. "Just shoot raw" isn't much of an answer. It's a compromise.

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

Have been reading DPR since early Phil Askey days and this review's conclusion of D800-5D3 parity clearly demonstrates that DPR has "jumped the shark". They have cynically played the more PC answer, instead of the correct one.

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JackM
By JackM (May 23, 2012)

DPR found better high ISO, better performance, faster FPS, and better AF in the 5D3. They found more resolution and DR in the D800. Sounds like a tie to me. Don't whine because their conclusion disagrees with your priority on resolution and DR above all else. DPR reviews whole cameras.

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

And DxOMark test found better performance in all 3 IQ categories - DR, high ISO, Color Depth - for the D800 where it scored higher than any digital camera in their history.

And I'm not whining, just stating my opinion and the opinion of tons of other review sites. If you don't like it, oh well.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

Dpreview doesn't use dxomark's data, though. (And really dxomark's data rarely translates into real world prints)

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

DxOMark test raw sensor performance. Prints are not the only delivery medium on 2012. Things like banding, and how a file holds up in post do matter to the majority of photographers.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (May 23, 2012)

"Jumped the Shark". I like that one. ;-))

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 23, 2012)

I think you misunderstand the meaning of "jump the shark".

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

Didn't misunderstand it's meaning.

"Jump the Shark" is a term used to describe a television show when it begins to decline in quality. It was coined as a reference to the sitcom Happy Days when Fonzie literally jumps over a shark on a waterski.
From Wikipedia:
"The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the moment in its evolution when a brand, design, or creative effort moves beyond the essential qualities that initially defined its success, beyond relevance or recovery." I didn't misunderstand anything, but was half-serious. But having used both cameras, I do wonder about the frankly shocking conclusion of DPR and about review sites staying relevant in the face of overwhelming pressure to work within a capitalist system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

With this review, I believe the term is applicable, no offense guys, it's all in good fun.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (May 24, 2012)

Nope. It doesn't refer to the decline in popularity or quality, it refers to the desperate measures taken to reverse that decline.

And massaging the wounded egos of Nikon fanboys would have been more of a desperate measure than an even-handed review. If you want to see "jumping the shark" read Rockwell. He does it about twice a week.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

I think the reivew number are meaningless and almost have to be. I mean it depends what you are gonna do with it. I know for me d800 is a better bet, and its good cuz I dont have a choice since i have nikon glass. others will be in a different situation and will get a mk3. I do think the tie may be a bit political

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peevee1
By peevee1 (May 23, 2012)

DPReview writes: "'war-zone' ruggedness of a 1D Mark IV or 1Dx"

Really? Try to drop it on concrete, or accidentally hit a wall with it, especially with a zoom, or dunk it in some water...
Olympus Tough are rugged, 1Ds are just big and heavy chunks of delicate electronic and optic equipment.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

rugged may not be the right word but they are tough

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JackM
By JackM (May 23, 2012)

Kai hits 7D with truck, tosses it down stairs, submerges it, freezes it, thaws it, sets it on fire, and it still works...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCT-YMgjm9k

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

Check out digitalrev's video where kai hits the 7D with a moving truck, sends it down a flight of stairs in a wheelchair and freezes it in a block of ice. Most of these cameras are very tough.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (May 23, 2012)

"ends it down a flight of stairs in a wheelchair "

How about without the soft wheelchair absorbing all hits? Sheesh, the screens will break, lenses will break, mirror will break, sensors will go out of alignment... Shesh, the real life is not about cheap effects.

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

When Andrew Reid of EOSHD opinion is given towards the 5DIII review it is hardly a surprise why the 5DIII video is given such a low score while every reviewers says the 5DIII has better video than D800. For the record Andrew Reid does not own a D800 and constantly badgers around drooling about some post processed D800 samples posted on Vimeo by others. He also thinks D800E has the greatest dSLR video when others warned about D800E removal of alaiasing filter would make it worse. To Andrew it appears resolution is the rave over aliaising for now. EOSHD's opinion should not be taken with reagrds to video reviews.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (May 23, 2012)

The EOS HD page should be taken as representing a 'module' within the review - there's a disclaimer towards the bottom of the page, in fact, making it clear that the opinions expressed do not represent the opinions of.... etc., etc.

We wanted to get an expert perspective though, and that's what Andrew can provide. The final score, and the susbtance of our conclusion, are 'in house' - ours and ours alone.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (May 23, 2012)

Out of curiosity, what makes Andrew an "expert?" besides having a blog and having the time to help you with such things?

While he does put a lot of effort into what he does, does he have industry experience, or an education that would make him an "expert". Just curious.

I've noticed dpreview posting more of his blog posts and having him featured in one of your reviews is quite unprecedented I think. I'm sure he's pleased as punch though.

From what I've read on andrews site he is often quite brash and jumps to conclusions on topics that he knows little about (he often comes to conclusions based off hearsay, such as with D800 video quality prior to any released footage).

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

Andrew Reid at EOS HD is in the video industry and tests many of the HDSLR and pro video cameras that come out. He has a very good understanding of all the different aspects of video production and editing. His analysis that the D800 produces a sharper, higher resolution video image supports what Dan Chung concluded when he tested both cameras. And having owned a 5D2 and now a D800, it's immediately obvious that the D800 video image is crisper while the 5D3 (not 5D2) is slightly less prone to moire.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (May 23, 2012)

marike, "in the video industry", is like saying everyone on these forums are "in the photography industry" because we take pictures. That doesn't make us experts.

To me watching Andrew over the last couple years, I see him as an enthusiast who indeed is trying his hardest to help the indy filmmaking scene by getting the most out of the affordable gear out there. I respect him for his effort and his insights, but I just want to know what makes him an "expert", and worthy of being put so prominently (with his branding and everything) within likely one of the most popular reviews on this site.

To many Andrew has proven to be unnecessarily controversial and in some cases temporarily banned from forums for stirring up the pot.

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LSE
By LSE (May 24, 2012)

ever reviewer? not even canon shooters like phillip bloom agree with your statement. the 5DmkIII has really poor resolution and sharpening in post isn't the answer although it helps it slightly.

then there is the lack of uncompressed HDMI out which kills the canon when it comes to shooting high moticon scenes because the codec falls appart due to the low bitrate compared to the ~200mbps of prores you can get out of the D800.

the D800 is not as prone to moire as the 5DII was, yet if that is a problem for you, just the the mosaic engineering filter (also reviewed by phillip bloom)

looks like you got some research to do.

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EOSHD
By EOSHD (May 25, 2012)

I believe being 'in the industry' is does not make you an expert. Being truthful and good at what you do makes you an expert. Many filmmakers, musicians and artists are outside of the established creative industries. I'd rather be outside the industry and my own boss with full artist control over what I create. I'm a working filmmaker, but I work for myself - not a studio. I'm not comparing myself to any of the following just to be clear but it is worth using these legends as an extreme example of this - Lucasfilm is outside the industry and George Lucas funds his own movies outside of Hollywood, as does Francis Ford Coppola with his own production company American Zoetrope. EOSHD is my publishing company and filmmaking blog. So does being self employed mean someone is not a professional, not an expert? Is an artist who is interested purely in the art of filmmaking not an expert because he isn't a hired hand by an industry? Strange point of view I think.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (May 25, 2012)

You're good at what you do EOSHD, and I respect you for what you do for the community (seriously). I just has questions why all of a sudden dpreview is giving you so much brand recognition. Dpreview has thirdparty's do reviews all the time for their cameras (compacts for example aren't don inhouse), however, they're never given the recognition that you've been given recently.

I just question why they chose you over other "experts".

In anycase, congratulations, I've never seen another blog/brand integrated into a review like you have been.

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rusticus
By rusticus (May 23, 2012)

Yes - was somehow previously been clear:
The Pentax K-5 is still the number one

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LSE
By LSE (May 23, 2012)

so, if I add up the bar's lenght on the final score, the nikon has more higher bars than the canon....yet the overall score is the same?

shouldn't the lower canon bars be offset by the higher canon bars for the score to be identical?

I wish dpreview would provide numeric values instead of bar charts so we could take the average ourselves and figure out how they arrived to the 5DmkIII score.

if the bar size is taken to be 100% and one averages the lenghts, it looks like the 5DmkIII really scored a high 70's and was padded to please advertisers/audience.

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

You may be over-thinking it. The fact that the two camera scored anywhere near each other demonstrates that something other than providing an fair, unbiased, non-market driven scoring of both cameras (what you alluded to in your last paragraph) is going on.
It's kind of sad really.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (May 23, 2012)

Personally, I would rate the Canon above the Nikon because of larger pixels and higher maximum frame rate. How DP Review may score the two cameras would not affect my own preference. If someone were to buy the Canon or the Nikon because DP Review rates one or the other a few points higher, then I feel sorry for those buyers, because they don't really know what their own needs are. Read the reviews, and find out whether the things that are important to you gets high marks, but don't base your buying decision on how many points are in the final score. Basketballl games are decided by final scores, but cameras are not basketball games.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

why for larger pixels. canaon hasnt been able to produce any advantage from that. iq is worse on the mk 3 by every metric other than the resolution as well as the resolution what did that gain canon?

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marike6
By marike6 (May 23, 2012)

Larger pixels are not producing any advantage in this case since the D800 has superior low-light, high ISO performance (1/2 a stop) than the 5D3.

The D800 produces better files with nearly 3 EV more DR. That's more significant the an extra 2 fps.

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Revenant
By Revenant (May 23, 2012)

It's kind of sad that so many people find it so hard to accept that not everyone else conform to their own opinion, especially in what is essentially a subjective matter. This is not hard science, it's a matter of opinion and of personal needs and desires. If camera A suits your needs and your shooting style better than camera B, then A is the better camera. If camera B suits your needs and your shooting style better than camera A, then B is the better camera. Simple as that. No camera is better than any other in and of itself, without reference to a specific (type of) user.

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u007
By u007 (May 24, 2012)

I tried this too. The bars don't add up at all. Unless some bars are weighted more than others, a joint score of 82 doesn't make sense.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (May 23, 2012)

Now all together ...

Oh ! Canon...I am but a fool...
Darling I love you though you treat me cruel...
You hurt me and you make me cry...
But if you leave me, Nikon I will buy...

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JackM
By JackM (May 23, 2012)

Hmm, so lower pixel density really does equal lower noise, nice.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

That is true except in those cases where it is false.

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JackM
By JackM (May 23, 2012)

Agreed, like when you don't know how to expose properly, so you push 2 or 3 stops in post. Or when you are trying to make an HDR out of one exposure. Real photographers run into these problems ALL the time. :-/

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LSE
By LSE (May 23, 2012)

well, if you compare 100% crops it does. But nobody sells 100% crops. if you print, the image will get normalized and will then make the megapixel = noise myth false if sufficient levels of resolution offset the noise by making it less evident.

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (May 23, 2012)

Serenading hey? You are basically telling everyone you are a old f*rt :)

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u007
By u007 (May 24, 2012)

Pretty sure the d800 won the shadow pushing noise competition...

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JackM
By JackM (May 24, 2012)

shadow pushing noise competition is for morons and nerds who don't know how to expose... or what a camera is for.

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vFunct
By vFunct (May 23, 2012)

My favorite camera brand is better than your favorite camera brand.

It is because I am a superior person to you, which is why I am stating that fact on an internet forum.

I now feel good about myself, and will subsequently receive the attention of beautiful women, causing my offspring to have a successful career.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

Bravo!

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Five Piece
By Five Piece (May 23, 2012)

Ah, someone who understands the beauty of reality....

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Paul B Jones
By Paul B Jones (May 24, 2012)

Yeah, this is a social psychology thing highlighting what must be an innate human desire to attach our self esteem to external things - a flag, a sports team, a music group, a brand of car (Ford vs. Chevy, BMW vs. Merc), etc.

Funny creatures we are.

p.s. CANON is way better than NIKON

:)

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Ross Murphy
By Ross Murphy (May 23, 2012)

I find it hard to believe some people are knocking such a capable camera, the 5DII was excellent and the III is even better, looks like its time to sell my Mk II and take some images with the Mk III.

Looking forward to this one !

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Ashley Pomeroy
By Ashley Pomeroy (May 23, 2012)

While I'm at it, page 23 mentions the "28-70mm L-lens" - old lens knocking around the office from the original 1Ds review, or typo? Gonna dig out the 17-35mm f/2.8, hmm? The old 24-85mm from the Canon D30 review?

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (May 23, 2012)

We shot some samples with that lens, which is actually very good. Most through were taken with the 24-120 which is available as a kit with the camera.

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Ashley Pomeroy
By Ashley Pomeroy (May 23, 2012)

Cue floods of images on Flickr of cats shot with this body, the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS lens, and the HDR - Embossed 3 and Bold 3 modes left on *all the time*. Hundreds of images uploaded every day. "Youre photo is good example on the lfickr - DIMOND HEART AWARD POSt 5 award 15". If there aren't such images already. I haven't looked. Don't have the stomach for it.

1 upvote
Gustavo Acosta
By Gustavo Acosta (May 23, 2012)

I think I will now upgrade from the 5DI to the 5D3. The Canon 5D3 is a great photographic tool that will make me very happy, as the 5D has for years.

D800? Yes its great also. Probably would go with nikon if all my system was stolen, but not worth the hassle changing systems.

1 upvote
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 23, 2012)

i wouldnt change systems for anything. lenses are more important than the camera. luckily i am nikon shooter already

6 upvotes
36hike
By 36hike (May 23, 2012)

"... mushy jpegs, even at base ISO." And it receives a score of 82%? Lucky it wasn't a Pentax, Samsung, or Panasonic camera.

22 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (May 23, 2012)

You should try shooting RAW files. The quality is always better than jpgs and you'll probably never go back to shooting jpgs. RAW files give you a lot of flexibilty, too. From what I read, most people buying high end cameras use RAW files exclusively.

4 upvotes
John 3
By John 3 (May 23, 2012)

Canon should look at Olympus jpeg`s.

5 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (May 23, 2012)

You have to see these things in context. This is only relevant when examining images at a very high magnification and raw detail is excellent. Plus, many more factors influence the rating than just JPEG image quality.

1 upvote
Tape5
By Tape5 (May 23, 2012)

It is the year 2012 and the first line of a list of 'cons' for a top Canon DSLR reads :

''....mushy JPEGs, even at base ISO.''

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.

12 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

I think dpreview should review the iphone and give it a score of 100 just to freak all you guys out. You are WAY too hung of on that number. Read the review and decide what is important to you personally and make a decision. All the info is there in the first 20 pages and non of it is in the silly score number. It's like you guys want dpreview to tell you that one camera is 1.529% better than another one as if they can scientifically work that out.

7 upvotes
openskyline
By openskyline (May 23, 2012)

HONESTLY , I THINK DPREVIEW SHOULD TURN OFF COMMENT SECTION !!!!

2 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 23, 2012)

Did they force you to scroll down this far and start reading?

8 upvotes
Ben Raven
By Ben Raven (May 23, 2012)

Why wait for DPREVIEW ?
Take your own advice.

2 upvotes
Rubenski
By Rubenski (May 24, 2012)

Ha, ha, comment section is a major attraction for this website, they will never pull it! And indeed, what do you care, if you don't like it leave it alone, for me it's entertaining and I stil learn someting now and then because of the comments made. No matter how you look at it, there're always new angles that you didn't think of before.

0 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 23, 2012)

it's a shame really. the faux 1080p soft output of the 5DmkIII combined with the lack of a codec that doesn't fall appart in post or during motion make its advances in low light peformance and sensor sampling much less attractive. If they had a clean uncompressed 4:2:2 out and more detailed output it would have been nearly perfect. But in 2012, those levels of resolution combined with restrictive internal codec choices and the lack of higher fps for 1080 make the 5DIII a total non starter. I guess we'll see how the 1DX will do or the rumored D600. For now all these HDSLRs are seriously lagging behind.

1 upvote
Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (May 23, 2012)

Seriously lagging behind what? Digital TV and film production cameras? In case you forgot, HDSLRs are still priced and marketed toward amateur and professional 'photographers' and not professional 'videographers'.

Also, I believe what you are truly looking for is this: Canon has already announced a 4K DSLR with 8-bit 4:2:2 1080p HDMI output: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/12/Canon-EOS-1D-C-4K-capable-DSLR

But like with all technology, if you are demanding these specs in a $3500 camera, wait 5 years and you'll have your wish.

1 upvote
zzapamiga
By zzapamiga (May 23, 2012)

Sad considering the much cheaper Panasonic GH2 is still the leader for best video implementation in a stills camera. Canon deliberately crippled the 5D3 to protect the C300 etc. With the Panasonic GH3 just around the corner including 1080/60p the Canon 5D3 video implementation is going to fall significantly behind.

4 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 23, 2012)

@Kane Joseph

It's a 3500 dollar camera. why does it not have features cheaper cameras have and why is it not able to resolve more detail than not just its competitors, but lesser cameras?

Your argument that if you really want resolution you need to shoot 4K is absolutely bogus. First of all, nearly nobody has a 4K TV and the majorit of people target 1080p. Second, the fact there is 4K equipment does in no way EXCUSE canon from delivering such poor 1080p performance. Third, the barrier to 4K is tens of thousands of dollars. By your logic, why bother with a silly canon toy. Go with Red and shoot 6K at crazy fps.

1 upvote
Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (May 23, 2012)

LSE, you are really arguing with yourself here. Why are you arguing FOR Canon to have comparable features of lesser cameras for a lower price when at the end you call it a silly Canon toy? If you actually read the article I mentioned, here's a direct quote from Canon about the future of 4K: "Canon says it doesn't expect 4K to be a practical concern for many individuals in the short term. However, the ability to archive original footage at high resolution, in preparation for the market catching up could be a draw for the cinema and broadcast industry."

So do you work in the cinema and broadcast industry? If not, then no need to argue for Canon about their poor 1080p performance because there are better options out there made by Canon, RED, Sony, et al. If you are in the cinema and broadcast industry, you shouldn't be arguing for a $3500 still photo camera to have broadcast quality video. Simple as that!

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0 upvotes
mgblack74
By mgblack74 (May 23, 2012)

You are talking about what is primarily a stills camera, in form and function. How many equivelent video cameras shoot 22mp stills?

0 upvotes
EOSHD
By EOSHD (May 24, 2012)

Kane, with regards your comments above I think you're rather dodging the facts of LSE's argument, which are absolutely sound and a real issue for all serious video shooters - creative artists and commercial pros alike.

The old and extremely cheap Sony NEX 3 with firmware update has peaking for manual focus. A better focus assist than the $3500 5D Mark III, on a $500 bottom of the range mirrorless camera.

Numerous other cameras have articulated screens, something the 5D Mark III lacks due to concerns over maintaining water proofing. In my view, at $3500 this should have been engineered around.

The other missing feature is resolution. The GH2 and a Canon prosumer camcorder, both well under $2000 provide more detail in every frame and an established high quality video recording codec.

I'm sorry but it was a lukewarm update in my view and well below what my expectations were, after a lengthy 3+ year wait. Can it still produce amazing footage? Of course. But so could the Mark II.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (May 23, 2012)

Think of all the people who wish they could own either of these excellent cameras. I've got both so I don't spend any time at all trying to convince myself I made the obvious choice. The only weakness I can find in either is the jpgs on the 5D3 and the noise levels on both. For "art" the D800 with 14-24 is awesome. For what I do when I'm not trying to make Yosemite look beautiful (quite a challenge), the 5D3 with 17TS & 24TS is a dream.

2 upvotes
LSE
By LSE (May 23, 2012)

looking forward to nikon's 17TS. Their 24TS works ok except in one rotation axis case but you can always rotate it the other way for the same image. ditto about the 14-24

0 upvotes
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