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Sony announces NEX-F3 16MP mirrorless and E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS LE lens

By dpreview staff on May 17, 2012 at 04:00 GMT

Sony has announced the NEX-F3 entry-level 16MP mirrorless camera and lightweight 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS stabilized superzoom lens with for the E-mount. The NEX-F3 gains a built-in flash, along with the updated 16MP sensor from its NEX-5N big brother. Its big party trick is undoubtedly its LCD, whose image automatically mirrors when it's flipped up for taking self-portraits. Meanwhile, the E18-200mm F3.5-5.6 LE OSS is a more compact, lighter 11x superzoom lens for the NEX system. Starting in June, the NEX-F3 will have an MSRP of around $600, while the SEL18200LE will sell for around $850 from July.

With its 62mm filter thread, minimum focusing distance of 0.5m and 17 element/13 group design, the SEL18200LE does look a lot like the lens Tamron announced in December 2011.

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Press Release:

Sony’s New α NEX-F3 Camera Packs DSLR-Size Sensor and Advanced Feature Set into Small, Stylish Body

SAN DIEGO, May 16, 2012 – Sony’s α NEX-F3 digital camera delivers professional quality photos with a compact, pocket-sized body, allowing consumers to explore the creative world of high-quality, interchangeable lens photography in a refreshingly fun and entertaining way.

The new NEX-F3 camera features the same space-saving mirrorless design as other models in Sony’s E-mount family as well as an advanced, 16.1 effective megapixel Exmor™ APS HD CMOS sensor, identical in size to sensors found in traditional DSLR cameras. The large sensor takes in more light during image capture, resulting in flawless, low-noise photographs and crisply detailed Full HD videos (60i/24p). Photographers can also easily create images with beautiful defocus effects, where the subject is focused sharply against a smoothly blurred background.

“Sony continues to redefine digital photography with our E-mount series, packing a large APS-C size sensor into a small, lightweight camera body to produce professional-quality images with ease,” said Mike Kahn, director of the Alpha business at Sony.

“Featuring a diverse set of imaging technologies and offered at a great price, the new NEX-F3 model reinforces our commitment to this rapidly growing compact system camera market."

The NEX-F3 camera adds a whole new perspective to self-portraits with a 180° Tiltable LCD screen, a first for Sony’s E-mount camera line. By simply holding the camera at arm’s length and flipping the LCD screen vertically, users can adjust the on-screen preview image and properly frame photos. 

Additionally, the new model features a useful built-in flash to broaden shooting options indoors or in low light situations. Already introduced on Sony’s acclaimed NEX-7 camera, this pop-up flash handily brightens portraits and other shots without the need to carry an additional flash accessory.

The new NEX-F3 camera also includes the new Auto Portrait Framing feature for creating top-quality portraits quickly and easily. This innovative feature identifies a subject’s position in a composed image, and follows the “rule of thirds” to trim the scene appropriately around the subject’s face, creating a beautifully composed portrait.  The cropped portrait is then boosted to full resolution using Sony’s unique By Pixel Super Resolution technology, which uses pattern matching to maintain superb image detail, tones and textures in the photo.   Both the original and cropped image files are saved for review. 

By Pixel Super Resolution Technology is also used for the “Clear Image Zoom” feature, which digitally doubles the effective magnification of any lens attached to the camera. Ideal for travel and everyday shooting, it’s a great way to boost maximum focal length without carrying extra hardware.

Other convenient essentials added to the new NEX-F3 camera include the Superior Auto mode,  which intelligently recognizes a wide range of scenes and subjects and adjusts settings automatically. Battery stamina has been boosted to an industry-leading 470 shots (approx.) on a single charge – an approximate 18% improvement over its predecessor, the NEX-C3 model.

The camera is compatible with the FDA-EV1S viewfinder accessory (sold separately), which offers a high-contrast, high-resolution OLED viewfinder display and a wide viewing angle. The NEX-F3 model also features a high-quality, premium-feel grip for more comfortable handling and can be charged via either USB or a standard AC outlet.

New Lightweight 18-200mm Telephoto Zoom Lens for Sony α NEX

An ideal travel partner for the NEX-F3 camera, the new SEL18200LE E18-200mm F3.5-6.3 OSS LE telezoom lens offers a powerful 11x zoom range and superb resolution in an easy-to-carry package. Smaller and 12% lighter than the SEL18200 lens, the new E-mount model features Optical SteadyShot to compensate for the effects of hand-shake. It also features Direct Manual Focus to give users precise control over focus settings, resulting in crisp, beautiful images.

Pricing and Availability

The new NEX-F3 compact digital camera will be available this June in silver, black and white with an 18-55mm kit zoom lens (model SEL1855) for about $600. The new SEL18200LE telezoom lens will be available this July in black for about $850. 

The camera kit, new lens and a variety of compatible accessories including the LCS-EJC3 carrying case, STP-XSG1 shoulder strap and STP-WS2 wrist strap will be available at Sony retail stores (www.store.sony.com) and other authorized dealers nationwide.

Sony NEX-F3 specifications

Price
MSRPBody + 18-55mm lens: $599.99/ €599/£530
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4912 x 3264
Other resolutions4912 x 2760, 3568 x 2368, 3568 x 2000, 2448 x 1624, 2448 x 1376
Image ratio w:h3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.4 x 15.6 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorBionz
Color spacesRGB, AdobeRGB
Color filter arrayPrimary color filter
Image
ISOAuto, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800, 16000
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (2500-9900k )
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Standard
File format
  • JPEG
  • RAW (ARW 2.2 Format)
  • RAW+JPEG
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points25
Lens mountSony E
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3
Screen dots920,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT Xtra Fine LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic (optional)
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Auto Advanced
  • Auto
  • Program
  • Shutter priority
  • Aperture priority
  • Manual
  • Memory Recall
  • Tele Zoom Hi Speed
  • 3D Sweep Panorama
  • Sweep Panorama
  • Anti Motion Blur
  • Picture Effect
  • Scene selection
Scene modes
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Macro
  • Sports Action
  • Sunset
  • Night Portrait
  • Night Scene
  • Hand-held Twilight
  • (6 shot layering)
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
External flashYes (Accessory Port)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-Eye, Slow Sync, Rear Curtain, Fill-in
Continuous drive6 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec, 10 sec 3 or 5 images)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±2 (at 1/3 EV, 2/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 2/3 EV steps)
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (60, 24 fps), 1440 x 1080 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, AVCHD
Videography notes1080 @ 60 fps Interlaced, 24 fps Progressive
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/ SDHC/SDXC, Memory Stick Pro Duo/ Pro-HG Duo
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Mini Type C)
WirelessEye-Fi Connected
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion NP-FW50 rechargeable battery & USB charger
Battery Life (CIPA)470
Weight (inc. batteries)314 g (0.69 lb / 11.08 oz)
Dimensions117 x 67 x 42 mm (4.61 x 2.64 x 1.65)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingNo
GPSNone

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Comments

Total comments: 89
dlknktk4866
By dlknktk4866 (Jun 1, 2012)

Does the new Sony F-3 have the same distortion correction as the 5N ??

0 upvotes
Juraj Lacko
By Juraj Lacko (May 24, 2012)

That lens should be not more expensive than £300. Price is the factor that spoils the game here. How they want to atract point and shoot users when charging so much? With camera body it would be well over 1k. And for that money one can get FF dslr (used)

0 upvotes
Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (May 21, 2012)

If you want small... buy a Pentax Q, it's much smaller and lighter m4/3.

If you want better quality on par with the best DSLRs... without all the needless WEIGHT... NEX is the only game in town.

Comment edited 30 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
smileblog
By smileblog (May 19, 2012)

OK. Now Nex is getting bigger.. :-)

0 upvotes
Marcelo Meira
By Marcelo Meira (May 18, 2012)

Geez, I want mine!

0 upvotes
snovs
By snovs (May 17, 2012)

A little help?

Nex 5N, Nex f3, A37-- what to do??

Been taking pics on my iphone for years. Love the image quality of DSLRs and recognize when pics are shot with them. In the market for a new camera particularly to take on my honeymoon (leaving June 26th, very important) and also for future use with children etc..

Seems like I should eliminate the 5N no? What features would I miss with the f3? Any help would be much appreciated. Will probably post in multiple spots.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

Compared to 5N, F3 does not have touchscreen, no tilting screen down (for overhead shooting), no 10 fps frame rate (for sports shooting for example). F3 also is bigger and heavier than 5N, while only $49 cheaper. At this price, IMHO, F3 does not make any sense at all in comparison to 5N.
The other good alternative in this price range is Panasonic DMC-G3, it adds much (2-3 times) lighter lenses (and better choice of lenses), viewfinder, fully articulated touchscreen at approximately the same price.
And Sony NEX is not DSLR (which is a good thing). Neither is G3.

2 upvotes
thincrust88
By thincrust88 (May 18, 2012)

But the F3's got built-in flash... Although with the 5N's (and presumably the F3's) superb sensor, you'd soon learn to take more pics without the flash. For handheld lowlight shots, there's always the Anti-Motion Blur and the Handheld Twilight (HHT). You can't go wrong with either the 5N or the F3. ;-) Go light. Go NEX. :-)

0 upvotes
cxsparc
By cxsparc (May 18, 2012)

Minimum ISO of F3 is 200, 5N has 100. THis influences playing with limited depth of field. Processor is slower (less frames per second).

F3 has built-in flash. Nice, but I haven't mounted the flash on my 5N for a long time and haven't missed it.
F3 does not support add-on EVF.

0 upvotes
alyiwang
By alyiwang (May 18, 2012)

F3 does support external EVF

0 upvotes
chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (May 18, 2012)

DMC-G3? Honestly .... How can anyone who knows what they're talking about compare a 4/3rds G3 to an APSC NEX (not to mention its considerably larger size).

0 upvotes
Damian P
By Damian P (May 25, 2012)

You can certainly tilt the screen down on the C3 - unlikely you can't do the same on the F3 too.

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 17, 2012)

Oh goodie, another 18-200mm lens for NEX. Apparently Sony thinks their glass lineup is so complete they can come out with new versions of existing lenses. Not very comforting.

14 upvotes
Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (May 17, 2012)

The new superzoom is the same as the Tamron one. A few months ago, Tamron executive was asked if Tamron plans to bring more Tamron branded lens to NEX and the executive said the only reason this lens was announced as Tamron was some anniversary thing. Tamron will continue to design lenses for NEX as OEM as the margin are higher.

3 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (May 17, 2012)

If you want a viewfinder, the Sony FDA-EV1S is an additional $ 349 .99.

For people who use viewfinders, entry level DSLRs are a better value.

2 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

Entry levels DSLRs like Rebels are incredibly bad, slow, heavy and inconvenient in comparison. On the other hand, for $600 you can buy Panasonic DMC-G3 with EVF built-in.

0 upvotes
grafli
By grafli (May 18, 2012)

True story!
Nothing better than an optical Viewfinder.
BTW, I liked the Rebels very much, the IQ is exellent.
They are not big. I even think they are too small...

0 upvotes
cxsparc
By cxsparc (May 18, 2012)

The optical viewfinder of an entry-level DSLR with a kit lens is a dark tunnel. Compared to the EVF of Sony giving liveview of Depth of field as well as color rendering, those optical viewfinders are clearly inferior.

0 upvotes
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (May 17, 2012)

Hmm at offical channel of sony on YouTube they says "This new lens is more about Photography, previous was the kit lens for VG-10´s kit lens ! " Hmmm...... Where is the new 12 mm F 1.8 Pancake !

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (May 17, 2012)

12mm f1.8 pancake would be a unique offering. That's 18mm f1.8 equivalent. I don't know if anyone else makes a fast lens that wide.

I still can't believe they still don't have a fast normal pancake. That is the one thing stopping a LOT of people from buying into NEX.

1 upvote
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (May 17, 2012)

exactly, it would even give me a strong reason to buy a Sony Nex... Nowadays I am still on Micro 4/3 ´s side. There are more options at this side and they keep comin´. At Nex we rely on Sony and C.Zeiss and we don´t know when or what is coming... !! Please sont show us better reasons that we could buy a sony cam without doubt anything ...

0 upvotes
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (May 17, 2012)

A new Sony Nex cam , comes with a built in flash: Thats good !
A new (?!) Sony Nex 18-200 lens comes, instead a new better pancake: That´s not good...

1 upvote
EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (May 17, 2012)

It was easier for Sony to launch the travel zoom because it already exists. There are more lenses to follow shortly, but I doubt any of them will be a pancake. And a pancake would appeal to me only if it offers a 24 to 50mm focal length.

1 upvote
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (May 17, 2012)

Seems like Sony make only one wishes become real at once! Buil in flash becomes real. Seriously its very neccassary to not to put more afford to hold a standard flash for this section´s users. But the lenses are still far from being compact. And the only pancake that they offer is not good enough, is it? The new lens would probably come with the nex-g3 or nex-5x or .... you name it !

0 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (May 17, 2012)

Sony's 16mm may not be great, but Sigma's 19mm and 30mm are. I don't find the Sony 24mm and 50mm big. I can fit either with my NEX-7, 18-200, HVL-F20AM, charger, extra battery, extra memory cards, cleaning cloth, and a remote in a small Tamrac Aero 36 bag. I can fit all that and all three lenses in the Tamrac Zuma Compact (Model 5720). I don't need pancakes. Sony and Sigma already have me covered for what I need right now.

0 upvotes
EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (May 17, 2012)

I am hoping for a wide (but not super-wide, such as the 16mm/2.8) pancake, in 24 to 50mm range. But until then, I'm probably going to be fine with 16mm/2.8, 28/2 (Kiron, MD mount) and 50mm/1.4 (Super Takumar M42 mount) for primes, and 18-55 kit plus Kiron 70-150 (a compact and fantastic zoom). I also use my A-mount lenses on NEX, as well as Jupiter-9 (85mm/2). Big sensor is forcing big lenses, and I will take that compromise anyday. Still the NEX kit 18-55 is tiny compared to the Sony 16-50 SSM I use on my A55.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

Wow, F3 is now heavier than 5N, and at the same price intro price as street price of 5N, and not quite as good (no touchscreen, lower ISOs, slower continuous shooting). Why?

0 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (May 17, 2012)

Because it's new. Because it has a 180° tiltable screen. Because the battery life is improved by about 40 shots/charge. Because you can use the flash and the optional EVF at the same time. Because Sony sets the price.

BTW, the NEX-5n is still $50 more here locally.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

This "new" is same old same old.

0 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (May 18, 2012)

@peevee1
No it isn't. The 180° screen is an entirely new thing on NEX cameras. Only one other time on the NEX has sony made the flash built in and not an add on (it's even off center enough that lenses like the 18-200 OSS won't cast a shadow in the picture). I'm not saying everything is better than the 5n. But it does have features and a price point that'll make it more competitive against the J1, E-PL3, E-PM1, & GF5 (in comparison to what the C3 offered) which is its most likely competition.

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FTW
By FTW (May 17, 2012)

there is no doubt that this is a Tamron lens with the Sony stamp you pay 110$ more in price. Let's wait till the experts make the test and compare built and results.

1 upvote
SETI
By SETI (May 17, 2012)

Sony need to stop cloning bodies and start to develop lenses for e-mount

11 upvotes
WT21
By WT21 (May 17, 2012)

Good for Sony to try and get this lens light/smaller. They also need to release more/other lenses, like a fast 35mm.

1 upvote
Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

Is there an electronic first curtain shutter or not

if not, big downgrade from 5N

This is an important feature

0 upvotes
NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (May 18, 2012)

I would assume so, but I couldn't find it listed anywhere.

0 upvotes
PhillipA
By PhillipA (May 17, 2012)

Everyone is saying "pity no EVF" , but the specs say EVF optional - c'mon Mr. Butler - which is it ??

0 upvotes
Dapple 101
By Dapple 101 (May 17, 2012)

Both

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io_bg
By io_bg (May 17, 2012)

Optional EVF means you can buy one and attach it to the camera.

2 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (May 17, 2012)

Typical Sony. The camera is small and inexpensive and the lenses are still too big and too expensive.

4 upvotes
EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (May 17, 2012)

I agree that the price of E lenses is a bit high, but I would rather have pricier lenses than bodies since the latter go obsolete rather quickly, while I continue to use 1960s and 1970s lenses on my NEX. :)

0 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

still can't understand the logic of a 3 that is just $100 cheaper than 5

$100 is too insignificant an amount for two product line

just the touch screen for focus alone is worth more than $100 let alone other enhancement

Really anxious what will they offer in F5 to justify the extra $100

NEX 7 24MP sensor, is that too much to ask?

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

Seems it is just $49 cheaper (if the F4 is $599).

0 upvotes
Absolutic
By Absolutic (May 17, 2012)

I went through every m4/3 camera and lens. I also
Own
D800. Just got Sony NEX 5n recently and has been kicking myself ever since for not getting it earlier. U get a brilliant sensor the same
That $1200 d7000 has for $649. It's crazy. The low ligjt
High ISo
Actually seems
Better than d7000 and DXO mark
Agrees. I am astounded by iso3200 in PASM and iso6400 in twilight mode. M4/3 and my last one was 16mp g3 was not even
In same league in dynamic range and low light. 10fps and 4fps modes are excellent. AF after firmware 1.01 update this march is superb and focuses in low light for me no problem. And I am using the slow kit 18-55 lens and I could care less because low light pic are that good. Only full frame is better. It kills my canon 7d in low light. Now
My Nikon d800 is better but it cost five times as much and is a large camera

5 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

twilight mode is overrate in my opinion
only use it in extreme low light otherwise why bother
but than the slow shutter with 6 pics together would really kill sharpness although at low noise
but i would rather my pic be noisy but sharp

anyone else ageree?

1 upvote
philburgess
By philburgess (May 17, 2012)

The twilight mode is fantastic in all lighting conditions not just twilight. It produces useable shots that my Canon 60D cannot get without a tripod.

4 upvotes
WT21
By WT21 (May 17, 2012)

Wait till you hit the lens wall. NEX Is a great sensor, and little else. Hope you like MF with legacy lenses. That's the one redeeming part of NEX.

6 upvotes
wb2trf
By wb2trf (May 17, 2012)

"Lens wall"? I think that image is an exaggeration. Depends on what you are shooting. For my uses I'm pretty happy with the 18-55mm and the SEL 50mm 1.8.

7 upvotes
zxaar
By zxaar (May 18, 2012)

It seems the sony users who hit the 'lens wall' do not know that they can mount dslr lenses (and other lenses) with the help of adapter. That means there are lenses from canon , nikon, pentax and many more. Ignorance is bliss for few people though.

2 upvotes
RayUK
By RayUK (May 17, 2012)

Does the shutter still make that awful clunking noise?

RayUK

0 upvotes
BKK Street
By BKK Street (May 17, 2012)

This should be a sweet performing (and half decent looking) portrait set up (silver body) with a matching 50 1.8 OSS lens. And total weight 18 oz.

0 upvotes
Oomingmak
By Oomingmak (May 17, 2012)

At last! DPR specifications finally state whether the quoted video frame rate is interlaced or progressive.

2 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

Is that 225 gram including battery correct?
It maybe without battery

Comment edited 15 seconds after posting
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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (May 17, 2012)

You're right - someone had entered the 'excluding' battery figure. I've just updated it.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

Was the same mistake made with C3?

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

F3 it is so similar to 5N now, even appearance is about the same.

Now no reason to buy 5N just battery life increase to 470 in F3. $600 is a good price

What will the rumor F5 (5N successor) be? Got NEX 7 sensor?

0 upvotes
Absolutic
By Absolutic (May 17, 2012)

Missing high speed 10fps and high speed with focus 4fps. No iso3200 auto iso. Not sure what other omissions are but these above are pretty important

0 upvotes
Ryan_Valiente
By Ryan_Valiente (May 17, 2012)

Probably the Tri-Navi Controls but no EVF. Still touchscreen and MP under 20.

0 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (May 17, 2012)

yes there is auto iso 3200 now in F3
no touchscreen
2.5 or 5.5 fps (a lot slower than 5N)

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (May 17, 2012)

To the contrary, no reason to buy F3 now.

0 upvotes
Eigenmeat
By Eigenmeat (May 17, 2012)

100% genuin Tamron + $110, well done sony

9 upvotes
Anfernee Cheang
By Anfernee Cheang (May 17, 2012)

I also suspect this but there is still chance that they are not the same one. The minimum focus distance is 30cm for this one, and 50cm for Tamron's. And Tamron's does not have FTM, while this one has. Let's wait for the chart of optical elements...

0 upvotes
Anfernee Cheang
By Anfernee Cheang (May 17, 2012)

OK, I went to the Japanese official website and verified. They are exactly the same: same 13/17 glasses optical structure, same positioning of their ED/LD and ASP glasses, same focus distance, same everything.

Shame Sony, shame......

6 upvotes
Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (May 17, 2012)

nice evolution of the NEX-3 series. Build in flash - check ; proper grip - check ; HD Video 1080X24P - check .... and well ... seems Sony got this nailed down pretty good.

2 upvotes
kev777zero
By kev777zero (May 17, 2012)

new Sony superzoom = rebranded Tamron superzoom?

3 upvotes
VipinJoshi
By VipinJoshi (May 17, 2012)

Hmmm. It seems Sony has got it right this time, both with the price & features.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Yehuda_
By Yehuda_ (May 17, 2012)

You're wrong - m43 has pancake standard primes such as the 20mm and 14mm made by Panasonic

1 upvote
Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (May 17, 2012)

Well, APS-C ( NEX ) or M4/3 , they both don't get decent compact fix focal as AFAIS. Oh yes there is some pancake lens with M4/3 and there is the 16mm for the NEX; but they fail by the part of either being slow or either inferior in delivering native performance.

So far the only proven compact and fast one is the Samsung NX 30mm/2.0 , Panasonic, Olympus, and Sony should take a lesson out of that. By all account, its mirrorless, and the most common usage is to be an on the go and go anywhere anytime cam. Shouldn't it occur that a fast and proper lens should be there. Now since Samsung, the newest kid on the block can made it, so can others. They just choose to charge us the price but without giving us the deed. Where's the beef shall we ask ..

1 upvote
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

This are wide angle lenses

0 upvotes
Refudiate
By Refudiate (May 17, 2012)

Huh? The Panasonic 20mm is a) very sharp and b) f/1.7. And it's a slightly wide normal, like the the Samsung 30mm.

2 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

the distorion is significant enough to make it unnaccpetable for portraits

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

I wanna love these mirrorless camera's but they always seem to miss the mark by a bit. With an aps-c sensor physics is going to require that the lenses are essentially dslr sized. this makes the camera only marginally more portable.

The micro 4/3rds seems to be the right balance. but there are still some wierd issues. Like the fact that you can't get a thin profile standard prime for it. witch oddly enough you can for the large 4/3rds cameras. And dont say use an adapter, the is too big. Also the only 4/3rds camera that is reasonably small and acceptably powerfull is the olympus e-pl3. witch comes with a kit zoom that is not pocket sized. and you CANT buy it without it. (witch makes me ask what about upgraders?). I like that panasonic pancake zoom lens. combined with a small standard prime that was also pocket sized you could have a lot of photo power in your pocket.

This new sony is massive in the world of camera thats only justification is they are more portable though.

4 upvotes
Ryan_Valiente
By Ryan_Valiente (May 17, 2012)

Then go ahead buy a M4/3rds.

Stay away from the NEX system if you think like that.

11 upvotes
Hanrieke
By Hanrieke (May 17, 2012)

as

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (May 17, 2012)

It seems at least you got the idea right. Bigger sensor, bigger lenses. But let's add something here. Sony are making good use of the APS-C sensor, and while some m4/3 sensors are still getting where the first NEX-series generation was, the next generation will be again, another step forward. That's why some people are choosing NEX-series. Better sensor to use legacy lenses and more DOF control, or getting more keepers in low-light situations. Sony still has a long loooong way to go in the Lens department, but on bodies, there are few that can match. Let's wait what the next 5-series will offer. So far both the current NEX-7 and NEX-5N are very very good camera and Sony decision to increase body size in order to put built-in flash is a good sign Sony is changing their mind for good.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (May 17, 2012)

Lot's of DOF control with those blazing fast f/5.6-6.3 lenses I guess LOL

Sony's lens line is pathetic and I'm reading nothing about improved AF, something which is also trailing edge. Lot's of frivolous new additions but same old AF.

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kev777zero
By kev777zero (May 17, 2012)

at least NEX has a top of the line sensor unlike m4/3's pathetic sensors.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

I know the iq is better tha micro 4/3rds but my d800 will crush it. The point seems to me to be something only marginally more combersome than a pout and shoot

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Richt2000
By Richt2000 (May 17, 2012)

I have both a

NEX 7, Sigma 19/2.8, Sony Zeiss 24/1.8, Sony 50/1.8 + kit lens
E-P3, Oly 12/2, Pan 20/1.7, Oly 45/1.8 + kit lens

For IQ the NEX7 wins hands down. What with the sigma 30/2.8 there is a great lens line up evolving. With the Zeiss 24, for landscapes, it gives my 5D2 a run for its money. I use this for hiking/travel.

For for focus speed, the E-P3 wins hands down. I use this for people shots where 12mp is enough - family friends portraits etc.

Two different systems, both with pros and cons.
Both cameras with kit lenses attached - practically identical in size.

If I had to choose once system? I'd go with the NEX...

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MBRuss
By MBRuss (May 17, 2012)

You must've missed the new 50mm F1.8 lens then, or the 24mm F1.8 Zeiss, or the two new F2.8 Sigmas. (30mm & 19mm). Plenty of DOF control, and that's without even mentioning the numerous legacy glass that can be used.

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FTW
By FTW (May 17, 2012)

The bigger sensor bigger lenses stuff is bullsh.t. The problem is only the distance to the sensor due to the mirror housing. A lens that comes closer to the sensor can get a better light concentration than a larger lens. Use a magnifying glass and put the sun-light trough it and you see what happens. If the glass is bigger you will have to go further away form the spot to concentrate the light. In a photo lens it is the same and to fill the sensor surface with light in a DSLR, you need a larger size to get a light concentration that is sufficient. Why do mini sensosr make such a good job with high pixels. The reason is a small surface and there it is easier to get the whole sensor in the light-spot. The bigger the sensor, the further you need to go away form it when you use a mirror and thus the larger the lens. If we manage to make mirror-less medium format digitals, we can reduce the body to the size of a regular full-frame DSLR and use similar in size lenses too.

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FTW
By FTW (May 17, 2012)

I wait now for Sony's new full frame to come. If they go for a mirror-less concept, the body will be quiet compact. Will they tan have to do complete new lenses, I would say yes, or you will be able to use apsc lenses on them if the lens comes closer to the sensor. A mirror-less full frame would be the great deal anyway.

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D8334
By D8334 (May 17, 2012)

Not true: lenses can be better, smaller, lighter, cheaper because there is no mirror. For example mirrors forced manufacturers to build retrofocal lenses.

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SamTruax
By SamTruax (May 17, 2012)

@thx1138... a heck of a lot more DOF control then the m 4/3 kit lenses with the same specs.
I held off on the 5n for a long time and I am still using m 4/3 along side it but the 5n sensor really is incredible and working with legacy lenses is a dream.

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Refudiate
By Refudiate (May 17, 2012)

You can get a thin profile standard prime for micro 4/3. The 20mm f/1.7 has been available for years.

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Edymagno
By Edymagno (May 17, 2012)

As long as Sony doesn't come with new improved, smaller lenses, the NEX line of cameras is screwed.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

@FTW No. APS-C requires a larger focal length lens. actually one of the things that makes it desirable in dslrs. Larger focal length lenses are always gonna be bigger, and so far any marginal gains from the mirror box being gone HAS NOT resulted in lenses significantly smaller than DSLR lenses.

Guys there is no theory involved here. The nex cameras are here and have been here for years. The lenses are to big to be seen as portable by anyone who does not carry a purse. that is why they are so popular with women (mirrorless in general that is)

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (May 17, 2012)

the 20mm panasonic may not be much wider in angle view but the distortion characteristics are significant enough to not be good for portraits. the leica 25mm does not suffer from this

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rexjak
By rexjak (May 17, 2012)

Is this the "high magnification zoom" on the roadmap for mid-2012, or is that still to be announced? I really need 300...

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brianbxb
By brianbxb (May 20, 2012)

A comment and a question ; the debate about sensor size and body/lens weight never seems to include any mention of the light volume entering the camera which common sense tells me is a big factor in image quality.

I know that lens aperture a goes long way to deciding this and the bigger the sensor the larger the area over which the trapped light is dispersed.

That's about the limit of my understanding but would a physics sage please explain why a very wide aperture lens focusing light on a small sensor would not give the best results.

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