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Reader's concept prompts question: what would your ideal camera be?

Oct 19, 2012 at 23:22:01 GMT
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What does your dream camera look like? One of our more enterprising readers has sketched-out what his would look like - creating an interesting contemporary rangefinder concept. Bristling with Nikon F4-inspired manual controls, each dial and switch also has a 'neutral' position to allow the on-screen interface settings to take precedence. Easycass acknowledges the concept may not be entirely possible - an 'ultra-fast' 24-105mm lens would dictate a fairly small sensor, and autofocus rangefinders have never exactly been commonplace - but it raises questions the question: 'What would your perfect camera be?'

With mirrorless and large-sensor compacts still going through a growth spurt, what would you like to see? What controls would you demand and what balance of size, price, sensor size and lens specs would you like to see. Let us know in the comments, below and try to be plausible (a realistic price is usually more than you want to pay for it).

If the comments section doesn't give you the space to express your ideas, consider doing what Easycass has done - create your own article.

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Jim Ford
By Jim Ford (7 months ago)

The camera manufacturers need to take care when paying attention to this thread!

After WW2 a British motorcycle magazine posted a survey of what readers thought their ideal motorcycle would be. Sunbeam built the S7 and S8 as result of the survey. They were both basically flops!

Jim

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deniz erdem
By deniz erdem (7 months ago)

my ideal camera is the new leica M. they made the perfect camera for me.

compact and durable body/lenses - check
manual aperture and shutter dial - check
real rangefinder for street and travel work. - check
live view for architectural work (wide angle and precision) - check
full frame sensor - check
gps unit for my location mapping project - check

of course in a perfect world, it would be using a foveon sensor with good high iso and magnificent corner performance but within the limits of current technology, its just perfect. not i just have to rob a bank or something. :/

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MPA1
By MPA1 (7 months ago)

In a perfect world it would be AF too so that those of us without 20/20 vision could actually get in focus shots with it in a hurry.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (7 months ago)

Th eproblem with Leica is the absurd lens prices. They'd need first to develop a decent AF system and then let 3rd parties make cheaper lenses. But that's, likely, what a ML FF from Nikon will be like in 10 years ...

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deniz erdem
By deniz erdem (7 months ago)

well if this is my dream camera, it doesnt need AF :)

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (7 months ago)

I keep reading here request for digital FM2, but: would you guys give up autofocus & image stabilization ? I don't think it's possible to make features such as these two take no space.

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wildbild
By wildbild (7 months ago)

actually my dream camera is a rangefinder with all manual controls, such as focus, aperture-ring and speed-dial and a larger medium format sensor. all these ›fancy features‹ are just in the way of my photography!

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (7 months ago)

@wildbild
Rangefinder ? I would like to remind you that rangefinder design (the focusing aid in the form of two overlaying images exaggerating misfocus) preclude the zoom lens designs.
Even if you omited the rangefinder (that is not the same thing as OVF), you still end up with manual focus, unstabilized shooting.
I doubt that action photographers (among others) would be happy with this.

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my username was already taken
By my username was already taken (7 months ago)

@wildbild
You can buy your dream camera today. Good for you!

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CFynn
By CFynn (7 months ago)

Sure I'd give up AF and image stabilization for an "FM digital"

Actually if the AF was on the sensor it wouldn't really take up space.

1 upvote
InTheMist
By InTheMist (7 months ago)

A rangefinder in Nikon F-mount with at least an APS-C sensor.

3 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

A camera with the same feature set as the x-pro 1 but smaller, cheaper and with perfect firmware is something I'd go for, all the current csc systems have various combinations of these but so far none have everything.

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Keto
By Keto (7 months ago)

So a Fuji X-e1?

3 upvotes
KjellR
By KjellR (7 months ago)

My ideal camera would have:

FX size sensor
Smallish body, but with near pro build quality
The possibility to use zoom lenses, but I would be able to live with fixed lenses only
Lowish price
Plenty of high quality optics

Which means that what I want is a digital Contax G or possibly a digital version of my Voigtlander Bessa R3.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

Isn't that basically the new liveview Leica M? (Apart from the cheap bit)

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (7 months ago)

What is FX sensor? That is not a sensor format. Maybe you mean 35mm.

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KjellR
By KjellR (7 months ago)

@Andy Crowe: I have never been able to use liveview for composing images, so I need a zooming viewfinder. And I want Voigtlader Bessa R prices, not Leica M. :-)

@RedFox88: It's what Nikon call their full frame 35mm sensors. I have been shooting Nikon for many, many years.

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MisterJ
By MisterJ (7 months ago)

In-my-pocket iPhone with -

1 Olloclip, but built to Zeiss/Leica spec.

2 Bigger sensor.

Add assorted apps and I'm there for many things.

For video, studio, and specialist work, a Panasonic GH3 should be OK.

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Cwiss
By Cwiss (7 months ago)

Due to lack of time I need a pocketable large sensor compact that I can always carry with me and take pictures with, when I spontaneously have time for it:

Similar to Sony Rx-100
- 1 inch sensor (similar to RX-100)
- Flash with bounce off wall possibility
- Pocketable dimensions (Sony's: 101x58x36 mm)
- Lens Ring to adjust aperture or shutter speed

Similar to Canon G15
- A lens fast enough to capture low depth of field images
- At least 4x zoom if not 5x zoom
- Built-in ND filter
- 1080 full HD at 24 fps and stereo mic
- Manual buttons for exposure

Additionally:
Manual button for ISO, and free functional button

AND WHAT WOULD BE THE COOLEST (however not so realistic...):
If it were shock, and waterproof (to at least 10 m, better 15 m).

Basically it would be the best of these three cameras in one!

As the saying is, "The best camera is the one you carry with you", I'd carry this one with me ALL the time! :)))

3 upvotes
JesperMP
By JesperMP (7 months ago)

If it has to be waterproof, it cant have a collapsible lens, thus not pocketable.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (7 months ago)

My concept blends the best parts from current models.

Base: Olympus XZ-2 with optional EVF/OVF
Changes:
- multi aspect Foveon sensor, 2/3", only 10 MP, high ISO like Oly's 16MP sensor
- fast CPU: no lags with RAW, 5-10 fps
- collapsible lens 24-100mm, F1.8.2.5, quality like XZ/LX7, manual zoom like X10
- manual focus with magnification like PEN-series + focus peaking
- extra switches/buttons: time/iso, EV, focus, flash, 2x custom FN
- exact horiz. level system with sound
- size like XZ-1 (G15 can do this with even more zoom, but smaller sensor)
- price: 400-500€
- water sealing would be perfect, but is prob. impossible

I do not care about video capability, as it puts too many restrictions on sensor, CPU and lens system. Also GPS, touch screen and Wifi are negligible.

3 upvotes
piratejabez
By piratejabez (7 months ago)

I like it.

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vijayparikh
By vijayparikh (7 months ago)

For me it would be the following:

Take the Nikon FM3a

-replace the file loading section with a full frame sensor
- rip out that mirror
- add an extra dial for the ISO settings
- replace the optical viewfinder with a digita
- add a digital battery readout indicating battery life/shots taken/remaining
- no lcd preview screen
- bonus pointes if it sihips with a 50mm f1.4
- Price it < $2000

And there you have it -- It'll never happen. But I can still dream :)

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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montygm
By montygm (7 months ago)

I agree. I still have my FM3a and it was an icon in its day. Great camera.

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xpanded
By xpanded (7 months ago)

That is easy - an Epson R-D2 = an R-D1s with a higher megapixel sensor.

3 upvotes
Nordstjernen
By Nordstjernen (7 months ago)

My dream: A camera with excellent ergonomy and just manual shutter speed, aperture setting and ISO setting, electronic viewfinder and no lightmeter other than what you see in the EVF/on the screen (live histogram on/off). All available data power should be used for the tracking autofocus. Such a camera would be simple and extremery quick in use, have good battery life, and you would get rid of everything that is not needed. Back to basic! The extreme basic!

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (7 months ago)

>"but it raises questions the question: "

I think it would behove this site to proofread the couple of lines of news posted daily.
Looking at how many staff you now have one would think you'd at least read 10 lines of news twice before hitting the old "publish"-button. SCNR.

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avbee
By avbee (7 months ago)

interchange of Sensor!!!

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Keto
By Keto (7 months ago)

Rioch do that.

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Joachim Gerstl
By Joachim Gerstl (7 months ago)

Now that looks ugly. I think a camera hasn't to be perfect. I love my Fuji X100 and it's far from perfect. Perfection is boring. Now if I think about it: The camera above looks just fine.

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io_bg
By io_bg (7 months ago)

A full-frame mirrorless with DSLR handling (large hand grip, buttons and dials for all important settings), fast autofocus (about 30 well-spread AF points), a good viewfinder (I prefer optical ones but we'll have to go with a digital one here) and a large battery - lasting for about 1000 shots.

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Tape5
By Tape5 (7 months ago)

Photographers love cameras because each one knows that their cameras are nowhere near perfect. But have their own strengths.

Perfection sucks.

Good work squeezes itself out of limitations and imperfections and utilises strengths.

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povetron
By povetron (7 months ago)

I really like the way of Fuji X-Pro1 and Oly OM-D, so my ideal camera could be quite similar to this:

+ aps-c sensor with Foveon or X-Trans CMOS sensor with adequate resolution (max 16MP for aps-c), no AA filter
+ same controls like on X-Pro1, rather smaller body
+ in body stabilization
+ base ISO 50 (with best IQ)
+1/4000s shutter, quiet shutter
+ hybrid viewfinder, with focus peaking in OVF, accurate digitaly projected framelines for composition with paralax correction in OVF
+ external phase detection AF sensor - like in Ricoh GR Digital IV, good AF performance in lowlight
+ at least 400 pictures per battery
+ two sd card slots
+weather sealed
+ 24,35,50,80,135mm fast primes, 24-80 f/4 zoom,35mm pancake prime, FF EQ, distance and DOF scales for manual focus - like Olympus M.Zuiko 12mm f/2 ED, apperture ring with 1/2 stops clicks, displayed values + A position,
weather sealed
+small flash unit with ver bouncing, built-in bounce card, highspeed sync

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zoranT
By zoranT (7 months ago)

Welcome back to the 1990's.

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Ironmember
By Ironmember (7 months ago)

Secondo me la fotocamera ideale dovrebbe essere proposta in DUE ( 2 ) modelli ( perchè nessuno ci ha pensato ? ) uno tascabile ed uno grande con le dimensioni di una reflex tipo Nikon D90, entrambi i modelli dovrebbero essere FF, il tascabile dovrebbe essere come la Coolpix P7700 "ma col mirino elettronico ! e FF" , l'altro dovrebbe essere una D90 FF con almeno 51 punti AF e una funzione Video degna di questo nome, Wi Fi integrata (senza aggiuntivi) e GPS integrato , Tropicalizzata nel Corpo/Ottica , *entrambi i modelli dovrebbero essere equipaggiati con un ottica 20-105 oppure 20-200 possibilmente a f/ costante, anche un f/4 andrebbe bene, lenti ED e sistema VR di terza generazione, Sul modello ad ingombro "reflex" (ottima ergonomia) lo schermo DEVE essere Orientabile ( tipo D5100 per capirci ) e dovrebbe avere DUE ( 2 ) Flash integrati ( ma perchè nessuno ci ha mai pensato prima ? sarebbero una manna per le foto macro. ) . L'obiettvo (teorico) 20-200 f/4 VR III APO Macro 1:2

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Tracy LeBlanc
By Tracy LeBlanc (7 months ago)

My camera would be a full frame DSLR in a compact-ish weather-sealed alloy body with great low light capabilities and WiFi and GPS built in.
Oh wait, Canon just released the 6D. Okay, never mind. They've already made mine. I just have to wait for it to start shipping.

For me, and apparently only me, I like things that do exactly what I want or need without a lot of overkill fluff just to impress others. Sure, the 6D doesn't have a million AF points. But I don't even use all the 9 that I have. "But the 6D doesn't have an onboard flash!" Good! I hate onboard flashes and I prefer to choose when or if I need to carry one around. I'd rather have something that has excellent high ISO performance and focuses in moonlight.

Anyway, I could go on and rant more but I'll stop. I didn't mean this to be a review of the 6D. Sorry. :)

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OttoVonChriek
By OttoVonChriek (7 months ago)

Well I would like to think about realistic features:

1) Interchangable sensors...sensors mounted on a small panel which fixes into the back of the camera so that it can be switched for a different type, as well as making cleaning easier.

2) Good quality EVF's mounted on the top left edge of the camera, the EVF's also allow a continuous overlay of the histogram, as well as the possibility to review and doi anything else you would otherwise do on the LCD.

3) Less fancy electronics in camera, built in WiFi to supplied Android/iPhone app designed to seamlessly integrate with the camera for more advanced features.

I would note that as the battery and the sensor or two of the most expensive items in a mirrorless camera body, it would be feasable to supply fixed lens/camera combinations without sensors and batteries.

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Royi Avital
By Royi Avital (7 months ago)

Something like the Olympus OM-D E-M5 with the following adjustments:
1. WiFi - Full control over WiFi with documented SDK for personal development of Applications for iOS, Android and Windows Phone.
The SDK must supply Live View, and full control over the shutter, exposure and focus.
2. Built In intervalometer.
3. GPS (Or allow GPS tagging by the WiFi SDK).
4. Bracketing Done Right (Allow initialization with one click to take all photos).

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ianimal
By ianimal (7 months ago)

FF NEX9 with built-in EVF. And some small primes.

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EPons
By EPons (7 months ago)

A manual zoom lens like the FZ50 panasonic but splash proof

*(a new FZ50 with a new sensor and a 28-450mm f2.8 with splash proof will be my dream)

or an FZ200 but manual zoom lens splash proof

or like the DMC-GH3 with 18-250 or 18-300 splash proof

or like Fuji xs1 with splash proof with a sharper lens

or the pentax k5 with a 18-300 splash proof....

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MisterJ
By MisterJ (7 months ago)

Ah the FZ50 - I loved mine until it got dropped in the sea.

Replaced it with an FZ150, but far too automated for my taste - slower too.

GH3 looks interesting though.

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iudex
By iudex (7 months ago)

A dream camera that is impossible to build:
A fullframe rangefider style compact with fixed zoom lens (24-200 mm f1,4-2,8), combined OVF/EVF, waterproof, loads of external controls, not bigger than NEX-6 with collapsible kit zoom.
A dream camera that could be made:
A compact camera with fixed zoom lens (like Sony RX100), 1" to 4/3 sensor, EVF (like Nikon V1), 25-100 mm lens with f1,8-2,8, sufficiend hand-grip, enough external controls.
The closest to this dream is a Sony RX100 with EVF and a bit wider and faster lens.

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Rune Molnes
By Rune Molnes (7 months ago)

Medium format 60MP weather sealed camera

- 6x6 micron pixel size
- Live view functionality with live view focusing similar to Canon/Nikon. While still maintaining superior image quality equal to that of the latest Dalsa CCD's at base ISO.
- Top notch lenses, with optical quality similar to Leica S or Schneider/Phase One 645.
- Fully weather sealed camera housing, including digital back, and lenses.
- Intuitive handling, including menu system. Bright LCD viewable in sunlight and from an acute angle.
- RAW format: Adobe native format, .psd or similar.
- True 16- bit color processing, and lots of dynamic range.
- Lenses: 24mm, 35mm, 45mm T/S, 80mm, 120mm, 250mm. They do not need to be too bright, but sharp and realtively compact for hiking etc. All lenses must be able to take front- mounted filters.
- Operating conditions: - 20 to + 50 Celcius, with batteries which endure in cold weather.

Anyone out there who are willing to design and put this baby into production? ;)

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limlh
By limlh (7 months ago)

What a silly looking camera. I may end up turning the camera back, front and top just to see where the buttons are. Doesn't he know about Quick menu?

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ebbo
By ebbo (7 months ago)

I'd love a digital back for my OM1, that's never goner happen is it

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Zoran K
By Zoran K (7 months ago)

Digital Mamiya 6.

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rallyfan
By rallyfan (7 months ago)

The "ideal" camera is NO camera at all, ever again.

A mobile phone with the capabilities of, say, an MF digital back and a 10mm - 200mm f/2,8 or something would be ideal if it could shoot 10fps. Until that happens (read: never?...) at least a mobile with a camera like yesteryear's compact digicams would be great. The more phones improve the less I care about digicams, even -- if not especially -- large bulky DSLRs.

Carrying kit around is just not on. Miniaturize before eliminating entirely.

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Andrei Yashin
By Andrei Yashin (7 months ago)

1. 24-120 f3,5 manual zoom lens with macro mode (olympus 12-50 style)
2. 18 mpx APS matrix with working ISO up to 6400
3. AF system as fast as Canon 650D and usable in pure light conditions
4. 6 fps shooting rate
5. weather sealed body and lens
6. old style control (leica style)
7. flash hot shoe, no in-camera flash
8. no any in-camera effects, gps, video and others marketing things.
9. Additional fish-eye lens

Ready to pay $2500

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noirdude
By noirdude (7 months ago)

I'd like to see a Digital Voigtlander Bessa.. FF.. something like Epson RD1.. or Leica M digital.. with much less dollars of course.

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Eric Glam
By Eric Glam (7 months ago)

1. 27x18mm Foveon sensor, no AA filter, 5400x3600 3:2 (19.4MP on each layer). 1.33 crop factor.
2. CFast or half-mSATA storage media. 150MB/s minimum sequential write.
3. 3Ah battery that can last for 1000 shots or 3Hr of video.
4. Weather sealed body.
5. One fixed lens (like Sony RX1, Fuji X100). X10 motorized zoom, f/1.8 throughout zoom range. 24-240mm range.
6. WiFi A/B/G/N with 2.4GHz and 5GHz.
7. USB3.0 port
8. 120Hz 3.5" LCD with 800nits brightness. Fully articulated like the Sony A99. iPhone-grade multi-touch capability with touch focus and touch shutter.
9. Video: 2560x1440p60 and 1920x1080p72, All-I, 72Mbps, 4:2:2
10. Stills: DNG RAW, 10fps with AF between shots.

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Panasonicus
By Panasonicus (7 months ago)

Micro 2/3rds Contax G3x. Brilliant OVF, matchless lenses, wonderful build-quality. Looks like the pastiche above. The Olympus xz-2 is getting close but it lacks a 24mm at the wide end and the VF is expensive. The Sony RX100 is possibly close to the best but it too lacks 24mm. That leaves the Panasonic LX7 but with an even smaller sensor than it predecessor. Canon's G1x is too big and no 24mm and the G15 suffers with the same problem--no 24mm and a useless OVF. Bottom line: I am still waiting but in the meantime will persevere with my Panasonic G3 and 2 lenses which are too bulky for me as I findconvenience is starting to rule the day.

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dougster1979
By dougster1979 (7 months ago)

How about a collapsible camera(high end DSLR standard) that folds into the size of a compact that fits in your pocket," you heard it hear first" i want royalties.

1 upvote
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (7 months ago)

Fujifilm X-S1 is very close to my dreamed ideal - if Fuji just did not screw it up in their own unimitable way. Had X-S1's lens sharpenss not been compromised & IS would be actually working, I'd say X-S1 is my dream.

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logbi77
By logbi77 (7 months ago)

Olympus XZ-2 form factor with option for EVF, built-in bounce flash like in the E-PL1 with option for wireless flash, 24-90mm eq. f/2.0-2.8 lens with built-in ND filter, shutter speed of 1/4000, keep the bulb mode, 1" sensor that is at least 1 2/3 stops better than the latest 12mp Sony 1/1.7" sensor, preferably multi-aspect. Priced around the Sony RX100 range.

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KAMSA
By KAMSA (7 months ago)

Love al my gear

reg.

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (7 months ago)

I have ideal camera : Nikon D700.
I need an AF Leica Elmarit 28/2.8 or an AF Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8 for D700
and a Nikon 400/5.6.
That's all.

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

I loved the lens on my Sony D770. 28-140mm F2-2.4

Now that's a useful range

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

I have always wished for this: Nikon body with Fuji processing. I LOVE the way Fuji does their colors, especially skin tones. The S5 Pro was the closest thing to that. If only you could upload color profiles into a camera similar to changing types of film.

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Don Douglas
By Don Douglas (7 months ago)

Have you tried processing with Silkypix? I'm fairly satisfied with their versions of Velvia, Kodachrome, etc.

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will look into it!

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Don Douglas
By Don Douglas (7 months ago)

Weather-sealed magnesium body with in-body stabilization and vertical grip with AA power option (sort of like a mirrorless version of the Pentax K-5)

Focus peaking which functions as well in the EVF as in the LCD; ability to switch mechanically between EVF and LCD, turning off the one not in use

Tilt-shift adapters for a variety of lenses with as many electronic contacts as possible

DNG raw format

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Mir_ro
By Mir_ro (7 months ago)

medium format sensor, Nikon D3200 body :), canon 1D AF, fuji X glass

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cboudier
By cboudier (7 months ago)

The dream camera for most people is... the next to come :-/
(i.e. never satisfied)

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

I agree. I already have my dream cameras. D600 & Sony HX30V

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landscapist
By landscapist (7 months ago)

I would like to see a Nikon P7700 with the wide zoom extended to 24 mm eq.
(or a Lumix LX7 with the tele zoom extended to 200mm eq.)
As long as it doesn't end up with a bulky thing like the Fujifilm XS-1.
That's not too much to ask for, isn't it?

Comment edited 43 seconds after posting
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tkbslc
By tkbslc (7 months ago)

This camera and most of the comments remind me of the episode of the Simpson's where Homer designs a car.

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John Iversen
By John Iversen (7 months ago)

The ONE crucial element I would have for an ideal highend camera is missing in action - that of interchangeable sensors. This, of course, would take a set of standards similar to those used by the computer industry for their components, but as the computer industry has clearly achieved this goal years ago there is no reason the camera industry cannot. The industry could offer a lineup of sensors for any particular body. Obviously, this range of sensors could run from bare-bones (and less expensive) offerings to full-tilt boogie professional sensors at the high end. Additionally, there is the possibility of sensors tuned to specific types of shooting, or specialized photography. This would NOT lose the industry any profitability (which I believe is the basis of their fear of this route), but would actually improve their range of product and profitability.

That being said, a weathersealed Olympus E-30 with a portion of the E-1 control layout would be my ideal setup.

John

John

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

I don't see it that way. It's not worth upgrading your computer until 1 or 2 generations have passed, and when that has happened, you need a new motherboard anyway. There isn't really that big of a difference between all the current processors out there. For example: I just built a very fast Intel system. When I need to upgrade, I'm SURE that the motherboard won't support whatever processor it is that I want. The last time I made a computer, I had a socket 775 motherboard (before that, a 478). Now I have an 1155. Each new design comes with huge improvements in speed.

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John Iversen
By John Iversen (7 months ago)

Dan -
I don't know if you realize it, but you just made my point perfectly. Face it, every camera user has a different "ideal" feature set, ergonomics, body size, viewfinder, controls, lenses. And they prefer one manufacturer over the rest for that very reason. That you could use a particular body for several iterations of sensor before that "generation" of body required a new motherboard, so to speak - and thus a significant design change - is just fine. Remember that the sensor is - I believe - the most single expensive component in a body, and that the profit margin per body would increase if the manufacturers accepted this paradigm rather than the existing one-shot paradigm of "new sensor requires new body".

John

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xtoph
By xtoph (7 months ago)

No john, i dont think dan made your point at all. He made the point that since different sensors make different demands on the rest of the supporting electronics, many of which are cutting edge and rapidly evolving, it is unlikely that any sensor you would want to upgrade to would work with the rest of the existing camera. This to say nothing of the physical tolerances involved for getting good performance, or the compromises in overall size--any standard socket would have to lose some of the particular efficiencies a unique implementation could take advantage of.

No, modular sensors simply do not make sense, either economically or in terms of performance, for compact (dslr down) cameras.

Besides, think of all the whining about the sensor that accompanies every single new camera announcement as it is. Multiply that by three or five or nine modular sensors, and you'd have a veritable tornado of flying nits.

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (7 months ago)

That's what I'd like to see in a DSLR too John, just like the medium format cameras with interchangable backs. Sensor and hardware in one swap box. Changing between a fovean, fuji, or a 6MP FF or 30mp FF, opens up a world of flexibility.

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

That's right xtoph. Every time I buy a new processor for my computer, I end up buying a new motherboard and new memory. It's not worth it to just upgrade the processor.

Look at how much Nikon charged for the D3 buffer upgrade. $500 plus tax! Let's say $400 of it is for memory. You could buy 100GB of DDR3 RAM for that kind of money!

After that, you need to upgrade your camera's processor because there's no way it will handle the increased demands of the new sensor.

Then you have to upgrade the OS.

Add to this the nightmare of tech support. Can you imagine all the headache that could come from simply trying to get the camera to work without crashing?

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Dan
By Dan (7 months ago)

3DSimmon, how is that different than buying a new camera body? How much do these digital backs cost now? What's left after you change out the sensor and hardware? The AF motor? Oh wait, that's in the lens. How about the AF sensor and viewfinder... The shutter release button?

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3DSimmon
By 3DSimmon (7 months ago)

Dan, the idea is to put everything in the box, the shell contains the box and external dials/buttons and lens mount. Pretty far out I know but we are talking about a fantasy camera here, and that would be mine :)

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LightBug
By LightBug (7 months ago)

FF DSLR same size as Pentax MX.

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tomtom50
By tomtom50 (7 months ago)

FF DSLR same size as Olympus OM-1.

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