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Just deployed: New dpreview.com forums system

By dpreview staff on Oct 3, 2012 at 21:29 GMT

We've just deployed the redesigned forum system - the biggest single change we've made since our forums were created, over 13 years ago. As discussed in an earlier news post, the new software will closely match the behavior of the existing system but with a range of additional features and with scope for further expansion in the future. We've sifted through the feedback from the preview announcement we made last week and have developed a list of requested features that we will start working on.

Existing feedback:

From our first round of feedback we have identified a series of features that we will be implementing in the coming weeks and months, including:

  • 'm.forums' mobile-device-friendly version of the forums
  • Alternative colorschemes / skins
  • 'Ignore thread' option
  • 'Mark as read' option for threads
  • Additional requested tweaks and improvements

But we've listened to all the feedback and will continue to add features and behavioral adjustments.

Clarification on user moderation:

We would also like to make a clarification about community moderation and the role of down-voting in the new forums. When we talk about community moderation, we are referring to a group of hand-picked moderators who have volunteered from within the forums communities and whose actions will be overseen, not simply entrusting moderation to up- and down-voting. We will also be working very carefully when setting thresholds for any systems based on voting so that they can't be easily rigged. These systems will not be introduced until we think they can be introduced in a way that truly benefits the community.

More features coming

In addition to the requested tweaks and feature additions that were requested in the first round of feedback, there are a series of features that the new system will allow us to add. These include:

  • User reviews
  • User articles / blog posts
  • User polls
  • Better filtering (time / date ranges ...)
  • Trending / hot stuff page
  • Better integration with product pages (ability to ask / see questions on product pages...)

More feedback wanted

However, we know that a change this big will inevitably have a few teething troubles and features that need to be fine-tuned, so we're looking for feedback on any bugs you spot or changes you think have to be made. Please send your feedback using this webform, where they will be monitored to help make the new forums as enjoyable as possible.

Comments

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em_dee_aitch
By em_dee_aitch (Oct 4, 2012)

Simon -

A few things I have noted (not sure if they are mentioned below, as I have made no attempt to read all comments):

1. In individual threads, post times are now just stated in GMT rather than the more relativistic and simple to read "5 hours ago" or "37 minutes ago," etc. Of course I have no objection to an absolute time stamp being included, BUT you really need to have the "hours/minutes ago" feature added back on.

2. This was an issue in the old system that has become WORSE in the new system: Your right hand column ad content frequently floats over both menus (such as the rollover/popup forum menu) and inline gallery content, such as when you expand a photo in a thread for larger viewing. Since these are static ads there is no way to dismiss them and it ruins viewing of the content.

3. OP's name is no longer mentioned in forum summary view, which is bad. This needs to be added back.

4. Previously viewed threads need to register as different color.

Thanks,
David

5 upvotes
jpr2
By jpr2 (Oct 4, 2012)

I do concur with the 3. very much

3 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

funnily enough we talked about this at length and i decided 'the topic is more important than who posted it' so decided that we could drop the username (rather than truncate the message title). I did this because on most forums i visit I don't know most posters from Adam. As an interim you can see who posted by hovering your mouse over the thread title, but yeah, if everyone wants the username back, we'll put it back.

3 upvotes
em_dee_aitch
By em_dee_aitch (Oct 4, 2012)

P.S. - Realizing that my #2 comment may be a browser-specific CSS thing, I should mention that I'm using Safari 5.0.5 on Mac 10.6.8. I realize that is not the latest and greatest, but 10.6.8 is still best in many ways for those of us who care about work more than eye candy :-) ... In any case I suspect this would affect later versions of Safari as well.

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

let me check on number 2 - this shouldn't happen

0 upvotes
Florida Nature Photographer

There are certain users who's threads I will read even if the topic would not otherwise catch my attention.

2 upvotes
TonyCu
By TonyCu (Oct 4, 2012)

> 'the topic is more important than who posted it'
> if everyone wants the username back, we'll put it back.

In technical forums like these there are posters who consistently provide accurate and valuable information. At the other extreme there is the forum 'noise'. Also after a while you learn who is a specialist on a specific topic. For me the name of the OP is of considerable relevance, so yes please put it back.

0 upvotes
panos_m
By panos_m (Oct 4, 2012)

I like it. It was a needed upgrade.

A suggestion: In the thread page when in threaded view reduce the spacing between replies' lines as of the single forum page at View mode: Collapsed.

Thanks!

0 upvotes
Skip M
By Skip M (Oct 4, 2012)

I hate the new system, it will probably keep me off of these forums. Which, in itself, is not a bad thing, I can use the time I used to be here and shouldn't have been to better ends, like growing my business.
One can't tell, easily, which entries have been read, which ones have new posts, the layout is slightly counter intuitive. I can't see anything to recommend the change.

7 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

we are working on fixes for your specific points right now.

1 upvote
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Oct 4, 2012)

"I can use the time I used to be here and shouldn't have been to better ends"

Bingo. I've been spending way too much time here. I only get to the bathroom once a week.

4 upvotes
Hank3152
By Hank3152 (Oct 4, 2012)

Why fix something that wasn't broke....? I prefer the old system since it was much easier to navigate. Can we even edit anymore?

4 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

it was easier to navigate because it was familiar, and this isn't (you will adapt). You have more editing flexibility than you did before the change.

1 upvote
ian herridge
By ian herridge (Oct 4, 2012)

it was easier to navigate because it was familiar, and this isn't (you will adapt). Very 1984

0 upvotes
lbuclk=
By lbuclk= (Oct 4, 2012)

Luv it.....luv it!!!

0 upvotes
jpr2
By jpr2 (Oct 4, 2012)

the feature that I miss the most from the old way of presenting is the dimming of already visited entries:
- the little bullet on the left which (sometimes as this doesn't work in a consistent way) gets greyed out is MUCH LESS visible;
- there were already suggestions voiced to give the user some leeway to do their customization which I do sencond very much;

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

you'll have a more obvious indication of visited entries tomorrow.

1 upvote
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (Oct 4, 2012)

My read entries dim. Lets give it time.

1 upvote
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (Oct 4, 2012)

Maybe its there but I can't see it but you have to scroll backup up the page to navigate back to the forum , home etc. Maybe put it at the bottom as well. The thread view shows the short cut keys but no click able return to forum.

OK its suddenly there Now :)

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

just fixed

1 upvote
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (Oct 4, 2012)

Thanks Simon. It will take getting used to but I can see the possibilities. Its like getting a new phone which you think is rubbish for the first few months and the complain about the next new phone bemoaning the old one.

1 upvote
mas54
By mas54 (Oct 4, 2012)

As I see it, the screen is stuck on September 21, and the forum is unusable.

0 upvotes
Lng0004
By Lng0004 (Oct 4, 2012)

Hate the new upgrade. Images look horrible...

3 upvotes
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

I like "Forum Pro" as a designation somewhat better than "Forum Addict", but I suspect that "Forum Junkie" would probably be more accurate than either ... ;) :) :D.

br, john

0 upvotes
shutterbugbytes
By shutterbugbytes (Oct 4, 2012)

This upgrade is terrible and it includes no redeeming features!!! The tail is wagging the dog. Can we opt to have the old format back? Can we have a vote, people???!!!!

6 upvotes
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

I have found the problem with the Poster's Profile and Forum Bookmarks links.

This is the correct link, e.g.:
http://www.dpreview.com/members/{member number}/forums/bookmarks

This is the link from the PP and Forums pages:
http://www.dpreview.com/members/{member number}/bookmarks

The intermediate link "/forums" is missing from the URL (actually, URI, unless I'm mistaken ... ).

One's bookmarks are available via one's Poster's Profile/Forums/ ... Showing: SELECT "Bookmarks".

br, john

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Tapek
By Tapek (Oct 4, 2012)

Yes, this fixes the dead link under my user profile menu - but my bookmark data still has not been imported to the new system....quite possibly due to forum name change?

it also appears that searching the forums comes up with a blank page? *shrug*

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

bookmarks link is now fixed

0 upvotes
dad_of_four
By dad_of_four (Oct 4, 2012)

Where is the "Defend my honor button"?

i.e. Recent Activity

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dad_of_four
By dad_of_four (Oct 4, 2012)

never mind, found it after hunting around
http://forums.dpreview.com/members/{user #}/forums/threads

0 upvotes
lylejk
By lylejk (Oct 4, 2012)

Url links no longer work (well not when posting here anyway), you broke my image preview for my sig, when I insert images in my posts, the image pops above my prose and I have to drag the image to below my text. I can go on, but, for starters, that shoud suffice. :)

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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lylejk
By lylejk (Oct 4, 2012)

Now I have to retract; the links option in the edit menu won't commit (in otherwords, it just stays gray when I say OK; so this is an obvious bug). :)

0 upvotes
MightyMike
By MightyMike (Oct 4, 2012)

here are my complaints

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50002298

2 upvotes
lylejk
By lylejk (Oct 4, 2012)

As I said, url links lo longer (well not here anyway) work, but trust me, I simphathize. lol

:)

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

url links have never worked in comments. they should work in forums (and will soon if they don't)

0 upvotes
tarnumf
By tarnumf (Oct 4, 2012)

Fire that designer and hire one with healthy eyes, so he or she won't use 100% contrast on text/background.

Old forum had better space vs. information ratio.

On my 30 inch display, the whole DPR site looks miserably squeezed into 1/3 of screen width.

And have I mentioned that 100% contrast is not easy on eyes? Ewww!

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

you know we didn't change the width yes?

0 upvotes
tarnumf
By tarnumf (Oct 4, 2012)

I know, but I was hoping it will change at least for forums..

Comment edited 40 seconds after posting
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MatijaK
By MatijaK (Oct 4, 2012)

tamumf, try your browser set at something like 1200 pixels wide for a week and see how it goes. The whole point of having big monitors is that you can keep more windows open and visible at the same time.

0 upvotes
ryanshoots
By ryanshoots (Oct 4, 2012)

"Old forum had better space vs. information ratio. " Couldn't agree more. The web 2.0 b.s. of design insists on less information density. What could fit on one web page should now take 4. Hey, it gets ad views up.

4 upvotes
Pat
By Pat (Oct 4, 2012)

I couldn't agree more about the contrast. It's too much and hurts my eyes. Please back off on the black somewhat, making it a very dark gray instead.

And the type size of the titles for forum posts is too large. If I decrease overall font size in Firefox to compensate, then all the other site elements on dpreview are too small. With the larger font size, it also means that you can less easily skim through a forum's posts as they are now so spread out. Hopefully they will reduce the font size so it's closer to the way it used to be.

2 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Oct 4, 2012)

There needs to be a "threaded" mode that shows all posts at the same time, the way other sites (vbulletin ones?) do it by "indenting" it.

Sort of like this (if the formatting holds up):

Post 1
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Post 2
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Post 3 is a REPLY to Post 2
``````xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
``````xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Or, also, have a post partially quote the post it's replying to. I suppose that would need to be the user's responsibility to have a "snipped" reply as such.

1 upvote
Joe Marques
By Joe Marques (Oct 4, 2012)

It's just too narrow. I'm on a 24-inch monitor which is about 20-inches wide - 14 is wasted and about 6-inches is used for posts with tiny text. I know the old DPR was narrow too but this just feels much worse.

I like many of the features, but this one issue is a real challenge.

3 upvotes
sneakerpimp
By sneakerpimp (Oct 4, 2012)

excellent work guys, a refreshing change... the color scheme and compactness make it so much easier to read now.

0 upvotes
eadrian75
By eadrian75 (Oct 4, 2012)

Color scheme is so difficult on the eyes. No self respecting web designer would choose white text on black. If a dark layout is desired, the best result is usually a background that isn’t pure black and text that isn’t pure white. Would also help to increase the leading, or in web terms - line height.

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17 upvotes
sean lancaster
By sean lancaster (Oct 4, 2012)

When viewing in Flat Mode, I wish the space between posts wasn't so great. That's the only big thing I'd like to see tweaked at this point.

7 upvotes
nawknai
By nawknai (Oct 4, 2012)

Question for everyone: How do you make "Flat View" the default view? It seems to automatically load a thread in "thread view", even if I had previously changed another thread to "Flat view". I don't want to change every thread I enter to "Flat View" because it'd be quite annoying.

Also, I'd really like it if the "Subscribe to thread" checkbox wasn't automatically ticked every time you replied.

Comment edited 25 seconds after posting
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JackM
By JackM (Oct 4, 2012)

Umm, I just checked a post of mine where I embedded several images hosted at my site. Exif data is most certainly intact in the files (confirmed with FxIF), yet your forum says there is none.

1 upvote
Lightshow
By Lightshow (Oct 4, 2012)

How do I get "flat view" to stay my default view?
Edit:
I just had to reload the forum index page.

Comment edited 10 minutes after posting
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WIMorrison
By WIMorrison (Oct 4, 2012)

I like the layout, can it also be made iPad friendly like the old site by including hyperlinks on the screen for keyboard shortcuts? I don't have a keyboard to press F to return to the forum and this is very annoying at the bottom of a long series of posts as I have to scroll all the way back to the top :(

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

this particular fix is coming tomorrow

1 upvote
WIMorrison
By WIMorrison (Oct 4, 2012)

Thanks - will it also stop my screen getting covered with previews of posts that I have opened?

0 upvotes
JackM
By JackM (Oct 4, 2012)

I commend you for not being yet another VBulletin or phpBB site. However I liked the "new" tags and how my own posts were highlighted.

0 upvotes
Lightshow
By Lightshow (Oct 4, 2012)

Give me some view options/customizations please!!!!

The notification box seems to be pre-checked when I reply to a thread, I don't want a million emails telling me someone posted to the same thread, and I don't see a setting to change that in settings like it says.

Thankyou for letting me edit a post more than once. (it was so annoying) but more than 2 times would be nice.

I can't delete a post if it's been edited 2 times= FAIL

And what are the formatting options?
eg.
>is no longer a quote,
how about[quote]does this work?[/quote] nope. :(
phpbb or vbulletin formatting would be preferred.

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5 upvotes
PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Oct 4, 2012)

I don't know if I like that in the view of all the threads, each thread title now takes up so much space, but maybe I'll get used to it.

For years I've been waiting for "Canon Talk" to be renamed "Canon Compact Talk" so people don't keep posting about dslr's there (genuinely by accident). Instead it's now named "Canon Powershot Talk"...aaaaagh...why? Why can't they name the forums the same name as people use? "compact", "dslr". Not the more eostoric Canon marking names - EOS and powershot. Now with the EOS-M, people will wonder why there's an EOS-M 7d forum...

I like how each post is now more clearly visibly separated, within a thread.

My biggest wish is for a page that lists out all the threads that have responses that I have either replied to or have marked (or bookmarked). I thought it would be awesome to have email notification - but in reality it's just to much work to sort through all those emails when I get 1 email per response, and now I don't even read them. :-(

1 upvote
brudy
By brudy (Oct 4, 2012)

From a pure layout perspective, the main forum page for each category is just too cluttered. It's tough to see the topic. The old layout was much more readable.

6 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Oct 4, 2012)

In collapsed view, the column for the name of the OP is gone and I suppose that had to go to make room for the voting column, a feature of social networks geared towards children and morons. I don't care for the layout of the collapsed view.

10 upvotes
JackM
By JackM (Oct 4, 2012)

damn you're old.

0 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Oct 4, 2012)

Agree with Rick. Collapsed view would have contained more valuable information if it had name of the OP rather than facebook features.

5 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Oct 4, 2012)

"damn you're old."

Are You talking to me?

0 upvotes
Richard
By Richard (Oct 4, 2012)

A change purely for change sake, and lumping the 6D in with the 1D forum, not good.

Richard

2 upvotes
Clark666
By Clark666 (Oct 4, 2012)

How do I search to avoid a duplicate post? The new arrangement omits the Canon EOS M but I don't know whether someone else already noted that omission?????

0 upvotes
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

On the main forum page, the Top Posters list shows the top posters for all of DPR, rather than the top posters for the specific forum.

br, john

1 upvote
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

Under the Poster's Profile, the link to Message Bookmarks doesn't work.

Neither does the Bookmarks shortcut ("B" or "b" key) on the main forum page.

br, john

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
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PhilPreston3072
By PhilPreston3072 (Oct 4, 2012)

What happened to the User-Created Articles in each Camera forum?
I haven't thoroughly read all the comments so my apologies if this question has already been answered.

0 upvotes
PhilPreston3072
By PhilPreston3072 (Oct 4, 2012)

Actually, I just saw in the News item that it is going to be added at a later stage. Cool!

0 upvotes
davidgp
By davidgp (Oct 4, 2012)

Why do the links in the "last post" column of the forum page bring you to the first post of the thread!?!?! The main link in the first columnalready does that. The links in the last post column should take you to... wait for it... the last post.

Is there any chance this could be changed?

Comment edited 31 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
hellocrowley
By hellocrowley (Oct 4, 2012)

The high contrast white text and black bg (and black text on white bg) is very tiring on the eyes. Please try to reduce the contrast.

3 upvotes
ck3
By ck3 (Oct 4, 2012)

Why does clicking on the number in the "last post" column not link to the last post?

2 upvotes
Bruce sawle
By Bruce sawle (Oct 4, 2012)

This forum is unusable when using an iPhone or iPad. The pop up boxes will not go away.

0 upvotes
Tapek
By Tapek (Oct 4, 2012)

Did i lose all my bookmarks or is that error temporary while the changeover happens?

1 upvote
Tapek
By Tapek (Oct 4, 2012)

Just tested it out by bookmarking a random thread, now it appears in the list - so the 10 or so pages I litererally just bookmarked last night before i went to sleep after going through about 50 threads to find what I needed, then wake up and it's all gone? FML

1 upvote
dfrat
By dfrat (Oct 4, 2012)

Hate it! The color of the words in the forums is killing my eyes!

10 upvotes
ck3
By ck3 (Oct 4, 2012)

Since dpreview usually lauds customization in cameras - wouldn't it be possible to give us forum users some custom buttons as well (to be placed next to the (very prominent but seldom used) new thread/new question buttons for example)?
I guess most of us have certain forums we visit more often or want certain filtering options but are not interested in others. So instead of each time working our way through fold-out menues (or creating browser bookmarks), why not give us some quick link buttons we can edit in our preferences?

1 upvote
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

In FORUM view, clicking on the time of the last post used to take one to the last post, whether in flat or threaded view.
Now it takes you wherever it thinks is a good thing, with no relationship whatsoever to the last post. Same goes for clicking on the link to my previous comment on this page from my profile page: it takes me to the top of this page, not to my comment.

You must have the squirrels on steroids - the forums are far faster ... :D.

Have to 2nd the sizing issue expressed below. On my 24" monitor using IE8, the profile forum page is now bleeding over the RHS border into the ads. It was not doing this earlier this morning.

The default double spacing is a PITA. Glad to see that there is a workaround (SHIFT+ENTER). At least that is a standard LF character, BUT ENTER is the standard everywhere else for a single spaced CR+LF (other forums and local programs, text editors, WP, etc) .

br, and keep up the good work. I can see it being far better than the old programming.
john

1 upvote
aja2
By aja2 (Oct 4, 2012)

One more thing... anyway to disable the 'post preview'? So annoying...

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Oct 4, 2012)

we'll take a poll in a few days - if enough people hate it we'll kill it (I thought it would be helpful)

2 upvotes
Nich0las
By Nich0las (Oct 4, 2012)

I really like the post preview and find it helpful whether deciding to open up the post fully.

6 upvotes
profus
By profus (Oct 4, 2012)

it is annoying on the ipad...:-(

0 upvotes
tommy leong
By tommy leong (Oct 4, 2012)

the first thing i LOOOOOVE about the new format
is the high contrast in text and background.

its just much easier on the eye :)

0 upvotes
dherzstein
By dherzstein (Oct 4, 2012)

On the my "Recent activity" page, I'd like to see the forum name for each thread and a link to that forum. I typically enter DPR via a link to "../forums/recent" to check back on certain threads and I would like to be able to launch into those forums.

2 upvotes
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Oct 4, 2012)

Is there some way to take some text and make it show as quoted text as you could before with > or > > etc.? If I break into a quoted paragraph, the text after the break loses the quotation lines and I can't figure a way to put them back.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
8 upvotes
John King
By John King (Oct 4, 2012)

Yeah LJ

A very important feature.

On vBulletin boards, one can use [/QUOTE] .... [QUOTE] to break into the middle of a quoted post.

br, john

1 upvote
caspianm
By caspianm (Oct 4, 2012)

Why it dosn't keep the previously view threads history( by highlighting them). Never seen any forum without this feature.

1 upvote
onlooker
By onlooker (Oct 4, 2012)

What do you say, can you do it?
the point is not to read, but to post and forget.
understand why anyone would want to read bottom up, unless
option to stay sticky in the comments section. I can't
Oh, and I really wish you guys had allowed the "old first"

2 upvotes
il_alexk
By il_alexk (Oct 4, 2012)

Why? Not saying the old one was good, but this layout really sucks!!!

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Nightwings
By Nightwings (Oct 4, 2012)

One MAJOR issue I picked up on. When you choose a forum and look at the headers.. the headers frame bleeds into the right side of the screen where your advertisement frames are. Lots of the right side of the thread titles gets intermingled with the content in your advertisements side. If that makes sense ... I'll PM you screen shots if you wish. I'm using IE 8 and Firefox ... both do it.

Also allowing voting down is a BAD Idea ... There are far too many got-nothing-better-to-do bullies in these forums that will pile on certain people for any number of frivolous reasons.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
1 upvote
PAUL TILL
By PAUL TILL (Oct 4, 2012)

It's fine here, what are you using a 15" monitor?

0 upvotes
Nightwings
By Nightwings (Oct 4, 2012)

19 inch .... monitor size / aspect should not matter when the programming code is properly done.

0 upvotes
Ron_43
By Ron_43 (Oct 4, 2012)

The new layout is lousy!

7 upvotes
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