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Samsung NX 12-24mm to cost $600, 45mm F1.8 around $300

By dpreview staff on Oct 25, 2012 at 17:30 GMT

Samsung has announced US pricing for the 12-24mm F4-5.6 ED wide-angle zoom and 45mm F1.8 mid-telephoto prime for its NX system. The lenses - announced at Photokina - will cost around $600 for the wide-angle zoom and $300 for the 45mm F1.8. Oddly we're told there are no samples of the 45mm F1.8 at the show where they're being 'unveiled', so we can't know if it's any closer to the promised 'ultra-professional look and feel' than the inexpensive-feeling early examples we saw at Photokina.


Press Release:

Samsung’s Grows NX System; Unveils Two Lightweight NX Lenses at PhotoPlus International Conference + Expo

New ultra-wide zoom and mid-telephoto prime lenses capture professional-quality images and join the growing NX Family of Compact System Cameras, Lenses and Accessories

New York, NY, October 25, 2012 – Samsung Electronics America Inc., a market leader and award-winning innovator in consumer electronics, today introduces two new lenses that join Samsung’s NX system of compact system cameras.  Samsung’s new 12-24mm F4-5.6 ED ultra-wide zoom lens (MSP of $599.99) and the 45mm F1.8 mid-telephoto prime lens (MSP of $299.99) are on display at the PDN PhotoPlus International Conference + Expo at the Javits Convention Center in New York City.

The new NX lenses offer the perfect balance of portability and smooth ease-of-use, giving photographers an easy way to explore their photographic creativity, while keeping their system equipment light. Also at the PhotoPlus Expo, Samsung will exhibit its full line of Digital Imaging products, including SMART cameras and camcorders with built-in Wi-Fi, compact point-and-shoots, and new durable and stylish memory cards.

“Earlier this year, Samsung introduced the world’s first compact system cameras with built-in Wi-Fi, and with the addition of the lightweight ultra-wide zoom lens and mid-telephoto prime lens – Samsung continues its leadership in imaging innovation,” said Reid Sullivan, Senior Vice President of Mobile Entertainment. “With a diverse portfolio of 11 lenses, the Samsung NX system offers a solution for virtually any photographer from beginner to the most seasoned professional.”

Samsung NX Lens 12-24mm F4-5.6 ED: Thanks to its ultra-wide angle, this lens can capture dramatic landscapes and easily take shots in confined interior spaces. At 7.3oz, it also remains compact – perfect for those traveling. The image quality is heightened by one extra low dispersion glass lens and two aspherical glass lenses that produce superb sharpness and low chromatic aberration.

Samsung NX Lens 45mm F1.8: The 4oz mid-telephoto prime lens delivers an impressive depth of field with background blur, creating stunning portrait images, complete with beautiful bokeh. The bright F1.8 aperture allows for fast shooting and performs equally well in bright and low-light environments. With a fast and quiet Auto Focus, and a solid metal body and metal mount, this lightweight lens offers ultra-professional performance, design and feel.

Both lenses include Samsung’s i-Function, an intuitive control system which allows users to easily adjust shutter speed, aperture and ISO settings. The new lenses are compatible with Samsung’s complete line-up of NX Series cameras, including the 2012 line of NX SMART Cameras: the NX1000, NX210 and NX20. For more information on Samsung’s NX Series, visit www.samsung.com.

Comments

Total comments: 119
Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Oct 31, 2012)

Unfortunate grammar error in the title of the press release ... "Samsung's Grows"?

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lowra markee
By lowra markee (Oct 31, 2012)

samsung good for camera compact

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Oct 28, 2012)

It's a little too late for me: I've already purchased an old Minolta 50mm f1.4 and a 50mm 1:1 Macro, with adapter, for my NX1000. No way I'd trade down for a f1.8 made of ultra-professional plastic - sorry guys.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Oct 29, 2012)

Even if the f1,8/45mm lens has plastic components, it might deliver high image quality. And that's crucial. So, let's wait and see!
As to your Minolta lenses: What about focusing at the NX1000? Are there any problems with them? I'm considering to buy me an NX and would like to use Zeiss lenses.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Oct 28, 2012)

I am a Leica owner, Nikon owner Fuji owner, Sony owner, and I had a Samsung NX10 around 2-3 years ago when it came out first.
Samsung's cameras are like said before, the best kept secret in camera industry.
Their little cameras are just a joy to use. Ergonomics are just wonderful and far beyond Sony Nex, Fuji's camera I own too (NEX5 and Fuji X100).
Their lenses are no slouch either and they have some of the best pancakes primes on the market ie their amazingly small and sharp 30mm F2.
Their lenses roadmap is the most photographer friendly on the market too and they are to me the only brand who really succeed to have a real "camera and lens system".

Their sensor was criticized earlier because it was not matching highest performance in terms of noise. Their new cameras have a news sensor which is fairly as good as last Sony's NEX. Samsung just lacks better brand image.

If you go for Sony...you get less for more money in my opinion

Samsung is my second preferred brand after Leica

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smileblog
By smileblog (Nov 1, 2012)

Majority of Japanese guys are so optimistic about their brand and product so far, as we know.
But you might be right. Honestly I'm feeling same things as what I felt decade ago in TVs market.

One of my friends use the system and I've borrowed it for a day. It's different, but I couldn't see any drawback with the camera than my m4/3 system.

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SunnyFlorida
By SunnyFlorida (Oct 28, 2012)

I like samsung lenses but $300 for a 45mm F/1.8 crop factor lens? Nikon and Canon sell their 50mm f/1.8 for $200 and they cover full frame and crop sensor formats.

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viking79
By viking79 (Nov 13, 2012)

You have to realize most lenses longer than 40mm or so will probably cover full frame as easily as APS-C. Wider lenses and maybe zooms benefit more from small image circle than long focal length primes.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Oct 27, 2012)

Dripping with sarcasm. This is journalism? DPR's intense dislike for Samsung NX products trumps actual reporting yet again.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (Oct 28, 2012)

I dunno. Unveiling a product without letting anyone actually look at it is a bit odd. Expecting no one to mention that fact is a bit naive. Maybe Samsung are just noobs and the marketing end of things. I wouldn't necessarily accuse DPR of bias, I think they're just callin' em like they see 'em from the journalist's perspective. Of course as a reader and a consumer who won't be at the show and doesn't care how effective or green Samsung's marketing is, I do personally regard the comments RE samples as highly irrelevant whining. If there is editorial criticism to be made here is that they didn't have their audience (the average consumer) in mind with these off-the-cuff remarks. I'd be much more interested to know about how DPR views the significance of these announcements within the context of the larger mirrorless market and where Samsung fits into it. But no, we get complaining about how they are marketing the products. Who cares about that? Is this a marketing site or camera site?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Oct 28, 2012)

I agree with the reporting thing... but you can't entirely blame them... when you read stuff like "ultra professional look and feel"... does that mean plain "professional" grade is a downright lie? And is there also going to be an "ultra-mega-super-hyper professional look and feel" model after that? It's an insult to everyone's intelligence. It gives the impression of a company trying to scam. Yet, the cameras are nice. the lense lineup is reasonable. I don't get it why they mess everything up with overuse of plastics - I don't get the impression they are built to last. Just when I thought I was getting so much more for my money, I come to suspect that I'm left holding a disposable camera and lens.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (Oct 27, 2012)

Samsung has done the opposite of what I would have expected. The lens lineup is fantastic, the best dedicated mirrorless lineup out there in my opinion when you factor in:
completeness (now with the 12-24 zoom)
max aperature
compact size
image quality
and price.
What surprises me is that the Achilles heel of their system is not the optics, but the electronics! Those big raw files and buffer rates are keeping me away from the NX210. I also miss in-body image stabilization and think they should include it in their larger NXxx bodies. Otherwise, I'm completely sold on this system as the true answer to a pocketable mirorrless option with all the lenses I would want in such a system. For now I've got an NX100 which is just fine. I'm really looking forward to the next generation of compact bodies, however, which I hope will provide better performance for RAW image processing.

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JWest
By JWest (Oct 29, 2012)

Sounds like we're in exactly the same place. I love my NX100, which I grabbed as a bargain just over a year ago. I think the Samsung lens range is fantastic. I'd love to upgrade to something like the NX210, but Samsung's odd design decisions are keeping me away - lack of a remote shutter trigger, large raw files, and the buffer locking issue.

Come on Samsung - your mirrorless range is very nearly the best in the world, you just need to fix up a few of the details!

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Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (Nov 1, 2012)

We have a shutter trigger available and you can remotely fire the camera using your smartphone...

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JWest
By JWest (Nov 2, 2012)

The trigger that plugs into the micro-USB? That's better than nothing certainly, but it's a shame an industry standard port for a remote shutter release couldn't have been included, like on my NX100.

The smartphone shutter release does sound interesting though!

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plasnu
By plasnu (Oct 26, 2012)

Canon and Samsung are a lot behind their competitors.

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Arn
By Arn (Oct 27, 2012)

If you meant mirrorless sales, you're right. Other than that, your wrong (except for Canon's lousy mirrorless offering)

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Ariston
By Ariston (Oct 27, 2012)

which competitors? the only competitor that has more lenses than the NX is the m4/3.

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plasnu
By plasnu (Oct 28, 2012)

OK, buy them all, then. I'm not that brave to buy a lot of lenses from a company like Samsung considering their resale value in the future.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Oct 26, 2012)

No camera sensor shift IS, no lens optical IS... means that it would either need to be a MUCH better system than cameras like the EM-5 in some other way or much cheaper.

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Arn
By Arn (Oct 26, 2012)

I see little point comparing the m43 cameras to the larger and wider aspect ratio APS-C sensor cameras. And an ultra wide lens really doesn't need image stabilization. Very few ~50mm lenses have IS, but I would have been delighted to see the 45/1.8 with IS. Samsung does have several lenses with OIS: 18-55, 18-200, 50-200 and the 60/2.8 macro.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Oct 26, 2012)

At least the zoom lens would be a better lens with OIS! This would allow you to use long shutter speed and simultaneously keep the camera setting at low ISO, where NX cameras deliver superior image quality.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Oct 27, 2012)

An EM-5 doesn't really compare IQ wise though. LOL.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Oct 27, 2012)

I think E-M5's IQ is okay
though the excessive NR is not to my taste.

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sensibill
By sensibill (Oct 27, 2012)

Several NX zooms have OIS. And the NX are indeed much cheaper than the OM-D - you can get an NX200 kit for under $500.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Nov 7, 2012)

Arn wrote "I see little point comparing the m43 cameras to the larger and wider aspect ratio APS-C sensor cameras."

YA! I totally agree. The OMD EM5 BLOWS the Samsung away! Even with less pixels and a smaller sensor!
Go ahead. Try the studio comparison tool. The NX 20 is not listed but the NX210 has the same sensor. The M43 camera beats the APS-C camera COMPLETELY!
Everyone says size matters. In general yes, but not always. So why not have a smaller camera system that has better performance? Seems like a no brainer to me. Unless you are trying to compensate for something else.

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Oct 26, 2012)

I found some pic sample from 45/1.8 and it looks really good.
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&page=1&divpage=1&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=3549

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

Nice pictures, but they are PP'ed.
Would like to see the originals.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

12-24: 58mm filter
45 1.8 43mm filter....heck...they are so hard to buy, also seems no mount for a hood...

Can lead to more contents from this page:
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=newproduct_samsung

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Oct 27, 2012)

58 and 43mm filters hard to find...? wha?

You can buy screw on hoods, but Samsung's lenses usually have very good flare control anyway so its unecessary.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Oct 27, 2012)

The colours look like the JPEG engine in portrait mode lol.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 27, 2012)

58 easy
43 hard...

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viking79
By viking79 (Nov 14, 2012)

43mm is very easy to buy filters for, and they are dirt cheap. It is a standard size on smaller lenses, range finder lenses, maybe some camcorders, etc.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Oct 26, 2012)

45/1.8 for 25% less then the Oly 45/1.8 covering significantly smaller circle. As usual, Oly lenses are overpriced, even the cheaper ones. ;)

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Oct 26, 2012)

Samsung has to price its components low because otherwise nobody will buy the system. Olympus' lenses are selling like hotcakes even at the high prices.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Oct 26, 2012)

I haven't bought a hotcake in years. Maybe I ought to revisit a good stack now and then.

C

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Oct 26, 2012)

Are you kidding? The Oly 45 is lowpriced, especially given this high image quality it delivers! And considering the Oly 75 is one of the very best tele lenses on the market, it isn't overpriced either. On the contrary, it's just because of such high quality lenses that many photographers are tempted to join the Olympus system.

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Oct 27, 2012)

Apples and oranges really.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Oct 27, 2012)

I think Oly 45/1.8 (90/3.6 equiv.) is reasonably priced. Oly 75/1.8 (150/3.6 equiv.) is a bit overpriced (by a quarter?), not funny though, it's not a big problem for some Oly users.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

On a previous lens roadmap, Samsung indicated a 55/1.8 pancake.
It turned out to be a cupcake.

The following lens are on the roadmap for the 2nd half of 2012 lol...
80-400mm f/4-5.6 OIS SSA iFn
135mm f/2 OIS SSA iFn
24mm f/1.8 ED SSA iFn

Personally I would hope they ditch the 135/2, which translates to 202.5mm

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zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 26, 2012)

Where do you see a 2012 lens road map or any roapmap with a 55/1.8 on it?

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

On the internet.

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zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 26, 2012)

The Internet? Really?

I haven't seen one since Feb 2011. The 55/1.8 was never officially announced anywhere I've seen.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

just search
Samsung nx lens roadmap

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zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 26, 2012)

I only see rumors (and various forum posts about them).

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abortabort
By abortabort (Oct 27, 2012)

Well there was this 'slide' from a Samsung internal sales presentation that was leaked that included the 55mm pancake and the other lenses you mention. However there were later rumours saying they had dropped the 55mm to a 45mm non-pancake and that is what came to fruition. Also note the timeframes for these lenses saying first half of 2012 for the '55' and '12-24' so I am guessing this roadmap has changed a fair bit since then. Newer rumours do not mention the 135mm or 24mm 'premium' lenses just six months after this, so I wouldn't be banking on those appearing any time soon. I suspect Samsung is re-assessing it's strategy for the NX system as a whole.

Link:

http://photorumors.com/2011/10/11/samsung-nx-lens-roadmap-for-2012-five-new-lenses/

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Ariston
By Ariston (Oct 27, 2012)

I have use for 135-200mm lenses.

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zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 27, 2012)

I'm familiar with that slide. I don't consider that an official roadmap.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Oct 30, 2012)

Samsung use leaks and rumours to keep up interest in the system and make it look like there are more lenses than actually exist. Their 16-80 lens for example was actually officially announced in DPR in February 2011 for delivery Dec 2011. It has never been officially cancelled and Park Cameras in the UK still have it up for sale (at £9,999 crossed out) as awaiting stock. Samsung have leaked that it has been cancelled but as far as I am aware have never officially stated this.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Oct 26, 2012)

Really good prices!
It's the first time I say it here on Dpreview!!!

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steelhead3
By steelhead3 (Oct 25, 2012)

If only Samsung made the push in imaging like they did in other products, we could have a price war (ala TV)

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nawknai
By nawknai (Oct 25, 2012)

Best lens lineup by far.

I don't get it. Are there cameras just that bad that they don't even get a mention in the EVIL/CSC race? All you hear about are m4/3, NEX, and Fuji, even here. I just bought a Fuji X-Pro 1, but if Samsung had better reviews (and I could find them at a local shop), I would have certainly taken a look at Samsung.

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random78
By random78 (Oct 25, 2012)

Their cameras are actually pretty good. I currently have a NEX-5N as well as the Samsung NX200 and have used multiple m43 bodies. I like the NX200 controls and ergonomics better than both NEX-5N as well as the m43 bodies that I had. I think Samsung is bad at creating hype and indeed marketing in general. Their cameras are just plain good imaging devices. No retro styling like Olympus, no "slim and stylish" designs like Sony, no "world's fastest AF", or the "best video implementation" etc. Plus in the first generation they were held back also by the noisy sensor. Though this generation has fixed that. My NX200 sensor is fairly close to the 5N sensor and probably better than the Canon APS-C sensors that I have used in the past.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (Oct 26, 2012)

Samsung APS-C sized sensor has worse IQ than µ4/3, that's why.

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Zdman
By Zdman (Oct 26, 2012)

Not from the NX200 on. You can take a look at the Dpreview comparisons yourself. Probably true for the NX100 when compaired against the newer 4/3.

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Oct 26, 2012)

I have NX200 and Nex5, and Nex definitely do not have better sensor, maybe half stop better in high ISO. But I like the color from the Samsung better. Samsung NX has a much better user control, but lack a flip mon and peaking for manual focus in the Nex.
But I feel Samsung line of lens IQ quality is better. And the quality and size if the NX 30mm f2 is something a Nex user will lust after.
I think Sony Nex missed the whole point of mirrorless which is offering acceptable pic quality and small size, look at their line of lenses. A 16mm pancake with so so quality. The E 50/1.8 is the biggest 50 prime from any system, my god. Only recently Nex came out with a 16-50mm compact zoom, but the pic sample I have seen so far is not very promising.
The compact zoom 20-50mm from Samsung got a
"Optically it is among the best standard zoom lenses in the mirrorless system class that we've seen so far. " from photozone
I use Nex mostly for my manual lens only. I leave the AF work for my NX200.

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gsum
By gsum (Oct 26, 2012)

The Samsung cameras and lenses are the current Best Kept Secret in Photography. I picked a new NX100 up for next to nothing recently - not much to look at and plasticy but the lens, sensor and menu system are amongst the best available. Just look at the real world samples.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Oct 26, 2012)

Unlike Oly E-M5 or Fuji X-E1, Samsung NX200 are available in our local Best Buy stores. Nikon 1s are available in Costco, at very nice packages and prices. Does it help them to be better cameras?

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Oct 27, 2012)

They just don't market this segment at all. I think they're trying to be a sleeper hit.

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taktak91
By taktak91 (Oct 27, 2012)

I don't understand the argument that claims any company charging higher prices for its products is there to rip off its customers, and that any company charging lower prices is a hero to the users. Products are given a price tag for a reason. Pricy products are pricy because they have to be priced that way, and cheaper products can be priced cheaply because they can be priced that way. Quality comes at a price. In the end, you always get what you pay for.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Oct 28, 2012)

False statement taktak91.

I work for fashion industry. We produce high quality clothes with the same quality as Lacoste do with the scientifically proved best coton on this world.

Regarding our margins we are able to offer polo shirts at a price tag of 30 euros and make big profits on it. Since our marketing image is based on quality products we are pushed to sell them at a retail price of 90 euros for the simple reason that our competitors, like Lacoste, charge this price. We do that simply because customers believe that quality is related to this higher retail price. If we offer our polo at a price tag of 30 euros...non of our customer would believe the quality is the same as Lacoste, despite we have the exact same coton supplier :)

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Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Oct 25, 2012)

These seem like good prices if the performance holds up.

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BJN
By BJN (Oct 25, 2012)

Does Samsung make an adapter so these will fit my Galaxy S3 phone? Sorry, I guess that's a "Connect" question. ;-)

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scalll
By scalll (Oct 25, 2012)

Although expecting a longer focal length I will be happy to add the 45mm to my NX-line-up...
Sure, the NX camera's have their annoyances, but man...using the NX200 + 30mm F2.0 wide open is a real treat : tack sharp images straight out of my jacket pocket with nice OOF backgrounds...

If the 45mm is as sharp (which is highly likely), things will only get better :-)

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the reason
By the reason (Oct 25, 2012)

what the hell am i supposed to do with a 67.5mm lens??? Canon Nikon, Pentax, and samsung dont seem to get it, if you have an APS C sensor you should make APS C lenses. Fuji gets it, the upcoming 56.5mm comes to 85mm f1.4, a classic portrait lens. Even m4/3s gets it with the upcoming 42.5mm f1.2 (coming to 85mm), and every lens they make comes to a classic focal length . Heck, even the nikon 1 system has an upcoming 32.5mm f1.2 that comes to 85mm.
Just drop the system already and be done with it, stop half assing it

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viking79
By viking79 (Oct 25, 2012)

Take pictures? Not all lenses have to be 24, 35, 55 on APS-C.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

Probably something Samsung took from Pentax - awkward focal lengths. :D

45mm is close to normal, so it wont look that strange (FOV is just crop, doesnt mean much). Tho it should have been over 50mm..

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random78
By random78 (Oct 26, 2012)

Keep in mind that samsung already has a 60mm lens i.e. 90mm equivalent, so that focal length is already there. They also have an 85m 1.4 which is a great portrait lens (like 135mm f2 on FF, which is my favorite portrait focal length). The point of the 45mm 1.8 is to have a telephoto option which is fast yet small. Fast telephoto lenses for APS-C are going to be big as seen from the 60mm and 85mm NX lenses. m43 does better at small telephoto lenses but even there the 75mm 1.8 lens is a very large lens. But people look for small lenses to go with their small mirror-less cameras. So 45mm 1.8 is a compromise - a lens for those who want to stick to small lenses but still want telephoto capability.

Samsung has one of the better lens lineups in the mirror-less world, though m43 certainly does better for obvious reasons. But Samsung does much better than say Sony. And their lens FL's are for APS-C - for example the first lens that the released for NX was 30mm f2 - a perfect APS-C normal

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Entropius
By Entropius (Oct 26, 2012)

I'd actually have really wanted a lens of that focal length last weekend (90 mm 35mm equivalent was too long -- I had the Zuiko 45/1.8). What should you do with it? I dunno, take pictures? It's not as though there are only certain useful focal lengths.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (Oct 26, 2012)

Try changing the aspect ratio on your digital camera and then see what happens to your 'perfect' focal lengths! You might as well throw your hands in the air and run out the door screaming! Or just stop posting really stupid comments.

Every image is distorted by the lens to make it appear flat. No two lenses will be a perfect match.

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Prime_Lens
By Prime_Lens (Oct 28, 2012)

I am sorry if this will offend you, but that has to be the dumbest comment of the month.
Canon crop factor of 1.6x and 1.3x must be something of an enigma to you.
Do you not ever do a post process cropping?
Also, have you ever heard of a zoom lens?

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Oct 25, 2012)

Me think Samsung is just squuzing out the last drop from NX users before dropping the system and start from scratch. The competition among Japanese companies is so fearce there is no chance for a half-baked system to succeed. (True for Canon's EOS M as well)

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

I wouldnt be mad if they really did that, but nope they wont. They sell a lot of these in Korea, which is their prime market and what they care about. Probably reason why its so under-marketed elswhere.

And FYI its one of best mirrorless systems (not joking). I would put is second after m4/3. Sure NEX have nice cams, but lens are mostly crap, with one "almost Zeiss". While Samsung have pretty much only good lens covering range from 16mm to 200mm. Including pretty good primes which with exception of 85mm f1.4 are priced very nicely.

Plus theres is Samyang 14mm if someone wants to go wider and endless number of adapters and lens if someone wants more than 200mm (300mm equiv).

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Oct 26, 2012)

You mean just like they squeeze from the Galaxy III and the Galaxy Tab?

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JWest
By JWest (Oct 29, 2012)

If NX goes - which it won't, because in many ways it's the best mirrorless system out there - then Samsung would be out of mirrorless for good.

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JWest
By JWest (Oct 30, 2012)

BTW Mescalamba, there's also a Samyang 8mm fisheye for NX mount, if you want to go *really* wide. :)

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photopaque
By photopaque (Nov 1, 2012)

Samsung is not Japanese. It is Korean and they sell very well in Korea.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Oct 25, 2012)

gosh these mirrorless lenses seem expensive. why do lenses with same focal length and fstop of and slr lens cost more here. I dont understand this. You would thing a solid argument for theses systems is that because they are aps-c and smaller the lenses will be less expensive. but it is just repeatedly the case that they cost as much as the equivalent full frame lens. I find this baffling

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (Oct 25, 2012)

It's easy to guess. Because it's harder to research and design lenses for small registration distance from the flange of the lens to the sensor compared to dSLR..

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

Cause they are designed from scratch and actually most Samsung lens is better than most dSLR lens. :) Not top ones, but then they dont cost as top ones. :D

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shademaster
By shademaster (Oct 25, 2012)

again: if inexpensiveFeeling==lightWeight, then bring on the inexpensiveFeeling! DPR: any word on release date?

0 upvotes
ogl
By ogl (Oct 25, 2012)

good prices...

0 upvotes
shademaster
By shademaster (Oct 25, 2012)

Hard to swallow $300 when the sony a-mount equivalent costs $150 and the canon and nikon equivalents (with builtin motor) cost about $200. But I guess NEX users would have the same complaint about the cost of the E-mount 50mm vs the A-mount 50mm. Charging a premium for the small size, I guess.

2 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Oct 25, 2012)

No, the Sony E mount equivalent is $300, don't compare this to the A mount. However, the E mount has OIS so still maybe a better buy. The question is how it will perform. The 30 mm f/2 is an excellent lens in almost every regard, lets hope the 45 mm f/1.8 is similar. Comparing the 30 mm f/2 (about $200) to Sony E mount 35 mm f/1.8 ($450) and it is a bargain, so the pair would be substantially less.

3 upvotes
Rooru S
By Rooru S (Oct 25, 2012)

Comparing the E-mount 50mm vs A-mount isn't fair. The E-mount has Optical Stabilization, it's designed for 18mm registration distance (instead of 44.5mm for A-mount so R&D is harder for the E-mount), and it has a Silent Internal AF that doesn't extend nor rotate (instead of the lousy AF mechanism found on the A-mount version that extends). And to add something else, the E-mount is capable of DMF. The A-mount doesn't.

1 upvote
shademaster
By shademaster (Oct 25, 2012)

I don't get the issue of registry. Can't the CSC designers just take the DSLR design and put in some empty space to put the optics further away? Just like an adapter? The E-Mount version is 17mm longer than the A-Mount version, which is approaching (not quite equal) to the difference in registry. Or are there other reasons why one wouldn't want all the glass far out from the flange? (balance, etc.?) I know this somewhat defeats the point of the CSCs, but is the design really that much harder that it justifies 100% bump in price (OK... OIS accounts for some of that, but...). I still feel like this is simple economics, and they're charging as much as the CSC users will pay.

1 upvote
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (Oct 28, 2012)

"Can't the CSC designers just take the DSLR design and put in some empty space to put the optics further away?"

Pentax did exactly that.

Then people bitched that the camera (K-01) is too large.

0 upvotes
Jorginho
By Jorginho (Oct 25, 2012)

I always feel sad when I hear about this system. Look at and it looks really nice and also distinctive. Samsungs lenses are also performing (reasonably) well and some are excellent. Soon after the start I started to wonder what on earth Samsung was thinking. They started behind and kept on trailing m43s especially.
Also in my views inexplicable failures like the NX200/210 that does not allow you to use an EVF.

And now these very nice looking lenses....Again, following Oly it seems with its 9-18mm lens and the 45 f1.8 seems to be similar to the Oly too (although it translates into 60 instead of 90 mm of course).

Samsung needs to wake up fast and start to get rid of gimicks or less than necessary things like iFn on the lens. WiFi in the cam etc. But get the users an NX200 with built in EVF, a cam that has no problems with buffers and enormous files, get the sensors to perform better than they do now (although base ISO looks really supern I have to say).

7 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Oct 25, 2012)

I can hardly tell a difference between ISO 3200 on my NX20 vs D7000. The D7000 might be like 1/3 stop better, but it isn't huge. When shooting RAW.

What Samsung needs is better marketing. They have a nice camera and lens lineup. The could probably polish up the processing as you mention, but overall it is a very good system. They just need to sell it.

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9 upvotes
Arn
By Arn (Oct 25, 2012)

Exactly. Samsung sucks at marketing. If any other major brand had a camera like the NX20 and the NX lens line, it would sell like hotcakes.

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4 upvotes
zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 25, 2012)

Speaking as a former NX user, you and the DPR author's comments summed it up nicely. Nice lenses... but mediocre bodies, slow product development & availability, nearly non-existent market, too much focus on gimmicks instead of core photography function...

Also, this 45/1.8 was originally rumored to be a 55/1.8 which would have had me a lot more interested. I don't have much use for a 45mm on an APS-C camera.

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3 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Oct 25, 2012)

Do you have problems with arithmetic? Equivalent focal length is 69mm.

0 upvotes
nawknai
By nawknai (Oct 25, 2012)

It seems like you're the one with a reading comprehension problem....

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (Oct 25, 2012)

THe NX system not selling like hotcakes indeed has to do with marketing. On the Samsung forum I have said that over and over again. However: other brands selling like hotcakes have less to do with marketing and more with those brands (Nikon especially) having a good name in this industry. Samsung is mch less lknown, so people don't like it and really need to be convinced to buy it. The NX20 simply does not have those features. It has clear downsides and because people are more critical, these downsides will be found. That is htat small buffer and those huge files especially. And also: it has nothing in its favour compared to others. It is a me-too product. Something like a Gh2, but with larger lenses, less video IQ, slower operation.

And 45+22.5 means 67.5=68 mm. Not 69 mm. If you are so exacting...it seems someone else has my problem too.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

Im would love to hear what "gimmicks" does Samsung offer. Cause they are most gimmick free cams on market. Along with Ricoh or Leica. And unlike others they are actually made by ppl who know thing or two about photography.. not about playing on Playstation.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (Oct 25, 2012)

May be Wifi and Ifn is not a gimmick per se. But they become irritating to me when they add those to a cam (WiFi especiallY0 when something else is so soarly missing. NX200 not only does not have an EVF, it does not have an option. Bu twait wait wait...NX210 is on its way. With..WIFI! And no..EVF! And you say they are made by people who knwow a thing or two about photography. Well, those two things were not WiFI or iFn.

Which mirrorless cams you know of have more gimmicks or design flaws?

Sony: NEX has a a system with and without built in EVF, fantstic sensor and very small bodies
Panny: complete body and lens line up, superior video and very good IQ, very good lenses
Oly: like Panny, lessin the video department, distinctive design, IBIS and much appreciated JPG engine.
Nikon: small system with excellent PDAF.
Fuji: Superior IQ, classy, OVF and EVF in some cams
Samsung: iFn and Wifi...(I am kidding a bit: excellent lenses, well designed bodies) .

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Oct 26, 2012)

Jorginho,
You should read the press release form Samsung, and there it exactly says 69.3mm, because the multiplier is 1.54. Do your math.
Samsung also has bodies with EVF: NX20, NX10, NX11, NX5, NX100 (option)
Same as the others. Some sony NEXes also doesnt'a have an optional EVF (NEX-3).

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Oct 26, 2012)

Samsung just need to hire PSY to market their cameras, instant sales if he had one around his neck shooting Gagnam Style on some commerical.

C

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zkz5
By zkz5 (Oct 26, 2012)

"Im would love to hear what "gimmicks" does Samsung offer. Cause they are most gimmick free cams on market."

Direct to Facebook uploads?

0 upvotes
Zavodenka
By Zavodenka (Oct 25, 2012)

When I see Samsung logo first thing comes to my head is vacuum cleaner.

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ogl
By ogl (Oct 25, 2012)

Absurd. NX system offers one of the best line of lenses between other brands.

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Kuturgan
By Kuturgan (Oct 25, 2012)

Because you know nothing in mirrorless photography. Samsung NX system has excellent and cheap lenses compare to Sony NEX.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

I know about Samsung NX and quite a bit, but here when you hear "Samsung" you think "TV" and then "Galaxy". Thats pretty much it, cause I never saw any add or anything marketing NX cams. Neither did most ppl.

Its not about Samsung not making good cams, its more about Samsung not letting anyone know they make them. :D

6 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Oct 26, 2012)

Really? You need "adds" (sheesh!) to buy a product?

0 upvotes
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Oct 26, 2012)

Hmmm, how about "the biggest competitor to Apple Iphone and Ipad?"

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (Oct 25, 2012)

For real , if one had some real experience with the NX system, then one would be more open to it as they are pretty well made and deliver the quality, though one cannot say that they are being better than others. That stated, Samsung marketing for NX is just plain awful

4 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (Oct 25, 2012)

only fools buy samsung...

4 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Oct 25, 2012)

Having used most of the NX cameras, I'd find that statement hard to support.

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Raw Images Raw Talk
By Raw Images Raw Talk (Oct 25, 2012)

only a buffoon would write such a thing. Seriously.

7 upvotes
Ariston
By Ariston (Oct 27, 2012)

by that statement, you don't know photography.

1 upvote
jsis
By jsis (Oct 25, 2012)

meh.... Nikon's offering is better.

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Raw Images Raw Talk
By Raw Images Raw Talk (Oct 25, 2012)

you just like saying "meh".

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (Oct 25, 2012)

Which one exactly?

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

Amusing..

..no, not really.

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Ariston
By Ariston (Oct 27, 2012)

if it's a dlsr, I agree. if it's their V1, I'll laugh at you.

0 upvotes
BrightEyesOnFire
By BrightEyesOnFire (Oct 25, 2012)

A product launch with no samples? Typically amateur move by Samsung.

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Raw Images Raw Talk
By Raw Images Raw Talk (Oct 25, 2012)

FYI, amateurs don't manufacture camera lenses but don't let facts get in the way of any foolish statement you may want to make.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Oct 25, 2012)

Frankly it is bad move, seeing some really nice samples would probably help, wouldnt it?

Maybe even build marketing on that? Make billboard size print of some amazing enough landscape with NX20 and this new lens.. and just make small text under it "Captured with Samsung NX20 + 12-24mm f4-5.6ED ".

Tho samples would be simply nice.

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BrightEyesOnFire
By BrightEyesOnFire (Oct 26, 2012)

Raw Images. would you have preferred I describe their decision as a stupid, idiotic, brainless, ignorant, or clueless move instead? Or do you just want to argue semantics to justify some kind of irrational fandom of Samsung?

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