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Just Posted: Enthusiast Zoom Compact Camera Roundup

By dpreview staff on Dec 21, 2012 at 18:10 GMT

The holiday season is upon us once again and with all the sales and special deals around at the moment, this is a great time to start thinking about getting a new camera. Maybe for a loved one, maybe just as a treat to yourself. In this article, we'll be looking at the current field of enthusiast zoom compact cameras, and examining their relative strengths and weaknesses to help you make your buying decision. 

As part of this roundup we'll be looking at the cameras' specifications, operation and ergonomics, as well as their image quality and the relative merits of their zoom lenses. We've also included studio and real-world samples. Click the links below to read more. 

Comments

Total comments: 124
pixelatorcw
By pixelatorcw (Dec 31, 2012)

I have been a long term user of Canon Powershot S90, and 'upgraded' to Canon S100 just before the Sony RX100 was introduced.

The Canon cameras S90/S100 (and probably also S95 and S110) are excellent ones and still have an edge being more pocketable than the rest of the bunch (including RX100). But when it comes to image quality, the Sony RX100 clearly beats the very good Canon S100. And while it's bigger, it's still pocketable.

So my wife got herself a (nearly) brand new Canon S100, while the main photographer in the family just HAD to get hold of a Sony RX100... :-)

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Aroart
By Aroart (Dec 31, 2012)

Put Sony's sensor in the Olympus and we'd have perfection. Period......

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Pedro Caminante
By Pedro Caminante (Dec 27, 2012)

Just get the RX100 , small size , great build quality and superb images... there is no competition really. I love mine , best travel camera I've ever had !

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Franc0222
By Franc0222 (Dec 28, 2012)

We bought one, is amazing, lots of resources but you can shot aon automatic too and get great pictures.

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parisphoto
By parisphoto (Dec 29, 2012)

I cannot agree more. Terrific camera. Best of all, it is so small, I always have it with me, and have gotten some great pictures.

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vassilis gazelos
By vassilis gazelos (Dec 26, 2012)

thank you all for your valuable comments, happy holidays

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vassilis gazelos
By vassilis gazelos (Dec 23, 2012)

Hi all, I'm trying to decide on a new compact/bridge camera and this review came out on time even though it doesn't inlcude the bridge/large zoom cameras! I don't have first hand real life experience of either of these so I'm trying to narrow down the selection from the reviews and comments. I'm looking for the best image quality, full manual control, widest angle 24mm/25mm, long exposure, braketing. I was considering the FZ200 or SX50HS however these have significnalty smaller sensors than the ones reviewed in this article. Could anyone assist me with some real life experience and regardless of the budget how these different types compare. Is the image quality (and Depth of Field) of the comeras here noticeably better?
P.S> The only reference I have is via a friend's Canon older Gseries which produced some relay good results (I don't rememer the widest angle though).
My experience ranges from a SLR Canon F1 (multiple lenses) to a point a shoot Sony DSC T7
Thank you

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Tape5
By Tape5 (Dec 24, 2012)

Go with the one that has been the most controversial, that has the highest megapixel count, the best video quality and is the most expensive and that is your best chance.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Dec 24, 2012)

Hi,

It sounds like you are not really sure what category of camera you need. I would choose a category first, then a camera within that category.

If you don't print any larger than 8x10, I wouldn't worry about the IQ of any of the cameras you mentioned. For a compact camera, I currently use a travel zoom (Canon SX230HS). The IQ is acceptable to me (not as good as these cameras), and I appreciate the extra reach of the travel zoom. That camera would be roughly comparable to the superzooms you mention in IQ (maybe the SX230HS is a little worse). I've also owned a previous generation enthusiast compact (Olympus C7070), and the IQ was very good, better than the SX230HS, and it had a DIFFERENT set of capabilities, less zoom, but better macro, for example. These cameras are more along those lines. But many many times I wished for more zoom with the C7070!

Good luck with your choice.

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song0042
By song0042 (Dec 24, 2012)

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song0042
By song0042 (Dec 24, 2012)

Don't buy Canon SX230, buy Sony HX20V one of the best point and shoot camera under 300 bucks. It's solid point and shoot camera has 20x OP zoom and clear image zoom will allowed you to zoom up to 40x zoom without seeing the pixels or grain in your picture. I've been loyal to Canon for 13yrs and I'll say this a lots of Canon cameras are over rated and I do believe Sony cameras are good as other brand or much better cameras on the market. Sony makes their lens, processors and sensor chips not many company does that. Sony is not underdog but threat to many other Company that are in the camera business. Don't be surprised 2013 Sony will have more cameras will "WOW" you when they launched new models.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Dec 24, 2012)

If you want a camera that gives the best image quality and has room for you to grow and develop your skills over time, I’d go for a 2nd hand Canon S95 on eBay for around £150. For a small sensor camera it’s the best there is.

Other options include a Canon 1100D now at under £300 from Jessops - a great beginners DSLR camera at a great price, or maybe a second hand Nikon D3000.

If you don’t want the bulk of a DSLR but still want the same image quality and the option to learn manual controls, I’d recommend buying a 2nd hand Sony NEX-C3 or NEX-5 from eBay and use on Auto but play around with the manual controls.

I personally don’t see the point of 4/3rds when the larger frame Sony is smaller and more powerful, and if you need the lens choice of the 4/3rds range then you might be better looking at a dedicated DSLR.

As you’ll soon learn, no one camera does everything, you’ll need a different one for different circumstances!

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janvanbogaert
By janvanbogaert (Dec 24, 2012)

If you need 24/25 mm then the Lumix LX7 must be an excellent choice. Excellent fast lens. No long tele, but you cannot have it all. Pretty small too. Fits in a pocket. Still my favourite.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Dec 24, 2012)

You must have big pockets to fit an LX7 in them!

I'd still choose the S95 or S100 over the LX7 purely down to size; whichever has the best IQ, at this level its unnoticeable! If size wasn't an issue (to a point), I'd sooner have a Samsung EX1 or EX2 ... both awesome cameras ... better (IMO) than the Panny or Canon. I doubt a new user will also know what lens they'd need ... but all that aside, I'd still go for the NEX - with its Pancake on its not much bigger than the LX7 plus its more versatile, of course a significantly larger sensor and perhaps cheaper on eBay!

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Ym How
By Ym How (Dec 25, 2012)

Hi Vassiis,
I've just bought the Panasonic LX7 for AUD$318+shipping on eGlobal.com, after reading some terrific reviews on this. Although the sensor is not the biggest on a compact, it is the latest crop. It has the widest (24mm) and the brightest (f1.4-f2.5) lens. What I am especially pleased about the LX7 is the low light and night shot capability, the fast and accurate focus, the rock solid image stabilizer (I can shoot down to 1/6s handheld). Only weakness of this camera is the top rear dial, which is a bit hard to rotate with the thumb (use-able but not as smooth as I'd like it to be). See sample pics on http://ymsays.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/review-of-panasonic-lx7-part-4.html . Click on left column to see Part 1-4.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Dec 25, 2012)

The LX7 is a fine camera, but you'll have more fun and better results with the Samsung EX2 (having owned both, the later still). The bracketing on the EX2 is superb: its what i use it (and the Samsung NX11 in my collection) exactly for. That said, if you're looking at these, why not just buy a similar sized Sony NEX. Youll then have a choice of lenses, massive sensor and all the other goodies you seek.

If the NEX is a no then surely the Sony RX100 has to be worth a look. It doesn't have a low f lens like the LX7, but with its 1" sensor it'll trounce it in every way ... IQ and it's blisteringly fast focus and shooting speeds!

My advice, check out the RX100, the NEX range, the EX2 and Canon S100 then the LX7 ... Then let us know which one you buy!!!!

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EarthQuake
By EarthQuake (Dec 26, 2012)

when you compare M43 vs NEX with similar lenses, the M43 combo is almost universally smaller. Say M43 with 45/1.8 vs Nex with 50/1.8, M43 with 20/1.7 pancake vs NEX with 35/1.8, 24/2 or 30/2.8. Even when you compare larger bodies like the OMD vs the Tiny Nex 3/5 the M43 is about the same size or smaller with similar lenses. If you take the compact M43 bodies the size is smaller than NEX. Sure the NEX may be smaller in height, but what does that give you with a large lens attached? The Sony 16-50mm and the not very good 16mm prime lenses are the only NEX lenses that really compete on size.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Dec 27, 2012)

WRONG! I dont know of any 4/3rds smaller than a NEX ... Plus the image quality and low light performance of the NEX BLOWS 4/3rds cameras out the water! I've owned about 4 x 4/3rds cameras, the smallest being the GF3 ... But with lenses on they're no smaller and mostly heavier, and of course suffer on IQ, Dynamic range etc. I'm not biased to any brand; I just don't see why you'd choose 4/3rds over a full sized APSC sensor like the NEX. If your answer is lens choice then, if you're that serious, I'd recommend going for a small DSLR like the Nikon D3/5xxx. I have a canon FD adaptor on my NEX with an f1.4 50mm lens (cost £50!!) ... Teamed with the sensor size its a dream! Moving from 4/3rds to the NEX range was the best move I made ... and I'm looking forward to buying a NEX6 so I've got a proper PASM dial ... The only fault with the NEX range.

NB the 16mm f2.8 lens blows the panny 1.7 out the water because of the Sony sensor size! (again, speaking from experience)

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Robert Melnyk
By Robert Melnyk (Dec 23, 2012)

Olympus XZ-2 Looking for a dpreview review even though I've purchased the camera. I shoot Olympus E-5 and E-3 and was looking for a compact for simple carry around use. The XZ-2 is an excellent addition. One piece of advice - learn all of the functions this camera has - very powerful.

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JavierDiaz
By JavierDiaz (Dec 22, 2012)

The Canon G15 is no match for the Canon G1X, but the G1X did not make it to this list. The G15 may have a faster lens, but it still is a regular "G" series camera with a puny sensor. Worse, it reintroduced the fixed LCD.

All the while, the G1X features a near APS-C sensor, with more resolution than the G15 to boot. And most reviews including DP's own, point out the quality of its photos can rival any Canon DSRL.

I'm surprised at DPReview's choice of the G15 over the G1X. The G15 is an elaborate, luminous "point&shoot" device. The G1X is a serious Compact Camera. Surely there is a mistake somewhere. Let me clarify I own a G1X and formerly I had a G11, so I am personally aware of the differences.

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Robert Eckerlin
By Robert Eckerlin (Dec 22, 2012)

Javier

Unfortunately, I am not an expert. But nevertheless there is for me one aspect that makes the G15 outstanding; it has an optical Viewfinder.

As an non-expert, I am willing to accept a lot of shortcomings (e.g. about Image Quality) in exchange for having an optical Viewfinder. For me, the G15 (or either a good follow-on to the G15 with a reasonable OVF, or a good future competitor to the G15 with a reasonable OVF) is that Enthusiast Zoom compact camera of my choice.

But of course, I understand that we all have different priorities.

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JavierDiaz
By JavierDiaz (Dec 23, 2012)

Robert, all "G" series share the same optical VF which you can also find... in the G1X, no difference there whatsoever.

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Robert Eckerlin
By Robert Eckerlin (Dec 23, 2012)

Javier; Thank You very much for correcting me.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Dec 23, 2012)

Well that may be your opinion about the G15 but mine and others vary quite a bit from yours. That 'puny' sensor (as you say) is performing just as good as DSLRS did from 2004 era, and in some ways outperforming them.

Perhaps the G1X should have been in this group and perhaps not, it's bigger, heavier and more expensive than all the cameras in this group. However, there's no need to diminish the G15 in the process of making your argument, it's a fine instrument in many regards and trounces point and shoot cameras on every level.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Dec 23, 2012)

Javier,
G1X is simply not compact anymore. It also suffers from a slow AF and a limited lens, so I doubt that it easily beats G15 in i.q.:
It has less sharpness and clarity and often needs much higher ISOs because of its slower lens and lower d.o.f.
In my opinion it is a rather useless design, because anyone who accepts its size should better take a mirrorless camera.

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JavierDiaz
By JavierDiaz (Dec 27, 2012)

cgarrard: I believe we've come a long way since 2004...

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (Dec 22, 2012)

I just literally bought an LX7 a few hours ago >_<

It was either:

Canon G15
S110
P7700
X10

Then I based it on the overall IQ, AF speed and the local market price. My mom will be happy with her new toy.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Dec 24, 2012)

I got an RX100 last week. Since it was cold and rainy for 7 days, I took some indoor cat photos (whisker resolution excellent), threw the camera into the sock drawer on top of the other eight digicams, started printing the awful manual, had some tea and Cracker Jacks, and fell asleep.

More later.

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attomole
By attomole (Dec 22, 2012)

Very good review.
Latest batch of electronics and fast throughout the range zoom lenses, has effectively made a real competitor to the Mirroless uFT and APS sensor cameras, unless you plug in faster optics than a std Zoom.
In most (nearly all) circumstances I recon you would be happy with the output of either,
I wonder if we will see small sensor cameras become fashionable again with hobby photographers as a first choice camera.

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marike6
By marike6 (Dec 22, 2012)

I totally understand why the Ricoh GRD IV is not part of this roundup, but there's a bit of a double standard when it comes to fixed lens cameras.

For example, I can guarantee that the Sony RX1 will be fully covered on DPR (as it should be) and we won't read how it's a niche product of "limited use or appeal" because of it's lack of zoom. And few people would call the excellent Fuji X100 a "niche product".

But we are constantly told what "niche products" the excellent GRD IV or Sigma DP2 Merrill are.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Dec 24, 2012)

I agree with you on the DP2 Merrill and the other similar camera (I forget which is which), 100%. It has IQ that beats all of these cameras. I'd love to see it get some attention here.

I don't know about the Ricoh, and I'm a cult camera kind of guy. I've tried to get excited about the Ricohs, but I just can't. Maybe I'm too old to "get" it.

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Digicam Newbie
By Digicam Newbie (Dec 22, 2012)

Hello, DP Review.

Am I imagining it or was this story actually posted a few days ago?

Is this an update to the original?

Also, will you be doing other roundups in the near future. They are really quite useful...

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Dec 21, 2012)

"The Review of Olympus XZ-2 " soon gonna be the most well keept secret of the world !

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Dec 23, 2012)

Do you really need the review anymore? I think their summary already says it all: It is one of the best compacts due to its great lens, iq and handling.
All you need to decide is: Should you exchange your XZ-1 for it?
Unfortunately, even an in-depth-review will not answer this...

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drakkar
By drakkar (Dec 21, 2012)

Fuji have the more photographic tool. Viewfinder, the 2nd biggest sensor, ergonomics, full manual operation, etc.
Why Dpreview emphasizes:
The megapixel race again? FUJI HAVE a better X sensor vs Bayer´s sensor, and have a better Iso performance at minor resolution.
The lack of OVF? Well OVF its very important. Brigth, and the images are the real scene, not an electronic representation.
The cheapest plastic body? Well Fuji have the most beatiful and solid design.
The poor lowligth performance at High iso? DPreview insist to justify that the Canon minor sensors are better than Fuji or equal than Sony sensors... well.

And Fuji had to replaced all defective sensors without cost! And haven´t tried to sell a new digicam with OVF to replace the X10. This is a real vendor support. fix the digicam, without intent to replace it.
But Dpreview always voted for Canon, again.
And they never put a Fuji´s digicam in top positions.

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Joerampi
By Joerampi (Dec 22, 2012)

I agreed with you, base on my observation dprevie.com only focus to 2 brands, not become a independent reviewer

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timedrun
By timedrun (Dec 20, 2012)

thanks for the round up, the compact sector is so confusing its very helpful to have these synopses being produced quite frequently. ta.

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Ross McWhirter
By Ross McWhirter (Dec 20, 2012)

I've just bought a Fujifilm X10 after about a year or so of deliberation and I am really pleased with it. One of my "must have's" was an optical viewfinder and I don't understand why so few "enthusiast" cameras have one. OK it doesn't have full coverage on the X10 but you soon get to know how to allow for that and if it is critical you can just check the shot you've taken on the LCD. My ideal carry-everywhere camera would be an X10 with a 100% coverage viewfinder.

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brelip
By brelip (Dec 20, 2012)

24mm wide angle should be emphasized more. 28mm is just... well, boring. That's why Sony, Oly, Canon, Nikon is losing with nature/landscape enthusiasts. Fuji, samsung, and panasonic get it.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Dec 21, 2012)

Cannot agree. If I want landscape I use panorama.
I also find indoor and architecture more balanced with 28mm - distortion is less pronounced.

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brelip
By brelip (Dec 21, 2012)

Try do a 5 seconds exposure in panorama mode.

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Airless
By Airless (Dec 21, 2012)

You don't need to shoot in "panorama mode" to make panoramas. You stitch them together in photoshop.

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Jahled
By Jahled (Dec 22, 2012)

Yawn

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Dec 19, 2012)

I think the attention being paid to this segment shows that the lower end segment is drying up and hardly profitable. This segment of compacts is probably the only one left where you can make some money.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (Dec 19, 2012)

As the title of exercise suggests "enthusiast zoom compact round up", only cameras matching the description were reviewed and compared. I think that the choices and explanations are spot on. Invaluable tool for all those sitting on the fence and unable to decide which one would address the expectations.

Adding niche cameras as fixed lens Ricoh or Sigmas DP (DPMerrill) as well as large sensor not so compact Canon G X1 would create a good bit of confusion and inequality among the bunch. I think that this is the most balanced round up of cameras fitting the particular segment to date.

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schaki
By schaki (Dec 19, 2012)

Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.
Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Dec 19, 2012)

Clearly you already understand why it's not in here, even though you'd like it to be.

Having a prime lens means it appeals to a different audience (which makes it less relevant for a side-by-side comparison). This also makes it hard to say anything useful about it - it can't be compared on the same terms. And, as you say, it's also getting towards the end of its life, making it irrelevant if Ricoh creates a GRDV in the next few months.

Each camera we include adds significantly to the amount of time taken to produce the article, so we have to draw the lines somewhere. I'm afraid that meant excluding the GRD on this occasion.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Dec 19, 2012)

EDIT: I am too late to the party

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skyrunr
By skyrunr (Dec 19, 2012)

Just go try and buy one. ;)

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schaki
By schaki (Dec 19, 2012)

Trying to keep brands or certain models away from a test by making it a test for zoom-cameras only sounds problematic to me. It could easily be explained shortly that the GRD-line is slightly niched but still belongs to the group of advanced compacts with 1/1.7" sensor.

If the GRDIV is too old. That means that the Fujifilm X10 not would have been included either because it is obviously near the end of it's life as well and announced only 14 days before the GRDIV - on Sep 1, 2011

The GRD IV announced on Sep 15, 2011, according to the announcements on this site. GRDIV http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/15/ricohGRD4announced
X10 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/1/fujifilmx10

Richard Butler wrote
"Each camera we include adds significantly to the amount of time taken to produce the article, so we have to draw the lines somewhere. I'm afraid that meant excluding the GRD on this occasion."

And also excluding future GRD models from upcoming tests as well, presumably ;)

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io_bg
By io_bg (Dec 19, 2012)

Because it's called "Enthusiast ZOOM Compact Camera Roundup"

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Dec 19, 2012)

we need a "DISLIKE" button.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Dec 20, 2012)

How does that make anything better...

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schaki
By schaki (Dec 20, 2012)

In 2008 another strange decision occurred when Dpreview chose to include the not so good Ricoh R10 instead of the definitely better suited Ricoh GX200 for the "Holidays '08 Compact Camera Group Test Group 4: Enthusiast digital compacts"
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408enthusiastgroup/
The GX200 became available in time for that test. Announced on Jun 24, 2008 www.dpreview.com/news/2008/6/24/ricohgx200
R10 announced in September 2008 as is stated in the product-description. Couldn't find any real announcement about this camera on this site. www.dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_r10

So, I think we all know that there was enough time to take the better GX200 instead which was announced earlier during the summer. Yet Dpreview failed to do so...
The zoom is not long but not shorter than the LX3 which was inlcluded with 24-60mm (24-72mm for GX200) so lack of zoom reach can hardly have been the issue.
The real issue seems to be bias against small but good brands in general.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Dec 23, 2012)

schaki, I understand that you are a loyal user of Ricoh, which is fine.
But for what reason should the GX200 be included? I do not see a specific advantage this model offers over the others in the group.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Dec 23, 2012)

LOL it's a zoom compact test. If the GRIV (or upcoming V) was compared, it would have to be with other fixed lens compacts, though as those generally have larger sensors it would get tricky, though for some it would still win on size or features.

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plasnu
By plasnu (Dec 19, 2012)

X20 is coming in a month.

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cancerrak
By cancerrak (Dec 19, 2012)

what, where, when?

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DoryD
By DoryD (Dec 19, 2012)

I'm a little bit disappointed now that dpreview don't review shutter lag anymore. It used to be on the "performance" page of camera full reviews, now it's not mentioned anywhere.
Unlike big DSLRs, shutter lag can be a big problem for P&S, and it's generally not mentioned in the marketing material anywhere.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Dec 19, 2012)

I agree with you. FWIW, the RX100, at least has nonexistant shutter lag pre-focused and since focusing is always active, very little focus time too. I'd love to know how the G15's responsiveness is, as it seems like a very capable camera too.

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cancerrak
By cancerrak (Dec 19, 2012)

Someone is removing posts. Period. Don't see mine either in news or review section. Any explanation?

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Revenant
By Revenant (Dec 19, 2012)

Your comment is still there in the review section. Noone is removing posts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2367736880/roundup-enthusiast-zoom-compact-cameras?comment=2464012317

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Dec 19, 2012)

Which do you think is more likely:

1)There is a conspiracy to keep certain brands down and so your comments were deleted by the man.

2) You are mistaken

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Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (Dec 19, 2012)

3) The dog ate it : D

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D Lynch
By D Lynch (Dec 19, 2012)

This review is so frustrating to gain access to. I think that it's because I'm using my iPad? Perhaps it's due to my habits with my iPad?
Looking at the review from my computer, it makes much more sense, and even has links to get the information that I want.
So thanks for putting this review together. It will help me with future purchases.

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Photomarcus
By Photomarcus (Dec 19, 2012)

The fuji x10 has probably for me the best body. But if I compare it in terms of IQ with the others,it'sreally steps below. And it's a real shame because I love it. I don't understand why we can finf it in this roundup.
I will have your opinion..

Thanks.

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schaki
By schaki (Dec 19, 2012)

Have you lowered the Nr for the ooc jpegs in the X10? might be possible to squeeze out more details by using Low Nr or if Off is available. It should benefit from raw as well. With this said I've not used the X10 myself.

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_sem_
By _sem_ (Dec 19, 2012)

Well, the output isn't as good as it should have been considering the sensor size. Further, raw support in major raw converters is inadequate. Add the complication of setting the right mode when shooting raw. Crippled by advanced technology ;)
I like the design a lot though.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (Dec 23, 2012)

As you already said:
It has a great body. Also a great lens that easily beats S110.
So I think it deserves to be in this group.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Dec 19, 2012)

The only winners here are the consumers.

These guys are slugging it out for our approval and loyalty.

Keep on shouting, manufacturers:

"Are you not entertained?... are you not entertained?"

.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Dec 19, 2012)

Well consumers in the US to be more precise. In the UK these lovely guys are slugging out to extract the most money they can from the punters, forget the exchange rate.

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YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Dec 19, 2012)

Well said Greynerd. Just prepared a small table by looking up today's prices at amazon.com and amazon.co.uk (preferred the prices directly by amazon where available) and here are the price mark-ups in the UK in real money.
Used average exchange rate of the last 3 months at 1.61GBP/USD.

Canon G15: $419, £484 + 86%
Canon S110: $320, £369 +86%
Samsung EX2F: $369, £380 +66%
Nikon P7700: $419, £387 +49%
Panasonic LX7: $449, £367 +32% (recently offered much cheaper in US)
Olympus XZ-2: $550, £423 +24%
Sony RX100: $648, £449 +11.5%
Fuji XF1: $449, £310 +11%
Fuji X10: $499, £302 -2%

It is obvious Canon is by far the worst offender, demanding 86%(!!) more from its British (presumably either filthy rich, or plain stupid) customers. By contrast Sony and Fuji are actually selling their top models cheaper in the UK than in the US if we take into account the 20% UK VAT tax incl. I voted for Sony with my wallet.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Dec 19, 2012)

@YiannisPP
Thanks. I doubt if many people in Britain are buying them at all. We had fears of a double dip recession but I have now lost count of the dips.
I expect the market here is mainly the top end earners so they are keeping the prices high as long as they can. In the US it pays to pile them high and sell them cheap. I think they like to sell to us at product end when the prices can drop significantly possibly more than the US as the lower income groups are more liable to buy the bargain stock. The X10 and X100 are ageing lines so they will have drooped in price. Fuji should be commended for the XF-1 price and probably uniquely do value the UK market and I hope they sell a few.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Dec 19, 2012)

They probably fret more about whether they can make any money. The consumers expect to pay less and less, but get more and more.

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fed2man
By fed2man (Dec 19, 2012)

Is someone removing posts? This showed up when I posted but has now disappeared.

I posted a note that the Sony RX100, because of its higher resolution than the others, allows quite a lot of cropping before you get to the 10-12mp level. Hence the EFFECTIVE zoom at the telephoto end is much higher than at the 20mp level, and it is this that should be used for comparisons. otherwise you are not comparing apples to apples.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Dec 19, 2012)

Nothing you've written has been deleted - you wrote your comment in the review, not the news story.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Dec 19, 2012)

@Richard

I've always wondered about that "doublestep" at dpreview, where the front page link takes you to the link to the content that takes you to the content. It's been like that since forever, and I never did understand why.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Dec 19, 2012)

Traditionally, it's because we don't have commenting on reviews, so this interstitial page provides a forum for that feedback (although in this case the article was written in our new content management system which supports commenting). We also use these pages to provide more information than is possible in a single paragraph front-page announcement.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Dec 19, 2012)

I knew that.

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Robert Eckerlin
By Robert Eckerlin (Dec 19, 2012)

R. Butler wrote: "Nothing you've written has been deleted - you wrote your comment in the review, not the news story"

And Barney Britton wrote: "Traditionally, it's because we don't have commenting on reviews, so this interstitial page provides a forum for that feedback (although in this case the article was written in our new content management system which supports commenting). We also use these pages to provide more information than is possible in a single paragraph front-page announcement."

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Even though I love very much the dpreview website: this is really very confusing. It would be great, if you could consider to improve that.

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By the way: I loved this roundup. It is very useful to me. Thanks a lot for it. And also Thanks a lot to the users of the dpreview website for their useful comments.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Dec 19, 2012)

The difference in a single dimension between a 20 megapixel and 12 megapixel camera is approximately 1.3:1. In other words, you do get an advantage, but it's small, not "quite a lot".

Someone who is carefully framing their picture at 12 megapixels will get better results than someone who is shooting willy-nilly at 20 megapixels and trusting in cropping.

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maboule123
By maboule123 (Dec 19, 2012)

Yes, they do. And if you continue to complaint they will remove you. Any other protest from your part and you will be banned from every camera store in the Tri-state area.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Dec 19, 2012)

Yes, you get extra crop or digital zoom with just about all the models. If you settle for 2mp, and have lots of light, fine. Since the RX100 aperture narrows the most at full zoom, better to have lots and lots of light.

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Serban Alexandru
By Serban Alexandru (Dec 30, 2012)

@ Barney Britton:
May I suggest that you silently assassinate the interstitial page and place a label at the bottom of the first page: "The 'Comments' section is in the 'Conclusions' page".
I failed to notice the usefulness of that arrangement, either.

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Aroart
By Aroart (Dec 18, 2012)

I've owned the Sony rx100, fuji x10, lumix lx7. I've tested the Olympus and Nikon ,cannon. The Nikon was buy fare the worst. The cannon was decent. The Sony wasn't worth the money.The macro wasn't great and the lense was only great at wide. The fuji and the lx7 was best . I kept the lx7 and bought the fuji xe1. BH in new York is great place and let me even use my sd card and hook it up to my I pad to review my shots. They also never gave me any hassle when I returned a few cameras. I'm supper happy with my choice. I actually picked up the lx7 for $ 300 during a 3day black fri sale.

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marike6
By marike6 (Dec 19, 2012)

The buy all and return the fav sounds like a camera shop's (and subsequent customer's) worst nightmare.

The Nikon P7700 actually has some of the best IQ of the 1/1.7" cameras with almost identical IQ to the G15 but with less noise above ISO 800. Excellent JPEG engine and the longest zoom range of the group albiet with a slower max aperture.

The LX7 has a nice lens, but mediocre DR and slightly cartoonish colors (over-saturated greens).

The Fujis have buy far the nicest colors and high ISO second only to the RX100, but the X10/XF1 RAW conversion is poor. Such a pity.

The current prices for the Canon S100 are pretty hard to ignore.

The XZ2 is my new favorite of the bunch, but it's priced too close to the E-PM2 and EPL-5.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Dec 18, 2012)

Fujifilm comes up a loser again.

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imbimmer
By imbimmer (Dec 18, 2012)

To me, Canon is the ONLY loser this time around because I own all of them except the G15 and S110! :-)

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Dec 19, 2012)

If you wanted to own that much gear, why not get a system?

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marike6
By marike6 (Dec 19, 2012)

No losers on this list.

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georgec
By georgec (Dec 18, 2012)

Panasonic LX7 with a Sony RX100 sensor will be a killer cam.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Dec 18, 2012)

And that's not gonna happen unless you want a much bigger camera. When constrained by the compact size, you either have to make the sensor smaller (LX7) or make the lens darker (RX100).

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maboule123
By maboule123 (Dec 19, 2012)

That's what I did!! I opened both cameras and swapped sensors, then I went and returned the RX100 before the 14 days period. Now I'm going to buy a Nikon Coolpix P7700 and switch LCDs (I hope the store won't notice it when I return the Nikon) THEN... I'll have the best LX7 EVER!!!
Ingenuity saves money, guys.

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R Thornton
By R Thornton (Dec 19, 2012)

dylanbarnhart: How much bigger is RX-100 than LX-7 right now?

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Dec 19, 2012)

@Thornton - They are about the same size, and that's because the RX100 lens is 2 stops dimmer. If you make the lens with the LX-7 specification for the RX100, it would be 4 times the size of the current lens.

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Serban Alexandru
By Serban Alexandru (Dec 30, 2012)

@maboule123:
Please explain how did you fit a 13.2 x 8.8 mm sensor into a 6.7 x 5.1 mm socket.
How did you adjust the Noise Reduction software for a sensor that receives approx. 2.5 times more light.
And for the fine touch, what did you do with vignetting.
If you can answer these, you shouldn't worry about the store's opinion.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Dec 18, 2012)

The RX100 owners are already struggling with this. The RX100 replaced the need for all other cameras and suggesting these smaller sensor cameras can compete on level terms is going to cause much angst and confusion.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Dec 19, 2012)

Most small P&S models are hard to sell at all these days, when phones are the camera of choice for most people. Sales have fallen, and the angst is over what sort of higher-priced cameras will appeal at all.

The RX100 will not be anyone's last and only camera, unless it sits idle. After a year or so of heavy use, and regular exposure to pocket dust, lint, grime, and skin cells will result in sensor dust, compelling the owners to buy another $650 camera and / or undertake DIY dust removal surgery. That procedure then demands regular repeats, since opening up the camera admits new ambient dust.

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pidera
By pidera (Dec 18, 2012)

I particularly like the graph on equivalent apertures. Some years late, but still : it's there (and I hope it's there to stay). Congratulations :-)

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Rangerob
By Rangerob (Dec 18, 2012)

Just my two cents.
After trying both the xz-2 and rx100 for a day, I decided to keep the xz-2 and return the rx100. The touch shutter articulating screen, being able to attach an external flash or evf, and quicker access to important settings sealed the deal for me. The Olympus just feels more rewarding to shoot with even though the picture quality is better on the rx100.

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Jerra
By Jerra (Dec 18, 2012)

Sony RX100 vs. Olympus XZ-2? What would you choose in which situation and why? And yes, I do care about ergonomics and stuff.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Dec 18, 2012)

The XZ-2 has the edge ergonomically - it's got more contact points, they're more customizable. Engage the super control panel and you'll find the combination of a touch-screen and stepped front control dial make it really enjoyable.

The RX100 has the edge in image quality (particularly in good light), size and video capability but the XZ-2 is nicer to use, has a slightly longer lens and also takes very good images and gives more control over depth-of-field at the long end of the zoom.

They're both excellent - your individual priorities will decide which is better for you.

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stevezl
By stevezl (Dec 19, 2012)

I just purchased the XZ-2 a week ago, and while the image quality is excellent, I am having a terrible experience with the camera's inability to lock focus (about 50% of the time) in indoors relatively dim light. I wonder why there is no comment on this in this review?

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Dec 20, 2012)

We've certainly not had that problem. Or, at least, no more so than we encountered with all the other cameras. Without seeing the scene, lighting and target you were trying to focus on, it's hard to know whether it a problem with your particular camera or is something that all XZ-2s or all compacts would struggle with.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (Dec 18, 2012)

This is your last holiday season chance to choose one. And let me be extra nice and help you out here a bit in the good spirit of the new year coming up:

It is RX100 kids. Hands down. With a double twist.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Dec 18, 2012)

If you're not in a hurry when you take photos, I'd compare the Sony to the G1X. The Sony is wildly superior in every way except image quality.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Dec 18, 2012)

Totally agree. RX100 changes everything.

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Dianoda
By Dianoda (Dec 18, 2012)

I love my RX100. After a few months, my only complaints are: soft corners at wide angle, and the lens is a bit slow at full tele. Otherwise, it's the bee's knees. Responsiveness is awesome. Snappy AF, great video, decent low light performance, lots of control customization, decent manual focus implementation.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Dec 19, 2012)

The RX100 might be a good camera for an enthusiast to buy, but it is a very expensive gift if the recipient confuses it with any $150 black Cybershot and is habituated to phone cameras. An "entry" DSLR, which costs about the same as an RX100, would make a bigger visual impression, even if it too also ended up unused. The kids would probably prefer an Xbox or new iPad anyway.

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Dianoda
By Dianoda (Dec 20, 2012)

Anyone interested in the RX100 is an enthusiast already, and many of us like the fact that it is small enough to not attract more attention than those $150 cybershots.

Also, if you are considering gifting an RX100 to someone who you think will not appreciate what it is, and making a big impression is important to you, then, by all means, give a different gift instead.

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Larry McJunkin
By Larry McJunkin (Dec 24, 2012)

For all the RX100 lovers out there....hasn't anyone looked at it in the Studio Scene Comparison Tool here on DPReview? There are MANY cameras that literally blow it away in higher ISO settings. It's great at 100 but look at it around 1600 or 3200...sadly much worse image quality. If you never take pictures indoors...then the RX100 is fine.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Dec 18, 2012)

Excellent article and I enjoyed the easy to compare one-page per camera format.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (Dec 18, 2012)

Very useful, thanks. I am in the process of deciding between a high-end compact and a previous generation mirror-less (m4/3) as a present and indeed quite a few of these cameras listed here cost quite a bit more than older m4/3 ... Tough choice

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Pythagoras
By Pythagoras (Dec 18, 2012)

you can't go wrong with the panasonic gf1 or gx1 and the pancake lens! i just bought a fuji x-e1 so i'll sell you either of my two panasonic cameras :)

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topstuff
By topstuff (Dec 18, 2012)

I think the RX100 sensor outperforms the 12mp m4/3 comfortably.

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Dec 18, 2012)

Only in Dxo charts. Old m43/43 sensors were laging nehind apsc competitors. Point and shoot cams, even scaled up could never match them. I would go so futher and say that even the 5mp E1 olympus totaly destroys any pocket-miracle. DSLR is better than P&S (at least those with cx or smaller sensors) ALLWAYS. It's not only the sensor, but the format.

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topstuff
By topstuff (Dec 18, 2012)

The RX100 prints on my coffee table tell me you may be forced to change your position.

Sensor tech has moved on a long way over the last year or two.

I would hold up the RX100 prints against your E5 anytime. They are as good as prints from a D300.

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Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson
By Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson (Dec 18, 2012)

I bought into the RX-100 sensor myth... and had an argument with DPReview guys about not giving the camera the Gold Award... then I found out... my opinion mind you - not forcing anyone to listen - that sensor is not everything... the lens matter - the GLASS - the RX-100 is great at 28mm... when you zoom out, the lens goes to f/4.9.... build quality.. not so great.. IMO ... too small for my fingers... so, I got it when DPR say that final silver/gold is subjective... I never fell in love... sold the camera...
I did like/love my Canon G series cameras, and Oly XZ-1, so, I'm now looking at the G15 and the XZ-2, the sensor matters - a lot - but the lens needs to be bright and the overall ergonomics pleasant.. again IMO...

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Dec 18, 2012)

>Sensor tech has moved on a long way over the last year or two.

Nope. The sensor still captures the same amount of photons as the old sensors did. The S/N ratio is better only due to using a cmos instead of the hot ccd and lower circuit noise. Do you own a dslr?

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Dec 18, 2012)

>. my opinion mind you - not forcing anyone to listen - that sensor is not everything... the lens matter - the GLASS - the RX-100 is great at 28mm... when you zoom out, the lens goes to f/4.9.... build quality.. not so great..

Even excelent glass, which I doubt the RX-100 has, can repeal restrictions of the format. That's why you have crazy large format people, shooting film. That's why people are buying 35mm format and apsc/43 cameras. The larger format cameras don't cost more for nothing.

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Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson
By Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson (Dec 18, 2012)

I have owned the Canon 5D, 5D ll, 7D, 60D, 350 to 550D, and lots of L lenses... I like quality and IQ, not pixel peeping,

but above all, I like the photography experience to be engaging...e.g. when I got the Canon G10 I loved all the dials, the exposure compensation wheel, etc....

today my main camera is the Olympus E-M5, my main lens the Panasonic 25 f/1.4...

the RX-100 did not light my fire... sorry.. just my opinion... other people have different tastes, the guy who bought the RX from me was happy...

as for what you are saying zig_S... I'm sorry, don't really understand,

best regards
from Iceland

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YiannisPP
By YiannisPP (Dec 20, 2012)

When someone says the RX100's build quality is not so great, I cannot really take in the rest of their opinion. The RX100 has the best build quality of any compact I've owned and I've owned 2 Canon Gs. It really feels like a premium product.

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VinYlee
By VinYlee (Dec 26, 2012)

I have used the Sony Rx100 the past few months and conclude that it is a great camera.!! Best camera for great pictures in a small body and no regrets buying it after considering all the other offers in te compact range to the mirror less varieties. The best accessory which IMO is a must is the hand grip by Richard Frienac. Excellent finish n great improvement on grip.

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mcshan
By mcshan (Dec 26, 2012)

Gunn Gud: True but for me image quality matters even more and as noted above (much earlier in this thread) the RX100 is the winner for point and shoots. The ergonomics depend on the person. The RX100 works for me and I have big hands and severe arthritis. I LOVE the G15 ergonomics but love the RX100 image quality even more. Is the extra $200+ plus USA dollars worth the difference? Only the individual buyers can say what works for them.

We are lucky to have such solid point and shoot cameras. There are so many good ones. Something for everybody.

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