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Panasonic goes that bit further with DMC-ZS20 and ZS15 travel zooms

By dpreview staff on Jan 31, 2012 at 05:00 GMT

Panasonic has updated its range of travel zoom cameras with the DMC-ZS20 and DMC-ZS15. The 14MP ZS20, sold as the DMC-TZ30 outside North America, is the slimmest 20x zoom camera on the market. Its lens covers a 24-480mm equivalent range and features the company's latest Power O.I.S stabilization. The 16x, 12MP ZS15 will appear as the TZ25. The high-speed MOS sensor allows the ZS20 to offer autofocus taking as little as 0.1 seconds, and it can shoot at up to 10 frames per second (5fps with AF-tracking). It also has GPS and an updated mapping function to show photos on a map with greater detail. The usefulness of this and other feature is increased by a touchscreen.

The ZS20's newer 14MP sensor allows the ZS20 to shoot 1080p60 movies in AVCHD or, in an interesting step for one of the creators of the AVCHD format, it can also capture 1080p30 in MP4 format. The ZS15, meanwhile, captures 1080i60 from 30p sensor output or, again, 1080p30 in MP4. It maintains the fast focusing but misses out on the touchscreen, has only a mono mic, no GPS and no nano-coating on the lens.

A non-GPS version of the ZS30, called the ZS27/TZ19 will also exist, probably available only through a limited number of camera stores.

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Press Release:

PANASONIC EXPANDS ITS POPULAR ZS-SERIES OF DIGITAL CAMERAS WITH NEW ADVANCED FEATURES AND CREATIVE SHOOTING OPTIONS PACKED IN A SLIM BODY

Panasonic LUMIX ZS20, the World’s Slimmest Digital Camera with a 20x Optical Zoom Lens*1, Also Features Full-HD Video Recording and Built-In GPS Capabilities

Secaucus, NJ (January, 31, 2012) - Panasonic today introduced the LUMIX DMC-ZS20, the newest member of the acclaimed LUMIX ZS-Series, and the world’s slimmest digital camera with a 20x optical zoom lens*1. With a powerful zoom, a 24mm ultra wide-angle LEICA DC VARIO-ELMAR lens and the ability to shoot full-High Defintion (HD), the new LUMIX ZS20 builds on the series’ success as an extremely versatile point-and-shoot model.  With a newly-redesigned lens system, the LUMIX ZS20 features a new mechanical structure and optical system to further improve image quality and with Nano Surface Coating technology, the LUMIX ZS20 offers stunning image clarity with minimized ghosting and flare. 

Beyond the quality of its lens, the LUMIX ZS20 integrates an enhanced built-in GPS*2 functionality, making it easy for users to pinpoint locations where photos were taken and share with family and friends on internet maps.  Map data can be installed onto the LUMIX ZS20 via a bundled DVD, giving the camera detailed worldwide maps of major regions on a scale of 1/25,000 or more precise.  A user can copy the map data of a designated city to an SDXC/SDHC/SD Memory Card and get quick geographic information to know their location and if any landmarks are located nearby. More than one million landmarks and 82 countries/regions are covered in the bundled DVD map.  Geo-tagged images are automatically sorted and can be played back along a map so that users can literally trace their photographic journey.  Many GPS cameras show only the latitude and longitude of where a photo is taken, but the LUMIX ZS20 shows the name of the Country/Region, State/Prov./County, County/Township, City/Town/Village and Landmark – all of which is saved in the EXIF data. 

“Panasonic has long been the leader in developing compact digital cameras with long zooms and wide-angle lenses and with the introduction of the LUMIX ZS20, we continue to be in the forefront with an extremely versatile digital camera that meets the needs of all different types of photographers,” said David Briganti, Senior Product Manager, Imaging, Panasonic Consumer Marketing Company of North America. “With an impressive 20x optical zoom and 24mm wide-angle lens, the ZS20 gives consumer the ability to capture a variety of different shots, all while carrying a digital camera that is slim enough to slip in a pocket or small purse.  Plus with Panasonic’s HD video recording capability and improved GPS functionality, the ZS20 is an excellent choice for consumers who want to fully capture the details of their memories.”

Featuring a newly developed 14.1-megapixel High Sensitivity MOS sensor, the LUMIX ZS20 is able to provide even higher image quality compared to its predecessors.  Coupled with the advanced image processor Venus Engine, the LUMIX ZS20 features high speed, high sensitivity image recording.  High speed burst shooting at 10 fps in full resolution and Light Speed AF allows users to capture even the most fleeting photo opportunities.

With the ability to record high-resolution, full-HD 1,920 x 1,080 60p videos in AVCHD Progressive (MPEG-4) format (or 30p in MP4)*3, the LUMIX ZS20 upgrades its full-HD recording capability and is able to produce extremely clear video details, even when subjects are moving quickly.  A powerful 20x optical zoom with 2-step Zoom function is available in video recording and the popular iA mode assists users, making video recording as easy as aiming the camera.  A stereo zoom microphone provides videos with the high-quality stereo sound of Dolby® Digital Stereo Creator, offering highly realistic sound in the captured video.  The Auto Wind Cut function helps to block out wind background noise making voices clearer, and mechanical noise caused by zooming is suppressed to improve overall video sound quality. 

In addition, the ZS20 has manual control options, allowing the user to adjust shutter speed and aperture, and 3D Photo Mode, the LUMIX ZS20 also features a variety of special effects that add fun to a photography shooting experience.  Creative Control mode offers a selection of artistic effects including Expressive Retro, High Dynamic, Sepia, Dynamic Monochrome, High Key, Low Key, Miniature Effect, Toy Effect and Soft Focus.  In Miniature Effect mode, the peripherals are defocused while saturation and contrast are emphasized to make the picture look like a diorama.  Video recorded in this mode is played back in 10x fast-forwarding, making it comical to watch*4.  Panorama mode makes it possible for users to shoot 360-degree horizontal or vertical panoramic images by taking consecutive shots and then overlay it for the effect of a panoramic photo.  Creative Retouch mode offers users six filters – Toy Effect, Soft Focus, Dynamic Monochrome, Expressive, High Key and Retro – to create artistic looking photos.  Additionally, the Auto Retouch function automatically adjusts contrast and brightness for a clearer, more natural image and can be applied with the simple press of a button. 

For users looking for a more intuitive photo experience, the LUMIX ZS20 features iA (Intelligent Auto) mode, which automatically activates a range of technologies to enhance photos without adjusting settings every time conditions change.  The new HDR (High Dynamic Range) together with POWER O.I.S. with Active Mode, which suppresses blur from hand-shake, AF Tracking, Intelligent ISO Control, Face Recognition, Intelligent Scene Selector, Intelligent Handheld Nightshot, Motion Deblur mode, Intelligent Burst mode and Intelligent Exposure allows users to point and shoot, leaving the camera to do all the work in capturing beautiful imagery. 

Additional features and functionalities of the LUMIX ZS20 include:

  • Large, 3.0-inch 460,000-dot Smart Touch LCD Screen
  • Touch AF, Touch Zoom or Touch Shutter during recording and various playback functions like scrolling the map with high visibility.
  • Flexibility of USB charging or conventional AC adapter charging methods.
  • LUMIX Image Uploader for seamless and instant sharing via Facebook or YouTube. Users can checkmark the photo or video files they want to share, connect it to a PC with the included USB cable or by inserting the SD Memory Card directly into the PC’s SD Card slot, and then the uploading automatically launches with an easy-to-follow menu option. 

Also introduced today, the LUMIX DMC-ZS15 features a versatile 24mm ultra-wide angle and powerful 16x optical zoom LEICA DC VARIO-ELMAR lens (24-383mm on 35mm camera equivalent) with 32x Intelligent Zoom. Other features include:

  • 12.1-megapixel High Sensitivity MOS Sensor
  • Full HD Video Recording in 60i AVCHD*5 and 30p in MP4
  • Monaural Microphone
  • Large, 3.0-inch 460,000-dot Intelligent LCD

The LUMIX ZS20 and ZS15 will be available in March 2012 for a suggested retail price of $349.99 and $279.99 respectively.  The LUMIX ZS20 will be available in black, red, white, and silver options; while the LUMIX ZS15 will be available in black and silver. For more on these Panasonic LUMIX models, please visit www.panasonic.com/lumix.

*1 As of January 31, 2012
*2 GPS may not work in China or in the border regions of countries neighboring China
*2 Depending on the locations, it may not be possible to correctly receive the  signals from GPS satellites.  In such cases, positioning may not be possible, or significant positioning discrepancy may occur. 
*3 Maximum time to record motion pictures continuously with [AVCHD] is 29 minutes 59 seconds. (excluding when [GS] or [SH] is set)
*3 Motion pictures in [MP4] can be recorded continuously for up to 29 minutes 59 seconds. Also, motion picture recorded continuously in [MP4] is up to 4 GB.
*4 Sound will not be recorded with Miniature Effect and approximately 1/10 of the time period is recorded (If you record for 10 minutes, the resulting motion picture recording will be approximately 1 minute long).
*5 Sensor output is 30p

Panasonic DMC-ZS20 (DMC-TZ30) and DMC-ZS15 (DMC-TZ25) specifications

 Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS20 (Lumix DMC-TZ30)Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS15 (Lumix DMC-TZ25)
Body type
Body typeCompact
Sensor
Max resolution4320 x 32404000 x 3000
Other resolutions4320 x 3240, 4320 x 2880, 4320 x 2432, 3648 x 2736, 3648 x 2432, 3648 x 2056, 3232 x 3232,3072 x 2048, 3072 x 2304, 3072 x 1728, 2736 x 2736, 2560 x 1920, 2560 x 1712, 2560 x 1440, 2304 x 2304, 2048 x 1536, 2048 x 1360, 1920 x 1920, 1920 x 1080, 1536 x 1536, 640 x 480, 640 x 424, 640 x 360, 480 x 480 4000 x 3000, 4000 x 2672, 4000 x 2248, 2992 x 2992, 2816 x 2112, 2816 x 1880, 2816 x 1584, 2112 x 2112, 2048 x 1536, 2048 x 1360, 1920 x 1080, 1600 x 1200, 1600 x 1064, 1600 x 904, 1504 x 1504
Image ratio w:h1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels14 megapixels12 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors15 megapixels13 megapixels
Sensor size1/2.33" (6.08 x 4.56 mm)1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
Image
ISOAuto, Hi Auto (1600-6400), 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600. 3200
White balance presets4
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationOptical
Uncompressed formatNo
JPEG quality levelsFine, Standard
File format
  • JPEG (Exif v2.3)
  • 3D: MPO
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)24–480 mm24–384 mm
Optical zoom20×16×
Maximum apertureF3.3 - F6.4F3.3 - F5.9
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Tracking
  • Continuous
  • Touch
  • Live View
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Tracking
  • Continuous
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (4x)
Manual focusNo
Normal focus range50 cm (19.69)
Macro focus range3 cm (1.18)
Number of focus points23
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots460,000
Touch screenYesNo
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed15 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/2000 sec1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program
  • Aperture Priority
  • Shutter Priority
  • Manual
  • Custom
  • 3D
Scene modes
  • Portrait
  • Soft Skin
  • Scenery
  • Panorama Shot
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Night Scenery
  • Hand Held Night Shot
  • HDR
  • Food
  • Baby1
  • Baby2
  • Pet
  • Sunset
  • High Sensitivity
  • Glass Through
  • Underwater
  • High Speed Video
  • Portrait
  • Soft Skin
  • Scenery
  • Panorama Shot
  • Sports
  • Night Portrait
  • Night Scenery
  • Hand Held Night Shot
  • HDR
  • Food
  • Baby1
  • Baby2
  • Pet
  • Sunset
  • High Sensitivity
  • Glass Through
  • Underwater
Built-in flashYes
Flash range6.40 m
External flashNo
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Slow Syncro
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self-timer
Continuous drive10 fps2 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±2 (at 1/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±1 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1 EV steps)
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (60 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (220 fps)1920 x 1080 (60 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, AVCHD
MicrophoneStereoMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC, Internal
Storage included12MB internal70 MB internal
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
Remote controlNo
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)260
Weight (inc. batteries)206 g (0.45 lb / 7.27 oz)208 g (0.46 lb / 7.34 oz)
Dimensions105 x 59 x 28 mm (4.13 x 2.32 x 1.1)105 x 58 x 33 mm (4.13 x 2.28 x 1.3)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingNo
GPSBuiltInNone

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Comments

Total comments: 78
Markomuel
By Markomuel (Apr 12, 2012)

I too have the ZS3 and from pictures I've seen this 20x zoom baby may just have the same or even better IQ. If so than I can’t wait to update for all the new features including the impressive zoom, great burst speed, ultra-fast focusing, great low light capability, AVCHD format, 1080p 30 in MP4 format, GPS, and the list goes on. No, the shutter doesn’t stay open for 60 seconds, it’s a travel zoom. I don’t want to carry a tripod when I don’t take my Rebel. If 20x zoom is not important than definitely get the Canon S100 for the F2.0 and larger sensor. You can't compare this thing with bigger cameras!

The ZS20 is obviously designed to be the smallest with the most.

The ZS3 is about as big as I want to carry on my belt. The ZS-20 is substantially thinner by 5mm!! (Same as the S-100). That, and hopefully a decent IQ, is what will sell it. Images I've seen are good but I’ll need to take my own before I can judge if this is the one that will replace my ZS3.

0 upvotes
Mike Wrob
By Mike Wrob (Aug 24, 2012)

Although they look the same size on paper, the S100 is significantly smaller than the zs20 when you see them side by side.

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systemBuilder
By systemBuilder (Feb 5, 2012)

I am glad that both cameras now have AVCHD. The AVCHD (MP4) format is absolutely essential, in my book, I don't want to manage gigantic low-quality MPEG-2 files any more. It's also nice that both cameras have all the manual modes. The GPS is a "nice to have" feature if you travel all the time, but since the great recession, many of us DO NOT travel all the time any more. It's also nice if you like to upload to flickr and plot the photo location (HEY PANA! Consider 802.11 wireless uploading to flickr to go with the GPS camera !!!) - Panasonic user since 1971, age 9. RF-1461 transistor radio, i.e. http://www.rgbent.com/Panasonic1971ACDC.JPG

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Macist
By Macist (Feb 4, 2012)

Wow! Panasonic has the best GPS implementation of any compact zoom manufacturer I know. With the addition of HDR, this camera is hard to beat.

It will be my new travel compact :)

2 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Feb 2, 2012)

It is really impressive how small these superzoom cameras have become. I know they call them "travel zooms" but any camera with a 20X zoom range seems to fit in the Superzoom category better. I know my FZ20 and FZ30 superzooms only had a 12X zoom ratio.

It's really hard to imagine getting more features than this at this price. For anyone who just wants to take snapshots, and wants an incredible zoom range, convenience, and versatility in a camera, then these Panasonics are hard to beat. And now they even have HD video and GPS!

1 upvote
Saturazzi
By Saturazzi (Feb 1, 2012)

Why is the simpler ZS15 better in some aspects compared to the more advanced ZS20? ZS20 offers 1/2000~15 seconds exposure times, ZS15 offers 1/4000~60 seconds. ZS20 has 12 MB internal memory, ZS15 has 70 MB. And none have time lapse, which the rugged TS4 offers.

And why can’t dpreview clarify p and i (progressive and interlace) in the video resolution specs? There is a substantial difference between 1920x1080/60i and 1920x1080/60p!

3 upvotes
Antal J
By Antal J (Feb 2, 2012)

I would not say that ZS15 is better than ZS20. They are simply different. Those differences you mentioned just marginal (at least for me).
However there is substantial difference between 1080p and 1080i
videos. If you need good quality video then go with the 1080p.

If the ZS20 has about the same IQ than of the ZS3 (which I have) then I will buy it just for its better video quality.

0 upvotes
Saturazzi
By Saturazzi (Feb 2, 2012)

I love to take night photos and know there is a huge difference between 15 and 60 seconds exposure times. I checked all eight Panasonic ZS-cameras in dpreview. All of them offer 60 seconds exposure times except SZ20, which only has max 15 seconds.

I'm just completely unable to understand why, and really hope Panasonic will fix this in a firmware update before I buy it. Then, this would really be the ultimate top compact travel camera for 2012 (OK, it would still be missing the compass, barometer/altimeter and time lapse from Lumix TS4, and the GPS-altimeter from Sony’s HX series travel compacts.)

1 upvote
Antal J
By Antal J (Feb 6, 2012)

Under what circumstances would you take a photo with 60 sec exposure time? I would never. Look at this night scene photo:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_fz150-assets/nightshot.jpg (ISO=100) exp. time is 8 sec!

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Saturazzi
By Saturazzi (Feb 27, 2012)

The photo in your link is illuminated with thousands of light bulbs. When you take nature landscape photos during night, only illuminated by the moon, or perhaps just star light, even 60 second exposure time, plus high ISO, may be insufficient.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (Feb 1, 2012)

I hope they have better IQ than the ZS7 which I have. Mine is an excellent camera ( for a compact ), but for really clean images I can only shoot at ISO 200!

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Antal J
By Antal J (Feb 1, 2012)

"The 14.1-megapixel High Sensitivity MOS sensor is newly developed for the DMC-ZS20(TZ30) for even higher image quality. This boasts better S/N ratio compared with the 14.1-megapixel MOS sensor in the DMC-ZS10(TZ20). Together with the performance of the Venus Engine, quality of image shot in low-lit situations is dramatically improved reducing the noise to its half level"

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/zs20_tz30/image_quality.html

1 upvote
ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Feb 1, 2012)

To be better than ZS10's sensor does not mean to be good thought

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Antal J
By Antal J (Feb 6, 2012)

No, not at all.

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offroad
By offroad (Feb 1, 2012)

My wife has a ZS7 and I use it in a housing when we are diving. Can't believe they still have a stupid record/play switch on these camera's. Why not a play button and tapping the shutter gets you back to record?

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Glenn72
By Glenn72 (Feb 1, 2012)

Quick question. Any idea if the manual exposure will work when shooting video too?

They don't say what the AVCHD bitrate is either. 24mbps I would guess?

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Jan 31, 2012)

Sensors sizes
ZS20 1/2.33" (6.08 x 4.56 mm) - Panasonic's small sensors usual size as on FZ100 etc
ZS15 1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm) - an unusual size for Panasonic seen only on FZ150
I bet that ZS15 will have better IQ than ZS20 !!!

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kkardster
By kkardster (Jan 31, 2012)

The ZS15 likely gets the FZ150 sensor while the ZS20 probably sees the new high-sensitivity/high-image-quality Panasonic CMOS sensor that was due to go into production in December.

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Jan 31, 2012)

Why would Panasonic change the sensor size for FZ150 that would cost them some money duo to changes in fabrication of sensors but then come back to the usual size for ZS20?
so I think that FZ150 uses Sony CMOS so as ZS15 will wile the ZS20 will have panasonic sensor and I suspect that sony is ahead in small cmos sensors than pana so ZS15 will have better IQ than ZS20 IMHO

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

"I bet that ZS15 will have better IQ than ZS20 !!!"

As was the case with the prev. generation too (ZS8/TZ18).

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ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Jan 31, 2012)

that was the gap between pana's CMOS and CCD technology(in favor of CCD) but here both of them have cmos so if there is an difference in favor of ZS15 then my thesis can be wright

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Steve oliphant
By Steve oliphant (Jan 31, 2012)

These are great cameras the contrast and sharpness is outstanding .what a perfect travel camera ,they make very good stuff I sell them at our store and every body loves them even when the get bad pess do to not paying off the review sites,you can,t beat the Leica lens.

1 upvote
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

Are you probably working for Pana? ;-)

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Sjakie1956
By Sjakie1956 (Feb 1, 2012)

I don't work for Panasonic, I'm a professional photographer and I like them as well. Great cameras, great pictures, only you do have to know how to take a good picture. And that's where the problem is, people who can't take good pictures blame it on the camera.

1 upvote
ARTASHES
By ARTASHES (Feb 1, 2012)

Bad colors

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DuncanDovovan
By DuncanDovovan (Jan 31, 2012)

Hopefully the new sensor is better than the last. I upgraded to a GPS model travel zoom and I wished I did not do that. The previous model hat MUCH sharper pictures than that first GPS model, although having less MP.

I really need to see the high ISO comparisons of this camera. My current TZ20 is really really bad compared to the TZ18. Smearing is already worse at ISO80 and starts to ruin the picture at ISO400 forward.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

Note that two Pana c. superzooms had GPS: the 2010 (TZ10/ZS7) and the 2011 (TZ20/ZS10; not counting in the "budget", dumbed-down TZ18/ZS8, which, thanks to the lower-MP sensors, had much better IQ than the more expensive high-end models) models. The former had better IQ than the ZS3; the latter had a ridiculously high MP and, therefore, very bad sensor. That is, "The previous model hat MUCH sharper pictures than that first GPS model, although having less MP." should have been put as "The previous model had MUCH sharper pictures than that second GPS model, although having less MP."

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DuncanDovovan
By DuncanDovovan (Feb 2, 2012)

Thanks for correcting. You are right of course.
Anyways: The big question is: How do these new models compare to the TZ20?

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Jan 31, 2012)

Two "baby" modes! One with pinkish WB, the other blue? Or do they emit music to soothe or entertain the baby while feeding or sleeping?

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Jan 31, 2012)

Hopefully the cutdown on megapixels (although minimal) will improve the noise levels. The biggest showstopper on the zs-10.

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (Jan 31, 2012)

I wanted from Lumix superzoom with:
1) sensor 4/3
2) RAW
3) LEICA lens f/2.8

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

Are you joking? What you're wanting is simply not feasible - assuming you don't want to put up with 5-10 kg of glass :)

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Jan 31, 2012)

Perhaps a G3 with a fast lens. But a long zoom lens for a m4/3 sensor would have to be big. Canon now offers an ASP-C model with a collapsible lens, but it is still a bit large.

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (Jan 31, 2012)

You're right. The weight of the lens Olympus 300 mm/2.8 (600 mm:35 mm equivalent) for Four Thirds is 3,3 kg. Then I ask if a range 14-200 f/3.5 (28-400 : 35 mm equivalent) could be affordable for a superzoom Four Thirds. If not the solution for a better quality in my opinion is Four Thirds system with interchangeable lens.

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Sekura Drops
By Sekura Drops (Jan 31, 2012)

what you call impossible has been done by canon with G1x isnt it ;) even with the sensor larger than 4/3 and take raw images too I believe and it starts with 2.8 even though then goes up to 5.9 in the tele

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

"what you call impossible has been done by canon with G1x isnt it ;) even with the sensor larger than 4/3 and take raw images too I believe and it starts with 2.8 even though then goes up to 5.9 in the tele"

But it's not a superzoom, "just" a 4x one. The OP asked for a superzoom (read: 16+ x zoom, as are these two new models) for a m43 sized (that is, large) sensor. This is what I called impossible, particularly with f/2.8 at the wide end, let alone along the entire range.

There are no 12+ (super)zooms for (m)43 / APSC. They simply aren't feasible with that large sensor sizes.

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cesaregal
By cesaregal (Jan 31, 2012)

Then Nikon looked far choosing for the 1 series a size (13,2x8,8mm) between 1/2.33 (6,08x4,56mm) and Four Thirds (17,3x13mm).
Better compromise perhaps to have a good image quality and little camera/lens size.

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Lobalobo
By Lobalobo (Jan 31, 2012)

I agree; I also wanted it to come with free $100 bills in the box. (:

Comment edited 27 seconds after posting
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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (Feb 1, 2012)

Probably at 24mm - 50mm but not superzoom!

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Sjakie1956
By Sjakie1956 (Feb 1, 2012)

You forgot: and for $ 50,-
Be realistic, this is a traveler-zoom camera, not a body builders tool.

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Sekura Drops
By Sekura Drops (Feb 1, 2012)

haha sorry i really did not notice super zoom :D anyway the combination would be ok for me 4 is super enough for me :) but i hope they can afford sth faster in the tele.

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systemBuilder
By systemBuilder (Feb 5, 2012)

I think I'd be willing to pay $50-$75 per f-stop (in low light sensitivity) to see improvements to the design of the ZS3/ZS7. And it would cost at least that much money to make the camera better.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

A ZS3 user here - it's still in my pocket when walking the twon, albeit I use the Nikon P300 most of the time and only grab the ZS3 when I need some extra reach. Haven't upgraded to the ZS7 (too little an upgrade) or the ZS10 (awful sensor). Would upgrade to the ZS20 IF...

Pana will, it seems, again shoot themselves in the leg, as they did with the ZS10. If the ZS20 contains the abysmal sensor of the FZ100, then, there will simply be no point in upgrading from the ZS3. The ZS15 isn't a good alternative either with its mono (!) mike and 16x only zoom lens (only 4x more than the ZS3).

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Antal J
By Antal J (Jan 31, 2012)

"Featuring a newly developed 14.1-megapixel High Sensitivity MOS sensor, the LUMIX ZS20 is able to provide even higher image quality compared to its predecessors."

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wakeskier
By wakeskier (Jan 31, 2012)

you're really going to discount the ZS15 solely because it has a mono mic? (not mike!) My experience with panasonic cameras I have actually preferred the sound quality of the mono mic over stereo (not that I wouldn't prefer stereo, but audio quality comes first!)
And you're complaining that it's only 4x MORE than your ZS3? hahaha sounds like you will find any reason to convince yourself not to upgrade your ZS3... btw the sensor in the ZS20 is NOT the old one from the FZ100 (you might want to get your facts straight before posting)

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StevenN
By StevenN (Jan 31, 2012)

I, too, am a ZS3 user and I carry it with me everywhere. I never updated to the newer versions because of all the complaints I read about their"new" sensors. The ZS3 takes good photos, even at ISO 400, and the video quality is pretty good, too.

Unless the ZS20 can show actual improvement in IQ and focusing speed (I have no interest in GPS), I'll stay with old faithful.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Jan 31, 2012)

wakeskier: easy tiger ... this isn't Engadget, I thought posters on DP were supposed to be a more friendly helpful bunch!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

"btw the sensor in the ZS20 is NOT the old one from the FZ100 (you might want to get your facts straight before posting)"

Yawn... everytime Pana introduces a new model, they speak of breakthrough in IQ... same happened with the TZ20/ZS10 and the FZ100. The actual results (the abysmal quality) are known and they tell a completely different story than Pana's advertising stuff.

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wakeskier
By wakeskier (Jan 31, 2012)

And how is that relevant to the sensor being mis-stated as being the same form the FZ100? Given the improvement we have seen from the FZ150 I think there's practical hope that this will be a nice improvement over the ZS10

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

"And how is that relevant to the sensor being mis-stated as being the same form the FZ100? Given the improvement we have seen from the FZ150 I think there's practical hope that this will be a nice improvement over the ZS10"

OK, you're right in that it may have a new, improved-IQ sensor and not that of the FZ100. I'm a bit skeptic towards Pana since the FZ100 / ZS10 (TZ20) flop (and let's also list the, compared to the Sony or even Canon sensors, somewhat, high ISO- and DR-wise, sub-par m4/3 sensors...) I really hope they have indeed cranked up the IQ. This is why I don't believe any superlatives they state in their ads.

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Lobalobo
By Lobalobo (Jan 31, 2012)

At least one site reports a Panasonic executive saying that IQ was the chief concern for this upgrade. I'm optimistic. Don't need the extra zoom or video improvements or fancy maps, but the focus speed and improved IQ, if it exists, will be worth the upgrade.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

"At least one site reports a Panasonic executive saying that IQ was the chief concern for this upgrade. "

No wonder - the ZS10/TZ20 was really bad and has also received very bad reviews. No wonder Pana are promising better IQ and to have learnt their lesson.

Hope they indeed got the IQ right. (I'm not holding my breath though - in sensor technology, Sony is miles ahead of them.)

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Feb 1, 2012)

I'm looking to upgrade but unfortunately you could be right. Hopefully the increased competition in the travel-zoom cameras will be enough to get Panasonic paying close attention to the IQ and making this ZS20. Perhaps even an improvement to the FZ150 sensor isn't too much to hope for? Anything less will keep me sticking with my ZS3, which I don't like to, purely because of the poor performance beyond ISO100 and lack of 1080P video, which looks a LOT sharper on my screens.

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thierry goubier
By thierry goubier (Jan 31, 2012)

From the spec, it looks like the ZS15 has the FZ150 sensor (and the ZS20 the FZ100 sensor). The ZS15 has also a faster shutter and higher max shutter time as well.

The cheapest one would end up the interesting one ?

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Antal J
By Antal J (Jan 31, 2012)

"Featuring a newly developed 14.1-megapixel High Sensitivity MOS sensor, the LUMIX ZS20 is able to provide even higher image quality compared to its predecessors."

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Jan 31, 2012)

Hopefully the ZS15 (TZ25) has the same sensor as FZ-150. Pity the optics is that slow (F3.3), given the ridiculous price.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

Show me a compact(!) superzoom with a bright lens...

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Altruisto
By Altruisto (Jan 31, 2012)

sad sad they haven't kept the 12MP sensor on the stuffed model, and sad sad it doesn't offer RAW. Not suitable for me, gonna look at fuji F770exr or Sammy WB850.

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snake_b
By snake_b (Jan 31, 2012)

With sensors stuffed with poor quality MP? No thanks.

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Altruisto
By Altruisto (Jan 31, 2012)

it seems you didn't check the DXOmark scores. The 16 mp sensor in Fuji superzooms is as good as Canon S100 sensor as regards SNR, quite an achievement. The limiting factor is the lens. I hope the new one is better.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jan 31, 2012)

ehh...might be the thinnest, but by the looks of it, it's just a title without much significant difference.

i don't mind the zoom wars. softness from extra zoom is fairly negligible since you can't really make quality prints or digital galleries from point and shoots anyway. What does bother me is how companies aren't putting larger sensors in their point and shoots. given how small the S95 is, i don't see why they can't do it. they just don't want to. also, it's about time bigger apertures were made a standard on non-travelzoom point and shoots

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gyprock
By gyprock (Jan 31, 2012)

The S95 has a zoom range of 28-105 mm equivalent. The largest range that I know of in a large sensor ( and it isn't very large at all) compact is the Nikon P7100 at 28-200 mm equivalent. It can't be done.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1018&message=30002081&changemode=1

http://www.pixiq.com/article/wheres-my-30x-zoom-slr-lens

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (Jan 31, 2012)

Oh my! The Leica guys must have gone crazy trying to make their own versions and keep up with the rate with which Panasonic renews its cameras...

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Jan 31, 2012)

The optics keep dropping in quality and the aperture gets slower to facilitate the zoom wars. It's sad, really. The TZ5 and ZS3 seem to have been the high points in this series. Shouldn't have ever sold the ZS3.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (Jan 31, 2012)

I still have my TZ5 and think it's a peach.

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angeloscy
By angeloscy (Jan 31, 2012)

I have my TZ7 (ZS3) too and thankfully I resisted selling it. Seeing these new models makes me happy :)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (Jan 31, 2012)

Well, actually, the new model is equally bright as the ZS3 through the zoom range of the latter... that is, it isn't darker.

IQ is another question, of course. The ZS3 lens is VERY sharp - much sharper on the edges and esp. the corners than a LOT of other P&S cameras I've compared it to in this regard. (E.g., the Nikon P300.)

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systemBuilder
By systemBuilder (Feb 3, 2012)

We own both the ZS3 and the ZS7. The ZS7 was our first purchase but I kept looking at the studio shots on www.imaging-resource.com and decided the ZS3 was the sharpest 1/2.33" camera in the history of the universe. It turns out you can crank down the post-processing on the ZS7 and take ZS3 photos. And, the ZS7 does better with white balance and yellow color noise suppression. The ZS7 is imho the best travel zoom the market has seen so far. I hope that ONE of these cameras can beat it.

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GrandmaKathy
By GrandmaKathy (Jan 23, 2013)

I'm trying to decide if I should buy the ZS7 or the ZS15. The things that are the most important to me are sharpness, color, indoor (low light) quality, and movie quality. If you can help on any of these subjects, I'd appreciate it!

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cheenachatze
By cheenachatze (Jan 31, 2012)

The cheaper model looks more interesting. Less pixels, less ridiculous zoom, wider range of shutter speeds. It appears to have the same sensor as the DMC-FZ150, which was very well reviewed in many publications.

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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (Jan 31, 2012)

Now that they're kind of restraining themselves on the sensors it's the lenses again. 20x zoom? I'm sure that's a great bit of glass!
Mono mic on the small camera but 1080 video? Strange choice.
Sony positively surprised me with last year's HX-7v, let's see if these are a surprise too, but I doubt it.

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systemBuilder
By systemBuilder (Feb 3, 2012)

Frankly, the ZS8 had poor sharpness compared to the ZS3 and ZS7. The problem wasn't the sensor (CCD on ZS8), it's the sharpness, stupid. The ZS10/ZS15 will be no better, as I suspect the lens will be the same. The ZS20, with an even longer lens - how can it possibly be sharper?

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 31, 2012)

Just another cam, that couldn't. Barbie will be happy.

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spoorthy
By spoorthy (Jan 31, 2012)

hopefully all of these norma,l same as last yearcamras mean that com[anys are spending more money in the dslr segment

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Sactojim
By Sactojim (Jan 31, 2012)

At $349., it's priced a bit high, especially compared to the competition: Canon SX230HS and the Nikon S9100 at the $200. mark. Granted the Panny has GPS (does not interest me), but it has a lower resolution LCD at 460k vs Nikon at 920k, which by the way, really makes a difference in bright sun. Looks to be a very nice camera, but nothing out of the ordinary.

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Kevin Coppalotti
By Kevin Coppalotti (Jan 31, 2012)

Another day, another pinhead sensor, where are they keeping the good stuff? out the back of the store?

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IcyVeins
By IcyVeins (Jan 31, 2012)

Yawn. Nothing new here. Move right along

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Lofi
By Lofi (Jan 31, 2012)

Sounds nice. I hope there'll be a review soon.

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