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Announcing connect.dpreview.com

By dpreview staff on Oct 9, 2012 at 19:22 GMT

Today we're proud to announce the launch of connect.dpreview.com, a mobile, social and connected photography site from dpreview.com. Mobile photography and the ability to share images across social networks have helped foster a vibrant and creative new genre of photographic arts - one that is having a profound effect on the way we all shoot, share, discover and enjoy photography. Connect will explore, explain and embrace the social, mobile, app-driven, connected side of contemporary photography. Welcome.

We never imagined it would be easy for DPReview to acommodate the growing importance of the smart phone camera in the world of photography.

We, like most of you, are enthusiastic photographers, and also like most of you, we like to think that what sets us apart from casual snapshooters is that we are real photographers. Creative photographers. But we're wrong. Just like all of those photographers ten years ago that told us that real, creative photographers only use film were wrong. You may or may not be a fan of Instagram or Facebook or the glorification of the snapshot (and reading the forums as I do, it's obvious many of you don't), and that's totally OK. You might hate Instagram filters (though you have to know Instagram isn't about the filters, it's about the community). What you can't deny, however, is the powerful effect that this new generation of 24/7 photographers and sharers is having on our industry.

Back in 1997 when I was launching What Digital Camera magazine and a year later when Phil unleashed dpreview.com there were plenty in the photographic industry that simply refused to believe digital would ever be anything more than a niche for business users and computer hobbyists. And to a certain extent our industry got it even more wrong this time, underestimating the speed with which the cellphone would replace the compact camera in the mass market. Even two years ago I was regularly being told that smart phones simply weren't a threat because they didn't have zoom lenses or ISO control or a real flash, completely ignoring the fact that most of their target market just wanted something 'good enough' to take pictures to share on Facebook. Or the fact that the cameras on phones might actually get better than 'good enough'.

The good news is that camera manufacturers are waking up to the opportunity, embracing the growth in social photography by designing compacts that offer all the convenience and connectivity of a phone, but with the quality and photographic features of a 'real' camera. The Nikon Coolpix S800C and the Samsung Galaxy camera, which both run the Android operating system, are likely to be just the beginning. 

And we at dpreview.com need and want to be talking about what's happening in our industry. We're excited that the world of photography is experiencing an explosion of creativity and engagement that hasn't been seen since the first consumer digital cameras arrived almost two decades ago.

So, even if you've yet to take a mobile photo, we urge you to visit connect.dpreview.com to find out about the latest developments in connected cameras, apps, camera phones and the community and creativity that is growing up around them. You'll find the first two full in-depth reviews of camera phones, and I think you'll be pleased to discover that we've not forgotton what makes dpreview.com so unique; we won't be skimping on the technical side of our reviewing process. As well as an entirely new test scene for the comparison widget (which will be shared with conventional cameras in future) we've teamed up with the imaging scientists at DxO Labs to include a full suite of measured, objective tests .

What we're launching today is only the first step, and we have some really, really cool stuff to add in the coming months.

Simon Joinson, Editor-in-chief, dpreview.com

Footnote:

I would like to make clear that dpreview is not going to change as a result of this launch. By making connect a separate site, we're able to embrace the exciting world of mobile photography without having an impact on dpreview. Connect does not come at expense of the news, previews and reviews that have always been the core of the site. Success in projects like this (and the others that will follow in 2013) allows us to invest more resource into dpreview in the future.

Comments

Total comments: 256
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vetsmelter
By vetsmelter (Oct 10, 2012)

It is probably a good idea to enlarge share of DPReview in the new mobile photography trends w/o disturbing professional photographers.
-The site's layout looks too Wii , iPhone, Engadget style. A little bit dated.
Is this a req. of the Mobile community?

If so DP Review matches my N900 (N900: black with blue lining around the camera cover). But where is the N900 situated?
The thing is capable of shooting real RAW pictures :)

DP Review gets a lot of my reading time thanks to the eye friendly black background.

-The Connect forum limits to listing iOS, WP and Android as OS while at present the best mobile phone camera , the N808 is not running on any of those. (Symbian Belle)
I think the iPhone / Android users could really use a little bit confrontation with other alternatives but the Connect site is only steering them to Windows Phone.
We don't need to follow the paths of marketing managers alone.

-The phone database is still WIP , I suggest to include also "classics".

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xrosscountry
By xrosscountry (Oct 10, 2012)

This is great news! Very well done! Thanks alot. I'll be there every day.

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Nightwings
By Nightwings (Oct 10, 2012)

I like the idea of a sperate site ... But the layout is blinding without attaching ND16 filters to my glasses. Does the site come with a volume control? :) /jk

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

so based on the averaged feedback we should make both sites grey on grey? ;)

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

Put in my vote for 18% grey on grey please

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Guy Swarbrick
By Guy Swarbrick (Oct 10, 2012)

I don't care what colour it is, as long as the Android Tablet Forum isn't labelled Windows Tablet Talk...

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 10, 2012)

"so based on the averaged feedback we should make both sites grey on grey? ;)"

That's how Lightroom is.

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John Miles
By John Miles (Oct 10, 2012)

At Last; sincere recognition of the changes happening in the photographic world. As someone doing as much as possible to get DSLR control into the 'good enough' small sensor camera, and in particular to get the FZ50 upgraded, I find your paragraph - Back in 1997.... - a breath of fresh air.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50029392
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/42547238
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/42366095

And by way of a tribute:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/42545059

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riknash
By riknash (Oct 10, 2012)

Its really nice to see DPR trying hard to be an entity that strives to maintain their relevance by establishing a presence that will carry them into the future. There are likely more photographs created with these devices on a daily basis than with the conventional legacy camera. The revolution has only just begun!

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Oct 10, 2012)

If I can make a suggestion: at the top right of the new site is a handy link to this site. If you matched that with a link here to the new site, it would be easy to switch back and forth.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

coming...

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CDBayy
By CDBayy (Oct 10, 2012)

I LOVE this idea! Bravo to DPR for seeing the future!

A suggestion if I may... please include detailed information on exactly how these connectivity features work. I find it woefully inadequate to simply include in a review that a camera "has wifi." What exactly does it do? How well does it work? How long does it take to connect? Can I send photos direct to my smart phone? Does it require an existing wifi network, or can I send pics to my phone without a wifi network?
The Connected Camera is the future, but there will be many awkward steps taken by camera manufacturers over the next few years as we get there.

Even professional level DSLRs will soon have wifi and 4G. I work red carpets in Hollywood for a living, where the photogs all sprint to their laptops after the event is over to upload their best images to Getty or Wire. Working pros who cover news events and sports (not so much weddings) will adopt these connectivity features robustly.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

try this for starters http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0629776870/wi-fi-and-connected-cameras-get-smart

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oneANT
By oneANT (Oct 10, 2012)

awesome ...
seriously awesome Simon

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jj74e
By jj74e (Oct 10, 2012)

Is anyone else not that excited?

I mean, the site looks great- similar to other tech sites but a bit cleaner.

However, given the rate of reviews- the meat of dpreview's content- I'm not sure dpreview can provide enough content to keep readers interested.

When a new review comes out, it's great. But for the other weeks, I scarcely check dpr. Now there's an entirely new section and lens reviews? I'm not so sure..

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

if you're only interested in big reviews then we're doing more than ever but it'll never be enough.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Oct 10, 2012)

Well, honestly, I'd be OK if the reviews were less thorough if it meant more reviews.

But I just meant, given the rate of new content now on just this site, I'm in doubt of whether or not DPR has the manpower to produce enough content for lens reviews and this new site. But I guess they hired more people...?

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Oct 10, 2012)

Looks great. Actually looks better than this site.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

And some of the new stuff (like the new image gallery carousel widget) will make its way into dpreview once it's been tweaked. Which I am very excited about because I hate our current sample galleries display...

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Phil Askey
By Phil Askey (Oct 10, 2012)

Meow

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

Purr

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

Phil, are you a cat lover, out of curiosity? I have a tabby 'owner' here myself. (or "moggy" as you might call 'em! :P )

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luisflorit
By luisflorit (Oct 10, 2012)

The word "IPhone" appears 21 times in the first page of connect, while Samsung 6 times, and Nokia (that according to DPR has the best camera in any phone) only 3. Ipad appears 9 times....

Is this new site serious, or just and ad?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

There is a lot more content on the way, including reviews of Samsung and HTC products. And Nokia, too. You can't judge a site by it's content on day one.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Oct 10, 2012)

In plain English...

They made a "clone" of DPR for reviewing / reporting / discussing non-camera devices that have cameras in them.

They call these non-cameras "connected devices".

They hired a whole new masthead of writers to run it...

http://connect.dpreview.com/misc/contributors

This allows DPR to maintain its focus, while still covering the emerging wave of non-camera cameras. I think this is an extremely smart approach. Bravo!

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

Thanks - we agree. Both sites will develop, and the intention is for them to complement one another, not compete for resources. Hopefully it's a win-win.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Oct 10, 2012)

Yes, I also don't see any harm in them occasionally linking to each other -- just as you link to other sites.

However, I think it is a really good idea to keep them both separate. DPR works really well as it is, and has acquired a certain audience :-) which is different from the connected device hordes.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 10, 2012)

I wonder why two sites instead of one? By this choice you emphasize how different mobile photography is from what you refer to as "serious" photography. I believe this is an opportunity lost for dpreview to grow as a community. By your choice of two different sites you are promoting the focus on technology rather than photography. It is a subtle difference if dpreview a) focus on the technical aspects of photography to be complimentary to other websites who focus on the artistic side or b) focus on the technical side of photography because this is all what you can see. This difference of view is shaping attitude. Where readers of type a) would embrace mobile photography and look for things to learn from this new exciting community, readers of type b) would alienate. I am afraid for dpreview that your choice of two sites will attract more readers of type b) and repel more type a), making dpreview a less attractive place for me to come back to.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

for your answer, check out the response to anything we post about mobile photography, here in the comments, or in the forums. And to be honest it's not really a different site, it's more a different department.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 10, 2012)

Yeah, I saw many posts. Let me make sure we are talking about the same type of posts and that we interpret them the same way:
1) dpreview writes about mobile photography
2) a huge portion of readers respond with alienating comments
Let me know if this is what you feel is the problem and if that is why you chose to split the community. Or if you have other considerations or you refer to other kind of posts, please be so kind to share them.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

this is basically correct. I don't see it as splitting the community, but of expanding DPR without alienating our core audience.

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Oct 10, 2012)

This site is full of old fuddy duddies who think anything innovative is stupid and who think anyone who likes mobile/connected photography is not a serious/skilled/talented photographer. The new site lets you explore that booming market without having to listen to a bunch of geriatrics whine that their kids' iPhone doesn't have interchangeable lenses. Great idea. Good move. I have just changed my bookmarks to go to the new site first, and will come back here to read news now and then.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 10, 2012)

Dear Simon,
I think Reg is illustrating the point of splitting the community. And you can find many posts from the other camp who welcome the removal of mobile photography from dpreview to "unclutter" it. So the splitting the community is a fact and ongoing. If you are still not seeing this, post us why you think this is still one community when one camp is belittling the other camp and one camp is not motivated to read about what is going on in the other camp. To me, that is the definition of two communities. A continuation of this situation shows to mature photographers, that both communities are very immature. There is a great chance for both camps to learn from each other! The "Serious" camp can learn from the "connected" camp on how to shoot pictures more often, the "Connected" camp can learn from the serious camp on how to improve the skill of taking pictures. Instead of fostering invigorating discussions you chose the stagnation of isolation through separation.

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Oct 10, 2012)

Hubert, you seem like a good guy, but you're off base on this. There's no learning from each other going on here. There are just two groups insulting each other. There's one group that fancies themselves "serious photographers", and they worry a lot about IQ and lenses and manual controls. There's another group that values mobility, connectivity, spontaneity and community over IQ. The two groups don't like each other, and they don't respect each other.

I'm guilty of this behaviour. Personally, I want to regurgitate every time I see another blurred background flower or insect macro or other such photographic cliche from some guy who shoots four times a year with a DSLR rig. I have no doubt at all that guy feels the same about my photography. I'm not going to convince him that his photography has no relevance. He's not going to convince me that mine has no beauty.

Sometimes, divorce is the right answer. I'll still come back here for a booty call now and then, though. :)

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 10, 2012)

I think that, if this split means that DPreview is responding to the fact that many of us are serious or hobbyist photographers and consider mobile phone snapshots to be beneath what we aspire to and want dpreview.com to mostly be about the more serious stuff, then I think it's great.

It has nothing to do with being a "fuddy duddy." I liken it to how Nikon makes the Coolpix products even as they make their DSLRs. I can appreciate their fine DSLRs without having to goof around with their Coolpix soccer-mom cameras. Sure Nikon is still making soccer-mom Coolpixes for the snapshooters I see as beneath us enthusiasts, but it's a separate division from the DSLRs they make for us enthusiasts.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

Dear Simon,
I am changing my point of view: dpreview was correct in splitting the communities and to make connect a separate site. Spending time in communicating with the existing dpreview community taught me this lesson ( which most likely you learned earlier than me). For the new connect site to grow it needs an open minded readership which gives constructive criticism. It is sad ( and very harmful to the original dpreview community ) that a too large portion of the original dpreview community can not embrace ( or at least leave it in peace ) this new exciting segment of photography. Congratulations again to your launch of connect. I wish you strength and perseverance in building a new community. I also appreciate the clear separation of content of dpreview classic and connect, so I do not waste time browse both sites to find an Article. In other words there is only a small penalty for me using two sites and this is more than offset by having only constructive feedback on connect.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

Dear Simon,
I am changing my point of view: dpreview was correct in splitting the communities and to make connect a separate site. Spending time in communicating with the existing dpreview community taught me this lesson ( which most likely you learned earlier than me). For the new connect site to grow it needs an open minded readership which gives constructive criticism. It is sad ( and very harmful to the original dpreview community ) that a too large portion of the original dpreview community can not embrace ( or at least leave it in peace ) this new exciting segment of photography. Congratulations again to your launch of connect. I wish you strength and perseverance in building a new community. I also appreciate the clear separation of content of dpreview classic and connect, so I do not waste time browse both sites to find an Article. In other words there is only a small penalty for me using two sites and this is more than offset by having only constructive feedback on connect.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

Dear Reg,
Thank you for your comment. It took me a day to let it sink in, but I think now I will do the same. I had no clue about mobile photography and was reading posts in here. I now know that most posts have been totally misleading, which would have guided me into a very wrong direction. I have been an avid reader of dpreview for years. I think it is time to look for a new web site which has a community which is more open and editors who engage more in discussion with their community. I could also simply ignore any comments and just read teh reviews only. But my concern is that editors which review for their readers tend to share the same opinions as their readers. Thus I am worried in the future reviews in dpreview will misguide me as well.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

Dear Reg,
Thank you for your comment. It took me a day to let it sink in, but I think now I will do the same. I had no clue about mobile photography and was reading posts in here. I now know that most posts have been totally misleading, which would have guided me into a very wrong direction. I have been an avid reader of dpreview for years. I think it is time to look for a new web site which has a community which is more open and editors who engage more in discussion with their community. I could also simply ignore any comments and just read the reviews only. But my concern is that editors which review for their readers tend to share the same opinions as their readers. Thus I am worried that in the future reviews in dpreview will misguide me as well. After all I spend my hard earned money based on reviews in here and if they misguide me, I am stuck with lesser equipment.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

Dear Reg,
Thank you for your comment. It took me a day to let it sink in, but I think now I will do the same. I had no clue about mobile photography and was reading posts in here. I now know that most posts have been totally misleading, which would have guided me into a very wrong direction. I have been an avid reader of dpreview for years. I think it is time to look for a new web site which has a community which is more open and editors who engage more in discussion with their community. I could also simply ignore any comments and just read the reviews only. But my concern is that editors which review for their readers tend to share the same opinions as their readers. Thus I am worried that in the future reviews in dpreview will misguide me as well. After all I spend my hard earned money based on reviews in here and if they misguide me, I am stuck with lesser equipment.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 11, 2012)

My apologies for multiple post. I had an unreliable connection and my post was not showing thus I re-posted.

Dear Reg,
I was not seeing your reply previously ( I was too stupid to find this other button on seeing more replies )
Thank you for your reply! After spending a day here in discussion I am forced to 100 % agree with you on that there is such a huge lack of respect that divorce seems to be the answer. I also had no success in motivating anybody to see the riches of which the other side could bring. I am just wasting my time here trying. I will try to find another place with readers more open and where the first concern is to take a picture and the second is curiosity how to take pictures with different devices.

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Gesture
By Gesture (Oct 10, 2012)

Thanks for dragging us old-timers with reduced kicking and screaming into this brave new world of imaging. Years ago, decades ago (film era), American Photographer gave point and shoot cameras to "everyday" citizens. The results were superb, so I never disparage someone with less fancy equipment or less experience.

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 10, 2012)

I second this and go one further. Photography is a skill and skill improves with practice. I envy those happy snappers shooting more pictures than I and wondering when they will shoot better pictures than I or better, how I can I learn from them to shoot more pictures myself :-)

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

If this can siphon off some of the incessant icrap, instagarbage and farcebook nonsense that has been clogging up dpreview lately, then I am all for it.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

then i guess you're all for it

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mjdundee
By mjdundee (Oct 10, 2012)

the next generation does already exist - in a parallel universe.
for dpr this is a parallel market not to be missed.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

I guess I am.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

and yet, despite us going to all this effort precisely for members like yourself you still seem kinda annoyed with us. Can't do right for doing wrong...

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

You're probably right. No, really. Nothing pleases us! (cry)
But, a group compact waterproof review for the holidays might assuage some of this this inner-pain, hint hint!

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

@Camediadude - we tried so hard to do that this year. I got all the cameras in, made promises to manufacturers (and embarassed excuses consequently) but we just couldn't do it. Not possible with all the pre-Photokina releases.

Sorry - we tried.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Oct 10, 2012)

Ok, thank you. I appreciate that you tried and were even thinking of it. There is always next time I guess! Maybe by next year some cool new WP models will come out to make it worth it, who knows.

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Al Patterson
By Al Patterson (Oct 10, 2012)

Looks like an alternate skin here on dpreview. Now, I'd like a mobile version that can scale well on my mobile device...

I'll certainly link there and see what develops... (pun intended)

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mainger
By mainger (Oct 10, 2012)

White (ie readable) background? I must be dreaming!

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jquagga
By jquagga (Oct 10, 2012)

Wait wait - they have readable fonts! And its not white on black! Can we "accidentally" copy that css file over here? :).

If that's one of the potential "skins" for this side of things, then my only question is "how soon?!"

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HubertChen
By HubertChen (Oct 10, 2012)

Yeah! I second this one with emphasis. I understand that using black background makes the pictures zing and this is a photography site. But with my eyes getting older your site is becoming harder and harder to read. After reading ( white and black ) for a while and then looking at the pictures they appear to me as having white horizontal lines in them, distracting me from their content. So I need to look for one minute at something else before I can enjoy pictures. I saw some compromise sites that have black text on dark gray background and images had a deep black frame. That looked as zinggy but was more friendly to read. Or simply make skins and allow your readers to choose.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Oct 10, 2012)

Its good. Apple is moving out of dpreview.

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Braxton7
By Braxton7 (Oct 10, 2012)

LOL the picture in the title says it all. I hardly see any pedestrians anymore that are not looking at their phone. I just nick them the first time or honk .

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VadymA
By VadymA (Oct 10, 2012)

Mobile site and no App? That's not how Steve Jobs would launch it...

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

Steady on, we're not superhuman ;) one thing at a time.

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Nightwings
By Nightwings (Oct 10, 2012)

@Barney

You're NOT??? Alrighty then, I'll lower my expectations back down to a reasonable level. :)

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vlad0
By vlad0 (Oct 10, 2012)

Great idea! Bravo..

The 808 is a great window into the feature of mobile photography.. interesting times.

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G3User
By G3User (Oct 10, 2012)

This connect site just further dumb downs photography. We wonder why there is no money to be made in photography any more. Now we have Dpreview caving to the pressure of soccer moms and others who hold up these stupid devices without a viewfinder who can't even see what they are taking a picture of in bright light and just snapping away. Thanks Dpreview for contributing to the further decline of photography. Not even worth going to college for anymore. How can you justify a B.S. in Photography if it comes down to this?

Just my take. Thanks for reading if you read it.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Oct 10, 2012)

Maybe this as an opportunity to educate soccer moms that a better picture can be taken with whatever equipment is in your hand, therefore elevating pure photography and expanding its reach?

And maybe not only might the "great unwashed" be exposed to what photography is supposed to be, but tempting them to pick up the "correct" equipment that you'd like them to be using, that might even have an optical viewfinder for optimum "virtue" and through this, they might be "saved"?

As opposed to writing off soccer moms and keeping photography as a medieval church where there a few high priests using "blessed" equipment and everybody else is a heathen?

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Oct 10, 2012)

I got a degree in photography and i can still sell a grand plus of a portrait sit. I am always stunned when people say there is no money to be made in photography. I guess this bread in my mouth and roof over my head are imaginary

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (Oct 10, 2012)

I just wonder (for perhaps a millionth time) why has there always been such a row about equipment, and so much less about what comes out of it? If photography still is just another form of communication (and nothing - except maybe the contests - has ever changed that), then surely the final expression is the important part? Every image is 90% about its author.
Let's remember that the World's best poetry was not typed, but instead written using a split bird feather and squid-squeezed liquid (called sepia "ink") on dried animal skin or pressed reed leaves (pergament, papyrus)...
The words was what counted, and what still counts.
Ditto, what's important in photography are the images.
So don't let the manufacturers of shiny devices and their spin doctors make you forget that. Twenty or a hundred years from now we'll use our eyes (and some implants) for taking photos anyway... ;)

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poochpie
By poochpie (Oct 9, 2012)

how about a serious website for photographers to showcase their work, include a bio and connect it with other social media sites.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

good idea...

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Oct 10, 2012)

theres like 10 already.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Oct 10, 2012)

...Another one??

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Teddy
By Teddy (Oct 9, 2012)

Ironically, the site won't open in my mobile phone (4s).

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

less 'ironic' and more 'embarrassing' - we're working on a fix

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Steven Wandy
By Steven Wandy (Oct 10, 2012)

Ted and Simon - I was about to post the problem (iPhone 5) and saw that you beat me to it.
Hope there will also be a mobile version of the new site.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 10, 2012)

i'm told the immediate problem has been fixed. Mobile version coming soon.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Oct 10, 2012)

it may be embarrassing but its still pretty ironic too

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Jan2009
By Jan2009 (Oct 9, 2012)

Will connect have a similar photo contest as DPR challenges, aimed for mobile devices?

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 9, 2012)

yes. though since we have to support devices and get rid of flash it'll take a while

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Jan2009
By Jan2009 (Oct 9, 2012)

Oh Yeah!That flash problem with Jellybean Android, no worries then. I'll mess around with connect :)

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JohnyP
By JohnyP (Oct 9, 2012)

not even remotely interesting for me. Everyone and their grandma are writing blogs about mobile devices, apps, social networks and make reviews of all this.

Instead of starting side ventures - how about publishing more relevant content on the DPreview? Some of your recent non-review, mini-articles are either too basic or not interesting.

Or how about the review of the recent book on Zone System? The review is as basic as the book and seems like it was put up only to include the referral link to your amazon account so you can earn that fee.

I know it takes money to run this site and all, but your recent race to make more money and hire people has came at a price. We don't see reviews of interesting new cameras until the cameras have been out for a while and their replacement is around the corner. I come to DPreview only to see official images of the new cameras since even as far as news go - you are no longer ahead of the crowd.

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JohnyP
By JohnyP (Oct 9, 2012)

Continuing: Rumor sites have all the latest news, since DPreview won't publish them out of fear to run into trouble with manufacturers who provide pre-production cameras. But whats the point if the reviews come out way after the official release and after everyone else published their reviews? Yes, you still provide more information than others in your reviews, but tell us honestly what percentage of people simply skips to "Conclusion" and rating page. You also became too politically correct with manufacturers and do not criticize them hard enough when they get lazy or make obviously poor decisions. It is reflected in the rating, but rating alone is not providing nearly enough commentary on what could have been done better and differently. I wish DPreview all the best and write this because i care. If i wanted to be a part of "connect" i would be on facebook, flickr, 500px and every other so called "social" site (really just self promotion and narcissism sites)

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Oct 9, 2012)

It looks good, I wouldn't expect anything less from dpr. But considering how much effort this must have been and how few reviews there are one has to wonder why?
How ironic that a site that wouldn't touch a compact camera 2 years ago now launches this.

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jase
By jase (Oct 9, 2012)

Can't open due to too many redirects iPhone4

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BJL
By BJL (Oct 9, 2012)

It seems not to work on mobile devices (fine on iPad but fails on iPod), which is ironic if true.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 9, 2012)

less 'ironic' and more 'embarrassing' - we're working on a fix

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David0X
By David0X (Oct 9, 2012)

It's great!

I read the iPad article and it's the best I've seen; found out in 10 mins what it took me days of searching before to glean.

Will become a valuable resource I'm sure.

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Alan Brown
By Alan Brown (Oct 9, 2012)

I tried.. http//.connect.dpreview.com and my Sony Experia NeoV using Android 2.3.4 reports
Data connectivity problem (ironic with a site called connect)
'the page contains too many server redirects'

is this too early in the setup for Android users?

or have i got it wrong and the site uses an app I should have downloaded?

Chrome is fine...

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (Oct 9, 2012)

Best Wishes with your new project! The market is overwhelming, and I presume there will be tons of work to keep up-to-date.
Please excuse the nagging, but doesn't it signify yet another item added to the list of priorities - ahead of much discussed urgent need for DPR Challenge problem(s) solving? New projects tend to require more time until their workflow stabilizes... and Challenge changes are still patiently awaited.
Thanks, and Good Luck / Light!

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absentaneous
By absentaneous (Oct 9, 2012)

I wanted to subscribe to this new site but there's no feed.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Oct 9, 2012)

Coming..

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increments
By increments (Oct 9, 2012)

Generally like the look, but that homepage is way too cluttered. It's not quite as bad as the BBC Sport page in terms of a scattergun feel, but 3 columns of unaligned content is too much to effectively display any of it.

Less is more.

Other than that, it makes this site look very dated.

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abluesky
By abluesky (Oct 9, 2012)

Change the format of this site to the mobile one as well.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 10, 2012)

Various things will be adapted for inclusion in both sites. Anything which we all agree works on one, will if possible, be incorporated into the other.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Oct 9, 2012)

Bravo. Great job. With Bluetooth technology I really don't care what form factor my phone has. What I really want is a smart camera that is small and has phone access with interchangeable lenses.

I don't want them to put a camera in my phone. I want them to put a phone in my camera.

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bmlsayshi
By bmlsayshi (Oct 9, 2012)

I still don't understand what the new site is supposed to be. Is it a mobile phone/tablet photography blog?

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (Oct 9, 2012)

I think it's more or less a 'try-out' or 'experiment' platform for DPR to see in which way they want to go mixing photography, commercial and sociall media content.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Oct 10, 2012)

In plain English...

They made a "clone" of DPR for reviewing / reporting / discussing non-camera devices that have cameras in them.

They call these non-cameras "connected devices".

They hired a whole new masthead of writers to run it...

http://connect.dpreview.com/misc/contributors

This allows DPR to maintain its focus, while still covering the emerging wave of non-camera cameras. I think this is an extremely smart approach. Bravo!

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wskb
By wskb (Oct 9, 2012)

$5,000 grand prize! You guys are serious about getting this up and running then! Maybe I'll finally have to get Instagram, then again, maybe not...

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Doug Pardee
By Doug Pardee (Oct 9, 2012)

Initial impression: very nice. I'd like to see app-related stuff more clearly divided into applicable devices: iPhone, iPad, Android phone, Android tablet, etc. In particular, the "Apps" list doesn't allow me to select Android-only (and Android-phone-only) apps. Okay, slippery slope there because of different Android versions, but even a simple iOS/Android/other selection would be nice.

Speaking of the apps list, I'm amazed that Streamzoo isn't on there yet. And Camera 360, which is probably the most flexible free Android camera app. A few others I use on Android: Cymera, FX Camera, and Retro Camera.

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Magnus3D
By Magnus3D (Oct 9, 2012)

I think there is too much focus on Apple and their products and apps for them on that site. This makes the site completly meaningless to me and millions of other mobile device users since i don't use toys from that specific company.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 9, 2012)

I have to admit, I don't get it.

Even if my mobile device had a full-frame sensor and a great lens, I would never, ever, put an image on the web from the device when I took it, for lots of reasons:

- It tells people in real-time where I am (for example, that I'm not home), and I don't want that information to be freely available to anyone that wants it.
- The screens on these devices are totally uncalibrated and usually so far out of real calibration that they are just useless for post processing, and quite dubious for viewing images of any quality.
- If I'm out, the lighting environment I'm in could vary enormously thus greatly affecting how I would process the images.
- I want to choose the images I post from a whole set carefully after seeing them all together.
- I want to post-process my images with Lightroom before I post them, and LR doesn't run on any of these devices.
- I often shoot in raw, and most of these devices can't handle the processing or storage needs of raw.

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Oct 9, 2012)

I don't think you get the point of taking pictures with a mobile device, maybe you get shot's you would never normally get with all your kit, try it one day.

Some of the new upcoming windows8 tablets will be able to run any programme you have on a PC anyway, so there's lightroom, photoshop etc for you

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 9, 2012)

Oh, I have a compact in my pocket all the time (one vastly superior to cell phone cameras), I just wouldn't put those images on the web immediately, even if I could.

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Doug Pardee
By Doug Pardee (Oct 9, 2012)

There are a lot of kinds of photography that I don't get, but it doesn't bother me. Chacun à son goût. If you're really curious, though, there's an article over at the new site: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0343149657/star-rush-mobile-photography

I think it's fair to say that by-and-large, this stuff is used as "Twitter with pictures." It's simply, "I saw this and thought this." Most of it's relatively inconsequential snapshots, and nothing worth worrying about lighting and post-processing. Instagram's photos are 612 pixels square, minus whatever space any frame takes up. Yeah, about 1/3 megapixel. They're not fine art.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 9, 2012)

Okay, I read the article, and watched the video above. I don't get it. The idea of sharing crummy images of mundane moments of my everyday life - or those of the lives of others - absolutely repels me. At the very least, I might share them some hours later, and never as single images but as collections that tell the story of something out-of-the-ordinary that I did that day. Seeing a black-and-white picture of washing machines is just about as interesting as watching my carpet grow.

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Class Four
By Class Four (Oct 12, 2012)

lfinger, I have to agree with you. I take enough bad photos with great equipement. I don't need any help from my smart phone and I sure wouldn't want to bore people with crappy photos.

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mapu
By mapu (Oct 9, 2012)

No RSS feeds?

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (Oct 9, 2012)

They are on the way

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (Oct 9, 2012)

The "like" vote on both these posts (esp. on Scott's reply) is a good example of why we should get rid of this system.

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Robert F. Tobler
By Robert F. Tobler (Oct 9, 2012)

One (hopefully very temporary) problem with the connect site, is that although you nicely report on products like the iPad with its retina display, but you do not serve retina images on the site... (of course this applies to this site as well).

I am eagerly awaiting any announcement in this direction...

Other than this, I like the design better than the classic one.

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (Oct 9, 2012)

Great idea! I think you have hit it on the spot justifying the new site BRAVO!!

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photo perzon
By photo perzon (Oct 9, 2012)

This is a great opportunity to moderate and censor the mean language and bullies that have been posting in the forums. There are members using bad words and mean comments that do not belong in this fine website.

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gail
By gail (Oct 9, 2012)

What do you expect when the site owners (Amazon) allow and tolerate the unrelenting vitriol spew as it does in the Off Topic Forum?!

Who are the moderators anyway? What's the big secret? Other forums lets participants know who they are!

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 10, 2012)

I will say that I think the definition of what a "bully" is is getting a bit ridiculous. A bully is someone who beats you up or shames you as a PERSON in terms of your REAL name. People posting passionate opinions & us debating these opinions under aliases is hardly bullying.

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Dennis
By Dennis (Oct 9, 2012)

No impressions on the content on the site as I don't even own a mobile phone ... but I have to say the clean look with the white background is much easier on the eyes than dpreview.

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roblarosa
By roblarosa (Oct 9, 2012)

NICE! Congrats.

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RDCollins
By RDCollins (Oct 9, 2012)

Good looking site!

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alwye
By alwye (Oct 9, 2012)

There are iPhone photographers, and there are dpreview iPhone photographers...

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (Oct 9, 2012)

It's like listening to a radio station that played metal, managed to get some considerable audience, bought out by a music conglomerate and switched to pop.
Nothing against pop, really, it just ain't metal.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Oct 9, 2012)

We're not switching. Dpreview isn't going to change.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 9, 2012)

it's like having a metal station AND a pop station!

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Oct 9, 2012)

We're going to cover both kinds of music: Country and Western.

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (Oct 9, 2012)

Whoa! Who's left?! :)

I'm glad at least that you guys get my meaning.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 9, 2012)

"We're going to cover both kinds of music: Country and Western."

Finally, we know the real owner of Bob's Country Bunker.

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riveredger
By riveredger (Oct 9, 2012)

It's more like a radio station that played big band has finally started playing rock & roll. This is DIGITAL photography in a connected world, folks - it's not just you in your darkroom anymore. Get on the bus or be left behind :-)

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harry cannoli
By harry cannoli (Oct 9, 2012)

What, no Metallica? I like Metallica. I hate country music. Too twangy.

Seriously, Congratulations DPReview on your new launch. Good Luck!

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Jan2009
By Jan2009 (Oct 9, 2012)

I see it as old school more serious photo people will stays with DSLR and black DPR, while the masses with camera phones will use white Connect which is primarily driven by mobile devices.

Good and smart business move. Separate the kids from the not so young kids :)

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JohnyP
By JohnyP (Oct 9, 2012)

but now it J-POP, K-POP, and dream-POP! Others know better what you need, you are just a clueless user....just like me i guess....

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echelon2004
By echelon2004 (Oct 9, 2012)

Good luck with the new site, I think it will be a valuable addition.

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KAMSA
By KAMSA (Oct 9, 2012)

+1

reg.

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