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Fujifilm says leaked lens roadmap is a 'close estimate,' more models to follow

By dpreview staff on Jan 10, 2012 at 21:59 GMT

CES 2012: Fujifilm has said the leaked lens roadmap for the X-mount used in its X-Pro1 is close but not finalized. Fujifilm's Kayce Baker, speaking to dpreview at the CES show in Las Vegas, said the leaked roadmap was 'a close estimate' of its plans but that some decisions, such as how fast the lenses maximum apertures will be, have not yet been made. The official line remains that there will be nine lenses in the next two years. Meanwhile, in an interview with Amateur Photographer magazine, Fujifilm Digital Imaging director Adrian Clarke has said the X-Pro1 will be part of a range of X-mount cameras. [Updated: video walkthrough of X-Pro1 added]


Rumored lens roadmap:

(To supplement the 18mm F2.0, 35mm F1.4 and 60mm F2.4 Macro already announced)

2012:

  • 14mm f/2.8
  • 18-72mm f/4.0 with Image Stabilization

2013:

  • 28mm f/2.8 pancake
  • 23mm f/2.0
  • 72-200mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization
  • 12-24mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization

Fujifilm X-Pro1 walkthrough with Kayce Baker

Comments

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loyaldavis
By loyaldavis (Apr 6, 2012)

Most of Fujifilm's cameras seem to me to be on the lower end. Just checking google shopping for any Fujifilm cameras and they all seem to by under or around $500. Currently I have a Leica M6 and a Contax G2. I have been waiting for a digital rangefinder like this and the specs are impressive. I held one yesterday and it is very lightweight and handles very nicely. My concern/question is, given the lower end reputation (IMO no offense intended and I am often wrong) will this camera, or maybe not so much the camera, but the lenses hold their value? With an entry price of $2300 for the body and one lens this is a concern.

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inteliboy
By inteliboy (Apr 15, 2012)

Fuji also have built some very high end medium format cameras & lenses + precision medical optics.

I wouldn't in any way be worried about Fuji as a brand - they are one of the best.

With the XF lenses being a new system, no one really knows if they'll hold their value. My guess is yes, and this is a system that will be around for decades to come. If you do have concerns, and don't need AF, maybe grab an adaptor and invest in m lenses.

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Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (Apr 20, 2012)

I own a M9, 5 LEica lenses and now the X Pro 1. I was lucky and purchased 4 Leica ASPH LUX lenses before th rpice went shy high. I actually MADE MONEY on these but would never sell. The Fuji lenses will not fair as well. The image quality on the Fuji is outstanding, even compared to the Leica

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Jun 5, 2012)

Fuji was known for high end medium format cameras throughout the 80's, and to my knowledge they did the manufacturing for Hasselblad on many of their products.

Like anything you buy....the XPro-1 will be a depreciating asset the second you buy it, only Leica seems to be able to find fools (like me) to pay more for used gear than they originally sold it for new.

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fberns
By fberns (Apr 5, 2012)

The lens lineup - telling from the numbers - looks very good. Quality lenses, reasonably fast and in nice steps.
Except: I have to agree about the 12-24mm. The IS has to be an error, I think.

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bradleyg5
By bradleyg5 (Feb 6, 2012)

That makes no sense, why would a 12-24mm need IS? motion blur from people moving would be a problem before hand shake would be at that focal length. If they make that, it's going to be like 2 grand, I mean what, it's going to have to come with a view finder as well. These ultra zooms manufactures are releasing are too expensive, you gotta keep it under a thousand dollars. It's not a luxury lens it's a necessary part of the kit.

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JoshKline
By JoshKline (Mar 12, 2012)

It only makes sense for landscape or things that don't move. If the price premium for IS is more than a couple hundred dollars I agree.

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AlbertFleurman
By AlbertFleurman (Jan 16, 2012)

This looks a great camera. Something I've been waiting for for several years. What would appeal to me is a Contax G legacy mount. Can you imagine this coupled with a black Zeiss Planar Contax G 45mm?? Portrait perfection. My XPro1 + standard lens now on order - although I guess there may be a wait to couple the old Contax G lenses.

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JoshKline
By JoshKline (Mar 12, 2012)

How would the lens focus? I have Contax G lenses, they focus through a special screw on the camera body.

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max metz
By max metz (Jan 14, 2012)

Saint Peter said, “I see you gave a kidney to a dying child, gave lifelong 70% of your small salary to the starving and it says here you love photography… give this man a Fujifilm X-Pro Kit, welcome to heaven mate.” :D

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healer81
By healer81 (Jan 14, 2012)

Temping Camera but I expect the controls not as good as Canon or Nikon DSLR. The advantage is the size and weight. Also with fewer lens options doing damage on your wallet is more difficult than the DSLRs. Would like to see the reviews but definitely interested in this camera. Some people complain about the price but i would say its fairly reasonable given the sensor size.

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cristof974
By cristof974 (Jan 13, 2012)

DEAR FUJI, there is too many chromatic aberrations with the 18 mm !
...... http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_pro1/sample_images/

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mr moonlight
By mr moonlight (Jan 13, 2012)

It doesn't look so bad to me and you also have to realize that these images are not from production models so the actual image quality will be a little different.

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zos xavius
By zos xavius (Jan 15, 2012)

Look at the star picture. Chromatic abberrations everywhere! It gets really bad at the edge of the frame. You can fix some of that in software, but if you ask me that's cheating, and everything has its limits. I understand that with certain lens designs its almost unavoidable, but that's really uncontrolled IMO. The person that responded is right though...these are all preproduction, so they will likely fix that on the correction side of the lens in the software. Well, at least you have the option of changing lenses with this system....and its aps-c and uses a small flange, so you could probably get some nice adapters and throw some lovely pentax primes on it and your off to the races. See, that's the beauty of aps and interchangeable lenses. Lots of options potentially.

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cristof974
By cristof974 (Jan 13, 2012)

DEAR FUJI, there is too many chromatic aberrations with the 18 mm !

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bogmol
By bogmol (Jan 12, 2012)

Hey guys, as I am really anxious to get my hands on this camera. There was a pre-release conference if i may call it like this in Romania with Fuji X Pro1. Here are few foto samples and also a short video from photographers who attended:
http://www.clubulfoto.com/fuji-x-pro-1-impresii-hands-on/ and http://www.alinpopescu.eu/blog/hands-on-samples-with-the-new-fuji-x-pro-1/

check them out.

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Jean Ulrich Brer
By Jean Ulrich Brer (Jan 12, 2012)

too bad the zooms are rather slowish, but understandable too.

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max metz
By max metz (Jan 14, 2012)

Not a big fish as long as they are sharp from the off and render evenly across the frame.

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RusVolley
By RusVolley (Jan 12, 2012)

Hey FUJI! Don't forget about fast telephoto primes! 150mm f/2

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frosti7
By frosti7 (Jan 13, 2012)

sorry buddy, that kind of lens are useless on RF type bodies, they are also hard to handle,

this is street photography, 60mm is as LONG as it should go...but i think it will go up to 90, not more

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Heru Anggono
By Heru Anggono (Jan 23, 2012)

Definitely agree with frosti7, 90mm (equivalent) upward is better suited to DSLR. I think most X1-Pro users will stick to prime lens (to keep it rather compact, inconspicuous, and fast) or short zoom, like the 18-72mm coming out later.

The 3 initial prime lenses are pretty spot on to me. Although Fuji skirted around 35mm equivalent prime so as not to cannibalize it's own X100.

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jacketpotato
By jacketpotato (Jan 12, 2012)

UWA 10-16mm for landscapes (a forumee mentioned)

28mm there are a handful of inexpensive 28m f2.8 autofocus
28mm f1.8 (as the Canon usm) is more fitting for a cameras named Pro. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.

85mm f1.4 portrait lens. Would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.

...

Panasonic have shown their concept
12-35mm F2.8 (24-70mmn f2.8) and 35-100mm F2.8 (70-200mm f2.8)

Fuji would do well to rethink their zooms (even though the larger sensor of X-P1 makes its zooms almost as a m4/3 f2.8)
12-24mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization
18-72mm f/4.0 with Image Stabilization
72-200mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization

To fit the Pro name, zooms would do well to be less range and constant f2.8.
This would make photographers sit up and another reason to buy X-Pro.

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 13, 2012)

Don`t agree. If you want constant f2.8 zoom, go for DSLR, or m4/3. Xpro is not that kind of camera... And if you want fast lens on this Fuji, go for primes.
You are mixing things that should not be mixed. This IS NOT the system that wants to have all and do everything...

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Davidgilmour
By Davidgilmour (Jan 12, 2012)

So, will we get the same firmware too on our €1.200 X100 camera. Basically we paid for the development of the Pro 1, didn't we?

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Usee
By Usee (Jan 15, 2012)

You paid for everything...
...and it is worth every penny!

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Shkolnik
By Shkolnik (Jan 12, 2012)

Hey, Fuji. Those guys you hired from the Krasnogorsk Mechanical Works? Fire them. Then go to Italy and find a designer.

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PederT
By PederT (Jan 12, 2012)

Hey Shkolnik. Just because you don't like traditional, mechanical designs doesn't mean everybody else agrees with you. I personally hate those flowing, organic lines Italian designers tend produce. I'd rather have this box than any "soap bar" design. Jus' sayin'..

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 12, 2012)

yes, because there are plenty of cameras coming from Italy

== rolleyes ==

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 12, 2012)

Well, if you follow FUJI through history, you`ll see that this design is tipical for them. Even long-long ago produced ST series of SLR`s (ST-801, -901, -701) had lenses near cameras centerline, for instance. And FUJI`s medium format cameras (6x9 and 6x7) looked much like this new one.
So no KMW here, in my opinion.

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keepreal
By keepreal (Jan 12, 2012)

At www.youtube.com/user/fujiguys/feed there are three very detailed videos from Fuji. The first gives a 19 minute leisurely but highly informative account and the other two lower down that page "Fuji Guys - Fujifilm X-Pro1 - Hands-on Preview (1/2) and (2/2) possibly cover some more. (Not yet watched.)

Did you know that Fuji are behind many Hasselblad cameras and make some of the lenses? That says a lot.

A couple of days ago I said the X-Pro1 was too expensive as a second camera to a DSLR like my Nikon D300 plus 3 zoom lenses but now I am beginning to think in time I might even decide on it as the replacement. I love my D300 with the Sigma 12-24mm lens but when the Fuji 15mm f/2.8 comes out, perhaps later in 2012, I may have to reconsider. The bulk and the weight are far too great for my liking and a far more compact alternative which equals or surpasses it in quality has to be seriously considered. But I will not rush into it as there will be a huge loss selling what I already have.

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Uaru
By Uaru (Jan 12, 2012)

Exactly my thoughts about replacement. I have D700. X100 proved to provide equal quality at the highest ISO I use. If XPro-1 keeps it (and chances are it will), I will switch. The only thing when D700 is superior is sports, but I do not do it really often...

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Haydaristan
By Haydaristan (Jan 12, 2012)

Yes Hasselblad lenses are made by Fujinon and the bodies by Fujifilm and some old medium format Hasselblads were actually Fujis with Hasselblad name on it.
I am still impressed by the nice colors Fujifilm has and the nice sensors and because of that I still use a very old bridge camera from Fuji as well. The S5 pro was a nice cam as well so I think the new mirorless will be a very good camera.I'll always stick to Fujifilm.

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nicola
By nicola (Jan 12, 2012)

If Fuji planned this camera with those wanne-be-a-leicaM9-owner-but-cannot-justify-its-price in mind, then IMO they missed the point completely.

I for one fall in that category of wannabe camera owners. And I am totally disappointed by the X-Pro1 for one thing: its sensor size.

Had Fuji provided a full frame 35mm equivalent body I would be sold immediately.

Why? Because of DOF!

So, here we are, still waiting for Godot (i.e. digital Contax G2).

I come in peace!

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draschan
By draschan (Jan 12, 2012)

yes. I am also hoping for a FF mirrorless. meanwhile I am happy with my cheap, small and versatile pana G3 and the 20mm pana, 25mm, 45 oly and 14mm pana. Leica does in my opinion hardly justify the price for the body. I'd prefer any medium format for that price (and yes, I'm dreaming of mirrorless medium format)

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dgblackout
By dgblackout (Jan 12, 2012)

For the kind of shooting I did on my G1 this replaces it completely. I'll be looking forward to having a play with it when it's out so I can decide if it's for me or not though.

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Jan 12, 2012)

$2,400?

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

from linked article below:

" 1/3 stop increments on the aperture is a nice addition but the focus-by-wire system still leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. You just feel so disconnected from the camera when you use it in that way."

http://www.prophotocoalition.com/index.php/dcarr/story/hands_on_impressions_of_the_fuji_x-pro_1

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mschf
By mschf (Jan 11, 2012)

Dear Fuji, please make a tilting LCD variant of this beaut and I'm sold.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

Probably not. This camera is aimed at more traditional shooters, along the lines of someone who longs for a Leica M8/M9. That's probably why it has no articulating LCD, and will probably never get one. I think the design of these Fuji cameras are driven as much by aesthetic and thematic considerations (ie, these are retro-themed cameras) as they are by functional considerations, if not more so. Putting in conveniences like an articulating screen might be straying a bit too far from that theme and compromise the old-school rangefinder looks that Fuji have clearly put a lot of importance in.

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brooklun
By brooklun (Jan 11, 2012)

I think tilting/flipping LCD's on cameras look gimmicky unless you're mostly using it for video.

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mschf
By mschf (Jan 11, 2012)

I understand the argument for wanting to appeal to traditionalists but also think having the convenience of being able to compose at WL doesn't stray too far from this idea except for strictly in rangefinder terms. A wee bit of digital evolution couldn't hurt (the hybrid VF already is a departure from the RF "standard") ;)

I fail to see how a tilting LCD looks like a video lovers' gimmick though...

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Paul Treacy
By Paul Treacy (Jan 12, 2012)

Why? That would make the thing too big. This camera is all about the viewfinder, after all.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 12, 2012)

"Why? That would make the thing too big."

My point exactly. And there's no movie record button! Hurray! They usually place them somewhere near shutter release or on/off switch and I always press them. I just don't want to use my camera to make any movies. Finally someone understood that still camera is made for stills. I mean there is an option but somewhere in the menu... if you must....

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 12, 2012)

I like artuculated LCD, but I am not sure if it is necessary here.
I would rather like a black-and-white sensor (sensor without bayer filter array overlayed) camera body. For real BW photography.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Jan 11, 2012)

The lack of IBIS is disappointing.

Especially for people who like to use legacy lenses with adapters. Is it that difficult or expensive to put this feature on a camera?

Even the cheapest Olympus Pen has it.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 11, 2012)

It would be a courtesy to us readers if you could have spelled the acronym IBIS out. After some searching I found that it was In Body Image Stabilisation, something not regularly used, but rather invented by some posters here at DPReview. If I got that right.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

That might be a nod to the "traditionalist" retro shooter that this camera is aimed at. After all, the Leica M8/M9 don't have in-body IS either. And it looks like this Fuji is going for that type of customer. All these cameras have their quirks. No in-body IS is just a "quirk" of this camera. I kind of doubt Fuji will even put any IS in any of their lenses for this camera either. This may very well be a no-IS camera system. That may seen weird in today's world, but it seems in keeping with Fuji's market for this camera.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

"It would be a courtesy to us readers if you could have spelled the acronym IBIS out. After some searching I found that it was In Body Image Stabilisation, something not regularly used, but rather invented by some posters here at DPReview."

100% agreed on that, Roland. "Ibis" is actually a French hotel chain, so like you at first look I had no clue what Marty4650 was talking about.

I am sure the lenses will be image stabilized optically, however. But some people will get mad at every little nitpick.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

Just noticed Fuji has IS lenses in the works. That'll have to do. Better than nothing! You'll just have to go old-school with your legacy lenses. Just pretend like you're shooting with them like you did in the film days before IS.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 12, 2012)

Come on! There are fast primes. People have been using such lenses on film for decades without any IS and that's when ISO 3200 was unheard of.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Jan 12, 2012)

Given the high iso capabilities of this camera, IBIS would be of limited usefulness when using short prime lenses with a fast aperture - like the ones Fuji are producing.

Just open up the lens aperture and/or increase the iso.

Or are you someone with shaky hands taking pictures of black cats in an unlit coal mine?

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HeezDeadJim
By HeezDeadJim (Jan 12, 2012)

"aimed at traditionalists", because the M9 doesn't have a IBIS or lens-IS?

Fuji already broke the true traditionalist with the hybrid OVF/EVF (plus not being a real RF). I don't see it too much deviation that they've already made to have lenses offer IS. They could maybe offer certain lenses with or without the IS like Canikon does with similar with their 70-200 f/X.x with IS or non-IS and comparative prices.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 12, 2012)

According to the leaked lens roadmap (which has got a slight nod from Fuji) only two lenses will have IS, the two zooms. No IS in any prime.

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tulo
By tulo (Jan 11, 2012)

why cant someone just give us the details on how the viewfinder and MF differs from the X100 and we'll all know for sure if this is something to even bother with...?

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 12, 2012)

"I'm sure Fuji will be adding to this system..."
But you do not invest in anything just hoping that something nice will happen... But for me, this is REALLY nice camera and system, even without WA lens. (But should really miss one ;))

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Louis_Dobson
By Louis_Dobson (Jan 11, 2012)

Great camera, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if the roadmap showed a proper wide, a 10-18, or in EFL terms a 14-24, like my Nikkor or Zuiko.

It's a natural landscape camera, but landscapers need a real UWA, not the projected 18-36 equivalent.

Come on Fuji, you so nearly have this right!

Thread here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=40292526

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

Fujifilm will definitely miss you, Louis.

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day." Patience. I'm sure Fuji will be adding to this system for years to come.

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 12, 2012)

No, this is not a natural landscape camera, but more likely a street camera. But interpretion is individual.
And yes, it is not the only system missing a good WA lens. I would prefere a compact prime at 10-14mm (f2,8 would be enough) rather than heavy UWA zoom.

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Don Paluh
By Don Paluh (Jan 11, 2012)

I am excited to see this. I loved my Fuji S3 and S5 bodies. The image quality was amazing for the era. Of the few complaints I had, most could be attributed to the low-end Nikon bodies they were based on: slow auto-focus, non-ruggedized bodies, crop factor, to name a few.

I always thought it was a shame that they based their system on that of another camera maker (nothing against Nikon), since Fuji makes some excellent lenses for professional video cameras and large-format view cameras. So it's not like they don't have the optical technology: in fact they have some of the best.

I also like that they have tried different sensor technologies over the years. And now they can cash in on all that and bring out a new system. I'll bet the first body is great, and then they will get better.

As the sensor technology advances, we can have high-quality images from a sensor that is a little smaller than full-frame: yet still up there. I think they made a good call on the sensor size. I'm happy!

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

This may be the year when Fujifilm-Sony-Panasonic and a few others will be sinking the "SS CANIKON" mother ship for good. Canon particularly seems like a 10,000 pound beached whale, poor thing cannot move.

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corbus
By corbus (Jan 11, 2012)

No doubt!!

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Jan 11, 2012)

Pros will continue to use Nikon and Canon. They have the lenses, durability and state of the art features that they require. The Fuji is a nice camera, but I wouldn't shoot the Super Bowl, a major outdoor fashion event or go to a war zone with this glorified point and shoot. Saying that, I would love to have one. It would be great for stitched landscapes and laid-back travel documentaries.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

These "glorified point-and-shoots," a.k.a. mirrorless interchangeable lens digital cameras will BURY the flipping mirror-type old-school DSLR soon. I don't give it more then 8 or 10 years, and there will not be a single flipping-mirror DSLR camera sold anywhere.

What will people use at the Super Bowl then, I wonder?

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jmmgarza
By jmmgarza (Jan 12, 2012)

In the not-so-distant future, if Nikon and Canon decide to stop making cameras with pentaprisms, they will still have great lenses to mount on their "mirrorless" versions. One thing about a pentaprism, the view isn't obfuscated by a pixel representation. Maybe some day, Canon or Nikon will make viewing more seamless. By the way, I heard that Fuji plans to sell the body for about $2,400. Is that true?

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CFynn
By CFynn (Jan 12, 2012)

@jmmgarza
The body will apparently be priced at around $1,700, or less, and the announced prime lenses at around $600 each. Not cheap I know, but much less than you suggest. I expect the prices will come down a little after a few months too.

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HeezDeadJim
By HeezDeadJim (Jan 12, 2012)

Just like the back of the LCD to view your photos after you take your shot on your favorite DSLR (heaven forbid you use it for "LiveView"), the LCD has evolved a lot since the first DSLRs. They now are bigger and pack more resolution for better accuracy about checking focus, sharpness, DOF and noise.

I can attest to this since my Rebel XT was a 1.8" 640x480 LCD w/out pixels both horizontally AND vertically aligned. So horizontal straight lines were zig-zagged. I came home to so many out of focus photos because, even zoomed in, I still couldn't tell proper focus with that LCD. That all changed with my current 7D's 3.0" 920K+ LCD.

You can bet that EVF's will have a similar evolution (already begun). Nex's have much higher rez EVF's and no doubt there will be AMOLED EVF's soon enough. And it will probably happen while Canikon still offers the same lens mounts.

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ooicl
By ooicl (Jan 11, 2012)

I wonder if we are still getting firmware upgrades for our "old" X100??

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

I'd love battery indicator fix. It's either full or it's dead :) - well you do manage to take between 15-30 shots on 'medium'.

I don't know what they could fix with FW update, respectively what's fixable via FW.

I don't think they can fix AF, but what I believe is fixable or at least changeable is 'speed' of MF. Would be nice to have some 'custom' option to set how many turns you need to make to focus on something.

It's not a problem in good light, MF - AF-L/AE-L button and fine tune if needed, but in bad light AF simply fails every single time and having no option to focus manually is bad - unless you are prepared for twist and dance game or like me trying to point camera on something what's roughly the same distance as my subject to 'catch' focus, which is not always possible/doable.

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WT21
By WT21 (Jan 11, 2012)

Why no diopter adjustment :(

Assuming good IQ and good AF, this is a near perfect offering. There must be something about the hybrid OVF that stopped the diopter.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

nope, X100 does have one. The new VF is 'rounded' and you can buy standard diopters from 3rd parties. It's the same with lack of remote, instead they use standard threaded cable release, which I bought for my X100 for £3.50 :)

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jcmarfilph
By jcmarfilph (Jan 11, 2012)

Perfect camera and roadmap. Now the next thing is to think about the right pricing for this beast coz it d@mn expensive.

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slimandy
By slimandy (Jan 11, 2012)

Looks very promising. I often wish I had a lightweight alternative to my SLR but I'm not prepared to compromise as much as I'd need to at the moment. I'm hoping this is the answer. It may at least lead to the answer in the near future. Let's hope.

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Ibida Bab
By Ibida Bab (Jan 11, 2012)

It's like a genie flew out of the bottle, and asked: "What do you want in the perfect camera?"
Fuji took the lead. It is amazing how a camera maker can turn around and become the leader in a matter of months. I just pre-ordered the XS1.

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wlachan
By wlachan (Jan 11, 2012)

Finally a digital that makes sense. Unlike Canon who just try to milk you.

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Nectar D Or
By Nectar D Or (Jan 11, 2012)

I would wait to see the prices for all these Fuji goodies before making this comment.

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Billy Alex Antonacci
By Billy Alex Antonacci (Jan 11, 2012)

I agree . Hopefully soon; maybe by the summer.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

KODAK -- down.
OLYMPUS -- really, really sick & probably sold soon.
CANON -- ??

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

"Canon -- ??"

Canon is still a very financially healthy company with lots of money. Canon is a long, long way away from financial jeopardy.

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Nectar D Or
By Nectar D Or (Jan 11, 2012)

Canon --??

You must be joking.
Canon has a huge share in the p&s market
The same for pro DSLR and lenses
Very large share in printer and office equipment

My guess is that the Rebel line will get a blow from the evolving mirrorless market, but that should not make Canon financially unstable.
Pentax, on the other hand...

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (Jan 11, 2012)

The Xpro1 looks very nice. so far. a key question is the AF. how fast can it focus moving subjects?
Nikon found a way to fast focus a mirrorless.... when will the others catch up with that?

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CriticalI
By CriticalI (Jan 11, 2012)

Interesting point. Fuji developed this sensor a while ago, and obviously at the time did not include on-sensor PDAF. I wonder over the following years how this will change.

However I could live with it - I have a Nikon J1 for action work.

Provided of course that the image quality of this new sensor measure up to the hype. So far it looks good, provided its RAW format is supported in ACR.

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rusticus
By rusticus (Jan 11, 2012)

what interested me a plastic bombers such as the Nikon V1 or J1 in comparison to the wonderful X1 Pro?

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

I kind of doubt this camera is designed to excel at fast focus tracking. It's not a sports camera by any means. More like a street and reportage shooter. If you want a camera that does fast focus tracking, this probably isn't the camera for you.

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Neodp
By Neodp (Jan 12, 2012)

Well, why the heck not? Sports ability will make or break an otherwise superior X-pro1, for me. If it doesn't, then the next great innovator knows his job!

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HeezDeadJim
By HeezDeadJim (Jan 12, 2012)

@rusticus:

"Plastic bombers" are easier to modify and make a metal rugged metal body than have to change the whole sensor completely. If Nikon did do good job of fast AF, I wouldn't doubt if Nikon puts out newer versions of the V/J with a metal body (maybe call it the NA?). I'd buy a camera if it was called the V/J/NA series (tasteless, I know).

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 12, 2012)

I c/p what T3 said. This system (including X100, X10...) is not aimed at action shooters. For street it should be fast enough, and it can do a lot more. Just great concept IMHO, and I like it is so. I hate cameras that can do whatever you can think of (even fly to the Mars for you and come back with great photos).

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wlachan
By wlachan (Jan 11, 2012)

I am in love. When can I buy the 3 prime set?

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Jack Simpson
By Jack Simpson (Jan 11, 2012)

just wait for the PK adapter and then you can use some
_*/real/*_ prime lenses ;)

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PeterTom
By PeterTom (Jan 11, 2012)

So the 60mm not-so-fast macro lens will be the longest prime...
For me 55mm/1.4 or 1.8, 85mm/1.8 or 2.0 and 100mm or 105mm/2.0 are missing in the line.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 11, 2012)

85mm f/1.8 missing indeed! I'm using it quite a lot. Concerts, theaters etc. and 60mm f/2.4 just won't replace that. They call it 'fast' but it isn't. And it isn't even on this roadmap. I'd prefer that instead of all these zooms. And why so many wide lenses? 14, 18, 23, 28, 12-24 and absolutely nothing on the long end.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

I think that Fuji nailed it with those 3 lenses - they translate to 27mm, 52mm and 90mm - so there you go, 3 fast primes for wide, normal and macro/portrait.

60mm f/2.4 is good for portraits. according to DoF calculator this should result for subject 2m away in 10cm DoF (1m results in 2cm)- that's exactly what you want for portrait, or not?

Also don't forget rounded aperture blades - this will produce really nice and creamy bokeh. Shame the sample images on Fuji's website don't have busier backgrounds to check how it performs there. Provided samples though feature really nice bokeh.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 11, 2012)

I can bet this 60mm f/2.4 will be enough for portraits but it won't work as a fast 'indoor event' tele. Have they made 85mm f/1.8 (or even this 60mm but much faster) they'd have had killed two birds with one stone.

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PeterTom
By PeterTom (Jan 11, 2012)

90mm/2.4 could be good for portraits.
My usage of fast primes is primarily for low light (available light) family/travel/street photos and candids.
And for that 2.4 is not fast enough and 60mm is not long enough.

I think that the reason to exclude (for now?) the longer lenses is the construction of the optical viewfinder, which cannot zoom in and therefore the frame projected into the viewfinder for a longer lens would be tiny.
So longer lenses may be available only on X-PRO2 (or will it be Y-PRO1a? :)

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 11, 2012)

It still has reasonably good EVF (after Sony's OLED EVF even the best ones overnight become only reasonable) that can be used with tele lenses. That's the whole beauty of this hybrid VF.

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rusticus
By rusticus (Jan 11, 2012)

I'd never seen a 85mm on a aps-c misses

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effemmemi
By effemmemi (Jan 11, 2012)

I'd buy it at once if it only had a general purpose/good quality zoom.

My point is that I would abandon a reflex with similarly sized sensor (Nikon d300 and a few fast zoom lenses) only for travelling and walking about with less and lighter stuff but preserving the flexibility. Lets wait for them....

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T3
By T3 (Jan 11, 2012)

I don't think this camera is aimed at appealing to the average zoom shooter. This is more of a traditionalist's camera. Not for action shooting, not for zoom lens shooting. And it's definitely not meant to replace DSLR gear. This camera is designed for a particular niche of shooters...the kind that want a Leica M8/M9 but can't afford one.

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mekanik
By mekanik (Jan 11, 2012)

No one seems to mention typical rangefinder's viewfinder feature that Fuji cameras share - more than 100% frame coverage. Everyone should try that at least once in their lives. There's no going back. It aids framing in the most magical way. Your composition becomes so much better when you actually see not only what you include but also what you leave out. Even now only the more expensive DSLRs offer 100% VF coverage. And the brightness and clarity in these faux rangefinder VFs of Fuji are only comparable to a FF DSLR with very fast lens attached. Something average photographer is unlikely going to ever experience. Is this worth a premium price Fuji is asking? For me it's a big YES! But there's so much more. 'Analog' controls. I mean aperture ring where it is supposed to be, on the lens! And I dig the retro looks. This is naturally individual thing. Someone complained about its size but you miss the fact that the body with 3 primes will likely be lighter than average DSLR's body alone.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

also, having manual controls (I'm looking at you NEX-7) you can clearly see your settings without the need to turn the camera on.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

Yeah, all film cameras (movie-cams) from 8mm to 65mm gauge format have the greater than 100% optical VFs. Easy to move the camera on the sly so that the mic is not hanging in the recorded picture. It's ridiculous that the digital cameras cheapened out on this must-have feature.

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shoooot
By shoooot (Jan 11, 2012)

I think it looks great.
The NEX 7 looks like something from Startrek. Old Startrek.

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brkl
By brkl (Jan 11, 2012)

You must not have seen Star Trek.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

I think he meant "Battlestar Galactica." No? "Buck Rogers in the 25 Century," perhaps?

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petepictures
By petepictures (Jan 11, 2012)

Only if it was a full frame with faster lenses I wouldn't think twice.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (Jan 11, 2012)

Leica?

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 13, 2012)

C/p Roland. Go for Leica. It is FF with fast lenses.
And Fuji with FF would probably cost as much. Would you than buy Fuji? So stop dreamin` and don`t think twice. Go for Leica right now.

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HSway
By HSway (Jan 11, 2012)

Nice cameras, great coverage from dpreview.

Thanks guys

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le_alain
By le_alain (Jan 11, 2012)

Lack a "60 to 85" f1.8 or greater 2.4 is too low for 60mm in apsc

23 f2 and 14 f2.8 are fine

and beautiful camera, with oping very good IQ

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Blindphoton
By Blindphoton (Jan 11, 2012)

Lovely camera

No one seems to have mentioned the Ricoh GXR with A12 mount. If anything's an APS Leica competitor then this baby is. The Ricoh is also a nice camera (as are the Nex's, the Nikons, the Pentaxes, Leicas etc, etc)

Also, what is it about DPR that fosters all the hubris with the weirdass-instant-expert types needing to spew their techno-babble at every opportunity??

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Etmahoa
By Etmahoa (Jan 11, 2012)

I think it looks great!
A bit like the Hexar I nerver bought.
Little worried about all the features, don´t like cameras that get´s smart whit me. Apperture, shutterspeed, selftimer and iso adjustment is all I want. Nothing else than RAW will ever be worth shooting and if I´m really drunk I´d forget about taking pictures anyway, despite the 15 different programs for this and that.

The only flashy function I´d use would be some kind of apps for the camera, like Hipstamatic and a bluetooth connection for the cellphone to share my vacations on facebook or flickr while I´m having a beer at the dinner resturant.

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cxsparc
By cxsparc (Jan 11, 2012)

Of course the real deciding factor shouldl be image quality.

But IMHOn, the design of this camera looks ugly.
Again, just my personal view, but this camera has the aesthetics of a brick. The Nex 7 in contrast looks like a design showcase while offering maximal manual controls.

Strange that there are so many companies producing cameras but each has its own shortcomings, all are far from perfect:

Leica way too expensive, lacking in terms of features & low noise performance
Sony: Availability of cameras limited, slow lens portfolio buildup
Nikon: 1s are premium compacts, don't compare. High cropfactor rules out most primes.
Canon: Same issue, no option for fast primes (fixed lens)
M43: Noisy, outdated sensors.
And Fuji: Expensive compared to same spec Nex 5n+EVF/7, large ugly body inspite of not offering fullframe (compared to same size Leica)

The rate by which new cameras arrive on market promises that the next 2 years continue to remain interesting

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

I guess you just don't like digital cameras, period. Right?

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Raymond Wardenaer
By Raymond Wardenaer (Jan 11, 2012)

Nex is ugly.
X-Pro1 is nice.
We are different, aren't we?

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MrZxy
By MrZxy (Jan 11, 2012)

The focus speed for X-pro1 is still doggy, pretty much like X100 (maybe worse)...
Check out this video (from 4:40): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ChjzvHPOq4&feature=player_embedded

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jadawgis732
By jadawgis732 (Jan 11, 2012)

He has it on macro!

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MrZxy
By MrZxy (Jan 11, 2012)

after that, he tried couple more times focusing the plants, xpro1 was struggling to get a correct focus.. it seems it has the same focus mechanism as the x100...

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

well actually it looks faster than on my X100 but definitely not on par with dSLRS. What I need to know how does MF feel. We know that it's focus by wire but is it as flawed as on X100 where it's really not usable at all or it has more realistic feel to it.

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rob78
By rob78 (Jan 11, 2012)

I’ve counted quite a few AF red boxes, and doesn’t seem to be snappy as we are hoping it be be. The UI is sexy as hell.. but I’m beginning to love the styling and overall package of my x100 more and more.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

The guy in the video did not know what he was doing. He was jerking around the camera all over the place just before it could achieve focus. If you don't give your AF a chance to autofocus, it won't.

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louis_
By louis_ (Jan 11, 2012)

Anyone also think the X100 looks much better?

The X-pro1 looks too busy at the back. The hand grip looks clunky. The slope part for the right hand figure also look unnatural (despite ergonomic benefits). If it is meant to compete with the M9, then at least make like one.

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patoth66
By patoth66 (Jan 11, 2012)

its a masterpiece!!))

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Petteri Sulonen
By Petteri Sulonen (Jan 11, 2012)

No more button lock while writing. That settles it, count me in.

Also, I have it on good authority that the NEX 7 has cooties.

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jadawgis732
By jadawgis732 (Jan 11, 2012)

Fuji Pro1X
5.5 (W) x 3.2 (H) x 1.7 (D) in

That's gargantuan? In what alternate reality can a 5 x 3 x 1.5 inch body be considered large?

Wrong on all accounts sir. 5.5 x 3.2 x 1.7, as you so clearly indicate.

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snce1980
By snce1980 (Jan 11, 2012)

Either way the form factor and size feels better in hand (compared to the M and other similar sized RFs). I have an ep2 and it feels awkward at times due to its size. I shot with a hexar rf for a number of years and that felt good in hand. Neither is pocketable so what's the big deal in size comparisons?

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snce1980
By snce1980 (Jan 11, 2012)

reading these comments really make me think that most people on here are uninformed about cameras and the only thing that's going on is pixel counting and spec comparisons. do you guys even take photographs or do you just compare camera specs all day?

FF would have been nice, but that would have driven the price up into the high 2k, low 3k range. APS-C makes it more marketable and I don't doubt this thing is going to be on backorder for quite some time. Aside from DOF, APS-C IQ has come a long way and a comparison of my 7d and 5d, the images are almost identical at iso100 even at 800. At higher ISO, yes, IQ becomes more of a problem. That's why you convert to B&W and call it fine art!

with all the mirrorless cameras on the market, the x-pro has one major thing going for it. OPTICAL VIEWFINDER - rather HYBRID VIEWFINDER. takes some getting used to, but it is excellent. way better than looking through the lcd on my ep2. will be selling that and picking this up, for sure.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

I guess that just like yourself, we feel we are also entitled to our own pixel peeping input here on DP Review. Thanks for your own pixel peeping input, however.

Also, why exactly would an optical or optical-electronic hybrid VF take time getting used to? If you have the Canon cameras that you had mentioned, you should already be used to OVFs, no?

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healer81
By healer81 (Jan 11, 2012)

nice camera, would not mind getting it but I dont see it out performing the 5D II and definitely not the 5D III should it come out this year. but then again it is small and light so im definitely considering. The video on the 5D II is unparalleled its in a league of its own at its price range.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Jan 11, 2012)

Here we go again, the "Canon 5D Mark III Fan Club." When was that established, at least 2 years ago, right? Still waiting and waiting and waiting for that one, hmmm?

Re. the 5D Mark II -- it is as ancient and arcane as Noah's Ark. Time to move right into 2012, folks.

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jan 11, 2012)

23mm (35 equivalent) should have been launched first, imho.
Wish the camera was smaller, cheaper, and had focus peaking - oh wait, that's a NEX 7.

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RDMPhotos
By RDMPhotos (Jan 11, 2012)

With Styling that is not as sexy as most other cameras and not many lenses offered when it is first released, with no lenses planned in the very near future after its released, and also let it have the only lenses released with it be quite large.. Ohh wait ....
Yea, you are right. That IS the Nex7
:D

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snce1980
By snce1980 (Jan 11, 2012)

sooo...why don't you just get a NEX 7 and stop trolling?

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jan 11, 2012)

Maybe because there is no prime E-mount native lenses. I dream of a nex-7 with the same set of lenses than the x-pro :)

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cxsparc
By cxsparc (Jan 11, 2012)

I thought there are already three e-mount primes: 24 and 30 and 50 mm coming in Feb/March??

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jan 11, 2012)

Funny how people are lauding this for the 'compact' primes, but they fail to realise that the lenses only look compact relative to the gargantuan body.

This is, for practical intents and purposes, a contrast detect rangefinder (actually even worse than that because a CDAF rangefinder would probably at least have focus peaking).

The Nex 7 is a better camera in every respect, except for its total lack of hipster appeal.

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Martin Datzinger
By Martin Datzinger (Jan 11, 2012)

Do you lot really think focus peaking is so hard to implement? If Fuji or any other camera maker wants to implement it they will!

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (Jan 11, 2012)

do people really need focus peaking? you have EVF and you can zoom-in (at least on X100 you can). I know it helps a lot to have focus peaking but I don't consider it as a must have feature. Simple focus check is more than enough for me

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Jens_G
By Jens_G (Jan 11, 2012)

focus magnification is fine if you have the time for it - focus peaking is a lot faster. Focus peaking is the only viable alternative to RF focussing, when using MF, imho.

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nemark
By nemark (Jan 13, 2012)

Announced Fuji lenses ARE compact. "Gargantuan" Fuji is only139.5x81.8x 42.6mm/450g with batt. and card, and my favorite cameras from film days Nikon FM2,FE2 and FA, those I considered compact, were (measures for FM2, one of few best SLR`s ever) were 142x90x60mm/540g. Xpro1 might look gargantuan if compaired to Lumix GX1 and NEX7, but still IT IS compact. And heaviest, 60mm lens, weights only 215g.

And worth mentioning, I am not tall person and my fists are small, so I prefere compact and lightweight cameras and lenses.

(NEX7? To much pixels with to few good lenses to match them. Else is nice.)

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