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Fujifilm promises 'definitive solution' to X10 white orb problem

By dpreview staff on Mar 5, 2012 at 18:45 GMT

Fujifilm has said it will provide a 'definitive solution' to the white orb blooming problem on its X10 enthusiast compact camera. No further details are available at this point but Fujifilm UK, speaking at the Focus 2012 show in Birmingham UK, said that it is aware of customer concerns and that there will be making a full statement on March 12th.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

The news is out there.

You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

The hornets are buzzing.

5 upvotes
max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

You make a very unlikely hornet Gary, more a fly in striped trousers.

2 upvotes
aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

What ban !! he comes back as CrashKills4 . No respect for the forum or its users.

2 upvotes
GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 24, 2012)

Crashkills4 has vanished from the face of DPR. Every post. Every thread he started.

1 upvote
Jim Evidon
By Jim Evidon (Mar 6, 2012)

Most of us do not own the X10. Thanks to DP Review, the fault was spotted early and apparently Fuji is working on it. In the meantime, the Fujifilm trashers on this site who probably have never even held a Fuji product in their hand continue to carp. It seems like a nice package that is best enjoyed during daylight hours. If they get around to fixing the issue, I'll probably be interested. If not, there are other cameras out there and some interesting ones like Canon and Olympus about to go to market. As I see it, Fuji came up with a unique design to avoid anti-alias problems, but created another one with the orbs. In general, the pictures I have seen are outstanding for a backup point and shoot camera.
I hope they solve the orb problem because Fuji always adds something interesting to the market and I'd like to see them continue.

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healer81
By healer81 (Mar 6, 2012)

Most of the time when I use this camera its not an issue with the style of shooting. When it comes to night time or low light conditions I use my 7D... The reason I bought this camera is because I wanted something small with DSLR like features when I travel. Im sure they will fix it eventually. I also think people that most people that complain here do not even have this camera.

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

The x10 is excellent in low light, just quickly switch it to EXR SN or Adv Low Light mode and your away. No other camera below asp-c can deliver as well in these conditions.

2 upvotes
jorepuusa
By jorepuusa (Mar 6, 2012)

Hunter SThompson is not a photographer but a troll that moves around in different sites writing about his angst. This is from his data: photographic gear Hunter SThompson currently uses and / or owns. No gear has been added yet. There are no pictures either and he is known to not poses any camera at all. Just bypass his writings totally. Real Hunter S Thompson was the writer of Hell's Angels: The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gang. This guy in dpreview is just a miserable troll.

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Jostian
By Jostian (Mar 6, 2012)

ah Max, back again... as far as I know the Canon S100 does better in low light, just from the reviews and comparisons, but then again you were the one that says the orb issue is within normal tolerances for the sensor (you agreed with Fuji), do you still agree now, that they (Fuji) have ADMITTED that there is a PROBLEM with the sensor... never mind, I'll go watch the rugby (as you said), you are still an idiot for your personalized attacks on people, even when what they said was TRUE!!! Thanks Fuji...

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Mar 6, 2012)

Orbs were never waiting for us, girl
I ran one step ahead
As we followed in a tripod

Between the parted shutters that were pressed
In love's hot fevered blur
Like a round white pair of balls

Fujifilm park is melting in the dark
All the sweet white orbs flowing down
Someone left a highllight in the rain

I don't think that they can fix it
For it took so long to admit it
And I will never have that sales talk
Again... oh Nooo!

.

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deeohuu
By deeohuu (Mar 6, 2012)

:-) This just paid for the money I lost shipping it back.

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

With or without an Orb fix the Fujifilm X10 is an excellent camera, capable of achieving results previously only possible with a much larger sensor. The dynamic range is incredible, as is the low light capability, the photographic control exemplary, the lens excellent and the build quality premium.

The x10 design and development team really knew their stuff. For $600 an enthusiast can enjoy premium photographic results, the caveat being one has to spend time learning how to quickly configure the x10 sensor for each shot. I have written a guide here with examples: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9311974549/getting-the-best-out-of-the-fujifilm-x10

In truth, fixing the orb issue will make an already excellent camera even better - that's a far cry from the x10 being a faulty product.

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

The thousands of excellent Fujifilm x10 photographic examples posted around the Internet clearly show otherwise, the camera is a joy to own.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Mar 6, 2012)

Max Metz and Nakeddork is the same dork, friends please just ignore him, he get his high and fix when people respond to his troll

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

Max Metz is Digby Dart is Crashkills4, the latest name adopted after he was banned from a forum and decided to ignore forum moderators and continue posting there anyway.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=40759588&q=max&qf=m

5 upvotes
max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

I agree with matt k. The x10 is a dynamo in a small package, in good hands nothing below asp-c will match it in dynamic range and low light. It represents a quantum leap in quality and capability.

3 upvotes
nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

It is a revolutionary camera in a lot of ways.

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Jostian
By Jostian (Mar 6, 2012)

How big a dork are you, spewing your rubbish, just about EVERY micro 4/3's cam is better than the X10 i.t.o IQ especially at higher ISO's, oh and just about every other camera that doesn't produce orbs... give it a break!!!

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

Which other micro 4/3 has a flash sync of 1/4000 and utilizes various methods of pixel binning to achieve different results?

The x10 is amazing for what it is. If you can't see that the camera is simply out of your league.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 7, 2012)

Get dressed DORK !!

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

Anyone who says the orbs are not a problem for them know very little about photography or take extremely DULL photos or BOTH

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matt k
By matt k (Mar 6, 2012)

aeneon
40 years as a photographer. 25 years full time professonal photographer and educator. I know quite a bit about photography and I don't believe I take dull photographs. I use the Fuji X10 a great deal and am a great admirer of its IQ. The orbs have very rarely popped up in my work. You have made a very stupid, emotive statement.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

I'm willing to post picture against picture against your x10 shots...

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

A bit cruel aeneon ! - but to some I say about your words "if the cap fits wear it ! "

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

That's hollow emotionally charged claim, the x10 takes beautiful photographs when used properly. A number have challenged the critics to put forward images from other cameras to match the x10 with nothing forthcoming even approaching the x10 image quality.

2 upvotes
chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (Mar 6, 2012)

It could be a problem for some people, while others can ignore the issue. For example, people who photograph cities at night will probably really be bothered by orbs (because there are plenty of high intensity point sources).

Portrait photographers and daytime landscape people on the other hand probably won't be too annoyed.

1 upvote
aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

My point above was meant as a "DIG" to all those Fuji suckups and shillers who claim anyone who gets orbs doesnt know how to use a camera . THAT is far more hurtful than my statement above. Get over it

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

Max and Dork are two of the biggest offenders of saying " Those who get orbs suck at photography" and look who came out shaking their rattles when i reversed the statement. lol.. got to love it.

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Mar 6, 2012)

"That's hollow emotionally charged claim, the x10 takes beautiful photographs when used properly."

yeah, unless there are any sort of light sources in your photograph. I mean who takes pictures with specular highlights in the shot? Or lights? God I just realized what is wrong with my photography! It has lights in the background. Wow. I guess I need to go back to school and learn how to shoot "properly" right?

I hope fuji is paying you well........

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

At the point when even Fuji acknowledge the issues, and say they will have a "DEFINITIVE" solution, you have to wonder why some people are such devoted "fans" they continue to suggest it should not be mentioned or discussed.

If we had all listened to them, there would be no fix in the works even now .

So I guess at this point it comes down to their personal pride and their refusal to admit they might be wrong even when Fuji admits it.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

The orbs is a trivial problem that's been blown completely out of proportion. It hasn't effected how I shoot one bit.

The truth of the matter is I don't even think most of the people complaining about it own it.

Do you?

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

Your consistent score of 150-200 posts all saying the same thing would seem to be more than discussing or mentioning the orb issue Gary. You often suggest a canon alternative.

The x10 is a brilliant camera setting a new standard.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

Yes I do own it dork. I wish I did not. And if they offer a full refund, I won't.

Oh, and the much-banned Max, I suggest almost ANY other camera as an alternative.

The fact is that without posts from me and others on the orbs there would be NO fix, although I am glad to see the news has now spread all over the net and even on Amazon. No one is forcing either of you to get your camera fixed. But not one person should buy this POS without being informed about orbs.

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max metz
By max metz (Mar 6, 2012)

You can log in using as many user names as you like Gary, this x10 orb issue has become an obsession with you. The x10 is a beautiful photographic tool and no amount of emotional rhetoric will change that.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

Max/Crash/Digby there's only one person here logging in under different names and having the idiocy to not only boast about it but to deliver a huge F U to the DPReview forum managers.

And it is not me.

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

The X10 sure set a new standard max , but probably not the one you're thinking of.

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DjarumBlack
By DjarumBlack (Mar 7, 2012)

So how come Olympus didn't recall the E-PL2? I have sensor flare all the time....I guess more fuji fans than Olympus fans?

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 24, 2012)

.... because Fuji orbs are NOT just sensor flare.

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sroute
By sroute (Mar 6, 2012)

Is the definitive solution a lens cap?

Just kidding.

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Digitall
By Digitall (Mar 6, 2012)

No. They will recall all Fuji X10 and remove all sensors.

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pcworth
By pcworth (Mar 6, 2012)

A roll of velvia for each user

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

No they will replace the sensor !!

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Danielepaolo
By Danielepaolo (Mar 6, 2012)

It's a blind fold.

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Jmmg
By Jmmg (Mar 6, 2012)

No, is a 2 weeks of great photography insightful vacation opportunity with the famous Nakeddork at any location you choose!

So you can finally, truly learn from the BEST photographer mankind ever known...NAKEDDORK aka the best X10 user that the universe has for all of us...

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Realfi
By Realfi (Mar 6, 2012)

I have held off purchasing an X10 while waiting for the review here. Basically I was trying to determine if, even with the orbs issue the X10 was on balance still a camera worth owning.

If Fuji can fix the problem obviously that's a win/win but things have gone on long enough that I'd still like to see a review in the meantime with an update if/when the problem fix comes along.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

After owning this camera and seeing the banter here I would never trust a dpreview forum. I don't even think most of trolls here are even photographers, let alone own the camera.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

My opinion of my actual experiences with this camera with regards to my photographic experience and willingness to share pictures?

Yes!

I actually use the x10 to take pictures. I don't even think most people complaining about it here ever picked one up...because these forums explination certainly isn't speaking of the same camera..

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

Usual twaddle from the dork

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

There's something twisted when complaints about a recognised camera fault are met with personal insult from those who want to pretend it barely exists.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

Seriously, where can I find your work? I'm curious to see it. Your dpreview gallery is empty. Throw some x10 pictures in it. I'm curious to see how good of a photographer you are.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 6, 2012)

At least he has eyes.

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

Dork really needs to open his.

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Mar 6, 2012)

OMG this place is a magnet for camera manufacturer shills to spread their lies and bs and then turn around and attack the decent self respecting photographers. Wow. What a troll. I hope you get banned again. The name nakeddork is fitting.....

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

I say we let the pictures do the talking...what do you say to that?

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Jim in AZ
By Jim in AZ (Mar 6, 2012)

Way wasn't this "orb" problem detected during trials and quality control? For a cheap $150 cam this might be acceptable but not for the price fuji is charging for the X10.

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LokTo
By LokTo (Mar 6, 2012)

The qc unit is named MARKETING & FINANCE DEPT.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

Because the problem is so small it slipped through.

Most people didn't notice it till it was poited out.

It's completely blown out of porportion!!!

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (Mar 6, 2012)

Look - white orbs are clearly undesirable. They don't look natural at all. Whether they affect someone's buying decision is their choice, and that choice will vary from person to person.

I don't think there's any reason to defend the camera like this and call it a non-issue, because it clearly be an issue for some people. The same applies for problems some other cameras suffer from, like low battery life, high ISO noise, small continuous buffer, poor operational speed, etc.

I don't think it's blown out of proportion. Potential buyers should know about issues with a camera, no matter how small. That's what forums/reviews/pages like this are useful for - bringing attention to small issues that could be important, but won't show up on spec sheets.

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aeneon
By aeneon (Mar 6, 2012)

Its gone past the point of no return for me , i have moved on and dont care less about the X10 or its dodgy on off switch , poor focusing and blown out reds . I am going to wait for the X11 or X20 now.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

Why not avoid fuji all together?

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pcworth
By pcworth (Mar 6, 2012)

Fuji do seem to make good cameras, especially the super zooms, but this is definitely not their finest hour.

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Geekapoo
By Geekapoo (Mar 6, 2012)

Not like Fuji has much choice but to do something definitive as the x10 problem has left them at risk of a class action lawsuit and all the bad press and defective cameras has killed sales and soured customers for their products.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

A class action lawsuit won't fly in court. There is no annecdotal risk death or injury, and people had the option to return it.

By all mean find a lawer willing to take the case. I'm sure fuji's have lawers ready to take it on.

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Geekapoo
By Geekapoo (Mar 6, 2012)

You might look up successful past class action lawsuits. For example, the recent one for the iPhone death grip issue....all owners were credited fora new case. A Fuji lawsuit would be a slam dunk easy win for consumers....and not everyone had the opportunity to return it at no cost. Read up and learn..

Richard

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

I doubt it. Most people didn't even notice the orbs till it was pointed out. The truth of the matter is that it is such a minimal occurance that it rarely effects users.

The orbs certainly don't have a detrimental effect on its opperation. Look through the thousands of pictures taken with the camera.

The fact of the matter is that the orbs are completely blown outt of porportion...completely!!!

I actually feel worse for the people that were diswayed from buying this camera, than the people that did, because it really is a fun little camera to shoot on.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

The equipment is fine you just lack the insight to use it. I certainly don't have problems with the x10. Hell, in some cases it has strengths that exceed my hasselblad.

The truth of the matter is if you spent as much time learning about photography and shooting, rather tha crying about trivial occurances, you wouldn't be blaming your equipment for your substandard pictures. Hell, you might be making some decent ones.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

A small claims case in a West Australian court with clear and sensible evidence would be sucessful - A class action would be even more likely to suceed - the law does not need a killer camera to make a balanced and fair decision all it needs to see is injustice !!
WE need a speel cheek in thiis swstem !

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Mar 6, 2012)

Yeah. The x10 works great until you take a picture with street lights or head lights.....but other than that it is "great."

And you compare it to a hasselblad? Wow. Fuji really needs to hire better shills. This guy is just making them look even worse.

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Geekapoo
By Geekapoo (Mar 6, 2012)

As Fuji has already acknowledged the problem and it has been clearly documented that the firmware update does not fix the issue, Fuji has no choice but to:
1) fix the cameras
2) replace with new camera
3) refund money spent on camera
The Fuji legal group knows these are the options only too well. As I said earlier, a class action lawsuit would be a slam dunk...100% chance of success....Fuji has already said publically there is a problem (even though a few here continue to cruise that river called DEE-NILE). Fully expect one of the three options listed above as the outcome of the Fuji news release next week (unless they are scammy enough to promise yet another firmware fix).

Richard

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goman100
By goman100 (Mar 10, 2012)

I hope this includes thee X-S1 too!!!

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Midwest
By Midwest (Mar 6, 2012)

They will be releasing the X10's certificate of live birth.

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ljclark
By ljclark (Mar 6, 2012)

Will we see the original, or only a certified copy of the information? Rush Limbaugh wants to know!

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pdelux
By pdelux (Mar 6, 2012)

The definitive solution is to release a new camera X11 =) Save your money!

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ZoranC
By ZoranC (Mar 6, 2012)

Tell Fuji I will believe it when I see it. Until then it is all just words.

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MortonH
By MortonH (Mar 6, 2012)

Thery are going to issue a firmware update to change the white orbs to black orbs.

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Don Simons
By Don Simons (Mar 5, 2012)

A clear case of 'any news is good news' for those X10 early adopters. Fujifilm have been headlines here and elsewhere for months now.The marketing people would say everyone is now 'brand conscious' and ready to be wowed with the company's definitive solution. Definitive in English by the way means 'final and conclusive.'however it may have the sense of 'limited' in Japanese. I hope everything turns out well for the owners and we can all return to normal soon.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

Thank you for your kind thoughts !!
We hope the final solution is near - FUJI !!
DO NOT LET US DOWN THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE !!

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Gary Leland
By Gary Leland (Mar 5, 2012)

Well, at least we all now have something to look forward to...as usual, I am optimistic. We should all give them the chance to make it right. Right? It's just good business.

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kwa_photo
By kwa_photo (Mar 5, 2012)

This is good news. I just received my X10. Other than the orbs, I'm pleased. If they can fix that issue, this camera is a hands down winner. Period.

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rusticus
By rusticus (Mar 5, 2012)

I keep my X10 if I get a Fuji X-1Pro at half price

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Ol Iver S
By Ol Iver S (Mar 5, 2012)

i am very, very glad to hear that!

thx to all the people (special interest sites like dpreview & dcresource as well as the users) that raised their voices about the major and also unacceptable shortcoming of the x10 - wds... and a big grin to the ones that were mindlessly defending that beautiful piece of technique! the latter ones propably won´t make use of whatever fujifilm has to offer, won´t they?! ;)

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Red Bicycle
By Red Bicycle (Mar 5, 2012)

If this solution includes Australian customers then well done Fujifilm.

Added: Of course the solution may only be definitive for sales going forward not retrospectively - I really hope not.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

FUJI Australia we are ready for the " Final " solution - don't let us down !!

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photofan1986
By photofan1986 (Mar 5, 2012)

One thought: Can the sensor sensitivity to light be reduced by firmware upgrade? Here is what I mean: from the DXO figures, the X10 sensor is quite a bit more sensitive than any other similarly sized sensor. And I think that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Fuji made a very sensitive sensor, more so than the competition, but the sensor also suffers from blooming.
Now, if they manage to decrease light sensitivity, maybe the blooming problem would be lessened, if not avoided. What do you think? Is there a link between highly sensitive sensor and blooming?
But my guess is that they would have to replace the sensor, as the firmware upgrade can't change anything.
Any thought?

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Mar 6, 2012)

That was my initial speculation as well. Its too bad. I really wanted an x10. The x100 was such a fantastic and well worked concept and the x10 seemed like the next great thing. I gotta admit even the xpro camera looks rather enticing. I'd buy one on looks alone. They very much seem like a rangefinder for the 21st century.

Two things. I thought the x10 used the same sensor as the x100m, but the x100 seems less likely to bloom, so maybe its a combination of an overly sensitive sensor and something with the lens design. Aperture affects light bloom. Maybe the aperture blades are different and it causes the problem to get worse on the x10. Secondly I don't really see how they can fix this. Clearly they finally admitted that the sensor will bloom in bad ways and that their firmware fix won't correct this issue fully. I don't see any option for them other than to recall the whole camera. I doubt it will make fuji broke, but it sure is going to sting. Their reputation is really on the line

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Mark S James
By Mark S James (Mar 5, 2012)

It's a lot of years since I owned a Fuji camera, but all the friends who have owned them recently have had issues with reliability or very short product life. Now this...!! I have to say that while the X10, X100 and especially the XPro 1 are very tempting and even compelling, I don't see my self parting with my hard earned for one at the moment. Love to try one, but spend my own money on a Fuji product....????

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TonyB51
By TonyB51 (Mar 5, 2012)

Hmmm.. new sensor, 16 MP based on the clever sensor the X-Pro1 has... wouldn't that be nice !!

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Mar 5, 2012)

Patience is virtue!

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sphexx
By sphexx (Mar 5, 2012)

error

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fujichip
By fujichip (Mar 5, 2012)

It's a great camera. I can hardly wait for the fix.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

Yes I agree - it needs a GOOD fix not something that reduces the other fine points of the X10 - i.e. NOT ANOTHER FIRMWARE debarcle PLEASE !!

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ams1
By ams1 (Mar 5, 2012)

Whether it's a sensor replacement or a total recall, that means by extension that Fuji is admitting that there is a real problem.
And if that's true, and they are announcing this week that they are waiting until March 12th to make the announcement, doesn't that really screw unknowing customers who buy an X10 today through March 11th?
If Fuji would be offering a hardware change or a recall, wouldn't they order all vendors to cease selling X10s today? B and H still has them in stock available today.
Unless... Maybe the cameras being sold today on March 5th are already fixed. I would be interested to know if anyone bought an X10 after say March 3rd or 4th if they notice the orbs.
BTW the orbs are VERY noticeable when taking night pictures in a city setting such as NYC. (in all modes, with many various settings)

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Bernie Ess
By Bernie Ess (Mar 5, 2012)

Some people can never relax. Why care for people who might buy it between today and the 11th?
And yes, sure: If night shots of cityscapes were my favorite subject for photography, it would be stupid to choose the x10 for shooting it... Everybody should know by now that this is a bad idea! There are other cameras for that. Do you only have one camera? I have 5 or more.... And I know 1000 types of scenes where orbs will never show up.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 5, 2012)

Don't get yours fixed the Bernie. You've been told and shown a dozen times that orbs occur in more than night scenes, but you still talk the problem down.

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kwa_photo
By kwa_photo (Mar 5, 2012)

I got mine last Thursday, I have orbs.

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N0BOX
By N0BOX (Mar 6, 2012)

How can you afford several cameras priced like the X10? I can only afford one camera, and it was only $150 more than the X10 is! I'm glad it functions properly in every situation I'll ever need it to.

I guess that's why I don't buy these Fujifilm cameras.

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Shomari
By Shomari (Mar 5, 2012)

I welcome the fix if it happens. But I have serious trust issues with Fuji. I love my X10 and would love to have the X100 and will probably buy one. However I won't even think about another Fuji product until it's fully tested and vetted. Fuji shot itself in the foot on this one. They should be offering refunds or at the very least a credit to the X10 owners on their next purchase....of a Canon camera.......;-)
Regards,

H

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kociasek
By kociasek (Mar 5, 2012)

They will provide each registered user with a free hammer bearing the Fuji logo...

4 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Mar 5, 2012)

And a mirror.

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slerman
By slerman (Mar 5, 2012)

Thanks.

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Col Hanzaplast
By Col Hanzaplast (Mar 5, 2012)

Microsoft never refunded for BSOD...

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gteague
By gteague (Mar 6, 2012)

yeah, but they did send their only (mis)begotten son, bob, to atone (and die) for their sins.

/guy

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frelwa
By frelwa (Mar 7, 2012)

I thought Bob was cool, but I like Holgas too.

0 upvotes
lacro
By lacro (Mar 5, 2012)

At last! Hope it's the final one. I really like this small camera.

1 upvote
FOTO24DK
By FOTO24DK (Mar 5, 2012)

Glad to read this. I was just about to contact seller for a refund, but if they are able to fix the problem I will be more than happy to keep this great camera.

My review at www.foto24.dk/fujifilm_x10_uk/

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ianruiz
By ianruiz (Mar 5, 2012)

This is really good news.

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D200_4me
By D200_4me (Mar 5, 2012)

That's good news.

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WalterPaisley
By WalterPaisley (Mar 5, 2012)

Too little too late.

3 upvotes
Cailean Gallimore
By Cailean Gallimore (Mar 5, 2012)

I'm seeing the same thing on some images produced by my X100. It's not happening very often, and it's not as noticeable, but it's there. Easy to handle in pp. Maybe an update for the X100 is needed too...

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delastro
By delastro (Mar 5, 2012)

Can we see such a photo?

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Greg in London
By Greg in London (Mar 5, 2012)

I think the X100 needs a serious update....lovely files .......IF THEY ARE IN FOCUS........as I battled thro' Fuji's development it would be fab if Fuji were to come clean. Would I ever buy another fuji product.................... not today !

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 5, 2012)

The X100 does not produce orbs. It's not even the same sensor. If you think this you do not know what orbs look like and are confusing flare for orbs.

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Ardexx
By Ardexx (Mar 5, 2012)

FujiFilm=PinocchioFilm. They only try to fix their sales.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

I "nose " something is wrong - let hope it gets fixed - their sales might be the incentive - your right !!

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delastro
By delastro (Mar 5, 2012)

Fuji says - after my experience with Fuji and their behaviour I think if Fuji says something to the white orbs it can only be bla bla bla...
I do not trust them any more.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 5, 2012)

Seriously, why does dpreview insist on beating this dead horse?

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Mar 5, 2012)

Because it's a really interesting camera that many people have bought and would like to see live up to its promise?

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Brian Mosley
By Brian Mosley (Mar 5, 2012)

Wow, Richard - you said exactly how I feel about the X100 and a decent firmware update! I'll have to ask them at Focus what they're doing.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Mar 5, 2012)

It's a dead horse? Apparently you haven't visited the Fujifilm forum recently. I'm glad Fuji say they are finally fixing it, will be interesting to see just how they do that though.

But this will be thier last chance! :)

-C

p.s. what a name/handle you have there

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Red Bicycle
By Red Bicycle (Mar 5, 2012)

Perhaps your view on this issue is not the view of others and perhaps other peoples view on this has some intrinsic value?

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Mar 5, 2012)

This horse is not dead, it just smells funny.

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nakeddork
By nakeddork (Mar 6, 2012)

I own this camera and find this hoopla surrounding it silly.

If you want to stick it to fuji don't buy the camera.

All this whinnig just reminds me of fats kids crying because they can't have their candy.

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Red Bicycle
By Red Bicycle (Mar 6, 2012)

If Fuji themselves find the issue serious enough to make public statements that they intend to fix the problem why do you say it is silly? I own the camera and have occaasional problems with this issue.

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lightandday
By lightandday (Mar 6, 2012)

Sorry mate !! - we will ask you in future what we can say !
is that OK with you - if not let us all know !

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HiRez
By HiRez (Mar 5, 2012)

How could no one at Fuji have noticed this problem before the camera got released. That's quite amazing. Combine that with the X100's dreadful focusing issues and slapped-together firmware and I have little faith in anything Fuji is putting out.

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Digitall
By Digitall (Mar 5, 2012)

They go to replace the camera with a new version, X11? or a larger and different sensor? March 12th we know. Not keeping high expectations.

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chrisfourie
By chrisfourie (Mar 5, 2012)

This seems to be a common problem for Fujifilm, their camera from the early 2000's, the Finepix 2650 had the same problem, look at this post,

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/beyond-basics/2224-what-causes-orbs-photos.html

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Henrik Herranen
By Henrik Herranen (Mar 5, 2012)

I don't know if you're joking/trolling or not.

In case you aren't: the "orbs" discussed in your link are out-of-focus dust particles lit by the on-board camera flash. This happens with any P&S camera in dusty conditions or when there are other minor particles, like waterdrops, snowflakes or ice crystals in the air. Nothing to do with X10 over-exposure orbs.

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J Parker
By J Parker (Mar 5, 2012)

Like many here, there's no way I would buy an x10 until a real solution (such as the free sensor replacements Sony did a few years ago) is presented. Although I primarily shoot Nikon, I own 7 Fujifilm cameras made between 2001 to 2005 -- they never had any issues and still get used as backups for wedding and studio work -- I wouldn't call the x10's woes a "common problem" based on my own experience with Fujifilm cameras that have performed quite well. Let's not engage in broad generalizations not supported by the facts.

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nicoboston
By nicoboston (Mar 5, 2012)

"Fujifilm promises 'definitive solution' to X10:
March 12th, Fujifilm is going to release the X11 !
Please note that they said said that they will announce a solution to X10 problem.
They did not say that they will announce a solution for those who purchased the X10!

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marike6
By marike6 (Mar 5, 2012)

"Aware of customer concerns" not "aware of potential customer concerns".

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Indulis Bernsteins
By Indulis Bernsteins (Mar 6, 2012)

Makes a nice change from the original corporate spin doctor lines about all digital cameras having some sensor blooming. Why did they bother with this, when there is a known problem it just antagonizes customers to pretend that it does not exist.

"All is OK, Titanic passengers, there is always a small amount of water present in the bilge of a ship, the water lapping around your ankles is just a bit more water than usual".

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webrunner5
By webrunner5 (Mar 5, 2012)

Well remember with the Fuji S2 they did replace the sensors, even out of Warranty, because of the "Black Screen of Death" thingy.

Could happen again.

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xeriwthe
By xeriwthe (Mar 5, 2012)

lol here comes the tidal wave of sh** slinging!! [again, amongst ourselves, the commenters, and possibly FF]

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rusticus
By rusticus (Mar 5, 2012)

Oh - Surprise on 12 March

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Mar 5, 2012)

Oh dear. I knew this day would come. Not sure how they will resolve it, but if they do, DPR readers will have to find something else to complain about. My suggestion: The D800 has too many megapixels and the 5D III has too few. This way, you can argue in both directions at the same time.

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Danielepaolo
By Danielepaolo (Mar 5, 2012)

We will gladly find something else to complain about but will you? Complaining about people complaining that is.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Mar 5, 2012)

Those would be design decisions. A screwed up sensor is not a design decision.

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