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645 PRO app for iPhone offers access to lossless camera output (but not Raw)

By dpreview staff on Apr 20, 2012 at 19:51 GMT

App developer Jag.gr has launched 645 PRO, a flexible photography and processing app that provides access to the lossless output of the iPhone's camera. The company grabs the processed camera output before the phone compresses it, and saves it as a TIFF file. These files, which it slightly optimistically calls 'Developed Raw,' can then be accessed via iTunes. The app also offers a series of features such as spot metering and exposure, focus and white balance lock, as well as a series of film simulation options and aspect ratio options, but it's the uncompressed output that is, as far as we are aware, unique.

As well as uncompressed output, PRO 645 offers a good degree of control over the iPhone's camera.

Until now, the vast majority (if not all) of iPhone apps apply their image processing to images that have already been compressed as a JPEG, with the reduced processing latitude that brings. The processed images produced by most app are then subjected to a second compression step at the end of the process.

PRO 645 intercepts the camera data after it's been initially processed (demosaiced and with processing parameters such as white balance and sharpening applied), but before the phone compresses it. This file can be be saved as a TIFF (presumably 8-bit), alongside a JPEG version with whichever of the app's image manipulations you've chosen to apply. These JPEGs are also much less compressed than the iPhone's default compression, which is usually the starting point for most apps (equivalent to the maximum quality option in Photoshop, the developer claims).

Even without this access to the best-possible quality output from your iPhone, the app also offers a range of useful photographic features such as a live histogram, spot metering and the ability to independently lock exposure, focus and white balance, to give a high level of control over the images you're capturing. The only downside is that the TIFF output has to be accessed via iTunes, but it's still an interesting step forward for occasions when the camera you have with you is your iPhone.

645 PRO is available from the Apple App Store for $2.99, and we're hoping to review it in the coming weeks.

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sinj27
By sinj27 (Oct 17, 2012)

For those whom seem to have missed the point of cameras, in whatever form, here's a definition :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography
or this; Photography is originally a greek word so it has the same meaning in greek.
it consists of two words put together. "photo" which derives from "phos" and it means "light" in english, and graphy,which probably derives from graphi , which can mean write or drawing. The exact form in greek is φωτογραφία (fotografia)
So for those harping on about real cameras etc go back to your camera clubs and discuss. As for the title of the app 645Pro, please! As mentioned below it's marketing. Why is iphone mentioned all the time as the Big I Am? Well in short it is! Out sells all other brands and is the largest selling phone, so it stands to reason other phones, (does Sony still attempt to make phones?), don't get a mention. However go to Instagram, and now it's opened up to Android users, you can see the universal quality ALL these phone produce.

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Sam Kapoor
By Sam Kapoor (Oct 10, 2012)

Sometimes Iphone camera creates problems like hanging, auto restart and showing us black screen. It’s usually happens when either the phone has dropped down or it has got some major injuries. I just had the same camera problem with my iphone. I was thinking that factory reset can solve my problem but nothing happened. So I start searching remedy on internet and I found my solution at http://howmobile.net/apple-iphone/2853-solution-camera-issues-iphone.html when I was not getting any perfect solution for my device. I applied the above solution on my Iphone and it worked. Now my Iphone camera is working. Hope the solutions would also solve your problem.
Thanks

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Ian Charles
By Ian Charles (Apr 29, 2012)

For £1.99 it's a good and fun app, and is fine for a camera for odd moments where you don't have your gear.
As for the name, big deal, I'm not going to use it for any of my work, although I'm using the 6x6 back mode for my Instagram pictures, simply because it's the right shape.
Does no-one have a sense of humour anymore?

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rapurimanka
By rapurimanka (Apr 25, 2012)

I don't get how to switch into "raw" mode. I only have jpg :(

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Ian Charles
By Ian Charles (Apr 29, 2012)

Keep your finger on the 'grid' button until it beeps then keep in on until it beeps again, and you are in +TIFF/ JPG mode

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cpoole7
By cpoole7 (Apr 24, 2012)

I think most folks will agree that we are not attempting to compare an iPhone's photo quality with a good DSLR or even one of the better compact cameras. But as continues to be mentioned on various discussions about 645 PRO, most of us will have our iPhone with us many times when we do not have our DSLR's with us. And that means we can take the shot vs not taking the shot.

Also, I have been surprised at what an 8MP 4S can do under good conditions. Here is an example of a 4S using HDR Pro and then sharpened and cropped in PS-CS4: https://www.box.com/s/ad5d1063ad731a1ac36a (Downloadable JPG on Box.net so you can view on your computer)

This was shot without the benefit of the cleaner output of a TIFF, so I for one am looking forward to having the expanded capabilities of 645 PRO on my iPhone.

And lest I give a wrong impression, if I am after maximum quality, I will continue to pull out my D700. No contest on that point at all... : )

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maboule123
By maboule123 (Aug 19, 2012)

I went to visit the site. I couldn't see the image you mention.

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Wye Photography
By Wye Photography (Apr 24, 2012)

Good job it only cost £2. The tif files are only negligibly different from the native camera app. Saying that, having the histogram and ISO displayed is great. Camera back options good fun too as is the 'film' selection. It makes the 4S feel more like a camera. Is it worth £2, well yes, but not for any alleged image quality improvements because it just isn't there.

Have a look at www.500px.com/wyephone and see how good the 4S camera is.

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Les Kamens
By Les Kamens (Apr 24, 2012)

real nice set of images

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szlevi
By szlevi (Apr 23, 2012)

Apple's whole implementation sucks, big time. The iPhone 4S employs the same Sony EXMOR R sensor like my year-old Xperia arc yet my phone blows it out of the water...
Old but representative: http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/10/16/camera-shootout-iphone-4s-versus-xperia-arc/

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 23, 2012)

Apple iPhone 4S has a decent camera
capable of taking artistic pictures I listed in my links previously.

Quality difference between Xperia and 4S are negligible,
because folks who need real quality will never use a cell cam in the first place.

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alfpang
By alfpang (Apr 24, 2012)

erm... isn't the Xperia the one on the right in your link (washed out colours on the pink flowers, serious purple haze on the fold-table)?

Win some, lose some from shot to shot, but it doesn't seem superior to the 4S by any means.

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szlevi
By szlevi (May 25, 2012)

You mean the one where you can actually SEE the dynamic range, see the details of the bread slices, see the small pores of the leafs, see the individual threads around the roll...?
Yep, that's the Arc.
The ones where you cannot see all those things are the iPhone.

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szlevi
By szlevi (May 25, 2012)

"Quality difference between Xperia and 4S are negligible,
because folks who need real quality will never use a cell cam in the first place."
That's downright silly - quite literally you cannot take shots with an iPhone that you can easily take with my Arc, period.
For starter you don't have the same settings from Apple, you need a 3rd party app but that's fine. Then you cannot keep taking shots continuously, at a rate of less than a second per shot. Then the utter lack of continuous AF in video, the blown-up colors etc etc.

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szlevi
By szlevi (May 25, 2012)

To be honest my link above was just the first one I found online and it's likely not the best one - apparently the idiots wrote the review managed to use different ISO, different exposure, different focus point, different metering etc etc - but it clearly shows that iPhone simply inferior when it's compared to the Arc. When I got my Arc ~1.5 years ago almost everybody had iPhones (4) around me and their camera wasn't even a competitor. Then came the 4S, along with the story that it's got the same sensor and I was very curious - and once again, all my friends and colleagues admit that it's still behind the Arc. Nowadays almost nobody has iPhone anymore, everybody is using Android phones and they are even worse usually. :)

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szlevi
By szlevi (May 25, 2012)

My next phone will be probably an Xperia S this Summer so once again Apple will have a good 6+ months to catch up with the iPhone 5 in the Fall (Xperia S started shipping in March) and I'm sure they will stick to the same sensor vendor (Sony) and matching chip (currently 12MP Exmor) again - we'll see how the 5 will measure up to this: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-s-1069980/review/page:6#articleContent

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Les Kamens
By Les Kamens (Apr 23, 2012)

This is only $2.99. I can't believe all the discussion on this app. Go out and Make ART !! be creative, it's not just the gear, it's all you. if you don't like it , delete the app. remember it was only $2.99. and if you don't like the Apps that are out there go make one of your own...or at least get in the ears of those that do and let them know what you like and dis like... Creating Art Just Makes Sense

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 23, 2012)

Discussion here arised mainly not because of the App,
but because of its ridiculous name - 645 PRO .

First of all,
it does not have anything to do with a 645 camera,
and secondly,
it is far from being a PROfessional App or from being an App for Professionals.

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Fixx
By Fixx (Apr 23, 2012)

You probably can set the compression level of JPEG output in your iPhone. There is really not much difference in low compression JPEG and TIFF.

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chaos215bar2
By chaos215bar2 (Apr 23, 2012)

So, according to the posts here I guess I should own at least 3 or 4 different cameras which cover every situation in which I might want to take a picture, and I should always be carrying the correct camera for every situation I find myself in (even if that situation would preclude carrying any other camera). That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

This is nothing more than a $3 app which claims to get just a little more out of a perfectly decent phone camera, and probably does exactly that. Is it going to be ideal or even just okay in every possible situation? Of course not. But the idea that everyone here should be carrying around even a second camera all the time despite already having one that can take passable to quite good pictures depending on the situation is just silly.

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f dinaro
By f dinaro (Apr 22, 2012)

Just installed it , works well on my iPhone 4s , love the shutter release

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epo001
By epo001 (Apr 22, 2012)

The whiny fandroids are out in force feeling the need to belittle anything to do with the iPhone. Losers.

As for the haf-wits who feel slighted by the name 'pro' in the title, ever heard of marketing? Do you really imagine that real professionals are as stupid as you and will think "oh, that's called pro it must be professional then".

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Rich46
By Rich46 (Apr 22, 2012)

Dimitri-
Thanks for the links.
Will check them out.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Everyone knows that advantages of DSLRs are interchangeable lenses.

Did you know that YOU CAN DO IT with the iPhone as well? !!!
Here are the best examples:

1) Olloclip 3in1: Fisheye, Wide-Angle, Macro
Price:$70
Great video review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUf6c2xgUyQ&feature=related
iPhone fotos made with lens on Flickr:
http://olloclip.com/olloclip/flickr.html

2) Soundlogic Telescopic 8X Lens
Price: $45 with mini tripod included
Great video review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnykIWG8VBo&feature=related

3) Kogeto Dot 360Grad Panorama lens
Price: $50
http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/02/29/kogeto-dot-panorama-iphone-44s-camera-adapter-review/
http://www.kogeto.com/say-hello-to-dot

4) HomeDepo-made DIY Steadicam
Price: $9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msz6EBQykxU&feature=related
Watch from 3:03min

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Apr 22, 2012)

With so many crippled yet 'Pro' labelled camera apps for the iPhone, the message is clear that Apples own camera app and under the hood implementation is flawed. It only makes the case even clearer that these apps are popular.

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deep7
By deep7 (Apr 22, 2012)

Are you being paid to write this? Apple's implementation of the camera is very good - super easy to use while producing excellent results. Not everyone wants to be mucking around trying to do bettter but those who do have options, one of which is the cheap and effective 645 Pro. Win win.

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szlevi
By szlevi (Apr 23, 2012)

Actually Apple's imaging completely sucks. Take a Sony Xperia and compare the results... my yea-old Xperia arc mops the floor with 4S and that's despite the fact Apple uses the same Sony EXMOR R sensor... pathetic.

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tricky photography
By tricky photography (Apr 26, 2012)

When was the last time you had a phone call on your year-old Xperia Arc out of interest?... Or to go a step further, uploaded the images directly to the internet from the same device, without even Wifi necessarily?

It baffles me that you make the comparison. Regardless of the sensor used.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Hard to believe that these images were captured by an iPhone 4S !!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-4s-photos-2011-10?op=1

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Here is an image quality comparison
between
cameraphones (iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S)
vs. point & shoot camera (Canon Powershot S95)
vs. professional dSLR (Canon 5DMKII)
for macro and landscape subjects

http://campl.us/posts/iPhone-Camera-Comparison

iPhone 4S in HDR mode
vs. Nikon D90 (14-24 lens)
in professional hands

http://mike.heller.ca/2011/10/my-first-iphone-4s-hdr/

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

Just to summarize. This is just another app. It might (or might not) be able to get higher quality images from your iPhone. No one knows. Or at least I have seen no on that really knows, i.e. have some measurements.

Anyway - a cheap and compact P&S camera will give better images, and will have a zoom. So - its not mind blowing in any way.

This app might (or might not) drain your battery.

It has a quite crude user interface.

The app does not capture RAW - it capture cooked and saves it without JPEG lossy compression.

The app gives you some extra features that might be useful though. But - the review hints at the non JPEG output being the only unique part.

The app has a flashy name that is very hard to motivate. Marketing department going wild.

Its (in principle) neat to be able to avoid JPEG though. So ... for some ... that is enough motivation. Even if the IQ loss doing JPEG might be minimal. Or maybe Apple makes so lousy JPEG compression that this is a major improvement.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Do not forget,
iPhone does not have lousy zoom glass of compacts;
it has a PRIME LENS!
Just kidding.

Jokes aside,
I'd really see some value from the app if it could deliver losless JPEG images
without all in-cam noise reduction.

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Rich46
By Rich46 (Apr 22, 2012)

Well, I rest my case.
Pixel peepers world here isn't it?
People see people with phones every minute of every day so don't bat an eyelid.
No doubt some here think my Leica M8 is crap and old tech which is fine by me.
645 Pro is a name, for a camera app, for the iPhone.
Strewth, chill out and lose the seriously critical and very jaded outlook.
Have a nice day checking those corner frame pixels and avoiding the point completely.
Photography is FUN. (just not fun here)

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mauro paillex
By mauro paillex (Apr 22, 2012)

I great photographer does not depend on the camera he uses! Iphone 4s has enough quality to print large size prints even to expose and sell. I actually do this! Just a stupid needs a leica camera to take great pictures!

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PaulSnowcat
By PaulSnowcat (Apr 22, 2012)

An now we'll have a new class of "professional" photographers.

- Hi, who are you?
- I am a photographer!
-What kind of photographer?
-A professional! I am using losless pics from my Iphone!

Ugh :/

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Apr 22, 2012)

Total agreement. Enough of these "it doesn't matter what your tool is." Maybe I should take my kitchen butter knives & call them my "tools" & call myself a home improvement professional. C'mon now--even if "artistic" photos have been taken with a phone, if you're even half-serious about photography, why would you dumb yourself down using an inferior tool like that?

Smartphone photos are fine for FUN, heck, I've used mine for times when I was trying to match up a hardware supply store part for an appliance I needed help with, I took a picture of the relevant area of my appliance so the store clerk could look at it & say "oh yes, you need so & so for that"--for such things--sure.

But for REAL photos of QUALITY, only a REAL camera will do. Heck you can pick up an Olympus E-PL1 kit for barely $200 anymore, it's not even the latest-greatest technology by any means, yet even it will still easily smoke camera phone photos to bits.

And it's small enough to have with you too, by the way.

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tricky photography
By tricky photography (Apr 26, 2012)

It only highlights your own insecurities about how much money you spend on your pro gear that you fear people might "Think" their iPhone could get a decent photo.
No one sensible thinks that, so who cares what the crazies and stupids think?

But personally i'd rather get a two dollar app for my phone then go out and buy a whole p&s camera for the sake of having only one device in my pocket at a time when i'm in a situation where apparently bringing my dslr didn't occur to me. I know i'll have my phone, i'll still forget to bring a p&s.

No ones going pro with a camera phone, why would this even worry you considering you apparently think it's impossible anyway...

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Actually, IPhone can take pretty artistic pictures;
just have a look here:
http://campl.us/posts/amazing25

Obviously, one can not print them big,
but they prove one more time
that skills/creativity are more important than the tool/camera.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

Of course it can .. or rather of course the photographer can. But - this app will not make the photos more artistic.

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Joshlovesphotos
By Joshlovesphotos (Apr 22, 2012)

Sorry, but this is a typical comment from someone with little photography experience. I looked at every photo, and they are composed and focused well, they are artistic, but they are all heavily processed which anyone can do with any photo and they aren't good looking. You cannot get around the physical limitations of a small lens with little dof, no sharpness, no zoom, no portrait compression, no cropability, and lots of iso noise without softening the image in pp. It's a tiny camera with a tiny lens dude. Those photos look bad.

And for the record, the iPhone did not TAKE an artistic picture. It took a basic photo, and some software whether on the phone or on a computer, post processed the images. to MAKE an artistic picture. Just like instagram.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

Hmmmm ... I see almost all images in that collection are processed with an effect called "Clarity". Its an effect that makes some kind of tone mapping to super enhance contrast and colors. Looks very interesting on some images.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Apr 22, 2012)

Buy a decent P&S camera and forget than your IPhone can take better pictures.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Apr 22, 2012)

... and bring another device with you. The idea of iPhone/Android/etc. cameras is that it is a device you usually bring with you anyway.

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Apr 22, 2012)

The idea of iPhone/Android is to take/make calls and browsing/gaming not photography.

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sglewis
By sglewis (Apr 23, 2012)

jcmarfilph - The idea of MY iPhone is not take/make calls and browsing/gaming. Perhaps that's your phone. You can actually only authoriatively speak for your own usage - not mine.

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David Cheok Photography
By David Cheok Photography (Apr 22, 2012)

The TIFF definitely has more leeway in highlight recovery.

http://www.davidcheok.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Screen-Shot-2012-04-22-at-9.36.34-AM.png

However.. until an easier way to retrieve the TIFF is implemented e.g. via dropbox et al, not sure it the TIFF is worth its use.

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Robert Steinman
By Robert Steinman (Apr 22, 2012)

I don't know why people is so surprised! I have been using "Camera FV-5" for Android for some months, and has everything 645 PRO has and much more.

Camera FV-5 also provides lossless output in PNG format, and the picture quality is awesome. Furthermore, the are metering modes, automatic exposure bracketing, full RGB live histogram, custom ISO, built-in intervalometer, and even shutter priority mode! The interface really resembles a professional camera, and I have managed to take some nice photos with that app. In recent updates they have added focus lock, auto exposure lock and auto white balance lock.

I would really recommend Camera FV-5, for those using Android!

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

What do you mean by AWESOME picture quality?
Comparing to other phones?
What about comparing it to the pictures from superslim Canon Powershot S100?

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

Show us some awesome image quality photos.

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Robert Steinman
By Robert Steinman (Apr 22, 2012)

Sure, compared to my own phone. My P&S camera is better, and nothing compared to my Nikon D200 DSLR. The optics and sensors are what they are...

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

So - what was so awesome then?

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Rich46
By Rich46 (Apr 21, 2012)

If you have a 4s buy 645 Pro and read the manual that is included in the app-
The prints i have made are STUNNING.

It's a no brainer- BUY IT. 10/10 GOLD STAR.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Did you mean 3X5 inch prints?
Just kidding.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

Show us some stunning images.

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Rich46
By Rich46 (Apr 21, 2012)

Crazy how people get so critical of iphone 4s and the never ending apps that appear.
645 Pro is most definitely a hefty step forward and improves the pictures like no other iphone 4s app before it.

Don't 'dis' this app or compare it to real world camera gear (which can't play your music collection, entertain you with movies, surf the net, guide you when you are lost, MAKE Phone Calls etc), it is boosting the quality of a camera PHONE.

With care, the user can make some mighty fine images with 645 Pro, the black and white film stock settings are pretty good, the AE lock, AF lock, self timer, night mode (1 second shutter speed), histogram are all very useable.

The jpegs at max 3 bar setting are clean files and the Tiff file is again a handy file format to output from a PHONE.

I always have my iphone on me and have made images in photography prohibited areas (auction houses, police stations) which other photographers couldn't- one being a 5dmk2 user, unable to discretely shoot.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

RE: Rich46:"I always have my iphone on me and have made images in photography prohibited areas (auction houses, police stations) which other photographers couldn't- one being a 5dmk2 user, unable to discretely shoot."

People who like to take pictures in prohibited areas use
new Canon G1X.
It is absolutely silent, all black, fits big pocket and has DSLR's APS-C sensor and optical zoom.
Apple 4S is for "spy kids", not for the real paparazzi/spy photography.

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Aggrotron
By Aggrotron (Apr 22, 2012)

I don't know if you're shitposting or not.

The thing with a phone is since everybody has a phone, its fairly easy to get away with using it. Is it terrible and noisy? Yes. But its fairly safe to assume people are more apt to disregard a phone then an ugly brick of a camera.

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Dimitri Khoz
By Dimitri Khoz (Apr 22, 2012)

Aggrotron,

what can one capture with Iphone indoors
(auction houses & police stations, as you described)
when Iphone camera is just terrible in low light?

how can one do real paparazzi/spy photograph,
when Iphone has low MP count and no optical zoom?

ugly brick of a camera?
One does not need to have a "designer" or "slim" camera
to improve the chances of taking images in prohibited areas.

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alfpang
By alfpang (Apr 21, 2012)

Just tried on my 4S--Worth the price for night mode alone (true slow shutter up to 1 sec exposure).

The ability to take useable pics in a dark room w live preview was quite impressive, but it does chew up battery life (fair trade off for a serious functionality boost).

Lossless jpegs are about 10mb each. Haven't tried downloading the TIFFs

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

Thanks! Good to hear! So, it was indeed the iPad 3 that is indeed incompatible with the app.

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alfpang
By alfpang (Apr 22, 2012)

Apparently it's a bug - it is supposed to work w the iPad 3, and hard-installing the app via iTunes works. Makes sense since Nightcap works w the iPad.

645 Pro's creator is apparently working on a patch.

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Klarno
By Klarno (Apr 21, 2012)

The advantage of RAW is in the added bit depth. Having 4096 levels per channel in a 12 bit RAW instead of 256. Working with the output from that 12 bit raw in a 16 bit workspace. So if this could output a 16 bit TIFF I might consider it.

8 bit, meh, no real advantage over the JPEG, but it takes up a lot more space. A little less artifacting that you might start to notice if you push your file beyond where an 8 bit file looks good anyway. I'll be sticking with Camera Awesome.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 22, 2012)

8 bit JPEG is gamma coded and 12 bit TIFF is linear. Its not certain that the TIFF contains more depth in the dark areas. It might contain more information in the bright areas though, but thats useless due to photon noise.

Moreover, its hardly so that the small sensor in the iPhone has any real data in the lower bits of the 12 bits. and increasing to 16 bits is just totally unnecessary.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Apr 22, 2012)

Tiff does not have a 12bit spec and even at 16bit its not guaranteed to be linear. A lot of programs write 16bit tiffs gamma encoded.

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bigjoshua
By bigjoshua (Apr 21, 2012)

complete waist of money! If you have anything else then iPhone 4S this app will not work. When you will use this app, iPhone "can get hot" and I will recommend to use external power source.

Bottom line: DO NOT waist your money and time

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

Guys, did anyone try it? I've only managed to test it on my iPad 3 - with disastrous results. The JPG shots taken with the stock Camera app are, resolution-wise, WAY better than the ones taken by the app, even in the latter's RAW mode. Probably because it's not supported? Dunno, will test it with a 4/4S hopefully tomorrow.

BTW, the only difference I could see between the JPEgs and the RAWs produced by the app are the lack of applied digital enhancement modes ("Vivid" and the like). Noise / NR / WB / etc-wise, they seem to be exactly the same.

Again, all this only applies to the iPad 3 and not necessarily to the iPhone 4/4S.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 21, 2012)

Seems like a neat and useful app for just 3 bucks. 645 PRO = Medium Format Quality? Please do review it.

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CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (Apr 21, 2012)

Yep. Just like putting "Type R" emblems on makes the car faster.

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

A quick warning: if you have the new iPad (which has the same sensor as that of the iPhone 4), do NOT purchase the app. While the description doesn't explicitly state this, it's NOT possible to install the app on the iPad 3.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

The IPA can be installed (at least) with the Windows version of the latest iFunBox on the iPad 3. Just playing with the RAW mode.

0 upvotes
SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (Apr 21, 2012)

Any piece of software that makes the use of iTunes obligatory qualifies as malware.

4 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

*yawn*

As I've already explained below,

1, you do NOT necessarily need to use iTunes, even if your phone isn't jailbroken. iExplorer / Phone Disk are your friends.

2, if you do jailbreak, you can directly transfer the files to, say, a memory card via iFiles + the Apple Camera Connection Kit.

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veroman
By veroman (Apr 21, 2012)

Terrible, terrible, terrible interface design. I mean, it's really terrible ... a total and complete contradiction to what Apple and the iPhone are all about. But even with Apple's simplicity out of the equation, it's still a terrible interface. We're seeing more and more of this kind of uninformed approach to interface design, even from companies that should know better, ie Adobe. It's becoming an epidemic.

2 upvotes
tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Apr 21, 2012)

for android please

1 upvote
Tape5
By Tape5 (Apr 21, 2012)

Next, we need to see what Dan Chung thinks about this development.

8 upvotes
TheGooch
By TheGooch (Apr 21, 2012)

Nothing to see here. Move along.

0 upvotes
kb2zuz
By kb2zuz (Apr 21, 2012)

Are we certain that this doesn't just take a JPG from the camera's API and save it as a TIFF? I'm not saying this is the case here but I'm curious because I though Apple locked down the camera API's and doesn't allow access to anything beyond a prepared JPG file.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

As I've already stated below,

1, it's possible to have a constant read access to the camera's stream without any intermediate JPEG processing.

2, it is in no way forbidden by Apple. Not in the least. Actually, one of their demo apps (FindMyiCone) does exactly the same: http://connect.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MemberSite.woa/wa/getSoftware?code=y&source=x&bundleID=20645

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Superka
By Superka (Apr 21, 2012)

Iphone can do that???
http://superka-photo.com/?albums=1.%20India%20panorama&photo=4

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Apr 21, 2012)

I am sure iPhone can do any of those just fine!

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Apr 21, 2012)

If Apple wants to be different, they should enable manual controls and RAW on the iphone. But I have a feeling they don't have the resources to do so. I mean, its not like Apple has heaps of extra cash laying around or the desire to show off how cool and different they are.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Apr 21, 2012)

That doesn't hold up because Apple has never sought to be different by championing highly complex and intimidating UIs like the one in the picture. Their differentiation has always been simplicity. And one way Apple built up heaps of cash was by not letting themselves get sidetracked into niche markets that clutter up the product.

Now, if a photographer wants to be different with their phone, all it takes apps like Filmic Pro and Camera+ that give you those manual controls for less than you might spend on a single drink at a bar. If you are a photographer who spent thousands on bodies and lenses and memory and drives, the total cost of the apps that unlock raw, separate focus and exposure locks, slow shutter speeds on your phone is practically nothing, they're practically free.

2 upvotes
shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Apr 21, 2012)

Who said manual controls and RAW need be complicated and intimidating? Surely Apple knows a thing or two about UI design + pro apps.

2 upvotes
panteraaa
By panteraaa (Apr 21, 2012)

iphone is designed to be simple...i doubt apple will ever allow manual controls...u can do more in camera on android phone than on iphone like adjust ISO, quality, etc

1 upvote
graybalanced
By graybalanced (Apr 23, 2012)

shaocaholica: "Who said manual controls and RAW need be complicated and intimidating?"

answer: The mass target audience of the iPhone would find them that way regardless of how you presented it. The niche application of manual/raw is certainly best left to specialized apps.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Apr 20, 2012)

Now iPhone users will start thinking they are photo pro's. Nothing new, just another delusion. Just waiting for apple to tell them to jump of a cliff.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

Well, given that the JPEG engine of the 4/4S uses VERY heavy NR even at base ISO, I do think RAW will be preferred in a lot of cases... (Otherwise, the iPhone 4S' camera sucks compared to that of the N8, let alone the 808...)

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draschan
By draschan (Apr 21, 2012)

http://www.engadget.com/photos/camera-showdown-iphone-4s-vs-iphone-4-galaxy-s-ii-nokia-n8-and-amaze-4g/#4535565

the N8 truly sucks compared to iphone 4 and 4s

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shigzeo ?
By shigzeo ? (Apr 21, 2012)

Same for every camera manufacturer. People have for years thought that an SLR or DSLR makes them good photographers. A good app allows better control, same with certain lenses and certain cameras. Nothing is different. There is no cliff to dive from.

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MrSkelter
By MrSkelter (Apr 21, 2012)

You're right of course. I use Apple products because Apple ads tell me to. Even though there are much better, cheaper options with better hardware and interface design, I'm unable to buy them lest I am teased by other Apple 'fanboys'. Look at how great all those Android phones are with so many fewer apps and such big screens. Look at all those Blackberries. That companies not circling the drain at all really, and it's proven that you can't use a phone without buttons.

You can see through the hype. I'm so jealous.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

"http://www.engadget.com/photos/camera-showdown-iphone-4s-vs-iphone-4-galaxy-s-ii-nokia-n8-and-amaze-4g/#4535565

the N8 truly sucks compared to iphone 4 and 4s"

LOL! That's funny. To put it mildly, that "test" was anything but professional. To draw ANY conclusion based on those quick "test" shots is also anything but professional.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Apr 20, 2012)

This is a good ace in the phone for journalistic needs.

Sometimes there is no time to whip out the DSLR in a situation, and the shot has to be made, such as stealth use or paparazzi events. The resulting TIFF is great for publication news and more manageable by magazine editors.

$2.99 is nothing compared to converting your phone into a (semi) RAW (actually TIFF) capture gear.

.

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aeolos
By aeolos (Apr 20, 2012)

makes you wonder why there are no official before after pictures.. doesnt it? ;)

just look at this review pictures

http://guillemcalatrava.com/2012/04/20/645-pro-opinion-y-review-de-la-aplicacion-que-guarda-raw-del-iphone/

looks the same.

1 upvote
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 20, 2012)

ah, Pro 645... and various MF formats... in a smartphone

6x17
6x9
645
6x7
6x6

:D

0 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 20, 2012)

"PRO 645"? Gimme a break. Neither PRO nor 645. Maybe the app can give you better images, I dont know. The only thing it does is avoiding JPEG compression. The image is hardly RAW. But - thats beside the point. The limiting factor for image quality is the optics. And this can no app fix.

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whyamihere
By whyamihere (Apr 20, 2012)

I think you're taking the app name a bit too literally, chum.

Also, I should probably gently remind people that this is an app... for a phone. I wouldn't think many people are interested in taking raw files with their fixed-memory, tiny-lensed, itty-bitty-sensored phone. Expecting a decent TIFF is pushing things as it is.

It's not trying to fix anything; it probably just helping to make better use of what you have at hand.

10 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Apr 21, 2012)

To literally? If you call it PRO, thats because either its for PROs or because there already exist something simpler from the the same manufacturer. And 645 is a medium camera format, cant be misunderstood. And "developed RAW" is just another misnomer. And it seems to eat batteries.

This is just a toy.

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whyamihere
By whyamihere (May 2, 2012)

Yup, still taking the name too literally. You have no idea how many times I see the word 'pro' affixed to products that are anything but.

Welcome to the world of marketing.

Also, I suspect anyone paying $3 for a phone app isn't expecting miracles (or at least they shouldn't), especially if they realize their phone has a tiny sensor and tiny lens elements and the primary use for their phone isn't photography.

Welcome to the world of managing reasonable expectations.

Lastly, I highly suspect most people who would buy the app don't know that a 645 Pro is a medium format camera (I didn't up until 2 minutes ago when I read your reply), and probably don't care... to them, it's an app for their phone and not a camera with a cult following.

Welcome to the world where most people don't care nearly as much as you do about these sorts of things.

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R_U_Q_R_U
By R_U_Q_R_U (Apr 20, 2012)

There are reports that the initial release eats your battery. People have reported that after 10 minutes the battery dropped 25%. The developer says he is working on it.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

Pretty much understandable as this app is continously reading, in a double for cycle, the incoming camera.

I've done this quite a lot in my image recognition apps for the iPhone 4/4s / iPad 3. It indeed chews thru the battery.

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ianimal
By ianimal (Apr 20, 2012)

iTunes? I prefer working offline, I must be an dinosaur :)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

You can access the local Documents dir of the app even without iTunes and even without jailbreaking - via iExplorer or Phone Disk. (Follow my blog at iPhone Life if interested, I always post a lot of info never otherwise published anywhere else - for example, on enhancing the iPhone 4S video camera as well.)

Unfortunately, this access will be inherently slower than via iTunes (unless you only want to transfer well below 100 Mbytes or have a lot of free time) so I'd still stick with iTunes.

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Andrewteee
By Andrewteee (Apr 20, 2012)

Whoah... that UI...???

1 upvote
snake_b
By snake_b (Apr 20, 2012)

Still won't compete with an N8.

4 upvotes
Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Apr 20, 2012)

iPhone 4s beats the N8 in image detail.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-One-X-vs-Galaxy-S-II-vs-Nexus-vs-N8-vs-iPhone-4S_id3006

2 upvotes
DarkShift
By DarkShift (Apr 20, 2012)

Nokia 808 beats the 4S in image detail. No contest.

8 upvotes
Tape5
By Tape5 (Apr 20, 2012)

It won't compete with a Pentax 645D either.

5 upvotes
sierra_vista
By sierra_vista (Apr 20, 2012)

iPhone 4S - N8 - Nokia 808 which one of their cameras has better image detail or more phone features? ??? Would be great to see DPReview start doing some in-depth reviews of top-of-the-line smart phone cameras wouldn't it? After all, they do call themselves DIGITAL Photography Review.

And no, today's smart phone cameras don't match the quality of DSLRs and most P&Ss, but they do probably produce better images than those of the time period when DPReview first started doing their in-depth reviews of digital cameras.

Anyone from DPReview care to respond?

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

"iPhone 4s beats the N8 in image detail.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-One-X-vs-Galaxy-S-II-vs-Nexus-vs-N8-vs-iPhone-4S_id3006 "

Where does the article state this? Did you actually read it entirely and thoroughly? In most tests, the N8 was ranked higher than the 4S...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

"iPhone 4S - N8 - Nokia 808 which one of their cameras has better image detail or more phone features? ???"

You can't compare the 4S to the N8/808. The first has excellent third-party software support, while Symbian handsets are for the purists not wanting third party apps but still providing a lot of goodies iOS will never be capable of (e.g., BT transfer, FM radio, storage card, comparatively easy battery swapping (at least with the N8), call recording etc.)

The cameras are also very different. I had the chance to, at least resolution- and corner sharpness-wise, thoroughly test the 808's camera at MWC in late February. It's way better than anything else out there and does deliver about 20 Mpixels true res in the corners and full res in the center. However, I coulnd't reliably test noise, shutter lag, video res or DR at MWC so I still wouldn't judge the camera in its entirety, other than the resolution (which is, again, excellent).

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cluening
By cluening (Apr 21, 2012)

"http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-One-X-vs-Galaxy-S-II-vs-Nexus-vs-N8-vs-iPhone-4S_id3006"

In the mentioned comparison the N8 scores 8 vs 16 (the lower the better), when adding the ranks in each IQ category.
Using both "cameras" and having an A900, too, I'd say, phones can deliver some good snaps in daylight, at the typical expense of sharpening artifacts. Especially the 4S is typically more P&S style in the sharpening aspect. The N8 is a bit more relaxed and delivers better pictures for PP...
I'd like to use the featured APP on the iphone. Eagerly looking forward to it. Also like Instagram and sorts. (I do realize it is just for web pics)

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Apr 21, 2012)

"Where does the article state this? Did you actually read it entirely and thoroughly? In most tests, the N8 was ranked higher than the 4S..."

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-comparison-One-X-vs-Galaxy-S-II-vs-Nexus-vs-N8-vs-iPhone-4S_id3006

The devil is in the details, and when it comes to taking photos, having great level of details is indeed one of the most important elements. Interestingly, the new ImageSense camera of the One X performed terribly in this area, presenting us to muddier-looking images compared to all of the other contestants here. Here's how all five handsets rank in this category:

1. Apple iPhone 4S
2. Nokia N8
3. Samsung Galaxy S II
4. Samsung Galaxy Nexus
5. HTC One X

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/111084-image/Crop-1.jpg

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

"In the mentioned comparison the N8 scores 8 vs 16 (the lower the better), when adding the ranks in each IQ category."

Thanks cluening, I wouldn't have had the time to add those scores together.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Apr 21, 2012)

Joe Ogiba: "The devil is in the details, and when it comes to taking photos, having great level of details is indeed one of the most important elements."

1. As cluening has counted, the Nokia N8 has received twice the scores of the 4S (as was easy to predict BTW, given that Image Comparometer has had 4S vs. N8 pics as well for months, also heavily compared by us in the Phone forum here.)

2. so, you state the 4S is better than the N8 because of the details, in which, at least according to the article, the 4S is better. You seem to think detail is much-much more important than anything else: noise, shutter lag, dynamic range. This is ("nothing is as important as lens & sensor resolution") at least questionable. Aren't you a little bit biased towards Apple?:-)

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Apr 21, 2012)

The 4s stills are close enough to the N8 and 4s 1080p video is better. Nokia lost a ton of money this year and will continue bleeding red ink so they should sell PureView to Apple and give the money to it's shareholders.

http://vimeo.com/36100188

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