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Apple Raw update brings support for 8 cameras, including Sony A99

By dpreview staff on Nov 30, 2012 at 21:23 GMT

Apple has issued Digital Camera RAW Compatibility Update 4.02, adding support for 8 cameras to Aperture 3 and iPhoto '11. The update includes support for many recently-announced cameras including the Sony Alpha SLT-A99, NEX-6, Olympus PEN E-PL5 and Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3, but does not yet support recent high-end Fujifilm models.


List of supported cameras:

  • Nikon COOLPIX P7700
  • Olympus PEN E-PL5
  • Olympus PEN E-PM2
  • Olympus STYLUS XZ-2
  • Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH3
  • Sony Alpha NEX-5R
  • Sony Alpha NEX-6
  • Sony Alpha SLT-A99

Comments

Total comments: 83
rusticus
By rusticus (Dec 15, 2012)

FUJI is bashing

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borgein
By borgein (Dec 3, 2012)

It still doesn't support the Leica M Monochrom's (very simple) DNG files either!

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mydarkroom
By mydarkroom (Dec 4, 2012)

Not so sure how simple that DNG is (specially when looking at the amount of data you can get form the shadows!!!!!!). But I agree that the MM should get support ASAP. Trying LR4 since it came with the camera, but not convinced at all.

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borgein
By borgein (Dec 6, 2012)

There are no color interpolation on the mm raw files, so they should be easier to provide good support for compared to cameras with color sensors.

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rusticus
By rusticus (Dec 15, 2012)

who buys a Leica MM is your own fault

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torcik
By torcik (Dec 3, 2012)

Apple has always preferred Macintosh over Fujis. They taste better

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Dec 3, 2012)

Sure are a lot of comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the RAW update... but for anyone who doesn't know, let me be the one to tell you: Apple is evil.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

Pretty sure Apple don't have a range of mirrorless cameras.

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plasnu
By plasnu (Dec 2, 2012)

Huh?
Fuji sensor must be very difficult to deal with.

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Den Sh
By Den Sh (Dec 1, 2012)

http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html -- that's aperture feedback page. Just write them how much they let you down and hope that they will listen. That's the best thing you can do at the moment.

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Brond1
By Brond1 (Dec 1, 2012)

I'm whining!!! Why can't Apple see supporting Fuji as opportunity to lure people away from other products. What happened to being innovative and supporting innovation?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 1, 2012)

Um, you do realize that you can't play (yes that's simply play) AVCHD video files on a Mac. So that means that a Mac can't play video from almost any camera shipped in the last two years or more. How's that for "innovation"? (Windows 7 has no problem playing back AVCHD files.) Macs also can't play MP2 video files--and that's a common format for movies that start out as AVCHD files--again no problem with Windows7.

Yes, I know that Final Cut, and perhaps iMovie, can translate AVCHD files to a different format and then edit them, but that's different.

Apple calls a hybrid SSD-platter drive a "Fusion Drive" on the new iMacs. That's not innovation that's useless differentiation of technology that's been available for a couple of years. I got my hybrid drive more than a year ago.

And look at that crappy mouse that Apple shipped for years; that's another example of false innovation, in that case at least Apple did indeed release a very innovative replacement.

There are other examples.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

What the heck are you talking about? AVCHD files are supported natively now. Stop spreading misinformation.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

Pretty sure (not 100% because I've never needed to use them) that MP2 files are also natively supported for at least the last two OS versions.

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Steve Ives
By Steve Ives (Dec 2, 2012)

I suspect the person complaining about the 'Fusion' drive has misunderstood how it works, if he's saying he got one a year ago - a Seagate Momentus XT, yes? Not the same thing.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 2, 2012)

meanwhile:

Sorry AVCHD files do not play on a Mac. Nor MP2s. I expended a good bit of effort on the AVCHD thing a few months ago. But given your insistence I will retest the 3 types of AVCHD files that I have. And I'll recheck MP2s. I'd be happy to be wrong, but don't think I am.

Steve Ives:

How is a fusion drive not like a Seagate Momentus? Is it that the fusion drive has a bit more SSD space?

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Revenant
By Revenant (Dec 2, 2012)

A hybrid drive uses an SSD to speed up performance, but the data is stored on the HDD.
A fusion drive combines an SSD and an HDD into one volume, with the most often accessed files stored on the faster SSD.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 2, 2012)

Revenant,

So the SSD on a fusion drive is simply ram, why not just buy more ram. Frankly I want frequently used programs on the faster SSD.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 2, 2012)

Meanwhile:

Well I checked, and I was wrong about MP2s; with the latest Quicktime, they work fine. Good.

Now however, I am completely right about AVCHD files. I tried 3 different types of AVCHD files and none will open natively on a new iMac. This is a huge failure on the part of Apple.

And in fact your assertion above is an example of spreading mis-information about Macs. Perhaps you mean that you can open AVCHD files with FinalCut and then use FinalCut to turn them into MP2s, MP4s, or MOVs. That I never disputed.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 2, 2012)

Meanwhile redux,

Since the 3 AVCHD files which failed to play on a Mac were all from Panasonic cameras, I tired AVCHD files from two Sony video cameras, and they failed to open on the newest Mac too.

This Apple failure is a big deal.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 2, 2012)

Revenant:

I just overheard an Apple Store employee say that in fact the SSD part of the fusion drive holds the OS and other important programs, so that's just like a Seagate Hybrid. (Though yes the fusion drive is bigger and has a good big more SSD capacity than my Seagate Hybrid which has 20GB of SSD and about 440GB of platter storage.)

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

The AVCHD files from my Sony Alpha A35 work just fine here, on 10.8.2. Which OS version are you on?

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

"And in fact your assertion above is an example of spreading mis-information about Macs. Perhaps you mean that you can open AVCHD files with FinalCut and then use FinalCut to turn them into MP2s, MP4s, or MOVs. That I never disputed."

No, they play directly in Quicktime Player.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

OK, so I thought maybe you were right How, and thought I'd test it. I was thinking that maybe Aperture did some quick converting on import (even though I opened the imported AVCHD files direct from the Finder), so I went directly to the SD card.

There are 5 movies on there currently, and when I double click on the AVCHD file on the card it opens directly in Quicktime Player and asks which of the 5 clips I'd like to play. When chosen, it opens instantly, so there's no converting going on. The file is also listed as "AVCHD Content" in the Kind column, so if you aren't seeing that, maybe you are missing something that I have.

It may be that the library that handles AVCHD is installed with iPhoto or Aperture, I have the latest versions of both, and they both list in recent versions "Support for AVCHD video has been added" in the What's New. BUT, it is working directly in Quicktime Player here for me too.

Here's a screenshot of the movie inspector
http://wentbeep.com/avchd_qtplayer.jpg

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 2, 2012)

Here's the direct link to the Aperture 3.3 release notes, released 6 months ago. http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1540?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Note: "Support for AVCHD video has been added"

That was also in the iPhoto 9.3 release notes. So that may be where it was added. Point being, it works OS-wide here, not just in iPhoto/Aperture, and not just to export to another format - natively, for playback.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

Meanwhile:

You've confirmed my point: Macs don't play AVCHD files natively and one needs to install other software to get at AVCHD files on a Mac. I already specifically said I wasn't commenting on conversion with FinalCut or iMovie and the same applies to some functionality added with iPhoto, etc.

Windows7, without the addition of other software, will play AVCHD files, unlike Mac. The latest Realplayer on Windows7 will do the same. Quicktime on Windows 7 won't.

I tried the AVCHD files on a new iMac (the one released on Friday also tried a 13" Retina) and it didn't play any AVCHD. It had no problem with high-def MP4s from a Samsung NX20.

I tried mightily to make a new Mac play AVCHD files about 8 months ago and I just couldn't, so I have looked into this problem.

In this thread I was never commenting on Aperture or iPhoto, I was making a point about Macs in general and AVCHD files, and that point remains completely valid.

Thanks for working out the ostensible contradiction.

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d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (Dec 3, 2012)

HowaboutRAW you are talking rubbish. OS X can play AVCHD and AVCHD2 files with no problems in quicktime, no codec installed.
Also MP2 files are supported. And MP4 is the format Apple is using for everything, it's working on every Apple device.
And that Fusion Drive is NOT the same thing as Seagate Hybrid.

Do you have that much free time or you just find pleasure in spreading missinformetion all over the internet ?

You failed my friend, not Apple, don't write things you don't know nothing about.
I don't understand why people do this, do they get paid or something ?

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

"I already specifically said I wasn't commenting on conversion with FinalCut or iMovie"

And I'm specifically NOT talking about that either. I can open AVCHD files directly in the Finder, natively, and play them directly in Quicktime Player. No conversion, no Final Cut. Native.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

"I tried mightily to make a new Mac play AVCHD files about 8 months ago and I just couldn't, so I have looked into this problem."

The AVCHD support was added 6 months ago. Did you even read any of my comments above?

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

"In this thread I was never commenting on Aperture or iPhoto, I was making a point about Macs in general and AVCHD files, and that point remains completely valid."

No, in fact, it doesn't. Quite the opposite. This thread is about the Apple RAW Update, used by iPhoto & Aperture. So it does support AVCHD files if you are using this software (you know, the one that the thread is about). Natively, and in-app. If you can be bothered doing what you describe as hours of research into something that you say is incredibly important to you, you'd think that forking out $10 for iPhoto would be worth your time to completely solve your issue.

Unless it's just for argument's sake?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

meanwhile:

No, I made a comment about Macs, not Aperture, who cares what the subject of the thread is about. By that logic no one would say anything about Photoshop here or about a Windows computer.

Because you don't know what the term "natively" means, I'll explain it. It means that the Mac OS will not play AVCHD files without the addition of specialized player software. Who cares that this feature was added to iPhoto 6 months ago; today in late 2012 Macs still can't play AVCHD files without extra work.

That you have confirmed that it's possible with additional inexpensive software is a nice piece of information but also tells me that Apple is being stupid and that it would be easy to get a Mac to natively play AVCHD files with a free update to Quicktime.

If you'd simply said at the beginning that 10 bucks worth of iPhoto makes a Mac AVCHD capable, you'd have strengthened your case. But you didn't

Again: Thank you for confirming my point.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

Your point was:
"Um, you do realize that you can't play (yes that's simply play) AVCHD video files on a Mac."

Which is completely and utterly false. And yes, I do understand what "natively" means. I am using no special player software, no external app - Quicktime Player comes with the OS. I opened the file from the Finder, directly from the SD card in the camera. Can't get much more native than that.

The point is - AVCHD files work without any problems on Macs, just not yours apparently.

"specialized player software"

Did you even look at the screenshot I posted above, directly from Quicktime Player? It's not specialized player software, it comes with the OS.

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (Dec 3, 2012)

Just to be clear, I've been playing AVCHD files on Macs since 2010. Admittedly I did have to download some free software to do so but since it took me about 15 minutes to work that out and do it I was OK...

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Steve Ives
By Steve Ives (Dec 3, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW - I believe the Apple 'Fusion' drive uses a separate SSD and HDD, although the 2 devices are seen as one logical volume to the OS. (If you have a 250Gb SSD and 1Tb Hd, the OS sees a 1.25Tb volume). OS X will dynamically move data between the 2 depending upon how often it's accessed.

So it's like the Momentus XT (of which I have recently upgraded to one in my MBP and very nice it is too) on steroids.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

meanwhile,

Sorry you must have added some piece of software that you've neglected to mention or someone else installed it. Because Quicktime on Macs does not simply open AVCHD files, and I'm starting to check Macs with Aperture, iMovie and iPhoto installed and those Macs fail to open AVCHD files too.

Months ago I tried Realplayer for Mac with an AVCHD file and it failed too, though Realplayer for Windows played AVCHD files by then.

sgoldswo--

Thank you. That's my basic point. Do you happen to remember the name of the software you used to add this feature to your Mac? (Because when I search the terms "Mac AVCHD" at Majorgeeks all I get is results for converters.)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

meanwhile:

Here's an Ehow link, updated in April 2012, and the fact that Macs don't play AVCHD files is well noted.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5847325_play-mts_m2ts-video-mac-quicktime.html

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

Steve Ives:

So you mean with the fusion drive the drives are physically in separate boxes unlike the Seagate hybrid?

I liked the speed of my Seagate hybrid drive, but drive health software (HD sentinel) pretty much immediately found two transfer errors at startup--only ever two errors. So I went back to a platter drive; I regularly need more than a 500GB drive for my laptop. The hybrid is a back up with programs but very few personal files on it.

I see that Sandisk has a 480GB SATA laptop drive for about $400. If I have the money, I may try it in the new year. But there's still the fact that platters can take many more read/write cycles than SSD drives.

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Steve Ives
By Steve Ives (Dec 3, 2012)

@HowaboutRAW - yes. I'm pretty sure it's 2 separate, physical drives. Maore here: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/apple-fusion-drive-wait-what-how-does-this-work/

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

Steve Ives--

It will be interesting to see if iFixit does a tear down of one of the new iMacs with a fusion drive.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 3, 2012)

"Here's an Ehow link, updated in April 2012"

Now I now you aren't bothering to read anything I'm writing, and your only purpose is either to spread misinformation, or just have an argument. Multiples times, I've said the AVCHD support was released in JUNE. Why bring up an external article from 3 months before that?

Macs now play AVCHD videos without any problems (and without the need to add third party software to do it - which still doesn't mean they couldn't before, they could with those programs), you are wrong. They do not need to be converted to another format, they work natively, within the OS.

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Dr Chandra
By Dr Chandra (Dec 3, 2012)

Googled AVCHD Sample Video.

Went to the first result: http://www.shedworx.com/shedworx-samples

Downloaded the first clip then opened and played it in Quicktime Player.

Conclusion: AVCHD supported in Mac OS 10.8.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

Dr Chandra-

I downloaded the snowboarding video from that linked list, and it most certainly does not play on a Mac running OS 10.8.2.

Conclusion: OS 10.8.2 does not play AVCHD files.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

meanwhile,

I did a further check on a Mac running 10.8.2. From a SDHC card, this Mac has no trouble with MP4 video, or some still raw files, nor some tiffs. I even moved AVHCD files from the same SDHC card to the Mac's internal hard drive and the Mac still wouldn't play AVCHD.

Clearly there is something that has been done to your Mac to make it natively play AVCHD files. No big deal, the big deal is that you, amongst many, don't know what that system tweak is. Final Cut Pro 10.006 won't import the file either. So clearly some form of conversion needs to done with AVCHD files on a Mac.

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d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (Dec 4, 2012)

I have 2 avchd cameras. Files from both play on my mac, I did not installed codecs, I don't have any editing software or codecs installed at the moment. The file from the link also play in Quicktime natively.

You must really hate macs, because all this isn't important anyway. People on macs usually don't use quicktime, but VLC or Movist, just like people on Windows.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 4, 2012)

"So clearly some form of conversion needs to done with AVCHD files on a Mac."

You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there are different kinds of AVCHD files?

Before we argue about it pointlessly any more, perhaps looking at was does and doesn't work would be prudent?

The AVCHD files I have produced and used work for me on my Mac without any conversion at all. BUT, they are not MTS files - which don't seem to work here (at least the two I downloaded from that site above). That said, it could be a simple configuration issue, so please let me look into it further before sinking to "I told you so".

AVCHD does work on Mac, I use AVCHD files here directly, so I know they work (without conversion) - but that may be qualified to particular types of AVCHD files. I don't know yet.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 4, 2012)

Here too:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3775?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Below are the media formats and codecs that QuickTime Player can play back in Mac OS X v10.6.x or later:

AVCHD (OS X Mountain Lion only)

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 4, 2012)

OK, here's how it looks like the situation is. Macs running 10.8.x can play (yes, natively) AVCHD files if they contain all of the folder structure (/PRIVATE/AVCHD/BDMV/STREAM, etc).

For example, I downloaded this sample: http://hownowvideo.com/downloads/panasonic_AG-HMC150.zip
and it played without any problems - and should for you too How (just double click on PRIVATE and it should play in QT Player). The AVCHD files from my Sony A35 have this structure too, and work directly in QT Player.

If you just have the .mts stream file by itself, that will not play directly, and will have to be converted before use.

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d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (Dec 4, 2012)

You can rebuild the index in a second, no need to convert

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 4, 2012)

meanwhile:

That idea of trying to copy the whole Private Folder seems interesting; I'll try it.

However that's not exactly native playback of an MTS file. With Windows 7 I insert the SD card open Private ... Stream etc then see say 3 or 4 MTS(AVCHD) files. Double click each to playback the MTS file so I can discover which one I want to copy. Then I copy the ones I want to a folder like say "Morning Dec 4th 2012". (Yes I know that Adobe Bridge can preview MTS files too.)

Assuming your description of the Mac system is accurate, and I will check once I have a camera card, the Mac system is still not exactly native playback, and much more importantly the Mac system throws up all sorts of stupid barriers to playback. With Windows one can just copy the files one needs and then rename them, sort them and play them back and edit with the appropriate software.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 4, 2012)

d3xmeister:

No I don't hate Macs, unlike Windows 7 computers Macs mostly don't crash. However Macs need to simply open MTS files, which is something that Windows has done for some years. Final Cut should also simply import them--again not a problem with Adobe Premiere 5 on Windows 7.

You can think of the Mac failure v Windows as right click. Mac ignored right click for years and that was stupid. (Yes I know about cntrl click--so back then there was the work around.)

I'll try the private folder trick suggested by Meanwhile above, but that's not exactly native playback of AVCHD files.

Oh, yes, Macs make hard drive (and battery in the case of laptops) removal far too difficult. Having clones of one's hard drive, or SSD, is a really good idea and Mac makes that kind of thing difficult. Not the cloning, the swapping of cloned drives. So that's another big Mac failure. And no I am not talking about TimeMachine.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 4, 2012)

meanwhile,

Yes that work-around does the trick, so a Mac will play AVCHD files as long as the Mac also has access to the other video camera generated files. And iPhoto does import all of that extra stuff Macs need. But I wouldn't exactly call that native playback. I still can't hand you a card or disk with copies of MTS files and say: "Here look a look at these."

I'd have to make sure to copy non-file items (the whole private folder I'd imagine). Is the folder important for reading PDFs, or viewing tiffs? No.

So this is a case of Mac making something complicated that Windows already does easily.

No, I never use say Adobe Bridge to import files from my flash cards to my computer. I just open the folder and select every raw file shot during that day's picture taking. And I do the same with the few video files I import from SD cards.

I'm glad I learnt this trick, Apple is still being stupid about AVCHD files.

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Jim in Hudson
By Jim in Hudson (Dec 1, 2012)

Still no support for the Pentax K-30. Seems a bit overdue to me.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 1, 2012)

Have you tried DNG files shot with the K-30?

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Buhl213
By Buhl213 (Dec 1, 2012)

When one buys X-trans or Foveon equipment, it is because it is deemed superior to common mass-marked targeted Bayer-alternatives by the consumer, right? Why can this consumer not understand that it is an informed choice he/she makes, a choice that also excludes the "normal" software-support from software-vendors who has chosen to target the 70-80% of the most common marketplace within the photography-segment with the best ROI (same software, same demosaiching, same filter-mechanisms, a new table to describe a new lens) ?

I see no economic reason that these SW-vendors should support less common technologies unless directly paid to do so, and hence the camera-vendors have to make it a competitive technology (in terms of quantity, not quality), or seek alternatives (e.g. paying SilkyPix or SPP-developers to do the job).

In other words: STOP WHINING. Go take some pictures - and let the Sonikonicus-users enjoy their support, they need it, they bought inferior & conform technologies ;)

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awelch100
By awelch100 (Dec 1, 2012)

The reason people are whining is because Fuji reps have claimed that the company has been working with Apple and Adobe to improve(or include) support for X-Trans cameras.
You are correct about the software developers. It doesn't make a lot of sense for them to devote resources to support a technology that is only found in a small percentage of cameras. The blame falls squarely on Fuji.

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timo
By timo (Dec 3, 2012)

awelch100: 'Fuji reps have claimed that the company has been working with Apple and Adobe to improve(or include) support for X-Trans cameras.'

I wish there were some evidence of progress, if this is true.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 3, 2012)

d3xmeister:

You missed where I acknowledged being wrong about MP2s on a Mac.

However: the new Macs I've tried don't play AVCHD files, no problem with high-def MP4s. I'm bothered by this failure of Apple's and am going to put even more effort into trying to get AVCHD files to play on a Mac, sans conversion.

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d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (Dec 4, 2012)

Why do they work on mine, natively ?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 5, 2012)

d3xmeister:

There is answer in the thread above. Macs will play AVCHD(aka MTS) files with some additional files, also from the camera. Looks like one needs the entire Private Folder from the camera's flash card. Glad there's the work around, still wouldn't call it native playback.

If I hand you a disc with a folder full of PDFs you don't need any software other than a PDF reader to view the PDFs on a Windows computer or a Mac. On a Windows 7 computer the same is true if I give you a disc or card with a number of MTS files on it--they play without trouble. On the other hand Mac makes things stupid and difficult and one needs obscured extra files to view AVCHD files on a Mac.

With Windows7 one can simply copy and paste the MTS files one wants, no extra files or folders, or Mac importation software which knows to copy those files needless to a Windows computer.

Win7 is simpler and easier.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 5, 2012)

"Macs will play AVCHD(aka MTS) files with some additional files, also from the camera. Looks like one needs the entire Private Folder from the camera's flash card. Glad there's the work around, still wouldn't call it native playback."

How, you are wrong here. It's time to move on. An MTS file does not an AVCHD file make. The spec of the AVCHD file includes "some additional files". A properly formed AVCHD file, includes those things. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.svg

Your PDF analogy is flawed, it's more akin to: if you hand someone a bunch of JPEG files that you had in a PDF file, but don't give them the PDF file itself. It's not the same thing, you haven't given them the whole file.

Do I wish that there was direct support for playing .mts stream files (which is outside the AVCHD spec)? Sure. Does that amount to not having native AVCHD support? No.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 6, 2012)

meanwhile:

On a Win 7 computer Windows sees MTS files from a Sony camera as AVCHD. And on the same Win 7 computer WinMedia Player sees MTS files from Panasonics as AVCHDs.

Also: I copied all of the 660MB Private Folder from my Panasonic video camera to my Windows C drive. First I double clicked the Private Folder, and well, video did not play. As expected: Right clicking didn't give me a WinMedia Player playback of the folder contents option either.

Then I deleted all of the MTS files from the Private/Stream Folder; I right clicked Private, selected Properties, and Windows told me that the Private Folder was now about 120kb in size. I'm pretty sure of the fact that a 120kb isn't really a part of the video or audio, and that those KBs are used by Mac for playback. So Apple is being dumb about AVCHD playback and is making newish video camera users' life difficult.

Still glad the silly work-around does the trick, maybe when Final Cut opens AVCHD files Macs will too.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (Dec 7, 2012)

I just found that Smart Converter is a nice free tool to do the job too (opening .mts files). Simply select Other > Quicktime for the conversion and you'll get a quickly wrapped file with no video conversion (so no quality loss) and directly openable in pretty much anything.

http://www.shedworx.com/smartconverter

You still likely wouldn't call that native, but given that it's free and the video isn't converted it's close enough for me. Given that it's not really very long since Win added AVCHD support themselves, it likely won't be long before it's supported on Macs too. Either way, it's not actually needed in the field with the available options for 99.9% of files, so it's just semantics really.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 7, 2012)

meanwhile:

Cool, no I wouldn't call that native.

I've had my Win7 computer for 18 months, it's opened AVCHD inatively since I owned it.

Apple is just making life more difficult, kinda the way Windows often used to. The bigger problem is Final Cut. 'Cause that means one has to convert the whole file before editing in FC.

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Ron Outdoors
By Ron Outdoors (Dec 1, 2012)

I guess Snow Leopard is history to Apple.

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JasperD
By JasperD (Dec 1, 2012)

I think Apple is letting us X-Trans users down, just like they did with the Foveon. It is the drop too much in the bucket, I switched to Adobe meanwhile because of it, not believing in it anymore after waiting for 8 months. No need to send me the announcement of the future release 4, if ever: I´ll trash it.

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Tom Zimmer
By Tom Zimmer (Dec 2, 2012)

I hate to say it, but you may have made the right choice. To continue to wait for Apple to support either Foveon or X-Trans could be along wait. Last year when I was using a Sigma DP2, I tried to encourage my brother to work toward getting X3F RAW support in iPhoto. He told me that Sigma would have to push for that because Sigma has some proprietary algorithms that they use to process their raw file into jpgs or tifs and without those algorithms Apple would not be able to produce raw conversions that would be as good as those produced by SPP. Apple has no interest in producing inferior results, hence no results at all. So as was said above this is Sigma's fault, not Apples.

more in part two.

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Tom Zimmer
By Tom Zimmer (Dec 2, 2012)

The situation for Fuji is somewhat different, in that Fuji has in the past worked with Apple so that the Fuji point and shoot sensor cameras are supported by iPhoto and Aperture. By the way, my brothers comment on Fuji raw format conversion was something like "they are very challenging to work with and get good results, but we can do it". This was possible because someone somewhere (Fuji?) decided that he should spend time doing this work, and I believe that he will probably be tasked with X-Trans RAWs as well, though it may be one of his coworkers. So patience is needed, and in the case of these new RAW formats, lots of it.

Just my thoughts.

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uniball
By uniball (Dec 1, 2012)

As I grimace my way through my recently acquired Lightroom I wonder who to be annoyed at most, Apple or Fuji.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Dec 1, 2012)

What does this have to do with Aperture? Do you own a Fuji XPro1 and shoot raw with it and are therefore forced to use one of the Adobe raw extraction options on your Mac for extracting XPro1 raws? Then yes Lightroom 4 doesn't have the greatest reputation for speed. Though PhotoShop CS6 runs just fine on my Windows7 machine and does a very good job at extracting XPro1 raws. In any case, again: This DPReview notice is about Aperture, an Apple product, not Lightroom 4. You can always suffer through the idiocy that is Silkypix 5 if you don't like Lightroom.

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ccclai
By ccclai (Dec 1, 2012)

Certainly there are some political issues between Fuji and Apple

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beckmarc
By beckmarc (Dec 1, 2012)

where is the Fuji xpro 1 support apple? some one is asleep at the wheel

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drakkar
By drakkar (Dec 1, 2012)

Not Fuji support? Too bad...

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Jacques Cornell
By Jacques Cornell (Dec 1, 2012)

Yea! Rendering of RAW files shot with aspect ratio set to 3:2 on Panasonic DMC-FZ38 is now fixed. Apple tech even called me to let me know ( - I reported the bug a while back). Classy!

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Dec 1, 2012)

No joy for those of us still on Snow Leopard (10.6.8) These are (supposedly) only compatible with Aperture 3.4 and later which itself requires Lion 10.7.5 or Mountain Lion 10.8.2.

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gsum
By gsum (Dec 1, 2012)

Not Orange Orangutang 15.6.24 or Aardvaark 22.8. What are they thinking?

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Dec 1, 2012)

I hope when they make 10.9 Catwoman they use the Michelle Pfeiffer version. Rowwrrr!

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steven_k
By steven_k (Nov 30, 2012)

how about no new mac pro?

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Dec 1, 2012)

Why beat a dead horse...Tim Cook was quoted as saying there would be something new for pros "later in 2013."

It's still later in 2012. Not time yet.

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Dec 1, 2012)

Can you say "Hackintosh"?

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Deeso
By Deeso (Nov 30, 2012)

It seems Fuji is having a hard time with 3rd party raw support...

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federanghino
By federanghino (Nov 30, 2012)

Apple, please... X-Trans support...

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danstern
By danstern (Nov 30, 2012)

still no fuji's and still no Aperture 4 upgrade.

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awelch100
By awelch100 (Nov 30, 2012)

Still no Fujis...

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