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Canon announces EOS-1D C 4K DSLR with 8-bit 4:2:2 1080p HDMI output

By dpreview staff on Apr 12, 2012 at 13:00 GMT

Canon has unveiled its promised 4K capable DSLR, the EOS-1D C, which can capture 4K (4096 x 2160 pixel) video at up to 24p without downscaling, from an APS-H crop of its 18MP full-frame sensor. The camera, which shares the majority of its specifications with the still-awaited EOS 1D X, can also capture 1080p60 or 50p or output it uncompressed over its HDMI connector. Full HD can be captured from a 16:9 crop from the whole sensor, or a smaller, APS-C-like Super 35mm sub-frame that allows the use of Canon's EF Cinema Zoom lenses. The camera will cost around €10,000 (exact price to be confirmed) and will be available from October.

The company says the camera has been developed in discussions with Hollywood and television broadcasters, to ensure it has the features they need. This includes the ability to capture 4k or 1080p footage in either intraframe (All-I) interframe (IPB) compression Motion JPEGs, and the ability to output a 1080p Y'CbCr 4:2:2 signal over its HDMI port.

While 4K-compatible monitors are just starting to appear and both Adobe Premier CS6 and Final Cut Pro X support 4K editing, Canon says it doesn't expect 4K to be a practical concern for many individuals in the short term. However, the ability to archive original footage at high resolution, in preparation for the market catching up could be a draw for the cinema and broadcast industry.

The 1D C gains a series of features from the C300 native Full HD camera launched last year. This includes Canon Log Gamma - a very flat, low contrast, high dynamic range response, allowing footage from both cameras to be mixed together and color-graded identically. It can also mirror its HDMI signal - including the option to show a 'View Assist' simulation of graded output over HDMI while still capturing log gamma footage.

Unlike the C300, the EOS-1D C does not offer zebra striping or peaking focus aids, which the company sees as being more important in single-person operated documentary settings, rather than the rig-and-crew situations it expects the 1D C to be used in.

How is it different to an EOS-1D X?

In many respects the EOS-1D C is a very close cousin of the 1D X, but Canon insists the circuitry and heat management of the camera has been re-worked to avoid overheating with the immense (and sustained) data rates required for 4K video recording. The 1D C also has headphone socket, and loses the flash sync port.

Canon won't be pinned down on the precise details of hardware differences but also says the 1D X might be subject to greater import duty into North America and the EU if an aftermarket firmware change would allow the recording of more than 29 minutes, 59 seconds of video, so this isn't a 1D X with extended video and 4K enabled in firmware.

However, the 1D C can still capture 18MP images at 12fps and its 4Kp24 footage means individual frames can be used at the same 8MP resolution as offered by the EOS-1D Mark II - a photojournalist tool widely used until fairly recently. And, while the portrait-orientation grip may seem redundant for video shooting, it does provide room for a large capacity battery, which is absolutely essential.

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 Press Release

Canon expands Cinema EOS System with new EOS-1D C digital SLR supporting 4K video capture

London, UK, 12 April, 2012 – Canon today announces the introduction of the new EOS-1D C, a digital single-lens reflex (SLR) camera targeting the motion picture, television and high-resolution production industries. Delivering outstanding video quality, advanced low light performance and film-like dynamic range, the compact and lightweight EOS-1D C supports in-camera 4K (4,096 x 2,160) video recording with 4:2:2 colour sampling, offering greater creative freedom for video professionals.

The first SLR camera of its kind, the EOS-1D C offers a unique and highly portable package optimised for high-quality video recording. Advanced creative flexibility is provided with support for a range of resolutions and variable frame rates. 4K video is recorded using 8-bit Motion JPEG compression at 24p, and Full HD (1920 x 1080) video capture is available at frame rates up to 1080/60p. The camera supports internal recording to CF cards at all resolutions up to and including 4K, offering enhanced mobility. Video can also be output to external recorders1 via an integrated HDMI terminal using an uncompressed YCbCr 4:2:2 signal.

The EOS-1D C also features Canon Log Gamma, which facilitates the capture of high quality video rich in exposure latitude and dynamic range. Ideal for video professionals who want to retain the maximum amount of information without huge file sizes, Canon Log Gamma offers a dynamic range uniquely comparable to film, minimising shadowdetail loss and highlight-detail loss to provide greater grading freedom for colourists in post-production.

"The EOS-1D C is a fantastic addition to the Cinema EOS System," said Kieran Magee, Marketing Director, Professional Imaging, Canon Europe. "Since the introduction of Cinema EOS we've had an excellent response from professionals who are hugely excited by the image quality and creative freedom the system offers. The new EOS-1D C will expand those creative options further – it's a unique camera, supporting 4K video recording in a highly compact body that can be used in a number of different ways. We're very excited to see what the professional community can achieve with it."

Advanced performance meets creative flexibility

Based on the core specifications of the EOS-1D X, the EOS-1D C provides exceptional image quality and versatility, with an 18.1-megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor. Optimised for high quality video capture, the sensor provides video professionals with the freedom to adjust image resolution to suit a subject or desired output. During 4K shooting pixels are cropped to an area equivalent to an APS-H sensor, preventing the need to resize or scale the image, ensuring maximum image quality. Additionally, a Super 35mm crop in Full HD recording caters for cinematographers who typically work in the Super 35mm field of view.

The sensor provides high quality performance in all conditions, delivering advanced creative blurring and light capturing abilities when used in combination with Canon's EF Cinema prime lenses. Its size enables professionals to achieve an extremely shallow depth of field with beautiful background blur, and sensitivity up to ISO 25,600 provides excellent quality and reduced noise in low-light situations.

In addition, support for 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60p frame rates in Full HD resolution shooting provides additional flexibility, satisfying the shooting needs of professionals across the industry. Industry-standard timecode and codec support and a choice of compression methods provides compatibility with established workflow processes, facilitating easy editing and grading immediately after shooting.

The EOS-1D C ships with an exclusive software package, including a suite that allows 4K/Motion JPEG and Full HD/60p video shot on the camera to be output on an external monitor2 with no loss of image quality. It also enables video shot with Canon Log Gamma to be output on a monitor with standard video gamma applied.

Additional advanced applications, including Picture Style Editor and EOS Utility, also enable adjustments to various camera settings to be conducted from a PC. Real-time procedures, such as the editing and registration of picture styles or checking results on a monitor, can be conveniently performed on-set using a PC or Mac – allowing users to promptly carry out adjustments, and ensuring efficient shooting and post-production procedures.

EF lenses and EF Cinema Lenses – freedom to explore

As part of the EOS system, the EOS-1D C is compatible with more than 60 EF lenses, all of which offer high resolutions to support 4K image capture. The EF lens series offers exceptional creative freedom, with focal length options ranging from 8mm to 800mm. Over 70 million EF lenses have been manufactured since the EOS system launched in 1987 – a measure of its unparalleled quality and popularity. As part of the Cinema EOS System, Canon has also introduced a range of 4K EF Cinema Lenses, utilising the company's unique optical heritage to produce leading-quality lenses optimised for high-quality video capture.

Canon EOS-1D C – key features:

  • 4k movies
  • 1080p at 50/60fps; Canon Log Gamma
  • Uncompressed HDMI output
  • 18 MP Full Frame CMOS
  • Up to 12fps stills; 14fps mode
  • 61 point AF system
  • ISO range 100-25600
  • Dual DIGIC 5+ processors
  • Clear View II 8.1cm (3.2") LCD
  • EF lens compatible

1 Excluding 4K video
2 Requires the use of a PC equipped with an SDI port

Canon EOS-1D C specifications

Body type
Body typeLarge SLR"
Sensor
Max resolution5184 x 3456
Other resolutions4608 x 3072, 3456 x 2304, 2592 x 1728
Image ratio w:h3:2
Effective pixels18 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors19 megapixels
Sensor sizeFull frame (36 x 24 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDual Digic 5+
Image
ISO100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800, 25600, 51200 (50, 102400 and 204800 with boost)
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (5)
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points61
Lens mountCanon EF
Focal length multiplier1×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3.2
Screen dots1,040,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeClear View II TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeOptical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification0.76×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesE-TTL II Auto Flash, Metered Manual
Continuous drive14 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec, remote)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Average
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±3 (2, 3, 5, 7 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Resolutions4096 x 2160 (24 fps), 1920 x 1080 (60, 50, 30, 25, 24 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (60, 50 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
Videography notesintra or inter frame
MicrophoneMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesCompact Flash (Type I or II), UDMA compatible
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
HDMIYes (Mini)
WirelessOptional
Wireless notesLC-5
Remote controlYes (N3 connector)
Physical
Environmentally sealedYes (Water and dust resistant)
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion LP-E4N rechargeable battery & charger
Dimensions158 x 164 x 83 mm (6.22 x 6.46 x 3.27)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes (by cable and PC)
GPSOptional
GPS notesGP-E1, GPE2

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Comments

Total comments: 428
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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (Apr 12, 2012)

I wonder if the lower density sensor on the 1D K will produce (compared to the 1Ds or 5D3) less noise at higher ISOs. Technically speaking, of course it should be able to do it.

But if you know Canon, they'll make sure the noise levels remain about the same so that their video-focused camera isn't better at photos than their flagship photo-focused models. They'll achieve this by disabling some premium features.

2 upvotes
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 12, 2012)

Will NiKon be able to follow Canon paces or will it stay lagging behind?

0 upvotes
Kane Joseph
By Kane Joseph (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon is obviously carving it's own path here, so it's safe to say Nikon will not be lagging behind when it comes down to something called PHOTOgraphy.

2 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Apr 12, 2012)

Nikon does not make video cameras and it never has. Their focus is still photography where they have been out in front of Canon for IQ for at least 5 years.

They won't even try to match this camera as it's a professional video camera, and Nikon has no interest in that market segment.

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon has their EOS C300 video-cam and their XF-line of camcorders, but none of those are really in the true professional classification, AFAIK. And neither is this 1D C.

0 upvotes
jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon is losing the pixel wars. The D800 is still the clear winner. Yes, this new Canon offers better video, but I don't shoot much video anyway. I will take great Nikkor lenses and pay $3,000 for 36.3 MP all day and twice on Sunday over this new niche-market Canon. If I were in the video biz (and who isn't in SoCal), I would choose the new Canon, but at what price?

1 upvote
photo nuts
By photo nuts (Apr 13, 2012)

Pixel wars... blah blah blah... the amateurish fanboy talk...

0 upvotes
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 13, 2012)

I think just now Canon is focused on video capabilities of its still cameras, some old interviews with Canon CEOs pointed in that direction. I don't believe that pixels (beyond 20MP) are very important to the vast majority of camera owners who will never print their photos, never. The fact is that Kodak was the first to create a sensor abover 30MP in a 35mmm full frame camera but did not make any success. I think too that what impeded Canon to increase the pixels number of its current sensors was the clear option to video capability. To my knowledge no one market camcorder has a so big sensor in that megapixels range. I think Canon is right and will win the fight by making a more versatile camera.

0 upvotes
jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Apr 13, 2012)

Photo Nuts... you don't know of what you speak. If you did, you would not say such stuff. Please think first.

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Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 13, 2012)

Why not you wise man? If you love Nikon stay with it but be not unelegant. I'm expressing my opinion not a theorem about Canon/Nikon capabilities. To tell you the truth, I never owned a digital Nikon but I not hate it, simply I prefer Canon.

0 upvotes
ottovds
By ottovds (Apr 12, 2012)

seems like an interesting camera to me. Yet a little bit too many bucks to me...

I'm quite more happy with the 1080p at 60 frames than the 4K.
Yet 4K is good to use for for example shooting wide angled landscapes and recomposing to a 1080p or 720p image in post.

the new 8-bit 4:2:2 1080p HDMI output could also mean there will be no lag anymore when switching to life view.

"Unlike the C300, the EOS-1D C does not offer zebra striping or peaking focus aids, which the company sees as being more important in single-person operated documentary settings, rather than the rig-and-crew situations it expects the 1D C to be used in"

- I'd still like this camera more than the C300 for documentary work. The photo camera looks are just so great for incognito shooting. Yet I think this zebra thing is just handled well by my smallHD dp4 monitor/EVF

2 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

This camera is colossal, and the "Canon recommended" cinema lenses (err...) are even more colossal (see pix above). Especially the 12 kilogram zoom. No chance of shooting cinema verite style with a 1D C setup, I fear.

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Just Ed
By Just Ed (Apr 12, 2012)

4k video will be the desired resolution for future video. It only makes sense that Canon included this feature into a high end DSLR. Mind you, I am not sure this is the camera to buy if you are producing video, but it is an extra and appealing feature.

btw, yea 4k tv's are on the way....

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (Apr 12, 2012)

Let hope it drops in price like the C300 did because of the competition. If it is $5000 there is a slim chance that I might be interested in paying but I anticipate 6 months from now we will see a number of 4k video cameras with similar features that are considerably cheaper.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

The JVC 4K camcorder is already out and available, B&H has it in stock for under $5,000. Much smaller sensor than the 1D C's, but the JVC 4K-cam comes with a 10x servo zoom. As always, you would be paying double for the name here with Canon.... or Nikon.

0 upvotes
NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Apr 12, 2012)

no 25P in 4k? If true, that limits 4K use in PAL countries (all of Europe, Asia, Russia), etc.

$15,000 .... F3 costs that much.

No XLR. NO HD-SDI. NO ND filtesr. No Articulating screen (isn't this supposed to be optimized for video?) OVF (which is useless for video).

I don't see how this camera is going to be successful. It's not 2008 when there was only 5d Mark II with large sensor. The competition is way stiffer now, and the camera is listed at $15,000 !

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dark goob
By dark goob (Apr 12, 2012)

Why are you putting a mirror into a cinema camera, Canon?

Is there really ANYONE who will buy this to ever shoot stills? Really? WHY? WHO?

They just really don't wanna design a new camera body, and laugh as they sell mirrors, prisms, shutters, and phase-AF units to people who literally NEVER EVER use them... EVER!! What a rip-off scam!

I am guessing rich corporations are the only people stupid enough to throw away their money on this. Further showing the class divide between the corps who rule over all, and the powerless minions eeking out pathetic "lives."

6 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

This Canon 1D C is your typical digital camera for brain and heart surgeons and anesthesiologists, folks. All others need not apply, and "professionals" -- kindly stay away.... far away.

0 upvotes
photo nuts
By photo nuts (Apr 13, 2012)

It's for video-journalists like Dan Chung. Sony and Nikon fanboys need not consider.

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 13, 2012)

Dan Chung will get his for nothing, but who amongst us will be paying for real $15,000 or even $13,000 for this presumably failed Canon experiment?

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (Apr 12, 2012)

Owners will have to take a operating certification course. Simplify. Simplify. Seriously, an impressive effort by Canon matching Nikon's recent announcements.

1 upvote
plasnu
By plasnu (Apr 12, 2012)

I don't think this is the camera people were waiting for. Too expensive and 4K feature is somewhat meaningless.

4 upvotes
645D
By 645D (Apr 12, 2012)

If Canon put 4K on a 5D3 and sell it for $4K, it will hot like D800.

2 upvotes
RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 13, 2012)

Why sell a product that is of no use to consumers at a consumer price in a consumer product? There are no 4k computer or TV screens so why would a consumer buy a 4k video dSLR for $500 more than the 5D3? This is a professional video camera for TV, movie, and commercial production.

1 upvote
Phil
By Phil (Apr 12, 2012)

Amazed by the low price, the 4K RED ONE camera system is starts at $17,500.00, and Caon is targeting $4K below them. I expect this is the pay off for shooting that season finally of HOUSE with the 5DMKII.

Personally the 1DX might be a better fit for me.

0 upvotes
Pasadena Perspective
By Pasadena Perspective (Apr 12, 2012)

In many ways, this is more of a competitor to the RED Scarlet, which cheaper than either of the other models mentioned (depending on the package, typically $1,000 less than the Cinema 1D).

The Sony FS700 has been announced with an expected street below $10,000 but that will require an external recorder for 4K and the pricing has not yet been determined.

The competition looks set to be fierce.

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NorthwestF
By NorthwestF (Apr 12, 2012)

How is this low cost? It's 10,000 euros. FS700 is around $8000, and by the time 1D-C is in the market for sale (could be 6 months from now), FS700 probably will have the 4K firmware upgrade to it.

Besides, 4K is very limited use right now. 1D-C is pretty expensive for a 1080p camera and offers much less than the lower priced camcorders.

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Pasadena Perspective
By Pasadena Perspective (Apr 12, 2012)

I don't know about "low-cost" but it is in the realm of competitive. The 1080P market is much more hotly contested than the 4K market at this point.

1 upvote
Pasadena Perspective
By Pasadena Perspective (Apr 12, 2012)

According to the press release on Canon's site, some of this information is inaccurate.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon?type=news&maxRowCount=10&fileURL=selected&dojo.preventCache=1334239879592&pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e02480533ee2#

Most notably, 4:2:2 is only available for 4K, not for Full HD (which is only 4:2:0). In other words, the C300 can do 4:2:2 in Full HD but this one can only do 4:2:0 like the current lower cost DSLRs from Canon.

Please confirm which of the two press releases is accurate and update if necessary. I am looking forward to seeing the high ISO performance on this one.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 12, 2012)

They don't contradict one another, so far as I can tell. Both appear to suggest:

4K 4:2:2 recording 1080 4:2:0 recording 1080 4:2:2 Raw output over HDMI

2 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

This camera will probably not even happen. At least not in this configuration and mystery-specs. Canon is the world leader in nonsensical camera announcements by now, bar none others.

0 upvotes
Pasadena Perspective
By Pasadena Perspective (Apr 12, 2012)

Thanks R Butler for quickly addressing that. I did not read carefully enough: I got caught up in how in-camera recording was limited to 4:2:0 for 1080 and missed the 1080 HDMI output you had already mentioned.

I still think that the ability to do it in camera is a rather odd omission, but you definitely did not make a mistake. :)

0 upvotes
racketman
By racketman (Apr 12, 2012)

how many people saw a new pro looking Canon camera and thought this must be the 36Mp answer to Nikon?

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Kissel
By Kissel (Apr 12, 2012)

Though I agree with you, right now it's Nikon that's gotta come up with something to answer to 1Dc ;)

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sandy b
By sandy b (Apr 12, 2012)

I doubt they will try, this is pretty specialized, and well out of most peoples budget, and will not drive big sales numbers. Very cool looking, thats for sure.

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FTW
By FTW (Apr 12, 2012)

try to sell them for 3500$ including the lens and you will sell a million in just a few month. Yes, I know it is just a few bucks higher than production costs, but 1 million x 350$ profit is better than 3000 x 7000$, and, you make a pub with that. Many will look at that on exhibitions, few will buy it, Next year, the 2000$ camera for consumers will integrate the same features anyway, so let's wait.After all, what the hell does a photographer needs a video camera for.

2 upvotes
Tape5
By Tape5 (Apr 12, 2012)

I will wait for a 25,858,520,620 K Canon.

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ajamess
By ajamess (Apr 12, 2012)

Man, you guys sure like to complain about new products. "Oh man, Chevy released a new car! It doesn't have an in-built coffee grinder? What were they thinking?!"

I will never buy one of these, but it's cool that it exists for those who need one. It's okay to be excited about new technology, folks, even if it's from a company that you don't personally prefer.

7 upvotes
facedodge
By facedodge (Apr 12, 2012)

Is this camera not right for you?

If it's too expensive, try one of these that Canon currently offers brand new...
T3i
60D
7D
5D2
5D3
1D4
1Dx

Is it not enough for you pro video guys? Try the EOS C300 or wait for the rumored EOS C100 and EOS C500.

Still no good... There is Sony, RED, Nikon, Canon XH A1S....

You have options people. Quit complaining.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 12, 2012)

C500 isn't rumoured. Its development is announced in the news story next to this one.

1 upvote
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon had moved on to become their own worse caricature, it seems. After the totally negative reception allocated to that weird EOS C300 of theirs, now they are "announcing" that they are "developing" another camera?

Quick, Canon, pls announce to us the next time you go to the potty. We need to know this, Canon! :-))

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gillamoto
By gillamoto (Apr 12, 2012)

while I'm okay with every news about video/cinematography announced here, I will suggest dpreview to change it's name to dcreview (digital camera review) or direview (digital imaging review). serioulsy.. there no boundaries now between photography and cinematography in terms of equipment.

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Octane
By Octane (Apr 12, 2012)

Look at the credits of any major movie. Look for the person called DoP/DP. Yes the person shooting a movie is called 'director of photography'. So I would say DPReview is still OK :)

1 upvote
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon gave up to improve its still camera to make progresse in video still cameras. But, at that prices, only few consumers can buy.

3 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Apr 12, 2012)

Let's face it.

All of us want one.

None of us will buy one.

6 upvotes
Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

Are you sure?
Companies will buy it if they need it.
Individuals... very expensive for most people, BUT still a lot of people can afford to buy one.

1 upvote
Felipe Rodríguez
By Felipe Rodríguez (Apr 12, 2012)

I don't need nor want such a thing. Video is rather secondary for me...

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Ilkka Nissilä
By Ilkka Nissilä (Apr 12, 2012)

Right, but if you need a specific features, such as to shoot 8MP stills at 24fps, you can rent one for the specific shoot. Buying is not necessary. Also, if you are used to the still camera interface and also do video, and want to take advantage of the cinema EOS lenses you can rent this, or the C500, whichever easier for you to work with. These will be probably manufactured in a few hundred copies, not tens of thousands like more still oriented still cameras. But Canon is evolving the concept of the hybrid camera from multiple angles which is great. They do not care if it makes a profit now, but whether it places Canon on the map for the future.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Latest Canon miracle-cams:

Canon EOS C300 = so weird and under-spec'd, Canon can't hardly give them away at $16,000 a pop.

Canon XF-series 1/3-inch sensor, fixed-lens camcorders = well, let's just say they are "not particularly popular."

5D Mark III = "where is the beef?"

Canon 1D X = your typical "invisible-cam."

1D C = fill in your own text. And start saving up your 15,000 big ones for one.

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Nate21
By Nate21 (Apr 12, 2012)

While still learning about 4k technology have companies began 4k switch including broadcast and have 4k enable tvs started mass production? I understand there will be early adopters and professional requirements. I guess my question is what is the need for a special camera like this?

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

This camera not only set a new standard for Canon, but also set new benchmark for Nikon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax.... to follow.
Good for the whole digital camera industry.
Canon, good job!

1 upvote
DarkShift
By DarkShift (Apr 12, 2012)

Still waiting serious update for stills photography. After 3 1/2 years wait we gained 1 MP and maybe 1/3 stop more dynamic range. Great progress Canon ;)

I hope my D800 arrives soon...too bad the queue seems to be from Japan to Venus. When Canon finally puts out their high MP camera, it will propably have even worse shadow noise at base ISO than 5D mkIII and higher price tag.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

Different people have different needs.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Apr 12, 2012)

Should I read that from now on Canon is mainly for video people, and Nikon for good old photographers?

Except that you need 4K Canon camera to get sharper video output compared to Panasonic MFT video...oh well.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Apr 12, 2012)

And my last comment was inspired after seeing this test:

http://www.eoshd.com/content/7722/5d-mark-iii-vs-gh2-vs-nex-7

Very interesting to soo how OM-D would compare in sharpness. With the new IBIS it will be very good for hand held video anyway.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 13, 2012)

Technologies are changing, from now on, 4K is just a basic standard for the consumer product. What we are looking for is the introduction of a 8K camera in the near future.

1080p will be fadeout in the next few years. Just like a few years before when we were still watching VCD and DVD.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Apr 12, 2012)

1D C
FF 4k-24p(APS-H crop) & 1080p-60p/50p (FF or APS-C crop) Log Gamma-Curve Cine 17.9/18.1 Mp (dual-grip) 12/14fps hi-cont...

1DX capable images (is M.E./HDR still included?)

ahhh... finally... 4k (FF Cinematographic capable) video... arrives (for more than just big studios)

:D

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pacogwapo
By pacogwapo (Apr 12, 2012)

They haven't delivered the 1DX yet which was announced 6 months ago...

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 12, 2012)

In fairness, Canon originally said it will be ready in March, so June is only a three month delay on the original schedule.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

June 2013, you mean? ;-)

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Liviu Namolovan
By Liviu Namolovan (Apr 12, 2012)

micahmedia wrote: "Excuse me, I'm a stills photographer, and this product isn't aimed at me. Every product should be aimed at me. I'm the most important thing in the world, and unless you recognize that, I'm going to whine every chance I get, on every photography forum on the internet."
I do not like this flood of video-products subjects on a photography site.
STILLS IS NOT VIDEO.And sadly, this is only the begining...The rise of the video imbecility confiscating still photography gear and forums.
The good part is that this abnormal trend will, eventually, go to an end.
Please do not get this wrong! I'm 100% ok to have video gear for the video fans. But I felt somehow betrayed by this trend to promote video in detriment of still photography- AND ALL THIS NONSENSE IN A STILL CAMERA!!!
Ken Rockwell is calling the fans of this mercantile-greedy trend "VIDIOTS".I'm wandering: how can someone do video and stills with the same camera at the same time at a wedding ceremony for instance?!

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Apr 12, 2012)

This is more or less the same thing that people said about live view.

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StephenSPhotog
By StephenSPhotog (Apr 12, 2012)

Are you aware that you quoted Ken Rockwell? Just making sure.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Nobody is pointing a gun at your head to buy it. A bow and arrow? Maybe. But not a gun, no sir.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

The price is reasonable and make sense.
No 4K is cheap now.
We cannot expect a 4K camera as cheap as a 1080p camera.
4K will be cheap when 8K is available.

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thomas2279f
By thomas2279f (Apr 12, 2012)

Agree with Treepop that the 1D-X should have included the 1D-C specs another £3k on top for a 1D-C and how about storing this 4k Video what capacity cards do we need ?

Anyway nice looking camera....

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

It looks dorky. Even the butt-ugliest video camcorders and digital film cameras of today look some 10x better than one of these square DSLR bodies.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Re. color depth: low-end 8-bit only. You may have the higher resolution, but it is combined with the lower color information.

"The company says the camera has been developed in discussions with Hollywood and television broadcasters, to ensure it has the features they need."

Wow, that takes guts. Even after the worldwide ridicule of their grand plan to take over Hollywood by storm with the EOS C300, Canon is still harboring illusions of grandeur to take Tinseltown by storm.

"Canon says it doesn't expect 4K to be a practical concern for many individuals..."

Now, that makes sense. Announce a 4K DSLR -- when you know this is of no practical concern for most people. Brilliant.

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bronxbombers
By bronxbombers (Apr 13, 2012)

More brilliant is leaving out basics such as zebras and focus peaking because it will MOSTLY be used by rig crews and not single shooters. But what about when it IS? it costs nothing to put that in I mean even hackers put zebra strips into 5D2!

And even MORE brilliant is then where the heck are the zebra strips, focus peaking and 1.6x 1920x1080 crop mode video zoom that they jsut admitted are needed for single shooters which they just admitted would be the 5D3 market often?!?

Why is Canon run by marketing robots who have never used a camera in their life and just randomly take things out so they can brag in meetings about internal marketing segmentation.

Stop with the petty cripplings, give us the little extras and maybe you'll rule the world and have the bloggers singing praise instead of whining and griping?

Saving a penny and losing the dollar is Canon marketing doing. says Yoda apparently.

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BobYIL
By BobYIL (Apr 12, 2012)

This is the end of the "Decisive Moment" and the beginning of the "Decisive Minute" for many professionals. A lot of PJs, sports photographers, etc will just pick out the stills out of the 4K videos. Just point your lens toward the "event" and record video.
And yes, I find it quite a convenience if not also innovation. HD was the hit just a couple of years ago , a couple of years from now 8K-60fps will be the standard and each and every frame will deliver the IQ with the timing PJs could hardly achieve otherwise.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Not bloody likely, is it now?

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Apr 12, 2012)

You might be onto something there.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (Apr 12, 2012)

Yup thats the way it will be.

I've been to a seminar with Vincent Laforet and he told us the same. Showing stills from a 5K RED video. Those stills looked perfect (5K video is 15 Megapixels).

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Petka
By Petka (Apr 12, 2012)

4K video needs to be somewhat compressed and shot with less bit depth than stills due to bandwidth restrictions. For that reason the video quality is not the same as stills. 4K 4.2.2 video has only 25% of the color information a 4K JPEG has, and that is before the real video compression. So we still need to wait another 5 years for a serious stills from video solution.

Another thing is that as a sports photographer am I willing to watch the game again to reshoot it (pick the best frames), of just shoot the old way with a reasonable number of frames from which I can pick out the good ones quite fast? In the old times I might have returned from a game with 2 rolls of pushed Tri-X, now there might be a thousand shots to sift through. Then I just picked the correctly focused ones (25%), then the best content, leaving maybe 5 usable frames. Now almost every frame is sharp and there are just too many usable shots: stressful agonizing how to pick out the best 5...

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treepop
By treepop (Apr 12, 2012)

It seems like Canon is getting a bit too segmented. I dunno. it seems like these features should have been included in the $7,000.00 1D X. I mean $7000! seriously!? No. They need $15,000.00 for these features....that's nutso expensive.

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bronxbombers
By bronxbombers (Apr 13, 2012)

Seriosuly just have made the 5D3 sharp or at least with a sharp 1.6x crop 1920x1080 and given the basics of zebra strips and focus peaking (which they just admitted ARE needing in on man cams which just admitted the 5D3 probably would be a lot) and make your killing. This marketing segmentation is going to save them a penny but quickly ruin them.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Anybody half-way serious about shooting a project in 4K will not be doing it with such a typical still photography form factor camera as what this latest "Canon Announcement-Cam" appears to be.

"The camera, which shares the majority of its specifications with the still-awaited EOS 1D X."

Come on, Cannon. Quickly, make three more camera announcements this week, okay? We need more Canon camera announcements, we really need them, you know. The more, the better.

"Output it uncompressed over its HDMI connector."

Yeah, right. That is what Nikon has also said (D800, D4). But their cameras could not do it as of yet, so why would Canon's be able to?

"A smaller, APS-C-like Super 35mm sub-frame that allows the use of Canon's EF Cinema Zoom lenses."

I see. Since these new Canon EF cinema zooms and primes are mighty slow sellers indeed, Canon had hit upon the swell idea that maybe after this strategic announcement, folks will line up for these far-out "cinema" lenses of theirs?

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Octane
By Octane (Apr 12, 2012)

The Super35 format is not a random idea. There are a large amount of these lenses available and used in the movie industry. This camera clearly aims at professional movie producers so offering a format that allows them to use their lineup of lenses makes a lot of sense.

But I agree in general, the SLR design makes no sense for a movie production. It's actually counter productive when it comes to integrating it.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Before we talk about Super 35, let's talk about aspect ratios. In film and digital film, there are basically two: 1.85:1 and 2.39:1 or close to it. Professional Super 35 cameras record in 1.85:1 mostly, or Scope using cropping, very rarely now anamorphic lenses on-camera. No digital cinemas use anamorphic lenses on their projectors, either.

A 4K camera's sensor physical size should not be any larger than a Super 35 digital sensor size -- in fact if it is, you are going to have tons of problems.

Finally, Canon's own EOS C300 is a 16:9 camera, so it is neither 1.85:1 nor Scope. Canon's lofty Hollywood dreams have no basis in reality, it seems.

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NDT0001
By NDT0001 (Apr 12, 2012)

This market is still growing and settling. Canon dont have a crystal ball, and i think they are releasing different cameras to this market and see what uptakes in the long term. Just like Canon had no idea they would kick start a whole new sub industry when they released the incredible 5dmk2 , they really dont know what will be a stayer. But the great thing is, we all have quite a lot of choice now, and its getting really easy to get exactly the camera that suits your needs and budget.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 13, 2012)

Canon is a rudderless boat and has no real clue, you mean?

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jenbenn
By jenbenn (Apr 12, 2012)

Hm, I wonder whether it might be more cost efficient to buy a 1DX and wait for some third party firmware (magic latern?) to enable 4K recoring and most of the other features. The 1dx and 1Dc look pretty much identical form a hardware point of view. The claimed tweaks in the 1DC ( better cooling) are probably also applied to the 1dx for better effciency in production ( I bet the delay in the 1dx is due to the fact that it shares all electronics with the 1Dc and the 1DC necessitated some design changes)

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treepop
By treepop (Apr 12, 2012)

What a beast!

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

A great camera that we have been waiting for a long time.
4K is what we need and what we like to have in a DSLR.
If Canon can further enhance the specification to 4:4:4 then it will be perfect.
DPR, when can we expect to see the full review of this camera?
A real exciting news in Year 2012!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

This camera promises to solve a problem that does not even exist.

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Apr 12, 2012)

Is this why Dan Chung said there is no future in photojournalism?

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Apr 12, 2012)

4K should of been available on the 5DMkIII at launch, it's more appropriate on a DSLR of that type and would of been a killer feature that offset some of the disappointent amongst enthusiasts over that camera's spec and price point.

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treepop
By treepop (Apr 12, 2012)

Then how would they entice people to buy this $15,000.00 behemoth?

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Apr 12, 2012)

Both could co-exist I think and it's only a matter of time before 4K becomes as common place on DSLR's as 1080p is today.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

"4K for $4,000" may be doable in volume, but this camera is just as destined to fail as Canon's other high-hopes recent release, the $16,000 EOS C300 dud.

"The EOS-1D C does not offer zebra striping or peaking focus aids, which the company sees as being more important in single-person operated documentary settings, rather than the rig-and-crew situations it expects the 1D C to be used in."

If a real-life producer would show up on a real film/TV set with this DSLR and hire a professional camera crew to run it, as apparently Canon fantasizes, the crew and cast would be laughing at him/her from Tinseltown to Timbaktu. Canon had gone down the deep end with this one.

Re. the HDMI only output -- no professional crew I know would use that, particularly the mini-HDMI variant of it that this Canon comes with, since you cannot even lock the male jacks into the female ports. Nor will HDMI let you pass through SMPTE timecode, something that professionals got to like to use over the decades.

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Alfonso Bresciani
By Alfonso Bresciani (Apr 13, 2012)

at 24 fps is 8 mpix!

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audijam
By audijam (Apr 12, 2012)

so many Nikon fanboys here i wonder why...

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ArchiDeos
By ArchiDeos (Apr 15, 2012)

You nailed it bro..peace..

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (Apr 12, 2012)

4k... For how many minutes?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Probably for 4. :-))

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kapanak
By kapanak (Apr 12, 2012)

This is a primarily video oriented product. I am sure Canon pays their little extra taxes to Europe to allow more than 30 minutes recording =P ... Then again, you have as long as your two CF cards allow you to record ... unless you are grabbing off the HDMI to an external recorder ...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

There is that great new SanDisk CF card for $1,500, so get just two, and you are already at $3,000 + the camera + the accessories + the lenses. Twenty-five to thirty thousand dollars, anyone?

This 1D C here is certainly the "Millionaires' Guide to 4K Videography" stock camera, folks.

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Octane
By Octane (Apr 12, 2012)

Interesting specs, but I'm a little confused at the customer they are going for. Professional movie production don't particularly appreciate a camera body that is designed as still SLR camera. Professional movie cameras are designed and built to match their needs which is quite different.

The great success of SLR camera for video productions (in the past three years) was because these SLRs were inexpensive, delivered good video quality and allowed you to use your existing lenses. So that was a win situation. But this camera is priced out of reach for all those who jumped on the SLR video trend because of the low price.

Currently the only widely available 4K displays are projectors in movie theaters which is only available for large movie productions/distributions.

I'm really not sure what customer base they are aiming for with this camera.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Apr 12, 2012)

I was thinking the exact same thing.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Surgeons and anesthesiologists also need digital cameras, you know.

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Photato
By Photato (Apr 12, 2012)

Yes, exactly my thoughts.
I wonder if Canon really knows what they are doing because they were *surprised* at how successful the first Video Capable DSLR were. I don't see the market for 4K video out of the big production houses or very specific applications. 4K must be a pain to edit and archive. Overkill, even if the price was lower.

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SHood
By SHood (Apr 12, 2012)

25p is only supported in 1080p (not 4k).

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Excuse me, I'm a stills photographer, and this product isn't aimed at me. Every product should be aimed at me. I'm the most important thing in the world, and unless you recognize that, I'm going to whine every chance I get, on every photography forum on the internet. Even if you do recognize that, I'm going to whine every chance I get. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!! I can't take a picture to save my life and only new gear from brand X will save me! It's Canikolymfujaxiconic fault my pictures suck.I want Canon to make a 40mp Leica mount camera with AF. But it has to take medium format film too. And sheet film. And AF with my Phoenix lenses. And have three tripod sockets. And I won't buy it if it does video. And I won't buy it if it's too expensive, since niche small production run products are necessarily cheap. And it has to be made in Japan, with German branded glass (it's ok if it's made in Thailand, as long as it's a German brand). And it can't have a Bayer pattern sensor.

Amen.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Apr 12, 2012)

I think your rant, obvious sarcasm aside, actually applies to many videographers. That is, many of you think an SLR should be prioritized for your video needs when an SLR has always been about photographs for DECADES. What you don't get is that we don't bemoan what you like to do, we bemoan videographers wanting the still-imaging tools we like to use being compromised for your pursuits, when there are tools for your needs and we have no problem with that. There is always the Canon Cinema EOS C500, after all, as well as many others. If it costs more--tough. Regardless, I don't complain about that tool (probably) not having good still-imaging capabilities.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

This camera is definitely not for you.
But this camera is for the whole world and lot of people in this world are waiting for this camera.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

The main problem with the Canon EOS-1D C probably is that it is not for anybody in particular.

No real, self-respecting, professional still photographer would want it, especially at the preposterous price being rumored.

And since it is definitely NOT a dedicated video camcorder or digital film camera with camcorder/D-film camera form factor and features, no pro crews will line-up for one, either.

Canon should have already learned something useful from their latest EOS C300 "EOS Cinema" camera disaster. But apparently, they had not.

They are trying to peddle-off their newfangled, extremely priced "EOS Cinema" zooms and primes to someone, so they probably figured what better way than to announce another wonder-cam.

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Apr 12, 2012)

There are so many market segments.

If a company only can serve the customers of a particular market segment, the CEO of that company should be fired.

I trust Canon's CEO is able to serve different kinds of customers in different market segments.

In this world, there are so many customers other than those professional still photographer.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Apr 12, 2012)

"In this world, there are so many customers other than....professional still photographer[s]."

In the d-SLR realm, who cares? d-SLRs have always been about high-caliber still photography, they should be designed around that and SCREW anything else, NO MATTER what it costs the company in lost sales because the masses are ticked. Let 'em be ticked.

LRH

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

...so what features are you looking for in a 35mm stills cam that aren't available today in some form?

Want something that does action at a wide range of ISOs and resolution big enough for excellent 20x30 prints? 1Dx and D4.

Want high resolution? D800, or if you can't bear to sell your Canon glass, the 5DIII isn't really that far behind from a practical standpoint. Both of these do high ISOs better than anybody really needs, and certainly better than they can AF. In fact, they can AF in light you can't see to focus manually in.

High resolution and extremely compact? Nex 7

More compact with a good selection of excellent fast primes? M4/3

Compact like a spy cam? Pentax Q. Don't forget CCTV lenses.

Ultimate for architecture? Canon and their shift lenses, or maybe even a Nex 7 with a shift adapter (24mp with shifts? OH yeah!)

Weddings? Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax, Oly--all of this is better than anything available for 35mm 15 years ago.

Medium format is up to 80MP. LF = Betterlight

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Today the limit is YOU, not the gear. Quit'cher bitchin and just enjoy the amazing gear coming as the oneupsmanship continues.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (Apr 12, 2012)

I still don't get this 4K thing. No TV sets yet, and likely downresing to 2K will lose the added definition. Movie makers, maybe, but I can't say anything about that.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Movie makers indeed.

This is targeted at content producers who are stuck on the Hollywood model: big budget, sell the content on "un-pirateable" disks, hardware solutions to permanent software problems. They'll want to sell it at 4k on Blue-X-Ray Disk, which one be cracked until after the first few features have been re-released on it.

For instance Peter Jackson's Silmarillion will show at 4k in theatres, but initially sell on Blu-ray for home watching, then after everybody owns it they'll try to sell it to the same folks again on a 4k format.

Rather than content, this allows Hollywood to try to stick to their old distribution model, which only continues to get more broken as the studios die.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Apr 12, 2012)

Didn't you Nikon users ask a similar question about 21 MP FF sensors when it was first launched (way before the D3X was announced)? :)

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (Apr 12, 2012)

Peter Jackson's filming The Silmarillion too! I thought he was still working on The Hobbit, interesting, after reading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, I started with The Silmarillion, but the language used in it was like the Bible - very hard to follow so I stopped! The movie would make good compensation for that! Looking forward to it.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Only in Canon's slightly twisted mind would any serious film/video crew be using any DLSR on a real set. It's just not going to happen. There are a few other 4K cameras out there already that do this job much, much better (Sony F65, Vision Research Phantom, etc). This 1D C is more for the photojournalist, maybe some of them will fall for it, I don't know.

The 4K footage out of this thing will be low color fidelity 8-bit, anyhow, so no professional digital videographer will touch it, especially considering that we have had 10-bit color fidelity digital video since the late 1980s (Sony D1, D2, Digital Betacam).

Canon should be spending their time coming out with an EOS C300 replacement instead, I would think.

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kapanak
By kapanak (Apr 12, 2012)

What you fail to realize is that many broadcasting companies and studios were shooting 720p HD and 1080p HD long before 1080p TV panels became mainstream. It is about preparing for the inevitable future.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Apr 12, 2012)

Two words: Future proof. The key phrase in "No TV sets yet" is "yet".

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Future proof = a load of horse patootie. No such beast exists, nor ever will.

Planning ahead with foresight is one thing, but future proof is a big myth invented by salesmen.

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nathantw
By nathantw (Apr 12, 2012)

NICE! Too bad there aren't any televisions that will display the 4k.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 12, 2012)

And the old 320x240 TVs and VHS tapes couldn't show all the resolution of projected film, but that doesn't mean you dumb down the theater experience to match home viewing capabilities.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

For those of you who don't get it, here's my take: if you have a budget, a crew tasked with getting stills AND film can take a gang of these (perhaps even rented?) and have gear that covers both, and have a reduced learning curve. It's difficult shooting stills bouncing between two similar stills bodies, but imagine the difficulty bouncing between different two stills bodies and three video bodies. A crew could have five or more of these and everything is in the same place and works the same on every camera. All the lenses and batteries and accessories are all the same for every body.

There are plenty of reasons for this camera to exist.

Is it niche? Oh hell yeah. But is there a market for this? You bet your bippy!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

What?

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (Apr 12, 2012)

Let's get our priorities right:

First of all, please give us a GLOBAL SHUTTER.
Then please stop LINE SKIPPING.
Then please give us 1080@240/250p.
Then perhaps forget this 16:9 trash and give us 1.85 and 2.40 please!
Then and only then, would I freaking pay attention to 4K whatever...

Anyway, who are they fooling?
A frame grab from the 5D3 is not even better than a poor web jpeg...

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richg101
By richg101 (Apr 12, 2012)

what have you been smoking?

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (Apr 12, 2012)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

See: Phantom HD

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StopMoKid
By StopMoKid (Apr 12, 2012)

To the people who don't understand why 4K resolution is important... You can count the number of cameras out there that can produce a 4K video on your hands. They are still a relatively new thing and most of those sensors are only as big or smaller than super35 format (with others only capable of 2k). Canon is over the 4k on the size of APS-H which means for those who want that shallow depth of field look, Canon is now the way to go AND has options to crop down to super35 format for those more comfortable with standard film depth.

For the die hard photography fans who want new options in the stills department... Get over it. Seriously. You have more than enough options and quality in digital still cameras then you could have hope for 10, 5, or even 2 years ago. Digital Video that is on par with motion picture film is a new frontier for professionals so obviously Canon will be pandering to that until it gets to the point that is affordable in the commercial sector.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

"You can count the number of cameras out there that can produce a 4K video on your hands."

Yeah, and this one likely cannot do proper 4K, either. This newly announced Canon is not a professional digital film camera, nor even a professional camcorder. Instead, like all the other HDSLRs out there, it is yet another video enabled DSLR. Maybe the term ""4KDSLR" might apply?

But even for that, Canon will have to show us just what sort of 4K quality video will a single CompactFlash record these days, he-he-he. Oh how externally recorded will "4k video" look when piped out of a DSLR via a mini-HDMI.

But I tell you this: NOBODY can make the types of glorious announcements that Canon can these days. That had well passed Red on that.

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FastFisher
By FastFisher (Apr 12, 2012)

One day....
1Dx + Magic Lantern = 1Dc

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bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Apr 12, 2012)

the 1Dc sounds like a step down from what magic lantern is offering! lose the focus peeking, zebra stripes, waveform during playback(probably), Magic zoom.

I mean wow canon I can capture with a different log gamma then is displayed on an external monitor? wow to bad I can already do that with the 5dII(has the ability to record in a different picture sytle than presents in liveview)

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 12, 2012)

Any mention of price? It's got to be 10,000 USD at least, priced between the 1DX and the C300. Nice only for dreaming or renting.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Apr 12, 2012)

it´s time the chinese enter the DSLR market and produce cheap copys.
and cheap does not mean bad... i have recently bought some china made strobes and they are great.

if the chinese produce FF cameras that would stir up some
s h i t....

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Naksone
By Naksone (Apr 12, 2012)

$15,000 USD is what I've seen flying around

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Rickard Hansson
By Rickard Hansson (Apr 12, 2012)

It says in the article "The camera will cost around €10,000 (exact price to be confirmed) and will be available from October."

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 12, 2012)

Yes, lets all root for the Chinese to kill more industries with poor labor standards and slave wages.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon probably will have this one built in China, too.

Re. the ridiculous fantasy price that the slightly demented Canon corporate bean counters have come up with... since they can hardly sell the EOS C300 for $16,000, the bean counter brigade figured that they are going to make up for the loss with the $15,000 1D C?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Apr 12, 2012)

If this is supposed to be a cinema and broadcast camera, why does it still have a prism and OVF? Why does it have a grip and controls designed around holding the OVF to your eye, when that viewfinder doesn't work for video capture?

I get they are into video DSLRs and that has been successful, but at a certain level people don't want jack-of-all-trades cameras. Someone buying a camera for shooting a film production isn't generally concerned about fast phase AF and 12fps stills with a big optical finder. And I know they don't care about the portrait orientation grip and controls.

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richg101
By richg101 (Apr 12, 2012)

the profession changed. its not 2010 any more

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

The 1D C offers little to the pro still photographers, and even less for professional filmmakers, and even less than that for television productions. Who is this thing for, really, I wonder?

Yeah, like Hollywood will really want a DSLR that has a non-working optical viewfinder when shooting video, he-he-he-he.

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Andy G
By Andy G (Apr 12, 2012)

You're right - there's virtually no market for this camera (and the C300 market will dry up once the Sony NEX-FS700 comes out).

The management team at Canon are a bunch of idiots.

Huge profits fell into their laps from the unexpected success of the 5D Mark II, but now they are price gouging themselves into irrelevance. Their savior are the professional still photographers buying the 5D Mark III.

Canon is throwing away billions of dollars in potential sales by under specking and over-pricing their latest cameras. Sony will be eating them for lunch.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Right, exactly. The professional A-V re-sellers/dealers just LOVE the Canon "EOS Cinema" C300 because of the high-market. Rental houses also buy them. Who else? I mean, that Canon camera cannot even do autofocus with its very own Canon AF lenses, how ridiculous is that?

The 1D C is for war correspondents or whatnot, but it is not a professional filmmaking or even videography tool. Just three things from the top of my head:

(a) Only 8-bit video.

(b) Only 4:2:0 video in 1080p HD resolution.

(c) Mini-HDMI video output-- instead of pro-class HD-SDI via BNC.

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Sordid
By Sordid (Apr 12, 2012)

What's wrong with Canon lately?

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Lots. But more right than wrong I'd say. The 5dmkiii and the 1Dx are wins. They need a higher res body to compete with the D800, but other than that, Canon has all their bases covered quite well right now. They offer lots of excellent options, and that's not a bad thing. Unless you want a mirrorless camera, they've got it right now.

There's nothing to complain about really. Oh, except the lack of things for the complainers to complain about.

Haters gon hate. Whatevs.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Apr 12, 2012)

Why do you feel anything is wrong? They are targeting one more market than Nikon, is all.

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Christian Sirois
By Christian Sirois (Apr 12, 2012)

"The 5dmkiii and the 1Dx are wins." ??? Last time I checked the 1Dx was nowhere to be found.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 12, 2012)

I guess the argument is that Canon's R&D in video detracts from R&D in improving their sensor technology.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

Canon 1D X = invisible-cam.

Canon ESO C300 = so weird and under-spec'd, Canon can't hardly give them away to anyone at $16,000.

Canon XF-series 1/3-inch sensor, fixed-lens camcorders = well, let's just say "not particularly popular."

5D Mark III = "where is the beef?"

1D C = fill in your own text.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Apr 12, 2012)

5D mk III: The "beef" is improving every aspect of the mk II (perhaps except the weight). But apparently not enough for some mk II users.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 12, 2012)

Francis Carver, do you actually take photos? Do you have a gallery online? All I seem to turn up in a search for you is unmitigated kvetching.

Every time I encounter one of these high volume whiners in the photo forums, who never qualify any of their complaints with anything grounded in the real world, they never seem to produce any real work.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Apr 12, 2012)

No photos (only video), no gallery for public viewing. Why, mica, what does any of that have got to do with the pros and cons of the latest Canon camera announcement, Friend?

"kvetching" -- I like that! And just what is your "real work," mica, if I may ask? Wedding photos? Nice.

Too bad you have zero clue about this new Canon camera, huh?

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Apr 18, 2012)

I've got some stuff online, and I'll be the first to say it's nothing impressive. But something is more than nothing.

The internet is full of wonks with nothing to show which qualifies their outlandish opinions.

If you're going to post endless comments online, you certainly have time to create a vimeo or youtube account and throw something up. Otherwise all you got is hot air blowing cross a keyboard.

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