Previous news story    Next news story

Just Posted: Pentax K-30 studio test shots as part of rolling review

By dpreview staff on Aug 28, 2012 at 01:22 GMT

Just Posted: Studio test samples and analysis of the Pentax K-30. We're working on a full review of Pentax's K-30 mid-level DSLR and will be posting content as it's completed, building up the review progressively over the coming weeks. The first part of this process is the addition of our standard studio test images to the K-30 preview. As usual this means the images are accessible from other reviews and the standalone comparison tool, and Raw files are available for download.

Click here to see the Pentax K-30 studio shots

Comments

Total comments: 144
yyuuhhaauu
By yyuuhhaauu (8 months ago)

I am considering changing the shell of Pentax k30 by buying another one with different colour . I want to create a Lego look for the k30 since the price of this Pentax is so inexpensive .. Can any one steer me to the manual on how take the k30 shell only apart ?
I like to do it and produce two unique coloured k30 if it is just a matter of inbolting the screws ..

Many thanks ..

0 upvotes
Daz80
By Daz80 (Oct 28, 2012)

So is the K-30 review still happening or has it been cancelled?
cheers

0 upvotes
Mitra Zaman
By Mitra Zaman (Aug 31, 2012)

I'm considering to choose between two options to buy, pentax k-30 or k-5. Please advice from anyone, which of the two options are the most profitable?

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 31, 2012)

If you are looking for the more professional camera, the K-5 wins. Sure it lacks some of the newer innovations/upgrades (faster AF, better video, focus peaking, faster processor), but the IQ is a bit better, especially at High ISO's, and is a much more durable body. Also, if being used for professional work, you will definitely benefit from the also weather sealed battery grip option, which no grip is available for the K-30 (unfortunately) - real boon for portrait orientation shooting.

Here's a quick side by side comparison that should help: http://snapsort.com/compare/Pentax-K-30-vs-Pentax_K-5

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
4 upvotes
Mitra Zaman
By Mitra Zaman (Aug 31, 2012)

Thank you very much for your consideration and advice, including a link which gives a comparison between the two products. A consideration is very helpful and enlightening. That way I can make a decision to choose K-5 with a more steady. Once again, thank you.

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 31, 2012)

You're very welcome :)

And I recommend also stopping by PentaxForums.com - it is an excellent resource for understanding the ins and outs of Pentax. Try this thread, K-5 vs K-30, for starters:

pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-k-5/186886-k5-vs-k30.html

-Heie

2 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (Aug 29, 2012)

Yes sir, K-30 is one powerful image-making piece of Pentax engineering at an incredibly accessible price. The only thing that personally turns me off is the redneck/bogan (depending on what country you live) design. Whatever happened to the classic K10D or even the decent K200D/K-r design??? Even Mark Newson could have done better here :-))) (poor fella... all this bashing he has received... I'm actually a K-01 design fanatic)

0 upvotes
Maxfield_photo
By Maxfield_photo (Aug 29, 2012)

I'm sure he cried all the way to the bank.

0 upvotes
Oom Julius
By Oom Julius (Aug 29, 2012)

I bought the K-30. Had it for two weeks now. It replaced my K-x which has a good sensor but two major flaws: 1. Missing focus red dots so you can see what you focus on and 2. Very slow processor so forget about burst mode. OK for portraits and landscapes, flowers & macros. The K-30 overcomes all of these and some more. Great tool but like so many said, it has to be in good hands to produce good results which is true of all tools. Buying a stethoscope does not make you a doctor.

4 upvotes
JacobSR
By JacobSR (Aug 29, 2012)

I need another camera like I need a hole in the head. But I realy want this one.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Benjamin Kanarek
By Benjamin Kanarek (Aug 28, 2012)

Pentax, Canon, Nikon, Sony etc all build really good camera's that in most cases out perform the potential of those using them. The K30 is a good camera, but in the hands of a pixel peeping dysfunctional user, it will be of no consequence to anyone other than those who spend time in front of a screen determining which pixel outperforms the next. Just get out there and use your stuff. Yeah, I use Pentax to shoot for magazines the likes of VOGUE & Harper's BAZAAR. But I could do so with pretty much anything out there. We shot all of our HD video's with the Pentax K-x and K-01 and I hear no complaints from the clients. My K20D's and K5's have been used for everything that has been published over the last 5 years. I almost switched back to Canon last month with their 5D Mklll. But I might just as well get the Nikon D800 if I do switch. But for now, I am using K5's and Pentax lenses. None the less, I like the K30, especially in Blue.

Ben
www.benjaminkanarek.com

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 59 seconds after posting
14 upvotes
robbo d
By robbo d (Aug 28, 2012)

Ben, great to hear some sense. Sick of bashing of cameras and brands for reasons purely of point scoring or just plain lack of knowledge.
I have used Canon and have no trouble doing so again, chose Pentax because their strong points suit my style of shooting. I played with a friends Sony a77 the other day and was impressed with the tech, again could easily use it and enjoy just taking photos.
I took photos with my phone yesterday because I had some spare time, so went for a walk.
Quality glass on the front of any modern camera should yield excellent results. I found the review on the 650D fair and he seemed to like the sum total of the way the cam worked and its a fine camera in anyones hands. Yes the K30 is a great cam, esp at that price. Is it better than anything else? depends what you want it for an what matters to you.
I would like to know why we are getting a rolling review on a cam theyve had for longer, however marketing wise it playing into Pentax's hands isn't it?

4 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (Aug 29, 2012)

A valid point; overanalysing on specifications and measurements is missing the point. So it is, however, when oversimplifying. All cameras are not the same in the art of picture-making; you cannot take a decent photo with a mobile phone unless you are planning to spent some serious time in post-processing and/or keep it at Polaroid-size (or pretend/state it has an 'artistic' -within/without quotes- look). 'Nothing wrong with Polaroid-size per se, of course, some photographers are famous for their Polaroids shots. Nevertheless, it is prudent to strike a balance -or realise the difference- between artistic perception and camera limitations. Otherwise, say, let's all start building contemporary houses with 18th century civil engineering technology.

0 upvotes
ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Aug 28, 2012)

This camera just looks sexy.

And picture quality seems to be in the upper range.
Why not to take this feeling into jungles or rainforests.

It is great concept of a camera maker who escaped successfully from the boring <Pentax …else> tradition.

Our PixelMax world needs viable alternatives. Here it is.

And I just have learned a very intelligent slogan from dpreview: Rolling Review.

Time and complexity issues covered. Smart

6 upvotes
droid56
By droid56 (Aug 28, 2012)

Wkay, I also am not seeing the images, while others,from their comments are seeing them. Weird.

0 upvotes
ikenkoin
By ikenkoin (Aug 28, 2012)

You guys need to enable cookies for dpreview.com to see the studio-shots.

0 upvotes
wkay
By wkay (Aug 28, 2012)

thx!

0 upvotes
wkay
By wkay (Aug 28, 2012)

can anyone see the images? I just get blacked out pages, except for the press release stuff.

0 upvotes
ikenkoin
By ikenkoin (Aug 28, 2012)

Possibly you have disabled cookies.

0 upvotes
meshal
By meshal (Aug 28, 2012)

wow, Pentax now is the king of high iso cam (apc-s). first with k5 and now with this k30.
thank Pentax for raising the bar. hoping other manufacturers will follow you.

8 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (Aug 28, 2012)

great sensor, tx to Sony. Too bad Pentax cant make decent zoom and a decent AF.

Do they still have problems with quality control with all the Vietnam products ?

1 upvote
andy le anh
By andy le anh (Aug 28, 2012)

Quality control for Vietnam products? uh... what is that?

0 upvotes
gaddigad
By gaddigad (Aug 28, 2012)

AF issues were reported on only one model (k-r), belonging to the Hoya era. K-30 uses a new AF module.

0 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (Aug 28, 2012)

@andy, many Pentax products are made in Vietnam and they have a lot QC related problems.

0 upvotes
Docrwm
By Docrwm (Aug 28, 2012)

Others have used that sensor and not gotten as much out of it as Pentax has with both the K-5 and K-30. Yes, Sony makes them but Pentax tunes them up!

1 upvote
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Aug 28, 2012)

Yes, incidentally, it must be the same factory where Nikon assembles its AF modules for D800. And where Canon glues together the outer shell for the Rebel.

6 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

If the DA*50-135 f2.8 was not a "decent" zoom, I'll be damned.

I think every brand has QC problems.

1 upvote
Simon97
By Simon97 (Aug 28, 2012)

Jpeg shooters will love the the high ISO performance. The already great D7000 is bested with the K30's better saturation, sharper detail and about the same noise at ISO 3200. If this camera lives up to its spec sheet, it will be the top pick. Pentax/Ricoh need to MARKET the darn thing!

IMHO, Pentax needs an entry level model unless the price on the K30 drops quite a bit. You can pick up a Canikon entry kit for around $500 these days. A good entry model will draw new shooters into your system.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
3 upvotes
Docrwm
By Docrwm (Aug 28, 2012)

The K-5 bested the D7000 didn't it back when it came out?

I agree with you on both the Marketing issue and the need for an entry-level camera. We're hearing rumors that a K-300 entry-level is coming at Photokina too.

1 upvote
sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 28, 2012)

In jpg, maybe. I believe the K5 and D7000 were a virtual tie in sensor testing. Both succesfully implemented a great Sony sensor. And both bring their own unique strengths to the table.

0 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 28, 2012)

Hey Pentax boys, why don't you enlighten the public what's the point in WR if all the best Pentax lenses (like 31LTD, 43LTD, 77LTD) are not WR-ed?

And why would anybody want to invest into Pentax DA* lenses that are actually WR-ed, but come with the SDM AF mechanism that is prone to failure?

2 upvotes
Model Mike
By Model Mike (Aug 28, 2012)

The pancakes are WR - you just cover em with your hand. Simples!

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

I have the DA* 16-50 f/2.8, DA* 50-135 f/2.8, DA* 60-250 f/4, and DA* 55 f/1.4. Also the DFA 100mm Macro WR (which we think Pentax just forgot to label as a Limited - same all-metal barrel as the ones you listed). All are weather sealed. All are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than ANYTHING comparable offered by Canikon (which 9/10 won't be sealed), and are all absolutely SUPERB in image quality. Not to mention more compact and each built like tanks. Did I mention they're all sealed?

Six months in Afghanistan, BATHED in sand and dust, then washed in the shower, and no SDM has failed me, nor has the IQ ever disappointed. The FA Limiteds (that you listed) are superb. But they aren't the *only* lenses that Pentax has made that raised the bar.

I advise you dig a little deeper if you are going to attack Pentax, because dollar for dollar, it's the best system out there that doesn't require Full Frame, super specific flash needs, or tilt-shift (which 90% of DSLR user's don't).

Next?

22 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (Aug 28, 2012)

Why don't you enlighten us on the point of trolling a camera forum?

3 upvotes
garyknrd
By garyknrd (Aug 28, 2012)

This guy is nuttier than my mom's fruitcake. One of the guys that brings a knife to a baking cook off. Unfortunately uninformed as he is. It is a cult mentality. Kinda scary.

2 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 28, 2012)

And just so you know, i've been a Pentax user for a good while so I know its limitations rather well. And these aren't worth the "WR that only works with some lenses" that the Pentax community is so anal about! Or the AF that is still light years behind a 2008 D90. Etc...

Speaking about buck for buck value, why would anybody sane pay 250$ (Adorama) for the Pentax SMCP-DA 50mm f/1.8 that is not sealed (so much for the WR-hysteria) and has the screw-driven AF when Nikon's 50mm f/1.8G AF-S that is sealed by design, has faster, more accurate and quieter AF sells for 216$???

And just for fun - why don't you find out how much Nikon's 85mm f1.8 AF-S (WR'd by design as well) lens goes for these days and why somebody should go for the 77mm LTD instead at twice the price? With NO WR and a screw-driven AF???!!!

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

I didn't say "don't need a flash they could count on." I said "super specific flash needs," such as the very niche segments of the CLS from Nikon, like the macro adapters, master controller abilities, etc (which is superb - Nikon has the best flash system - period).

The lack of reading comprehension is disheartening, to say the least...

And the lenses you listed are *NOT* weather sealed. The mere presence of a rear gasket/o-ring doesn't indicate sealing throughout the lens - just do any google search instead of discrediting yourself further. Also, if you search at the same locations, you will see the price difference between the two 50 1.8's is $5 - selective sourcing of information is just petty and poor/biased reporting.

And just for fun because it is a legacy lens (the 77) that was made for film, and has a 100% metal barrel. Some people prefer near perfect construction to silence. And you'd be foolish to claim the IQ surpasses the 77 - a lens compared to the likes of Zeiss/Voigt.

Comment edited 13 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 28, 2012)

Same could be said about the lack being able to see things outside of the Pentax-WR-bubble!

B.t.w. how a simple bounce-flash is something super-specific? Well, perhaps it is with the Pentax because none of the Pentax bodies I had were able to meter adequately once the flash-head is pointed elsewhere but directly "in da face".

0 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Aug 28, 2012)

@alexeyga - Why don't you take your equipment (whatever brand it is) to Afghanistan for six months, and then get back to us?

No brand is perfect, but you buy into a system and take its pros and cons. Nikon and Canon tend to have a few "loss leader" lenses like the new 85/1.8, while Pentax tends to have more reasonable pricing throughout their system. Whether or not Nikon or Canon takes a loss on these lenses is immaterial - the point is that there are only a few high-value lenses, and then where do you go from there? Into the land of $2000 lenses. At least with Sony you get some really exceptional glass (e.g. 135/1.8 or wide angle lenses) for your $2000 - good enough to make you consider a Sony body just to get it!

When Nikon releases the 85/1.8 you tend to say to yourself "Oh thank you, Nikon, for this great gift!" because you know it's not normal for them to offer reasonable prices like this.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 5 minutes after posting
5 upvotes
mbpm
By mbpm (Aug 28, 2012)

@alexeyga, "what's the point of WR lenses"? Wow, you Sir are the worst troll I've ever seen in a long while... -_-
Granted, you had the balls to post such a stupid question, I'll thus try to 'enlighten' you.
People invest in WR DA* lenses because they need a tough, reliable, lens that can give you just about the same image quality as a Canon L lens. Oh, did I mention that most DA* lenses are compact and light weight? Think about that whenever you are hiking a 9 mile trail in the mountains, but I am sure you won't because you're a moronic dillberry couchpotatoe who drools on everybody's business like a skanky bureaucrat.

Watch this if you need to be further 'enlightened'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR-f5QDHD98&feature=g-hist

2 upvotes
JacobSR
By JacobSR (Aug 29, 2012)

@alexeyga
I believe The lenses you mention are full frame and were originaly made for Pentax 35mm film cameras.

0 upvotes
zxaar
By zxaar (Aug 29, 2012)

@alexeyga can you name ONE brand that has all the lenses weather sealed. If not then ....

0 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

whoa, we have a "I've been betrayed!!" former Pentax user over here!

"Just so you know, all PRO-level CaNikon gear is sealed, they just don't make a lot of fuss about it so that idiots like you don't start taking shower with their gear." - alexeyga

Yup, to the point that they probably should've added a little acronym to indicate WHICH ones are ACTUALLY WR. Check up the list and see that not all Canon L lenses are sealed, and so are Nikon Gs/Ns.

For the DA 50 f1.8, that' price is going to go down in a few months, that's for sure. Though I agree with you on the point about the SDM - it's failure-prone. Strangely all of Heie's DA*s are unaffected, so it probably also takes into account the user's vitality/constitution score? (this one just joking!)

But all in all, the point of going Pentax is because we believed it's the best system for us out there, for our money. If it didn't suit you, well sorry buddy. Hope you're having fun in Canikonland :)

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

@alexeyga

oh, and one more thing... I agree with Heie on the Nikon flashes, they're the best really, the entire Nikon flash system. But how often do we see the more common DSLR-wielding person attaching an external flash? I've seen moms and dads in huge graduation rites popping up their little in-body flashes with their kids a hundred meters away, with 18-200 superzooms mounted...

Only those more knowledgeable in the technicalities of SLRs make that external flash purchase.

1 upvote
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 29, 2012)

@ JacobSR
The DA equivalents of these lenses (DA21/DA40/DA70) that were made for the cropped sensor aren't sealed either and these are among the best examples why somebody would choose Pentax. Beautiful, compact lenses with great IQ. But without the WR that the Pentax community is so proud about!!!

@ zxaar
Easy - GoPro!!! )))

Seriously though, no company offers a full line of sealed cameras and lenses. In CaNikonSony land it's the pro and wannabe-pro level stuff, top of the line Olympus as well. But no company besides Pentax is trying to differentiate it-self from others by availability of WR while not even half of lenses in the lineup is actually sealed. And no other community but Pentax is so anal about it.

"Wooohaaa!!! I can't take a decent photo for sh@t, but I can now take a shower with my camera!!! this is the best camera for the money paid!!! Wooohaaaa!!!!!"

Comment edited 54 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 29, 2012)

@ Alizarine
Funny thing is that for you money you're still better of looking elsewhere. I've bought into Pentax back when it actually was an affordable alternative to big boys. But somewhere along the way Pentax has decided that they can now play on the same field with CaNikon price-wise without being even remotely close in terms of quality and choice of products offered.

If you've been with Pentax for the last 5-10 years and have got some good lenses - it would make sense to continue sticking with it if you don't have any "specific" needs.

But buying in from scratch, side by side with CaNikon, in the lens department Pentax sucks balls. Last time i've checked a used MF 300/4 on Pentax-forums was selling for more than Nikon's AF-D 300/4... And if for the price of brand new Pentax DA*300/4 I can get a brand new CaNikon 300/4 (IS) that focuses a gazillion times faster and AF doesn't fall apart... well - in my books, Pentax can go hang it-self.

Comment edited 47 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 29, 2012)

In Pentax's books, the feeling is mutual.

3 upvotes
mbpm
By mbpm (Aug 29, 2012)

@Heie2 and pretty much everyone reading this thread, with years of experience with dealing with trolls I have finally learned that one simply can't reason with them. They will try to tediously point out every little imperfection about something good. Trolls like alexeyga are like 5 year-old brats who distaste the idea that the majority of people are happily living their lives. In this case the majority of us own and enjoy our WR lenses (yeah, even the cheap-o SMC 18-55mm Kit lens).
Granted, the higher-end DA lenses are more expensive, but alexeyga is mad because his mother can't afford to buy him one.
Give it up alexeyga, your done. Just admit that Pentax makes great lenses and move on with your life.
If you're too arrogant to see this...then you're truly a first class-gold-special-medalist troller. Alas, the only way to kill a troll is to starve them to death.

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 6 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 30, 2012)

Amen, good Sir.

2 upvotes
MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (Aug 28, 2012)

Nice job. Nothing really new IQ-wise comparing K-30 to K-5 and K-01. Mere nuances as to be expected. The Pentax sensor team should be applauded for coaxing better images from the Sony sensors than either Nikon or Sony themselves. Gives one hope that they will elevate the 24MP Exmor to new heights in the upcoming K-5+.

3 upvotes
awaldram
By awaldram (Aug 28, 2012)

Considerably better sealed than the d7000 is :)

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/d7000-dissection

As you can see some rudimentary sealing round the switches and that your lot.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
3 upvotes
sadwitch
By sadwitch (Aug 28, 2012)

Very nice indeed, besting the canon 60D and nikon D7000 in terms of detail retention and clarity at higher ISO. Seems like their jpeg engine is giving the bigger boys a run for their money. Also, I'm surprise to find is that the Olympus-E-M5 is almost as good if not a whisker better up to iso1600.

Comment edited 54 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

I'm not so sure about that (K-30 besting the 60D and D7000 in IQ), but seeing it coming close is a good thing already, for a camera that's one tier lower than the two.. though of course, it's a year or two younger so it's expected somewhat :)

0 upvotes
sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 28, 2012)

For the price, This camera can't be beat. Pentax is on a roll lately, delivering some fine cameras. Whether it beats the D7000, its hard to tell with the NR in raw, I would prefer to apply my own NR. I'm assuming it can be shut off. While the D7000 is sealed, it is not up to the standard of the Pentax line. When you consider the in body VR, the build and the price, a great camera.

3 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Of course it beats the D7000 - by $500!

4 upvotes
Prognathous
By Prognathous (Aug 28, 2012)

How can you tell that the K30D weather seals are superior to those of the D7000 (or 60D for this matter)?

0 upvotes
sandy b
By sandy b (Aug 28, 2012)

I have no idea if the seals are better on this camera. But every other Pentax has superior sealing, so I am assuming this one does too. And I am not dissin the D7000, I still think as an overall package it is one of the best cameras available. But props to Pentax for consistantly delivering great cameras. By the way heie2, the D7000 price is under $1000.00.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Hmmmm apparently there's a $200 instant rebate that just took effect...was not aware of that :)

But the K-30 is still the better deal ;)

1 upvote
Mr AB
By Mr AB (Aug 28, 2012)

indeed, D7000 accordingly with nikon site http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25468/D7000.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-Overview , is "superior weather and dust seals ", not water sealed. Moreover, at least pentax have also WR lenses at a good price (even though the quality is not the best). Canon 60d is even worst sealed than d7000.
Anyway all of them are great cameras.

Comment edited 35 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Model Mike
By Model Mike (Aug 28, 2012)

I think the differences between the K-30 and the K-5/ D7000 are likely to be small. What makes Pentax unique are the pancakes. Once bitten, smitten... the K-30 is also that bit smaller and lighter than the K-5.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
2 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (Aug 28, 2012)

D7000 is now available for $829.00

2 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Hmmm...seems Nikon is trying to compete with the K-5 and K-30....

Makes me think of the old Walmart commercials where they slash prices like crazy lol...

The D7000 is a great camera. But it was always competing for second best APS-C against the 7D :)

2 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Aug 28, 2012)

D7000 competes with K-5 - both are now discontinued and due for some kind of replacement.

0 upvotes
disasterpiece
By disasterpiece (Aug 28, 2012)

I'm in for my first DSLR and this seems quite a treat - near D7000-like sensor (or maybe better) for less than 2/3 of its price. I'm only concerned about optics I'll be using.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 42 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
koseng
By koseng (Aug 28, 2012)

If you can afford the limited primes, consider the 31, 40 and 70mm. Otherwise check out the sigma zoom 17-50 f2.8.

Pentax is the only company that dedicates their lens lineup for APC-S sensor. So there is no need to worry about optics.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Aug 28, 2012)

Seems to me that the results are noticeably /better/ than the D7000.

2 upvotes
disasterpiece
By disasterpiece (Aug 28, 2012)

I've heard good things about the Limited series of Pentax, but they seem to be quite above my budget. A rough estimate: If I'm going with Nikon, for the price of the 31 1.8 I'd get the 50 1.8D, AF-S 70-300 and a short zoom, which are what I'm planning to begin with.

1 upvote
Essai
By Essai (Aug 28, 2012)

just go with Nikon, the D7000 is currently $829.00 and the 35 f1.8 is $199.

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Get the K-30 + 18-135 ($1196) + 50 f/1.8 ($220) + 55-300 ($350) which the lenses come to *cheaper* than the three you mentioned above (as long as you get the K30/18-135 bundle).....only now you have a weather sealed kit and better IQ. Oh, and the 50 f/1,.8 (and every other lens you put on the Pentax) will be stabilized - no picking/choosing/paying extra for stabilization - it's in the body!

Did I mention it would still be cheaper?

2 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (Aug 28, 2012)

the 18-135 is probably the worst kit lens ever made. Take a look at the review on photozone.de and the 55-300 is also a POS.

Pentax dont have affordable decent lens.

0 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

@Essai

fellow fanboy on a mission, from what I read of your posts :)

well, so far from the REAL-WORLD users of the 18-135 and 55-300 (the latter which I have), I've yet to see a very grave complaint.

It's so nice of you to rant and conclude on the performance of something you probably don't even have, or have used... While it's true that the 18-135 isn't one home-run of a lens, it's not as bad as you think, nor is it the ultimate letdown as some review sites and their "scientific tests", reliable as they are, say.

As for your Nikon suggestion, how much would disasterpiece need to make the D7000 a fully-weathersealed pack? Nikon doesn't have an affordable WR lens. 1 O-ring doesn't make a lens WR.

1 upvote
disasterpiece
By disasterpiece (Aug 29, 2012)

D7000, $830, where's that? Excuse me for the dumb question, but I only see a one-grand offer in BHPhotoVideo. Plus, although I have a guy that can bring me something from the USA (as I live in Eastern Europe), I'm a little concerned about the warranty - does Nikon's 2 year apply worldwide?

0 upvotes
Robbie Corrigan
By Robbie Corrigan (Aug 29, 2012)

@esai
55-300 far from being a pos. Well built and well rated by those who actually go out and take pictures instead of trolling. I regard it as one of the better lenses in its class. S!

1 upvote
Jonathan Lee
By Jonathan Lee (Aug 28, 2012)

thank you dpReview for the samples.

from my monitor, the iq of k-30 is seriously closed to the FF from the big two, at fraction of the price.

this might changing my mind on waiting on the 800d.

5 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 28, 2012)

@Jonathan

If you're not aiming to make big prints, the K-30 is more than enough. But when it comes to ultimate IQ for work that goes to huge print ads and stuff like that, FF (and Medium Format) is still better than the K-30 (or any APS-C cam for that matter)

great to know dpR hasn't given up on making another Pentax review :)

2 upvotes
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (Aug 28, 2012)

Alizarine, what is "huge print and stuff like that"? A billboard size poster? Is that big enough? For those, alas, super high resolution is irrelevant — a 6MP image will suffice. Will you create monthly covers for Vogue? For the glossy cover of Vogue, 8MP will do.
The problem is, even for those "big" applications, your gear already outmatches their real world technological needs.
Only 'need' that must to satisfied through such jargon you implied is that one of insatiable vanity, and for that common disease, no camera sensor and no camera model in the world is good enough.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
8 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Easy Tosic...

Alizarine only meant that for most applications cameras are *usually* used for today (i.e. facebook, flickr, and other on-screen photo sharing), the K-30 is more than plenty and you won't notice that much of a difference between it and FF's (like the D800 and 5DIII, save for depth of field differences). But even with prints up to 20x30inches (50x75cm-ish), the absolute max most people even consider printing, the K-30 is adequate. I personally have done a print at twice those dimensions on each side w/ a 14.6mp APS-C and had a stellar print. But to go super, super large and beyond that, ultimate resolution will be much better/higher on the print from FF and MF cameras. He never implied he personally needed to satiate such "insatiable vanity." But that isn't to say it can't be done with lower mpx cameras, just the quality will be lower at those sizes. You're completely correct: 8mp is overkill for most things, thus validating Alizarine's assertion that the K-30 is plenty.

3 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Aug 28, 2012)

@Alizarine - I don't think DPR ever looked like they'd given up on reviewing Pentax, but rather Hoya looked like they'd given up on making cameras!

Now that Ricoh's in charge and new cameras are coming out, DPR seems quite happy to review them!

0 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

@Zvonimir Tosic

As much as technicalities agree to what you said, which is true (technology being overqualified for the "real-world need") advertising agencies and almost every client push that need up.

One can't simply say "All you need is 8MP for this magazine cover" to a fashion magazine exec who's paying thousands of dollars for every set a photographer does. As little as they probably know about photography, they want each and every good bit out of every cent they pay... If, say, Benjamin Kanarek (a known Pentax pro) could shoot all he does with a K-x, then why would he need a K-5?

Because if that were the case, then there wouldn't be a need for "pro-level gear" at all... All we'll have are Rebels and D3200's and K-r's. As Heie stated above, I was pointing at people's purposes, not the "technical need"

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

@DStudio

Hoya sold off Pentax because they got what they wanted.. Good point there, actually got pretty scared with the sale! Still waiting for the 645D review though... it's been quite a while. Also waiting for more Sony reviews :)

1 upvote
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

@Z. Tosic

*correction: "common people's purposes, not the "technical need" or "industry output requirements"

0 upvotes
Camediadude
By Camediadude (Aug 28, 2012)

Me gusta..

3 upvotes
utphoto
By utphoto (Aug 28, 2012)

The RAW comparisons for judging sharpness can be misleading. The individual optics will play a significant role and if you move the cursor to various points around the studio shot, you will find locations where any given camera and lens combination will be sharper than others. Example: Compare the upper right corner of the Queen card. The Pentax is sharper when comparing the 650. As for the comment regarding the 650 being sharper, on a calibrated monitor you'll find it is noisier at ISO 100 than the K30 and particularly so in the grey/black test sections. Check out the detail on the black threads or the grey and black squares. The dark noise problem with Canon sensors is precisely why for night sky photography I got rid of my 5D2 and went to a K5, which uses the same SONY sensor as the K30, to the best of my knowledge.

9 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Aug 28, 2012)

I changed one of the cameras in the comparison tool to Panasonic GH2 (my camera). The GH2 is sharper than the K-30, although the GH2 has more noise in raw at ISO 3200. Do I care? No.

I'd like a DSLR again (sold my Olympus E-510), and the K-30 interests me. But all the talk of which camera has ultimate IQ, etc., well, it's a little overblown. All of these cameras take fantastic pictures. It boils down to what features you want. My GH2 takes pictures as nice as this camera in real life, I'm sure, but I would like the responsiveness of a DSLR from time to time.

1 upvote
kewlguy
By kewlguy (Aug 28, 2012)

I don't see K30 has better IQ than T4i. At base ISO the 650D/T4i is sharper (check the RAW comparison). Also, Pentax likes to apply NR in raw files above ISO800. The 16MP sensor is good at high iso, why the raw NR? I prefer to keep all the detail intact and apply the NR myself...

1 upvote
Raist3d
By Raist3d (Aug 28, 2012)

Actually Pentax does NR coming ISO 3200, not ISO 800. The RAW NR can be beneficial if they are doing a very low level RAW noise reduction. BTW, Canon also does per pixel RAW noise reduction.

I say if this lower level noise reduction works due to the extra data at the moment of the capture and gives good results, why not?

Comment edited 28 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
walberty
By walberty (Aug 28, 2012)

The T4i is a cool camera, with great features and performance, but I think it is a stretch to say it is better than the K30 especially with regards to Noise. You have to give Pentax some credit here regardless of your brand affiliation.

10 upvotes
gl2k
By gl2k (Aug 28, 2012)

Noise at higher ISO looks less "organic" due to RAW NR but it doesn't seem to hurt the overall sharpness.
Pretty impressive.

Question is : Can Adobe RAW or any other RAW software do a decent noise reduction job on these preprocessed files ?

2 upvotes
kewlguy
By kewlguy (Aug 28, 2012)

walberty: read again. I said the T4i is sharper at 'base iso'. I did not say T4i wins in term of noise - only that K30 should not have NR in RAW! Brand affiliation? LOL I could not care less about such a foolish statement as I use more than one brand...

2 upvotes
walberty
By walberty (Aug 28, 2012)

Oh, clear as a bell. Got it.

0 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

DPR - Please do the correct thing of classifying this as the same category as the Canon T4i. While the K-30 has significantly better IQ and will compare to the K-5 and D7000 for overall IQ, classifying it at those levels will cause it to be improperly scored compared to the T4i - it's main competition.

12 upvotes
iudex
By iudex (Aug 28, 2012)

I completely agree. K-30 is a entry-level DSLR for Pentax. Just because Pentax does not have a peer to 1100D does not mean it is a mid-level camera like D60. That it has some features of these cameras and in some aspects outperforms them is just the advantage of Pentax but it should not handicap K-30 by comparing it to middle class DSLR´s. (Not only) in my opinion K-30 is competitor to D5100 or 650D and it should be assessed relatively to these cameras. Putting K-30 alongside D7000 or D60 is unfair fot Pentax and the score may not be as high as it should be.

2 upvotes
leventhan
By leventhan (Aug 28, 2012)

K-r is the entry-level dslr from Pentax. And like dpreview said the other day, 650d sits between the entry-level and mid-level, so you could call it a hybrid camera. The same thing is applied to the K-30.

2 upvotes
hjr13
By hjr13 (Aug 28, 2012)

The kr was discontinued and replaced with the k30.

1 upvote
Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Aug 28, 2012)

Makers like messing line ups but that's no excuse for lowering standards, leventhan.
With its lack of rear dial 650D is still that consumer/entry level model. 1x00D serie is just even more stripped down old tech model for kicking people up from compacts.

Pentax has somewhat different product line up but in there K-30 fits somewhere above entry-elevel.

0 upvotes
Prognathous
By Prognathous (Aug 28, 2012)

The 650D and K-30 are priced the same. There is no better comparison. K-r and 1100D are irrelevant here.

1 upvote
Maxfield_photo
By Maxfield_photo (Aug 28, 2012)

This is an interesting point, how do you classify this camera? There is some general consensus among the Pentax community that this camera is the successor to the K200D. Like that camera, it's water proof, and where as the K20D has a top LCD, this one does not, much like the K200. This may signal that Pentax is returning to a 3-tiered APS-C lineup.

So the lines of succession would look like this:
K2000D (K-m) > K-x > K-r > K-01?
K200D > (nothing, this generation was skipped) > K-30
K20D > K-7 > K-5 > ???

The K-5 has been officially discontinued, presumably to make way for a new flagship APS-C to be announced at Photokina. It's unclear whether the K-01 is meant to be seen as the successor to the K-r, so there may or may not be a new entry-level DSLR on it's way. The Q is it's own mount as is the 645D, so they don't really enter into the equation.

I do agree though, the T4i is this camera's main competition and possibly the D5100 (5200?), not the D7000 and 7D.

0 upvotes
Esa Tuunanen
By Esa Tuunanen (Aug 28, 2012)

Now doesn't that mean Canon being overpriced with its lack of rear dial and weather proofing, Prognathous?

Manufacturers don't price their products basing to only cost, features or position in line up but also based to what they think they can get from consumers.
So let's keep features as primary classifier instead of blind staring of price: While performance wise K-30 seems to be positioned at level of 650D let's remember it has also some higher end features.

Anyway with their weather proofing at lower price point than others Pentax has always gone their own road and might be restructuring feature sets inside line up so blind staring of price tag only and declaring full equality basing to only that is plain blind.
(though it sure favors Canon nicely...)

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (Aug 28, 2012)

Agree, we got that slightly wrong. I have changed the D7000 for the D5100 and the 60D for the 650D. That said, in terms of studio scene comparison that won't make much difference as the 5100 and 7000 have pretty much identical image quality as have the 60D and 650D.

2 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Thank you Mr. Rehm - much appreciated.

Can't wait for the full posting :)

1 upvote
rockylui
By rockylui (Aug 28, 2012)

Hi Mr. Rehm, Thanks for your attention to this issue~
But the more important thing is to change the benchmark category for K-30 in its upcoming official full review report to the same category with 650D and D5100.
Thanks~~

1 upvote
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

Thanks for the change Mr. Rehm, that was a great move for those who want to make same-level comparisons across systems.

1 upvote
raimaster
By raimaster (Aug 28, 2012)

with OVF pentaprism 100%, WR body, dual dial, per lens AF adjustment, focus peaking and superb IQ but price of mid-level K-30 is obviously the king of mid-level camera.

9 upvotes
Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Aug 28, 2012)

having a prism viewfinder for a camera in this class is a serious advantage over the dark and tiny mirror viewfinders found on other cameras in its class.

9 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Despite an $850 launch price (and now $750-799!!), nothing $1000 and under even compares. Pentax hit a home run with this one.

And you forgot to mention how compact it is, as well as In-Body Image Stabilization that works on every lens mounted on it ;)

7 upvotes
dark goob
By dark goob (Aug 28, 2012)

Yeah it's pretty good. I still think Sony A65 / A57 are fair comparisons though. With A65 you get AMOLED viewfinder, and rotating screen, much faster performance... but Pentax gives you weather-sealed body, much better high ISO, optical finder, more of a traditional DSLR. I'd go with the Pentax, I think there are better lenses too... I love the D* pancakes. Too bad they have few dealers in the USA.

3 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Aug 28, 2012)

Pentax used to be running with Champions in the film era.

I wonder what happened...

Reasons:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Pentax users please don't get upset and blow your top. Truth hurts.

It used to be a very very good brand of a camera.

.

5 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (Aug 28, 2012)

They start using Samsuck sensors, should have kept the Sony one's

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 8 minutes after posting
1 upvote
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (Aug 28, 2012)

Toy like, low-end impression cameras (but in fact they are excellent cameras) paired with insane lens prices.
Talk about dissonance, a superb supertele attached to a red plastic camera...

2 upvotes
Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Aug 28, 2012)

very slow to adopt new technologies.

2 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

Ummm....did you miss the K10D, K20D, K-x, K-r, K-7, K-5, and the K-30?

Pentax may not produce the volume the big two do, nor the variety, but you can rest assured that Pentax has, is, and will continue to produce class-leading products at a class-leading price. The only reason right now the other two should be enticing to anyone is FF availability. I would agree that Pentax's marketing and availability are severely limited. However for purely APS-C shooters, Pentax is the best bang for your buck today and has been for the last few years - and by far too when you consider, ultimate IQ, Dynamic Range, weather sealing and durability, compactness (bodies and lenses), innovation, and total price across the entire system. The only two serious holes in this field is super telephoto and tilt-shift (not needed by 90% of APS-C shooters). This is not about fanboyism, but pure logical and analytical cost-benefit analysis. I challenge you to do so objectively - surprise will not be unique to you.

12 upvotes
rockylui
By rockylui (Aug 28, 2012)

In my opinion it has done nth wrong, just the industry has changed. In the film era maybe a market share of 10% already can reach the "Economic of scale", but after the digital era came the R&D is so high that the Economic of scale uplift to a say 30% market share, so only the top 2 can be profitable......

Comment edited 27 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
T3
By T3 (Aug 28, 2012)

Pentax wasn't "running with Champions" in the film era. They were way behind back then. Here are a few reasons why:

1. Poor AF sensor technology. For example, Pentax's last flagship film SLR, the MZ-S, had only 6 AF points. And none of those AF points even lit up on the focus screen to indicate which AF point was actively locked on. Meanwhile, Canon had 45 AF points which lit up red to indicate which AF points were being used.
2. No Image Stabilizer lenses. Big disadvantage.
3. No "sonic" AF motors. Sonic motors are the fastest and quietest AF lens motors. Canon had Ultrasonic Motor lenses. Nikon had Silent Wave Motor lenses. It wouldn't be until much, much later, in the digital era, that Pentax would get their Supersonic Drive Motor lenses.
4. They focused more on inexpensive consumer products, not pro level products. As a result, they basically had no presence in the pro segment.

Fortunately, they've made significant improvements in the digital age.

4 upvotes
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 28, 2012)

1 reason I know and am sure of is that they overlooked the importance of marketing and advertising, which caused their decline over the years. Canon and Nikon never lost their touch with the market due to that presence. C/N was everywhere-posters, magazines, and put their cams in movies, even up to now.

2 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (Aug 28, 2012)

Saying things like "truth hurts"... are you trying to deliberately antagonize Pentax users?
FTR, Pentax was not "running with Champions in the film era", they were known as one of the Big Four.
Many things happened, including in the film era when they weren't really playing at the top level (I'm talking about the small format, since they obviously had the medium format as a "pro" option). Their most successful cameras were for the masses.
This is amazingly similar with their current situation; no small format pro camera, medium format available. Then, what are you complaining about? :p

P.S. Pentax *is* a very good brand, and the K-30, an amazing camera.

1 upvote
Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (Aug 28, 2012)

Not really. Pentax used to rank about Number 5 in the film era that I know, 70s and 80s, i.e. the last among the major brands in terms of reputation and prestigae. It was first Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Olympus and then Pentax, which is considered good value for those seeking cheaper SLRs, including students.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
1 upvote
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (Aug 28, 2012)

Was Pentax really the 5th? Do you have any data to show to us?
Anyway, Olympus simply gave up when all the others introduced AF cameras, thus losing their place.

0 upvotes
Professor999
By Professor999 (Aug 28, 2012)

@ Boerseuntjie,
Pentax used to use Samung sensors e.g. K7.
K5 and K30 use Sony sensors.

1 upvote
D1N0
By D1N0 (Aug 28, 2012)

I do do get upset by ignorance and stupidity. Just can't help it.

0 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 28, 2012)

The reality for Pentax is somewhat less bright than the Pentax crowd wants to believe.

Yes, latest Pentax bodies have awesome IQ, but you guys tend to forget, that for any serious photographer a camera body isn't nearly as important as the glass that you attach it to and here's where anybody willing to invest into Pentax will hit a brick wall. Lenses are rarely available and are severely over-priced while not being even close technologically to their CaNikon alternatives.

Speaking about brand new, how stupid somebody has to be to pay 250$ (Adorama) for the Pentax SMCP-DA 50mm f/1.8 that is not sealed (so much for the WR-hysteria) and has the screw-driven AF when Nikon's Nikon 50mm f/1.8G AF-S that is sealed by design, has faster, more accurate and quieter AF sells for 216$???

Hey Pentax boys, why don't you - just for fun - find out how much Nikon's 85mm f1.8 AF-S lens goes for these days and why somebody should go for the 77mm LTD instead at twice the price? With NO WR???!!!

2 upvotes
alexeyga
By alexeyga (Aug 28, 2012)

No to mention the stone-aged AF and a very unreliable flash work with Pentax cameras. Damn, a D70 (2004) can handle a flash better than all new Pentax bodies all together.

2 upvotes
garyknrd
By garyknrd (Aug 28, 2012)

Heie2, this guy is a joke. The only camera that is not a POS is the K-x and Maybe the K-30. or the K10d. I did not own them. The others were horrible against the competition.
Fanboys like this is what gets new consumers in trouble and makes them choose the wrong brand. Fanboyism is not a good thing in my opinion. It is a physiological disorder of some kind. Stupidity is ramp-id here this guy is a prime example.
Back to the K-30. If the AF is FIXED which I doubt. And reports have pretty much confirmed it is pretty bad against the competition. Then it is a winner. That will come out in a short time. With testing.

3 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (Aug 28, 2012)

The number of trolls this camera attracts is a sure sign it's viewed as "dangerous" by those folks. Just sayin' ;)

4 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

@ garyknrd

I can't tell...are you talking to me, or about me? Because if it's about me, then I'd very cautious about continuing with the notion that:

"The only camera that is not a POS is the K-x and Maybe the K-30. or the K10d. I did not own them. The others were horrible against the competition."

Please refer to my list above, most notably (and most recently, in case you missed the memo) the K-5. Seems a look in the mirror is in check to see where it's so "ramp-id."

3 upvotes
leopold
By leopold (Aug 28, 2012)

Alexeyga,
you can't compare a Mass market lens like the Nikon 85mm/1.8 to the FA77mm Limited!
The Pentax FA77Ltd is not an ordinary lens, it's made of metal like old lenses and have particular characteristic and beautifully crafted lens and was introduced in film era!

It's like comparing a Timex (Nikon) to a Rollex (Pentax)!

1 upvote
Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (Aug 29, 2012)

The general consensus with most seasoned veteran photographers when I talk to them, is that Pentax never really catered to the pro market despite many using their LX, ME and so on cameras back in the days of traditional photography, in terms not of only of cameras but also services. And that's when they started lagging and continued to do so. It used to be and it still is a very good brand of camera. In my opinion, the Kr blew it's stablemates out of the agua in features as a photographic tool. As a video tool is a different matter but at that prince point where was for example Canon and Nikon's 6 fps and use of all legacy lenses with no adapters? And in my experience I felt that the focussing was faster than its stablemates too, with the kit lens. So.....

Comment edited 30 seconds after posting
1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 29, 2012)

Boerseuntjie:

And now you're wrong about recent Pentax dlsrs, anyhow Samsung does a really good job with those sensors in Samsung NX series cameras. The NX100 is stunning with a good lens, which Samsung also makes.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Alizarine
By Alizarine (Aug 29, 2012)

By alexeyga
"No to mention the stone-aged AF and a very unreliable flash work with Pentax cameras. Damn, a D70 (2004) can handle a flash better than all new Pentax bodies all together."

What do you mean by "handle a flash" here? Alas, even the D5100 cannot use its built-in flash as a master controller while the K-x can, and the D5100 is a higher model than the Pentax!

@HowaboutRAW

I agree with the quieter shutter sound of the Nikon. Even the D3100 is quieter than the K-30 (I've tried both personally)

@garyknrd

I think you missed the part where dpReview gave the K-5 a Gold Award and the Nikon D7000 just a Silver one?

1 upvote
rockylui
By rockylui (Aug 28, 2012)

Dear dpreview,
I want to suggest that the Pentax K-30 should be classified as COMPACT DSLR instead of mid-level DSLR. I think that it will be more fair to it, as its street price is the same with D5100 and 650D. It seems very unfair and irrelevant for readers to have it compared with D7000 and 60D which are definitely a higher class in the market (in terms of price).
Thanks!

5 upvotes
robbo d
By robbo d (Aug 28, 2012)

Or is that just a compliment to it..................???

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Aug 28, 2012)

Except that like the D7000 the K-30 is very good in lowlight; here the Pentax may even best the Nikon.

And the Pentax K-30 has serious weather sealing; the Nikon does not.

Then, I believe, the K-30 has contrast AF for use during video shooting, don't think the Nikon has that feature.

The shutter and mirror of the Nikon are less audible and I believe the Nikon has a screen atop the body, for faster settings change.

1 upvote
rockylui
By rockylui (Aug 28, 2012)

Haha, yes it maybe a compliment, but the consequence is that it will get a lowered score in the conclusion benchmark chart.
Maybe dpreview is to consider its rich features and a weight of 650g for putting it to mid-level. But to me an over-equipted and over-weighted Toyota corolla should still be compared with other COMPACT sedens like honda civic and ford focus instead of benchmarking with honda accord or ford mondeo......

3 upvotes
robbo d
By robbo d (Aug 28, 2012)

Yes agreed, no matter how its scored its a damn fine camera at the price.
I have a fair bit of trust that dpr will give it a fair trial. The K5 & Kx reviews scored pretty high.
I think the x5, photokina revelations n the K30 marks a significant move forward especially with renewed retail approach to marketing.

0 upvotes
zanypoet
By zanypoet (Aug 28, 2012)

"Featuring weather resistant capabilities, new mid-level DSLR is the perfect creative companion for active travel and outdoor photographers"

Well, if you read Pentax' own press release, they classify K-30 as mid-level DSLR. Great sensor, pentaprism, improved AF & IS, 6FPS, improved live-view all points to it being more of mid-level and less entry-level. Nice camera for the price; usually if you wait, price gets even better as currently flagship K-5 street price is only $30 more than that of K-30.

1 upvote
Then4
By Then4 (Aug 28, 2012)

From the studio samples it really perform well.

1 upvote
droid56
By droid56 (Aug 28, 2012)

The are not up (at least on my computer).

0 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Aug 28, 2012)

It's good to see the results right away, before the review is complete. It will be interesting to see how it goes if the other pieces roll out bit by bit - it sounds like DPR will roll this one out in more than two phases!

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 28, 2012)

That's the idea. Adding to previews incrementally will allow us to get you more data, quicker. Our reviews take a long time because they're extremely thorough but we're working on ways of publishing content following the preview, and before the point where we're confident on signing off on a full review.

2 upvotes
DStudio
By DStudio (Aug 28, 2012)

Sounds like a good plan - I think it will be an advantage to your readers. Certainly these studio samples have helped already - it looks like a strong showing, especially for such a reasonably priced camera.

2 upvotes
joshh4000
By joshh4000 (Aug 28, 2012)

now $785 in melbourne, oz. (camera action)

1 upvote
h2k
By h2k (Aug 28, 2012)

I understand that "rolling out" the reviews (first time here?) will bring review parts forth quicker and i understand readers' yearning for DPR quality reviews.

Still i wonder if the final review - rolled out over a span of time - has the quality of an old-fashioned review that had been posted in one installment at a relatively late point in time. What if at the last installment you re-consider things already posted in a previous installment? You might want to revoke statements? You could change statements of course, but how will you communicate that?

It feels like your way of "rolling out" reviews - faster as it is - kills second thoughts and reconsiderations.

To deliver something quickly, you could, as you started to do some time ago, post
- test samples uncommented
- post a first impressions report

There are so many quick-shot reviews, often bland or wrong. I do like the well-considered DPR reviews, and i'll happily wait another month for them. We have enough rush elsewhere.

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (Aug 28, 2012)

I don't care how long it takes as long as it's objective and accurate to its competition, which I think in the haste it took the T4i to get completed, it was incorrectly scored (too high).

5 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Aug 28, 2012)

@h2k - all content posted prior to a full review should be considered as preview content and changes may be made before final publication. That said, we'll only be publishing pre-review content that we're very confident about.

0 upvotes
Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (Aug 28, 2012)

The "full" review now are missing quite a number of tests that used to be included.

OVF comparison is mostly gone now. Shutter sound recording is no more as is IBIS test, JPEG compression test.

1 upvote
Total comments: 144