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Adobe announces updates exclusive to Creative Cloud members

By dpreview staff on Dec 11, 2012 at 17:57 GMT

Adobe has announced CS6 updates that are exclusive to Creative Cloud subscribers. Adobe Photoshop 13.1 offers among other things, the ability to apply Liquify and Lens Blur effects as Smart Objects and use conditional statements when creating Actions. However, these changes are unavailable to those who've bought traditional versions of Photoshop CS6, and Adobe has not said when, or even if, 'perpetual users' of CS6 will have access to these features. Retina Display support for Mac, also announced today, is available for all users.

Although Adobe has touted exclusive access to new features as a selling point of Creative Cloud membership, today's announcement marks a turning point as the company is now making a very clear distinction between those who choose a subscription and those who purchase the software outright. Among other Creative Cloud exclusives are video training content, available from inside the CS6 applications and a workgroup version of Creative Cloud designed to allow collaboration on internal projects, with centralized monitoring of user access and storage.

Press Release:

New Photoshop Features and Team Version Headline Major Update to Adobe Creative Cloud

SAN JOSE, Calif. - December 11, 2012 - Adobe Systems Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today is revealing a major update to its Adobe Creative Cloud offering. During Create Now, an online event this morning, the company is announcing that Creative Cloud members will now have access to over a dozen exclusive new features for Adobe Photoshop. Adobe is also highlighting the customer momentum behind Creative Cloud, with more than 1 million free and paid memberships, including approximately 326,000* paid individual members who have signed up through November 2012. Additionally, at the Create Now event, the company is introducing a new version, Creative Cloud for teams, making it easy for creative professionals to collaborate with colleagues; showcasing new capabilities for mobile website design with Adobe Muse; launching Creative Cloud Connection for desktop synching and collaborative sharing; debuting Creative Cloud Training, a library of premium instructional video from leading partners; and demonstrating the unlimited access to the Digital Publishing technology used by major publishers to create interactive content for the iPad.

"It's been remarkable to see over 1 million users join Creative Cloud in just seven months," said David Wadhwani, senior vice president, Digital Media, Adobe. "Our goal is to make Creative Cloud the ultimate hub for creatives, where they can access the world's best creative tools, store and collaborate around their work and ultimately showcase their creations. Now with the availability of the new Creative Cloud offering for teams, we're making it easier for workgroups to create and collaborate."

Tune in to see the full details unveiled at the Create Now online event at 10am PT with new Creative Cloud capabilities, including Creative Cloud for teams, available for download and purchase starting at 11am PT.

New Photoshop CS6 capabilities available to Creative Cloud members, include:

  • Immediate support for HiDPI (Retina) displays for Apple MacBook Pro. This feature was also made available to perpetual license customers as a free update.
  • Smart Object support for Blur Gallery and Liquify.
  • The ability to quickly export CSS code for text and objects, and import color swatches to easily design incredible websites.
  • New workflow timesavers including Crop tool refinements.
  • 3D enhancements including improved live (OpenGL) previews of shadow effects and additional control over illumination using 32-bit color picker to create glow effects.
  • Conditional Actions that automatically select the appropriate Action based on user-defined rules, giving users enhanced image processing speed.

New Offering Brings Teams into Creative Cloud

Also available today, Creative Cloud for teams is designed to help creative professionals work better together. Creative Cloud for teams delivers everything that's included with the individual version of Creative Cloud – all of the same desktop tools, online services for publishing and file sharing, and upgrades and feature updates when they are released. Plus it also includes easy management of virtual workgroups, 100GB of cloud storage per user (versus 20GB for the individual Creative Cloud offering), expert support services, centralized administration for the quick and easy deployment of new seats, and centralized billing and efficient license management.

Other new Creative Cloud additions include an update to Adobe Muse, a desktop app that allows designers to create professional, HTML websites without writing code. Adobe Muse now includes the ability to create unique layouts for desktop, iPhone, iPad and other mobile device versions of a website. Designers can now customize each experience whether the site is viewed on a large monitor while sitting at a desk, or viewing on a small screen while on-the-go.

Also added is Creative Cloud Connection, a desktop sync app, which allows users to automatically sync files to a Creative Cloud account by saving files to the desktop folder, or simply dragging and dropping. In addition, new exclusive Creative Cloud Training (available to all paid Creative Cloud members soon) offers an extensive library of tutorials and trial courses from renowned training partners, Kelby Training, video2brain and Attain, designed to help make Creative Cloud members successful with the tools and services available to them. These select partners, along with Adobe, will provide training videos for an international Creative Cloud audience in English, Japanese, French, German, Spanish and Italian, with more languages to be added later. Also today, Adobe Illustrator was updated to support HiDPI (Retina) displays and this feature was made available to both Creative Cloud members and perpetual license customers.

Digital Publishing Single Edition

During Adobe's Create Now online event, the company will demonstrate core Creative Cloud capabilities, including Digital Publishing Suite (DPS), Single Edition. DPS, Single Edition significantly simplifies the mobile app development process by enabling designers to create and deliver digital publications to iPad through the Apple App Store, without writing a single line of code. With DPS, Single Edition members can create single-issue content, including brochures, catalogs or personal design portfolios, and submit an unlimited number of apps to the Apple App Store for publication, at no additional cost. This gives freelance designers, design agencies and small-to-midsize businesses easy access to the same core digital publishing technologies that leading publishers worldwide are using.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Creative Cloud membership for individuals is US$49.99 per month based on annual membership; existing customers who own CS3 or later get their first year of Creative Cloud for individuals at the discounted rate of US $29.99 per month. Students and teachers can get Creative Cloud for $29.99. Creative Cloud for teams is priced at US $69.99 per month per seat with an annual contract required; existing customers who own CS3 or later get their first year of Creative Cloud for teams at the discounted rate of US $49.99 per month per seat. Creative Cloud for teams is available for purchase today on Adobe.com; annual memberships are also available worldwide through a growing network of Adobe certified resellers. The new Photoshop and Adobe Muse features, Creative Cloud Training, and Creative Cloud Connection preview are immediately available to Creative Cloud members.

Comments

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kitesmolt
By kitesmolt (Feb 5, 2013)

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http://www.cloudstoragebest.com/

Thanks.

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dingdingpals
By dingdingpals (Dec 21, 2012)

this question has been on my mind: can a member of creative cloud under Plans for Individuals with 2GB and Free still be able to create unlimited number of apps using adobe's cs6 and its create app feature. i really need a response. tanks.

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technotic
By technotic (Dec 16, 2012)

If you get the single product subscription to PS you get the regular PS and not the extended version? It seems you can't get the extended version alone but only as part of the complete set of Adobe apps? Or you can buy it outright and not get any updates unless you upgrade right?

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mark power
By mark power (Dec 16, 2012)

If anyone is interested in an extended version of my rant ( see comment below ) it can be fiound at my blog at http://markelpower.tumblr.com/

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gphd916
By gphd916 (Dec 15, 2012)

honestly adobe suite is not worth buying anymore. you won't get the same updates as cloud. you will have to wait for the next suite and spend more if you want those updates but by the time you buy that, cloud already released newer updates that you won't have. the cloud is the new expensive drug for creative people. if you stop, you can't open up your files and it has all the programs you mainly use for your work flow. There are some alternatives like perfect photo suite and topaz. adobe is really not giving their loyal customers any option.

If you own 5.5 now, you are forced to decide to buy 6 or 7 soon because adobe will probably let owners only upgrade to 2 versions. if you miss the upgrade, you have to pay full. overall if you buy the suite, you still won't get the latest updates that cloud provides. if you join cloud, you get to pay 29.99 a month with yr contract but after price goes up to 49.99 a month with year contract.

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mark power
By mark power (Dec 15, 2012)

The Photoshop team at Adobe has always been overprotective and paranoid. Their attitude towards the user is punitive instead of supportive. "Creative cloud" subscriptions are an extension of that punitive paranoia. They recognize only one kind of photographer in a universe of many kinds. Their target is the high end professional and they pretty much ignore photographers at the lower end of the economic scale.
But then there's Lightroom which seems to subscribe to the Apple philosophy of putting the consumer first and profit second. LR is value for the money. It is reasonably priced and upgrades (often free) are made quickly available to all users. LR allows updates to RAW capability as new cameras come on the market. PS only allows the most current versions of PS to have those updates. I can only hope that LR does not follow PS down the slippery slope of subscription memberships. I can get by without Photoshop but parting with LR would be like losing a limb.

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andrewD2
By andrewD2 (Dec 15, 2012)

So, to get the new features after buying the last 5 upgrades at (UK stupid) prices I have to rent it as well?

Andrew

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gphd916
By gphd916 (Dec 15, 2012)

overall adobe is really forcing everyone to the cloud. you will get ripped off if you buy the suite because you will not get the new features they give to cloud members

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margems
By margems (Dec 14, 2012)

One irking thing I don''t see mentioned here is how difficult Adobe makes it to find purchasing options to Cloud on their website, especially upgrades to purchased software, and single-program Cloud subscriptions. I own Creative Suite Standard CS5.5, which includes Indesign, Illustrator, and Acrobat. It took me quite some snooping on the Adobe site to discover that I can upgrade to CS6 for $275. Clearly, they don't want this to be obvious.

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gphd916
By gphd916 (Dec 15, 2012)

another thing adobe doesn't tell you is if you buy it, you don't get the exclusive new features on the programs that only cloud members get

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Dr_Jon
By Dr_Jon (Dec 13, 2012)

An interesting thought, as someone who paid nine hundred quid for CS6 Extended (actually PS version 13.0) then found that when they fixed some of the nasties in the crop tool (in 13.1, only for CC) I gather I won't get that fix until CS7 comes out and I pay to upgrade... I assume they won't update the retail boxed version, so if I paid my £900 next Jan I wouldn't even get the latest version?

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 13, 2012)

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29791-panasonic-to-sell-camera-business

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 13, 2012)

adobe has released updates for LR and ACR.. of course there is no offline updater for ACR.

i hate the &(/&% who work at adobe.....

you can tell them something a 1000 times and they will still ignore you.

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hathawayep
By hathawayep (Dec 12, 2012)

13.0.2 x64 is available for download on the Adobe site. I use Windows 7 x64 and the download is for Macs. Someone using the Mac platform might see if this new update is available for standalone PS6.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Dec 12, 2012)

well this is just the retina update without the new features....

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R N
By R N (Dec 12, 2012)

I'm reasonably OK with new functionality waiting for new release. None of the new stuff pertains to my workflow anyway.

Definitely NOT OK with ACR updates being pushed out to the next major release. Support for new cameras for the standalone version of PS CS6 should continue to be updated while that version is the latest standalone version.

ACR support is where I draw the line and start thinking: can I get by with LR alone? Emergency cloning I can do in PSE, or a legacy version of PS (which will still work since I bought a standalone!)

Two main reasons I have not joined the cloud: 1) I want software that will still work even if my monthly cash flow craters. In this economy, it is a scenario to consider. 2) I think that the prices will escalate for the monthly subscription. How much? To me it is a significant risk.

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John Paul Bichard
By John Paul Bichard (Dec 12, 2012)

Totally agree: as a freelancer and someone who has very vocally supported photoshop and encouraged others to use it, I have, invested and re-invested in photoshop, upgrading when I could (usually ever second or third upgrade) which was always based on how my business has been running.

This stupid move breaks trust. It benefits many new customers who are just as likely to jump off the bandwagon in a year when prices rise. It makes me, a loyal customer, feel a bit foolish, a bit let down.

Keep in mind that creativity has been around for a lot longer than Adobe Creative Suite: that image making is reliant on a broad number of tools none of which are indispensable. Take away PS, I will still take photos, take away my camera, I will draw...

For your own sake Adobe, remember you are a company who makes tools. Look after all of your customers...

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

Beautifully stated John.

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nonuniform
By nonuniform (Dec 13, 2012)

When Adobe first announced their subscription model, I looked at the cost of the subscription versus stand alone updates, and every two years you would be buying a full version of Photoshop at $500 vs $199. So, it's obvious that this is a way for Adobe to squeeze new revenue from a mature product.

Forcing us to switch to the more expensive subscription model by not releasing features, especially ACR, to the standalone version will only shed customers. I get the feeling that Adobe isn't interested in the individual customer and figures that as long as it can make up for the lost revenue with increased cost to corporate subscription users then it's worth the risk.

In reality, it opens the door for competition. Which is fine by me.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 13, 2012)

Adobe now update on a yearly basis. In June 2011 Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen announced starting from then they were moving to an annual release cycle.

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AndyC105
By AndyC105 (Dec 13, 2012)

I think you'll find Adobe stated they would move to a two year cycle with a point release every year.

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R N
By R N (Dec 14, 2012)

Follow up -- Well, Adobe did release ACR update for PS CS6 standalone. It installed fine. So, hey: kudos, Adobe!

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Marcedwin
By Marcedwin (Dec 14, 2012)

Absolutly spot on. As a freelancer (webdesign/photography) this wioll cost me much more bucks. Used Adobe for over 10 years now. If there comes a good solution around the corner I will leave them.

If you go cloud (much more money!!) and you stop paying, you can't use the programs anymore. Are they MAD? Luckaly I have CS6 so I can keep on using that standalone.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Dec 12, 2012)

The ACC is only viable for those who take advantage of the multiple programs. I plan in a couple months to upgrade my computer and try their cloud service. I may drop the service or keep it. I currently use Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver and Acrobat. Should be interesting in the cloud.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Dec 12, 2012)

Maybe I will buy the academic suite after reading all the posts. Thanks.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

Two things I feel Adobe adeptly doesn't address:

1). If going the Cloud route, how much will monthly fees increase & how soon?

2). Will your computer be able to handle the latest upgrades? Cloud users have the option to not DL the latest. But when calculating whether or not it's worth it to go the subscription route, I wonder how many factor this into the equation.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Dec 12, 2012)

Canceling is always an option.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

True, but once committed, if you're more than a year's version back after Dec. 31, 2012, you're SOL & have to pay full price to own the software. Again. If you're past your first 30 days of subscription, you forfeit 50% of your remaining contract fees.

Then there's the issue of possibly not being able to access files you created using the Cloud software.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Dec 12, 2012)

Didn't know that.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

jmmgarza, there's a lot to sift through. I'm doing it because D-Day for my discounted upgrade from CS4 is fast approaching. I suggest perusing Adobe's Creative Cloud forums to see real feedback, the good and the bad.

The other thing I wasn't aware of is the copyright problems many are experiencing. Not pirated stuff, just things Adobe thinks are infringements for one reason or another. They scan your cloud shared files & if they feel something isn't apropro, they refuse you to share content. This could be a potential problem when sharing with clients.

Aside from their CC forums, 2 reads I found interesting:

http://www.drake.org.uk/2012/05/adobes-creative-cloud-cloud-service-scans-for-copyrighted-material/

http://blog.starcircleacademy.com/2012/09/creativecloud/

(sorry - I don't know how to make them hyperlinks like you can in the forums)

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Dec 12, 2012)

If Adobe's attempt at turning it's software into a monthly a subscription service instead of flat one time fee works, droves of software publishers will follow suit. Image paying multiple $20,$30,$50 monthly fees to use the software you are already using now. Image if every publisher were like adobe, pay monthly fee and get access to multiple titles. Sounds good until you want to use use one or two pieces of software from multiple publishers. Even if its just 3 or 4 different publishers, it is going be an expensive proposition.

Consider also Microsoft or Apple for example could charge a monthly fee to use their OS and a separate free for the office suit ect. Every different category of software could have it's own fee.

The only way to keep software affordable is for us consumers to reject the subscription model entirely.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Looking at the comments posted here and elsewhere... the rejection you are suggesting had pretty much already happened.

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Tom Goodman
By Tom Goodman (Dec 12, 2012)

Francis Carver: I sincerely hope you are correct, but for now the rejections are verbal only. It is worth noting "only" 137 comments have been posted, a relatively small number.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Dec 22, 2012)

@ Francis Carver

that is why they are resorting to such strong arm tactics. Denying updates to people who aren't on the cloud is a blatant attempt by Adobe to force something unwanted on their customers.

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Dec 12, 2012)

The suicidal instincts of arrogant companies really know no bounds.
The thing is, I am a photographer, and it does not take long at all for a photographer to realize that 95% of Photoshop trickery is completely irrelevant to serious work and that a lot of the program's features will actually make your work look bad.
Photoshop or no Photoshop? Who cares? There are tons of alternatives starting at about 20 bucks. Adobe isn't getting one monthly penny from me, though.

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (Dec 12, 2012)

Name some alternatives and I'll be happy to check them out.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Alternatives? Okay, let's start with -- COREL. There are plenty others one notch below that. Plus, it's a company that one can trust. I would not give any business to Adobe after this shameless act, never.

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mikes
By mikes (Dec 12, 2012)

Karl summers, You need to look at PSPX5.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

No competition to Adobe PS? You have gotta be kidding, right?

http://www.corel.com/corel/category.jsp?rootCat=cat20138&cat=cat3430093

And just look at the Corel prices -- nothing over $100. Nothing. In fact, even Corel PaintShop Pro X5 Ultimate costs only USD $50. So -- one month of Adobe on the cloud -- or your very own version of the competitors photo editing program? For the same exact money, I mean.

Hmmm, tough choice, huh?

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kelpdiver
By kelpdiver (Dec 12, 2012)

Indeed, Sam. Adobe in particular seems very willing to try outrageous stuff and then back out when people vote with their wallets. I did the math around CS6 in a box versus the $30 (12 months) and 50/month prices of the cloud suite and the upgrade box won. It won't be cost worthwhile to switch for a least 2 years...we'll see what they're up to then. But I can't see this going over well. Some customers like incremental costs, others prefer up front capital expenses. Adobe shouldn't be removing the choice.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

Francis Corel PaintShop Pro X5 Ultimate is still very much an amateur program. It's alright them saying the word pro in the title but it lacks so many features. If that is all the features you need fine but the majority of pro users will need a lot more than this.

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Dr_Jon
By Dr_Jon (Dec 13, 2012)

Of the free photo-editing programs I think PixBuilder Studio is excellent:
http://download.cnet.com/PixBuilder-Studio/3000-2192_4-74096.html

I use CS6 Extended, which I paid 900 quid for and now don't get the fixes to the crop tool in version 13.1, which I'm not happy about...

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atodzia
By atodzia (Dec 12, 2012)

Adobe is making a big mistake by doing this. I will never use the cloud. What happens when your internet is down?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

You would have been fine actually. Adobe's Cloud software phones home at intervals requiring you to be online once every 30 days.

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Dr_Jon
By Dr_Jon (Dec 13, 2012)

Well, unless you usually work on your desktop then grab your notebook, which you haven't used in a month, and head off to a customer site or holiday...

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Dec 12, 2012)

That's it. I'm switching to Nikon Capture NX2. (LOL)

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Steve Bingham
By Steve Bingham (Dec 12, 2012)

It looks like I will be living with PS CS6 for a long while - and electing to use something other than ACR which is pretty much overkill in a lot of respects. DXO and much cheaper raw converters will benefit from this. No longer will people use PS CSx and benefit from some new version of ACR (8.x). Piling greed upon greed will eventually cause Adobe a great many lost customers .

21 years ago I started using PS1 on a Mac, then switched to a PC with PS 2.5. I also taught it for 3 years at the college level. I can't help but wonder how many long term customers will choose to use older versions and abandon ACR. I know I will.

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TPeterson
By TPeterson (Dec 12, 2012)

Does this mean that even if I decide to purchase CS6 in January 2013 or so, that these updates won't be included? Wow!

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (Dec 12, 2012)

seems so.
Still hoping, that after gettig a whole lot of protest, they start to think again!
And when their brain is online again the could bring radial blur from PS 5 to PS CS 6.

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (Dec 12, 2012)

I wonder if Paint Shop Pro would be a viable alternative...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

An excellent alternative, indeed. At yet, available at a fraction of the price of what Greedy Adobe is demanding. Long live COREL!!!

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Dec 12, 2012)

Does it have non-destructive layers and nested layers yet. If so then I would be interested.

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Danny
By Danny (Dec 12, 2012)

I'll NEVER go for the cloud option. I use Photoshop since version 3! Adios Adobe.

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Robert Schambach
By Robert Schambach (Dec 12, 2012)

You guys are lucky, I have always upgraded Photoshop since version 4.0 up to version CS2 and then ran in in to some hard times and spiked a few upgrades and was forced to pay for a full copy of CS6. I am now living in Brazil and almost fell backwards when I saw that the price here is $1355 US Dollars. I read an interview of the president of Adobe here in Brazil and his reasoning for this completely exorbitant price is that here in Brazil there are a lot of pirated copies. So then I can only come to the conclusion that whoever pays this absurd price for a copy of Photoshop CS6 is a complete and total sucker, $550 Dollars is already an expensive price to pay for a peace of software but $1355 is a complete ripoff. So instead of me purchasing Photoshop CS6 at an honest price this price scheme or scam whatever you want to call it has turned me into a pirate. Here in Brazil every Adobe product is at least twice the price as in the US even the monthly membership fees. So Adobe screws us all.

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (Dec 12, 2012)

Yes, I am afraid they could put some legal users into pirates, when rhe only way gettig it without the cloud is stealing it.

By the way the european prices are the same as in Brazil, even in the UK. Here they tell us it is because of the more complicated marketing and the many translations.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Dec 12, 2012)

Great! this will be the end of photoshops dominance..

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Dec 12, 2012)

The problem is that there is no competition.

The only viable competition (including non-destructive adjustment layers and nested layers) should have been Serif Photoplus, but they evidently don't eat their own dog food (probably using PS instead) since there are long standing bugs and artificial llimitations (also useless features, such as batch mode processing that does not allow you to set settings for plugins) affecting basic functionality that have never been fixed or addressed. The program is unusable.

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aardvark7
By aardvark7 (Dec 12, 2012)

Although I agree with many of the 'greedy Adobe' comments, one has to appreciate that they are a business after all.

However, I don't understand the sense of using it at all!

If I had been a subscriber recently I would have been stuffed, as my broadband went down for almost 4 days. That would have been totally unacceptable and not even down to Adobe!

Cloud subscription for software is seriously flawed for this reason and I will never sign up.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

You would have been fine actually. Adobe's Cloud software phones home at intervals requiring you to be online once every 30 days. So the day before you internet went down it would have phoned home and the software would have worked fine for the next 30 days before having to phone home again.

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nicolas guilbert
By nicolas guilbert (Dec 12, 2012)

Cloud solutions doesn't work worldwide, Corporates believing it works everywhere are dreaming. Apple forced notes sync between devices over the cloud and trashed the old cable solution. It has been a headache at times for me living in Asia.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Stu 5, how is trolling this week?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

Frances I am not trolling. I am stating some basic facts about how the Cloud system works which quite a few people don't seem to be aware of. There are a lot of pricing options that people are not even aware of as DPR have not explained them in this article. As I said that is not trolling. If you can't deal with that then that is your problem.

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QSMcDraw
By QSMcDraw (Dec 12, 2012)

The only possible way of slowing this abhorrent exploitation is to refuse to subscribe and to put immense pressure on fellow photographers to do the same.

This effectively triples the price for those of us who upgrade every three years. Looks like Adobe is betting that at least one in three of current users will roll over on their bellies and subscribe, in which case Adobe still wins, as they save on DVD production and packaging. If more than one in three subscribes, it's all gravy.

Note that the subscription rate is "based on annual membership." Tell me there aren't plenty of users who go months without using a software product. Too bad, keep paying.

The apologists here remind me of misguided, cheerful victims of repressive regimes, including those of WWII.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

You are aware you can rent any one of their products on it's own either on a monthly basis over 12 months or for an odd month at a time as and when you need it? A lot of people on here don't seem to be aware of these options that came out after the original creative suite monthly subscription offer.

So in the UK for example I could subscribe to Photoshop CS6 for £17.58 a month for 12 months and then hire out Premiere for a month at a time any when I needed it for £27.34.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Stu 5, when did you start being employed by Adobe, please? Working in the Adobe PR Department, are we? :~))

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

No not in the Adobe PR dept and not for Adobe at all infact but I did read up on ALL the price options available and not just the ones listed in this article. When the cloud system came out as a professional photographer I could not justify paying for the full cloud service as a lot of it I would not use or not very often. Now that they introduced the option to pick and choose programs I can tailor it to suit me and in the UK compared to purchasing it outright the monthly subscriptions work out well.

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AndyC105
By AndyC105 (Dec 12, 2012)

As a long time license owner of Photoshop here's how I see it. Buying the physical upgrade costs around £200, monthly subscription pretty much doubles that given that Adobe are moving to new versions every two years.

I've also read reports that Adobe customer agents are now telling people that the next version of Photoshop will be subscription only. This model may well be attractive for new users, but gouges existing owners - a 100% price increase? As soon as there's a viable alternative sad to say I'm off. In the meantime I'll look closer at Pixelmator and others. Adobe can do whatever they want with pricing and I'm free to spend my money however I want too. Shame on you, Adobe.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 12, 2012)

Actually in June 2011 Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen announced henceforth they were moving to an annual release cycle.

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nonuniform
By nonuniform (Dec 13, 2012)

Adobe may well go to an annual release cycle, but if it's subscription only, then yes, the actual cost to me, the photographer is more than double my usual $199 upgrade every 2-3 years. The only new feature that has really made a difference to me has been content-aware fill. If they come out with one of those features every year, I would be impressed. Most likely, the updates will be a lot of bugfixes that we used to get for free.

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (Dec 12, 2012)

Software companies who cease to innovate and try to push their customers into subscription models can disappear very quickly. I remember Borland.

I look forward for a new fresh offer on the market place.

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Vallkar
By Vallkar (Dec 12, 2012)

Corel is the next best.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Corel products are already just as good as what Adobe can deliver, and for certain things, actually better. At only a fraction of the cost of Adobe products and now, perpetual and perpetually increasing cost subscription rates.

It's a venerable no-brainer, really.

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (Dec 12, 2012)

It has happend often that companys make up their minds when they get blown away by a social media s*** storm. It is funny how companys try to sell the "latest" technology without realizing that customers now can communicate.

Another point is, that they did everything to create that urge for the latest and newest feature in their customers and now try to make them jump ship with the same feeling.

Time for competition. If capitalism still works somehow a new product will emerge to fill the gap. I am happy to learn new features and better solutions. Without the Nikon - Canon war, cameras wouldn't be as good and affordable as they are now.

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QSMcDraw
By QSMcDraw (Dec 12, 2012)

Unfortunately, Capitalism is broken, having become corporate feudalism. Governments are simply instruments to protect fiefdoms at this point.

Cheers!

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Dec 12, 2012)

That's liberal capitalism. Conservative capitalism supports the small business, family farm, etc.

Thatcherism was to convert the conservatives/republicans to liberal, corrosive capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

<a ref="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism">distributism</a>

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Well said, people. Anyhow, go on corel.com and enjoy life once again. Who needs Adobe and their cloud-based misery, after all?

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Jorgen E
By Jorgen E (Dec 12, 2012)

I pay serious money to Adobe for my CS6 Production Premium suite, and this is the thanks I get? Is it really right and fair to prioritize those who RENT your product, over those who BUY it?

This is very close to unacceptable, Adobe!

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Dec 12, 2012)

maybe if you steal it they will even send a service guy over when you encounter a bug? ROTFL.....

the guys at adobe have lost their mind.

it´s funny how all people who make money doing PS tutorials praise the cloud subscription... while most customers seem to hate it.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 12, 2012)

guys it is simple!!

i have a friend in management at a software company.
and he told me why software companys like adobe or autodesk like the subscription model.

with the subscription model you HAVE TO PAY AS LONG as you want to use the software. that is the whole point...

no matter if they include new features in the software or if these features are usefull for you.... you have to PAY.

so when adobe releases very boring versions, with no features that would make you buy a new version.. you still have to pay.

and look what adobe does... minor updates... or updates to 3D and VIDEO only a few PS users are interested in. that´s why scott kelby is pushing the video features of PS whenever possible.

every PS release is less worthy to buy then the one before. did you notice that too?
PS is still great but i could be happy with CS4... only adobe does not support CAMERA RAW for this version anymore... suprise suprise!!

it would be very easy to make new ACR version work with CS4 too.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 12, 2012)

so why are the subscription model....?!

because adobe is over it´s "innovative zenith".

at this point it makes sense for adobe to switch to a subscription model.

because the next versions will not generate enough interest.
they will not have enough new features that justify to spend the money on a new PS version (true for many users with the actuall PS version already).

the result will be less income for adobe ... and unhappy shareholders.

subscription on the other site generates a steady flow of cash.

and because adobe knows that their new versions are less worthy to buy (true for many customers) .... they use ADOBE CAMERA RAW to force people to update.

ACR is more or less a import plugin... there is no problem to make it work with older photoshop versions.

hell.... small companys with 5 employees can update old plugins... but adobe can not?
adobe is telling you BS.... it´s to force you to buy new versions you don´t really need.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

Heck, Adobe's loss will be a welcomed gain by Corel and others.

http://www.corel.com/corel/

Gotta love the hyena-mentality capitalistic system, doncha? Here, the companies are trying to rip-off their own customers... but hey, customers got brain, too, and they walk and vote with their wallets. Fair and square, at the end.

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Bob Quinn
By Bob Quinn (Dec 12, 2012)

I see a lot of people angry with Adobe and calling them greedy. I also see a few people who can't understand why anyone should be upset with Adobe.

To the latter and Adobe: does it matter why they're mad or if they're justified? No, not really. All that really matters is that they ARE mad, there are a lot of them, and they say they intend to avoid being sucked down the money drain. I think they mean to do just what they're saying. I believe whoever is pushing the subscription model needs to go, and fast.

It looks like Adobe thinks people won't abandon them. Think again, Adobe.

One more thing: as a Mac owner and iPod Touch user, I can attest that you always get updates / upgrades / bug fixes for any and all apps for exactly $0.00. It's in the app creator's interest, or they wouldn't do it. Rovio (Angry Birds) for example does it (and makes money doing it) so why can't Adobe? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Wise up Adobe: charge less, make more.

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skytripper
By skytripper (Dec 12, 2012)

A very bad move on Adobe's part that is sure to anger users who shelled out hundreds of dollars for CS6. The only thing holding Adobe up at this point is the absence of a viable alternative to Photoshop.

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mladen_penev
By mladen_penev (Dec 12, 2012)

why there is no alternative to photoshop???
probably a lot of development and coding are the reasons.
but it's definitely time to do so. we need a better alternative asap!

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filipkrolupper
By filipkrolupper (Dec 12, 2012)

You have no idea how much work is hidden behind ;-) Adobe is a leader in development and research as well. They buy every young creative brain which they find on conferences. To tune up a single algorithm is 3 years of work for 2 guys.

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mladen_penev
By mladen_penev (Dec 12, 2012)

yes, that's true for sure. but we have a lot of angry customers, ant probably a lot of creative brains open for this kind of challenge.
i'm an experienced user, and have so many improvement ideas, also i know what i need in a software like this. so, i'm in the team, who's with me?:)

it needs to start somewhere.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 12, 2012)

adobe has a feedback site...

guess what the ideas with the most feedback are 3-4 years old and nothing happend....

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Dec 12, 2012)

No competition to Adobe PS? You have gotta be kidding, right?

http://www.corel.com/corel/category.jsp?rootCat=cat20138&cat=cat3430093

And just look at the Corel prices -- nothing over $100. Nothing. In fact, even Corel PaintShop Pro X5 Ultimarte costs only USD $50. So -- one month of Adobe on the cloud -- or your very own version of the competitors photo editing program? For the same exact money, I mean.

Hmmm, tough choice, huh?

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Joe Marques
By Joe Marques (Dec 12, 2012)

More typical behavior. PS used to be upgraded when they made actual improvements, now it's a revenue event with minor updates at best, given the "fixed" 18-month cycle. Stage 3 of the greed initiative is to reward subscribers ate the expense of purchasers - obviously creating an incentive for moving to the most favorable revenue model for Adobe. Just annoying that valuing the customer is a distant second behind $$$.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 12, 2012)

all power to the shareholders....

and clowns like jack nack from adobe will not stop a second to tell you why the subscription is good for you. it´s really sad....

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Vinnievinyl
By Vinnievinyl (Dec 12, 2012)

Looks like it is time to say good bye to Photoshop...

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morepix
By morepix (Dec 12, 2012)

I've had licenses for every version of Photoshop since Photoshop 5. And I feel put out by this new initiative, even though they have the right blah, blah, blah.

As I see it, rental is a good option for those who don't currently own Photoshop, assuming version upgrades every 1-1/2 years. It's not a good deal for current owners under the same conditions. Now if Adobe would buy back my license for PS CS6, I'd be glad to rent. Barring that, I feel insulted at special goodies for renters.

Someone further down this thread mentioned a slap in the face. That's how I feel too. But I certainly wouldn't threaten to abandon ship because of it. Guess I'll just turn the other cheek.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

That was me about the slap in the face. But I didn't say I'd abandon ship. I was giving my take in answering someone asking why many of us felt the way we did.

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morepix
By morepix (Dec 12, 2012)

I know you didn't threaten to defect, but numerous others did. Sorry I didn't make that distinction clearer. Anyway, it's the pits, isn't it?!

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

Hi morepix, I didn't think you meant me, I'm sorry too if I didn't make myself clear. I said that just to clarify overall. No worries & yes, it's definitely the pits!

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Dec 13, 2012)

morepix did you buy CS6 outright or was it an upgrade? It's just that subscribers getting the new features on a ongoing basis as they are developed and people purchasing outright not getting that option is not news. It was mentioned in Macuser magazines review of Creative Suite 4 in May of this year. So it was public knowledge at least 7 months ago.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 13, 2012)

Just because it was public knowledge doesn't make it right. Who do you think has supported Adobe prior to the Cloud? It may not get us the same updates, but considering how much we have invested in Adobe's products, I do think we have a right to feel poorly treated & to voice our discontent.

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Marcedwin
By Marcedwin (Dec 14, 2012)

Only need to find a great solution for Dreamweaver and I'm gone. Corel for photo/video/illustrator and bye bye Adobe.

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BHPhotog
By BHPhotog (Dec 12, 2012)

Everybody is getting their knickers in a twist about "owning" vs. "renting" software through the Cloud. What makes you think you "own" PS now? Adobe owns it, lets you use it, and can withdraw that use at any time either through modification or simply denial of service. Why do you think you're a "user" and not a "customer?" This new move is causing a kerfuffle because Adobe isn't even pretending to be acting in your interest.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Dec 12, 2012)

you don´t get the whole picture.

with subscription you have less freedom.
and adobe can be very lazy... because you have to pay anyway if you want to use the software.

i could be happy with my CS4 version until today.. but NO i was FORCED to buy CS5 and CS6.

and the "you save money with the subscription model" argument does not really count..
i only "save" money because i am forced by adobe anyway, to buy every new version (because of ACR). it´s an evil an manipulative strategy...

a better, customer oriented, company would not force you to spend a few hundred dollars just to have the latest ACR plugin.

i would not complain if they charge a bit for ACR updates for older CS versions. that would be a customer friendly move!!!

look at autodesk and how hated the subscription model there is.
you really have no clue what the future holds....

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nonuniform
By nonuniform (Dec 13, 2012)

It's true, the click-through license that we all take for granted specifically says we don't own our boxed version of Photoshop.

On the other hand, I could disconnect my computer forever and keep using the app for as long as wanted.

The subscription model simply enforces the existing terms and adds an extra cost on top of it, just for fun.

I can see people using Photoshop on a casual, month-to-month basis, hell, I might even do that if I'm forced to.

I could see myself using another, far cheaper app for daily use, LR, and then renting PS for a month if I need some specific feature. Eventually, I'd find an alternative and stop using PS completely.

The subscription model is completely aimed at corporate users.

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digitallollygag
By digitallollygag (Dec 12, 2012)

Bye, bye Adobe. There are other fish in the vast ocean.

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Jim Lewis
By Jim Lewis (Dec 12, 2012)

I don't quite understand what all the bitching is about. I've owned Photoshop since version 6 (pre-CS) and don't recall that we ever got updates for anything except bug corrections and updates to ACR. The new continuous update process is something that was offered to those who wanted to go on the Creative Cloud plan. To some, that feature and access to other creative tools is worth the cost. To others, it's not and you get the latest and greatest when CS7 is released, just as we have in the past. You take your pick and pay for what you want. I went with the Cloud membership for access to other tools and the fact that I'm no longer platform-dependent. In the long term, it may not be worth it to me, and I'll have to decide before CS7 comes out.

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Gary Goodenough
By Gary Goodenough (Dec 12, 2012)

If you RENT Photoshop CS6 you get ALL the new features to use right now.

If you bought a PhotoshopCS6 license you get them when Adobe allows you to get them. Right now the purchased license only upgrades only new feature is looks good on an Apple retina display.

Here is the quote for what buyer's get: "Enables support for new HiDPI displays on the Macintosh platform for a dramatic improvement in image fidelity and resolution."

Adobe wants us to rent not buy.

What do I do with the CS6 licenses I own. Start renting CS6?

Non-adobe link (MacUpdate.com) to what purchasers get for their dollars for the lesser upgrade: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/13553/adobe-photoshop-cs6

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Jman13
By Jman13 (Dec 12, 2012)

One other thing - Why doesn't Adobe offer subscription per product as well? If "Photoshop Cloud" was available for $12 a month or something for people who already own a previous version, I wouldn't mind nearly as much. Why must I pay huge amounts of cash for products I will NEVER use, just so I get current updates to the ONE product I care about.

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onlooker
By onlooker (Dec 12, 2012)

One sensible comment in this litanny of "greed" cries, as if companies were in business of providing charity. Yes, I agree, allow people to buy "the whole cloud" or individual products.

BTW, to those crying about "over the WAN?" - you don't load it from the cloud every time you run it, fer crying out loud. You install it on you computer. Read the damned description of the service.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

I can't speak for others but for me it feels like a slap in the face.

This isn't a greed cry. The updates exist and we know it. Many have loyally plunked down large chunks of hard earned money over the years, helping support Adobe, only to find ourselves being blown off. Color me nuts, but that doesn't sit right with me.

I'm peeved because these upgrades are to CS6, not 6.5 nor even 7. They should be available to ALL purchasers of CS6. Both sides have PAID. Many paid a heck of a lot more than Cloud subscribers. Why not also support the purchasing base that helped build Adobe in the first place? To me, that's good business. You don't thumb your nose at loyal purchasers as though they are no longer worth your time. Or if you do, don't expect there not to be backlash or in some cases, lost loyalty.

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technotic
By technotic (Dec 12, 2012)

You can subscribe to single products for $19.99/month.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

Except in my case, I use more than just PS. I'm kind of in the middle as far as how many products I use & whether or not the Cloud costs would be cheaper. I don't like not owning my software but financial hardship may force me that way & that chaps my hide no end. Also to consider: None of us know how high the monthly fees will become. Once you're sucked in, there's no going back if you have an older version no longer being allowed a discount upgrade.

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Jman13
By Jman13 (Dec 12, 2012)

Adobe is becoming more and more ridiculous. I upgraded from CS5 to CS6 because there were several very nice features I found useful, and the overall speed improvements were substantial. However, if they continue the 'only one version upgrade' and things like this, then I will have purchased my last version of Photoshop.

I've paid for 7, CS2, CS5 and CS6 and after that much money, to be conned into spending an absolutely OUTRAGEOUS cost of $50 a month, when all I need is PHotoshop is just nuts. Yeah, hmm...I can buy an upgrade every year to two years for $200, or I can spend $600 a year for the same thing. Nuts. Absolutely nuts.

CS6 works great, and the only thing that I will miss from not going to CS7 will be the native RAW transfer from Lightroom to Photoshop. Well, buying new hard drives for all the in-transit TIFs is a heck of a lot cheaper than this Creative Cloud crap.

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Finewoody
By Finewoody (Dec 12, 2012)

Adobe.......... good to see that greed is alive and well.
I paid big money upfront for an application, it is not unreasonable to expect updates to be included within the CS6 release life cycle. Now to learn that updates will only be available to Creative Cloud subscribers is beyond unreasonable.
Adobe get your head out of the Creative Cloud and return to looking after your user base in a fair and reasonable manner.
GIMP is looking good.

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. As reported at MacNN:
When listing the updates detailed today, they end with "The updates should become universal in the non-Cloud release of Photoshop CS7".

Link: http://www.macnn.com/articles/12/12/11/extra.photoshop.features.currently.limited.to.cloud.subscribers/

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arry_girl
By arry_girl (Dec 12, 2012)

If this is true, according to Adobe's current upgrade schedule, this means no universal upgrades until 2014!

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fuego6
By fuego6 (Dec 12, 2012)

Major greed... although I don't mind the concept of subscription software in general - not providing updates to ALL paying customers is just wrong. If they keep this up - here is one more user ready to jump to another product!

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Steve Bingham
By Steve Bingham (Dec 12, 2012)

Yuck! Greed, plain and simple. They do this because they can. . . . for now! Remember Kodak? Fuji Film? HP? Zerox? General Electric? Motorola? Decca?

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itsastickup
By itsastickup (Dec 12, 2012)

They effectively have a monopoly so they feel that they can get away with this kind of arrogance towards their customers.

Perhaps they can but many of their customers will have felt this deeply; and won't forget.

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bills_pix
By bills_pix (Dec 12, 2012)

Many companies are going this way so they can even out their cash flows and still get revenue from the people who would skip an upgrade.

As a former Adobe reseller I knew there was a huge concern that customers would not upgrade at each revision. Take a look at the recent changes to the upgrade policy. It used to be you could purchase the upgrade for virtually any version of PS ever produced. Slowly Adobe has tightened up and significantly reduced the number of earlier versions that qualify for an upgrade.

If you think Adobe is your friend and making these decisions for your benefit you are sorely mistaken. It is purely a revenue and profit maximizing decision demanded by the shareholders.

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onlooker
By onlooker (Dec 12, 2012)

> If you think Adobe is your friend and making these decisions for your benefit you are sorely mistaken. It is purely a revenue and profit maximizing decision

And you don't think healthy company is good for the customers?

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bills_pix
By bills_pix (Dec 12, 2012)

A healthy company or a greedy company? It can be a fine line.

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