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Sigma USA announces $899 price for 35mm F1.4 DG HSM prime lens

By dpreview staff on Nov 7, 2012 at 08:00 GMT
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Sigma USA has announced the price and availability details of the 35mm F1.4 DG HSM it unveiled at Photokina 2012. The 35mm F1.4, which will be available for Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax and Sigma DSLRs, is compatible with both full-frame and APS-C cameras. It will have an estimated street price of $899, making it significantly less expensive than the big-brand competition. Sigma UK, meanwhile, has announced an SRP of £799.99. The lens is the first of Sigma's 'Global Vision' lineup, representing the 'Art' category of enthusiast-grade lenses.


Press Release:

Sigma Corporation of America’s 35mm F1.4 DG HSM now available

First Global Vision lens arrives in U.S. for $899

Ronkonkoma, NY, November 7, 2012Sigma Corporation of America, a leading researcher, developer, manufacturer and service provider of some of the world's most impressive lines of lenses, cameras and flashes, is pleased to announce that the first lens of its new Global Vision lineup, the 35mm F1.4 DG HSM, is now available for the street price of $899.

The 35mm F1.4 DG HSM, is designed for photographers who want to achieve creative, dramatic effects in their photographs. As the first lens released under Sigma’s new Art line, it will feature a new matte finish and overall new design concept, which includes a clearly defined category label on every new lens. This 35mm wide-angle lens with a maximum aperture of 1.4 ensures outstanding performance in low light, and a stunning bokeh background effect to emphasize the subject.

“We’re thrilled to break into this category of lenses with a product from our new Global Vision,” said Mark Amir-Hamzeh, president of Sigma Corporation of America. “We’re confident that our A1 quality control system, coupled with the industry’s first USB dock, will differentiate our lens in the category. Since it’s so versatile – ideal for scenes including landscapes, portraits, close-ups and studio photography – we think that it will be a hit.”

Other features of the new 35mm F1.4 DG HSM include:

  • One “F” Low Dispersion (FLD) glass lens and four Special Low Dispersion (SLD) glass lenses to ensure exceptional correction of lateral and axial chromatic aberration, the latter of which cannot be corrected in post production
  • A floating inner focus system to provide extremely high optical performance for close-up photos
  • Super Multi-Layer Coating to reduce flare and ghosting and provide sharp and high contrast images even in backlit conditions
  • A HSM (Hyper Sonic Motor) that ensures high speed, accurate and quiet AF
  • Rubber incorporated into the attachment part of the lens hood, and an improved redesign of the lens cap and AF / MF changeover switch have been improved
  • Thermally Stable Composite (TSC), which has high affinity to metal parts, that are housed internally, increases overall functionality, lifespan, and quality of the lens
  • A rounded 9 blade diaphragm creates an attractive blur to the out-of-focus areas of the image
  • A newly developed USB dock, which will be sold separately and exclusively for new product lines, can be paired with new Sigma Optimization Pro software to update the lens firmware and adjust parameters, such as micro focus adjustment 

All of Sigma's manufacturing – right down to molds and parts – is carried out under an integrated production system, based entirely in Japan. Sigma is now one of the very few manufacturers whose products are solely made in Japan. Every 35mm F1.4 DG HSM will be checked using Sigma’s own MTF measuring system, “A1,” as will all new lenses under the Global vision categories. This system uses 46-megapixel Foveon direct image sensors to pick up previously undetectable high-frequency details for quality control inspections.

The Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM will be available in Sigma, Sony (D), Nikon (D), Pentax and Canon mounts.

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Total comments: 179
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UndeadHunter
By UndeadHunter (Dec 16, 2012)

There is a very good review here:

http://www.lenstip.com/index.html?test=obiektywu&test_ob=359

By all accounts this lens beats nearly all competition across all criteria including in many cases the Zeiss.

I can't wait to get one.

These new Sigma lenses are going to give the primary producers some much needed competition. As does the Samyang in many categories. I very nearly ordered a Zeiss, glad to same the money.

Tony

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rpavich
By rpavich (Feb 2, 2013)

I just got one and it's an amazing lens...truly a great lens, deadly sharp, almost no CA and the bokeh is very nice.

Believe what they are saying about this lens.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (Nov 26, 2012)

There now needs to be information from Sigma and Canon as well as Sony as to whether they are using regular or lead-free solders. Nikon admits it does and marks new equipment with an arrowed 10 logo to indicate a lifespan of around a decade before the circuits become both unusable and irrepairable.

Is the Sony A99 time-limited and the Mark II and III 5D Canons and the 1Ds series including the new 1Dx?

I believe prospective purchasers are entitled to know, as they can last less than a decade due to the solder sprouting "Tin Whiskers" (NASA)

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vincenzo_filippo
By vincenzo_filippo (Nov 15, 2012)

Again, can you post the prices in Euro too? I'm a little bit disappointed ...

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (Nov 15, 2012)

RRP is €950

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PinkBallon
By PinkBallon (Nov 11, 2012)

Love the new minimalist design!!! Great to see the tacky gold embalishments gone.

1 upvote
NalaKing
By NalaKing (Nov 10, 2012)

Seems to be really promising..
Hope Sigma will put a signature badge ( coloured ) on to differentiate it from it's rivals.

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Spectro
By Spectro (Nov 10, 2012)

man i was hoping it would be around 700 and that would be a no brainer to get.

1 upvote
Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 10, 2012)

Added the Canon.

Nikon 35mm F1.4G vs Canon 35mm f1.4L vs Sigma 35mm F1.4

Elements 10 vs 11 vs 13
Groups 7 vs 9 vs 11
Filter 67mm vs 72mm vs 77mm
Weight 600g vs 580g vs 665g
Special Elements (one aspherical) vs (1 aspherical) vs(1 FLD and 4 SLD elements)
Price $1620 vs $1329 vs $899 (current amazon price)

Canon stops down to F22, sigma and nikon go to F16.
Canon has 8 Blades, Sigma and nikon have 9

Canon has red ring, nikon has gold ring, sigma has no rings.

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callaesthetics
By callaesthetics (Nov 10, 2012)

Sigma has a 67mm filter thread

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 10, 2012)

Nikon 35mm F1.4G vs Sigma 35mm F1.4

Elements 10 vs 13
Groups 7 vs 11
Filter 67mm vs 77mm
Weight 600g vs 665g
Special Elements (one aspherical) vs (1 FLD and 4 SLD elements)
Price $1620 vs $899 (current amazon price)

Comparing the MTF charts. Assuming the same LP/MM (not specified on sigma chart) The sigma seems to have more contrast (aka sharpness) on the center and keeps up with nikon on the edge. Bokeh looks to have the same characteristic but we will have to wait for side by side image samples.

If the construction and focus is nailed, we might have a winner lens. Better than the Nikon but half the price. I owned both nikon and canon 35mm. The canon L is quite good and very small compared to both of these lenses. I would expect the sigma to do quite well vs the Canon L. We have to wait and see if the color is good and if the quality is consistent. USB dock seems to be a great way to calibrate lens without having to send it back in. Canon and Nikon...time to think about a refresh.

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probert500
By probert500 (Nov 27, 2012)

Sharpness and contrast are not equivalent. Also the canon is quite a large lens. The 35 f2 is small. For really small you have to look at olympus on zuiko.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 10, 2012)

MTF charts out yet?

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Roskis2000
By Roskis2000 (Nov 8, 2012)

It seems my local camerashop is providing this @ 699€
Bying one for sure.

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Dhabits
By Dhabits (Nov 9, 2012)

Can you please provide a link, name or something?

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Roskis2000
By Roskis2000 (Nov 9, 2012)

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/4952/djqgc/Sigma-35-mm-F1-4-DG-HSM-objektiivi-Nikon

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Nov 10, 2012)

This site has MTF charts! Thanks for the link.

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David Emery
By David Emery (Nov 8, 2012)

Min Focusing: 30 cm/11.8"

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bricci_mn
By bricci_mn (Nov 8, 2012)

Sorry, but what's the big issue in the conversion from US$ 899 to UK£ 799???
also by adding a big 25% of taxes it would not cost much more than UK£ 705 or EUR 885 in the worst case...
Why the hell are still there those differences??? :(

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StyleZ7
By StyleZ7 (Nov 8, 2012)

In real life there's never such a difference

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 8, 2012)

1) The costs of importing/distributing and supporting products costs different amounts in different countries.

2) Different local markets work differently (so the street price may end up much lower than the MSRP in some territories).

3) In a free market system, price is based on what you think people will be willing to pay. If it's thought the UK will buy at a higher price, the seller will do so.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Nov 11, 2012)

Also: U.S. prices are stated without sales tax, while European consumer prices include the "value added tax". And VAT rates in European countries are oftentimes large compared to the typical U.S. sales tax.

Comment edited 23 seconds after posting
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JDThomas
By JDThomas (Nov 8, 2012)

Sigma has proved before that they have the ability to outdo Nikon with some of their prime lenses. The 50mm f/1.4 being a good example. I have no doubt that this lens will at least be equal with the Nikon version. Sigma is stepping up to become a major player in the lens market.

Of course this Sigma lens has a polycarbonate body as opposed to a magnesium one like the Nikon, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Lighter weight and lower price. Most people don't seem to mind that most entry to mid-level cameras are made out of polycarbonate. The stuff is strong.

This will be my next lens purchase. I hope they come out with a 24mm f/1.4 soon.

4 upvotes
candleJack
By candleJack (Nov 8, 2012)

And btw, the outside shell of the Canon 35L is plastic as well.

4 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (Nov 8, 2012)

i dropped by sigma 50 1.4 on concret multiple times and this @#$# is still good. just a small chip on the lenshood hinge.

also, i don't think any wedding photographers would be willing to choose heavy equipments over light ones and again we don't need weathersealing~~ i just need a light, fast, AF reliable lens...

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Nov 9, 2012)

So just becouse you audijam don't need weathersealing you draw conclusion that nobody needs it...?
Are you aware that there are other people on this planet too ?

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (Nov 21, 2012)

And other people will buy other products, that's why there's a variety of choices these days

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Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (Nov 8, 2012)

Well well... Good cop (Sigma) vs bad cop (Canon) in pricing terms. Now, let's wait for the reviews - I am curious about: sharpness (vs competition)/ front&back focus issues on Canon bodies (if any). Cheers! :)

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (Nov 8, 2012)

Garbage. I'll give you $299 for a f2.8. Providing it's better than the 25 year old Canon and Nikon offerings.

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audijam
By audijam (Nov 8, 2012)

okay give me one

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Dan
By Dan (Nov 8, 2012)

$299? If Nikon can give us a 35mm F1.8 crop lens that almost covers a full-frame sensor for $199 (and it does cover the entire full-frame sensor at close distances), I see no reason why a full-frame version shouldn't cost only a little more. But of course they would never do that because they don't want to hurt the sales of their expensive lenses.

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probert500
By probert500 (Nov 27, 2012)

The canon 35 f2 is a good lens. You can buy them new or look for a 25 year old one.

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audijam
By audijam (Nov 8, 2012)

i want this lens...i want all Sigma lens could be calibrated by using the USB dock so we could do it at home.

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StyleZ7
By StyleZ7 (Nov 8, 2012)

All new ones will be. Sigma will remake or renew all it's lineup in some time, and new lenses will get this new looks, new categorization and USB port.

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smileblog
By smileblog (Nov 8, 2012)

Okay..

Is anybody here who needs that "A" on the lens?

I expected it's a removable seal or something.
Because the lens itself is promising and looks good, I'm a bit sad.

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Shinsei
By Shinsei (Nov 8, 2012)

It is completely right.
The only dissatisfaction is only "A".

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philippaopao
By philippaopao (Nov 8, 2012)

So does this mean that it will drive down the prices of the "big three" 35mm 1.4 lenses from Canon, Nikon and Sony? I was planning to buy the 35L today but this news came in. I wouldn't really justify the high cost of 35L, or other OEM 35mm 1.4 lenses for that matter, if this particular lens would perform even just marginally better in terms of sharpness and control of CA (regardless of whether the QC is still crapola or not). So what will be the difference considering the cheaper price?

And yes, I hate waiting. I wish I hadn't read this news actually. :c

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Nov 8, 2012)

Compare the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 to the Canon and Nikon versions. I've heard it's quite close to the Nikon but still a bit behind overall. It's not uncommon to pay a lot for that last bit of performance. If history repeats itself, this Sigma, even if it's very good, won't affect any other manufacturer's prices in the least.

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Shanekua
By Shanekua (Nov 19, 2012)

Actually the 85mm 1.4 by sigma really pretty comparable to the Nikkor and Sony equivalents.

http://www.lenstip.com/277.11-Lens_review-Sigma_85_mm_f_1.4_EX_DG_HSM_Summary.html

I have the canon mount version and have compared it to the 85L. Yes the L wins by a hair's breadth but i'm guessing 99.9% of people won't be able to tell.

But you're right that the Original manufacturer prices probably won't drop much, although probably not for the reasons you've stated. More like there will always be people who will *ONLY* buy Canon-Nikon-Sony and will pay premium prices for that privilege; empirical evidence be damned.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (Nov 7, 2012)

I hope this means that the 17-70mm F/2.8 will be out soon as well... I hear that the optics have been improved and that a wider range at F/2.8 is expected.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Nov 7, 2012)

Computer-aided design. Modern manufacturing techniques and materials science. Yes, this is a high-spec lens and we have auto-focus, but it amazes how much these modern SLR lenses cost.

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Nov 8, 2012)

Lots of R&D, lots of tight tolerance components, lots of tooling and fixturing for assembly and testing, a very involved assembly process, a number of middle men, and the kicker, fairly low volumes (for a consumer product).

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (Nov 7, 2012)

Is it safe to think that Sigma is going to redo many of their current lens lineup and bring them into the new Global Vision Lineup? (with the S, A and C thing?)

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audijam
By audijam (Nov 8, 2012)

don't worry...sigma's design normally has a short life..

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Ahmet Hudayioglu
By Ahmet Hudayioglu (Nov 7, 2012)

When it will be available in Miami?, does anyone have a suggestion for store?

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Bosman Photography
By Bosman Photography (Nov 7, 2012)

Just noticed a serial number middle right directly above the sigma name. For an "Art Series lens that looks this good it seems odd to put it there.

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paulbysea
By paulbysea (Nov 7, 2012)

Why is it odd to have a serial number there? Seems sensible to me as it would be obvious if the number had been tampered with, therefore less likely to be stolen.

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Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Nov 7, 2012)

Is this a APS-C or Full Frame lens, the USB dock is APS-C?

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OZMEN70
By OZMEN70 (Nov 7, 2012)

It is DG lens.. means FF also for crop :)

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eyefuse
By eyefuse (Nov 7, 2012)

Interesting deal.

But did you notice that it looks like a Sony CarlZeiss design. New style?

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

we just mentioned the style a dozend times.... so yes i guess we noticed.

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eyefuse
By eyefuse (Nov 7, 2012)

By "we", you mean the people who have time to read 110 comments and then write "wise" commets at other peoples first impressions?

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Nov 7, 2012)

Yes, Eyefuse...didn't you know that you should read all 300 comments before offering your thoughts...sheesh.
Come on...give Henry his little victories...it makes some people feel good to belittle others.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

well clown... YOU have time to come here every day and write the obvious.

so your comment is a bit redicilous....

Comment edited 53 seconds after posting
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boothrp
By boothrp (Nov 7, 2012)

And Henry's spelling is even worse.

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Suave
By Suave (Nov 7, 2012)

I did think Sigma was waiting for Canon to name it's prices. Now let's wait for reviews and lower prices.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Nov 7, 2012)

I get flack when I question if an expensive item is made in Japan. Now, even Sigma is eager to reassure you it is. There's nothing wrong with China or Thailand but at these prices you're paying for Japan. Not a fan of Sigma but it does look like the are trying to improve the QC.

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acidic
By acidic (Nov 7, 2012)

Japan and Germany are the only two countries capable of manufacturing high quality optics. Some photo products might be made in China or Thailand, but the lens elements were almost certainly manufactured in Japan.

China probably will have this capability soon enough.

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Juck
By Juck (Nov 7, 2012)

>>Japan and Germany are the only two countries
>>capable of manufacturing high quality optics.

That is the stupidest statement I've seen all day,, and I saw Donald Trump's twitter feed earlier.

Comment edited 29 seconds after posting
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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

well i worked for a company who makes the optics for americas war drones and missiles... and this company is located in germany. :-)

Comment edited 34 seconds after posting
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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

someone correct me here....

but afaik the MTF chart for sigma lenses is for f1.4 not the usual f8 correct?

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HBowman
By HBowman (Nov 7, 2012)

You are correct. All SIGMA measures are done Wide Open.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (Nov 7, 2012)

Big and heavy Sigma 35mm F/1.4 DG HSM or light and compact Canon 35mm F/2 IS USM? Nice try Sigma, but I'll go with the Canon lens. Thanks anyway.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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TruePoindexter
By TruePoindexter (Nov 7, 2012)

Comparing an f/2 small prime vs a large f/1.4 prime? That's an odd comparison. Compare this against the Nikon 35mm f/1.4 G or Canon EF 35mm f/1.4 L because those are its competitors. The point of these larger lenses is the large 1.4 aperture. If you don't need it and are fine with f/2 than these lenses were never a consideration for you anyway.

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Light Pilgrim
By Light Pilgrim (Nov 7, 2012)

How is Sigma big and heavy? I have Zeiss 35 f/1.4 ZE which is 200 grams heavier and it is bigger and has no AF:-) and costs 2.5 times more

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Nov 7, 2012)

This Sigma has a usb dock with which you can customise the lens to level to which none other lens on market can be done. Also the weight of this lens is from that extra stop on aperture which means a lot glass to move.

2 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 7, 2012)

Yeah, who need an extra stop for the same price?

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Nov 7, 2012)

Considering this is half the price of the Sony 35mm F1.4 G, I think I will have a look at it.

Comment edited 47 seconds after posting
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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

oh the clueless.....

compare the MTF chart to that of the EF 35mm f1.4 L !

and keep in mind sigmas chart shows f1.4 performance.

Comment edited 52 seconds after posting
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qianp2k
By qianp2k (Nov 7, 2012)

But f/1.4 makes a big difference in portrature with a FF camera. I agree Caon 35/2.0 IS USM is a better choice as a walk-around street photography lens. Glad Sigma provides a much affordable alternative.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (Nov 9, 2012)

You really need couple of lessons in physics and mathematics before you can even comprehend why is there a size difference.
Now shut of your computer and start looking for some classes so you don't embarrass your self as often in future.

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JackM
By JackM (Nov 7, 2012)

As a 35L owner, this just looks like "more of the same" but with a lower price. That is, it looks about as big and heavy as the 35L. I'm way more tempted by the 35/2 IS for the reduced size and weight. Handling my camera with the 35L on it is not that much different than with the 24-70L. I loved the handling with my old 35/2, but I went to the L for the autofocus. Now that the new 35/2 has USM and better MTF, I think I'll switch back and pocket a few bucks.

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TruePoindexter
By TruePoindexter (Nov 7, 2012)

That's the point of this lens though - an alternative to the Canon/Nikon/Sony/Zeiss lenses at a cost reduction and near equivalent performance. The Canon lens is around $1500. the Nikon is about $1600. The Sony is around $1500. The Zeiss is around $1800. At $900 this lens is very competitive.

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HBowman
By HBowman (Nov 7, 2012)

Not only competitive. MTF certified in the box, done wide open, and superior to the Nikkor ... This is a must have ;)

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nikon1983
By nikon1983 (Nov 8, 2012)

+1. waiting since photokina.

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futile32
By futile32 (Nov 7, 2012)

is the HSM available on the Sony mount?

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Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Nov 7, 2012)

Yes, it says so in the press release. I personally have two other Sigma HSM lens for my Alphas

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LFLee
By LFLee (Nov 7, 2012)

nice lens, very good looking lens.
but for $900, I think they would use metal for the body...

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 7, 2012)

some complain about the weight some want full metal.... well you see customers are a pain in the a....

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Suave
By Suave (Nov 7, 2012)

Why? Modern polymers are just as tough.

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nikon1983
By nikon1983 (Nov 8, 2012)

did you see metal skin on 24/1.4 or 35/1.4?

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topstuff
By topstuff (Nov 7, 2012)

Nice lens. Very promising.

Its good to see they are supporting Sony and Pentax mounts too. We need a really healthy, competitive digital imaging sector for the benefit of consumers, lest Canikon get complacent and take the consumer for granted.

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Nov 7, 2012)

Not so sure about Sigma. I bought a 24mm 1.8EX DG back in 2000 for my Canon Elan II. The lens worked great on that and my EOS 3, but when I went digital it didn't work properly on my 20D nor my 5D, or later on my 1DS2. Now that I have a 5D2 the lens seems to work again but all the previous DSLR's the AE didn't work properly.

I sent countless emails to Sigma over the years to get the lens rechipped but they never responded to any of my emails. I think I'll stick with Canon thanks.

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Thorbard
By Thorbard (Nov 7, 2012)

The need for rechipping is well known with the (non-DG!) lenses on digital bodies, but them not responding to emails is pretty poor form.

I've had good customer service from them in the past so maybe it is a regional thing.

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pavi1
By pavi1 (Nov 7, 2012)

You should have sent the lens for calibration.

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mgblack74
By mgblack74 (Nov 7, 2012)

Things change in 12 years. But answering an email is a must, at minimum. I went off Sigma but this is the first lense that may bring me back. Looking forward to the reviews.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 7, 2012)

sigma normaly has a good customer services..

when you get no response you either life in a third world country with bad sigma support or your emails did not reach sigma.

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HBowman
By HBowman (Nov 7, 2012)

Actually, in my country (France) SIGMA customer service is the best. It is not my personal opinion, it the reality of camera sellers. for them, SIGMA service is the best.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

clint dunn is just telling nonsense.

who knows to whom he send his emails.... lol.

Comment edited 31 seconds after posting
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hansolo82
By hansolo82 (Nov 7, 2012)

Anyone know if it's weathersealed, they keep talking about higher built quality but I can't seem to find about this important aspect!

Also, anyone else noticed their new QC system uses an APS-C sensor to test quality of a FF lens! Hope they move that sensor around to account for the full image circle!

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Thorbard
By Thorbard (Nov 7, 2012)

It was suggested that Sigma were introducing this on some lenses, but nothing more specific of yet.

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Bosman Photography
By Bosman Photography (Nov 7, 2012)

I don't think it is given it is an art series not a sports series. If it does that will mean several more buyers i would think.

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

Having buildt my own digital devices and many lens systems in some cases making the element groups, do not from the specifications, understand why this lens, a minimalist design composed mostly of plastic should retail for so much money.

A lens with less manual control, more dependent on power and with the removal of the aperture ring, less of a professional tool.

■One “F” Low Dispersion (FLD) glass lens...

All the elements are small in diameter, easy to work, not too hard to polish.

■A floating inner focus...

The lens has some close focus capacity, nothing new.

■Super Multi-Layer Coating...

Nothing new.

■A HSM (Hyper Sonic Motor)...

Nothing new, or expensive.

■Rubber incorporated...

Compensation for using low stacking tolerance plastic.

■Thermally Stable Composite (TSC)...

Better plastic, but still plastic.

■A rounded 9 blade diaphragm...

No pats for doing what you should.

■A newly developed USB dock...

Marketing gizmo, no value to optics. Additional $10 to the BOM?

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Nov 7, 2012)

Would love to hear your thoughts on the recently announced Nikon and Canon lenses if you think this one’s surprisingly expensive!

This one has two large-diameter aspherical elements (front and rear), more ED glass elements, and more elements full stop (thirteen) than any 35 mm f/1.4 by Nikon, Canon, or Zeiss – all of which, incidentally, cost much more.

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EDWARD ARTISTE
By EDWARD ARTISTE (Nov 7, 2012)

nice breakdown. I would imagine though that no gear manufacturer wants to lower the price threshold that currently exists, regardless of price to build. and honestly, they are priced more in the comfortable zone as opposed to canon, who is acting all kinds of price crazy right now

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (Nov 7, 2012)

Economics my friend. You don't base your pricing on manufacturing cost. Its the perceived value placed by consumers who are willing to pay this sort of price and all the camera and lens manufacturers need to maximize their profit margins. They are for profit businesses after all right.

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

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Hello Samuel

The lens prices coming from Nikon, Canon, … in some cases are abusive. Much of that philosophy I suspect being simple industry exploitation, along with excessive development cost, mixed with the consolidation (loss competition) in the number of glass producers. Compounding the issue is that the glass recipes are highly secretive and dominated by Canon, Nikon being a distant second the Germans a distant third.

Aggravating the situation is that the modern user is generally detached from optics, programmed to be automated, no longer repairing their own lens, not owning a spanner wrench.

The fact that some of the glass elements are low dispersion, and or aspheric surfaces, not too big an issue and with the proper equipment, simple to interferometrically test.

Refractive optics with diameter’s spanning 50-80mm, from the perspective of an optical engineer or manufacturing, is not large. The standard Zygo interferometer being 4 inches in diameter.

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

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Also, a prime lens with fewer elements is more optimal. The increase in element count making the system more of a statistical pancake.

Think of a lens system as an analog audio amplifier, the more parts included, the more inherent noise generated. Think of coatings as capacitance coupling.

The real test of lens quality being under magnification, as done with telescopic and macroscopic systems, or in the days of old, using a photo enlarger. The process of enlarging no longer performed with the integration of digital imagers i.e. CCD, CMOS. Giving many lens makers a modern break in optical quality.

In short, take a small eyepiece, place it behind a camera lens and view the quality of the image (spot diameter). Most camera lens on axis are barely good for 2x per inch of aperture, forget off axis. A good camera lens reaching 10x per inch of aperture.

For an example, my 7 inch f9/6 Apo (1600mm/1070mm), approaches 100x per inch of aperture, and 60x off axis, filling a 35mm frame.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 7, 2012)

lol.. i bet you have never build a lens... otherwise i can not explain the nonsense in your posting.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Nov 7, 2012)

What do you mean by secretive glass recipes? Nikon makes its own glass in its wholly-owned Hikari Glass subsidiary. Canon doesn’t make its own glass (it does make fluorite), but buys it on the open market, much of it from Ohara. I doubt there’s much scope for secrets these days.

As I’m sure you know but didn’t mention, designers of photographic optics face problems that telescope designers never have to bother about, because of the much greater angle of view and much lower f-numbers required by camera lenses. Aberration control in an f/1.4 lens with a 63° angle of view (like this Sigma 35 mm) is horrendously complex compared to a telescope. Those thirteen elements aren’t there for fun!

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Nov 7, 2012)

cont.

Telescopes can also have lots of hand-made input, not possible with a mass-produced camera lens retailing for a few hundred dollars. In a mass-production context, aspherical surfaces over 20 mm in diameter are hard (expensive) to form. Grinding is out of the question due to cost. A lot of effort has gone into glass-moulding technologies in the last couple of decades to tackle this problem.

I agree recent lens prices can seem abusive, but I think you underplay the difficulties in making these lenses. What kind of telescope can you make for $900?

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

Hello Gothmoth

I wish to disagree with your post regarding my background.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=1567814

http://www.phisicalpsience.com/public/SPIE_NWO_Lo_Glassman_Lillie_McGraw.pdf

World Record Holder Brightest Single Stage Quasi CW Weapons Grade Solid State Laser (Northrop Grumman).

First Person in the World to produce a reflecting Multilayer Volume Holographic Phase Conjugate Mirror (Raytheon).

Engineering Process Manager, Laser and Sensor Products Center (Northrop Grumman).

Opto Mechanical Testbed Design Lead, New Worlds Observer (NWO), Twin Spacecraft Planet Finder Mission (Northrop Grumman).

Opto Mechanical Design Lead, Engineering Optical Integration and Characterization Facility – Global Hawk UAV (LRIP) Electro Optical Sensor (Raytheon).

NASA Space Grant Fellow, Improving the Efficiency of Astronomical Spectrographs (University of Hawai`i).

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

Hello Samuel

Yes, abberations at f1.4 are difficult to control, and field of view (FOV) complicates the issue.

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photo chris
By photo chris (Nov 7, 2012)

@parkmcgraw - "A lens with less manual control, more dependent on power and with the removal of the aperture ring, less of a professional tool"

I believe Canon and Nikon are regarded in some circles as a professional camera, yet the entire lens lineup is devoid of aperture rings. This comment is complete nonsense.

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parkmcgraw
By parkmcgraw (Nov 7, 2012)

Hello Photo Chris

Yes, many other camera and lens manufactures are implementing similar complexity reductions. The recent proliferation of digital only view finders, the dismissing of interchangeable prisms, backs, deletion of aperture rings, increased dependence on battery power, all of which reduce the value of the tool, ultimately restricting the end user experience or available function set, much of which motivated by short term profit margins and shareholder returns, I wish not to be case.

Hence, the point you are attempting to make, implying or suggesting that I condone similar design alteration taken by competing manufactures is not valid.

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mikeumo
By mikeumo (Nov 8, 2012)

Anyway... Park... Do you have one such lens for sale? How much? Pentax mount?

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flipmac
By flipmac (Nov 8, 2012)

"Canon and Nikon are regarded in some circles as a professional camera, yet the entire lens lineup is devoid of aperture rings"

That's not entirely true. Nikon still sells D lenses, which do have aperture ring. Also, the focus motor is not in those lenses. Their price is also cheaper, e.g. 50/1.4D vs 50/1.4G. That said, the newer G lenses seem to have better IQ because of the optical redesign or just better coatings.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Nov 7, 2012)

Who would buy Canon 35 f/2.0 now?

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Thorbard
By Thorbard (Nov 7, 2012)

The Canon 35 f2.0 IS and the Canon 35 f1.4 L are still both strong contenders in this marketplace. All 3 offer something slightly different.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

if the MTF charts from the sigma are true there is no need for the Canon EF 35 f1.4 L anymore.

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HBowman
By HBowman (Nov 7, 2012)

... nor the Nikon ;)

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Nov 7, 2012)

Well, actually the charts suggest it is going to be OK on APS-C, but not only the corners but also sides will be dark and blurry on FF. Or maybe I just got used to m43 where almost every lens is good wide open.

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Jamie H.
By Jamie H. (Nov 9, 2012)

Speaking as someone with experience with fast Sigma primes I would say I'm very hesitant to buy another one. Focusing performance has been very inconsistent. Optical quality has been awesome, but if I can't rely on a lens to get the picture in focus, it's of no use to me.

I'd like to think Sigma has changed with this lens, but I'll wait for others to test it out first.

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fatdeeman
By fatdeeman (Nov 7, 2012)

A usb dock that the lens attaches to so you can update firmware and perform af micro adjustment! Awesome! Screw you Canon looks like I will get micro adjust on my 60d after all....sort of. Hopefully they will be able to make it backwards compatible with some of the older lenses. Better still imagine a hack that lets you micro adjust canon lenses too!

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The Photo Ninja
By The Photo Ninja (Nov 7, 2012)

I don't want a USB port attachment for my lenses. Make them work right out of the box or I'm sending you back!

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Nov 7, 2012)

I would not lay the blame solely on the lens. The AF module is in the body after all. This gives you a tool to fine tune the lens to the specific vagaries of the body AND the lens.

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 7, 2012)

you ever heard of tolerances?
get some basic knowledge before you start whining.

lensrental has some articles you should read about camera, mount and lens tolerances and what it would cost the customer to make them even smaller.

why do you think better bodys have AFMA....

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 7, 2012)

i guess he has never heard of AFMA.. probably a P&S photographer....

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Suave
By Suave (Nov 7, 2012)

You should read lensrental's piece on variations in lenses and bodies. It's educational.

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RadioGnome
By RadioGnome (Nov 7, 2012)

sooo nice, but so out of reach.

I like using prime-lenses for my photography hobby, but I've got wife and children. Will dream tonight about putting this on a D600 and be a happy snapper.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Nov 7, 2012)

I wish they made it for m4/3s.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 7, 2012)

Why? You could get 25mm f1.4 and 45mm f1.8 for the price of this lens.

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JeroenW
By JeroenW (Nov 7, 2012)

Sounds like great lens for a fair price. I would pick this one over canons new 35f2 IS for about the same price (canon probably comes without a hood etc.). @35mm IS is just a small advantage in my opinion. I would rather have the extra stop of light but to each his own. Good to have different offerings in this price range.

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (Nov 7, 2012)

Well if you had a Sony or a Pentax the lack of IS in the lens would not be an issue. Having stabalised wide angle lenses, even fast ones is great for indoor photography such as in museums where flash is not allowed

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luka3rd
By luka3rd (Nov 7, 2012)

Desirable!
Don't be fooled by the price, though... it is "Art" series... there will probably be pro models which will cost much more!
I assume that Art will be in the "low build quality / high performance" sector.

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candleJack
By candleJack (Nov 7, 2012)

Don't assume, check out Sigma's site. While it may turn out the way you suggest, right now the distinction between the 3 lines of lenses seems to be made by the purpose, not any quality considerations.

I doubt it will be built to L standards, but I doubt many of us need that anyway.

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Light Pilgrim
By Light Pilgrim (Nov 7, 2012)

I do not agree. There is nothing that suggest the following logic. It will be a clear distinction by application/purpose, not by quality

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Nov 7, 2012)

Art series are pro-grade. Sigma has rebranded their lineup.

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TruePoindexter
By TruePoindexter (Nov 7, 2012)

Er... the point of the new C A S designations from Sigma is to get away from "pro" lenses. Art lenses will be focused on special effects - large apertures and macro. Sports lenses will be focused on telephoto performance and focus speed. Contemporary lenses will be the remaining general purpose zooms. Please read the Sigma announcement.

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Bosman Photography
By Bosman Photography (Nov 7, 2012)

The "Art" lineup is also based on focal lengths used for art and portraiture, most likely always Prime Lenses, 35/50/85/135
Sports being fast/ weatherproofed/long focal lengths
contemporary line being all purpose

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kuri
By kuri (Nov 8, 2012)

Sigma President interview at Photokina 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44P2tckjEms

Art line = focused on best image quality
Contemporary line = highest possible optical performance that can be accomplished in a compact size (size seems to be the priority)
Sports line = action photography

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Nov 19, 2012)

Art line = Primes
Contemporary line = Zooms - Walk-around lenses.
Sports line = Fast zooms

Trez simple, eh?

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KAMSA
By KAMSA (Nov 7, 2012)

700,21 euro's is the price of almost al my Gear but who knows in about 5 or 10 years it wil be stil around and is a good lens,.. or its not capeble to resist time as my Minolta lenses, who are stil function very wel.

Kind reg.

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HSway
By HSway (Nov 7, 2012)

What a nice looking lens, well done Sigma. I bet it will perform. Very good price for a start. looks promising. The Samyang 35/1.4 set the bar extremely high for me. No colour aberrations to speak of , not quite sticking out regarding the glare (veiling one; going by so far experience it is a hair behind the 24-70 Nikkor in extreme tests and the Nikkor zoom is not fantastic either). But it does deliver in contrast and sharpness including small apertures, it really does incredibly. built very nice.
Hynek

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (Nov 7, 2012)

I have the Sigma 85 1.4 on my D700. Perfectly useable at f/1.4, fast and precise AF, good color.

If this 35 is going to be 900 euros to boot, I'm already saving !!

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 7, 2012)

sigma normaly comes in cheaper then MSRP... at least here.

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nl123
By nl123 (Nov 7, 2012)

What a sexy looking lense. lol
If it's as good as sigma claims then it'll definitely be worth it.

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kewlguy
By kewlguy (Nov 7, 2012)

Let's see if the QC improves with the new Global vision thing...

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dbo
By dbo (Nov 7, 2012)

It is an interesting spec, as of the Sony G35/1.4 was a very disappointing lens at large apertures where it is basically made for.

I wonder why this lens here is not indicated as "EX" design - isn't it the high end line? If not it would be a little bit overpriced.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Nov 7, 2012)

Yes, the EX is a semi-pro line.
And Sony's 35mm f/1.4 is basically re-branded Minolta which went through few body re-designs, but for all the time used exactly the same optical formula as a lens released in 1987.
Yes, it's one of very few lenses that went through such a long lifespan withouth complete redesign of optics, but never the less: that's the reason while it's sub-pair to modern DSLRs (although still it's quite great stopped down).

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mgrum
By mgrum (Nov 7, 2012)

Sigma have abandoned the "EX" designation as apparently all of their new lenses will be "EX" standard, making it redundant.

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Bluetrain048
By Bluetrain048 (Nov 7, 2012)

Well, I was always hoping someone would produce a lens of this spec for APS-C, as an upgrade to the Nikon 35/1.8. However, like the 30/1.4.. it's too big. I'm sure FF users will really enjoy it though. Along those lines, a DX 23mm f1.4 would be rather nice.

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Plastek
By Plastek (Nov 7, 2012)

It really depends what body you have. With semi-pro APS-C bodies it balances perfectly.

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Bluetrain048
By Bluetrain048 (Nov 7, 2012)

Its not so much balance as size and weight. With my D7000 and either the 50/1.4 or 35/1.8 I feel a lot less noticable than with the Sigma 30/1.4 for example. Plus it just about fits into a large coat pocket.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Nov 7, 2012)

What the hell are you talking about? Just go for the 30 1.4. Excellent lens for APS-C, and it doesn't get smaller than that for a 1.4 lens.

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viking79
By viking79 (Nov 7, 2012)

They do, Fuji makes an APS-C only 35 mm f/1.4 which is sharp corner. It is smaller than Sigma 30 mm f/1.4 and performs a lot better. However, you have to use Fuji X series.

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Shamael
By Shamael (Nov 7, 2012)

the 30-1.4 rocks on many cameras, but not on all. On mirrorless you get soft corners and sh-tloads of aberration. On NEX-7 it is a fantastic close range lens and portrait hammer. But in landscape situations and counter-light, you struggle hard with blue and cyan fringing. On my Fuji S5 it performs like a dream in just any situation. Could be possible that the A-mount version does better on NEX, but I doubt it.

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