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Just Posted: Canon PowerShot G15 review

By dpreview staff on Nov 21, 2012 at 22:00 GMT
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Just Posted: Our Canon PowerShot G15 review. The G15 is one of the latest wave of updated enthusiast compact cameras and it follows this season's trend of gaining a brighter lens and CMOS sensor in the process. It still offers a 28-140mm equivalent lens range but its maximum aperture range has been pushed to F1.8-2.8 - a whole stop faster, throughout its range, than the older G12. It's lost that camera's flip-out screen but has lost bulk in the process and has retained that rarest of things - an optical viewfinder. Will this makeover of the G-series formula be enough to win back its place at the top of the heap? Read our review to find out.

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franzel
By franzel (Nov 22, 2012)

No articulating screen, no G .
But with that small sensor, in a fairly large body, it's redundant anyways .
Who in his right state of mind would spend that kind of money on such a thing ?
Just my 2ps .

6 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

Again, I would say, go in a shop and try it before you make such s statement. The G15 is quite a bit smaller than previous G models and the sensor works very well in combination with the fast lens.

1 upvote
Amin Sabet
By Amin Sabet (Nov 22, 2012)

Excellent review. Really well done.

I found one error when comparing the G15 "RAW" conversions to the LX7 using your tool. If you try that comparison at ISO 80 (or any other ISO), you'll see that the LX7 looks much more detailed and noisy. Striking difference compared to the much more "processed" looking G15. However, when opening the downloadable RAW files in Lightroom, they look basically the same.

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oluv
By oluv (Nov 22, 2012)

Amin, I am sure dpreview still had used some alpha or beta ACR version for the LX7 conversions. I noticed that Adobe very often "tunes" their demosaicing algorithms with later updates.

Mostly this is the "BayerGreenSplit" parameter that is adjusted according to the camera. For example my GF1 shows lots of maze-artefacts if i manually "hack" the BayerGreenSplit to a low value. My GH1 is much better in this regards and i could achieve sharper images if Adobe didn't tune all Panasonic cameras with the same strong value.

To really compare raw files neutrally without any difference in demosaicing and preprocessing i would still choose raw therapee.

0 upvotes
Amin Sabet
By Amin Sabet (Nov 23, 2012)

I find Raw Therapee a lot of work to get the colors and black points, etc, to match up. In the end I want to know how these cameras will work in my workflow, which is Lightroom.

However, if you download the LX7 and G15 RAW files and try them in RAW Therapee, I think you'll find them quite similar, in contrast to what DPR shows in their tool. As well, I have never found that an alpha or beta version of LR 4 is as disparate from the release version as what DPR has shown. I think maybe they uploaded the in-camera JPEG in lieu of the converted RAW for some of those G15 samples. Or something like that.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Nov 22, 2012)

Strange, I find in the image test (raw) section, the tests from the silver rated, smaller, lighter RX100, show the RX100 images to be bigger, cleaner and have more detail.

In the 'compact' group, if a camera is more compact and delivers better images, shouldn't it be getting a better award than a bulkier compact delivering lesser images?

I guess controls and ergonomics have to play a part, but taken to extremes, it suggests the question just how poor can the IQ be and still get a gold award?

Not that the IQ here is poor, nor anything wrong with the camera, but for a pocketable camera with big camera IQ, I just couldn't see myself choosing this over the Sony. So I guess what I'm really saying is I'm not sure who your gold award is speaking too. An older generation perhaps, who can't use a rear mount click wheel to change settings?

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Amin Sabet
By Amin Sabet (Nov 22, 2012)

Maybe the "Gold Award" is speaking to people who:
-Want to spend less than $650
-Want a 5x zoom
-Want better edge/corner sharpness than the Sony can deliver
-Want more tactile controls than the Sony

I have no horse in this race. Bought the Sony RX100, didn't love it, and gave it to my brother. If I were going to buy another camera in this segment - and I don't plan to do so - it would probably be the LX7, X10, or maybe a DP2M.

The point is that all of these cameras have a lot of things going for them, and DPR decided that their target population is best served by rating the G15 higher than the RX100. For someone wanting to take photos at 45mm equivalent on a tripod in good light, a DP2M might get the "Gold" award. As long as you know what's "Gold" for you, you're all set.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

Exactly Amin.. and the G series camera have a great following for just those reasons (and more).

2 upvotes
dpLarry
By dpLarry (Nov 22, 2012)

I have a G12 and it just never takes a bad picture. Maybe that's why.
And I've had plenty of digital cameras before, from almost every maker, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, Canon, Fuji etc. The only other great camera I had is a Nikon dslr.

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fox-orian
By fox-orian (Nov 22, 2012)

@Arin: Man I wish I had money to buy a camera and give it to someone! Hahaha

But really, I was a Canon G9-G12 owner and I can say the handling isn't better on my RX100, but the size to performance ratio is. And that's all that really matters to me at this point in time since I have a larger DSLR (Alpha A77) for super serious stuff. (I do like I can swap memory cards between the A77 and RX100 without any card formatting necessary. They can even read each others files!)

But man, after I saw the review for the Panasonic LX7, I felt like I may have just maybe chosen the RX100 too soon. There's no denying that camera also gives the RX100 and G15 a run for its money.

Good time as a consumer to be in the market for a high-end compact! So many top notch choices.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Nov 23, 2012)

The point here is not to stamp on Canon's achievements, I own Canon, and Olympus and Sony and Fuji and Panasonic and Ricoh, and have owned Pentax, Nikon and Leica. I'm a fan of product not brand.

My objective in a premium compact is pocketable size with premium IQ. It has to be operable, but beyond that, compromises can be tolerated. For me, the RX100 Aces this category.

So I'm trying to understand the category system here.

The category that seems to best fit the Canon would be "Premium Small Bridge", where a large number of users will have it as their main camera, not as a supplement for when they don't take their big camera. I know several G users like this, and I can tell there are quite a few here too.

In this category, versatility along with ergonomic controls and good IQ are key. Perhaps the gold is fair in that category although lack of swivel screen reduces versatility and 1/1.7" a bit small.

The RX100 fits a different category, compact with premium IQ.

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hobgoblin1000
By hobgoblin1000 (Nov 22, 2012)

Anyone else noticed that the G10 still has the best image quality of all the Powershots? Pop it in the scene comparison and have a look (though I base this on real world use).

2 upvotes
tutek
By tutek (Nov 22, 2012)

G10 has 14.7 mp. More megapixels give a sharper picture if there is enough light

2 upvotes
bwabl
By bwabl (Nov 22, 2012)

Agree!

1 upvote
dpLarry
By dpLarry (Nov 22, 2012)

I prefer the 10 mp on my G12. I dont need that many mp.

0 upvotes
xoio
By xoio (Nov 22, 2012)

Getting tired of this 'now you have it, now you don't' - Flip out screen farce.
Camera, Flip/twist screen
G1 Yes
G2 Yes
G3 Yes
G5 Yes
G6 Yes
G7 No
G9 No
G10 No
G11 Yes
G12 Yes
G15 No

14 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Nov 22, 2012)

At least they brought the fast lens back (after 8 years!)

12 upvotes
wootpile
By wootpile (Nov 22, 2012)

I totally agree! (with xoio)

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GKN
By GKN (Nov 22, 2012)

The fast lens (at telephoto) is what appeals to me.

I'm considering replacing my old compact, though use the DSLR most of the time, it would be nice to have something small, and the iPhone just doesn't cut it. I had initially ruled out the G15, but seeing this review, maybe I should rethink. The image quality, while not quite matching the RX100, is very good for the smaller sensor (much better than the G12). The articulating screen is no biggie - faster lens is far more important when shooting images of the kids without flash. The G15 is also a little smaller than its predecessors and more responsive.

The G cameras have always handled well - call me old fashioned, but I like the dials, instead of searching through menus

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 24, 2012)

Isn't it great to have so many choices?

If you want a flip out screen you have two cameras that are very current and capable, the G12 and G1X. The G20 will likely have a flip out screen and you won't have to wait long for that camera to be announced.

Another benefit of the G series cameras- they are available everywhere and so many models to choose from.

C

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jorepuusa
By jorepuusa (Nov 22, 2012)

How to tell for whom this site is made.
It is easy. Look at the picture of bald guy shooting with canon.
He makes three fundamental ergonomic mistakes when holding the cam.
First. His left eye is shut. Professionals and hardcore amateurs know that both eyes should be open.
Second. He has his fingertip on release. Nope. It should be his first joint.
Third. Left hand should be palm against the cam body.
These are the basics.
But then, site is for amateurs about cameras, not about photography.

Jore Puusa
Teacher of photojournalism.
Helsinki, Finland.

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George Veltchev
By George Veltchev (Nov 22, 2012)

This is definitely one of the most ridiculous suggestion to keep both eyes open when looking true the viewfinder Mr. Teacher of photojournalism! What about ... if the focal length of the camera lens differs ( in most cases ) from the side view of the naked eye?! Ridiculous ! Try to compose a picture that way with a 300mm lens for example or even a wide angle lens !

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JazzMasta
By JazzMasta (Nov 22, 2012)

If this site is for amateurs, I can't help wondering what you are doing here Jore..
I thought there was nothing you didn't already know..
Maybe you just like taunting people?

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panikspace
By panikspace (Nov 22, 2012)

You beat me to it, George! I thought Jore Puusa was just trying to be funny, then I thought maybe this was serious… I kind of hope it was, because that makes it even funnier, picturing the “Teacher of photojournalism” typing out angry messages in the dark Helsinki night. As a member of the bald community, a one-eye-closed shooter, AND a photography teacher, this puts me in a real quandary….

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (Nov 22, 2012)

Couple more counter-arguments to this: "He has his fingertip on release. Nope. It should be his first joint." This recommendation doesn't make any sense on compacts where the zoom control is a lever round the shutter release, for obvious reasons. On the G15 it would also place your fingertip on top of the mode dial.

"Left hand should be palm against the camera body". Makes perfect sense with large compacts or rangefinders, but is much less ergonomic with smaller cameras. Especially when its main benefit (stability against camera shake) is far less important on a camera like the G15 with highly effective in-lens IS.

Camera design has moved on from the Leica M, and small digital zoom compacts handle very differently. One size doesn't always fit all.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Nov 22, 2012)

Maybe he had both eyes closed. Could have done the whole review sleeping. So he doesn't even have to look, or think, now that's professional.

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gilman
By gilman (Nov 22, 2012)

File this comment under the 'those that can't .. teach' category. All your observations are totally irrelevent to what makes a good picture.

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Hennie de Ruyter
By Hennie de Ruyter (Nov 22, 2012)

Well I should hand my DSLR in then. I have no left eye (unless you call a piece of expensive painted plastic an eye).

1 upvote
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

I was closing my eyes in expectation of the comments...

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jorepuusa
By jorepuusa (Nov 23, 2012)

Quote "This is definitely one of the most ridiculous suggestion to keep both eyes open when looking true the viewfinder Mr. Teacher of photojournalism!"
DPRW is for technically minded amateurs, not photographers. Telling my profession, I get mocked, so deep is the hate nowadays.
ALL REAL PRO photographers have their left eye open when shooting. ( and snipers) How can You tell what`s on your left if you shoot blindfolded? I`ve been working in seven wars. Keeping my left eye open has saved my life. Watch TV and take a look at real pros all have their left eye open. Joint on shutter means no movement is seen pressing the shutter. One can use very slow times by pressing both hands together.That is why left hand should be palm to cam.
There is he racism in Dprw. Not angloamerican writes differently, and gets replies about where he comes. Being "dark nights of Helsinki" I cannot be right.
Photography is slowly dying when ignorant amateurs are taking the position of pros.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Nov 23, 2012)

I agree, it's not ridiculous to keep both eyes open. But it is ridiculous to suggest one can't be pro unless he does. There are places where you don't get shot at, believe it or not.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Nov 22, 2012)

In spite of the Gold Award this camera is a dying species. (With its kins together). There are members of powerful new breeds to replace this type of cameras.

Consider Panasonic GF5 for ca. 500 bucks or the damned Nikon 1 V1 for less than 400 bucks.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 22, 2012)

not really. with the advent of the PowerShot G1X, both m43 and 1" series seem like a 'nice niche' idea where 'small' sensor users get to have interchangeable lens flexibility, and supposed portability with 'flat primes' and 'flat zooms', but no significant IQ gains over smaller sensor digicams.

the 1.5" sensored PowerShot G1X already has IQ rivals many APS-C dSLRs, whether NEX/Sony/SLT, or other mfrs. Canon raised the bar so high w/ a mere prosumer P&S Powershot G1x, competitors are getting bleeding noses from both their 1" systems and APS-C systems.

thus we SHOULD EXPECT MORE from larger sensor systems and interchangeable lens systems, not less. and 1" sensor systems are already showing their outdatedness first time out.

this means a 'large' 1.5" integrated lens digicam (G1X, pejoratively labeled as a P&S) forces folks to rethink viability of 'lego-lens' miniature toy fun flexibility on bodies with iffy sensors, barely better than IQ of tinier sensored digicams (like G15 or P7700)

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oselimg
By oselimg (Nov 22, 2012)

@kadardr...How did you manage to compare a compact, pocketable camera with bigger interchangable lens models.

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marike6
By marike6 (Nov 22, 2012)

Stopped reading her reply after she said that there are "no significant IQ gains" with m43 or 1" over a typical P&S.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 28, 2012)

Dying species my rosy red hot patootie. Form factor and performance for size/weight/cost/handling are always very important and none seem to do it better than the G-Series.

Sensors continue to get better and the G15's is now at DSLRS performance from 2004-06' era on APS-C sized sensors. In fact, it outperforms a lot of them from that era.

C

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Nov 22, 2012)

Unbelievable, the herd mentality experiment has got out of control ! I just hope this RX100-obsessed mob will tame itself soon.

Anyway, I want to thank the DPR team for a nice G15 review !

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Riccardo Colombo
By Riccardo Colombo (Nov 23, 2012)

The Review is OK, the Award is the Problem...

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limlh
By limlh (Nov 22, 2012)

Still retaining the "optical viewfinder"? What a piece of humour. It is pocketable? Why not go the full monty and stick a thick fat f1.4 lens there. It will still be "pocketable".

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 22, 2012)

optical viewfinder is no more a piece of humor than OVF on a dSLR is a piece of humor

one can never satisfy everyone, whilst the EOS M lacks an optical tunnel or OVF or EVF, folks whine about having just a touch screen LCD (even though this is identical to millions of popularly well-liked used phone cameras with that non-optical capability (but no flexibility of lens options), like iPhone, iPad, and whatever other smartwebphones out there (Galaxy S, etc)).

ditto vast majority of mirrorless, they're stuck with less-than-direct EVFs, atop a body w/ an LCD anyway, but NO optical option.

w/ pure optical options, like the optical tunnel, at least one can preview 'framing' scenarios with the power OFF; much like what a dSLR user can do. the only difference is that an optical tunnel cannot convey resizeable zoom framing when off, but a dSLR w/ a zoom-ring lens can do so without power at all.

each are configured for its own niche. don't forget that; everyone has different preferences/needs

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Nov 22, 2012)

Wow....so a canon bridge P&S gets a hair over 2 months between announcement and DPR's full review and yet it took 6 months for the review of the most exciting DSLR announced in summer 2012 (Pentax K-30) ?

Nope...no preferential treatment here at DPR...

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Nov 22, 2012)

Which part of "in depth" do you not understand? DSLR reviews take longer because they are more complex beasts.

2 upvotes
dpLarry
By dpLarry (Nov 22, 2012)

4 months longer?

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Craig Atkinson
By Craig Atkinson (Nov 22, 2012)

I don't understand why in the 'compare' tool the RX100 isn't there - even when all categories is selected.

I like the sound of the G15 but other than the VF and the lens speed is there anything it has over the RX100? I have and use the RX100 but hate it, I use it purely for the sensor at 28mm. I prefer the GRD4 and am waiting for the GRD5 hopefully with larger sensor!

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grafli
By grafli (Nov 22, 2012)

Well, the G15 has a brighter lens at enything else than f=28mm...
But i see your point...

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Nov 22, 2012)

the RX100 is in the 'compare tool', just refresh your browser for that page:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studiocomparefullscreen.asp#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=canon_eos5dmkiii&masterSample=5d3_5218&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot0Sample=5d3_5218&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=canon_g1x&slot1Sample=img_0021&slot2Camera=canon_g15&slot2Sample=img_0043&slot3Camera=sony_dscrx100&slot3Sample=dsc00495&x=-0.33613423624917194&y=1.3195833677454059&extraCameraCount=0

folks have to get over the fact, comparing G15 to RX100 is apple vs orange scenario, completely different category. sensor size-wise, it's 1" is between the PowerShot G15 and 1.5" G1 X. where IQ compares like sensor for like, not different.

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Eleson
By Eleson (Nov 22, 2012)

@sdyue: so which comparisons are valid? And who decides?
What is wrong between comparing two cameras in the same price range?

Thanks for the link , very illustrative:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studiocomparefullscreen.asp#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=canon_eos5dmkiii&masterSample=5d3_5218&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot0Sample=5d3_5218&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=canon_g1x&slot1Sample=img_0021&slot2Camera=canon_g15&slot2Sample=img_0043&slot3Camera=sony_dscrx100&slot3Sample=dsc00495&x=-0.33613423624917194&y=1.3195833677454059&extraCameraCount=0

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Craig Atkinson
By Craig Atkinson (Nov 22, 2012)

They are in exactly the same category - the category of cameras I would consider owning and using. RX100 / GRD4 / G15. They are the only cameras in that category, I have two of them already but would rather just have one.

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mariuss
By mariuss (Nov 22, 2012)

I dont't get it. Why JPEG is better as RAW? This is new ...

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tutek
By tutek (Nov 22, 2012)

I suggest Canon to produce two parallel versions: with and without the swivel screen. They replied: buy G1X

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Nov 22, 2012)

Pros:
Very pocketable format.

Yeah, rrright...

3 upvotes
bcalkins
By bcalkins (Nov 22, 2012)

Thanks for another useful review that I can read for free !

I don't understand why people are so fixated on the silver/gold award. Read the review, draw your own conclusions based on what is important to you. Everyone has different needs.

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Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (Nov 22, 2012)

Amen!

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Hélios Méroé
By Hélios Méroé (Nov 22, 2012)

Let me guess..Dpreview had a factory Nikon P7700 in hands since nearly 2 months (so nearly before the G15 release announcement..) same thing for Dcresource, Cameralabs as well..

and let me see..those 3 influent & independent photo web sites have all already published a very nice G15 review..did someone saw one single review of the P7700??..

Therefore, let me guess which APN in expert category the big market wants to sell to the customer?..

at least, not the P7700 for sure..but thanks for your "loud oriented proposal"..

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Nov 22, 2012)

I don't really understand what you're saying, but I think you're imagining a conspiracy theory whereby the world's photo press agree secretly not to review the P7700 in favor of the Canon PowerShot G12. If so, then I'm afraid that your version of reality - while fascinating, is inaccurate.

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Hélios Méroé
By Hélios Méroé (Nov 22, 2012)

A conspiracy is a big word..let's say an "oriented consumer anachronistic review calendar"..if you like it better?..
and maybe you can give us an explanation that despite the fact that your site published a P7700 studio samples images gallery, a real Life gallery a long time before the Canon G15..we're still waiting for a review of this APN?..

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Illumina
By Illumina (Nov 22, 2012)

When dpreview post D600 review, some people said 'nikon bought dpreview' and now when g15 came out before P7700, there is another conspiracy theory.. Kinda funny for me :D

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

@Illumina- Well said, hilarious. :)

@Helios- Fact is bud, there are several good reasons camera reviews and be delayed and you aren't considering a single one. Do that before making nutty accusations.

-C

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Hélios Méroé
By Hélios Méroé (Nov 22, 2012)

Sorry folks but if i'm not mistaken..i only saw the word "conspiracy" in your posts and not in mine..but maybe it's easier this way to reduce the topic to a surge of hysteria and avoid the actual content behind it?..
The only question i ask is what choice do we have (as a customer) if 3 of the most influent photo sites don't respect the rules of competition?..and the chronology of APN releases?..
And Excuse me also to not really understand what is really so important or revolutionary in the specifications of G15 which deserves as much eagerness journalism?..

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 24, 2012)

Life is full of mysteries. You can obsess about them or move on. Fact is, all the review sites bar Sean's give you reviews for free.

C

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Illumina
By Illumina (Nov 22, 2012)

There are so many people whine about RX100 got a silver.. Even after several month it got reviewed..
If u love your RX100 and enjoy it, then why bother with award?
I got D600 before it got reviewed here.. And before whole dust issue blown up.. And I don't bother with award and 'issues' because I love my D600 and enjoy it and it serves me very well.. No issue for me..
Enjoy ur camera..
Just my 2 cents..

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kadardr
By kadardr (Nov 22, 2012)

Christmas is coming. More reviews on the way until then

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michael bird
By michael bird (Nov 22, 2012)

I think I'll stick with my G10 for a while longer.....

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abolit
By abolit (Nov 22, 2012)

I don't get it. 5 out of 10 for raw image quality and it qualifies for gold award?

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Boky
By Boky (Nov 22, 2012)

does not make sense, does it....

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

Makes perfect sense to some. There are a lot more reasons a camera gets a gold award than just raw IQ- look at the review, read it, and then perhaps it will make sense.

Cherry picking one single aspect of the review, taking it out of context, .. its no wonder it doesn't make sense to either of you.

C

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paulski66
By paulski66 (Nov 22, 2012)

Well, technically, image quality is "one single aspect" of a review, but when we're talking cameras that's a pretty significant aspect, no?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 24, 2012)

It's relative to the users priorities. I can't speak for everyone only myself. DPR put's a lot of emphasis on image quality so yes, it is a significant aspect for them. Handling, build, fun factor, usability, ergonomics, are also significant factors for DPR (and myself included).

IQ talk is really a bunch of splitting hairs on forums these days. Most decent digital cameras have IQ that is beyond the need of most users. I mean, how many users here print or sell prints for that matter?

If they did, they'd realize which cameras really had the best IQ and which ones didn't. Some look good on a monitor but prints yield the truth. Most of the complaining I see stems from the "my toy is better than your toy" argument.

C

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Antony John
By Antony John (Nov 22, 2012)

Well I suppose that the RX100 is a 'camera on steroids' so it had its' Gold Award stripped.
It's also obvious that the actual scoring has little to do with the awarding of 'medals' and is only a subjective judgement by the tester.
As most cameras these days are producing excellent images one can choose one that fits one's pocket and one's needs.
Forget the ratings, they're meaningless.

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tarnumf
By tarnumf (Nov 22, 2012)

It's a bit more than just sensor size and ISO performance to make a great camera.. But Sony made a good push which will move other manufacturers trends.

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Boky
By Boky (Nov 22, 2012)

agree. subjective opinions on dpreview should never be related to percentages, scores and medals'.

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RStyga
By RStyga (Nov 22, 2012)

I'm sure it means a lot to review this P&S over Pentax Q...

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kitsios_spyros
By kitsios_spyros (Nov 22, 2012)

:)

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RStyga
By RStyga (Nov 22, 2012)

Ε, μα, να χέσω.... τρίτη φορά που τους τη λέω... still (we're) waiting for this review DPR... Q marked the beginning of a new compact system camera mount for Pentax, and it is well known how often Pentax changes or introduces a new lens mount; I think... never! Its SLR/DSLR mount is still K with AF improvements over the years. So, it's never too late, DPR.. Pentax Ricoh deserves as much.

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (Nov 22, 2012)

Lars, I just wanted to say that your scoring system doesn't confuse me. I'm not even feeling defensive because my camera of choice got a silver award. Glad you liked it. Keep it cool. :)

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tarnumf
By tarnumf (Nov 22, 2012)

DPR awards becoming the jokes no one laughing about...

Giving Gold to G series when removing such rare feature in P&S class as articulating screen? And dumping one control wheel too? And Canon doing this to G second time in series history?!

Huh... I wish you dump that "award" and per cent ratings altogether, before you got drowned in readers' frustration.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Nov 22, 2012)

Ultimate gauge of any camera system: image quality, AF/metering speed & accuracy and value. That's all that matters.

Of course, some may value articulating LCD and number of control wheels over the above criteria. :)

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tarnumf
By tarnumf (Nov 22, 2012)

No, it is not.
Ultimate gauge for any tool is what you can do and how effective you're with it.
Have you tried to shot unique moment overhead with fixed screen? I will give up all that quality for ability to actually see what's on the screen.

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Guidenet
By Guidenet (Nov 22, 2012)

I think it's a bit silly to consider the overhead shooting idea as anything but a very rare occurance. I certainly wouldn't want it considered very closely as anything but a very very minor metric towards any rating. If such a thing is important, just add some goof rating of your own and buy on that account.

IQ, ease of normal controls, AF, and other factors are much more important to most of us than shooting over other's heads.

On the other hand, Two control wheels is an important everyday shooting requirement for many.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

Speaking for all is dangerous, and best of all, mostly inaccurate. I think the G15 deserved the Gold Award as do most of the G series cameras. Just because it doesn't earn that award for you doesn't mean DPR's awards are a "joke". Despite the tantrum, all it means is that you just disagree. Simple as that.

So many tantrums on forums and the internet, so little logic.

Carl

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OneGuy
By OneGuy (Nov 22, 2012)

Looking like it came out of a cereal box, it makes no sense to test or comment on this cam's flare rejection. But for a kid with a small nose I can see it's a golden treasure.

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MaxiMax
By MaxiMax (Nov 22, 2012)

Canon PowerShot G15: 76% score, given a gold award.
Sony Cybershot DSC-RX100: 78% score, given a silver award????

I thought that 78% was higher than 76%.

Anyway, in my opinion, the RX100 is in a very different class than the G15.

-MaxiMax

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

Camera scores are only comparable within the same class, I think. Are these cameras in the same class? Price, sensor size, etc?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

Nope they aren't in the same class but that fact seems to totally elude a minority of readers with a seemingly majority of voice here.

Carl

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Nov 22, 2012)

I know this has been mentioned in other comments here, that I don't see why this camera gets a "Gold" award when other more deserving cameras did not.

1. Canon removes the articulating screen, assumably for their "take stuff off, add it back on a year later" cycle.
2. They put a faster lens on it - but a lens spec that's a year out of date, f1.8 when other cameras come with f1.4.
3. Same smaller sensor, rx100 has a sensor 2x as big.

The rx100 is actually innovative, with a sensor that's 2x as large. And iit gets a Silver award? The lx7 is also innovative with it's f1.4 lens (it also got Silver). But Canon's recycled, removed-some-features g15 gets Gold??

I don't know how the rx100 - which is the physically smaller camera - is in a different category that makes it get Silver, while the g15 - which is larger - gets Gold, but that is messed up.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

What other camera has a 28-140mm lens that's fast as the G15's? Yep, that's right, none. Also check the very informative focal length/aperture chart that my colleague Richard produced for this review. It illustrates this point very well. You'll find it on the features page of the review.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Nov 22, 2012)

I'm glad DPR has adopted this method of displaying aperture, as I've been asking for it for years now. However, you might want to do it like I do with the aperture scale reversed. That way "good" is "up". You could also enclose them to show a "performance envelope":

http://photos.imageevent.com/sipphoto/samplepictures/Compacts%20PE.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/sipphoto/samplepictures/Zooms%20PE.jpg

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zxaar
By zxaar (Nov 22, 2012)

@Lars what other camera is in RX100's class?? Thats right none. RX100 was second to not existing camera.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

Don't get me wrong, the RX100 is a great camera but the slower lens takes away a lot of the larger sensor's advantage. The lens is also shorter and the control interface is nowhere near the G15's. It's also a little slower in operation. Again, the RX100 is a great camera that I actually take out with me a lot but it's not all about the sensor.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Nov 22, 2012)

I love that the reviews now contain a lens aperture chart. That's fantastic. Seriously.

However...

"What other camera has a 28-140mm lens that's fast as the G15's? Yep, that's right, none."

And from the last page of the review -
"In reality the choice for many buyers will be between the G15 and the Nikon P7700, which with its 28-200mm lens is the only other camera in this class to offer a lens longer than 120mm. That said, at F4 its lens is a stop slower than the G15 at the tele end."

Miss the specs. I'm sorry, but - they do. At the long end it's *not* f4.0 for the p7700. To compare apertures, you need to compare at the same focal length - the g15 only goes to 140mm. At 135mm,the p7700 is f3.5.

At the wide end, the g15's f1.8 lens is only 1/3rd or 1/4th of a stop better than the P7700's f2.0 lens.

Which means at the wide end the g15 is 1/3rd of a stop better, at the long end it's 2/3rds of a stop better. But the p7700 zooms from 140mm-200mm - which the g15 does not.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Nov 22, 2012)

To be clear, the point isn't that the g15 is a "bad" camera - it's that it's nothing remarkable, or a noteable step forward. In fact Canon deliberately takes features like the articulating screen off of it.

It just doesn't seem at all balanced that cameras that make *actual* steps forward - like the rx100 and the lx7 - get Silver awards, while the g15 which is a "one step forward, one step back, and an incremental (and long overdue) update to the previous version" camera somehow gets a gold.

I could see them all getting gold awards, or them all getting silver awards...

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (Nov 22, 2012)

@PaulRivers I think the point is that whilst you are correct that rx100 etc may make notable advances in one key area, like getting a large sensor into a small body, it does so at the expense of other parameters, such as aperture.

Whereas the Canon, although its performance envelope might not extend out quite so far in any one particualar direction nevertheless encompasses a greater overall area, by dint of extending out to the 'good', if not exceptional, in most directions.

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AnHund
By AnHund (Nov 22, 2012)

@Lars Rehm.
"The slower lens takes away a lot of the larger sensor's advantage"

The RX100 is f/1.8 at the wide end. Slower?

How can a slower lens take anything away from the larger sensor - that is the worst nonsense I have read for years.

@Paul Rivers. The RX100 sensor is 2.7x larger than the G15 sensor, has a great Zeiss lens and ultra fast AF.

This is the reason why the RX100 is so much better than the G15, but they cannot be compared with Dpreviews point system because the two cameras rightly belong to different categories.

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micksh6
By micksh6 (Nov 22, 2012)

2Lars: "What other camera has a 28-140mm lens that's fast as the G15's? Yep, that's right, none. Also check the very informative focal length/aperture chart that my colleague Richard produced for this review. It illustrates this point very well."

Olympus XZ-2 and Fuji X10 are much faster than G15 according to this chart.

They don't go to 140mm, stop at 112mm, but these are also very old cameras (Olympus XZ-1 is almost 2 year old, it has the same lens as XZ-2). AFAIK there are no different categories for 112mm and 140mm lenses, but Olympus XZ is much smaller.

I just suggest to just drop awards. Many review sites did so because technology develops faster than they could add new categories for new products. The awards and scores lose meaning very soon as new products arrive.

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Kirppu
By Kirppu (Nov 22, 2012)

What is this pitching about RX100 silver award, does it make it a baaaaad camera? *sight*
Maybe it's just peoples trendy social ego that needs the gold award boost up so they can feel good about them self and tell everyone how good his/her camera tehcnically is. Silver award only gives hit.to the tech sawwy hipsters ego "oh how can I justify of buying an silver award camera, oh noes I can't."

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Nov 22, 2012)

@AnHund- yes, SLOWER. It's not just about wide. Thorough the lens range the RX100 becomes slower than the G15.

Yes, you can shoot wide at the same Aperture, but since these are zoom cameras, it's worth considering the entire range. It's not nonsense, slower apertures take away from the expected better higher iso performance.

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stevo2012
By stevo2012 (Nov 22, 2012)

Here is another good comparison of g15 to rx100. He basically comes to same conclusion as dpreview.
http://cheesycam.com/canon-powershot-g15-digital-camera-overview/

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Nov 24, 2012)

That's not really a review, it's a 3 paragraph bit on "I'm not giving up my rx100, but I guess the g15 is a good camera to".

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cancerrak
By cancerrak (Nov 22, 2012)

Now when large sensor compacts are available suddenly it is so easy to manufacture bright lenses.... Another proof that profit is more important than making users happy. Thank you Fuji, thank you Sony for pushing Canikon towards better cameras.

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luxor2
By luxor2 (Nov 22, 2012)

As shown in the photo of the poor hipster trying to use the viewfinder, the finder is placed poorly for easy use, he has to jam it into his nose and tilt his head to peer thru it. Horizons probably won't be level, a "hipster camera" look?
However, finder is good for vertical shots.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

I don't own a single pair of skinny jeans nor a fixie bike => I am not a hipster (I did go to a Crystal Castle gig once but thought they were terrible). Plus my nose is probably larger than average (as established in the Sony A200 review from a few years ago), most normally-nosed humans should be fine.

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

I have an almost comically long nose and have not found the finder to be a problem. Not that there couldn't be an even better position, but honestly I don't even think about it. It feels very natural.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Nov 22, 2012)

I was at the same gig and Lars is right - they were terrible and we didn't have any fun. So we're not proper hipsters.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Nov 22, 2012)

thx for sharing

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Nov 22, 2012)

- knows what a fixie is, denies having one [check]
- knows Crystal Castles, denies liking them [check]
- Denies being a hipster [check]

oh_you.jpg

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Teru Kage
By Teru Kage (Nov 22, 2012)

How much longer can prosumer DCs like this last? Traditionally, these have served as niche cameras to bridge the gap between compact DCs and D-SLRs. But with the introduction of MILC cameras, I can't see much of an argument in favor of buying pro-DCs. The size and price difference is negligible, and the performance of the MILCs are generally a few stops higher.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 22, 2012)

We thought the same thing when MILC started getting serious but cameras such as this and the RX100 show that there's still room for a smaller camera with a fast-ish fixed lens. They're still pocketable in a way that Mirrorless isn't.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Nov 22, 2012)

Obviously they are less popular than they once were. The space between the G15 and an entry level dSLR is no longer the empty chasm it was 4-5 years back. Demand for a high quality compact is far from zero though.

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David0X
By David0X (Nov 22, 2012)

As someone who just bought a P7700 for professional use, I think it's great that this class of compacts exists! For exteriors (good light) where you can shoot static subjects at base ISO, I can leave the DSLR at home. They are so easy to carry that I can make sure I always have it with me, so cheap they're almost disposable, and very versatile. I had not bought a compact for 5+ yrs and the increase in quality in that time is great.

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Prairie Pal
By Prairie Pal (Nov 22, 2012)

This may sound ridiculous but I honestly think that the G-series camera has found a perfect tactile experience that consumers are facinated with. I listened to an hour long documentary from an advertising executive who explained how the visual and touch experience of a product has a huge impact on the customers reaction. You gotta admit that the Canaon G cameras have a very solid feel, the perfect balance between heft and size, and responsive clicky buttons and dials.

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

Not ridiculous at all. I shopped extensively and handled many, many cameras over the period of a month or so. As you might expect, Tokyo is camera heaven, so it was easy to get my hands on everything. I set a budget, which in effect gave me a sensor size, and then just went out and played with cameras. It really came down to the G15 and the Nikon 7700. The G15 won because: 1. It has an integral lens protector; 2. I can actually fit it in my business shirt pocket; 3. It has exactly the amount of zoom I wanted and not a bit more; 4. The lens is faster; 5. I did not want an articulating screen, feeling them more appropriate for video cameras. I am more into stills; 6. In spite of never having handled a Canon before (I am a Nikon SLR guy), I was able, from a cold start (no reading, no prep of any kind) I was able to figure out the operation of the camera in a minute. One. Minute. Standing in the shop. This Canon is a masterpiece.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Nov 22, 2012)

@Teru- there's still something to be said about a camera you can seamlessly put in your pocket with a wide range of options. Also some ergonomics on some of these cameras are actually better than other MILCs, ironically.

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timo
By timo (Nov 22, 2012)

At the risk of being dismissed as a Pentax fanboy, I would respectfully ask why the K30, which scored three points more on the (admittedly dubious) scoring system, got only a 'Silver Award'; while this Canon got a 'Gold Award'?

It would be ignoble to suggest that DPReview has regard to which camera companies butter its bread, so I won't. But I would welcome an explanation.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

Fanboy :-)

see my reply on the post below this one...

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Nov 22, 2012)

Same explanation as we've given a million times before. Because we score cameras ACCORDING TO THEIR CATEGORY. So the K-30's score is fundamentally incomparable with that awarded to the G15.

And silver/gold awards are subjective. There's no intrinsic connection between % score and award (if any).

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timo
By timo (Nov 22, 2012)

Er ... um ... surely if they are scored relative to their category, why should they not be comparable? [shuffles nervously]

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 22, 2012)

Because, to give an extreme example, a good compact camera should get a good score, even though it's nowhere near as capable as a good pro-level DSLR.

Scoring everything on the same scale would give a pro-level DSLR a score of, say, 85% and a travelzoom around 15%. And, once you start making categories, you have to make boundaries, and sometimes cameras that are plausibly comparable fall on opposite sides of those boundaries.

Sadly this is unavoidable.

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timo
By timo (Nov 22, 2012)

Yes but - I already accepted that you score 'relative to the category', so my question stands.

Whatever ... :)

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

I cannot speak for the editors, but in some categories a 76% might be worth a Gold because it's really hard to get even that high a score. But, in another category, it is relatively easy to get a 78%. We see this in the Olympics all the time. It all depends on general expectations from the class, other competitors scores, etc. Plus there are intangibles: the simple feeling of joy that one gets from handling the G15 is quite remarkable, for example.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Nov 22, 2012)

Too much explanations. The best explanation is no explanation, because it is obvious (hence this is not)

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Nov 22, 2012)

@Timo- they are not comparable because the scale of what determines the award is relative and within the cameras of their own category. So a gold awarded compact may mean this is better than other compacts, and a silver awarded DSLR may determine that it's good, very good vs DSLR's in it's class but not the "top dog." But if it was the top dog, in its class then it would get gold.

They are really not comparable because the variables in giving the award ultimately rest in how he cameras in that category are doing, and where the camera reviewed falls in place, not across cameras of different categories.

I think the explanation they gave is relatively obvious. I can't think of a simpler way to put it :-)

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Theeky
By Theeky (Nov 22, 2012)

After your Canon PowerShot G1 X Review I can't take you [DPREVIEW] seriously in the scores for Canon products, sorry guys!

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Digitall
By Digitall (Nov 21, 2012)

Houston, we have a problem.

Will someone please enlighten me?

The significance of the medals worth the importance we want to give, but would like to understand the following situation:

Sony RX100 78% Overall score = Silver medal

Canon G15 76% Overall score = Gold medal

Thank you.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

Read here: http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guides/dpreviewscoresandratings01.htm

Also, the RX100 and G15 are not scored in the same class

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timo
By timo (Nov 22, 2012)

Lars, I would read it if the site would let me, but it won't. In any case, on previous occasions you (collectively) have made it clear that cameras are scored relative to their 'class'. So whether or not cameras are in the same class should be irrelevant.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 22, 2012)

The number is the score the camera gets from our tests and is about as objective as we can make it. The award, or lack of it, is based on the reviewer's overall opinion, having spent around a month living with the camera.

I admire the RX100, I liked the RX100 but I didn't love it - the experience of using it wasn't as compelling as the raw numbers might lead you to expect.

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timo
By timo (Nov 22, 2012)

In other words there is no strict correlation between the objective 'scores' and the 'awards'. This is bonkers, given that retailers and distributors will use the awards as accolades for marketing purposes, and buyers will be highly influenced by them. Why not have a more honest approach, ditch the awards, and have a paragraph headed 'our subjective impressions'?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 22, 2012)

if the G15 and RX100 are not in the same class, there is a serious problem.
The G15's predecessors were placed in the same category as, and judged against, cameras like the Olympus XZ-1, which had a similar format (size & controls) as an RX100. So why would we now segment it from an RX100 which is merely a normal EVOLUTION of this category? Just because the RX100 has the correct size sensor that we ALL want for this advanced compact fixed lens category? Because that is where this category is headed anyways.
In a year there may not be anymore of these 1/1.7" sensors for this category, replaced by 2/3" to 1". We might even see MFT go fixed as PanOly move to larger sensors in their interchangeable lens systems lines.
But for now, the RX100 trumps the G15 on size, because the best camera is always the one that you have with you when you need it! (and it's got a way bigger sensor!) ;-D

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WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (Nov 22, 2012)

You say you liked the RX100 but didn't love it. But you (or whoever) liked it enough to give the G15 a lower score, which from what I can tell means the RX100 is a preferable camera.

Yet you still give a camera which has a score in the mid 70s a gold medal. It makes absolutely no sense. It's like giving someone who came 3rd in the 100 metre sprint a gold medal.

I realise that you say medals are not based on their score but surely to give something a gold medal, it should be getting a score in the 90s? Doesn't a camera getting a gold medal and a score of only 76% devalue the gold medal somewhat?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 22, 2012)

I think he just made a mistake in judgement, and we should all stop bashing him for it (myself included), so he has time to mull it over, and come to the proper conclusion. Let's just hope that his boss, and their Cadvertiser, doesn't fire him for giving the RX100 the Gold if he decides to do it.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Nov 22, 2012)

I, too, cannot really see how the RX100 and G15 fall into different "classes". I'm also thinking that the whole scoring system, now with "subjective" awards and "objective" numbers, is fast becoming more trouble than its worth.

I'd be happy with no score. If people are too lazy to read the review, they can always skip to the conclusions. If "medals" are necessary, if they fulfill a need, fine, do the "olympics" gold-silver-bronze thing or go back to the old recommend/highly recommend. At the end of the day that's all I really needed to know: "ok, the guys at dpreview really liked this, I'll go check it out for myself". I can't imagine, I fear for humanity, should people be actually buying camera X rather than camera Y because it got 76% rather than 78% on dpreview.

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KerryBE
By KerryBE (Nov 22, 2012)

There are no absolutes in this expression of opinions. Their judgement/opinion is their judgement, not yours or bygone else's. lots of information for potential buyers to consider, Esp beyond te numerical score/awards. Is someone going to take better pictures if the RX 100 gets a gold award? I wish it had auto iso n manual mode. A real bummer for me.

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Digitall
By Digitall (Nov 22, 2012)

First, thank you all for answering my question/doubt.
Just a idea, do not let this experience will be better for the buyer's side, ie, we can all have personal opinion of the product, which is normal, but to make a score based on our personal taste is not the best way to provide unbiased information. imo. A note of personal opinion as a product reviewer is great indeed, but without affecting the raw score. If an left-handed do a review of a camera that has controls optimized for a right-handed, certainly will not get a good impression of the camera for their personal use, but does not invalidate the quality of the product itself, aimed at the masses.
I think that readers seek product raw information that is common to all os us. right-handed and left-handed people.
When someone observes suddenly the scores of these two cameras, the first impression is something not quite right with the review. As we are talking about top models from manufacturers on their compact lines I think. Cheers:)

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

Good heavens, how hard is it to understand that a high score doesn't equal a Gold medal? One year, a high score gets a gold, in the Olympics. Another year, the same high score (out of a fixed total, such as gymnastics) gets only a silver. Why? The competition was better! Additionally there are intangibles which can be commented on in the Medals which are not commented on in the more objective Scores. It's all very above board.

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redeye47
By redeye47 (Nov 28, 2012)

I would think the RX100 would be in the same class as the G1 X, not the G15.

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marike6
By marike6 (Nov 21, 2012)

Nice camera, but video shooters would be MUCH better off with the Nikon P7700 as it has full manual exposure, manual focus, 3 stop ND filter, tilt-swivel LCD, filter thread and mic input so you can attach a shotgun mic.

For stills, images look similar although the P7700 has better high ISO performance, and better looking jpegs.

Another top entry (or second to the P7700 and XZ-2 depending on the day) is the Fuji XF1.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

P7700 has a slower lens though, which will make quite a difference when shooting in low light.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Nov 22, 2012)

XF1 is pretty wild, but you do lose the viewfinder. For some people that will always be the deal-breaker.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 22, 2012)

Lars, you would have a point...
EXCEPT, my experience with a P7000 (f/2.8, 1/1.17" sensor), and an Olympus XZ-1 (f/1.8, 1/1.17" sensor), doing night photography, taught me that lens opening isn't all the story.
My Oly XZ1's night scene mode looked HORRIBLE compared to the night scene mode of my Nikon P7000. The Nikon's pictures looked like they were generations ahead of the Olympus in pairing up those pixels and producing a good end result.

I haven't done the tests you have... all I'm saying, is that you write it like it's a prediction ("WILL make quite a difference when shooting in low light"). It sounds like you haven't actually tried it.

So test these scene modes out, before making statements like they're a certainty.

Sometimes you may be as surprised as I was.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Nov 22, 2012)

@marike6:
Fanboy

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marike6
By marike6 (Nov 22, 2012)

I am a fan of faster lenses on P&S, but the 28-200 f2-4 lens of the P7700 is a good trade-off.

@photo nuts

Was just making a point about video specs, nobody asked you.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (Nov 21, 2012)

The AF speed of the G15 is VERY VERY impressive for a compact. I like the fast and bright lens too, much better than the one on Sony RX100.

What I don't understand is: why does the G15 AF so much faster than the EOS-M?

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Nov 22, 2012)

1. the focal range is much narrow on the G15 with its much shorter focal lengths allowing the changing of focus distance to be less.

2. The G15 is a newer camera.

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Nov 23, 2012)

DOF. The G15 has a huge DOF at any given aperture, so nailing focus faster is much easier. Also it looks like the EOS-M wasn't very well optimized. M4/3 have lightning fast focus due to the greater DOF as well.

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Simon97
By Simon97 (Nov 21, 2012)

I don't care for Canon's fat sharpening halos at low ISOs. The Nikon jpegs are better. At high ISOs, the tables turn and the Canon does better. If you shoot raw, select the camera with the features you like.

The RX100 is a bit of a disappointment to me. Better resolution and a bit better noise performance but the lens is a let down as you move away from the center of the image.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (Nov 21, 2012)

Hmm. Isn't this most directly competing with the Fuji X10?

The specs and form factor are strikingly similar, as are the dpreview scores, although Canon's late entry somehow gets gold while the year-older X10 gets silver? Not saying I love the X10 (I only have one because of software I wrote to fix the white orb problem), but I don't see why it isn't at least one of the defaults for comparison with the G15.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Nov 21, 2012)

Well I would add the P7700 to the list as well. I also have an X10 (a second copy with the new sensor) and I use it pretty much every day. I pull out great images out of it and though it has limitations, it's still my go to cam for many events. The G15 is def a winner too but I have not had a chance to play with it.

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marike6
By marike6 (Nov 21, 2012)

I agree, the X10 is an amazing camera. And actually, in a sense ground breaking, as it's the first compact of this generation to break the 1/1.7" sensor size with it's 1/2.3" sensor. Low light is superb on the X10 (in fact the only P&S with better low-light is the RX100). Speedy performance, and an extremely sharp f2-2.8 manual zoom (also a first). DPR does great with reviews, but they sometimes miss the significance of innovations, where firsts like Nikon 1 PDAF and processing, or X10 Manual zoom and larger sensor get overlooked, and not factored into scoring / awards.

Now that the X10 sensor has been replaced, there is no doubt in my mind that it's a better, more interesting camera than this nice, but slightly boring G15.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Nov 21, 2012)

I think you mean 2/3" sensor but yes, I do agree with your points about the X10.

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Nov 21, 2012)

I agree with all these comments. The X10 is far nicer looking, has as good a lens and imaging system, and has its advanced modes which combine multiple images to reduce noise and improve detail at high ISO (as opposed to Canon's HDR-only, tripod-only multiple image capability).

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marike6
By marike6 (Nov 21, 2012)

Oops. I did mean 2/3" sensor as an X10 with a 1/2.3" sensor would like a Pentax Q10 instead of X10.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Nov 22, 2012)

Just a side-note: If you've never seen the two cameras side-by-side you probably wouldn't have noticed that the X10 is significantly larger than the G15. The G15 is definitely the better option if you are looking for something that fits into a pocket.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Nov 22, 2012)

Remember a 2/3" image sensor is also written at 1/1.5" since mathematically 2/3=1/1.5 So your comment is 1/1.7" vs. 1/1.5" which brings is more relative.

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JohnRinJapan
By JohnRinJapan (Nov 22, 2012)

When I was shopping (just bought the G15 yesterday), I did not consider X10 and G15 to be in the same class *for myself*. My upper, upper limit was 50,000 yen. The X10 runs about 20% more. Also, I really wanted a camera that could fit in my shirt pocket. The G15 does this. Barely, but it does. If I was a little richer and had pockets just a wee bit bigger, I might have gone for the Fuji. I love so much else about it.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (Nov 21, 2012)

I have to find a way of offending a camera without offending either those who make it or those who buy it.

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solarsky
By solarsky (Nov 21, 2012)

Cook it; eat it.

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Nov 21, 2012)

LOL Another review, another award.
Awards should be for cameras that stand out, only the best tested should get it.
What does a dpr review mean really when 95% of cameras get at least a silver award?
If my child was an A-student I would be proud, if I knew 95% in his class get an A I would feel a lot less proud and would ask the teacher what is going on.
That's not to say I don't think the G15 is great, it's a general remark on the award flood here.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 21, 2012)

nikon cameras especially never deserve an award...

most components in a nikon are made by other companys who should get the award instead.

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jorg14
By jorg14 (Nov 22, 2012)

I don't think you understand the concept behind manufacturing.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 22, 2012)

Gives an advertiser bragging rights in their marketing... marketing drives traffic back here... traffic increases advertising revenue (expecially from very happy manufacturers to whom you granted bragging rights). LOL ;-)

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Nov 22, 2012)

PS:
@HenryMHertz: there are 30,000 parts manufacturers that supply the auto-makers with the parts they assemble into cars in their assembly plants... this is the same thing. I get your point, but it is all about execution. And Nikon does it well. Besides, with coopetition, the prices go down when some components are shared. When someone doesn't share your vision on execution, someone else will make it the way you want it. In the end, more choice at better price points.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Nov 21, 2012)

"The G15 is one of the latest wave of updated enthusiast compact cameras and it follows this season's trend...."

Gee-whiz, who is writing this laudatory copy, for cripe's sake? Canon G15 is a Zzzzzzz-ahumm camera that looks like a vintage 1960s East German design. There are actually cutting-edge digital cameras in the crowded marketplace today. It's just that the Canon G15 is not one of them.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (Nov 21, 2012)

ah here comes the troll francis carver again.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 21, 2012)

Would you care to identify which part of that quote is laudatory? Or even includes a value judgement, for that matter?

The G15 may look like existing G-series models but it's smaller and has a faster lens - which makes it much more interesting if you ask me (and that's speaking as someone who hasn't ever particularly enjoyed the G-series cameras).

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Nov 22, 2012)

FC- Just enjoy throwing tantrums? Nothing to add, nothing interesting to say?

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Nov 21, 2012)

We need a shootout!

X10 vs G15 vs P7700
and
XF1 vs S110 vs LX7 vs EX2 vs XZ2
and
G1X vs RX100 vs X100

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Nov 21, 2012)

We're hoping to do something along exactly those lines.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (Nov 21, 2012)

Sweet!

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dpLarry
By dpLarry (Nov 22, 2012)

Yes, ybizzle, agreed.

X10 vs G15 vs P7700 vs LX7...

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thirup
By thirup (Nov 22, 2012)

I can't wait to read that. It'll save me a lot of time, and make my life a little bit easier, when I need to choose one.

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GregGory
By GregGory (Nov 21, 2012)

Gold, gold...

Let me reach out for my 3M ear muffs and I'll voluntarily blind myself, but it still won't cut it against the Sony fan-boys moaning onslaught coming up on the next WEEKS...

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LKJ
By LKJ (Nov 21, 2012)

What on earth are you going on about?

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GregGory
By GregGory (Nov 23, 2012)

Read the comments here, or just do a search for RX100...

Having said this, it didn't turn out as bad as I anticipated based on the LX7 review, which blasphemously turned out to be a silver - just the like the RX100... Trumphing the RX100 with a Gold Award - ouch!

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Gothmoth
By Gothmoth (Nov 21, 2012)

wow this camera was released when?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Nov 21, 2012)

September.

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LKJ
By LKJ (Nov 21, 2012)

Try http://www.dpreview.com/products/timeline?category=cameras

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Nov 22, 2012)

Yeah I know, it completely slipped under my radar too!

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newe
By newe (Nov 21, 2012)

Thanks....maybe one for the wife...

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