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Sony promises more NEX lenses in updated E-mount lens roadmap

By dpreview staff on Feb 9, 2012 at 01:00 GMT

Sony has said it will have 15 lenses ready for the NEX system by the end of 2013. It made the annoucement of an expanded E-mount roadmap at the start of the CP+ trade show in Yokohama, Japan. The roadmap includes a variety of zooms and prime lenses, including a high-end standard zoom with Sony's premium 'G' branding. There will also be a pancake prime and a mid-telephoto prime lens some time during 2013.

The roadmap is understandably hazy about exactly when each lens will arrive but with the huge biennial Photokina trade show coming later in 2012, it seems reasonable to assume some will arrive then.

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Mattoid
By Mattoid (Jul 24, 2012)

16-50 f2.8. stabilised. please make it happen.

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ebosch
By ebosch (May 6, 2012)

it's a pity.. sony have great camera bodies (5n, 7) but what a shame on the lens lineup. the only lenses worth buying are the 24mm /1.8 zeiss and the 50mm /1.8... a 16-50 /2.8, 30 /1.4 , 85 or 135 /2.0 would be perfect

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SigmaDelta10
By SigmaDelta10 (Mar 18, 2012)

Sony boys and girls: the NEX 7 is nice. Yes, really.
BUT... lenses should be black. They shouldn't look like perfume bottles.
The NEX 7 is black. The cheap 18-55 is black.
Black is beautiful.
Give us black lenses.

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sean lancaster
By sean lancaster (May 9, 2012)

I am just an amateur who understands exposure and I am learning composition and lighting to go with the technical stuff I've learned about photography. I also prefer silver lenses to go with my silver 5N. If silver is perfume bottles then I look goofy to you, but I like the look, so there's that. On the other hand, I don't care how I look and often put an ugly black Canon FDn 50/1.4 lens on my silver 5N. No big deal to me . . . it's the results I am after; not looking good taking the shots.

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SergeSmArt I
By SergeSmArt I (Mar 5, 2012)

What I'd like to get it from Sony, for my "Sony FS-100 Movie Camera" :)
.. is wide angle lens WITH IMAGE STABILIZATION!! - to use it when I shoot on STEADICAM !! Unfortunately no one, who produce the lenses mostly do it for PHOTOGRAPHY.. and they don't care about VIDEO... so there is NO wide angle lenses with IS on the market... but.. if we have something like 15mm or 20mm IS lenses - we can get MUCH MORE STABLE VIDEO from STEADICAM shooting!!
I hope Sony will hear me :)

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kapanak
By kapanak (Sep 18, 2012)

Your wish was answered with the 10-18mm f/4 Sony NEX lens WITH stabilization.

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Luckyblack29
By Luckyblack29 (Feb 28, 2012)

Help...Can I use a Sony (Zeiss) alpha mount or A mount on the Nex7? I know I will need an adapter....will I lose any of sharpness with the adapter.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 29, 2012)

No sharpness but you might lose some light if you use the sony adaptor with the translucent mirror (there is another one without if you don't mind losing useable AF).

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Luckyblack29
By Luckyblack29 (Feb 29, 2012)

Is there a major difference between the Sony 16/50 2.8 and the Zeiss 24/70 2.8? I have always wanted a Zeiss...but not sure about the $1000 difference..thoughts?

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 29, 2012)

The 16-50 Alpha mount is suitable for APS-C sensors only whereas the 24/70 Zeiss can cover full frame and APS-C.

The 16-50 suffers from distortion on cameras other than the a65 and a77. The zeiss 24-70 is a bit big and heavy (it only really feels at home on my a900). If it were a choice between the two for your NEX 7 I would go with the 16-50. However, if I'm honest, and you do want a zoom, I would simply get the 18-200 e-mount from sony. Its about the same size once you've factored in the adaptor and it really is a very nice lens of its type. You can tell from the list price!

The best two native e-mount lenses in my opinion are the Zeiss 24 and the 18-200. The 50mm OSS isn't bad either.

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SergeSmArt I
By SergeSmArt I (Mar 5, 2012)

you will NOT "lose any of sharpness" .. just lose some ammount of light with LA-EA2 adapter - as it have Translucent Mirror Technology Built-In ... you can get it here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/819768-REG/Sony_LA_EA2_A_Mount_Lens_to_NEX.html

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creeker
By creeker (Feb 28, 2012)

I really hope that Sony will make a high quality zoom, in the range of the kit lens. I would be willing to pay the price for a top lens. For me, a NEX-7, with a 16-55mm quality lens that is about the size of the present kit lens, would be the ideal walk around setup for my needs.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 27, 2012)

I think its a pity that there are no new Zeiss lenses on the roadmap. The 24mm is a triumph (there are a few pictures in my gallery if anybody is interested). I really hope the large aperture standard is of a decent quality (the 50mm is very good for the price). I'm not really sure what the wide angle zoom brings if it isn't G or Zeiss.

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kilanders
By kilanders (Feb 15, 2012)

Hopefully some of those new lenses will include the OSS feature.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 27, 2012)

I'm in two minds about OSS as it does contribute to the size of lenses and is practically useless below about 35mm (please note that sensor shift stabilisation does show a benefit at shorter focal lengths).

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (Mar 17, 2012)

Having any stabilization when shooting in low light situations such as f1.4, 1/15, ISO3200 is far from useless. In fact the only reason why I'm not interested in the CZ 24/1.8 is because it has no OSS.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2012)

not sure Sony is able to make any good lenses. using of a brand of someone else who hasn't made any good lenses for dozens of years since lost market to Japanese makers in 1960-1970s is a proof that the quality of these lenses are low.

Zeiss brand = low quality.
G lenses, not sure.

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jvsanchez
By jvsanchez (Feb 20, 2012)

You've obviously never used a Zeiss lens. And i guess you missed the part where the Sony 70-400/4-5.6 G was rated best in class of any system.

Zeiss is a world famous lens maker. They make glass for Canon & Nikon too... just an FYI. They also make optics for medical and industrial applications, and are used almost exclusively for neurosurgery microscopes. You better hope that if you need brain surgery, those low quality zeiss lenses are there to help your doctor fix you up. :)

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creeker
By creeker (Feb 28, 2012)

Zeiss brand = low quality. You're either from another planet or a troll, or both. Either way, at least you gave me my laugh for today. Zeiss...., low quality.....LOL LOL

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Stephen123
By Stephen123 (Feb 13, 2012)

People keep talking about a 2 year time table. But that's not what the chart shows. It shows 4 new lenses any day now, and 4 more in about a year.

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EDWARD ARTISTE
By EDWARD ARTISTE (Feb 13, 2012)

What, what...2013?

F that. I can't see myself investing in Sony. That's a pretty sucky lens selection over that length of time- 2012 just started. How long before this will be abandoned?

WHAT A JOKE.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 27, 2012)

No doubt Sony will abandon the best selling interchangeable lens cameras in its line up as soon as they possibly can..

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hello world
By hello world (Feb 12, 2012)

hehe, nice you have a body with ASP-C which could fit in your back pocket... sorry you need a lens of 20cm in lenght to get some decent shots, which will be around 1kg and $3000 :) I feel sorry for all you folks who bought into NEX assuming it would be better than other mirrorless systems because "It has an APS-C sensor in it!!!!" another 2 years before you can use the body without the option "shoot without less" enabled..

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erotavlas
By erotavlas (Feb 13, 2012)

Your joking right? No wait, sounds more like your trolling.

Regarding length - Do you even know how long 20cm is? Kit lens is 6 cm long. The telephoto E mount lens (55-210) is still only around 10cm long. Even if I put a higher quality A mount lens on it (like the Zeiss 16-80 or 24-70) I'm only adding to the lens an extra 2.6cm for the adaptor - total length around 10-13cm.

Regarding weight - The weight of the NEX 5N + Kit lens is less than 500g, Nex 7 slightly above 500g. With the telephoto E mount lens (55-210) still way under 1kg.

Regarding price - I paid $599 for my Nex-5N kit. Replacing kit lens with higher quality lenses will be expensive regardless what system you choose.

Regarding image quality - Sorry to break it to you but APS-C sensors (like the Nex 5N 16MP) will beat any of the 4/3 mirrorless at higher ISO's

Oh and if you require spending $3000 to get 'decent' shots then I feel sorry for you. :)

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Stephen123
By Stephen123 (Feb 11, 2012)

Does anyone know what the difference is supposed to be between the green lines and the grey lines in this graphic?

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Dustinash
By Dustinash (Feb 11, 2012)

The real value in the nex is as a video camera. Unfortunately the only stabalized lens (for video) is the 18-200, which is slow as mud. Why couldnt they have used video stabalization in the 50mm f 1.4? This is totally sucky.

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ZeevK
By ZeevK (Feb 18, 2012)

The Sony 50mm f/1.8 is stabilised - it's an OSS lens!

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BBumpy
By BBumpy (Feb 11, 2012)

The problem with roadmap is we can't tell what lenses (aside from pro quality Zeiss/G) will be for soccer moms (18-55, 55-210, 16?) vs. enthusiasts (50 f1.8, 18-200?).

I own a 5 and when I can take my time (landscape, macro) I've got more than enough great old glass from 24mm to 300mm (and a fair 500 f8 reflex). Plenty of physically small fast primes out there - and only < 20mm are very expensive.

I've got a 7 on order and what I need are lenses for shooting quickly - fast, stabilized & autofocus. Image quality trumps lens size, period - need sharp enough corners, but I don't need Zeiss-perfect (50 f 1.8 is good). I don't get stabilization with Alpha, so rules out Alpha lenses.

I'd be happy if IQ would be 'enthusiast' quality, fast & stabilized for the:
"Wide Angle Zoom" (10-24?)
'G' standard zoom (esp. if comes sooner)
High-Mag Zoom (to 300? 400?)
Large Ap Std Fixed (~35mm?)

For now, the rest can be soccer-mom lenses. I can be happy w/ old glass for all else I need.

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erotavlas
By erotavlas (Feb 11, 2012)

How many lenses do you need anyway? Man I hate changing lenses and always have my 24mm Zeiss attached. But I'd definitely take a high quality zoom to replace the kit zoom. Other than that most of what you need is already out there, if not in E-mount, its in A mount via the LA-EA1 (or EA2) adaptors. (or other brands via other adaptors)

Really with adaptors there's a lot of choice out there already I don't know what people are complaining about.

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Hubertus Bigend
By Hubertus Bigend (Feb 11, 2012)

It's not just focal length, it's image quality and aperture, too. The choice of lens options is still lacking in mirrorless systems. Most lenses are slow, many are mediocre or bad in IQ (16mm f/2.8), and at the same time more expensive than their SLR equivalents.

Adaptability of Alpha mount lenses is nice, but you could get a complete Alpha body for the price of the SLT adapter...

There's no mirrorless system that could replace my SLR gear yet, one body and five lenses (22-44, 28-300, 50, 100 macro, 100-400mm equiv., all stablized, plus decent 1,4x and 2x converters for the 100-400), which is what I would require it to before I start buing into one.

On the other hand, I'm already having lots of fun with a NEX-3 and a couple of old manual focus lenses (Minolta MC/MD 24/2.8, 35/1.8, 50/1.4, 85/2) , the latest being a 1961 soviet Russian "Jupiter-8" 50mm f/2 (Leica Thread Mount) lens. But I won't be investing into more NEX gear until I see that it could replace my SLR stuff, too.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 11, 2012)

Hubertus Bigend:

Panasonic, Olympus and Samsung have sure done a better job than Sony with lenses specifically made for mirrorless cameras.

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (Feb 11, 2012)

If I wanted to use the adaptor, I'd just buy an a series camera to begin with. The adaptor's a kludgy solution at best.

The lack of detail in the road map makes it nearly worthless in terms of planning. If you want a full mirrorless system, m43 is a better option today. Two years is a long time to wait.

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erotavlas
By erotavlas (Feb 11, 2012)

@Bob Meyer

Yes you could buy an A series body but you'd be stuck with a bulky camera body + large lens without the ability to reduce its size. At least with the NEX system you can remove the adaptor and switch to an E mount lens to make it far lighter and compact than a dslr. That to me is a huge plus.

And I agree, it kind of sucks we have to wait so long for lens offerings in E mount.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Feb 27, 2012)

Agree there aren't enough choices in e-mount but comparing it to the sucky Samsung line up that no-one is buying is a bit of a joke.

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Tubernator
By Tubernator (Feb 10, 2012)

Wow. I understand everyone's dissapointment (I guess) in the timeframes, but according to this roadmap, there will be 7 prime lenses in Sony's native emount, plus at least two from Sigma available within the next 24 months, as well as 8 zooms of various lengths and speeds. Also another from Tamron. Not to mention you can adapt all of the A-mount lenses with autofocus, etc, and practically any lens on the planet with third party adaptors.

m43 has been around much longer, and didn't launch with dozens of lens options, other than the older Olympus lenses.

If the system isn't for you I understand, but there aren't that many scenarios you can't accomplish with the NEX system. To each their own.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Feb 11, 2012)

Define "prime".

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Stephen123
By Stephen123 (Feb 10, 2012)

NEX cameras accept more available lenses than most (any?) other cameras. It seems like their mistake was putting the image stabilization in the lens instead of the camera; reducing the value of other lenses and increasing the cost of their own.

With the lens diameter greater than the height of the camera, and the camera too small for a hot shoe, they could afford the space in the camera, and then all the lenses would be smaller, cheaper, easier to design and build, plus no one would worry about a shortage of lenses.

But maybe this strategy is making them more money?

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Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (Feb 10, 2012)

Let's forget this roadmap. It seems NEX cameras have only a single function - buy the adapters to use the old lenses for the film. I am really disappointed that Sony defeated the benefits of NEX!

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Superka
By Superka (Feb 10, 2012)

I don''t see 30/1.4 here!

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snake_b
By snake_b (Feb 10, 2012)

This roadmap only makes me see Pentax as the obvious choice. THose lenses are available NOW, along with relatively fast, fixed f2.8 zooms. Why do the zooms on mirrorless have to be so slow? Now Olympus and Panasonic have somehow made people drool over slow zoons.

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akjos
By akjos (Feb 10, 2012)

TOO late... Nex system has been around a WHILE, and they are promising finally some lenses almost 2 years from now, really ? That is like 4 years from when nex was first introduced. Jeez...not really sorry i sold my 5n and m43 here i come.

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tlinn
By tlinn (Feb 10, 2012)

I too am watching the lens road map hoping for some more high end Zeiss lenses to help motivate me to make the jump to NEX. What doesn't help is more of these gunmetal silver lenses. Black, please.

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Doug Frost
By Doug Frost (Feb 9, 2012)

No more Zeiss lenses in the pipeline = FAIL.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 9, 2012)

"Promises" and "roadmaps." In another words, yet another colossal pile of fictitious bull.

Shoot, man, Sony cannot even deliver many of their current products to stores and online retailers, who they gonna pull off this heady magic trick?

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ZeevK
By ZeevK (Feb 9, 2012)

Sony delivered all E lenses they had on the previouse roadmap. Latest delays of A77 and NEX-7 are caused by the two natural disasters at the East, everybody aware off.

In the last 10~14 months Sony introduced more new cameras and more innovations than Nikon and Canon togather.

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cdembrey
By cdembrey (Feb 10, 2012)

Based on the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8, and thinking that more Zeiss lenses would be added, I had planned to buy two NEX 7n cameras. This "roadmap" has caused me to re-think my plans. No need to buy into a camera system with a lot of Kit Zooms. Meh!

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Doug Frost
By Doug Frost (Feb 10, 2012)

Two great NEX bodies and only one pro quality E-mount lens to pair them with. Talk about a missed opportunity.

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tyyreaun
By tyyreaun (Feb 9, 2012)

I'm hoping the G high-performance standard zoom is similar to the Sony-Zeiss 15-85 f/3.5-4.5. 16-50 f/2.8 would be good too. Either way, that would finally convince me to switch from a full-size dSLR.

I assume the standard prime is a 35mm f/1.8. What's the difference between a standard zoom and a mid-magnification zoom, though?

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Feb 9, 2012)

Personally, I rather wish Sony would deliver on the NEX-7 before it started promising news lenses for it.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 9, 2012)

Why do you need the physical camera also? Can't you just take your pictures with a phantom lens?

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Deeso
By Deeso (Feb 9, 2012)

Indeed. This whole "lens" things is overrated: There's nothing sharper than clean air.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Feb 9, 2012)

It looks as though the NEX system can't provide a fast lens unless it is also rather big. If the E50mm f/1.8 sample is any indication, a 35mm or wider lens with f/1.8 would be very big. Both the 200mm f/6.3 lenses are too slow for sports at the long end, except maybe with the ISO juiced up.

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Anaxagoras
By Anaxagoras (Feb 9, 2012)

(Physically) bigger sensors = (physically) bigger lenses.

Bigger apertures = bigger lenses.

Sorry, but unless you re-write the laws of physics...

(or give the NEX7 a puny, low-quality, small sensor?)

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cdembrey
By cdembrey (Feb 10, 2012)

Very True, Anaxagoras! But many people can't handle the truth -- or the laws of Physics 8-0

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aliquis
By aliquis (Feb 10, 2012)

But is it true? Flange distance doesn't matter? Is it just a function of design within the lens?

I have no idea but it's not the case that say some lenses design for leica or same mount cameras are smaller than say canon mount cameras?

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Caleido
By Caleido (Feb 11, 2012)

@aliquis
Leica lenses don't have electric AF or IS/VR motors built around the glass. So, bad comparison.

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Lightshow
By Lightshow (Feb 14, 2012)

>(Physically) bigger sensors = (physically) bigger lenses.
is just not true, M mount lenses are small, and cover full frame, it's just more difficult to get good corners on RF wide angle lenses, but that will change with every generation of sensor.
The AF motors & Iris system will not add to the depth, just the diameter.
<Bigger apertures = bigger lenses.
It's true of all lenses, even m4/3's

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rgnewell
By rgnewell (Feb 9, 2012)

I own a Panasonic LX3 and was amazed when Sony introduced the NEX with an APS size imager in a body about the same size as my LX3. I had hoped that Sony would have a lens about the same physical size as the 24-60 mm f2 on my LX3, but evidently not. Maybe Sony will surprise me. Until then, I sit on the sidelines.

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Bernd M
By Bernd M (Feb 9, 2012)

Sorry to disillusio you! A 24-60mm F2.0 equivalent lens for a APS size sensor would weight more than 1.000g, cost more than 2.000$ and would be 3 times the size of your camera. To have an idea: Llook at the 14-35mm F2.0 (equivalen 28-70mm) of Olympus. Its only for the 4/3 sensor that is smaller than APS. There are physical laws you can't ignore. Sorry again.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (Feb 9, 2012)

You're going to be sitting on that sideline for eternity. It is physically impossible for ANY manufacturer to make an APS-C 16-40mm f2 lens in a pancake design.

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snapshtr
By snapshtr (Feb 9, 2012)

I've also been sitting on the sidelines but I doubt they will ever come up with something like Panasonic's X series 14-42mm.The most you can hope for in a pancake zoom for APS-C is something like the Samsung 30-50mm kit zoom for the NX100. Limited range, no image stabilization.

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audijam
By audijam (Feb 9, 2012)

it's 24-60 f2-f2.8.

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kaifire
By kaifire (Feb 9, 2012)

its easy to build f2 lenses for small sensors like those pns. so for aps-c i think around f3.5-4.5 would b good r a constant f4 would b best

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Catalin Stavaru
By Catalin Stavaru (Feb 9, 2012)

@Bernd M:

He was not referring to constant F2 aperture at all zoom ranges. What he said is that he wanted an F2 initial aperture (like the LX3 has). Which I don't think it would weight 1kg...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 9, 2012)

NEX camera body: small (if you can find one anywhere, that is).

E-mount lenses: large and bulky. Can be rather weighty, too.

That's about wraps it up, right?

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erotavlas
By erotavlas (Feb 11, 2012)

@ Francis Carver

Um no. Except for the telephoto, the E-mount lenses are rather light and far from bulky. When I picked up the Zeiss for the first time i was amazed at how light it is.

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SimenO1
By SimenO1 (Feb 9, 2012)

Nice camera line up - crap lens line up. Whats the point of having slim cameras and 24 Mp if the whole package delivers either crap sharpness? I hope the 2013 snap pancake can deliver the sharpness the other pancake can't. That would make one interessting lens for me. Though, whats the point of having a system camera if only one lens sits on there?

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audijam
By audijam (Feb 9, 2012)

hence they got a new CEO

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evoprox
By evoprox (Feb 9, 2012)

> Nice camera line up - crap lens line up.

Exactly. The first thing that came to my mind when I read 'end of 2013' was 'they must be sh...in'
Ghee, as much as I like my NEX5 the 18-55 leaves a lot to be desired, not that it's any worse than its brethren, it outperformed my Nikon D300/18-55 combo by some margin and made me sell my Nikon gear but hey, they can't be serious on this one.
Where are Tamron, Sigma & Co. when you NEED them once in a blue moon ?
Many of has have seen what the NEX is capable of, my brother has a Tamron 17-50/2.8 (Nikon Adapter) on his NEX-5 and it makes the NEX sing but the adapter makes it pretty bulky and of course - no AF/VR.
Wake up Sony / Tamron / Sigma / Cosina & Co. WAKE UP !

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Feb 9, 2012)

Talking of Sigma etc, I'd love to see Pentax offer some pancake lenses for other mounts.

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chris00nj
By chris00nj (Feb 9, 2012)

For me, the big turnoff to the Sony NEX is that their lens line is geared towards soccer moms. (and other people upgrading from a compact, who don't know what the word aperture means).

Slow kit zooms dominate their lens line up. Maybe, 2 1/2 years after the camera was released, they will offer a fast normal prime. Maybe.

Fuji, on the other hand, is releasing their camera with 3 fast primes. According ot their lens roadmap, in total, 9 lenses by the end of 2013, 6 primes lenses. The zooms they will offer are all constant aperture.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Feb 9, 2012)

Sony probably never intended any of their E-mount cameras to become serious semi-pro gear. Soccer moms is right!

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Dan
By Dan (Feb 10, 2012)

Yeah, but when the NEX-7 showed up, I (D300 shooter with tons of lenses) got interested =) Glad it has a real hot shoe. Add Steadyshot with Active Mode to its video mode, drop its shot-to-shot time down to 0.2 seconds, and I will seriously consider the NEX line. I just hope it feels good when I mount a giant flash and lens onto it.

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Lbr0805
By Lbr0805 (Feb 9, 2012)

What's with making wide angle lenses mostly available as zooms? I would much rather have a compact 10 or 12 mm f2.8 at a lower price than a big 10-20 mm (or thereabouts) F3.5-4.5. It's not just Sony. Everyone is doing it.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Feb 9, 2012)

+1
Or just make it 10mm F4
It would really be useful for landscape photographers/hikers

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 9, 2012)

especially concerning distortion and all other optical lens problems

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Fullframer
By Fullframer (Feb 9, 2012)

Nikon makes a F2.8 Ultrawide zoom, 14-24mm.. best of both worlds. This lens is same or sharper than the primes in the same focal length.

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Lbr0805
By Lbr0805 (Feb 9, 2012)

Fullframer: and bigger

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dj0502
By dj0502 (Feb 26, 2012)

I think it's because they don't currenlty have any option for a wide angle zoom.. looking at the road map, they are trying to cover the lens category where they are lacking..

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Lbr0805
By Lbr0805 (Feb 9, 2012)

What is a "snap pancake"?

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Feb 9, 2012)

...snap pancake...doesn't sound like you could eat it...
On the contrary...it might eat you! snap snap

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Wally626
By Wally626 (Feb 9, 2012)

Translation of Japanese word. The chart above is the third iteration I have seen, the first was in Japanese, the second Japanese with English translations and this one with just English. I think the original Japanese word translated to snap, and it has been decided that refers to a pancake lens.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 9, 2012)

snapshot ? ^^

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Feb 9, 2012)

Might "snap pancake" be a translation of the Japanese colloquial expression for "rice wafer loaded with wasabi"?

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simon65
By simon65 (Feb 9, 2012)

Yes but the problem is the NEX-7 is here now, and there isn't a decent zoom to pair with it now. How did a company of Sony's size end up making such a huge cock-up as that?

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ottonis
By ottonis (Feb 9, 2012)

The SEL18200 is actually regarded as an excellent zoom. Are there really that many 18-200mm zooms for M43 systems with considerably better IQ AND considerably smaller size?

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dbo
By dbo (Feb 9, 2012)

@ottonis, indeed it is a very good "super-zoom", far beyond the mostly worse SLR pendants.
After long time I received my NEX7 now, and for the time being I use it with the new Tamron 18-200 (have chosen the Tamron due to much smaller size compared to the Sony). Working around the few wakenesses of such "super-zooms" the first few dozen results are absolutely nice.

In my opinion there is little need of another zoom for the mass market. As highend the Zeiss was a very nice idea, but it should have been a 35/1,4 rather then the limiting 24/1,8 as it is. The 50/1,8 is ok, but already to "long" for APSC as prime.

For the time being I only miss a macro aside the questionable short 30mm one.

For sure my view is very subjectively as of using a900/a77 with high end lenses for photo project. The NEX7 is "just" my everyday-everytime-with-me and holiday camera.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 9, 2012)

why would you buy a superzoom to a compact camera like the nex?^^

pretty senseless isnt it ?

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Calvin Chann
By Calvin Chann (Feb 9, 2012)

Let's just wait to see what they come up with before slagging them off too much shall we? Given the rather sketchy details on their roadmap, I find it difficult to make any sensible comments.

Anyone know what the green and grey shades represent?

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Hugo600si
By Hugo600si (Feb 9, 2012)

My hopes are on the G standard zoom, if that is the rumoured 16-85/2.8-3.5 I'll be one happy bunny. More likely it will be 16-50/2.8 though, it has to be G quality, not just G branding.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 9, 2012)

"More likely it will be 16-50/2.8 though, it has to be G quality, not just G branding."

It'd be great to have that excellent (and still not too expensive) lens in native E format.

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kev777zero
By kev777zero (Feb 9, 2012)

wouldn't put my hopes too high...
standard zoom might just mean the black kit lens that comes with the NEX-7.
high magnification zoom could either mean a SEL18-200 revision or a 70-300mm 4-5.6 zoom of some sort
wide angle zoom sounds interesting...maybe a 12-24mm F4-5.6?
large aperture standard...I'll place my bet on a 35mm 1.8 (would like a 30mm but I doubt they repeat the same FL again)

keep in mind that the specs of the E-mount lenses are going to be worse, or at most equal to A-mount lenses. they want to be less ambitious in order to reduce the lens sizes.

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PetarM
By PetarM (Feb 9, 2012)

just good and quality brigth zoom saves them. Some 18-55 F/2.8 - f/3.5

Otherwise Olympus will take their cake.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Feb 9, 2012)

I wish they made the 16-50/2.8 SSM E-mount at last. That would suffice as an all-around wide, bright zoom.

Nevertheless, as they speak of "standard" zoom (as opposed to "wide"), I'm afraid it'll be another dull not-that-wide zoom starting at 28mm.

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inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Feb 9, 2012)

bright at 2.8 ? hehe nice one

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Jim Parsons
By Jim Parsons (Feb 10, 2012)

You know many brighter ones?

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dbo
By dbo (Feb 9, 2012)

Hm, i agree that Sony's roadmap behaviours are kinda crap.

Besides that many people here seemingly doesn't understand serious business.
Sony has an existing line up of standard and some enthusiast lenses which cover every basic need.
Now. R&D'ing a lens, preparing the factory for production is a very expensive procedure, and they have to internally show a revenue model to the stakeholders.
Reason for delaying the "special" lenses is that the profit of the body and standard lens business needs to cover the costs of designing new lenses which may probably not be sold in sufficient amounts in order to redeem themselves.

One other thing - comparing m43 and APS-C is more like comparing apples and pears...

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digifan
By digifan (Feb 9, 2012)

[quote]One other thing - comparing m43 and APS-C is more like comparing apples and pears...[/quote]

euh, no I don't think so. The diff is not too big.
There's a bigger diff between Nikon1 and m43 than between m43 and APS-C.
Oh yeah to clarify, I mean sensor wise!

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Feb 9, 2012)

Fruits are substitutable. Apples and pears can both be sweet, or they can both be hard or rotten. Pick the pear or apple that pleases most.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 9, 2012)

2013! How long does it take to get a lens out!!!

No doubt they'll all be so expensive NEX users in the main will continue to use it just as a twin lens package (as I do) and use a full sized DSLR for more specialist lens work.

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splashNdash
By splashNdash (Feb 9, 2012)

2013! How long does it take....

... right name of the system is NEXT They lost the T.
It cames with the lost lens ;)

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Jokica
By Jokica (Feb 9, 2012)

Any guess for Standard Zoom Lens specification? There are rumors of 16-85mm f2.8-3.5. Thanks!

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

Olympus Pen has a range of lens really useful, not Sony.
We will shoot the photos with the NEX in 2015 and now with the Olympus?

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

I note that Sony does not provide the caps of the lens when you buy the kit lens + body. I have two bodies and I have to change from one body to another lens. From here you can see that Sony has no real culture of photography ...

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

We need an equivalent (in 35 mm) of 28mm, 35mm, 50mm at a good price and possible stabilized. We need for real photography on the street!!!! We don't need stupid zooms for dummies

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ET2
By ET2 (Feb 9, 2012)

Try Sigma 19mm F2.8 when it's in shops next month.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Feb 9, 2012)

Exactly. Fuji knows that but Sony apparently didn't get the message. And f/1.4, at least the standard prime. Noise is an issue with all these pixels, we need faster lenses to shoot at lower ISOs.

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Yomama
By Yomama (Feb 9, 2012)

Since Fuji's X-mount has the same Flange focal distance as the Sony's Nex mount, you can imagine the size of a 18mm, 35mm and 60mm..... all without stabilization

http://www.dpreview.com/products/lenses/Fujifilm

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

thanks!

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Deeso
By Deeso (Feb 9, 2012)

The NEX system will be really interesting... by 2015. I hope sigma, tamrom and others help some. It's really a shame because the latests NEX's are really great bodies.

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

I agree! We need lens useful for street photography, not extreme zoom

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Jasvox
By Jasvox (Feb 9, 2012)

What is wrong with the 18-55 kit lens or the 50/1.8?

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Deeso
By Deeso (Feb 9, 2012)

Just the size. And the16mm performance isn't stellar... Specially if you compare it with some m4/3 pancakes

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itev
By itev (Feb 9, 2012)

We are always waiting for lenses ... it's not very serious M Sony

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gianniviola
By gianniviola (Feb 9, 2012)

I agree!

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (Feb 9, 2012)

Yomama just put a the tiny Voigtländer CV 15 15/4.5 Aspherical Super-Wide Heliar on a Nex 5n and you see that you logic is wrong.
They do have to work on their Nex 7 sensor color filter array and AA filter.

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Yomama
By Yomama (Feb 9, 2012)

To be honest, The short flange focal distance of the nex is what makes it so difficult for them to produce decent fixed primes that are not bigger/longer then it needs . It's pure physics, small body (with short FD)=bigger lenses (NEX), normal body (with normal FD)=normal lenses (Fuji & Samsung), and big body (with long FD)=small lenses (Pentax).

The market is longing for faster pancake lenses with high IQ..... Sony will have a hard time doing so. M43 seems to be hitting the sweet spot with the size of the body and collection of lenses. I also think Pentax K-01 will do a lot better than we think.

Please do the math of adding up the lenses length of Sony's 16mm (23mm), 24mm (66mm) & 50mm (62mm) and compare to Pentax's 21mm (25mm), 40mm (15mm), 70mm Ltd (26mm)........ Ouch Sony. Ouch

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Feb 9, 2012)

Agree. Sony seems to have screwed up big time with their tiny NEX bodies and short flange distance but using APS-C sensor sensors in their cameras. There may indeed be a problem there causing Sony's slow lens release and average quality lenses. What a pity if true, that all their fantastic sensors now and in future should be compromised by the quality or the balance/size/price issues in lenses. M43 got it spot on in terms of size and balance and image quality for a small camera. Even the crop factor of 2 is so convenient to use. Especially with sensors getting better all the time, their smaller sensor size will not be a significant in another camera generation. If NEX cameras can only be used mainly for big and heavy, expensive name brand lenses or exotic old manual focus lenses, it would be such a waste of its great sensor and viewfinder and other technology. Lucky they still have the Alpha mount.

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Petteri Sulonen
By Petteri Sulonen (Feb 9, 2012)

Fuji's flange focal distance is slightly shorter than Sony's (17.7 mm, Sony is 18). [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount ]

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (Feb 9, 2012)

The flange focal distance of the Nikon 1 series is 17 mm.
The sensor is 13.2 x 8.8 mm.
Very good, im my opinion, for a compact lens system.
The flange focal distance of the 4/3 system is 38.67 better than micro 4/3 (19.25 mm).

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servic
By servic (Feb 9, 2012)

Short flange focal distance is not a problem at all, since FFD is the distance between the flange and the sensor (not the rear lens!). You just stick the lens deeper behind the flange. You can easily design symmetric lenses in 18-30 mm range in pancake format.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 9, 2012)

Just like the E-mount CZ 24mm 1.8, the new Cosina-Voiglander 17.5mm F0.95 lens for micro Four Thirds is a long barreled lens - which just confirms that symmetric short focal wide angle lens designs don't work all that well on mirrorless digital cameras.

We are not going to see fast E-mount pancake w/a lenses with high IQ but maybe some slow pancakes with ho-hum IQ.

Pentax can make shorter barreled lenses because they are using the flange focal distance of a mount originally designed for 35mm SLRs.

PS Yomama - I can't figure out how Sony's 24mm equates to a 66mm, Pentax's 40mm equates to 15mm and the 70mm Ltd equates to 26mm. You're the one who said "do the math".

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (Feb 9, 2012)

If you consider a complete camera's system with wide-angle and super-tele (for birdwatching) can you decide wich Flange Focal Distance versus Sensor's Diagonal is better in order to have a light and however good quality system?
On my advise Nikon 1 system can be, because it has a big sensor (versus 1/2.3" sensor or 2/3" sensor) with a 15.86 mm Diagonal and a big Flange Focal Distance (17 mm).
What do you think?

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Yomama
By Yomama (Feb 9, 2012)

Hey CFlynn, those are their actual physical length taken from their spec sheet, and that's all. All I was trying to demonstrate is the size of the lenses in the NEX line is not even close to being portable. Try to put both 24mm and 50mm in your jacket pocket without looking like it's been taken out of a washing machine. pentax's 21+40+70 is equal to a sony's 24mm!! The small camera systems are ideal for street snapping with primes....Sony is unable to deliver.

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Feb 9, 2012)

Looks like Samsung have got it right. APS-C sensor, small lenses.
Fuji lenses are not that small.

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servic
By servic (Feb 9, 2012)

Ok, CFynn, even if pancake design is not totally symmetric (see e.g. http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/olympus_25_2p8_o20/) you can still move the rear lens further away from the sensor if required, even if the flange focal distance is short. It doesn't matter if it is symmetric or not.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (Feb 9, 2012)

This is a lens road map?

It looks more like a wish list with those generic lables identifying future lenses.

They can't be more precise as to what type of leneses they will introduce?

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