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Hands-on with Samsung NX20, heading refreshed lineup with NX210 and NX1000

By dpreview staff on Apr 19, 2012 at 07:00 GMT

Samsung has completely refreshed its NX series with a range of Wi-Fi-connected cameras, the NX20, NX210 and NX1000. The NX20 and NX210 replace the NX10 and NX200, while the NX1000 broadens the range with a less expensive, entry-level option. All three cameras are built around the company's 20MP sensor, can shoot at up to 8fps and capture Full HD 1080p24 movies. The NX20 features a high-res SVGA electronic viewfinder and swivel, 'Clear' AMOLED screen with no air gap between the display panel and the protective glass, for improved reflection resistance. The NX210 has the same (non-Clear) AMOLED screen as its predecessor, while the NX1000 has a VGA display.

All three cameras offer an interesting HD movie mode that shoots a super-wide 2.35:1 aspect ratio (the aspect ratio that many pre-1970 movies were projected in), by shooting Full HD cropped down to 1920 x 810 pixels. It shoots this Cinema movie mode at the equally cinematic 24fps.

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Press Release:

Capture, connect and share with a Samsung SMART CAMERA

Share life in perfect detail with the NX1000, NX20 and NX210 - the world’s first SMART compact system cameras with built-in Wi-Fi connectivity

BEIJING, China – April 19, 2012 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd, a global leader in digital media and digital convergence technologies is breaking new ground with its award-winning NX series with three new compact system cameras (CSC) that pioneer built-in Wi-Fi connectivity: the NX1000, NX210 and NX20. Now professional quality images can be easily captured, shared and stored straight from your camera - wherever you are in the world. 

Introducing the NX1000, NX210 and NX20

The innovative additions to Samsung’s NX range represent the future in CSC technology: SMART cameras with in-built Wi-Fi technology that allow users to connect to wireless networks without any additional cards or devices. Full Wi-Fi connectivity is complemented by an impressive range of features, continuing the heritage of innovation that the NX series has been consistently recognized for since the launch of the NX10 in 2010. 

As standard, all three NX models feature a 20.3 Megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor, developed in-house by Samsung to give high quality images in rich color and detail. They are also fully compatible with the NX series’ unique i-Function system, enabling users to control parameters using the lens itself, adjusting the image without ever having to move off target. With Samsung’s range of nine lenses and professional standard accessories, the NX eco-system ensures that all imaging ambitions can be realised, whatever the user’s photographic speciality or interest.

Enhancing Samsung’s 2012 SMART CAMERA ecosystem, these latest additions to the NX range have been designed to satisfy the ambitions of users of all abilities, whether an experienced professional or someone just looking to trade-up from their point-and-shoot.

The NX1000 is highly portable and its eye-catching compact design makes it as useable as it is attractive. Available in stunning White, classic Black or eye-catching Pink it houses a feature-rich range of specs, with technology such as Smart Auto 2.0 and the Smart Link Hot Key, making it simpler than ever to shoot and share great images instantly.  

The NX210 follows the NX’s design heritage, with a premium metallic finish. Like its predecessor the NX200, the NX210 also offers a 3.0” AMOLED display for viewing images and Full HD movies in brilliant resolution. With easy access to Wi-Fi functions, the NX210 allows quick sharing with friends and family, whilst with Samsung Mobile Link users can show off their best images on phones and tablets, or on the big screen with TV Link connecting the NX210 wirelessly to internet-enabled TVs.

The NX20 is the perfect match for enthusiast amateur or professional photographers looking for a highly portable camera that gives the professional look and feel of a DSLR but at a fraction of the size and weight, with the addition of an ergonomic grip to fit comfortably into the hand. Delivering impressive speed with its 1/8000s Fast Shutter, breath-taking images are shown on its clear 3.0” clear AMOLED swivel display, increasing visibility by approximately 20%. The NX20 also incorporates a range of functions and manual controls in order to deliver pro-standard pictures every time, including SVGA EVF so users can frame images like a professional. 

In-Built Wi-Fi for simple sharing and saving

With Samsung’s latest SMART features, users can share pictures at the touch of a button, uploading to social networks including Facebook and Picasa, or emailing them to friends and family – all straight from their new NX camera. The cameras also offer further options for capturing and displaying images via other devices, including the ability to link to a Samsung smartphone and use as a remote viewfinder, and - with the Samsung Mobile Link function - to display images on devices such as tablets or internet-enabled TV.

Creative control at the touch of a button

Pictures shared on the spur of the moment are no longer restricted to simply shooting and sending - with the creative features of the new NX cameras, Facebook pictures can be artistic without ever going near a computer. The ten Smart Filters and added Selective Color function, for example, mean that users can adjust the look and feel of shots as they take them. In addition, all three cameras also feature Panorama and 3D Panorama, allowing the whole story to be told in one complete picture. With the Smart Panel featured on all the new models, settings and features can be easily accessed and applied, making creative photography easier than ever.

Mr. Myoung Sup Han, Senior Vice President and Head of the Digital Imaging Business, Samsung Electronics, commented: “The three new additions to the NX range mark an evolution in Samsung’s SMART CAMERA offering, demonstrating our understanding that digital imaging is about sharing the best moments with family and friends, and not only about taking great pictures. Samsung is paving the way, introducing the world’s first SMART Compact-System-Cameras for professional standard images that are worth sharing.”

“With the inclusion of in-built Wi-Fi connectivity, our customers can now share pictures and videos straight from their NX camera. More importantly, however, the NX camera’s wireless connectivity does not mean sacrificing fantastic image quality – you can now have the best of both at your fingertips. This dedication to innovation will make Samsung a leader in the SMART CAMERA market.”

Samsung NX20, NX210 and NX1000 specifications

 Samsung NX20Samsung NX210Samsung NX1000
Body type
Body typeSLR-style mirrorlessRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5472 x 3648
Other resolutions5472 x 3080, 3888 x 2592, 3712 x 2088, 3648 x 3648, 2976 x 1984, 2944 x 1656, 2736 x 1824, 2640 x 2640, 2000 x 2000, 1920 x 1080, 1728 x 1152, 1024 x 1024
Image ratio w:h1:1, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels20 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors22 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.5 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
Color spacesRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter arrayPrimary Color Filter Primary Color Filter
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800
White balance presets8
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationNoOpticalNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsNormal, Fine, Superfine
File format
  • RAW (SRW)
  • JPEG (EXIF 2.21)
  • DCF
  • DPOF 1.1
  • PictBridge 1.0
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (1.2x, 1.4, 1.7, 2.0 Intelli-Zoom)
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points15
Lens mountSamsung NX
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFully articulatedFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots614,000921,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeActive Matrix OLED screenTFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronicNone
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification1.04×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program
  • Aperture Priority
  • Shutter Priority
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Live Panorama (2D, 3D)
  • Beauty Shot
  • Night
  • Landscape
  • Portrait
  • Children
  • Sports
  • Close Up
  • Text
  • Sunset
  • Dawn
  • Backlight
  • Fireworks
  • Beach & Snow
  • Sound Picture
  • 3D Photo
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up )No
Flash range11.00 m
External flashYes (via Hot-shoe with optional SEF-42A, SEF220A )Yes (via Hot-shoe with bundled SEF8A or optional SEF-42A, SEF220A )Yes (Hot-shoe, SEF8A)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Fill-in, 1st/2nd Curtain, Smart Flash, Manual
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Burst (5M size only)
  • Self-timer
  • Bracket (AE/WB/PW)
Continuous drive8 fps
Self-timerYes (2 sec to 30 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames from +/-1 to +/-3 in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1920 x 810 (24 fps) 1280 x 720 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
Videography notesMulti-motion recording : x0.25 (640, 320 only), x0.5 (1280, 640, 320 only), x5, x10, x20
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Wireless notesIEEE 802.11n support, Cloud, Email, Auto Backup, Remote Viewfinder, Mobile Link, Wi-Fi Direct, TV Link, Social Sharing
Remote controlYes (Optional SR2NX02)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion BP1310 battery & chargerLithium-Ion BC1030 battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)360330320
Weight (inc. batteries)341 g (0.75 lb / 12.03 oz)222 g (0.49 lb / 7.83 oz)
Dimensions122 x 90 x 40 mm (4.8 x 3.54 x 1.57)117 x 63 x 37 mm (4.61 x 2.48 x 1.46)114 x 63 x 37 mm (4.49 x 2.48 x 1.46)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesWGS84

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Comments

Total comments: 153
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 29, 2013)

Very glad that I didn't care for the wifi when I bought this... quite hard to make it work with your PC, and the remote viewfinder app is too big for the vast majority of smartphones! had to purchase a remote wired trigger instead.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 15, 2012)

Sold the 20-50mm in favor of the 18-55mm with Optical Image Stabilization. It's twice the size, but light, and IMO, worth it.
Also purchased the 30mm f/2.0 pancake, for general everyday photography.

Also purchased a NX-MD adapter, and 2 Minolta lenses:
50mm f/1.4 and 50mm macro 1:1
I highly recommend this: you can get awesome used lenses to work very well with the Samsung's new NX lineup's 5x, 8x, and peak focus metering, which help manual focul work like a charm in A priority and M modes only.

IMHO, I loooove my system/combination.

Instead of getting a 18-200mm zoom (I had the 50-200 and sold that too, finding it too impractical), I am eyeing the Fujifilm X-S1 (26x zoom with 2/3 sensor) not as a replacement for this but just for use as a tele-photo camera.

1 upvote
Banhmi
By Banhmi (Sep 25, 2012)

Image quality is not what I hoped it would be. Why is the Queen of Hearts so out-of-focus on DPR's image quality test?

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 7, 2013)

Good question! DPR's images are totally out of focus! They are even worse than a lower resolution MFT. When in focus, the NX20 produces images even better than the new Olympus OMD EM5, praised for it's image quality.

Check out this website for in-focus test shots:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx20/NX20hSLI00100NR1D.HTM
They also have the same image with the omdem5 if you'd like to compare. You'll notice more dynamic range, details in the salt, in the bottle of Fiddler's, in the nap on the right... pretty much all over the place, it has finer detail.

What is more difficult to understand, is that this faulty image on DPR has been doing it's damage to Samsung's reputation and sales, and they still have not corrected their blunder. Anyone have any ideas as to why that may be?

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Sep 19, 2012)

NX210: I purchased both a NX1000, then an NX200 for the "better" screen.
My immense disappointment, what the ergonomics on the NX200, and I see that on the NX210, it is still the same problem: where you hold the camera, to get a good grip, your thumb naturally travels right to the location of the video button, and one often launches video recording inadvertently while framing a shot. Surprisingly, they have the location of the thumb rest correct on the NX1000, and incorrect on the more expensive NX210. Puzzling.
PS: I love the ergonomics of the NX20. it just fits so naturally in one's hand, more so than full sized ones. so pleasant to handle and to operate.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Aug 22, 2012)

I am confused. My NX1000 user manual refers to image stabilization, that can be turned on or off, and shows the menu selections for that. But the specs here clearly state there is no OIS in the NX1000 and NX20. Could it be that it's just not available with the standard kit lenses included... that it's lens dependent... such as the ones marked OIS? The 20-50mm kit lens that came with mine has no OIS, but I'm now wondering if OIS lenses will have working image stabilization or not when attached to the NX1000 or NX20.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Sep 19, 2012)

OK, problem solved... have bought some lenses, and definitely, the OIS depends on the lens, not the camera. That is a mistake in the specs on here.

0 upvotes
Rooru S
By Rooru S (Apr 22, 2012)

The WiFi availability seems very interesting. Hope many manufacturers apply this on their cameras for Wireless Tethering because Samsung is becoming a very serious contender.

1 upvote
Chiemsee
By Chiemsee (Apr 20, 2012)

What does "AE Bracketing: ±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)" mean? If maximum increment is 1/2 EV, how is it possible to do +-3 then with 3 frames???

0 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (Apr 20, 2012)

-3...-2⅔...-2½...-2⅓...-2...-1⅔...-1½...-1⅓...-1...-⅔...-½...-⅓
...0...⅓...½...⅔...1...1⅓...1½...1⅔...2...2⅓...2½...2⅔...3
You may choose any three from among the above EV values.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Apr 20, 2012)

Ahem, they still make most theatrical release movies in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Only recently have movies been finished at 16:9.

0 upvotes
Anirban Banerjee
By Anirban Banerjee (Apr 20, 2012)

Samsung makes good cameras spoiled by the wrong choice of lens mount :-(

0 upvotes
sravpes
By sravpes (Apr 20, 2012)

What's wrong with Samsung's lens mount? Could you explain?

0 upvotes
AkinaC
By AkinaC (Apr 20, 2012)

I think the lens mount are ok, just there's is no big aperture zoom lens around, a 16-55/2.8 and 50-150/2.8 would attract lots of users.

0 upvotes
Anirban Banerjee
By Anirban Banerjee (Apr 21, 2012)

Why create another proprietary lens mount? Why not just get onto the u4/3 bus? Or maybe even the Leica M-mount.

0 upvotes
lxstorm
By lxstorm (Apr 21, 2012)

Would not mind NX20 with M-mount at all.
However M-mount means precisions mechanics that couples manual controlled lens to a rangefinder optics in the body. That leads to a hi quality metal alloys and sophisticated metalwork fabrication...you can double-check the final prices in Leica M store :)

0 upvotes
czadpoom
By czadpoom (May 4, 2012)

I prefer they use E-mount the same as Sony NEX version.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Aug 22, 2012)

@AB: the image-circle on a u4/3 may actually be smaller than the size of the APS-C sensor itself. If you want that mount, buy a camera with a smaller sensor. Regarding e-mount, I'm not sure NEX owners will trade-in a Sony camera for a similar format in the Samsung. Having M mount is all about the multitude of legacy lenses lying around in photographer's arsenals, as well as cheaply available on auction sites. They make quality adaptors now, that can be had for about 20 bucks, and that allow focus to infinity. However, it remains to be verified IF these Samsung cameras have firmware that even ALLOWs you to shoot with a lens it doesn't recognize. (for example, if I remove the lens, my NX1000 won't shoot. I tried to see if I can set parameters (not) and shoot (not) without a lens attached, so I am wondering if it will even work when an adaptor is attached for a legacy lens.

0 upvotes
migus
By migus (Apr 20, 2012)

Were these 3 new NX cameras been officially introduced yet? Or is this a pre-announcement?

0 upvotes
Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Apr 20, 2012)

Very nice to see the AEB button made it on the NX20. Direct control is good! And yes, Digital Zoom on a 20 MP camera just makes sense, and makes those pancake prime lenses that bit more useful ... 9 MP at 1.5x zoom ... my only question is - does the digital zoom work in RAW mode?

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (Apr 20, 2012)

Nice BUT:

1. Where is PAL? Please, 25 and 50fps are a MUST if you want to be taken seriously...

2. 1920x810 is wrong and proves Samsung doesn't know the first thing about video codecs. Resolution has to be divisible by 16, or 8 at least, for optimal usage of the codec.

1920/16=120
1440/16=90
1280/16=80
1080/16=67.5
720/16=45
576/16=36
480/16=30

810/16=50.625!

In other words, it should be 1920x800 or 1728x720.

Samsung really needs to employ somebody who knows what they are doing... Things like these really makes them look stupid...

Samsung, if you are reading this, give me a job. I am in Korea and available :)

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Apr 20, 2012)

Samsung is a Korean monster. They are turning out very good products. How about their lenses?

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jgardia
By jgardia (Apr 20, 2012)

They are quite good. I like the 30mm. The 20mm is also nice, and the 18-55 and 50-200 are good but a bit too big.
i've heard that the 60mm macro and the 85mm are impressive, but out of my budget.

0 upvotes
lxstorm
By lxstorm (Apr 20, 2012)

AFAIK SAMSUNG optics inherits SCHNEIDER expertise.
Native Schneider lenses are top notch better than Leica M.

1 upvote
BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (Apr 20, 2012)

Monster is the right word...

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Alexander Tolchinskiy
By Alexander Tolchinskiy (Apr 20, 2012)

In Israel, it is impossible to buy any lens "Samsung", and Canon or Nikon have them anymore

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kei1309
By kei1309 (Apr 20, 2012)

too many newbies and fauxtographers making funny comments. not only the samsung fanboy *laughs* but from the other camps too.

i feel that Samsung shouldn't follow Canon with their style of giving minimal upgrades and disguising it as a new model with different styling.

Samsung has great glass, but even then, great glass can't save a sensor that's notable for poor high ISO, as seen with the previous NX cams. what the new series has remains to be seen. but i'm willing to bet....

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Alexramos
By Alexramos (Apr 20, 2012)

Have you compare the Sony NEX7 sensor with NX200?
Look both RAW and then say some about the "poor high ISO"

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iudex
By iudex (Apr 20, 2012)

You don´t have to wait: look here at DPR at NX200 standard test scene and compare the image quality of NX200 with NX100 (much much better) and with NEX7 (just a bit worse).

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

kei1309:

No the NX200 is good upto about ISO5000, though you do have to know how to shoot raw and use ACR, not the horrid Silkypix.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

iudex:

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it doesn't read like you downloaded and extracted the raws.

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (Apr 20, 2012)

No OIS for 20-50mm

Recipe for blurry photo

Big mistaje

1 upvote
iudex
By iudex (Apr 20, 2012)

If IS is important for you, take 18-55 mm. 20-50 is designed to be as compact as possible (and it truly is - in comparison with 18-55 with similar range) and for this purpose they gave up on IS . So the choice is yours: small lens without IS or IS in a big lens.

3 upvotes
peter42y
By peter42y (Apr 20, 2012)

In certain countries might not be easy to get the 18-55 mm OIS lens. One of the reasons I did not buy the NX100 was the fact that the lens was not stabilized . No one does like blurry pictures, lol.

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washcoll2004
By washcoll2004 (Apr 20, 2012)

No wonder all photos taken on old film cameras are so blurry... they didn't have OIS. Well at least now I know.

Or you could try shooting at 1/30 or faster.

4 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

Jefftan:

This is not a lens announcement, it's a camera announcement. And one thing about the NX cameras you seem to have missed: You can use different lenses.

Now, I happen to think that Samsung should sell the bodies alone seeing as that there are several out now.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

peter42y:

At least in the USA, the 18mm-55mm OIS lens came with the NX200.

Then too it's really not hard to hold a FF 75mm lens steady by hand, so that's not where image stabilization is used. Canon doesn't stabilize its 85mm lenses.

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dennis mol
By dennis mol (Apr 20, 2012)

Maybe I missed it, but why did they center the evf on the NX20 and not put it to the side like the NEX7? Most comments I have seen on the NEX7 finder like the finder to the side.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Apr 20, 2012)

Why not? Its their choice, they chose the centre, I guess its easy to manufacture that way too.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Apr 20, 2012)

For stability.
Modern LCDs do very well even in sun light, and I only use the EVF when I need the extra stability.
I've tried the Nex-7, using the EVF on the top left corner offers little extra stability.

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timedrun
By timedrun (Apr 20, 2012)

It's better ergonomically as it is on the nx20, but you won't look anywhere near as cool, so if you want to look really cool then put you camera away and only take it out when you need to take a photo, and use the rear screen, cos holding a camera up to your face is extra uncool.

If you you insist on trying to make your camera make you look cool then it's a really poor option, the only camera less cool than an nx20 is an actual dslr.

For times when I want to look cool is take out a disposable film camera that I buy from airports, the viewfinder (in the top left corner) makes me look like a dude, and I just throw the camera way afterwards without getting it developed because I only need it to make me look cool with its viewfinder placement.

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Cass_Rimportant
By Cass_Rimportant (Apr 21, 2012)

@ timedrun. Really? I own cameras that use both positions, and I find that the corner position is better ergonomically. The central EVF seems more like a design choice to resemble an SLR, which had that mirror placement due to the mechanics of the mirror mechanism. SLRs with offset viewfinders (the Panasonic DMC-L1 for example) needed more complex mechanisms and had smaller, dimmer viewfinders than comparable central viewfinders. To me it seems that centring the the EVF to resemble an SLR is at least as much as conscious style decision as offsetting the EVF to resemble a rangefinder.

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timedrun
By timedrun (Apr 25, 2012)

I find the "top left corner" viewfinder uncomfortable for portrait orientated shooting, and also less balanced for changing settings, especially anything that requires a "pincer" with the right hand on a back button. The best exposure parameter to change quickly is the aperture, but I find that setting to be the one that I would prefer to not change. All IMHO.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (Apr 19, 2012)

Will there be an external EVF for the NX210?

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Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 19, 2012)

Samsung is becoming a world leader in every field of technology. It is the only word company to face iPhone, iPad iSomething from Aplle. While Japan technology enterprises report anual losses Samsung is reporting profits, huge earnings.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Apr 19, 2012)

Yes, although their major profits come from memory chips, displays, TVs and phones, they are definitely becoming competitive in every field.

These days, it almost feels like all that will be left is Amazon, Google, Apple and Samsung :P

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (Apr 19, 2012)

we can not see a proper name misspelled, please spend a few seconds of your time double reading before posting.
Rubbish as Aplle, Cannon, etc., is best left in his own interior and not cause suffering to millions of readers, thank you!

4 upvotes
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 20, 2012)

You should know that misspelled names cost a fortune in search web sites like Google etc. What did you add? Nothing, only hate from within. If you suffer with a thing like that you probably has a kind of mental disfunction. In other words: Merda na cabeça. You fool.

Comment edited 55 seconds after posting
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Ciriacus
By Ciriacus (Apr 20, 2012)

Claudio NC and Ruy Penalva, this a typical "the blind leading the blind"

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (Apr 21, 2012)

Pena_lva, no hate from me, just discomfort and big irritation, hate is in you!

I like the rough bulls, strong and insensible when I see them in their natural habitat, but out of the pen, in an environment like this are misplaced: they are adding their crap-merda production, good only to fertilize their closed, confused minds, with deficient expression and personality with lack of self-critics, (expressão deficiente e personalidade com falta de auto-críticos) already too many like you in the world, probably no need for more.

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Banhmi
By Banhmi (Sep 25, 2012)

@Ruy and Claudio -
You make DPR comments section acquire stinky dung smell of bull like my neighbor Azamat! If you was from my glorious country we would put yous in gulag!

1 upvote
Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 19, 2012)

Some of the comments are amazing. The NX 5/10/11 is one of the best-designed contemporary cameras. Period. The only thing I see comparable is the Panasonic GH2. From what I read, Samsung's sensor isn't quite up to snuff, esp. higher ISO. Still, for everyday photography, the NX10 image quality is excellent and it has favorable pictorial quality. The main thing I would improve is the manual focus assist. Panasonic does it quite well.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Apr 20, 2012)

?????????? How can you honestly compare a 4/3rds sensor camera to an APSC sensor camera ... especially one with 20MP?

I had the GH2 and I have the NX11; the later of which, in all departments (IQ, quality, ease of use, handling, cost) blew the GH2 out the water. Thats not my opinion, thats based on owning both.

Nearest equiv to these would be the NEX-7, D5200, D3200, EOS550D etc ... although my NX11 also blows my D5100 out the water for IQ.

REALLY looking forward to seeing the NX20 then.

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kei1309
By kei1309 (Apr 20, 2012)

whattt?? you're comparing the renowned Nikon JPEG engine/Sony Sensor to the NX cams?

and dude, you're comparing cameras from different years and release dates. 550D when the 600D is out? and NEX series to the NX series?

undoubtedly you're an unabashed Samsung Fanboy, but heck, go do some reading up before you make any comparisons.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

Gesture:

In raw, it's easy to shoot at ISO2500 with the NX100--that be good.

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Cass_Rimportant
By Cass_Rimportant (Apr 21, 2012)

@ chadley_chad "Thats not my opinion, thats based on owning both"
I don't think you quite understand the concept of opinion. Because I have owned and eaten two varieties of pizza, and prefer one over the other, does not magically transform my opinion that one "blows the other out of the water" into a universal truth.

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Shahmatt
By Shahmatt (May 1, 2012)

I own the NX10. It is still running strong ever since I bought the camera in May 2009.

I can honestly say that the image quality is on par with DSLRs. dpreview's NX10 test shots are out of focus and hence not representative of the sensor's capabilities - there have been a lot of complaints about this on the Samsung forums but to no avail.

I have also won 3 company photo competitions with this camera. This in competition with others wielding "better" DSLR bodies. I think the NX20 will be a winner.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Apr 19, 2012)

Why are people hating on a camera no one really knows anything about yet?

Wi-fi doesn't mean the camera is Facebook, point and shoot garbage- it's simply a sharing flexibility that has potential uses for external displays, emailing, and other things even professionals might find useful. To say you won't use it just because it has it makes you a moron.

The sensor has been proven (from the NX200) to be competitive; high ISO (RAW) seems very comparable to the NEX cams up to 3200, although beyond that they have work to do, and resolution is up there with any other high end cam in good light.

I don't know why people are even commenting on the looks; everything is subjective, and honestly I think it looks reliable and tank like- it certainly isn't the worst looking camera, when you consider things like the EPL1, GF3, C3, etc. (and you may disagree with me, again this is opinion).

These cams seem to be a good step up; really, Samsung just needs to shed the brand aminosity

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Apr 20, 2012)

I only comment on camera's I've owned ... how else can you express an honest opinion otherwise. Shame then these sites are full of people dissing these new products when they've probably never even owned a Samsung! I have, both the EX1 and the NX11 alongside S95, D5100, EOS550D, NEX-C3 ... and IQ and ease of use wise (along with other features), both Samsung's come out on top IMO. Try a Samsung, you'll be VERY surprised!!!

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Knight Palm
By Knight Palm (Apr 19, 2012)

Previous Samsung models doesn't do compressed raw format. Therefore their raw files are humongous. It's about time to start compressing their raw files, since all other competitors do!

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jj74e
By jj74e (Apr 19, 2012)

only the NX200 didn't compress the RAWs. all other previous models did.

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conphi65
By conphi65 (Apr 20, 2012)

@Knight Palm
Don't worry about the 25 fps spec missing, they always advertise the NTSC versions, don't forget, we don't exist outside of North America...

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jgardia
By jgardia (Apr 20, 2012)

Dear jj74e,
none of the Samsung cameras compress a raw file. for example, the NX10 and 100 have raw files that are about 26-29MB, and of those 14.7*1.5 (12 bit) are the uncompressed raw, plus a 4-7MB JPEG inside.

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Zdman
By Zdman (Apr 20, 2012)

The NX100 just packed the bits (two 12 bit numbers stored as 3 bytes). The NX200 stored two 12 bit numbers as 4 bytes. Both are uncompressed (ie did not make use of a compression algorithm)

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Knight Palm
By Knight Palm (Apr 19, 2012)

- Where are the PAL world settings?
-Why is 25 fps missing?
- Is it a hardware problem, or could it easily be fixed at a f/w update?

I read the video specification:
1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1920 x 810 (24 fps) 1280 x 720 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (30 fps)

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Tape5
By Tape5 (Apr 19, 2012)

A 118,000,000,000 dollar company wants a larger share of 220,000,000 photos uploaded to Facebook each week.

Show me the snooze button please...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Apr 19, 2012)

Samsung's EX1 and NX11 were probably the most unknown and underrated camera's out there! Regretted selling the EX1 (the size of the S95 won the day!) but I still own the NX11 and its quality (IMO) is breathtaking .... EASILY beating images produced by both my NEX-C3 and D5100. Quality is also top notch and lenses are relatively cheap on eBay and I like the iFN function.

Only downside to the NX11 was/is the focusing and FPS are a tad too slow, the screen doesn't swivel and theres no low cost f1.7 or f1.8 pancake. That aside I love it - lightweight, quality .... and I only paid £299 for a NEW twin lens bundle.

Really looking forward to checking out the new model!

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JoeDaBassPlayer
By JoeDaBassPlayer (Apr 19, 2012)

Focus peaking lets you focus quickly and accurately when it gets really dark.

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JoeDaBassPlayer
By JoeDaBassPlayer (Apr 19, 2012)

Focus Peaking is a must for a mirrorless camera. IBIS would be good as well.

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (Apr 22, 2012)

The Focus Peaking is a welcome and promising function, but in the NEX-5N and NEX-7 unfortunately is very inaccurate.
I say this because I'm using both these cameras with manual lenses.

What seems at perfect focus looking at the coloured markings in all the frame, almost always (by checking with the zoom of live-view) is a lot out of focus and then you must correct each time.
Given this there is little surprising that some autofocus too often fail in their intent, I think that the logic function is the same, or similar.
With the autofocus mode, an electric motor is actuated, with focus peaking, the informations are overlayed on the live view monitor.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 19, 2012)

NX1000 with their great 30mm f2 pancake would be a killer small combo and give about the same DOF control as m4/3 with the 25mm f1.4.

My only worry is that the RAWs are still going to be 50MB each.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 19, 2012)

Sony Sensor Densities:

SLT-A57 = ~212.7 pixels/mm (lower APS-C model) = ~16.7Mp
NEX-5N = ~213.1 pixels/mm (lower APS-C model) = ~16.5Mp
NEX-7/SLT-A77 = ~259.7 pixels/mm (higher APS-C model) = ~24.7Mp

Nikon Sensor Densities (from Sony):
D3200 = ~262.8 pixels/mm (lower APS-C model) = ~24.7Mp
D800 = ~206.7 pixels/mm (lower FF model) = ~36.8Mp
D4 = ~138.9 pixels/mm (higher FF model) = ~16.6Mp

Samsung Sensor Densities:
NX-20/NX-210 = ~242.0 pixels/mm (high-end APS-C model) = ~21.6Mp

sits just slightly better (lower density; larger pixel) than NEX-7/SLT-A77
but not as low density as NEX-5N, so overall NX IQ could exceed either NEX/SLT models if Samsung has made pixel sensor progress.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 19, 2012)

What's your source for claims that Sony made the D4 and D800 sensors?

Note well that there is no evidence that Sony made the Nikon D3 or D3s sensors. No matter what is claimed on the internets.

Since Sony did make the D3x sensor, I'd suspect your right about the D800, but what's the source?

Beyond sensor density, heat dispersion and raw processing matters too.

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ingram98ab
By ingram98ab (Apr 19, 2012)

Ja, i think the first line "Sony Sensor densities" just applies for the 3 sony sensors right below it, just as the "nikon sensor densities" line applies for the 3 nikon sensors below it. There's just an extra space there. Still, i would like to know the source too, it's a great bite of information, thanx sdyue!!

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Douglas F Watt
By Douglas F Watt (Apr 19, 2012)

So, Howaboutraw, you're kidding right? You believe that Nikon has the chip expertize to create both the new 36MP FF and the 24MP APS-C sensor, instead of buying those (modified to their specs perhaps) from Sony? With all the evidence that Nikon loves Sony sensors (D3x, D7000 among many others), they decided to invest (without it making a ripple in the technology ocean and without any major hiring away from competition) the ~ 2 billion it takes to create sensors from scratch and with no real prior manufacturing experience? Check out http://www.chipworks.com/media/wpmu/uploads/blogs.dir/4/files/2011/01/IMX071_diemrk.jpg. I suppose that the Sony A99 sensor (36MP by all accounts) is just coincidence (w/ the D800)?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 19, 2012)

Douglas F Watt:

Reread what I wrote before spouting: Nowhere did I claim that Nikon made the D3s and D3 sensors.

Note well: Nikon most certainly engineered the sensors in the D2H and D2Hs, and irony Nikon is a major maker of chip making equipment.

The unconfirmed rumor is that Fuji built the D3, D3s and D4 sensors.

Also reread where I pointed out that the sensor in the D800 is most likely a Sony chip. That's the third paragraph, which you seem to have ignored. Just like adding the assertion that Nikon did the chip building.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 19, 2012)

These look like hundreds of other digital camera out there. We have so many makes and models now, I guess if one model sells a few hundred copies for the manufacturer, that can almost be considered a "success story" for them.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Apr 19, 2012)

Will the sensor smear high ISO JPEG images in the NX20 as the same sensor does in the NX200 as reported in DPReview's review of the NX200?

I hope not. This is what may make me wait rather than my intended pre-order.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 19, 2012)

given NX200 is still new; it's highly likely the NX20/NX210/NX1000 is the same sensor

only it will not smear as badly as Sony's NEX-7/SLT-A77's sensor

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Apr 19, 2012)

If there is "smearing", that would be the image processing engine, specifically the in-camera noise reduction, not the sensor.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Apr 19, 2012)

@sdyue

Looked up comparison images between the NEX 7, NX200, & G1X at ISO 3200. While the NX200 was the worst of the three, the NEX7 and G1X performed rather good; Each had their strengths in some areas and I wouldn't say either was the out and out winner.

You did mention that the NEX7 smears images badly, I couldn't find any professionals with similar opinions. Here's a few things I did find:

NEX 7:
• ...impressive high-ISO performance
• Noise is kept in check until around ISO 1600, and ISO 3200 in good light.
• Excellent image noise, even at high ISO levels.
• Maximum ISO of 16,000 (good quality to 3,200).

Samsung NX200:
• Fairly aggressive noise reduction starts blurring detail at lower ISOs...
• JPEG engine smears subtle detail in reds more so than most other cameras, yet leaves a lot of chroma noise behind at higher ISOs.

G1X:
• Excellent high ISO performance.
• ...low noise until highest ISOs.
• As ISO rises, contrast and saturation tend to decrease...

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Apr 19, 2012)

« continued »

NEX7 cont.
• Noise doesn't rear its ugly head until ISO 3200 for JPEGs and even the faster settings prove eminently usable...
• Image noise only became visible in test shots at ISO 6400 and it was mainly the granularity of luminance noise.
• Shots taken at ISO 6400 were printable at A4 size.

NX200 cont.
• Very good JPEG image quality at low to moderate ISOs.
• The images were clean right up to about 3200. At ISO 6400, noise became intrusive.
• I'd be happy to regularly shoot with any setting from 100-1600, and even 3200 is handy at a push.

G1X cont.
• ...it can't match a DSLR or an APS-C equipped compact system camera at the higher ISO speeds, but ISO 100-1600 is eminently usable with 3200 as a backup.
• Shots taken at high ISO settings were consistently clean and noise-free up to ISO 6400.

Noone mentions "smearing" in the NEX 7, and it gets as good or better remarks about it's ISO perfomance than it's competitors. hmm.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Apr 19, 2012)

I agree that I've never seen anyone mention smearing with the NEX.

I would point out that you get very different high iso comparisons with the nx200 depending on whether you compare jpg, or raw.

Jpg has terrible blurring/smearing at high iso on the nx200. Raw on the other hand is much, much better. And hopefully an updated camera will remove some of the weirdness (noise reduction being on causing noise reduction being applied to raw files at high iso), or hopefull even improve the jpg processing.

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SBoudreault
By SBoudreault (Apr 19, 2012)

"You did mention that the NEX7 smears images badly, I couldn't find any professionals with similar opinions."

I couldn't find any professional with a NEX7 period :)
Sorry...

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Apr 19, 2012)

@ SBoudreault,
I wonder where I got those quotes from then, hmmm.

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conphi65
By conphi65 (Apr 20, 2012)

Trey Ratcliffe has a NEX-7 & he loves it!

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kei1309
By kei1309 (Apr 20, 2012)

well, it's a known fact that people love to rip on Sony. i have friends who are professionals and using the 5n and 7 for their back-up cams, or just for videography.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Apr 19, 2012)

Error on NX20 LCD specs.

You list the LCD as 'Fixed" for the NX20.

The line 'Articulating LCD' should read 'Yes', not 'Fixed''.

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Mirfak
By Mirfak (Apr 19, 2012)

It's a "fixed" articulating screen, meaning that it can't be detached from the camera :)

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Apr 19, 2012)

For the extremely small percentage of 'removable' LCD, the term 'Fixed' is misleading.

Fixed Is my LCD on my D7000.

Artuculating is the LCD on my TL500.

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Apr 19, 2012)

The NX1000 looks promising as the photographer's carry around DC replacement.

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Henrik Herranen
By Henrik Herranen (Apr 19, 2012)

"super-wide 2.35:1 aspect ratio (the aspect ratio that many pre-1970 movies were projected in)"

Actually, big budget movies are still almost always presented in the 2.35:1 format at cinemas.

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ck3
By ck3 (Apr 19, 2012)

Most pre-1970 movies were actually projected in 1.33:1. The watershed was 1953/1954 when Hollywood switched to widescreen (mostly 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 - Ben-Hur was even projected in 2.73:1).

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DioCanon
By DioCanon (Apr 19, 2012)

to be accurate in 1953 The Robe was the 1st widescreen movie at 2.20:1

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 19, 2012)

@ck3: So you say Hollywood switched to widescreen in the early 50s, but then movies before 1970 were shot 4:3? Isn't the 1950s before 1970? I'm confused.

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ck3
By ck3 (Apr 19, 2012)

@tkbslc I wrote "Most pre-1970 movies". "Pre-1970s there were 15 years of widescreen movies and about 40-50 years of 4:3 movies. So most movies pre-1970 were 1.33:1 (1.37:1 to be precise).

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (Apr 19, 2012)

This is ridiculous. Instead of speding tons of $$$ in research of new cameras why don't they spend their money on making sure their cameras and lenses are more available ?

Their lenses and bodies are hardly available anywhere so even those who want to buy their cameras and lenses simply cannot.

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Apr 19, 2012)

Guess that's a question of Hens or Eggs first.sure it would be great if they can have a widely available network of retail supplu, but business wise, if they do not have a critical mass of lineup , then it won't help.

Anyway the retail network part is somewhat different in different locale too. These days the North American market is pretty much a torture for any retail type business and I guess that's one reason why its hard to push new brand.

Samsung should consider how they can market theirs online with online retailing, and solidify their stock and delivery. Its of no use if customer cannot get their hands on actual product

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 19, 2012)

Is wide distribution to "bricks and mortar" retailers a viable buisness model any more? Own any Best Buy, Ritz, Borders, or Circuit City stock? Do you shop only at places where they dutifully charge the sales tax and pay the camera sales staff enough to support a family? Would you pay for a camera whose price included the costs of extensive inventories, to say nothing of union wages at the plant? Don't be bashful. Of course you wouldn't. Samsung's leaner approach is probably one that other manufacturers, except for maybe two, will follow.

Cell phones and web sales have obliterated much of the traditional mainstay of consumer electronics retailing. There would be no point in carrying Samsung lenses in stock at a store, unless the mark-up were huge and you could be sure you could sell the thing before it became obsolete. Even a Samsung loyalist would cringe at the price and prefer to buy online.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 19, 2012)

Cy Cheze:

Several actual photo stores in New York City have Samsung NX lenses in stock.

With the NX200 Samsung was generally too slow to provide demo units for floor display.

No one buying a serious digital camera is going to make a purchase without handling the camera and shooting with it, so there are two reasons for real stores displaying real equipment.

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ogl
By ogl (Apr 19, 2012)

We have no any problem with Samsung cameras and lenses in Russia

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 19, 2012)

Cameras that don't sell well don't get stocked. Cameras that don't get stocked don't sell well. Vicious cycle, eh?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 19, 2012)

ogl:

Is the NX mount 85mm F/1.4 readily available for purchase in Russia?

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Apr 19, 2012)

It's a shame that the compact models don't seem to have as many manual controls as the Nex cameras, at least the Nex 7's. This seems more user-friendly oriented than enthusiast-oriented, it seems to be more in line with the Nex 5 or the Olympus Pen series.

They do look nice though. Not that it matters much to some photographers, but the construction quality and design seems to rival (or borrow heavily) from Sony's cameras, like Samsung usually does.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Apr 19, 2012)

the NX200/210/1000 have more manual controls than most CSCs, especially the NEXs, bar the NEX7. :) Two dials.

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Apr 19, 2012)

Then consider me corrected.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 19, 2012)

These are the most full-featured, adept, yet fluid to use cameras I have ever encountered. Many on these forums aspire to something akin to the very best compact SLRs of the film era (Nikon FM/FE, Contax 139, Minoltax X, Pentax ME, etc.) The only two cameras I know that fulfill this are the Panasonic GH2 and the Samsung NX5/10/11, now 20. Regardless of sensor performance, which is fine, and kit lens quality, which I think is excellent, the Samsung cameras are outstanding from a veteran user standpoint. Even the iFunction on the lens, which didn't attract me at first, is a powerful feature.

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Apr 19, 2012)

actually, two dials plus iFn dial on the lens...

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Apr 19, 2012)

They may very well be, but I'm a bit biased against Samsung. Even though they are entirely capable of producing beautiful designs and products, most of their product lineup heavily borrows features from their competitors, and I have a hard time respecting a company that does that, even if from a technical standpoint some of their products may be better.

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Apr 19, 2012)

"borrows features"? Or "brings features to market later"?

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viking79
By viking79 (Apr 19, 2012)

You realize Samsung NX was on the market before Sony NEX, by about 5 or 6 months.

Or are you talking Samsung in general? All manufacturers borrow from designs of others. It really is complimentary as it says it was a good design (as long as they don't blatantly rip something off and try to pass it off as another product)

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Apr 19, 2012)

I don't want to turn this into a flamewar. In my opinion, you'd have to be blind to all of Samsung's competitors to not see how much they steal from their competitors, but that's just my opinion.

If you want to judge them by the merits of one of their single products, by all means, do so. As a consumer, you shouldn't care about who is inspiring who, you just want a good product with good value, and that's fine.

But as for me, there are certain values I follow in life, and the companies whose products I purchase are chosen because of their own merits, not someone else's.

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kei1309
By kei1309 (Apr 20, 2012)

imitation is a form of flattery. while generally you have to give it to Samsung for their huge success, i don't really like to use products that are subtle rip-offs.

NX-10 - rip-off of the Nikon DSLR design
NX-200 - not a rip-off but the design was pretty bad for the grip
NX-210 - body is a slimmer version of the NEX-C3

personally, i use the NEX-7 for my work. and yes, no camera beats the Tri-navi as yet for the compact mirrorless segment.
so it's balls when you say that the NX series are easy to navigate.

as for the iFn feature. to newbies it's a god-send. you can change details without worrying about composition. BUT. with the EVF on the Sony SLTs and NEX (with EVF), even cameras with great Live-view, you don't even need to look at the viewfinder. just look at the LCD and the exposure and WB settings can be changed without pointing the camera elsewhere.

to me, iFn should be taken out and R&D costs saved to develop other stuff

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Apr 20, 2012)

So you won't buy any Canon and Nikon because their first cameras were basically a copy of Leica cameras?

Still...you will not buy any car other from German one...since German people invented car...so all other brands copied them?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

thewhitehawk:

Too bad Sony couldn't be bothered to rip off that Samsung 30mm F/2.0 lens which retails for $300. Same goes for Sony not bothering to rip off the Samsung 16mm F/2.4 lens. (And these are just the available NX lenses from Samsung--the 85mm F/1.4 will arrive someday, and Sony still won't rip it off.)

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thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (Apr 23, 2012)

This is precisely the type of discussion I was trying to avoid. I am not trying to undermine Samsung's engineering capabilities, they have excellent engineers and they are capable of providing great products with equal or better quality than most of their competitors, they are this era's Sony in terms of engineering quality and product diversity.

What upsets me though is that almost every product they release is only meant to attract or compete with one certain product. They release a phone with a ridiculous amount of megapixels, to compete with Nokia (a few years back), they release a phone whose shape and design is almost equal to (then current) iPhone like the Galaxy S2, and now these super thin cameras that are really close to the Sony NEX-3 or 5 in terms of shape and fit-and-finish.

I'm not saying that Samsung is the only company in the world that is inspired by their competitors, they aren't, but they do this in *all* of their product ranges, that's why I don't like them.

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (Apr 19, 2012)

Samsung is taking its best effort to oushine Sony NEX succes. (The NX200 fell behind with image quality).

It's the APS-C sensor that makes Sony and Samsung interesting for professional photography.

When will the NX 20/210/1000 be released?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

Have you looked at NX200 raws? Doesn't read like you have.

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (Apr 21, 2012)

Yes I have inspected with great interest the NX200 review on this site, starting with the raw file performance.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 21, 2012)

daMatrix:

Did you download the NX200 raws and the Sony Nex 7 raws and then extract them with Adobe Camera Raw?

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daMatrix
By daMatrix (May 7, 2012)

No, I inspected the raw converted files here on dpreview. I trust dpreview their straight forward raw conversion.

And also note that I eyeball the higher iso performance (for concerts I need iso 6400).

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ogl
By ogl (Apr 19, 2012)

NX210 and NX1000 are sexy

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (Apr 19, 2012)

And look to be aimed directly at Nikon 1 which is probably a good move.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 19, 2012)

But, unlike the Nikon 1, they seem to be available in only the "standard" colors for Korean autos: black, white, or silver. Not pink. No Pentax yellow either.

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ogl
By ogl (Apr 19, 2012)

N1000 will be pink.

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kei1309
By kei1309 (Apr 20, 2012)

which explains why the design of all the cameras seem to be so similar to the NEX and 1 series of cameras.

'nuff said!

koff koff *rip-off*

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Apr 20, 2012)

kei1309:

When will the Nikon 1 series rip off that 30mm F/2.0 Samsung lens?

Same question for Sony's Nex series.

No mirrorless system has yet ripped off the Nikon 1's phase detect autofocus, too bad.

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CAClark
By CAClark (Apr 19, 2012)

They look ok to me, no worse than a lot of other mirrorless cams on the market, but then what would I know, I'm not an self-opinionated ego-maniac like pretty well every other commenter on this site.

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magneto shot
By magneto shot (Apr 19, 2012)

just give it up samsung. stick to wifi compacts...

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Apr 19, 2012)

Why? When they're better equipped than their competitiors (micro four s***)

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Apr 19, 2012)

NX20 is ugly! I sure hope the external flash on the 210/1000 van pop-up instead of flashing the top of the lens.

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ogl
By ogl (Apr 19, 2012)

ugly? close to NX11. and very comfortable in hand. it's not ugly NEX.

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iudex
By iudex (Apr 19, 2012)

Most of the ergonomic cameras don´t look great, because good handling, sufficient grip and external controls contradict sleek and elegant design. So let the design-seekers admire their sexy cameras with no grip and controls and the rest of us will be simply taking pictures. ;-)

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Apr 19, 2012)

almost any dslr looks better than this thing. so itś not about the grip or controls. I don't like it's proportions.

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ashwins
By ashwins (Apr 19, 2012)

Ugly?? No, I would say it looks much more sexy than NX200/210/1000. And as a NX10 owner I can say that it will be very nice to handle!

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Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 19, 2012)

Most dSLRs remind of the cockpit of a space craft and are just as confusing. The NX 5/10/11/20 is the best designed, most fluid digital camera I have ever encountered. Its coherent and solid.

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CarVac
By CarVac (Apr 19, 2012)

1920x810 at 24fps??? What on earth?

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Apr 19, 2012)

2.39:1 - Widescreen cinema standard. As well as the framerate.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Apr 19, 2012)

It's the 2.39:1 cinematic aspect ratio

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 19, 2012)

Does Samsung make any 2.39:1 HDTVs? The video would look letterboxed on a 16:9 screen. The wider the screen, the harder it gets to do portrait-like closeups in video. If it's hard to get tight shots, one might be better off shooting 16:9 and then crop.

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Apr 19, 2012)

The Lord of the Rings, on Blu Ray:
Aspect ratio: 2.41:1. Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

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PeterTom
By PeterTom (Apr 19, 2012)

to Cy Cheze:

I do not know about Samsung, but Philips is producing 21:9 TVs:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/Philips-Cinema-21-9-56PFL9954H-56in-LCD-TV_TV_review

21/9 = 2.33
Not equal to 1.39, but quite close.

I just hope that it will not be the next standard for PC and notebook displays...

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snake_b
By snake_b (Apr 19, 2012)

I can't wait to see the shortcomings of these cams, likely unsolved and covered up with gadget features.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Apr 19, 2012)

Arent I surprised its snake here.

Stop the libel.

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rohorn
By rohorn (Apr 19, 2012)

How cute and adorable - the 15 year old Snake has an opinion and can post on the internet.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Apr 19, 2012)

This brand name is like Converse...

It's everywhere!

.

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mugupo
By mugupo (Apr 19, 2012)

Samsung come one release a compact lens combo.

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mugupo
By mugupo (Apr 19, 2012)

Where is Canon?

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Apr 19, 2012)

They're testing the water with a fixed lens large sensor compact (G1X)

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kff
By kff (Apr 19, 2012)

What a great ! Remote control of camera by Wi-Fi ...

and Where is mount of tripod on the tablets or two mounts for beeter stability ?
... maybe a new Galaxy Tab 3 etc.:)

I want to get it and AFadapter for my Pentax lenses ... :)

It only needs add a radio TTL control for external flashes.
Maybe it is possible to do it in the controll Android device:
sw and hw solution ...

Next step would be a sharing memory of camera and tablet via a special high speed connection etc.

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mbot
By mbot (Apr 19, 2012)

Well actually it never ceases to amaze me just how stupid these companies are. Clearly they are not trying to attract the enthusiast market with their cameras. If they want to compete they have to value-add, do it all with better quality, and at a lower price. Hasn't Samsung heard of AVCHD 2.0. 1920-1080 at 60fps at 28mbps. Why do they "insist" on not giving it to us despite it being freely available to them and easy to implement. Gosh, these new Samsungs only have a CIPA rating of 310 shots, and that 20 megapixel sensor is even noisier than Sony's 24 mp sensor. Samsung is supposed to be a world-class electronics company competing at the upper echelons of electronics and they keep coming out with junk. Unbelievable, i do not make excuses for these stupid antics like other people do, and i will never accept such incompetence, in this day and age there is no excuse for utter stupidity and bad implementation of technology, no matter what niche they are claiming to address, simple as that!

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kff
By kff (Apr 19, 2012)

Development goes ahead and changes experienced by the case.

Electronic cameras weren't originally designed for high performance, just as we now manage IBM's technolgies, etc.

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Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (Apr 19, 2012)

AVCHD is Pana/Sony.
And I don't believe it is noisier - are you looking at the Raws available on this site?

No excuses indeed...

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