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Pentax Ricoh introduces Q10 small-sensor mirrorless camera

By dpreview staff on Sep 10, 2012 at 22:00 GMT

Photokina 2012: Pentax Ricoh has expanded its Q system with the addition of the Q10 body and adapter allowing the use of K-mount lenses. The Q10 features a slightly redesigned body and updated 12.4MP 1/2.3" back-lit CMOS sensor. Improvements include faster operation and autofocus performance, the company says. There is also a 15-45mm F2.8 fast 80-250mm equivalent telephoto zoom, the Pentax 06 Telephoto Zoom lens. There's also an adapter for mounting and manuallty focusing K-mount lenses on Q-mount bodies - where the Qs' compact-camera-sized sensors will give a roughly 5.5x crop factor, meaning a 28mm lens will give a 154mm equivalent field of view. The Q10 will cost around $700 with the 02 Standard kit zoom, with the fast zoom costing around $300 and the K-mount adapter roughly $250.

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Press Release:

PENTAX Expands the Q-system with New Q10 Digital Camera and Accessories

Super-compact, ultra-lightweight interchangeable lens camera (ILC), new Q- Mount telephoto zoom and K-Mount adapter added to the Q family of products

DENVER, CO (September 10, 2012) PENTAX RICOH IMAGING AMERICAS CORPORATION (PENTAX), today expands on the innovative Q-system with the new 12.4 megapixel PENTAX Q10 interchangeable lens camera, new Q-Mount PENTAX 06 15-45mm F2.8 telephoto zoom lens and Adapter Q for PENTAX K-mount lenses, expanding its family of compact Q series products.

The super-compact and ultra-lightweight PENTAX Q10, barely larger than a deck of cards, offers digital-SLR-quality photography for photographers of all levels. Based on the popular PENTAX Q (launched in August 2011) – the world’s smallest, lightest digital interchangeable lens camera* – the Q10 features a newly adopted CMOS image sensor and an upgraded algorithm to provide users with improved performance, including higher quality images and faster autofocus (AF) operation.

* For a digital interchangeable lens camera, as of August 31, 2012 (based on PENTAX research).

In addition, the new Q10 retains all the creative features of its predecessor – including the bokeh control function to create a defocused effect typical of an SLR camera, and the Smart Effect modes to apply various built-in filters with a simple turn of the dial – allowing photographers to easily express their creativity. While its overall exterior design closely resembles the PENTAX Q, which was designed as a miniature version of a full-scale digital SLR camera, the PENTAX Q10 provides several upgrades in its body design, such as an improved grip for a more stable hold of the camera and attractive color options.

“Not only does the new PENTAX Q10 have a tiny footprint but it packs a powerful punch when it comes to picture taking, especially when compared to any smart phone or digital point-and-shoot camera,” explains John Carlson, Sr. Manager of Sales and Marketing, PENTAX.  “With the availability of a K-Mount adapter for the PENTAX Q-series of cameras, we have extended this camera category to fulfill endless photographic possibilities for Q users, who can now use any one of 25 million PENTAX K-mount lenses with their Q system**.”

**Only manual focusing is available with K-mount lenses.

Introduced along with the Q10 is the new super-compact and lightweight Q-Mount PENTAX 06 Telephoto Zoom lens. This high performance, interchangeable zoom lens features an F2.8 maximum aperture throughout its entire 15-45mm zoom range and is designed for exclusive use with the PENTAX Q-Mount line of digital cameras. When mounted on a PENTAX Q-mount digital camera body, it covers focal lengths from 83mm medium telephoto to 249mm telephoto (equivalent 35mm format) ideal for portraits, sports events and landscape photography.

Also available is the new Adapter Q for K-mount lenses – a lens mount adapter that makes it possible to use PENTAX K-mount lenses on PENTAX Q series cameras. By using this adapter to attach any K-mount lens onto a PENTAX Q series camera, the focal length of the lens is extended by approximately 5.5 times in the 35mm format. For example, the extension in focal length results in the ability to use the smc PENTAX-DA* 300mm F4 ED[IF] SDM telephoto lens as a 1650mm super-telephoto lens, (35mm equivalent) making it ideal for photographing celestial bodies and very distant scenery.

A mechanical shutter has been incorporated in this adapter to prevent “rolling shutter distortion” – a problem that results in distorted images of the subject due to the camera shake caused by photographing fast moving subjects and/or by using a super-telephoto lens. An optional tripod bracket is available to securely stabilize the camera system when longer lenses are attached.

PENTAX Q10 Features

Exceptional image quality
Thanks to the incorporation of a newly designed back-illuminated CMOS image sensor with outstanding high sensitivity and low-noise characteristics, the PENTAX Q10 delivers high resolution images with approximately 12.4 effective megapixels, and a top sensitivity of ISO 6400. The combination of a high-performance imaging engine, and exclusively designed, high performance Q-mount lenses, enables  the PENTAX Q10 to provide clear, high contrast images rich in gradation and texture, even at the edges. With high sensitivity noise minimized, the photographer can use the entire sensitivity range from ISO 100 to the highest ISO 6400 for sharp, clear images. The photographer can even take advantage of the built-in HDR (High Dynamic Range) function, which produces one composite photo from multiple images, to create beautiful, finely detailed images free of whitewashed highlights and blacked out shadows.

Upgraded AF performance
Thanks to the new high sensitivity image sensor and an upgraded AF algorithm, the PENTAX Q10’s autofocus operation is much faster than before, even in dimly lit locations or with a telephoto lens. An AF Assist Light is provided on the camera body to optimize focusing accuracy in the dark, while the Face Recognition AF function automatically detects up to 12 faces and pinpoints the focus on a main subject.

Quick Dial for creative visual effects
By assigning the creative Smart Effect function to the easy-to-access Quick Dial positioned on the camera’s front panel, the photographer can effortlessly add the desired finishing touch to an image, while previewing the effect on the camera’s 3 inch LCD display. With four positions on the Quick Dial, the photographer can assign four of their favorite effects from the nine Smart Effect modes in advance. In order to customize the PENTAX Q10 to accommodate specific shooting styles and user preferences, the user can also assign other preferences – such as a custom image setting or a digital filter or an aspect ratio setting – to this dial.

A selection of image-processing tools to create personalized images

  • Custom Image function to add distinctive finishing touches.
  • Digital Filter function for artistic visual effects – a total of 19 built-in digital filters are available. Eleven filters such as Toy Camera, Invert Color and Posterization can be applied even during the shooting of still images and movie clips, while the remaining eight are applicable only during playback. The user can even apply different filters one after another to a single image to create more unique visual effects.
  • Smart Effect function for simple dial control of finishing touches to quickly and effortlessly add a desired finishing touch to an image, while previewing the effect on the camera’s LCD monitor. From nine Smart Effect modes, including Brilliant Color, which provides a high saturation finish, and Cross Process, with its dramatic unique-toned finish, the user can preselect up to four favorites to the dial in advance.

High quality, Full HD movie recording of extended movie clips
The PENTAX Q10 comes equipped with a Full HD video capture function employing the H.264 recording format, allowing the user to capture high quality, extended movie clips (1920 x 1080 pixels) at a frame rate of 30 frames per second. The user can also take advantage of the advanced image processing tools like the Smart Effect modes*** and other in-body movie editing tools during movie shooting. With a push of a button, the PENTAX Q10 even offers autofocus operation during movie shooting. The PENTAX Q10 also provides a micro-HDMI terminal (type D), which allows the user to simultaneously output both Full HD movie clips and sound to external devices via a single terminal.

*** The frame rate may vary when a selected Smart Effect mode requires nonstandard image processing.

Effortless Bokeh control
The PENTAX Q10’s unique bokeh control function allows the user to create images where their subject stands out by automatically assessing the relative distance between the in-focus subject and obtrusive objects in the field of view. Since this function simplifies the advanced, SLR-caliber technique of intentional defocusing, even a first time digital photographer can effortlessly capture high quality images with the beautifully defocused foreground and/or background.

SR mechanism for sharp, blur-free images
The PENTAX Q10 incorporates the PENTAX-developed SR (Shake Reduction) mechanism, which automatically shifts the CMOS image sensor to offset camera shake detected by the camera’s motion sensor. As a result, the PENTAX Q10 produces sharp, blur-free images even under demanding conditions that are prone to camera shake, such as when using a telephoto lens, shooting in the dark without flash illumination, or capturing landscapes in the twilight.

Simple, user-friendly Auto Picture and Scene modes
The PENTAX Q10 features the PENTAX-original Auto Picture mode, which automatically selects the most appropriate shooting mode from such options as Portrait, Landscape and Macro for a given subject or scene, then optimizes all affecting parameters, such as shutter speed, aperture, white balance, saturation, contrast and sharpness. It also provides 21 Scene modes including Night Scene Portrait, Pet and Backlight Silhouette, allowing even an inexperienced digital photographer to choose the best exposure mode for a complicated scene by simply choosing an appropriate icon on the LCD monitor.

Dependable, flexible exposure system available only with digital ILC systems
The PENTAX Q10’s comprehensive exposure system assures all the advantages and flexibility of a digital interchangeable lens camera system. To accommodate user preferences and varying photographic applications, it offers a choice of four different exposure modes: the all-purpose Programmed AE (P) mode, which automatically selects an optimum combination of aperture and shutter speed; the Shutter Priority AE (Tv) and Aperture Priority AE (Av) modes, which allow the photographer to accurately reproduce specific creative intentions on resulting images; and the Metered Manual (M) mode. The photographer can even instantly switch the exposure mode from P mode to Av or Tv with a simple turn of a control dial.

High speed continuous shooting at approximately five images per second
The PENTAX Q10’s high speed continuous shooting mode allows the photographer to capture up to five images (in JPEG recording format) in a single sequence, at a maximum speed of approximately five images per second. This mode comes in handy when trying to preserve the action of fast moving subjects in a series of images.

Dependable DRII mechanism for effective dust removal
The PENTAX Q10’s DRII (Dust Removal II) mechanism effectively prevents dust spots from degrading captured images after the user changes lenses out in the open. Like the PENTAX K-5 II and 645D SLR cameras, the Q10 incorporates a highly effective supersonic vibration mechanism, which vibrates the image sensor at high speed to shake the dust off its surface.

Built-in auto flash with pop-up mechanism
The PENTAX Q10 comes with a built-in auto flash (guide number 7 at ISO 200/m). The photographer is able to use it at the default position, or raise it to the pop-up position with simple operation to widen its discharge angle to cover a 28mm angle of view (in the 35mm format).

Pricing and Availability
The new PENTAX Q10 will be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in October 2012. It will be offered in a Red or Silver kit including the 02 zoom lens at a suggested retail price of $599.95. The PENTAX-06 Telephoto Zoom lens will be available at retail outlets and online in October 2012 with a suggested retail price of $299.95. Finally, Adapter Q for K-mount lenses will be available in 2012 with a suggested retail price of $249.95.

Additional information including product specifications is available here: www.pentaximaging.com/news and product images are available here: www.pentaximaging.com/press/pressfiles.html.

Designs and specifications are subjects to change without notice.
♦ Q and Q10 are trademarks of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD.

Pentax Q10 specifications

Price
MSRPWith 5-15mm: £379.99, With 5-15mm + 15-45mm: £539.99
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4000 x 3000
Other resolutions4000 x 2664, 4000 x 2248, 3456 x 2595, 3456 x 2304, 3456 x 1944, 2992 x 2992, 2688 x 2016, 2688 x 1792, 2688 x 1512, 2016 x 2016, 1920 x 1440, 1920 x 1280, 1440 x 1440
Image ratio w:h1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels12 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors13 megapixels
Sensor size1/2.3" (6.17 x 4.55 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
Color spacesRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter arrayPrimary Color filter
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 160, 200, 250, 320, 400, 500, 640, 800, 1000, 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3200, 4000, 5000, 6400
White balance presets9
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationSensor-shift
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsBest, Better, Good
File format
  • RAW (DNG)
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3)
  • DCF2.0
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomNo
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points25
Lens mountPentax Q
Focal length multiplier5.53×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size3
Screen dots460,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT Color LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeOptical (optional)
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Standard
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Macro
  • Night Scene Portrait
  • Night Scene
  • Blue Sky
  • Forest
  • Scene
  • Program
  • Shutter Priority
  • Aperture Priority
  • Manual
  • Bulb
  • Blur control
Scene modes
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Macro
  • Moving Object
  • Night Scene Portrait
  • Sunset
  • Blue sky
  • Night scene
  • Night scene HDR
  • Night Snap
  • Food
  • Quick Macro
  • Pet, Kids
  • Forest
  • Surf & snow
  • HDR
  • Backlight silhouette
  • Candlelight
  • Stage lighting
  • Museum
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range7.00 m
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-Eye, Slow Sync, Trailing-curtain sync
Drive modes
  • Single frame
  • Continuous (Hi, Lo)
  • Self-timer (12s, 2s)
  • Remote control (0 sec. 3 sec. continuous)
  • Auto Bracketing (3 frames, remote control)
Continuous drive5 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 12 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing (3 frames )
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1280 x 720p (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps), 320 x 240 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneMono
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage includedNone
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (mini HDMI Type C)
Remote controlYes (Optional)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion D-LI68 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)270
Weight (inc. batteries)200 g (0.44 lb / 7.05 oz)
Dimensions102 x 58 x 34 mm (4.02 x 2.28 x 1.34)
Other features
Timelapse recordingYes (up to 999 images)
GPSNone

Additional images

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Pentax Q10 with 02 Standard Zoom Pentax 06 Telephoto Zoom lens
Pentax K-Q mount adapter Pentax K-Q mount adapter
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I own it
7
I want it
1
I had it
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Comments

Total comments: 187
12
TxCamFan
By TxCamFan (10 months ago)

Will you be doing a full review on this and the Q lenses?

0 upvotes
DRNottage
By DRNottage (Dec 15, 2012)

My votes are out on the new design, but all I know is that I shot a whole event with my Q and external flash- just to see if it could be done. Not only did I have fellow photographers raving over the design of the camera, but also over the results I posted. I WISH my Canon pro gear featured the amount of customization the Q has!
Therefore, all the naysayers can go stick it, IMHO.

2 upvotes
ezradja
By ezradja (Oct 24, 2012)

This is definitely better than Nikon V2!

1 upvote
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (Oct 7, 2012)

THE BEST MIRRORLESS CAM BY IQ !
- Smallest by the size
- has a built in Flash & hot shue (a universal one)
- Higher crop factor to make affordable kit lens into a telescopic lens!
-A must accessory now avaliable "K - Q adapter"

If pentax would adjust its price that is the winnig solution by far i think.

ps: Stop screaming the sensor size, buy a leica or new sony RX1... they but full frame and fit your pocket. If you dare to pay this much. Most of the other brands lacking of Built in Flash/ hot shue /or some hotshue that you must be that special brand´s slave ! And when they offer these , they become not so pocketable.

0 upvotes
ponyman
By ponyman (Sep 18, 2012)

DPR never bothered to do a full review of the original Q for some unknown reason, so I suppose they will choose to ignore the Q10 as well.

4 upvotes
PhotoPoet
By PhotoPoet (Sep 13, 2012)

So after reading all the comments and many replies I conclude that... humm no conclusion possible based on all the "hands-off" comments... Valid is the few from Q owners... seems as if this camera will be a fun camera to "walk-around" with. I do not need a D7000 with me most days, my S100 is pretty cool... those of you that love/read/research/ more than I.. any feedback on adding the Q10 to the other two or input on which "new" camera to purchase?

0 upvotes
brdeveloper
By brdeveloper (Sep 14, 2012)

Most time, all I need is my Nokia N8 which acts as a superb ultracompact camera. I usually carry my Panasonic LX3 together, but N8 is a faster and natural way to make street photography. A N8 with manual controls and RAW would be the ultimate solution to me.

1 upvote
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 14, 2012)

@Photo- if you have an S100 already, you have to ask yourself why you want the Q10. I am not saying there aren't differences and pros to going with it, but that make sure you know for your photography why you think it will be beneficial.

Personally the controls (DSLR like), photographer centric ergonomics (no weird dials to accidentally turn in the back), probably slightly better sensor as it is new, ability to shoot fast at other focal lengths and to me the new F2.8 82-249 *tiny* telephoto are good reasons to look into it.

If these possibilities you think will be something you will use, consider it. If your S100 is pretty much covering your needs, I would just keep using your S100.

2 upvotes
PhotoPoet
By PhotoPoet (Sep 15, 2012)

thanks for the responses @raist3d and @
brdeveloper

0 upvotes
rfstudio
By rfstudio (Sep 12, 2012)

seems like pentax always try really hard to messed up their own product by making more mistake, while sony and canon listen to consumer and actually increase the sensor size, this company always do something wrong.

0 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 13, 2012)

Yeah, that must be why Pentax made a K-5. A camera with superb ergonomics and best in class implementation of the famous Sony APS-C sensor... or why they came out with the K-30 weather sealed and for less than a grand.... mmm kay.

4 upvotes
2npd
By 2npd (Sep 12, 2012)

Pentax seems to be pursuing the fringes of the market....the toy camera market with the Q, the medium format market with the 645, and I'm not sure what market with the K-01. Maybe going for the fringes is a good overall strategy for a scrappy company like Pentax.

But I think the Q/ K-01 are a major strategic mistake. Imagine a Q-01....APS-C, smaller than K-01 body, K adapter (without the crazy multiplier), optional EVF.

I like the Q and the K-01, they're really compelling gadgets, but to me they're not very compelling cameras. My right brain says 'yes' but my left brain says 'are you crazy?!'

A Q-01 could be just as compelling, and a better photographic tool. It would still please the Pentax faithful and undoubtedly reach a broader audience. Hindsight is 20/20, but unfortunately I think it's too late for Pentax to change course....

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

For the in-good faith curious, here's three full size shots with the Q. These are more of snaps (not publishing photographs full size on the net), but should give you an idea. I am expecting the trolls to say it confirms the Q IQ is useless, but the really interested for real, can ignore them.

ISO 160
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp0782-1.jpg

ISO 250
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp0405.jpg

A 100% crop at ISO 4000 in really bad light (fluorescent/tungsten) F2.8, 1/60
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp9913-1.jpg

ISO 6400 pushed 0.25-> to ISO 8000 approx, F1.9, exceptionally low and bad light (fluorescent/tungsten). Handheld. Sure has noise but for B&W I think it can work. Interesting to note there's virtually zero banding in this shot.

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp0235-1.jpg

Some photographs:

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7902-2.jpg
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7943.jpg

5 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

ISO 1600 - this one prints at least to 8x10
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7624.jpg

JPEG out of cam:

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7430.jpg
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7251-4.jpg

ISO 1000, prints well probably to 11x14:
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/bartender.jpg

ISO 4000, F1.9 1/40th, jpeg out of camera
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp6993.jpg

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/greenleaves.jpg
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/firestarter.jpg

Extreme crop:
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/bright.jpg

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp5554_pq.jpg

This one prints all the way to 13''x19'' and looks superb with the tones.

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp5859_pq.jpg

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp5869.jpg

ISO 6400, 1/60th, F1.9 - This one prints at least 5x7, probably 8x10:
http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp1680.jpg

3 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

One thing that many people need to realize too is what is the target medium for their photography. Web or print, I find the Q does well enough to cover in a variety of situations and at that point maybe other cameras allow you to print the walls of your house from end to end, but it's probably not the kind of print you are going to do.

Anyway, not saying the camera is perfect or that the photography doesn't matter (the most important thing creating a photograph). Just showing the Q as a tool allows a range of possibility that is quite varied and can be pushed/pulled/stressed and still responds well within reason.

3 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (Sep 11, 2012)

Wow, this is gonna be a great camera!!!

Man, I can just use my venerable collection of fisheye and UWA lenses to capture amazing super-telephoto shots, thanks to the 5.5x crop factor introduced by this camera.

Thanks, Pentax, you had really made my day! In fact, I had always wanted my 28mm lens to give me the equivalent field of view of a 154mm telephoto lens, yessirie.

Pentax is definitely on to something good here, let's hope that the other camera makers will follow down this path as well.

3 upvotes
The Jacal
By The Jacal (Sep 11, 2012)

Troll-tastic, as usual.

4 upvotes
Greynerd
By Greynerd (Sep 19, 2012)

Surely it is easier to crop your large sensor images in an photo editor rather than buying an expensive camera and adapter to do it.

0 upvotes
MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Sep 11, 2012)

<nit>
This is an inane statement:
"...Q users, who can now use any one of 25 million PENTAX K-mount lenses..."

They should list the number of different K-mount lens models over the years, not the raw number of lenses manufactured.
</nit>

0 upvotes
PhotoPoet
By PhotoPoet (Sep 11, 2012)

Then never ending quest for a great pocketable camera.. just gifted a friend my S95 and got the S100. I was, back in the film days, a Pentax user that converted to Nikon then to Cannon.. not perhaps just for old times sake I can try Pentax again. The link that was provide to look at the Q log seemed to show good image quality and it sure is tiny... any Q users out there think this is a good if slight improvement?

1 upvote
Documensony
By Documensony (Sep 11, 2012)

Only news apparently is that price has been slashed.

0 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 13, 2012)

That's only because apparently your baby eyes can't read the press release on the improvements over the Q :-)

1 upvote
sorinx
By sorinx (Sep 11, 2012)

Useless camera. But knowing how the corporations work, I am sure that the person who pushed this camera got a promotion. And in 1-2 years when sales will show that this is a bad decision, he will be far away;

0 upvotes
AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Sep 11, 2012)

If they had built this camera and the previous Q around a 1/1.6 or 2/3 sensor it would have made more sense...as it is there are several cheaper better performing options now. I just think Pentax created too weak of a foundation for this system to ever be truly successful.

2 upvotes
Azfar
By Azfar (Sep 11, 2012)

If only it had a 1/1.7" sensor.

1 upvote
tompabes2
By tompabes2 (Sep 11, 2012)

It wouldn't be so small.

5 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Sep 11, 2012)

Well, it wouldnt but then image quality would be much better.

Tho Q10 looks much better than that first piece which was more like desginer accident.

0 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@mescalambia - no it wouldn't. The original Q sensor was already better than several 1-1.7" when it came out

@Azfar- why? The original Q bested several 1/1.7" cameras. This sensor will be even better.

The tiny 82-249 f2.8 zoom would have been possible

3 upvotes
misha
By misha (Sep 11, 2012)

If the sensor technology is so good, all the more reason to make it somewhat larger, say, 1", like in the Nikon J1, that is still plenty compact. Then it would be true competition to 4/3 and NEX rather than more of a novelty item.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

Nope The compactness is key to the camera and the system. Show me a 82-249mm equivalent constant f2.8 zoom on the Nikon. You can make it f3.5 constant if you want. It won't be this small

2 upvotes
DrugaRunda
By DrugaRunda (Sep 11, 2012)

People here like to think "by the book" - and if you are outside "cannon" you are dead, so to speak. In this particular case, if it is "small sensor" it is rubbish type of thinking.

Try before you trash... and other than that, check DxO, while not up with the best M 4/3, APS-C or better, for the sensor Q scores in the same league as some older M 4/3rds cameras or for example Nikon D50... which while old now is still excellent, and noone was really complaining that you cannot take photos with it, while it was current.

Nothing stopped thosands of people making millions of great photos with a D50, nor will anyhting stop you today to do the same with the Q, or even better being that Q is 4x smaller than a D50, thus more friendly to carry around, has great controls and equivalent IQ...

What's not to love about it, other than a preconcived notion that so many love to get stuck into...

14 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (Sep 11, 2012)

To be fair the Q uses an especially small sensor of the same type found in superzooms, and personally I can't help but think they could have used a larger top of the line 1/1.6" or 2/3" sensor without any real size increase.

2 upvotes
Azfar
By Azfar (Sep 11, 2012)

"pre conceived notion" ? really. That's how your going to put a 'Fact' based on science ? that a small sensor has its limitations.
and you know, citing DXO marks for a camera, well why not put the stats on the packaging as well, so that people should know what they are missing.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Sep 11, 2012)

Problem is that NX200 (or 210) with 30mm f2 is easy to carry around too. Same goes for NEX-5N with 16mm f2.8 (or whatever you wish to put on it - plenty of adapters and only 1.5x crop).

There isnt much need to make camera smaller, especially when our hands dont get smaller..

Thats for example why I like G5 much more than G3. Cause it can be holded almost comfortable way.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@Azfar- yes- preconceived notions indeed. You bring the word science and facts yet you act completely ignorant to the scientific fact that sensor technology improves by doing different things and marches forward

For example the new q10 is a better sensor than the Q. Looking at Sonys papers, they were able to move even more data cent circuitry out of the way for more photo site area for a cleaner capture while increasing sensor readout and s/n

But all people like you can do is look at the size and without even knowing just pass the judgement. This is like computer MHz a bit - not all MHz speed on different processors mean the same speed

So next time you bring the words science and facts please get
The whole set of facts

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Nerdlinger
By Nerdlinger (Sep 11, 2012)

All you haters need to zip it. Just cut and paste this link:

pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/194467-pentax-q-real-world-user-review.html

(thanks Heie2, I stole your thunder on the link, but it's too incredible not to share)
Try and tell me that the Q stinks...
Bravo to Pentax...that thing is incredible.
Now I just need to save up and get my K-30 to upgrade from my K-x and all is well in my world.
Haters hate...that's what they do...

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

The quality of the Q & Q10 is one thing, the price of it is another.
I've played with the Q, it's beautifully made, asked the salesperson did it sell well, he frowned.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

BTW, great photographer in that review.

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sorinx
By sorinx (Sep 11, 2012)

Great link. It shows the limitation of the camera even for 0.3MP images. And this is 500+USD camera without lenses.

The photographer is good. Shame that he choose the wrong camera. he could have used any phone for this size/quality of photos; or he could have used a 1/7" sensor camera at half the price, for better pictures.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@sorinx - can you explain then how come the Q sensor beats the Panasonic 1/1.7" sensor in the lx5? (or Olympus xz-1... Or canons s95...)?

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JustDavid
By JustDavid (Sep 11, 2012)

sorinx I don't really know why you're wasting your time here... I have seen the same answer of yours a couple of lines above... you have your truth, but if somebody likes the pictures in the review I see no point why you should follow it up with a biased comment like this... I happen to be a member of one photography competition comitee and I can tell you that sensor comparison is NEVER taken into account when we evaluate entries... so far for your camera limitations...

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Nerdlinger
By Nerdlinger (Sep 11, 2012)

sorinx,
$500+ camera without a lens? Did you ever happen to look at Amazon? Camera+prime= $388

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tompabes2
By tompabes2 (Sep 11, 2012)

I guess that most people commenting here do not have the faintest idea of how small the Pentax Q camera and lenses are.
IQ is not enough for you? There are plenty of EVIL cameras out there from sony, panasonic, oly, nikon and now even canon.
The Pentax Q is SMALL, and by saying small I mean much smaller than other competing systems. Pentax just chose to go in a different direction, if you're looking tor the best IQ go for something else, if you're looking for the smallest and lightest and fun to use camera with interchangeable lenses, then the Pentax Q is for you. IQ is good when you consider the sensor size. Very good. Is the camera a toy? Is it just a gadget? Sure it can take good pictures, and many people just want to have fun while taking pictures and then they just look at them on a tablet or laptop monitor and post them on facebook, so the IQ is perfectly OK. Not everyone is a pixel peeper...

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PhotoPoet
By PhotoPoet (Sep 11, 2012)

bet you can even print a photo or two... looks to be a fun easy to carry around "photo" grabber

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TheChefs
By TheChefs (Sep 11, 2012)

Go to the link: http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html

Search for ペンタックス and tick it. You will see that Q comes ranking at 1, 2, 3 and 6. From sells ranking and from what I've seen in Japanese camera stores, it's number 1 selling pentax camera. It doesn't matter what the people here think. Japanese women love it and they are the ones who buy things in Japan. Go to any store in Japan and 90% of the stores target women, since they are the ones with the money. Simply because of it's tiny size, after all Japan is about style over function. As long as it's 可愛い (cute) it will sell.

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pauljcoles
By pauljcoles (Sep 11, 2012)

I don't doubt that it is the best selling Pentax Camera. However on that site it's the 51st best selling camera and that can't be a good thing. Especially with the GF5, J1, GX1 and Pen being in the top 10.

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increments
By increments (Sep 11, 2012)

@TheChefs

Some extraordinary and inaccurate stereotyping there.

BTW subcategory 0008 is for Interchangeable Lens Cameras. It is (by a long distance) not Pentax's highest selling camera. I've also never seen, nor know of, a Japanese woman who owns the Q.

The 可愛い notion just doesn't hold as strongly most commentators with little knowledge of the Japanese market would have us believe. The top 3 selling ILCs in Japan at the moment are DSLRs. There are 4 mirrorless cams in the top 10, one of which is the GX1 which is certainly not a cute-marketed camera.

I'd also love to know how you think Bic or Yodabashi et al. target women more than men.

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TheChefs
By TheChefs (Sep 12, 2012)

Maybe it's not #1, it's still #1 for Pentax. So at least they are going in the right direction. As for stereotyping here, my gf is Japanese. I go to Japan at least 2 times a year and there's quiet large Japanese community where I live. I know what is important to my gf and her friends. They are married to salary man who only work (I usually stay at their places when I travel).

As for cute not being important. The first word my gf's niece started saying before mum and dad was kawaii... Lets just agree to disagree, but I had involvement with Japan for around 20 years now and I've seen a fair bit of that place.

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increments
By increments (Sep 12, 2012)

It's only number one for Interchangeable lens cameras for Pentax, where its only competitor is the K-01. The K-01 sits at a much higher price bracket, hence lower volumes.

I've lived in Japan for many years if you want to play some silly who understands Japan one-upmanship.

I didn't say cuteness isn't ubiquitous in Japanese female culture, merely that in the market for interchangeable lens cameras it's influence is much less than you're alleging.

The cute brigade use their cellphones or compact cameras that don't need lens changes. They visit photo booths that do cute drawing affects on instant photos. They don't buy ILCs. Even the female marketing for the GF# and EPL/M# cameras is aimed more at the OL market than than the kawaii posing.

I notice you didn't answer why you think the camera stores target women more than men.

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ljmac
By ljmac (Sep 11, 2012)

Is Pentax on some kind of mission to produce the dumbest mirrorless product ever? First there was the Q system itself, then there was the K-01 with all the disadvantages of both a DSLR and mirrorless without any of the advantages of either, and now the most absurd, pointless and useless adaptor ever conceived. I'd be amazed if they even sell one of these!

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mgm2
By mgm2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Ever hear of digiscoping? Of course they will sell these adaptors.

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dmanthree
By dmanthree (Sep 11, 2012)

Looks like this system has it all except for IQ. Clearly this isn't for me.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 11, 2012)

Yes, it's for people with an above average IQ.

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danaceb
By danaceb (Sep 11, 2012)

more like pretentious pentax shills who think highly of themselves.

edit; honestly I get you like this camera, it has merits. Just stop getting so butt hurt that its not for everyone. 99% of CSC buyers are looking for clearer IQ than they get with a premium compact, the 1/2.3" does not deliver that.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 12, 2012)

There is no such thing as Image Quality by default. Mind is making an image, not camera, so image is connected with photographer's IQ. You may need something big(ger) in hands to give you confidence where you lack in imagination, but better photography oriented mind will make a beautiful picture even with a small camera.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Sep 11, 2012)

Setting aside the merits or liabilities of the Q system.... is this an actual upgrade of the Q, or just a repackaging of the Q with a few very minor improvements added? (higher top shutter speed, optional viewfinder, optional remote control, AF assist lamp, etc.)

When you compare the specs of the two cameras it doesn't look like there is very much new here. I assume that the new lens and the new adapter will work with either camera, so why buy the new Q10 when the Q is selling for half it's price?

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 11, 2012)

Top shutter speed is 1/8000. Do you think it's not enough?
There are standard Pentax remote controls that all work with Q as well. There's an optional OVF for O1 prime lens, but no EVF so far.
Q has AF assist lamp, yes.
Re price for the Q10+lens combo, it's not much higher than the current Q+lens combo. DPR has a typo in Q10's price...

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Sep 11, 2012)

I thought 1/2000 was enough for this sort of camera. The optional OVF, the optional remote control, and the AF assist light are all nice features, but hardly anything exciting or groundbreaking.

Would any Pentax Q owner upgrade to the Pentax Q10?

I doubt it. There just isn't enough more to justify the cost.

Because the improvements are so slight and so minor, the Q10 looks more like a replacement model for the Q rather than a higher grade model in the same line.

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JacobSR
By JacobSR (Sep 11, 2012)

How about new improved sensor and upgraded processor for better image quality.Iis that not enough? how about better video performance with manual control during video...upgraded shutter to prevent rolling, redesign body for better ergonomics and deeper grip. Well if it's not for current Q owners, then its for others.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@ Marty- did you even bother reading pentaxs press release? Faster af, new CMOS sensor with better noise handling

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@marty- also why should any q owner necessarily upgrade? This is also aimed at first time buyers you know? This whole thing of upgrading your camera a year is one of the prime reasons why the majority of photographer skills don't improve

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (Sep 11, 2012)

Ricardo, and that is exactly my point. The press release says "Pentax expands product line" when they really have just replaced the Q with a slightly improved Q10. This camera really isn't very much different from the Q, it just is priced a little better and has a few more features.

Every new camera is touted as having an improved sensor and processing engine, no matter how minor the tweaks are. Olympus pulled this stunt around 9 times with their 12MP sensor in the Pen series. But you need to bench test the camera and pixel peep to find any difference between any of them.

I'm willing to bet you won't be trading in your Q for a Q10.

Or will you?

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

No Marty, I have not measure the sensor performance yet. However I did read on CMOS tech improve ya Sony introduced and compared them precisely
To the sensor used on the current Q. It's not that far fetched to think those improvements are going to the new sensor but regardless my point is- it is a new improved sensor and I see people writing it is the same thing when it's not

I am with you on testing it but keep in mind- the assumption it's the same it's just a wrong assertion

As for me updating you are making the assumption I want to update! I may if I see body only at a reasonable price and a reasonable improvement but truth is I am trying to put a stop to the upgrading is because it really doesn't help
My photography and I have pretty good right now.

Dont assume I was just going to upgrade. You don't buy a new car once a year (at least I sure don't). Camera technology is at a pOint that the improvements are more gradual

Btw this is not the same as the olpus sensor stunt because Olympus was using the same sensor not different. The only real tweak they did was weaker as but the sensor was the same. This is a different sensor

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fenceSitter
By fenceSitter (Sep 11, 2012)

Quote Marty4650: "is this an actual upgrade of the Q, or just a repackaging of the Q with a few very minor improvements added?"

It's neither. It's a downgrade, which is not uncommon when companies realize that there's no market for their product in the price bracket they had envisioned.

An "upgraded" version is then released with a lower MSRP, and lower specs as well.

Did you not notice that Pentax doesn't harp on about the Q10's brilliantly made magnesium alloy body, like they did in their blurbs for the original Q?

That's because the Q10 doesn't have a magnesium alloy body at all. They ditched that concept.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

@fencesitter- another silly
Comment. Yes the body build
Is not magnesium alloy. Everything else is as good or better than the current Q. To conclude its a downgrade then itequires a certain degree of obtuse

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 12, 2012)

There is a big difference between companies and what we believe upgrades to cameras must contain. For example, while Olympus and Fuji were happy to introduce half baked and not quite ready Pen 1 and X series of cameras with many bugs, Leica and Pentax issue more thought-out products. There is very little on Q that needs improvement of the scale many think about instinctively. I think this Q10 is a year's cosmetic roundup for the domestic market. Namely, Q is best selling Pentax camera in Japan, it is very well received and they're just confirming that statement with a facelift to an already good package.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Sep 11, 2012)

Spend not life of yours living with a tunnel vision.
Think of Q is more like Yoda: small package, big Force.
And surprisingly fun!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8QdMmI7RyM

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Charlie Jin
By Charlie Jin (Sep 12, 2012)

The right description is - not so small package, such a tiny Force with no fun. If you want your Yoda package, get somewhere else. Not Pentax.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

Sorry Charlie but if you think the Q is not so small, I don't know what to tell you. Seems also like the original Yoda type quote is the best….

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Charlie Jin
By Charlie Jin (Sep 11, 2012)

Same external size as Sony RX100, without the lens attached.
With lens mounted Sony RX100 is much smaller.
But RX100's sensor is more than 5 times bigger.

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mgm2
By mgm2 (Sep 11, 2012)

True, but try changing lenses on the RX100.

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Charlie Jin
By Charlie Jin (Sep 12, 2012)

Why would you want to change the lens for such a small senor camera ?
Also, I can attach Macro Lens such as Raynox 250 with great results. 2.5x tele lens attachment is also available, which I haven't tried yet. Wide angle lens also available. All these results should be better than Q10's.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

ER.. because it provides different opportunities with different lenses?

Attachments and lenses designed for the system have different results… and portability…

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (Sep 11, 2012)

Why do they still make them?

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 11, 2012)

That was exactly the question I had on my mind.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Because Asia, a photography Mecca, *loves* small gadgets - it's an extremely large market that you (and most others) are clearly failing to recognize - YOU'RE NOT THE ENTIRE PHOTOGRAPHY MARKET.

Second, if you took the time to even begin to understand that small sensor =/= shitty IQ, you'd see the Q's IQ is OUTSTANDING for what it is. No one bitches about the E-M5 despite being *only 4/3* - it must have terrible IQ because it is smaller than APS-C! Are you going to get *super shallow* DOF with the Q? No, but with the super fast primes, it's actually super impressive with subjects that are close (with beautiful bokeh). But you won't acknowledge that, you professional purist tog you.

Give yourself 10 minutes to read through this real world account.

pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-q/194467-pentax-q-real-world-user-review.html

But most importantly, aside from some strengths over DSLR's it gives, everyone that's used it will agree - it's FUN, and that's what photography is all about, no?

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oselimg
By oselimg (Sep 11, 2012)

Heie2, while I agree with with some of the points you make, damning bigger formats as purists imposition is at least misleading. I hope you're not defying the laws of optics/sesor size combinations or in other words laws of physics. Pixel quality is only one aspect of photography.

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increments
By increments (Sep 11, 2012)

Except the Q doesn't sell well in Asia. Highest sales position is outside the top 50 for interchangeable lens cameras in Japan (check BCN ranking).

I couldn't in good conscience recommend the Q to any photographer, casual or serious. However if you enjoy it, then that's the main thing. you don't need to get worked up by those who don't.

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increments
By increments (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry I should have made it clear that the above is a reply to Heie2 rather than the OP

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Nerdlinger
By Nerdlinger (Sep 11, 2012)

Heie2: Wow...that link is incredible. I was pretty "blah" about the Q until I saw that review. That Q is one incredible camera for the size of it. All these haters need to STFU...GO PENTAX!

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (Sep 11, 2012)

LOL, I live in Asia and travel extensively. I have never seen one in the stores here. Never been to Singapore, or Japan, but I think they have a Pentax following there. And I go to allot of the high end shops to browse. Not only that but Pentax is now disappearing from the sales shelves. This year i have seen it slip even farther. I used to see some K-r's in stores like Big Camera in Thailand.
But they are now stocking a good supply of Nikon Canon Olympus. I did see a Ricoh for the first time the other day.

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mgm2
By mgm2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Increments, I assume you have used the Q system and are not recommending it based on your personal experience? Also know that sales numbers do not necessarily equate to profit. If the Q provides an acceptable level of profit at current sales levels thats all that really matters.

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increments
By increments (Sep 11, 2012)

@mgm2

I've used, though not owned, a Q. I see no area in which you can't find something better for the money. At £300 in the UK you can get an Olympus E-PL3 or Sony NEX 5 with kit lenses. You can get the E-PM1 with dual lens kit. At £335 there's the Fuji X10. For less than the cost of the Q you could get long range zoom flexibility if that's your thing or something like the Oly XZ1, Canon S100 etc. etc.

The Q is a perfectly fine camera, but there are better options out there.

BTW If you think Pentax makes money on the Q, you're delusional

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@increments - if you think Pentax would just spend money without hope of profit then you are delusional. You really don't know if they make a profit

And btw a camera that still in the top 100 of bcn is still selling some number. The Q has several kits, no just one, on that list

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increments
By increments (Sep 11, 2012)

@Raist3d

I'm absolutely sure they hoped to make a profit. That's not what I said. I've a fairly good idea of R&D, tooling, and manufacturing costs, and therefore what volumes and margins they'd need to make a profit.

Your statement about BCN numbers for interchangeable lens cameras indicates you don't really know about sales volumes. The highest ranking Q kit comes in at #51 way below its competitors.

Also remember the original MRSP of the Q cameras, and how much it dropped, that's not indicative of all going according to plan.

Pentax may hope the Q system reaches a profitable position in the future but that doesn't mean they will. Let's face it, they wouldn't be the first company to put money into an ultimately unsuccessful product.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

@increments

I am sorry but unless you were behind the scenes with their Sony sensor sale and what they did, I don't think you have a pretty accurate idea of such thing. Unless you work designing digital cameras and even still.

And what you are saying about BCN numbers clearly indicates to me you don't quite know what you are saying. The Q wasn't in those places all the time, it was higher, and moreover, it's been in those spots for a bit of a while now. There are several other cameras not in that to 100. I never said it was amazing sales, just that some numbers in some reasonable amount to make it worth produce must be moving.

What I am saying is, if the Q was the catastrophe you suggest, they would cut their loses and be done. But in Japan, being in that list for a while means it's selling. DC impress also had a poll where the Q was the #1 camera everyone wanted above everyone else.

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increments
By increments (Sep 12, 2012)

@Raist3d

The Q has consistently been below the competition in BCN rankings. A highest position of #51 in the ILC section indicates it's selling poorly. All other manufacturers have consistently done better.

I'll reiterate that I'm not bashing the Q, it's an OK camera, but it is not a sales success in any market.

WRT pulling a product line, you seriously underestimate Japanese corporate intransigence. They'll keep going with the concept because they believe in it. It will take a while before they accept that it is a doomed line.

You don't have to believe me, that's fine. Have you got a link to this poll?

By the way, despite any poll results, actual sales numbers are tiny http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=zh-TW&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbcnranking.jp%2Fnews%2F1112%2F111228_21729.html

BTW that's an extended period.

Add to that the Nikon 1 now regularly features near the top of sales figures and that Canon has joined the party, Pentax's share of the pie is virtually zero.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (Sep 11, 2012)

All very interesting, if the bokeh control actually accesses the distance between objects, it could well have a useful effect. The problem with software solutions after the fact is they have no way of gauging this.

I'm not so sure if the larger lenses can take such extreme cropping, though. Even the Nikon 1 is pushing things in the samples I've seen.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

In all honesty, the bokeh control mode I don't think it's very good. It can work in some situations with objects from what I have seen where you have a clear diagonal where things will blur after and not. With portraits it's very hit miss, more on the miss than hit.

I rather see Pentax remove this mode and make F1.0/F1.2 primes. The new telephoto F2.8 should allow for some reasonable portrait bokeh.

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tinetz
By tinetz (Sep 11, 2012)

ok dpreview, so a list price of 599$ in the press release translates to "around 700$" in your introduction. What an interesting rounding, or was that on purpose? Who knows...

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juleona7854
By juleona7854 (Sep 11, 2012)

So amazing!!!!!

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

When P&S and camera phones are moving on to larger sensors
Someday, the Q might have the smallest sensor not just amongst other CSCs, but all photo-taking gadgets....
Way to go.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 11, 2012)

Would be really great if the "Ignore User" feature worked for news commenters.

I've yet to use it in the forums, but was disappointed to find that it doesn't work here.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry if I've offended you.
If you love Pentax, I love them too, and sad to see them heading into the wrong direction.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 11, 2012)

You didn't offend me. I just don't like reading snarky comments.

I don't love Pentax, but I can understand why they made this camera. For people who need deep DOF in low light, or a really long zoom reach, a smaller sensor is the right tool for the job.

If they had faster prime lenses, this camera could work wonders. Hopefully, they'll make those. In the mean time, they've released an 83-249mm equivalent f/2.8 constant aperture zoom for $300.

If Panasonic had one of those to sell you, it would probably cost $1,300 -- more than 4x more.

This camera fills a niche in the market that the bigger camera makers won't bother competing with Pentax on. Perhaps the niche is smaller than they thought it would be. Time will tell.

You've got to hand it to them though, they've got balls.

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JacobSR
By JacobSR (Sep 11, 2012)

@zapatista
There is no point for cell phones to move to a larger sensor. As I understand there have been a huge imvestment and R&D done on this sensor, givin it great Image quality. But it's not only the sensor that count. You have to have high quality optics and a great image processor to go with it, in a nice compact body like...the Q ;)

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Charrick
By Charrick (Sep 11, 2012)

Edgar: "For people who need deep DOF in low light, or a really long zoom reach, a smaller sensor is the right tool for the job."

And if so, might I suggest getting a much cheaper super-zoom bridge camera instead of this.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

Edgar Matias,

If you too admit the Q is a small sensor niche, there's no point complaining my original comment, that's totally my point. LOL

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 11, 2012)

qwertyasdf,

I also admit that the sky is blue and water is wet. :-)

I don't understand why you think filling a niche is a bad thing. There are lots of companies making big sensor cameras (including Pentax). If the Q is profitable for Pentax (which it seems to be), I don't understand what the problem is.

I think they need to get it into a James Bond movie.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 11, 2012)

Charrick: "And if so, might I suggest getting a much cheaper super-zoom bridge camera instead of this."

Too big.

What I really want is a fast prime for the Q10 -- something like f/1.0 or f/1.2. A 40mm equivalent and a 100mm equivalent would give you awesome low-light capability and real DOF control -- not the silly simulated Bokeh mode.

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SamTruax
By SamTruax (Sep 11, 2012)

@ Edgar Matias
Actually Panasonic DOES sell a similar lens that actually has a range of 25 mm to 600 mm (equiv) constant f 2.8 and I think it sells for around $599 as part of the FZ200. Same size sensor...
I think the Q series are definitely cute but I wish people would put some perspective on what they are getting. It is definitely a niche market and a fun camera to play with but it doesn't miraculously do things that other similarly sized and speced cameras don't do at a lower price...and maybe those cameras are a load of fun for some people too.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 12, 2012)

@ SamTruax

Yes, that's true. The FZ200 does look like a very nice camera, but IMO too big for the image quality. If I'm carrying something that big, I'd want a m43 camera.

It's been mentioned a lot already, but what the Q needs is fast primes -- faster than you can get with the fastest compact zooms like the LX7 and XZ-1. That would give the Q a much better reason for existing.

An interchangeable lens camera without really good lenses is a pointless exercise.

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zapatista
By zapatista (Sep 11, 2012)

I took a Pentax Q with an adapted 50mm F1.7 MD lens around last weekend hiking and to a football game. I had one helluva great time with the 275mm equivalent field of view. IQ isn't going to be incredible at 1:1 but that's nor the damn point: IT'S FUN.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Sep 11, 2012)

Want more fun?! take it to a beach before summer ends.

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (Sep 11, 2012)

IT'S FUN - which is the point of the camera altogether. Its lens selection, while not as thin as pancakes, is still pocketable enough if not mounted on the body. zapatista is one of those people meant to have a Q.

NEX lenses on the other hand will bulge out of my pockets enough to cause visual discomfort in the least! =))

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Sep 11, 2012)

A sucker born every minute.

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (Sep 11, 2012)

I'm surprised this has come back for a second round. I like the thing but sales have been terrible, and new Qs can be had on eBay for under $300 (body only).

Jonathan Martin, General Manager for Pentax UK said, "Though it [the Q] has been well received, we haven't seen the numbers that we would have liked to."

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/pentax-q-sales-disappointing-1060295

Personally, I like the thing. I'm glad it's back for round two. I'm not sure what Pentax is hoping for, though. Do the same thing and hope for different results the second time around. I think it was Einstein who called that the definition of insanity.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

Actually the Q has apparently sold OK in Japan. It's outside Japan/asia where it seems to have undersold.

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mgm2
By mgm2 (Sep 11, 2012)

But is it profitable? That is the question? Don't get caught up in the mistaken belief that the top line is all that matters.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

I am not making that mistake. But obviously several people around here are assuming it is not profitable, which is as wrong as assuming it's a resounding success.

Obviously if the Q was such a catastrophe the Q10 wouldn't have happened. R&D that went into the Q wouldn't justify it because it's a sunk cost at that point.

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ezradja
By ezradja (Sep 11, 2012)

yes it has small sensor size but the design is gorgeous!

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7943.jpg

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

The original Q is a fun camera, capable of very good IQ, but it is surprising that Pentax didn't up the resolution of the LCD monitor. The LCD is extremely difficult to see all but perfect light. Seeing that 3 of the 6 Q lenses are manual focus, I'm not sure what Pentax is thinking here.

It's kind of odd, because the superb build of the Q and the original pricing puts it in high-end territory. Given this, the LCD really should not be a place to cut costs on. Panasonic also uses a 460 K in the GX1, but it's much easier to focus on because of the higher magnification in MF.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

I don't mind the resolution it's adequate and the battery life would go worse with higher resolution. That said I am with you on easier to see in sunlight. It's a fly in the ointment in the otherwise very complete original design.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

The low res and the only 4x magnification make MF extremely difficult. The same problem the Nikon J1 has with only 4x zooming in during MF. The Nikon J2 now has a brighter LCD, I think. The Q battery life is not great anyway, but I do see your point.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

I think if the LCD was easier to see, the new sensor refreshes faster and they made say 6x it should be ok for the most part.

I am not too bad with it as it is except for LCD visibility in bright light.

The battery life of the current Q is not great but it's not bad. I think adding a higher res LCD would move it into the bad.

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (Sep 11, 2012)

Very low price for a constant aperture zoom!

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KnightPhoto2
By KnightPhoto2 (Sep 11, 2012)

Still, an f/2.8 telephoto zoom for $300, is a nice option.

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T3
By T3 (Sep 11, 2012)

This is definitely the mirrorless system to invest in. Definitely.

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (Sep 11, 2012)

It's fun and all, but c'mon f2.8 lens is like an equivalent of f14. I'd not be too keen on stopping it down to f4 because of diffraction.
Not sure what is the purpose really. If they want to make a compact body, then I'm not sure it's really all that small either.

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liquidsquid
By liquidsquid (Sep 11, 2012)

F14 for FOV, but F2.8 for shutter speed/lower ISO settings. May be perfect for long-range digi-scoping seeing the crop factor is so high with IS. Can freeze motion easier, and focus will not have to hunt as much meaning focus lock *may* be fast.

Also if the registration is closer (aperture to sensor distance) diffraction effect is reduced vs. aperture.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Sep 11, 2012)

Wow, what a bunch of brain dead people here who don't have a clue why someone would want a 5.5x crop factor camera that takes almost any C-mount, K mount , Canon mount, Leica M mount, Nikon mount etc

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

C-Mount or other manual lenses sound good in theory on the Q, but the only 4x magnification make focusing extremely difficult.

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (Sep 11, 2012)

C-mount is an excellent choice, but I'd rather use them on 2x or 3x crop. 5.5x crop is just too small.
The rest of the lenses, like Leica and others, I'd rather use on NEX or Fuji.

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

I know Q users who add an LCDVF to help with manual focus, but trying to accurately focus with such a low level of magnification on a naked LCD is not easy. After using cameras like the GX1 or the 5D II that allow 1:1 zooming, the 4x of the Q kind of rough.

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zapatista
By zapatista (Sep 11, 2012)

This is the most frustrating feature of the original Q...decent LCD but crap zoom. What are they thinking here?!?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

So I can buy this with a couple variable max aperture zoom lenses for well over a grand, or I can get a FZ200 from Panasonic with a 25-600mm f2.8 zoom and the same size sensor for $500.

Tough call!

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Sep 11, 2012)

Try using a low cost 85mm (468mm eqiv) F1.4 or ultra fast C-mount lens on that.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7221358612_5717a12c3c_b.jpg

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

Why would I need to? It's got a 25-600mm f2.8 lens on it already.

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zxaar
By zxaar (Sep 11, 2012)

@tkbslc F1.4, you be glad he did not mention 85mm f1.2

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

@tkbslc - do you understand the difference between F2.8 and F1.4?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

Of course, but f1.4 on a 1/2.3" sensor still doesn't give shallow DOF and all those lenses become super telephotos with the 5x crop factor.

If you want to be impressed, spend the same on m4/3 or NEX and attach a f1.4 lens to it.

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zxaar
By zxaar (Sep 11, 2012)

yaa we have spent time with m43 and nex. NEX are okey but m43 are useless. They are not compact as Q is and they do not provide DOF control as APC sensors or FF sensors. About m43s there is nothing to be impressed of. They are worse of both worlds.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

Actually with F1.4 you can get some shallow DOF depending on the lens it is and distance. I mentioned that option because the camera you mention does not have that option. Not to mention the FZ200 is not anywhere near as as small.

You can also detach the lens from Q to even carry around. Can't do that with FZ200.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 11, 2012)

I have downed the pictures and dng files on photography bog and it is what i was awaiting. Totally washed out pictures, huge highlight burning and tons of CA.

The companies, including Pentax just play with our bell-tower. What is this good for. Same for Sony where a Full Frame Point and shoot leaked, the RX10 to come for 2800$ street price. Point and shoot in the size of Pana GX1, fixed Zeiss 35-2.0 lens, no VF, no tilting screen. In some way another gadget made for those that have money to throw away. Only point is to find out if it is real or fake.

And, like always, Pentax, as much as Canon, Nikon, and Sony continue producing things nobody wants, and those we ask for are simply ignored.
Pentax fooled it up with the mirrorless, Nikon made a useless one, Canon steps just behind, and from Sony there seems not to be any NEX-9 in FF on the horizon, while Olympus and Pana stick to that 4/3 nonsense, despite that it is more valuable than Nikons J system.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 11, 2012)

The Q can do better than what they did. Check the dr on dxomark

http://raist3d.typepad.com/files/imgp7943.jpg
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zxaar
By zxaar (Sep 11, 2012)

"those we ask for are simply ignored." ------------ speak for yourself. It is rather what "you" want is ignored.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry, man, I am one of many, you are probably one of the others. But that's the way the world is, there must be suckers, without them such gadgets would not be produced.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

@FTW - given your reaction and the fact you actually didn't bother to check other shots (and those are not even the Q10 btw), I am going to safely guess your photography probably isn't all that good.

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audijam
By audijam (Sep 11, 2012)

please stop f-ing around already! please! this is a joke in photography! my god! my eyes! they are burning!

give me the MD-SD, K1, K3 whatever you would like to name it....I WANT A FF PENTAX!!!

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onlooker
By onlooker (Sep 11, 2012)

LXD? Although the name may seem funny when said out loud to those that remember the 60s.Then again, that might be the only way they will ever see it. ;)

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 10, 2012)

There are 72 shots of the new Q10 posted on the Photography blog, one can down them in full size. So, make up your mind.

http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/pentax_q_photos/

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marike6
By marike6 (Sep 11, 2012)

Those are Q, not Q10 images. I like that gallery, there are actually some OK looking images there. PhotographyBlog is good for researching cameras as they always have a set of raw files and full sized jpegs. Very useful site.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 11, 2012)

Sorry, I made a mistake there. You're right, it are first Q images. Me too, i like PhotographyBlog, they publish indeed full size shots and raw files, what gives you a good idea about IQ and the flexibility of the raw.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (Sep 12, 2012)

Even when they may not be exposed properly and instead of taking as a good way to see some of the aspects in quality, not the real potential.

Not saying they are bad, I like them too. But I wouldn't use them as the only yardstick.

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FTW
By FTW (Sep 10, 2012)

if you use the adapter on a big lens, people will say, "hey they make lenses now that take pictures without a camera, hahahaha.

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Kirwin
By Kirwin (Sep 10, 2012)

Doh!

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Sep 10, 2012)

I probably won't buy this camera, at least not yet. It does cost a lot.

However, I like the idea. I thought years ago (way before the first Q) that somebody should build a small-sensor interchangeable lens camera.
Anyone who thinks a small-sensor camera with super-telephoto possibilities doesn't fill a need should google "digiscoping".

The IQ comments on these forums are out of touch with reality. Most of us print at 8x10 or less most of the time. If you are a professional photographer, you are in the minority. If you are an enthusiast that makes lots of prints at 13x19 or bigger, you are in the minority. Where do you put all of those huge prints? My small-sensor Canon 230SX prints fine at 8x10, usually indistinguishable from my m43 Panasonic GH2. At 4x6, the 230SX is always indistinguishable from the GH2. That covers most prints of the size that would go in a magazine. All of you "experts" who criticize the IQ of cameras with sensors this size need to lighten up.

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Cogburn
By Cogburn (Sep 10, 2012)

Many people here stand on sheer specification and sensor-lust when determining the validity of a camera (system). The fact is, this camera, or at least the previous Q, is a good picture-taker. If you've bought it, and hate it... actually have a legitimate gripe, then by all means, run it down, tell us what a piece of garbage it is... If however you just want to make yourself feel better about your "whatever" piece of equipment you're comparing it to, spare us. There's room in this world for all kinds of cool gadgets, cameras, HECK! I even have a watch that doesn't keep cesium-decay-accurate time... I have to wind it fer god's sakes!! What were they thinkin?!?

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 10, 2012)

I doubt many of the critics of the Q have ever held one in their hand, let alone used one or seen the results. With the current Q, just the small size and the appearance makes you want one, as well as the build quality.

Those who own one give it very high ratings and produce nice images.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

People who have spent nearly a grand on a camera that takes PnS grade photos would HAVE to give it a good review. Otherwise they would cry themselves to sleep. Confirmation bias demands it.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 11, 2012)

Like I said, tkbslc ...

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

And like I said.... :)

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 11, 2012)

Wow ... apparently conjecture carries more weight than experience! Talk about confirmation bias - "I'm certain Q buyers waste their money, even though I've never tried one. I'm sure glad I'm smarter!"

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zxaar
By zxaar (Sep 11, 2012)

@ tkbslc, I will give you 5 grands if you can fit the FF sensor into Q type body and make it interchangeable lens system. If you can not then this is the smallest and most compact MILC here. Deal with it.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Sep 11, 2012)

How about a 1", 4/3 or APS-C sensor and we call it the same $600 the Q costs?

@Dstudio : you do know that they have pictures you can download on this website as well as flickr, forums, etc. I've seen the pictures.

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zxaar
By zxaar (Sep 11, 2012)

There is no MILC as compact as Q is. This is fact. I am talking about size and not the cost. Learn to read first.

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