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Panasonic FL360L wireless flash for use with GH3 - more details

By dpreview staff on Oct 26, 2012 at 19:41 GMT

DCWatch has provided more details of Panasonic's DMW-FL360L - the company's first wirelessly controllable flashgun. The feature is designed to work with the company's recently-announced range-topping DMC-GH3. The bounceable flash has a guide number of 36 (m at ISO 100) and includes a flip-down wide-angle converter to provide coverage for an 8mm (16mm equivalent) lens' field of view. It also features an LED continuous lamp for video work. US pricing isn't available but is expected to cost around £250 in the UK and ¥30,000 ($376) in Japan.

The FL360L takes four AA batteries. The head can be rotated by 360° horizontally or back by 97°. Without the wide-angle panel, the flash covers a 12-42mm range (24-85mm equivalent).

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Total comments: 41
bfloating
By bfloating (8 months ago)

I own an OMD EM-5. I was looking to buy an fl-600r when I ran across this Pana fl-360L flash. Is is better or worse than the fl-600r ( power and feature and cost wise ) ? Is it TOTALLY compatible and 100% functional with my camera ? Which would be the preferred way for me to go ?

I'd love to get some first hand responses from owners of this flash who own the same camera I have and have used that combo for a month or longer.

THANKS,

Richard

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Sergio Rojkes
By Sergio Rojkes (Mar 14, 2013)

Got it, up to four wireless units, great!

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Ontario Gone
By Ontario Gone (2 weeks ago)

When you say four wireless units, what do you mean? Do you mean TTL wireless? And if so, do they have to be specific flash units with wireless TTL or can they be cheaper flashes with simple slave function?
I for example have a Nissin Di466 but it's not WL TTL compatible. Would this 360L fire my Nissin with TTL or should i just buy multiple 360L units? FYI im shooting a GX7.
EDIT: After a second read im wondering, are you triggering multiple 360L units with the in camera flash? Im new to WL TTL and need to learn the basic system.

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Sergio Rojkes
By Sergio Rojkes (Mar 14, 2013)

Now it would be nice to hypersync HSS, or at least go up to 500s...
160s its no enough...
Will GH3 control more than one unit independently as canon?
Thanks

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RoyGBiv
By RoyGBiv (Oct 29, 2012)

I was kinda hoping *someone* in the m4/3 world would roll w/ a radio-based trigger, not optical

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SaltLakeGuy
By SaltLakeGuy (Oct 29, 2012)

Looks just like the Oly FL-600R no biggie.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Oct 28, 2012)

I wonder if Panasonic's wireless protocol is compatible with Olympus and Metz wireless flashes.

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G Sciorio
By G Sciorio (Oct 29, 2012)

Yes its 100% compatible with Olympus Micro 4/3 cameras. Panasonic makes the Olympus FL600r. I was on a Google + hangout with Panasonic and Manfrotto a few weeks ago where we talk about this in depth. Search Youtube for it.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Oct 27, 2012)

Couldn't Panasonic m4/3 users simply use a FL-600R on their camera? Wouldn't work?

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yslee1
By yslee1 (Oct 28, 2012)

I'm curious to know too. Olympus flashes are easier to find, and here they are cheaper as well.

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G Sciorio
By G Sciorio (Oct 29, 2012)

100% yes

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Lawrence Becker
By Lawrence Becker (Oct 30, 2012)

I needed a flash for my new Panasonic G5 and had read about the upcoming Panasonic FL360L but it wouldn't be released in time - so I bought the Olympus FL600r. Everything works perfectly - although my G5 doesn't have wireless flash capabilities built into it so that part isn't implemented. I am thinking I'll end up with a GH3 as well next year, so I'll be set. I didn't want to buy one of the older Panasonic flashes - it was obvious that this new Panasonic/Olympus flash is the direction they are going and I thought it would work well. It does, and with 4 batteries, the recharge time is pretty good.

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morton_goldberg
By morton_goldberg (Oct 30, 2012)

I'm using an Olympus FL-600R with my GH2. Works great. As far as I can tell the FL-600R is exactly the same as the FL360L except for branding logo. Anybody know of any functional difference?

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Higuel
By Higuel (Oct 27, 2012)

Anything that makes M4/3 more complete and attractive is a very good thing! Competition is the way to go: Maybe when canon mirrorless system will look like the crap it is they will finally make some lens for it and price it cheaper then a dslr!
Otherwise one day i will definitely change to M4/3!!!

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gl2k
By gl2k (Oct 27, 2012)

Nice that Panny gives customers a feature that Canikon users already enjoy for many years now. LOL.

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CAClark
By CAClark (Oct 27, 2012)

Well done, you should feel proud of yourself.

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (Oct 27, 2012)

And Canon already went with radio control. Panny will offer this, and a powerful rugged weatherproofed flash, in 5 years. Luckily.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 27, 2012)

Canon does offer mirrorless weatherproofed camera with incredible video capability? Full-HD per-pixel sharp video?

And very good image quality for stills, which in same time is incredibly fast (thanks to video processors needed for video:D).

Yea.. I dont think so, cause only thing Canon has is EOS-M with 3 years old sensor. And frankly that thing is laughable..

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HDF2
By HDF2 (Oct 27, 2012)

Considering that Canikon has been offering dslr's for something like 15 years and slr's for several decades, it's not surprising they have this.

m4/3 has been in existence only since 2008. So from a standing start, less than six years later you have a plethora of lenses, camera bodies and two manufacturers whose products are interchangeable - and you whine about the fact that they only took a few years to virtually catch up with two manufacturers who have been producing their stuff for decades longer?

Really, is that what you are whining about?

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Oct 27, 2012)

It took Canon a VERY long time to get where it is and we all listened to years of whining along the way. (Still do)

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RawDogg
By RawDogg (Oct 27, 2012)

To Mescalamba:
Why do you think the EOS-M is laughable. Just want to know what's on your mind. I was thinking about purchasing it. It has the same sensor as the 4Ti which got a good review.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 27, 2012)

Depends on what you want to shoot with it. If its base ISO landscape, then maybe..

1) old sensor - its from 7D, which if Im counting right is 3 years old camera that even when new didnt have exactly great image quality (still doesnt even when Canon fanboys would wish for that..)

2) no EVF - ever

3) 2 lens

4) slow AF, no focus peaking for easier use of alternative lens (which considering EOS-M has only 2 lens is serious problem)

5) overpriced

Old sensor wouldnt be problem if it was good. It isnt and never was. Poor DR, poor SNR. Compared to NEX its just a joke.

EVF might be problem for some, not for others. I like having at least option to buy one.

Two lens isnt much. Adapter wont help much as Canon lens are made for dSLR - ergo different focusing system = wont work much on mirrorless (even tho EOS-M does have hybrid AF).

Slow AF with combination of having only 2 lens wouldnt be problem, if there was easy solution in using adapters and different lens via manual focus.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 27, 2012)

Which there isnt cause it doesnt have focus peaking. Which it easily could, Magic Lantern firmware allows that for various Canon dSLRs. So Im sure Canon could easily do that. But they didnt.

Result of all this combined is small, near useless camera. Which isnt even available yet, so I wonder how you want to buy it. :D

Now lets look at closest competition, price wise...

That would be NEX-5R

1) best APS-C sensor yet, cleaner at ISO 200 than 60D/650D at ISO 100 and +2eV better DR

2) EVF optional, if you wish for it

3) quite a bit of native lens, including one Zeiss and cheap+ 2 great Sigma E lens .. which isnt that important cause..

4) its has focus peaking + magnification + it can use SLT adapter and essentialy turn NEX into dSLT camera (fast AF with dSLR lens from Sony .. and Minolta ones too) otherwise AF is snappy with native lens for E-mount

5) reasonably priced for what you get

No, Sony isnt best mirrorless system. Its just good enough. And better than EOS-M even like this.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 27, 2012)

I could go on and on.. but that doesnt matter. Point is EOS-M isnt even available and its old/outdated when its "new". Too little, too late are right words for it. It has nothing better than competition, actually most of it is worse than competition, price included.

So unless you are mom, which wants to shoot slow moving kids or flowers with those two lens and heard that "Canon" is good brand, then I would suggest to look into alternatives. Theres whole world full of them and most of them is pretty good (including Samsung NX and maybe even that small not so great Nikon1 .. which at least has pretty fast AF).

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limorenko
By limorenko (Oct 27, 2012)

Funny. Have you seen Canon mirrorless camera? There is no built-in flash at all

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RawDogg
By RawDogg (Oct 28, 2012)

OK...I see your point. Well I sold my 5D mark II because I wanted to do a major downsizing in equipment. I know the image quality was not going to be like the 5D, but I wanted a good camera. I've been happy with all my other Canon cameras purchases the past (all dslr's).

I'm getting out of the photography business, (too time consuming with a full time job and an 8 year old who wants to play all the time) but I wanted a camera that took great pics of my son. He does Track and Field, Trampoline, Gymnastics, Mountain Biking, Kayaking, etc...just an active guy. I wanted to go the mirrorless route. I really thought this would be a good choice since it is basically and compact T4i. (as canon is basically stating) I think I better do some homework on this one. Don't want to make a bad choice and it looks like I almost did just that.

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RawDogg
By RawDogg (Oct 28, 2012)

To limorenko: I didn't mind that it has no built in flash. I kind of like that. I was use to it from the 5D cameras I've owned.

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Derek Bach
By Derek Bach (Oct 27, 2012)

If you investigate you will find that Panasonic manufactures Olympus flash units.

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Joel Halbert
By Joel Halbert (Oct 27, 2012)

Yes, and most of Nikon, Canon and others. It is interesting that Panasonic has been slow to introduce top-level features into their own-brand flashes, but that (and the high pricing) has been going on for some time. It may have to do with supplier agreements, and/or protection of their contract design & manufacturing business. If they start to lead the market with own-brand features, the return (some increased sales of Lumix flashes) would be modest compared to the risk of having Canon & Nikon taking their business elsewhere.

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RaZZ3R Death
By RaZZ3R Death (Oct 26, 2012)

Just another rebaged Olympus product, should have gone wider then 8mm (since Panasonic has the widest m43 lens at 7mm) and a more powerfull guide number since the GH3 is supposed professional tool ... right ?!?

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micksh6
By micksh6 (Oct 27, 2012)

Panasonic users should be glad they finally get wireless TTL flash in any form. Olympus has patents on wireless flash technology, Panasonic doesn't.

The pro camera maker will probably pay Olympus license fees from every GH3 sold. Maybe that's why GH3 is so expensive.

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RaZZ3R Death
By RaZZ3R Death (Oct 28, 2012)

I know it's still the new kit on the block (compared to SLR) but really, if Olympus will get rid of Four Thirds in time (witch I'm sure they will) then they should start giving more professional quality lenses and accessories. Panasonic did good since they started to offer better and faster zoom and Olympus went with prime lenses so should Panasonic introduce items that lack in the Micro Four Thirds environment if they want to get a upper hand and more money.

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (Oct 26, 2012)

The only question I have is does it use the Olympus wireless TTL protocol, I hope so... What would mean the all the Olympus R's will work with the Gh3...

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micksh6
By micksh6 (Oct 26, 2012)

Since this is basically FL600R what choice did they have other than adapting Olympus protocol?

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (Oct 27, 2012)

They've been using the Olympus flash technology for quite a while. The other recent past Panasonic flash units are also rebadged Olympus FL50 and FL36 units. All Panasonic did was use their name and added an extra -0- to the model numbers, the FL500 and FL360 units. I used my Olympus FL50 flash with a Panasonic FZ50 digicam back in 2007-2008 with a TTL hot shoe and had full TTL use.

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (Oct 26, 2012)

Looks, based on the name and guide number, more like a re-badged Olympus FL36R with the FL600R-type assist lights.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (Oct 26, 2012)

What?! Next you're going to say that their cameras share components!

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WT21
By WT21 (Oct 26, 2012)

FL-=36R is a 2 battery flash. This is 4 batts, so it's a rebranded FL-600R

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Oct 27, 2012)

There is a good chance that both Panasonic AND Olympus buy their flashes from a third party.

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OniMirage
By OniMirage (Oct 26, 2012)

Rebranded fl600r with slightly different continuous lamp face?

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G Sciorio
By G Sciorio (Oct 29, 2012)

That is correct which is good because the FL600r are great units. Been using them on jobs for a while.

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