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Dan Chung posts 5D Mark III vs. D800 video shootout

By dpreview staff on Apr 4, 2012 at 17:37 GMT

Award-winning photojournalist and videographer Dan Chung from DSLR News Shooter has just posted a video shootout pitting the Canon EOS 5D Mark III against the Nikon D800. In the interesting and in-depth article accompanying it, Chung looks at the video features of both cameras in detail and compares them, not only in terms of output quality, but also usability.

Among the factors covered are the cameras' video detail resolution, susceptibility to moiré patterning and the extent of rolling shutter effect. Using a range of different lenses and accessories on both cameras, Dan also takes a detailed look at how well each camera fits into a professional video workflow.

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tyb
By tyb (Apr 4, 2012)

Looks like two able cameras to me. Seems no reason for canon user to switch and also no reason a Nikon user would consider going to Canon either. I'd call it a draw...

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

Totally agree. I bought a 5D II last year because I wanted to learn to shoot video, and the 5D II was better than anything Nikon offered at the time. This is no longer the case, and I no longer have the 5D II, and now own a D800. That is, as soon as it arrives.
Nice test, thanks Mr Chung and thanks DPR.

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onlooker
By onlooker (Apr 4, 2012)

Fully agree with tyb as far as existing users go. But for new users the price difference changes the picture.

4 upvotes
Superka
By Superka (Apr 4, 2012)

I hope the next generation of DSLR would be able to able to record video with all of their pixels, combining 4 RGBG pixels in one video pixel, as digital Cinema cameras do.

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ryansholl
By ryansholl (Apr 4, 2012)

Three years ago the thought of HD video from a DSLR was cause for hysterics. "I don't want my brand to sacrifice still image quality for video features"

Where did the uproar go?

3 upvotes
altenae
By altenae (Apr 4, 2012)

Same here.
Still images should be the most importance.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Apr 4, 2012)

It's because it has been 3½ years ago & you couldn't stop the tidal wave.

But that doesn't mean the tidal wave was a GOOD thing.

LRH

3 upvotes
graphic_chris
By graphic_chris (Apr 4, 2012)

does you 3-4 year old camera take better stills than 5D MKIII or D800 becuase they implement video?

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AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Apr 5, 2012)

It is time for 4k resolution.

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Mtsuoka
By Mtsuoka (Apr 6, 2012)

@graphic_chris
there is sign that improvements in video at the expense of still quality
5D2 has a weak AA - good for stills
5D3 has better aliasing and moire due to the stronger AA used

not to mention the price hike..it's good price for video shooters but not to good for still shooters

it's not a N vs C post, btw

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DotCom Editor
By DotCom Editor (Apr 4, 2012)

"Kudos to Nikon for inviting myself and others..."

That's as far as I read, the first sentence of the second paragraph. Until this person learns correct grammar, his content remains equally suspect."Me," "myself," and "I" are not interchangeable.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 4, 2012)

Quite arrogant, aren't we?

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Mtsuoka
By Mtsuoka (Apr 5, 2012)

another grammar police

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Apr 5, 2012)

All that matters is that you understand what the writer was trying to communicate. " incorrect" grammar is irrelevant unless it is getting in the way of understanding the message.

One's understanding of grammar has nothing to do with their overall intelligence or their understanding of DSLRs.

By rushing to criticize something so irrelevant in-order to feel somehow better than the author, you have only shown your own arrogant ignorance.

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freeelectron
By freeelectron (Apr 4, 2012)

So what?

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Superka
By Superka (Apr 4, 2012)

Shooting squirrels handheld at long focal length is good test of rolling shutter.
In other aspects it is a good and interesting review.

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Apr 4, 2012)

Canon loses again...yawn

4 upvotes
Superka
By Superka (Apr 4, 2012)

Read the article first

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Apr 4, 2012)

No you

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ksgant
By ksgant (Apr 4, 2012)

Near the end of the review: "For an all-round camera for video the 5D mkIII would suit my needs best."

This guy is mainly a video shooter too. So...not a "Canon loses again" type thing. Seriously, read the entire thing. It's interesting. Well...it was to me.

5 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Apr 4, 2012)

Pity the "ignore"s from the forum do not work in the comment section.

6 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

Don't have time to read it now, but is Chung saying that if you sharpen the 5D III in post, then the acutance will be equal? Doesn't sound like an ideal solution for Canon shooters, but OK.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 4, 2012)

Canon cameras often require some minor tweaking of picture styles to create sharp SOOC output. But you work that out in your first couple of weeks with the camera, get your ouput style dialed in and then you are set. The default is always a bit softer, though.

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LSE
By LSE (Apr 5, 2012)

you can't sharpen resolution in.

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Dannyboy292
By Dannyboy292 (Apr 4, 2012)

The test is not right...use a canon lens on the canon and the Nikon equivalent on the Nikon, canon users shoot with canon lenses not Nikon!

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

In the video world, almost every Canon shooter uses some AIS Nikkors. Besides, why would you use different lenses in a camera shootout?

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Dannyboy292
By Dannyboy292 (Apr 4, 2012)

so why not do the test with say a 3rd party lens that's not canon or Nikon?....so neither camera has an advantage of using there own brand of lenses.

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Superka
By Superka (Apr 4, 2012)

I shoot with USSR Helios lenses, which are much more perfect then any Canon, Nikon, etc.. lenses. I love Canon for the possobility to put everything on it.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

He's using the exact same lens on each camera. There is no advantage for Nikon. None. Chung has removed a variable by using the same lens on each camera. The fact that it's a Nikon lens is meaningless. The D800 doesn't get special super powers because he mounted a 10 year old pre-digital AF-D lens.

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Dannyboy292
By Dannyboy292 (Apr 4, 2012)

so why not do the test again but this time use a canon lens and see if the nikon boys feel the same way !

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chyll2
By chyll2 (Apr 4, 2012)

@dannyboy292
you cannot mound Canon lens on nikon body even with an adapter (unless you use an adapter with glass, which degrades the IQ)

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Michael S.
By Michael S. (Apr 4, 2012)

Entering the Canon-FanBoy...

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LSE
By LSE (Apr 5, 2012)

it won't matter. same result

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treepop
By treepop (Apr 4, 2012)

Still waiting on DPreview and DXOMark's review....le sigh

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Apr 4, 2012)

Great, so now there's more choice.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Apr 4, 2012)

Sounds like the D800 is better unless you don't like moire.

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altenae
By altenae (Apr 4, 2012)

Read again

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Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (Apr 5, 2012)

For professionnal videoshooters is moire a no go.

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LSE
By LSE (Apr 5, 2012)

plenty of great work was done with the 5dMKII by "professionals". The D800 will do fantastic in the hands of many.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 4, 2012)

earlier i had pointed out Philip Bloom's review of the 5DMkIII video...
he has had an about face turn on his opinion for its video footage, where aliasing is not a problem and the sharpness in fact now is stunning if resorting to a mere 'sharpening filter' in post...

you have to see the footage to see the massive change in video IQ
http://philipbloom.net/2012/03/22/5dmk3/

no bizarre software crack required, like Pany's GH2, nor bizarre tear-down of the body to remove the anti-aliasing filter by one of his colleagues (on EOSHD). nor running totally 'default' and unprocessed as the above review shows.

while most have felt 5DMkIII footage 'too soft' or 'mushy'... that is just default footage... if one looks at optional pp (that most do anyway before publishing), then it is now stunningly peerless amongst any dSLR FF or APS sensored. making even captured stills off of video look crisp.

odd... that so many other review/comparison websites are silent on what Philip Bloom came across...

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

Post processing can be done with any camera, that doesn't make it a great solution. And the GH2 "hack" is not bizarre it just raises the max bit-rate that the camera can shoot at.

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inorogNL
By inorogNL (Apr 4, 2012)

only "bizarre" thing I see is that $800 camera beats the crap out new new $3500 camera in video, Hallo Canon wake up!

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altenae
By altenae (Apr 4, 2012)

Beats the crap , not really....
Wake up Canon why ?

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 4, 2012)

bizarre only in the sense one has to alter an original camera.

and pp sharpening for video does not necessarily guarantee good results as Philip mentioned.

my point is 5DMkIII has that benefit for anyone who has that camera, including borrowed or rented without any mods.

if you haven't even looked at the video with pp sharpening filter, you couldn't offer a better alternative out there, because there are none unmodded, and none FF, that's for sure.

so, if you, as a Cinematographer want to ignore what's possible with anyone's copy of the FF 5DMkIII, then it would be foolhardy, as it would make you that much less competitive, being less flexible, or less ideally equipped.

just sharing the added distinct benefits of higher IQ for video that translates well for the 5DMkIII.

you can ignore it, and dismiss it, offering nothing better, but cannot deny it.

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Ivanaker
By Ivanaker (Apr 4, 2012)

Dont forget that Canon has expsimlvmode or whatever you like to call it.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Apr 4, 2012)

Philip found that the output of the mkII did not do well with post (as far as sharpening) but the MK III just loves it. Watch his video for explanation.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 4, 2012)

It's still an extra step, a caveat that the 5D III can produce a sharp, clean video image IF you add a little sharpening in post. Clearly that's not what many were hoping for when we first heard details of Canon's ALL I-Frame, higher bit-rate mode. Many videographers were hoping for a jump in resolution from the 5D II.

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LSE
By LSE (Apr 5, 2012)

you can't sharpen resolution in period. it will give the footage more punch, but not more detail. It is perceived resolution, and not true resolution. remains to be seen how good the HDMI out on the nikon is but in its internal codec it already beats the 5DmkIII. Take that to the next level with prores and 4:2:2 color and the result should be near perfect 1080 like that of the GH2.

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Ibida Bab
By Ibida Bab (Apr 4, 2012)

Canon the Barbarian did it.

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davidxyz
By davidxyz (Apr 4, 2012)

I'm no expert but these seem pretty close. Contrary to what I've read the D800 appears to have warmer, punchier yellows but muted reds in comparison. Maybe D800 is a bit smoother. Fantasitc stuff, six or seven years ago this level of comptence would have been unthinkable in a 35mm SLR

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lglass12189
By lglass12189 (Apr 4, 2012)

Even though you say he used a variety of lens, he states the test was done with a Nikon lens on both cameras "For this test I used the same Nikon 80-200 f2.8 AFD lens with both cameras". Why not nikon on nikon and canon on canon? It becomes a skewed test in my book.

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Cuong Duong
By Cuong Duong (Apr 4, 2012)

He stated his reason: "In order to do this it was essential to use the same lens on both cameras – any other way and you are essentially testing lens/camera combinations and not the camera."

That seems to be a very valid reason in my opinion.

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lglass12189
By lglass12189 (Apr 4, 2012)

Not really his explaination dosen't hold water, First if you own Canon you will shoot with the canon lens you own, not go buy a Nikon. And second he is making an assumption that that the Nikon lens is optically designed to work with canon.

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Mtsuoka
By Mtsuoka (Apr 4, 2012)

it's because you cannot blame the lens if it turns out to be negartive for your favorite brand, they could use Zeiss lens as well

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 4, 2012)

Well, and also because a lot of people that shoot video on Canon DSLRs 'seriously' use Nikon and similar lenses, via adapters, for the sake of mechanical aperture control.

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ah2610
By ah2610 (Apr 4, 2012)

"pitting the Canon 5D III" ?
interesting...:)

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