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Just Posted: In-depth Review of the Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20/TZ30

By dpreview staff on Apr 27, 2012 at 00:21 GMT
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Just published: Jeff Keller's in-depth review of the Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 (TZ30 outside the US). The ZS20 is the slimmest 20x zoom camera on the market, with a lens covering a 24-480mm equivalent range and featuring the company's latest Power O.I.S stabilization. The 14MP high-speed MOS sensor allows the ZS20 to autofocus in as little as 0.1 seconds, and shoot at up to 10 frames per second (5fps with AF-tracking). It also has GPS and an updated mapping function to show photos on a map with greater detail. The ZS20 can capture 1080p60 movies in AVCHD or, in an interesting step for one of the creators of AVCHD, it can shoot 1080p30 in MP4 format.

This review is based on one originally published at The Digital Camera Resource Page, enhanced with a full set of our own product images, our usual studio comparisons and an expanded samples gallery, plus the addition of a standard dpreview score. We've been fans of Jeff's work at dcresource for years and we'll be working with him to bring some of his top-quality reviews to dpreview.com in the coming months. We want to give you as much high-quality content as we can, in as timely a fashion as possible and we believe this is a great way of diversifying our reviews. Let us know what you think.

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Total comments: 115
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rightmacatcha
By rightmacatcha (4 months ago)

I have the ZS19 (basically the ZS20 without the GPS). Outdoors this camera's shots gets high marks. Inside .. oh lord .. Inside ... I'm not the best photographer by any means, but I certainly expected more low-light performance than what I got and I stopped taking pictures at get-togethers with this camera and just used the phone. I finally got out of the house with a friend yesterday and decided to get some opinions. We compared cameras and he took some shots and it was decided: "this is not the camera for me and my uses..." I found the Panasonic Lumix LX7 on-sale at a local Wolf's camera (I had thought about stepping up to mirror less, but this camera costs about the same as one of their lenses, so I'll start here). I'm taken away with the low-light performance using auto features. I've started playing a lot more and doing more reading. I'll keep the ZS19 in the car, but I'll carry the LX7 with me.

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gossamer1941
By gossamer1941 (5 months ago)

I'm afraid I haven't enjoyed my TZ30. It failed after a couple of months and despite having guarantee paperwork when I bought it in Australia- Lumix/Panasonic refused to deal under warranty. I had to send it back to Australia for warranty repair and now they have refused to send it back to me in Europe where I am on extended vacation. Very poor for an international company.
The camera is only at least equal to my Nikon Coolpix despite its Leica lens.

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junetan7
By junetan7 (Mar 23, 2013)

I regretted getting TZ30. At S$600, I would have expected that it's better than my S$300 Canon.
But no.

There's always this dark shadow at the bottom left whenever I use the flash. It makes my photo appear eerie as if it's haunted.

Really a thorn in the flesh.

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dani5791
By dani5791 (Sep 12, 2012)

Upload Set: photos and videos can be tagged for uploading to Facebook or YouTube when you connect to your PC and use the Lumix Uploader software built into the camera

this does not work for me, any ideas?

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RobertRobert
By RobertRobert (May 17, 2012)

I can't understand the (detailed) manual's explanations of certain functions. Camera companies are not so good at explaining. I know I have plenty of company here...I have a Nikon for which a "Missing Manual" was published...so even among high-end users, there is a demand for a more understandable set of instructions.

I concede I am not an intuitive genius at interfaces, etc; but I am not THAT bad either. Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a "Missing Manual" published
for Lumix -- probably not as much demand as for iMovie, Nikon, etc. Perhaps
if manual-writing teams were to include a focus group of people who have
only fair technical ability, things would be better.

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consultant1027
By consultant1027 (May 8, 2012)

Been on here for years. Good review by Jeff. Man people are anal regarding getting all bent out of shape about a 'guest reviewer'

One thing the never ceases to tire me is all these photography wonks criticizing a camera in the context of comparing the IQ to cameras not in the same class. For a 20x zoom pocketable camera, this (and its competitors) are pretty amazing, and more importantly, USEFUL little wonders. I admit I didn't upgrade from a ZS3 and ZS7 for years just because I didn't want to take a step backwords in noise and detail just to get 1080P video, GPS, touchscreen, or a longer zoom. Thankfully at least the ZS20/19 is now about on par with the ZS7 and the ZS15 even better.

Have a ZS19 sitting on my desk and a ZS15 arriving today. If the video quality with the nono mic on the ZS15 is not significantly different and the IQ improvement is decent, I'll keep the ZS15.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (May 1, 2012)

OK who got my DCResource in my DPreview?

What's going on guys? Why is Jeff writing for dpreview when he has his own great site?

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J C Brown
By J C Brown (Apr 30, 2012)

I was very surprised when I came across Jeff Keller’s description the Extra Optical Zoom feature in the DC Resource review of the ZS15 and even more surprised to find an almost identical description in the DPR review of the ZS20 in which he wrote "....so you'd top out at a whopping 67.5X if you used both at the 5MP resolution; don't forget your tripod!”

When statements such as these appear in "official reviews", it is hardly surprising that there is confusion about the true nature of Extra Optical Zoom.

As can be easily demonstrated, the use of EZ does not increase the need to use a tripod to prevent blurring due to camera shake.

With a camera set for a full frame image at maximum zoom find the lowest shutter speed at which the camera shake warning is not displayed then select a much smaller EZ image. As that does not cause the camera shake warning to appear it is obvious that the focal length is unchanged and the use of EZ has not increased the need to use a tripod.

J C Brown

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Svein Eriksen
By Svein Eriksen (Apr 30, 2012)

The focal length is not changed, but the area of the sensor that is used for the final picture is. So given a fixed output size then you'll need a bigger enlargement using EZ-zoom and sharpness is more critical.

If you compare with a crop similar to using the EZ-zoom then there's no difference, but given that both images are used "uncropped" (I know EZ-zoom is cropping) then you actually need faster shutterspeeds (or a tripod) using EZ-zoom.

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J C Brown
By J C Brown (Apr 30, 2012)

The use of EZ does not alter the focal length of the lens or the pixel dimensions. Consequently in relation to the size of a pixel the magnitude of the blurring which would result from a specific angular movement is exactly the same for a full frame image as it is for an EZ image.

Thus when viewed at the same overall size the amount of motion induced blurring in a 3MP EZ image and an equivalent 3MP crop from a full frame image would be identical.

I would however agree that if the intention is to make the largest possible enlargement from either a 3MP EZ image or the equivalent 3MP crop then in both cases it is equally necessary to use a sturdy tripod and switch off the OIS.

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Cobra Wing
By Cobra Wing (Apr 29, 2012)

A very good review that didn't sugar coat anything. The overall final grade of 75 was a tad high but still in the ballpark I suppose. Once you start assigning number values to things you can argue all day long. I simply want to thank Jeff and especially DPR for including other experts reviewers like Jeff (who's from Digital Camera Review - DCR) to appear here. DPR represents the best and they got it in Jeff.

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (Apr 29, 2012)

I would like to applaud DPR for involving Jeff from (DCR) to review here as well. He is absolutely capable and did a good job on this review. The tent is big enough to include rather than exclude valued opinions of other experts. Good job DPR.

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Jim144
By Jim144 (Apr 28, 2012)

I disagree with those who think Jeff's reviews are suitable to be published here. The two sites are completely different, and I don't think that DPR's reviews and conclusions should be confused by the addition of non-standard testing. Jeff, I'll always continue to read your reviews on DCRes, but I value more the consistency of reviews on both your site and this one. I would much prefer the sites remained distinct.

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Ianperegian
By Ianperegian (Apr 30, 2012)

I agree with you. Jeff's reviews have always had a quite different approach to DPR's and they should remain separate. I can't see any point in just repeating verbatim a review that was published elsewhere and adding a score to it. In that case why not simply provide the link to Jeff's review and save the trouble of copying it? Publishing the same review on different sites is not really helping anyone.

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Vladilena
By Vladilena (May 2, 2012)

IMO, Jeff had been losing many visitors over the years. A simple published review here could benefit both his site (public awareness) and this site (more compact camera reviews)..

Just my 2c.

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markcaff
By markcaff (Apr 28, 2012)

Schaki:... Just Looking at random Photos from these cameras...is not going to work!... It’s to hard to tell? You need to see the same shot... same lighting, iso and all other conditions and then those shots magnified it to see the real differences. Look at the last four images and enlarge.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_zs15-review?page=0,2

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schaki
By schaki (Apr 28, 2012)

That's just controlled studio-tests. In real life pictures, landscape, disclosured the the waterpaintings which the Panasonic ZS20 is up to. I had already seen that in the Dpreview samples and here is another which you seem to have missed. http://www.dcresource.com/sites/default/files/galleries/panasonic-lumix-dmc-zs15-photo-gallery/P1010166.Jpg

You are a trollin Panny-fanboy with only two posts so. So, I'll not feed the troll but rather disclosure it ;)

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markcaff
By markcaff (Apr 28, 2012)

Schaki... Well, I guess We have a big difference of opinion on how to judge cameras and image value!... I might have missed that image(your link) not sure... as Your link does not work?? Try to stick to the topic and facts ...I’m not sure why you feel the need to attack me personally? but like many of your statements... even that doesn’t make any sense.

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (Apr 29, 2012)

@Schaki - We could really use a bit more professionalism here. There was no need to personally go after someone (markcaff) with a differing opinion. I don't post here often but I've been here a long time. Attacks like yours keep many of us from posting here. Please stop it.

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schaki
By schaki (Apr 28, 2012)

Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 for these which may like to create waterpaintings with a camera. Canon Powershot SX240/260 are marginally better http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sx260-review/gallery
Nikon Coolpix 9300 just about OK. But it is a quite bad copy of the zoom which have been used in the test with full-size sample images which I noticed. Especially the left side of the zoom seems to be very soft. Noticeably in the picture with all the flowers and also some other. http://dpinterface.com/2012/04/23/nikon-coolpix-s9300-photo-gallery/

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markcaff
By markcaff (Apr 28, 2012)

Good Job.. Jeff. Okay... So now we know that the Panasonic ZS15 is a little better than the ZS20 in IQ... and that the Nikon S9300 is out of the race.. The Canon SX260 HS is a little ahead of the ZS15 in IQ .....Now, Where Do the Sony’s... HX10V and HX20V Fit in this comparison?? Waiting to see how they stack up against the Canon and Panasonic.

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ecm
By ecm (May 4, 2012)

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camcom12
By camcom12 (Apr 28, 2012)

Glad to see Jeff's reviews here. As was suggested, he could cover the higher-end compacts & superzooms while DPR covers ILCs & DSLRs? Perhaps this leaves room for a few more lens & accessory reviews also.
Looking for the HX30V review before considering a ZS20.

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Pixel Judge
By Pixel Judge (Apr 28, 2012)

Bravo, Jeff! I always like to see compact camera reviews, and DCR has more compact camera reviews than DPR.
This COMPACT camera is a result of pixel count and long range lens war: 14MP + 24~480mm lens = poor IQ (although improved). Target for travelers like my Grandpa who don't really need long range and mega pixels.
For that same price and size you can have 10MP 24~90mm Psonic LX5 which gives you much better image. Or pay a little more you get another fast 10MP 28~112m Oly XZ1.
Look at page 8 and compare yourself.

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El Crapio
By El Crapio (Apr 28, 2012)

LOL! I didn't realize it was the guy from dcresource until I read about the plastic door over the battery compartment being on the flimsy side. XD

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Mugundhan
By Mugundhan (Apr 27, 2012)

Given that K-01 has been out for a while, when is the review due in dpreview
Jeff keller says his K-01 review is ongoing

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Apr 27, 2012)

I have a nasty flare with Canon 230HS and so I am glad to see this reviewer at least mention ZS20 nanocoating as a way to reduce this deficiency.

These days I'd never buy a fixed lens cam without some testing for flare -- either by myself or via dpr-like reports. Flare not only whacks your pics (the good ones, of course), it limits -- perhaps subconsciously -- your composition.

Finally, it would be nice to give a place to ZS20 in the last year's dpr travel zoom roundup -- with all improvements noted. As you can guess I am not happy with dpr standings in that report.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Apr 27, 2012)

the fuzziness of Canon's jpeg (maybe due to lenses) is the biggest weakness of their cameras IMHO

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RickS
By RickS (Apr 28, 2012)

Actually, I think their dog slow operation is Canon's biggest weakness. Even Nikon P&S cameras are more responsive and Panys are much quicker.

Canon needs to get on the ball with this.

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DjarumBlack
By DjarumBlack (Apr 27, 2012)

Personally I've been a huge fan of his for years. He's always been honest and I think takes a real world perspective on how the user is going to use the camera. While his image quality tests aren't as scientific as DPR, I feel that they reflect how the person is going to use the camera.

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Apr 27, 2012)

I don't know what dpreview's frame of reference is but if you compare this camera's high ISO performance to the legendary Fuji F30 then it's quite decent. Yet the reviewer calls it poor. It looked to me that even at ISO3200 it's very usable for the web and even (smaller) prints but the reviewer says it is unusable.

Perhaps he's comparing this camera to a Dslr.

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Apr 27, 2012)

Jeff Keller reviewing for dpr- that's interesting.
I won't say more otherwise my post will be deleted again (very classy btw).
Suffice to say I think the guy knows his stuff and concentrates on the important things.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Apr 27, 2012)

this is your first comment on this story...

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Apr 27, 2012)

Yes but my last comment on the new search was deleted beacause I dared to mention the word reviews in it ;-)

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Apr 27, 2012)

it was deleted because as usual you dragged the conversation off-topic, and we delete off-topic comments. Your opinions on the myriad ways we do things wrong are noted, I assure you. I just ask that you try to keep your comments relevant to the content.

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RockyOne
By RockyOne (Apr 27, 2012)

Well done Simon. At least both parties appear to be acting in a mature manner. Valuable info which can help us to get better bang for the buck.Great

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (Apr 27, 2012)

TS-20...???... click the review and look at the top.

Why does the top of the review pages say "TS-20" ...this isn't the TS-20 ...a typo I'm sure, but still, title the page with the right camera guys, c'mon.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 27, 2012)

Fixed.

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (Apr 27, 2012)

Good job Barney ...it happens.

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viztyger
By viztyger (Apr 27, 2012)

Excellent review; I've always liked Jeff's personal style. I'm a little dismayed though to see antiquated British Imperial Measurements used exclusively in some charts. I would appreciate metric equivalents or being able to switch back and forth.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 27, 2012)

Is an imperial inch any different from one prescribed by the US BNS? In the US, distances, weights, and liquid measures are still expressed in terms of feet, miles, pounds, and ounces. Grain sells in bushels. Oil in barrels, rather than cubic meters. Even sensor sizes are often stated in an obscure way, such as 1/2.3". Camera lenses are an exception.

How does a metric teaspoon compare to an imperial one?

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Demon Cleaner
By Demon Cleaner (Apr 27, 2012)

Cy, that first sentence of yours has left me scratching my head a little. I think the point Viztyger is trying to make is that DPR has an international readership, however the USA is the only industrialised nation that still uses the imperial system of units in any official capacity. Not that the use of either overly bothers me personally.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Apr 27, 2012)

The Great Pyramid inch and the current inch are very, very close.

The metric system is artificial compared to the inch.

Acceleration for this planet is 32 feet (per sec squared) but in meters it is 9.81... .

etc., etc.. (yeah, it gets cosmic)

Stick to inches.

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btwango
By btwango (Apr 28, 2012)

@OneGuy
You're an idiot. "metric system is artificial"? You are suggesting imperial is not? Besides,the standard average of g is 32.2 feet/sec^2. Also,g varies depending on your position on earth.

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Apr 28, 2012)

dear twango, stay earth-bound. There are plenty of rocks to hide under -- and this is not a suggestion.

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Ron Tolmie
By Ron Tolmie (Apr 27, 2012)

The review concluded that the ZS20 images were a little noisy and appeared soft. However, it takes only a few keystrokes in post processing to make major improvements in the noise and image clarity. For cameras that have tiny sensors that should be a standard practice for any image for which you want to make large prints or do 100% screen viewing. Cameras that try to do such processing in the camera often produce comparatively poor results. The OOC camera comparisons may be valid if you only want quick snapshots but they may not be accurate, or even useful, if the objective is to produce high quality final images.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 27, 2012)

Whatever you can do to ZS20 images, you can do to ANY images, so leaving the as shot for the review is the most sane way to compare cameras.

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Ron Tolmie
By Ron Tolmie (Apr 27, 2012)

The output from the sensor is not an image but rather a very long string of digital numbers that have to be processed to create the image that is to be printed or viewed. You can get a better result if some of the final processing steps are done in a computer rather than in the camera. Many cameras produce a RAW image that is only partly processed and depends on external processing to produce what you see on the screen. Others, like the ZS20, produce an image that allows the users to finish the job if they are picky about image quality.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Apr 27, 2012)

Most of the people who buy this type of camera don't do any post processing at all. It would be silly to use anything other than the out of camera results.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 27, 2012)

I know how RAW and JPEG works. It just seems you are implying that there is something special about the ZS20 and it can magically be made super with a little photoshop while photos from other cameras cannot.

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Ron Tolmie
By Ron Tolmie (Apr 27, 2012)

Josh152

It is probably correct to observe that most camera purchasers do not do post processing but many, if not most, of DPR readers DO use such processing as needed. The reviews should take into account the needs of those who are picky about IQ.

tkbslc

Cameras differ on where the interface between internal and external processing is set. What I was trying to say was that the ZS20 appears to have set that interface at a point that leaves a little more room for some of the processing to be done externally. The reviewer concluded that the images were inferior in IQ but that conclusion may be incorrect if you look at the final prints.

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Riccardo IT
By Riccardo IT (Apr 27, 2012)

Great idea.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Apr 27, 2012)

The whole dpreview desperately waits for in-depth reviews of D4, D800, 5D3, E-M5, K-01, X-Pro 1, NX20, X-S1... and you choose to review just another P&S first?

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Apr 27, 2012)

except if you read the story you'd see we didn't review it, Jeff @ dcresource did.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (Apr 27, 2012)

Farming out selected reviews to competent and trusted sources is an excellent idea. This would help to focus available resources of this site on most complex and labor or testing equipment intense reviews like top of the line DSLR's or other significant camera systems.
BTW P&S reviews are as important to potential users as DSLR reviews to their segment of interest. Nice to have them both covered in a timely fashion.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Apr 27, 2012)

Look. We are in the middle of the most significant new camera release season in at least 4 years, since the last gen professional cameras and the first mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras were released. CaNikon released their new FF, with D800 challenging MF quality. Olympus started new line with pro-like features and quality. Pentax and Fujitsu introduced new lines, their first challenging SLRs (and probably replacing SLRs in the future). Samsung introduced first connected cameras, in their 2nd gen MILCs finally challenging m43s and NEXs. Every one of the developments is nothing short of sensational! After the boring years of next Rebels! Some of the cameras are out for months. And where are the reviews? We need to know what is hype and what is real, thousands of $$$ are at stake.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 27, 2012)

Yes, we know, and that's why we're working hard to get the reviews out, and why we're getting people like Jeff involved to lighten the load on the 'in house' reviewers. 20+ page reviews of compex cameras take time but you will see the big reviews very soon.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (Apr 27, 2012)

@peevee1
Yes, new developments are exciting and there is already a lot of available info on the web (forums here in particular) to help in making an informed purchasing decision if this is an ultimate goal.
I don't believe that whole DPR readership is waiting desperately on in depth review of cameras you have mentioned but I do believe they are doing their best to complete and publish them as soon as they can. Sitting on the fence and waiting for DPR review of selected camera(s) to separate grain from husk and to make purchasing decision for me was never an issue. I really enjoyed their reviews afterwards but more importantly I was able to enjoy my purchases without regrets in the meantime.

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DELETED88781
By DELETED88781 (Apr 27, 2012)

Amazing wise selection of reference photos that can easily compare the dynamic range!! among various cameras.

Based on dcresource we can see that Nikon has a Significant lead then canon and Panasonic as far as DR.Please make that photo uniform for all your camera tests.
here is one of the best DR comparison photos:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/1908990/jk_p1000036?inalbum=panasonic-lumix-dmc-zs20-tz30-review-samples

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Babya
By Babya (Apr 27, 2012)

I always admire Jeff's reviews over at DCResource, so I'm very pleased to see his on here .

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Jake
By Jake (Apr 27, 2012)

Let's vote on the dimensions of this baby and stick with it.

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tinpusher
By tinpusher (Apr 27, 2012)

Good to see Jeff on board..been a quiet admirer of his work for years.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Apr 27, 2012)

To Dpreview or/and Dcresource : Have any info about ZS15's sensor?
Please

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Steen Bay
By Steen Bay (Apr 27, 2012)

If the ZS15 has the same 12mp CMOS sensor as used in the FZ150, then it's probably better than the 14mp ZS20 sensor (assuming that the ZS20 has the same 14mp CMOS sensor as the FZ100).

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Apr 27, 2012)

Well ZS15 has better IQ than ZS20 from samples I saw, I am curious about the origins of that sensor, to much resemblance with Sony backlits (even in size)
PS ZS20 doing better than FZ100 and ZS10 so sensor is improved

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lensberg
By lensberg (Apr 27, 2012)

As far as i know, i don't think Sony ever produced a 14 MP BSI CMOS sensor...

Exmor R CMOS chips have been available in 10, 12, 16 and now 18 MP ... By the way they built it in 5 & 8 MP as well... but that was for the Xperia range of handsets...

I sincerely hope Panasonic swallows its pride and utilizes Sony's expertise at 1/2.3" sensor development just like Canon & Nikon have in their point & shoot range... If not, the FZ200 is destined for failure... assuming they use this same 14 MP backside illuminated sensor...

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Apr 27, 2012)

I was talking about 12mp chip, so either I don't think that 14mp one can be Sony, when I saw FZ150 pics back in 2011 I suggested that they used Sony sensor due to big IQ improvement over FZ100 and slightly different dimensions of FZ150's sensor

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=39316514

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Sergio DS
By Sergio DS (Apr 27, 2012)

Jeff has also reviewed the Z15 and has found it does have better image quality than the Z20, just check his site for the review

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Apr 27, 2012)

I saw it, one more reason to be curious

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hajagosb
By hajagosb (Apr 27, 2012)

nice, but where is the d800/d800e review?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 27, 2012)

Nearly finished.

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hajagosb
By hajagosb (Apr 28, 2012)

great, thanks, hardly wait

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Deleted1929
By Deleted1929 (Apr 27, 2012)

I'm happy to see Jeff Keller writing reviews for DPR. His DCResource.com website is my other main source for photography reviews and I hope DPR and he can work out a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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jon404
By jon404 (Apr 27, 2012)

Image quality, ouch! Price about the same as my Olympus XZ-1, but pictures far, far worse. Not ready for prime time.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 27, 2012)

I want to see your XZ-1 images cropped to 400mm equivalent.

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Apr 27, 2012)

Thanks for the review. Not many P&S reviews lately here.

However, I think it's pity it was not a twin review of TZ30 *and* TZ25. The other latter is equiped with 12MPix sensor, presumably the same one utilized in FZ150. It might have been an interesting comparision between those two models.

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lensberg
By lensberg (Apr 27, 2012)

The image quality is absolutely appalling at anything beyond ISO 100 ... very disappointing indeed... Panasonic should have stuck to the 12 MP sensor, such as the one found in the FZ150...

Canon seems to be the only company capable of delivering good IQ at high sensitivities, using a high density 1/2.3" sensor... such as the exceptional IXUS 125. I guess its got to do with their superior JPEG processing & Digic 5 combo producing great results...

By the way... Sony's new 18.2 MP BSI Exmor R CMOS chip seems like a very promising proposition... their DSC-HX200V delivers good IQ all the way till ISO 800... (visibly better than their HX100V) and thats saying something coming from Sony... which is infamous for their heavy handed NR & overcooked JPEG's...

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patcam7122
By patcam7122 (Apr 27, 2012)

If you can't tell the difference between photos from a Nikon D300S and a Panasonic point and shoot either there is something wrong with your vision or every other photographer on the planet has been doing it wrong all this time.

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jacobusgr
By jacobusgr (Apr 27, 2012)

I used my Nikon D300S for study and my panasonic ZS-20 for hollidays. There no difference between the pictures of both camera's in automatic. The panasonic is a super !!! camera

Marcel

1 upvote
ZAnton
By ZAnton (Apr 27, 2012)

Well, an interesting thing, if you compare cameras from the times of the first Superzooms (Sony H1, Minolta Z, Canon S1...) than they a kinda making progress step by step, but when I compare the image quality of my old Sony H2 (6MP, 10x zoom) with recent mega-zooms, it is BETTER!!!

14 MP on a tiny sensor is nonsence. IQ is crap. Yes, they have video and other rings and bells, but the most important thing of all photo cameras is IQ and it is not getting any better.
If you buy modern P&S, you can simply use reduced image size.

1 upvote
Larry Winters
By Larry Winters (Apr 27, 2012)

The ZS30 gets a 75 and the far superior FZ150 gets a 76. DPR scoring is ludicrous at best as they literally seem to change their criteria from one review to the next.

4 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (Apr 27, 2012)

The scores are relative to other cameras in the same category. You can't compare scores across categories. ZS30 is scored as a travel zoom, and FZ150 as a super zoom.

5 upvotes
Larry Winters
By Larry Winters (Apr 27, 2012)

I understand that logic but its flawed.
What if all of the cameras in a certain category were terrible but by definition one of them has to be rated the best, so it gets a non deserved high score. Yet in another category where all the cameras are very good, some of them are gonna get marked down just becasue there isn't enough room at the top. Therefore they get lower scores than the crappy cameras from the other group just because of stiffer competion. Yet they are superior cameras.

Another reason this strategy is flawed is because every year the quality and competition can change dramatically. So by using this flawed system a high quality camera from year one can get a lower score because of increased competition but that SAME camera could get a higher score the next year if the competitions camera were of lower quality.

I believe the higher quality camera should always get a higher score, irregardless of the category.

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 27, 2012)

Larry, change the record, please.

3 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (Apr 27, 2012)

I disagree. The only reasonable way to do it is to compare cameras with other current cameras of the same type. You have different demands and expectations regarding IQ, performance, features, build quality, price etc., depending on the type of camera.
Furthermore, if the very best cameras from say 2002 should be given as high a score if reviewed today as they got back then, how would you score the far superior modern cameras? Or do you suggest that they should have been given a lower score in 2002 just because they would be inferior to the cameras of the future? That logic is even more flawed. There is no absolute way of scoring a camera, it can only be relative to other cameras competing in the same market segment at the time of the review.

3 upvotes
KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (Apr 27, 2012)

Using the comparison tool, I found that the Canon SX230 is much better overall. The Lumix looks veeeeery soft around the edges, you can't see the characters on the batteries down left even at ISO 100.

2 upvotes
Larry Winters
By Larry Winters (Apr 27, 2012)

I agree. I actually compared my current SX230 to my old ZS3 and ZS7 and the SX230 always out resolved them corner to corner. Sample variation can present false values sometimes though.

2 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 27, 2012)

"I agree. I actually compared my current SX230 to my old ZS3 and ZS7 and the SX230 always out resolved them corner to corner. Sample variation can present false values sometimes though."

Yup, in the corners, the new lens is definitely inferior to the one in the ZS3/ZS7 (TZ7/TZ10) in the two bottom corners (couldn't reliably compare the two top corners as there is only a checkerboard there, allowing for very limited sharpness test). In the center, however, it seems to be even better (check out the fine lines on the banknote: they're better rendered on the ZS20 shot).

1 upvote
Mayank B
By Mayank B (Apr 27, 2012)

Wow, this is awesome! I am a big fan of DC Resource and it's great to see their (very consistent) reviews here on DP Review. A great collaboration, a win-win in my humble opinion :-)

6 upvotes
Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Apr 27, 2012)

Long time no LX6.

5 upvotes
ksang
By ksang (Apr 27, 2012)

I enjoyed reading this.

Thanks

0 upvotes
Vegasus
By Vegasus (Apr 27, 2012)

I have a few Panasonic LUMIX Pocket cameras, the quality of the picture is always or mostly good, especially under low lights. whats wrong with 75% overall rating? It's Leica lens what matters with panasonic Body and affordable.

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 27, 2012)

Leica doesn't necessarily mean BEST quality. This lens is definitely worse in the corners than non-Leica lens like that of the Canon SX230. (Or even earlier Leica-branded lens like that of the TZ7/10 - ZS3/7.)

1 upvote
Dolan Halbrook
By Dolan Halbrook (Apr 27, 2012)

Glad to see DCResource and DPreview joining forces! I'll keep my eye open for the Mickey figure :)

2 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 27, 2012)

I agree. The text, which I trust, doesn't support the number,

0 upvotes
photo nuts
By photo nuts (Apr 27, 2012)

The review is excellent.

But an overall 75% rating is kinda high and seems a little out of sync with older ratings in DPReview, especially since its jpeg image quality leaves much to be desired. What do others think?

5 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Apr 27, 2012)

It's actually kind of in the 'in line with our expectations for the class' type region. If you compare it against the score we gave the ZS10, (taking into account the fact that our expectations change by year, as the general standard of this tech improves) I think the score should make sense. It scores well for things like features, and drops a bit on IQ, etc. There's no perfect way of doing it though, of course.

3 upvotes
mendes
By mendes (Apr 27, 2012)

Agree the score is a little out of sync. It maybe desirable to set limiting factors on the overall score if image quality is not outstanding. In his Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS15 Review, Jeff says "For those who were considering the DMC-ZS20 but were turned off by its image quality, I think the ZS15 is well worth sacrificing the 20X zoom, GPS, and 1080/60p movies for.".

0 upvotes
eivissa1
By eivissa1 (Apr 27, 2012)

I am so happy that I still have the Panny TZ5; far better photquality, probably due to less MP's (10).

0 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 27, 2012)

"I am so happy that I still have the Panny TZ5; far better photquality, probably due to less MP's (10)."

WHile I haven't directly compared the TZ5's IQ to that of the TZ7/TZ10, but surely, so far, at least the last two models sensors/(same) lens have been the "sweet point" of the TZ series. Both the TZ20 and the TZ30 (that is, the 2011 and 2012 models) have been a letdown, IQ- and sharpness-wise. I think I'll stick with my ZS3 (TZ7) this year as well instead of upgrading to a camera with considerably lower IQ (the TZ30), even with the much larger shutter lag...

0 upvotes
DC Alford
By DC Alford (Apr 27, 2012)

Excellent idea & Kudos to Jeff & DPReview for being so innovative!
I respect Jeff & have read his reviews for years.

4 upvotes
radissimo
By radissimo (Apr 27, 2012)

Actually similar review is on DcResource website since end-february, updated later 3 days ago.

I don't care about the scanners, printers and all other stuff.It is sad that DPR has no more power and time to review the real cameras and need external sources for doing reviews. Perhaps they are working hard on some more exciting reviews. Then..bring it on!!!!

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