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Aug 22, 2012 at 22:00:00 GMT

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Pentax has announced the X-5, a 26x superzoom built around a 16MP backlit CMOS sensor. The X-5 is designed to closely resemble the company's K-5 DSLR, despite being based around a 1/2.3"-type sensor. The lens offers a 22.3-580mm equivalent range, backed up with sensor-shift image stabilization. It can capture 1080p30 movies and features a selection of the multi-shot and image processing modes that have become common on CMOS-based cameras. It features a tilting 460k dot rear LCD and 230k dot electronic viewfinder. It is powered by AA batteries, giving around 500 shots per charge when used with NiMh rechargeable cells.

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Press Release:

PENTAX Introduces New X-5 Digital Camera

Versatile 16 megapixel BSI CMOS point-and-shoot digital camera features a powerful 26X super-telephoto zoom lens as well as convenient tiltable LCD monitor

Denver, CO (August 22, 2012) – PENTAX RICOH IMAGING AMERICAS CORPORATION today announced the introduction of its PENTAX X-5 digital camera, an ideal choice for photographers who want to easily capture beautiful, high-quality images of a wide variety of subjects and scenes. Featuring a powerful high-magnification optical 26X super-telephoto zoom lens, the new PENTAX X-5 provides photographers with a focal length of 4mm-104mm (22.3mm ultra-wide angle to 580mm super telephoto 35mm equivalent). Coupled with the camera’s Macro mode, which allows photographers to capture dramatic close-up images of subjects as near to the lens as 0.4 inches, the X-5 delivers an extensive range of creative photographic possibilities.

“The new X-5 features classic PENTAX styling. It is the ideal compact travel companion for photo enthusiasts who want a digital camera with them wherever they go that’s capable of taking every type of image from gorgeous portraits, to scenic landscapes to extreme close-ups and more,” said John Carlson, Sr. Manager of Sales and Marketing, PENTAX.

And for effortless image composition and image playback, the PENTAX X-5 also features a large tiltable 3.0-inch, high-definition LCD screen that offers sharp image viewing, even in bright sunlight, while allowing users to shoot from high and low angles to keep the subject neatly framed in the image area. By combining a state-of-the-art image processing engine and back-illuminated CMOS image sensor with low-noise, even up to ISO 6400, and approximately 16.0 effective megapixels, the PENTAX X-5 provides users with very high-resolution images.

Additional features include:

State-of-the-art imaging engine, supported by Super Resolution technology
Supported by the latest Super Resolution technology, the X-5’s imaging engine offers outstanding image-processing performance to produce clear, high-quality images with well-defined details. In addition, the camera’s Handheld Night Scene shooting mode helps the photographer capture blur-free nighttime images by taking multiple images at once and blending them into a single composite picture.

Triple shake-reduction technology for sharp, blur-free images and video
The X-5’s triple shake-reduction system couples the PENTAX-developed mechanical sensor-shift-type SR (Shake Reduction) mechanism with a digital SR mode for stills or movie SR mode for video to more effectively compensate for camera shake. This hybrid system assures the photographer of sharp, blur-free images and video even under demanding, camera-shake-prone shooting conditions, such as when using a telephoto lens, shooting with incident light in poorly lit locations, or photographing sunset scenes.

Electronic viewfinder
The X-5 features an electronic viewfinder with diopter adjustment for a clear view of the subject even under bright sunshine. This comes in handy when shooting a subject in harsh backlight or when the photographer needs a more solid hold of the camera. Its diopter adjustment mechanism assures the user of the clearest view of both subject and viewfinder display, while minimizing eye fatigue during extended shooting sessions.

Full HD-standard movie recording for extended recording of high-quality movies
The X-5 features a Full HD movie recording function employing the h.264 recording format. The user can capture high quality, extended movie clips (1920 x 1080 pixels at a 16:9 aspect ratio) at a frame rate of 30 frames per second. The camera also offers creative movie playback features, such as High-speed Movie mode for slow-motion playback and Time-lapse Movie mode for fast-forward playback, and features a micro-HDMI terminal (Type D) for the output of recorded movies and sound to external devices.

User-friendly Auto Picture mode for hands-off selection of the best shooting mode
The X-5 features the PENTAX-original Auto Picture mode, which automatically assesses the subject’s conditions and selects the most appropriate shooting mode from 16 distinctive shooting options, including Landscape, Portrait, Candlelight and Pet. It even comes with an Auto Macro function, which automatically switches the focus mode to Macro when it detects the subject is close to the lens.

Quick-set mode dial for delay-free selection of a desired shooting mode
The X-5 lets the user quickly and effortlessly select the desired shooting mode — from a total of 10 modes including the hands-off Auto Picture, Scene, Program, Manual, Landscape, and Handheld Night Snap — with a single turn of the mode dial, without having to access the on-screen menu.

Additional features of the PENTAX X-5 include:

Powered by easy-to-obtain AA batteries
Remote control operation using a PENTAX optional remote controller
High-speed burst shooting of up to 10 images per second, for a maximum of 30 images in a single sequence
12 digital filters including Miniature and Toy Camera to add creative touches to captured images
A range of creative image processing tools including Stretch filter, Small Face filter and Collage function
A choice of three aspect ratios (4:3, 16:9 and 1:1) to accommodate specific applications
Image viewing, editing and filing software included: MediaImpression 3.5 for PENTAX (Windows version compatible with Windows 7) and MediaImpression 2.1 for PENTAX (Macintosh version compatible with Mac OS X 10.7)
Compatibility with Eye-Fi wireless LAN SD memory cards

Pricing and Availability
The new PENTAX X-5 will be available at retail outlets nationwide and online in September 2012 with a suggested retail price of $279.95

Pentax X-5 specifications

Body type
Body type	SLR-like (bridge)
Sensor
Max resolution	4608 x 3456
Other resolutions	4608 x 2592, 3456 x 3456, 3072 x 2304, 3072 x 1728, 2592 x 1944, 2592 x 1464, 2048 x 1536, 1920 x 1080, 1024 x 768, 640 x 480
Image ratio w:h	1:1, 4:3, 16:9
Effective pixels	16.0 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors	16.4 megapixels
Sensor size	1/2.33" (6.08 x 4.56 mm)
Sensor type	BSI-CMOS
Image
ISO	Auto, 100, 200, 400,800, 1600, 3200, 6400
White balance presets	8
Custom white balance	Yes
Image stabilization	Sensor-shift
Uncompressed format	No
JPEG quality levels	Best, Better, Good
File format	JPG (EXIF 2.2) DCF 2.0, DPOF
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)	22–580 mm
Optical zoom	26×
Autofocus	Contrast Detect (sensor) Multi-area Tracking Single Face Detection Live View
Digital zoom	Yes (7.2x)
Manual focus	Yes
Normal focus range	40 cm (15.75″)
Macro focus range	1 cm (.39″)
Number of focus points	9
Lens mount	Unknown
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCD	Tilting
Screen size	3″
Screen dots	460,000
Touch screen	No
Live view	Yes
Viewfinder type	Electronic
Viewfinder resolution	230,000
Photography features
Maximum aperture	F3.1 - F5.9
Minimum shutter speed	4 sec
Maximum shutter speed	1/1500 sec
Exposure modes	Program Aperture Priority Shutter Priority Manual Movie Scene Custom
Scene modes	Flower Blue Sky Sunset Night Scene Night Scene Portrait Fireworks HDR Surf & Snow Baby Kids Pet Food Digital SR Stage Lighting Text Museum Digital Wide Digital Panorama Frame Composite
Built-in flash	Yes (Pop-up)
Flash range	9.1 m
External flash	No
Drive modes	One shot Continuous Shooting Burst Shooting (L/H) Self-timer Remote Control Auto Bracketing
Continuous drive	Yes (10 fps)
Self-timer	Yes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes	Multi Center-weighted Spot
Exposure compensation	±2 (at 1/3 EV steps)
Videography features
Format	Motion JPEG
Microphone	Mono
Speaker	Mono
Resolutions	1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1280 x 720 (60, 30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps)
Storage
Storage types	SD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage included	75. 3 MB Internal
Connectivity
USB	USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMI	Yes (Type D)
Wireless	Eye-Fi Connected
Remote control	Yes (Optional Remote O-RC1)
Physical
Environmentally sealed	No
Battery	Battery Pack
Battery description	4 x AA batteries (Alkaline, Lithium, Nickel and Rechargeable Ni-MH)
Battery Life (CIPA)	330
Weight (inc. batteries)	595 g (1.31 lb / 20.99 oz)
Dimensions	119 x 86 x 107 mm (4.69 x 3.39 x 4.21″)
Other features
GPS	None

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Total comments: 409

According to imaging-resource.com the X-5 does not support Aperture- or Shutter priority. What a waste.

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Looks a lot like the old Olympus C-8080 WZ from 2004.

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With all due respect Rob, I beg to differ! I was just using my trusty old 8080, (my main camera now heheh) and while some general characteristics such as those of the overall shape and some of the outlines/locations of controls are roughly shared (as they seem to be on the majority of superzooms, bridge cams (or 'prosumers' as they were known in that era) and small dslr's), I don't think that they are really TOO similar. But, everyone's eyes are different that way and it is subjective I realize, so perhaps it is a bit like a Roscharch inkblot test lol!

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I actually meant the comparison as a compliment as I really loved my C-8080. The form factor is very close but of course the X-5 is tarted up with the latest technology making it a much nicer camera. I'm sure it will be well loved too.

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Indeed, I assumed (though I try not to assume) that it was complimentary! (being a huge fan of the 8080, for me, any comparison to it is a compliment in my mind (except perhaps compaisons to its operating speed lol)) I also am optimistic about this Pentax. We shall what the reviews, user reports, and the images have in store for us ... no one can say that these aren't great times to be in the market for a camera!

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I find it rather amazing, that the announcement of this Pentax superzoom has generated more comments than the Nikon Android compact, and more than ten times as many comments as the simultaneously announced Olympus superzoom. We've seen so many of this kind of camera, from Fujifilm, Panasonic, Canon and others. What is it about this one that got people talking?

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"Pentax"

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If you ask me, probably the form factor, the ergonomics, the AA batteries, and the fact it's Pentax re-entering this segment at the price it is. All combined.

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Yes, because it's Pentax — a company common users don't understand immediately, yet it is the company that produces a more lasting effect. Pentax has thoroughly defined the shape and function and magic of modern day cameras, and their lenses too.

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I was about to post about the sheer number of comments on this item, but Revenant got there before me hahah nice observation there buddy.

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easy to understand:

Below average/boring camera = negative comments = tons of Pentax fanboys replying to each negative comments = lots of posts

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easy to understand too:

Below average/boring camera (from Canikon) = negative comments from Canikon fanboys = Pentax fanboys agree the same = just a few posts

so probably, when Canikon makes a below average/boring camera... well, it IS one. Not worth that much talk. lol! :))

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Sadly, Pentax kinda reminds me of the now defunct Kodak. It is headed down the same road IMO. A giant that has now fallen and never to return to its previous glory.

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Ummm....did you miss the K10D, K20D, K-x, K-r, K-7, K-5, and the K-30?

Pentax may not produce the volume the big two do, nor the variety, but you can rest assured that Pentax has, is, and will continue to produce class-leading products at a class-leading price. The only reason right now the other two should be enticing to anyone is FF availability. I would agree that Pentax's marketing and availability is severely limited. However for purely APS-C shooters, Pentax is the best bang for your buck today and has been for the last few years - and by far too when you consider, ultimate IQ, Dynamic Range, weather sealing and durability, compactness (bodies and lenses), innovation, and total price across the entire system. The only two serious holes in this field is super telephoto and tilt-shift (not needed by 90% of APS-C shooters). This is not about fanboyism, but pure logical and analytical cost-benefit analysis. I challenge you to do so objectively - surprise will not be unique to you.

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I have never owned a Pentax camera but I completely agree with you.

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I have an articulated screen on my Canon G2. I never really liked it. I agree with ET2. Its really not where you want it to be. You can use it to take self portraits though :)

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I wonder if it is a typo from DPReview, but the size of the X-5 (with lens) is exactly (on the mm) the same size as K-5 (without lens).

If it is true, then thats too good to be a coincident - it must have been made by choice by Pentax.

Or maybe its a typo? The guy holding it in the image we have seen must be a giant in that case.

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ahh dang whichever company started making tilt screens popular (i think it was sony).

tilt screens seem kind of like a really bad middle ground. most, if not all, don't tilt enough to be particularly useful, but they're still thicker than regular screens. especially on a non-pocketable camera like this, what difference does a few mm make to accommodate a fully articulating screen that actually offers some more usability. it's not like it's going to be the difference between it fitting in your jeans or not.

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Not everyone likes GH1 type articulating screen. The problem with those LCDs is that they stick to the side. The screen is not inline with the lens. I find them awkward to use. You have to look at the side. Another problem with them is that they aren't that good with waist level shooting Rollex style.

I find tiltable LCDs, like on Nex and A500, much better.

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I agree that a fully articulating screen is nice, but I think the tilt screen is still flexible. one thing it would allow me to operate the camera from waist level. Which it's much more convenient and comfortable than arms length. There is more balance and stabilization, especialy with the long zoom.

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I wonder if the X-5 has the same sensor as the Pentax Q. The Q has outstanding IQ relative to it's sensor size, so a camera with such a long zoom might be interesting. I wouldn't buy this because there is no raw, but I'm curious for future Pentax cameras.

Speaking of the Q, I still cannot believe that DPR has no intention of reviewing the Pentax Q. All the generic cameras they review, yet the first ILC to feature a BSI 1/2.3" sensor, a camera loaded with features and a first rate build quality and because of some assumptions about sensor size and the Q was essentially ignored by DPR. Talk about dissing both readers and Pentax. Oh well, at least we've been consistently updated on what's happening at Instagram or with the latest Samsung P&S.

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Dpreview has indicated I the past they organize review cameras for reviews by expected readership interest. So, I imagine, they believe (maybe correctly) there's not enough interest in the Q. Looking at the sensor size comments of many one may have to agree.

But also that was then and when the Q was also much higher priced. Price has come way down, I think makes for a more interesting propitiation. And there's some more people I see popping up now with one.

Maybe dpreview can review one. I honestly don't expect much to get past the small sensor mentality but over the years I have seen dpreview give more priority to the whole as a tool and not just focus on the particular sensor. Which is kind of weird That in the end anyway the Q sensor performs rather well, in its class

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I'm still waiting for the 645D review that was promised almost a year ago.

Quote:
"We wanted to see how practical it was to use the 645D 'in the field' as a replacement for a smaller sensor SLR, and - aside from an aching shoulder after a day of lugging it around - we were pretty impressed with what we saw. Until we get the 645D back into the studio to complete our testing, check out our quick 24-shot gallery after the link"

Guess that camera wasn't important enough.

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"I wonder if the X-5 has the same sensor as the Pentax Q."
Wonder no more.
The Q is 12.4mp, the X-5 is 16mp.
Clearly not the same sensor. And very probably much lower IQ.

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I dont think the Q has a magic sensor. That would be highly unlikely. The small sensors today are simply rather good, I would guess. So, if Q takes better images than other small sensor cameras, then its probably lens quality and focussing quality. And maybe its the horrible noise reductions they add to most compact cameras.

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The Q doesn't have a magic sensor but it does indeed has a very good sensor in it class. It's not just the lens and focusing quality- check the DXo results. As an LX5 owner I can say the Q does a notch better sensor wise than the slightly bigger LX5.

We really need to stop looking at the sensor size in isolation and realize different companies making sensors have moved forward at different speeds. Remember the Q sensor is Sony's. Sony is known for making some rather good sensors no? (K-5's, Olympus EM-5, K-01, Nikon D7000…)

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Things I like:

6400 ISO
22 mm wide angle lens
Manual focus
1 cm focus range in macro
3" tilting screen!
EVF viewfinder
8 white balance presets
Above average 9.1 m flash range
10 fps continuous drive!
Full 1080p (30 fps) video
Wireless EyeFi and optional remote
Up to 500 shots on NiMh AA batteries (also see negatives)

Things I don't like:

No RAW capture
"Only" zooms to 580 mm
F3.1 wide angle aperture - F2.8 would be nice
1/1500 sec max shutter speed
4 sec min. shutter speed
No external flash mount
Mono microphone
A battery pack might have given it more battery life

These negatives are mostly nit picks, and can be forgiven for the $279 asking price. The 1/1500 sec max shutter speed is inexcusable though, as 1/2000 sec should be bare minimum. On the whole, this camera has a lot to offer: the 22 mm lens, tilting 3" screen, 10 fps drive, and 1080p (30) video are all just about unheard of at this price. As a Pentax, it should have lower noise levels as well. We'll see the test results!

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Good list. I am right there with you on the shutter speed, how hard is it really to provide a higher one (I am really curious, because I haven't the foggiest about such a technicality..)

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Browsing through the comment threads here proves to be rather amusing .. the gems to be found never disappoint. At the same time, it is also a rather somber (and sobering) experience. This perusal of the un-profound which abounds here helps to makes it easier to see just how far we have travelled to reach the state in which we are currently in, what with our grossly explosive overpopulation, and our shedding of blood over invisible, 'all-powerful' beings in the sky ... not to mention over imaginary dotted lines on the land. The conclusion I have reached here this time around is that feeble-mindedness will never be in short supply, as long as humans continue to walk this Earth.

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I agree with just about everything you said, however, I believe you have chosen the wrong forum to express your views. Such said things may not be understood by the "un-profound" or the "feeble-minded." Or maybe they just don't care? But when they do, they spew vitriolic acid in every direction, yes. However, this is a forum for photographic discussion, not one for the commentary about the "all-powerful beings in the sky", or the people who got you riled in the first place. I would say to all: "Tolerance is King." I've said my piece. Peace friend. :)

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@ Camediadude: I guess when you have nothing whatsoever to say about a newsy announced digital camera, you are left with attacking those who do, hmmm?

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If Canikon made this same camera for the same price, all the internet trolls would be dead silent. Oh, that's right, Canikon does make cameras just like this. See...

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Trollingly right, spot-on!

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Didnt notice until now that the MSRP is 280 USD.

Some of the recent "affordable" super-zooms have ditched the EVF. Which is bad since a super-zoom really need an EVF.
Also the lens being F3.1-F5.9 instead of the typical F3.5-F6.3 is a small step in the right direction.
1080p@30 fps is allright if not exceptional.
Tilting 460k LCD is not bad at all.
Has an analog dial.
And does the ring around the lens control focus or zoom ?

All in all, the price a quite reasonable for what you get.

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You are right. Low price and the name will prompt buyers to give it a close look. The EVF will influence some buyers, too, even though the "need" tends to fade after one discovers, in practice, that what you see through it may not be very bright or clear.

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I would take a dim evf over an impossible to see in daylight lcd any day of the week. Having used the fz-35s evf for a long time, I can say its def better than lcd.

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Just use a so-called "LCD viewfinder" accessory, some of which can now be had starting at US$45 and up. It converts your LCD screen into an LCD EVF, and provides a point of stability when hand-holding the camera as well. An LCD screen outdoors without this is pretty much totally useless for anything, he-he-he.

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2009 Sont HX1 was f/2.8-5.6 and current Panasonic FZ200 is f/2.8 throughout the whole range. However, at this price point this camera is definitely a strong option among SZ cams.

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Just for a sanity check the Pana Fz200 w. constant F2.8 aperture costs 600 USD at Amazon.

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Re. Panny Lumix DMC-FZ200, that is the list price.

As soon as the camera starts shipping on Monday, 27 August 2011, expect the street price to drop down dramatically. It will probably start at around $500 right away, and then go down somewhere to the $450 to $499 level by the end of September-early October.

I am getting one soon -- I definitely need the constant F2.8 max. aperture and the amazing focal length coverage for video apps.

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And of course its Aps-c?

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Of course not.

"The X-5 is designed to closely resemble the company's K-5 DSLR, despite being based around a 1/2.3"-type sensor."

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looking at the size and bulkiness of this, it's a pity there isn't a larger sensor. sure, it's priced and aimed at a certain market, that knows nothing of sensor sizes... but surely they could save even those from themselves, as it clearly portrays the illusion of higher end, and considering it's only a few bucks extra to put in, say, a 1/1.6 (at the very least - I dare not ask for a 1"). 1/2.3 are so cheap now, they get them for next to nothing... but I find it so disappointing. and this goes for all the other manufacturers too, not just pentax.
ps: love the aa batteries thing though. haven't seen that in a long time.

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In reality this camera is not so bulky and big - http://www.pentax.ru/galleryimage/optio/X5/Stephane_2.jpg

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We need an optics guy to comment. With superzoom the focal plane needs to stay ASAP (as small as possible) to have consistent IQ across the range. This puts a squeeze on small sensors to deliver.

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wow its so small. kawaii

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@ Timmbits: Pentax X-5 is probably too bulky, too heavy, and too pricey for your own photographic needs. And it has a sensor that is too small. Not a good match, for sure.

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The number of tools inhabiting these forums is nothing new but the nastiness is always a surprise. The main thing about haters, tools, fools and idiots though, is that they don't actually know that they are those things - not very redeeming. To deliberately judge a camera out of context and then laugh at it is a sign of immaturity, stupidity or perhaps just points to a lack of ethical substance on the part of those doing it. People like that also tend to be uneducated and revel in their stupidity like it's a virtue.

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Thank you, from a fellow camera nut that is sick of it. I was so tempted to say something similar, but held my tongue. More than once or twice here I have had some imbecile say something nasty to me when I did nothing to them, or to any other poster. All I do is comment and at times critique dpreview or the subject matter, but I really have been trying to remain respectful. Then you have some of the immature people here who want to drag this all down to the level of school yard bullies.
And, what I cannot comprehend, is that these are CAMERAS.. inanimate objects... and when one has never even handled it yet, how can the camera in question fill that person with so much rage, mockery, arrogance, and idiocy?

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so much hate in your post, its hilarious. Are you also a Pentax fanboy who thinks he has to defend every pos made by them ?

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Thank you for demonstrating our point Essai ... Ok, you can come out of character now!

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Bossa and Camedia,

The view on the world differs widely, I can see. Yes, there are lots of people that don like the camera Pentax just announced, some even make fun of it and of Pentax. But .... just as you say. The camera is just an object and Pentax is a big company that can take care of itself.

I dont see the necessity to be so upset that you are. Just let it pass by if you dont agree.

Or simply disagree, and tell us why you like this camera. I have done so and I have get no nastiness back at all.

have fun!

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Well, Pentax sure got us talking, there is no denying that!

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bossa, promise everyone you'll actually buy the camera. If admiration is not strong enough to open the wallet, then there is scarcely any practical difference between your love and others "hate." Is there? "Deep in the heart" sentiments won't help Pentax anymore than ones that are "deep in the sigmoid colon." Pentax seeks, let all recall, a "kick" in sales.

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My love? I never mentioned love of the camera and you are just proving the point that a line of logical argument around here is impossible. I have a K-5 & D800E with swags of lenses but I can still see how the camera in question might be just what someone is looking for. That's not for me to judge.

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and the answer is.... YES, he is a Pentax fanboy on a mission !

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You are an idiot

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@ bossa: Since you have obviously NOTHING to say about the Pentax X-5 camera whatsoever-- do us all a favor, and just zip it, huh? Who really wants to read various and sundry moanings and groanings, you think?

@ Camediadude: Too bad you had nothing whatsover to say about the camera one way or the other, either. Thanks for your post, though. Very informative!

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I see no pertinent content in your post, either, Francis. Just your usual irritability. Obviously there is a place for criticism, and some cameras are even risible, but most aren't, and companies usually have some idea what customers like.

This is not an enthusiast camera. It is a cheap superzoom with decent specs for the price. The styling is a little silly, but there may be buyers who think a superzoom styled like a dslr is perfect. It's not as if competing models are any more attractive.

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Good point there by Essai, but every brand has its league of fanboys don't they? I'm sure Canikon has more... =))

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I like to read through all these forums quite often but have never made a comment, until now that is. If there ever was a troll, Francis Carver, you are IT! Consider yourself honored that you brought me out of my silence. Pentax is a good brand and you spend your valuable? time bashing them for no apparent reason. Trust me people, look around these forums, he trolls anything with the word "Pentax" in the title. Dude, get a life!

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Oh No! Not another X camera! ;)

Actually, it looks like they're trying to attract people that couldn't afford the OM-D (silver model) with some identifiable similarities. Why not go with the 'look' if it helps sales. :)

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Pentax is actually continuing it's tradition with silver bodies. This X5 reminds me of the famous MZ series back in 90s. Take a alook at this image:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/attachments/expired-listings/66277d1279116664-sale-expired-pentax-mz-5n-zx-5n-film-body-worldwide-imgp7271.jpg

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I think the X-5 should remind you of the silver K-5 ;)

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... finally an tele zoom for my Q :D, albeit sans TV and AV mode .... thanks Peter_Burian :)

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The Q handles so nicely and with IBIS...the perfect OM-D replacement. :P

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Ultimately it will come down to "is it affordable? useable? are the images pleasing?" And so far, in theory, it looks like Pentax is ticking off those boxes.
Look at the shots in the link that bb42 mentioned just below, here it is again
http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/x-5/ex/
Yes, upon close inspection you will not mistake it for a DSLR ... but Pentax never made such a claim!
I think it looks pretty favorable compared to other compacts and superzooms. Look at the detail on the bug, look at the reflection of the photographers in the chipmunk/squirrel guy's eye. Not bad.
I think Dpreview is partly to blame for this hate, for trumping this up as "dslr-like" in the title and again in the descriptions. That stokes the insecurities of the haters, who are loathe to think that this single-lensed guy who comes in at a fraction of the price of their own gear could possibly rival them. Well fear not, as it was never meant to do that. Just accept it for what it is, and breathe, and relax!

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that's just megapixels talking in bright sunlight.
but look more closely at the hues in the pink flowers... very noisy. I guess it is aimed at the casual photographer and tourists.

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I looked again, it really does not look bad to me! To each their own.

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@Timmbits

at this price point and sensor+lens combo, I somehow expected that. Probably would rage the world over if it was from a Canon G1X.

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Not sure how to contact DPReview, but this camera does not have Aperture or Shutter Priority mode. Here's what Pentax told me:

The X-5 does not have Shutter or Aperture Priority Automatic.
It does have PROGRAM Automatic with program shift and MANUAL Exposure modes in addition to the PENTAX original AUTO PICTURE mode and scene modes.

You can also save as the USER setting the exposure mode, either PROGRAM or MANUAL, the aperture or shutter speed you prefer, record menu settings, drive mode, focus mode, among other settings for quick access.

I hope this answers your question.

All the best

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My take is very, very simple, and consistent:

No RAW, no interest, no buy.
No viewfinder, no interest, no buy.

Got that in Japan at last? You delivered a half of "must have" features,
its a no buy.

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Hey RAW snob,

THIS CAMERA WAS NOT MADE FOR YOU. It was made for people who DON'T shoot RAW, which includes A LOT of people who don't comment at dpreview.

Got that at last?

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I enjoyed and laughed at your comment!

A suggested retail price of $280 means it will be around $200 in a year or so. Cheaper than peanuts!
I would think they will not have a problem selling it to its intended shoppers.

The digital camera revolution has been amazing.
I remember my first digital camera back in 1996 (I believe). It was an Olympus, 1/2 megapixel (yes 1/2 megapixel, not a typo), with a fixed lens.
Flash cards for cameras did not exist then.
Nevertheless, I was the envy of everyone around me who saw it. It was well over $500, then.

Now we have become arrogant and snobs.
This was not intended to replace a Canon 7D, or to compete with it!!

While at it, I'll add another "Got that at last?"!

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This is typical comment of a beginner. I know many pro photogs who doesn't always shoot raw. No viewfinder? Meet the great Daido Moriyama!

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this is really odd... you've overlooked that it is a TINY sensor... that eliminates it from contention for comparison with any more advanced features. why would you even talk about raw and a viewfinder when the base limits everything?
it's a mass market casual use and tourist camera!

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OK you don't want RAW -- but
it sure would have been great for those
of us who do.
I can live without an OVF in a P&S, but
RAW is a must for anyone who has gone beyond PS Elements

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Folks, the "no viewfinder" (that is, "no eye-level viewfinder") complaint would be legitimate -- except that this camera does have one. It's not a "beginner" thing or a "snob" thing, it's an "accessibility" thing -- there are a whole lot of people who essentially can't hold a camera at arms' length steadily enough to shoot, and a whole lot more who can't really see the rear LCD at the expected distance. (I happen to fall into both camps myself, but I worked in accessibility before I developed either presbyopia or Parkinson's.)

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It's a $250 amateur camera. NONE, I repeat, NONE of the people this camera is aimed at even know what raw it? It has a small sensor, why would you even want it if you are a raw snob? That's like asking why the cheapest econo cars don't have a leather seat option. What is wrong with people?

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When I want FF, I use a Sony a900.
When I want a P&S a small sensor is fine.
But when it's time for post=processing with either,
I want RAW.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would argue against
having a choice to shoot RAW rather than jpg only.

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This DOES, in fact, have a viewfinder. The fact that a superzoom bridge camera that costs $250 or so has an EVF seems pretty amazing to me (even if it is a bit on the low-res side). I'll admit that I'm a RAW shooter as well but I don't think the target audience will mind at all, especially since the jpegs look pretty nice overall. If they offered a souped up version similar to the XS-1 specs (with RAW of course), I'd be all over it.

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Here are samples from Pentax Japan:
http://www.pentax.jp/japan/products/x-5/ex/
So, at least in good light the IQ is on a level with larger sensor cameras.

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Those are impressive...

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I think my Sony tablet takes better pictures.

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I'm actually impressed. They are amazingly clean and detailed. Peole talk about the panny fz cameras, and I have the fz35 and I think this blows it away in terms of iq. The panny cameras are watercolor machines. The jpeg engine here looks impressive.

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This totally blows away the x90 too. I can't tell if these pics are full res, but they are impressive. Well done pentax!

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you have detail when contrast and saturation is high... but what about the hues? look at the bug photo, the horrible noise in the hues of the pink flowers.

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Funny sometimes the same people who ask "who needs so many megapixels?" are the ones to inspect the pixel-level so carefully...

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all those will look awesome over Facebook, which a lot of its targeted customers will probably post in.

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Those samples look pretty damn good considering how many megapixels they're cramming on that sensor. Hardly a hint of noise from what I can see. It seems like Pentax has really upped their game in regards to jpeg processing in camera. I'm actually impressed.

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From the comments it seems nobody anticipated a superzoom cam with an electronic viewfinder for under $300.

I think that's great and if you complain about Pentax x-5, my guess is you spent a lot more for a cam and your regrets are showing.

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It would be a gross exaggeration to state that this Pentax job has an EVF.

Although it is not even being mentioned in the Pentax press release or in the listed specs, DP Review claims the VF is a 230K resolution job. What is that good for -- you cannot even compose an image with something that putrid, let alone check focus.

An EVF today should have a pixel resolution of 1.44MP or better, not 230K. This is no longer the year 2002, after all. Of course, for a list price of $280, anything is good enough.

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Why don't you ask Leica, they just put a 230k screen on a $2500 X2. This camera is $275! Jebus people, did you not grasp the price point?

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@ Cane: You either claim a price for the X-5 that is too high. Or one that is too low. Never the right one.

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The X2 is around $2k or, in other words, 8 times the cost of this camera. Most if not all camera makers leave out the EVF for cameras in this price range or even up to twice the cost but Pentax included it. Bravo Pentax. A low res viewfinder is better than none at all. Leica, honestly, is out of their minds. Yes, they produce a picture that is marginally better (at low ISO) than the competition due to their glass but at what cost? $2k for the X2? Sorry, I'd rather use that money for the Ricoh GXR with M-mount lensor! Anyway, the point is, there was no EVFs in 2002 Francis and while 230k is not so hot, it still worked well for the Sony R1 which was a enthusiast to professional level camera. Like I said before, any EVF is better than none at all.

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Pentax Q , then the K01 and now this !

Wtg Pentax !

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Oh the humanity, a $275 camera that doesn't have every bell and whistle under the sun. What is Pentax thinking? Actually, what are you thinking?

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I don't know what all the commotion is about. OK, I do. Geeks want a better camera than this one. But it's cameras like this one that, at least in theory, that make companies like Pentax money so they can build and sell the more enthusiast cameras.

So...does this camera actually have the ability to be manually zoomed, or is the rubber-looking grip around the lens barrel just for aesthetics? I'm betting the latter, but if it can be manually zoomed (or even focused), that would be pretty cool for an inexpensive superzoom, and certainly a differentiating selling point. I'd expect that from Pentax.

EDIT: examining the product photos closer, it appears the grip is just for show. All bling and no zing. Too bad.

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It seems you're right, considering the W and T marks on the grip switch.
The fake zoom ring is really stupid .. so we're left with Fuji, which is not a real problem, only the 22 mm would've been nice.

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"So...does this camera actually have the ability to be manually zoomed, or is the rubber-looking grip around the lens barrel just for aesthetics? I'm betting the latter, but if it can be manually zoomed (or even focused) . . ."

The specifications list above clearly statess, "Manual focus | Yes."

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Manual focus is entriely different than manual zoom. The P510 for example has manual focus... but it's not manual zoom.

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I know it has a W/T zoom toggle switch; I was just wondering if it had manual zoom as a option.

The lens barrel could also have been a manual focus ring. But since it appears stationary, I'm sure manual focus is achieved using a button and the rear dial.

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Oh no someone made a camera that isn't exactly what I would buy, I will go cover myself in sackcloth and ashes and wallow in agony with the lepers!

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You can do that. I'm going to go post pointless rants on the internet!

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Me too, Andy! Let's beat up on little Pentax, just for the heck of it!

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Buy a Fuji HS10/HS20 for less and call it a day.

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Not disputing which is actually the better purchase, but neither of those cost less. Pentax X-5 MSRP is $280, while Fujifilm HS cameras are over $315 at reputable retailers. The HS10/HS20 are also discontinued, no?

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The Fuji lacks hi-speed burst, remote control option and most of all the 22 mm wideangle.

The Fuji S-1 has a larger sensor and likely better IQ, but weighs 300g more, is much larger - and has a 24 mm wideangle as well.

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@ bb42 -- only a 24mm wide-angle on the Fujifilm X-S1, huh? It's for the dogs, surely.

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You have not even compared their images yet. Your bias is showing.

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My first digital camera was a superzoom, now I use dSLRs, but I still keep a superzoom. They can be very useful for certain situations.

My preference though would be for better IQ from a larger sensor -- 1 inch or even 4/3. Obviously zoom range would be reduced, but 12x would be plenty enough for me. That would not really be a super/mega zoom, but my sense is that it would sell because photogs always value good image quality above all else. Oh, and it should have a manual zoom too.

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Too bad "photogs" are probably <1% of the market.

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Why do we have to read so much crap in the postings? Many sentences with nothing concerning the camera...

Just some replies to the most unuseful postings:
A bridge-camera with a handle... because you could hold it a lot better then a common super-zoom. A bridge-camera with an electronic view-finder... because sometimes it's better than just a little monitor. A bridge-camera that looks like a dslr... why not? Perhaps there are people who like the appearance of a dslr, but don't want all the possibilities. I could continue endlessly.

I will not buy this camera, although I'm a Pentax-fan. But I would like a camera with much more possibilities (I hope a K-3 is coming). But some of you should be aware, that not your untechnical opinion on such a camera is decisive, but the opinion of the buyers.

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Could not agree more.
Yes, I am a Pentax user (K-5) but also owner and user of many other cameras, from Fuji "bridge" to Bronicas and Rolleiflex's
This camera is not the end of Pentax, but a new beginning.
It is at the end of the day a rather nice small cheap bridge camera, that once people actually see the results, more than just another "bridge". My S5000 had only a 1/2.5" sensor, but what it could and can do is surprising. This will be the same.
My primary Digital will still be the K-5, with the K20D as backup for work (yes Pentax can do pro jobs too) with my Lumix LX-5 as my pocket camera. But I would consider this as a replacement to my S5000, and have fun using it.
Ahh fun, is that not what Photography is all about?

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New beginning? I don't know, I think this may be overstating things. This appears to be a more attractive looking & aggressively priced successor to the (apparently) slow-selling X70 and X90. I fear that a large percentage of this sort of camera are sold in big box stores, where like any Pentax, this camera is unlikely to be stocked.

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@Andrew ng,

FYI, Pentax is changing to retail again and many reporting seeing them in stored again and precisely why this camera is here on the market.

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"Suggested retail price of $279.95."

You certainly get what you pay for here, for sure. Well, maybe a little less.

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Troll-tastic.

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How, exactly, are you getting less for the cost Francis Carver? Name one, just one, camera at this price that has the same features. You know, I don't even know why I'm even started replying to you. YOU ARE THE TROLL OF TROLLS!

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Aha. I missed there's no raw. Thats a bummer

Anyway for those interested Pentax Japan has some samples up. The image quality seems ok for the price. If you ate postin for the web it's fine. If you ate going to pixel peep, expect not much more than the usual, but the price seems fair.

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Lets see. A quarter of a thousand postings here already. Must be interesting news.

Its a super zoom. All super zooms have small sensors.

It imitates a "real" camera. So what? Thats fashion right now.

It has a reasonable price. Dont really know what to do regarding this. Is that a minus?

I cant personally see in what way this release disturbs me. Surprises - yes - but disturbs - no.

Hmmm ... if I owned one I would probably use it.

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The nastiest things in life hardly ever disturb us.

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This is one of the nasties things in life?

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Really don't understand guys who design and sell this crap. But - as Hank Moody says - s**t happens.

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Please tell me,

Did somebody ask for this camera to be manufactured?

These are the people who make the 645D. But products like these remind you how slowly things change. Affordable photography technology is falling way below Moore's Law for affordable computing. I genuinely thought by Photokina 2012 we would have ten M9 competitors at quarter the price. Instead cameras like this get churned out.

And I get the affordability issue but taken to a certain level, it means 'don't worry about quality because you are not paying for it'. And that's always a bit illogical, I don't care how little people pay for it.

Spock out.

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All the leading brands sell these kind of cams. It's a sizeable market.
I guess Pentax wants to be part of it. Sales and profit are what they are.
Quality, well, do we know how poorly or well made and what sort of quality images it produces.
Go to a tourist place and see those Panasonic's n Fujis everywhere.

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It's only fair that Pentax tries to get a piece of the pie, even a little one. Yes, it's 2012 and it would be a dream to have 10 M9-like cameras but that is a niche market anyway and DSLRs still rule the land. Bare in mind that camera makers still haven't figured out how to defy the laws of physics so bridge cameras will still continue to have small sensors. Small sensors are definitely improving substantially though, there's no denying that, and there will always be a place for megazoom cameras in the market (unless camera makers can figure out a way to create lossless digital zooms for pocket-sized P&S...not very likely). Maybe not many asked for this product but it'll sell, especially at the dirt-cheap retail price.

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Didn't Pentax get the memo-quota of cameras with "X" in the model name has been exceeded for the next decade.

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It's half as good as my X10!

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I can not, for the life of me, fathom this 'slr-like' class of cameras. Whats the point, really. They all have the small P&S sensors for crying out loud. Whats 'SLR-Like' about them...the body? then where does the 'bridge camera' gimmick come in? seriously. If anything, a large body must be required to house that zoom lenses but for all intent and purposes they should 'only' be called super zooms and nothing more.

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If I ever find myself on a bridge holding a bridge camera I know exactly what to do with it.

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Seriously. Who buys these cameras anymore??

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Azfar,
You and I Know that, but that's marketing.....

People who know no better think they look important and others who do know better, accept the benefits for what they are.

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Azfar,
You and I Know that, but that's marketing.....

People who know no better think they look important and others who do know better, accept the benefits or inefficiency for what they are.
Bridge camera was as far as I know because they bridged the gap between compacts and dslr.
Superzoom is now given to the compact style cams with say 10 - 15 x zooms.
Confused:....

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Well, lots of people can use a 22-560mm range and would like it in a small package.
Lots of people know what an SLR looks like and what to do with the eyepiece without knowing what SLR stands for. SLR-like tells people the expected way to use the object.

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Most disappointing is the fact that DP REVIEW itself leads off the article by stating that this little superzoom is "DSLR-like." How very disappointing.

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The comments on this are bordering on a comedy routine. It's a cheap $350 bridge camera, with specs like every other camera just like it, and you all act as if it's somehow a giant flop! Where you expecting a FF waterproof touchscreen camera with a constant F1.4 from 15mm to 600mm? This place is like a clown car.

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let me guess, you shoot Pentax ?

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I agree Cane. Clown car is putting it mildly. It's as bad as people arguing politics!

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Cane, before you say anything, why don't you at least READ FIRST (!!!!) what you are commenting about?

YOU SAID: "$350 bridge camera."

BUT THE ARTICLE SAYS: "Suggested retail price of $279.95."

Sorry, Cane, but $280 is NOT $350, you know.

Now, what was it that you were complaining about?

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Francis, do you even read Cane's post? His only 'complaint' was about all the whiny posts by people with unrealistic expectations.

Agree though, seems there are several posters here who seem to miss the budget-friendly MSRP in the article.

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@ Andy of the Big Apple: Cane went on the attack, lambasting everyone else commenting here. Then, he misstated the price of the camera he was commenting on by 30 percent. That sort of negates any value of what he might have been complaining about, right?

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Francis Carper said- "That sort of negates any value of what he might have been complaining about, right?".

Not particularly, no.

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@ Cane: since when is an MSRP $280 camera a "$350 camera," eh? What else did you get wrong about it, I wonder?

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Francis, doesn't it remotely occur to you that by correcting him on the price- which is lower than what he said at first, you are if anything, making a stronger case for his point? Can't you see this?

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@ Raist3d: No, I do not. And you do?

Anyhow, Cane now claims (see one of his newer postings above) that the camera (Pentax X-5) is a $275 camera. Yesterday he said it was a $350 camera.

There must be various editions of the Pentax X-5 at different prices, maybe that's what it is.

Raist3d: Cane had a "point?? What was it, do you know?

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LMFAO, Raist3d, that was great and 100 percent accurate. @ Francis, Cane's point was that many of you are making such a big deal about a small-sensored bridge camera that isn't significantly different that any other small-sensored bridge camera. What's the big deal, why all the hate when it's probably not relevant to you in the least? Oh wait, I can answer that: "Because it's Pentax". I think a lot of the Canikon fanboys on here have "little d*ck syndrome".

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If X-5 mantain the tradition of great image quality as K-01 and Q does, and at US279, this could be the best *entry level* super zoom available!

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Looking at the mode dial, it looks like this camera does NOT have AP or SP, just program, manual, and a bunch of scene modes.

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Well what do you want with a 1/2,33" Sensor? F8, F16? Its going to be soft as hell.

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Thats actually a good reply. I cannot for my life imagine what I shall do with an A mode. At max focal length its going to be 5.9 all that time, and at minimum focal length 4 or 5.6. P is good enough.

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> Well what do you want with a 1/2,33" Sensor?

I didn't say I wanted AP, I said it doesn't seem to have it as indicated in the specifications. I hope jumping to conclusions isn't the only exercise you get.

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Pentax made a mistake in the name. Should be 'Fireball XL5'.

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X-5 ?? Forgive me for thinking it was a replacement for K-5.

I think that naming it X-5 is a stab at all the "X"-named cameras from the other camera brands.

Nothing wrong with this camera per se. It is not for me, but for everyone in the market for an ultra-zoom with a viewfinder, why not ?

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the X is used as the previous bridge cameras were the X70 in 2009 and X90 in 2010 pre-dating the current use of X.

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Gross

Not only is it an ugly superzoom its also the most under-spec'd superzoom for a late 2012 model.

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It looks to me like a serious camera, intead of it limitations, not trying to be a fancy spaceship toy like others super-zooms.

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No RAW capture?
f3.1 - F5.9 lens?
No Hi-Res, articulated LCD?
No hot shoe?
No stereo video sound?

Really? Seriously? Are we still living in 2010?

Big Failure!

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+1
You forgot crappy EVF and AA batteries !

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At that price !
Hope the drugs your on are worth it.
Take a look at the price point of all the various Fuji models and what they offer. Have Pentax announced that this is a class leading high tech blow away the competition model ? No.
It's their sole entry into the market with several new areas that Pentax haven't been in before.
It will sell in low to average numbers enough to turn a profit or be a good test bed for multi burst low noise or fold out screens.
I hope you don't buy it as it appears you will be terribly disappointed. A reasonable number of tourist, holiday maker, newbies will, especially if Pentax continue with its new policy of selling in high volume retail shops.

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Sure AA batteries not everyone's cup of tea, but Sanyo eneloop are excellent performers and AA is available everywhere and all countries, so when your ni cad goes bad, what r you going to do ?
It's saved a number of people n allowed them to get going again.

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Nothing wrong with AA batteries. You just have to buy the low leak current ones - like Ready2go or whatever fancy name they have got. Thats a marketing failure if anything! Make a good invention and hide it behind dozens of silly names. A good computer controlled charger is also a must. But if you do those two things, its a very good choice. But .... if you buy el cheapo batteries and an el cheapo charger - it sux.

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guess ricoh really did kill pentax, shame cause the k-r was one of the best dslr i have ever used, and still think that it takes better pics than my 60d

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Just curious. How would you rate the K-30 against the K-r?

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What are you talking about? Ricoh Pentax has released now two cameras, this and the k-30, and the K-30 blows away your K-r. So the serious question has to be asked, are you high right now?

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So Pentax comes out with the K-30 which is way better than the K-r… and Ricoh killed Pentax again, how?

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K-30 is a very good camera. It lacks some serious stuff - but it is not meant to compete with K-5.

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Well Roland teah but nobody mentioned the k-5 but the k-r

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"guess ricoh really did kill pentax" Yeah, they released a high spec weatherproof DSLR for under $1k...what were they thinking?

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Looks a good camera, it has a bit more wide that the other brands, but to me the best choices for bridge cameras are the Panasonic Lumix FZ 200, with a great f2,8 lens all across the range and good built and features, and the Fuji X S1 for the bigger sensor and a manual zoom ring, it is well built and with good features too.

It will be good that they make at least the top bridge cameras with weather sealing.

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Agreed, Aleo, I am looking for a new camera and these are my own 2 top choices as well.

PANNY Lumix DMC-FZ200: Quite pricey for a 0./43-inch sensor superzoom, but like you said, it has a constant F2.8 optic. Also, it has an external 3.5mm microphone input jack, so you can record good quality audio with it. Basic and Advanced user's Manuals are now available on the Panny web site.

FUJFILM X-S1: Sensor size is 0.67-inch, same exact size as what the $40,000 shoulder-mountable pro video camcorders employ. No servo zoom, only manual. Unfortunately, the sensor is hardware faulty (blooming orbs), and the zoom lens can sag up to 5mm downward when fully extended to tele mode. With the X-S1, I can't help thinking that the one to get will be the X-S2 instead. Hopefully, that'll happen soon.

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Everything is wrong with this camera !

another DOA from Pentax, amazing...

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Man, not sure if it is the camera that has everything wrong...
I guess people will still buy Windows PC though Apple addicts will always say that everything's wrong about them...
Wait... maybe you're not alone on the planet! :)

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Another ignorant and pointless comment IZO100.
Is it born of hate of Pentax ?
It's not bringing any real new tech to the market but some to Pentax.
Will it outsell Fuji or Panny or anyone else ? no but,does that mean its dead in the water ?
So long as it sells enough to turn a profit and increase Pentax profile among non forum nit picking geeks, then its done a job hasn't it.
Market strategy is more than what most of us consider in the ultimate camera.
Maybe you wish to provide a decent argument or spread your ignorance elsewhere.

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I have a stalker, great. BTW I use to shoot Pentax.

Seriously, get a life and stop thinking Pentax is great. It's just a company, wake up.

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Lol, sounds like you love the Banter !
Yes I shoot a Pentax, but I am not using rose tinted glasses or wearing Pentax underwear !
I think Most all other cameras serve a purpose and are introduced for a purpose well beyond the average forum geeks personal interest.
It's just another camera but that doesn't mean its apiece of junk or the death Nell of the company.
So long as cameras sell at the right price and take photos is what the mass market wants, which is what this aimed at.

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@IZO100 , nobody said pentax is great. Its the thing that you are smoking making you believe that people are saying of that sort. Second, do you go out and buy every camera?? Its clear that this is not a camera for you. You can waste your time on other things after its just a camera and you do not need to die trying to tell it how much you hate it. No-one cares. (I cared enough to post this, but after this post you can go to hell, i won't give rat's A about it). Pentax won't go bankrupt if you did not buy this camera. Pentax also does not care about you.

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BTW, I used to shoot Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Praktika.
So long as it suits my needs. All good brands n products out there, I just don't go trolling n trying to antagonize people.

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IZO100's wife ran away with a Pentax employee and he has never gotten over it. Sorry for telling everyone, but I thought this should be made public.

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Robbo d...I think you need to look in the mirror to see a troll. People are free to comment on a camera without someone asking what drugs they are on, or that their comments are stupid. Get a clue. Blind defense of a camera (maker or model) makes you look the fool...not them.

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@mpeman.

Think yr getting your definition of trolls a wee bit mixed up .......

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The camera is what it is......not saying its the best or even great. If you read the original comments, people are presuming and expressing their own ignorance. Random uneducated and inflammatory comments deserve shooting down.
Read my comments in context and tell me I am blindly defending it. Not so, it could be a piece of junk, but chances are its a capable modern superzoom, not class leading, but then at 280 dollars its not expecting to be. It s most likely just plain good value.

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Nah. Part of the definition of a troll is someone who expects everyone's opinion to match theirs, and that anyone who doesn't is "stupid" or "using drugs". For some folks this camera doesn't make sense. Some like it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...not yours.

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The original comment was this:

"Everything is wrong with this camera ! another DOA from Pentax."

That is certainly not the case, at least not be most of the folks commenting on it.

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Not DOA...but certainly not what most posters here want. And it is teir right to say so and not be belittled. The fact is that this market is extremely small, no matter how you slice it.

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@ mpemam sez: "The fact is that this market is extremely small."

Well, considering that this particular camera is in the very segment that is by far the largest in the field of all digital cameras, you sure as heck do not seem to know what you are even talking about, hmmm?

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mpeman, actually, "a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Your partial definition is not correct. Going by your mis-information, you are actually the "troll". He only mentioned how pointless the comment was, and it truly was pointless

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I almost bought an FZ150, but then couldn't because they were out of stock. It might have been blessing in disguise. This camera might be the one for me.

I rarely learn even 1/2 of the functions on any camera I own, nor do I "spec out" the cameras, wishing I had more of this or that--except for a fast aperture, that is a legitimate concern.

If you're that guy who has to have the Nikon D800 hanging from his neck on the beach, this might not be the camera for you. But I bet it will work for a lot of people.

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The good: 22mm equiv. wide angle, AA cells (no addiction to proprietary models)

Less good: f/3.1 aperture, mono mic, no time lapse (which Pentax DSLRs all have), MJPEG only video (must be a mistake).

It has an EVF, which uses space, but is probably not very usable in practice, since the limited resolution and small image make it hard to see details or control focus. I'd also fear that the mic pics up AF and zoom sound.

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All the ultrazooms can benefit from an EVF.
Due to the long reach of the zoom, you need all the stabilising you can get.
Hence large grip for a firm hold, and OIS, and an EVF that aids keeping the camera still when you use your head as the "third arm".

Low res EVF simply comes with the teritory as a low price point is an important parameter in this segment.

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I'm with JesperMP on this, an EVF is a really nice feature to have and really all megazooms should have one, especially considering how easy it is to get a blurred photo at such an extreme focal length. I know that many of my pics would be blurred if it weren't for the viewfinder (IS is a help too).

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A DSLR-like superzoom with a 1/2.33" sensor.
'nuff said.

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Go have a look at Fuji, Panny, Canikon.....etc. They all do it. Is this news to you ?
Have you not realised that they all produce bridge cams that look similar to or same as dslr with the same sized sensor ?
It's marketing, its not the same size, it just looks like one. People who don't pixel peep over image sensor size, but r happy with IQ but want zoom range n a whole host of features.
Go n do your homework before posting stupid comments. It's a valid market with all the big players involved.

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Where you expecting a FF superzoom for the same $350 price? I swear people in camera forums have a screw loose.

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Who called this particular camera "DSLR-like" in the first place, that is what I would love to know!!!

Was it Pentax?

Or was it DP Review?

To my eyes, it does not even look like a DSLR.... not to mention that it is much smaller than a standard DSLR would be. Looks like another superzoom-cam, and not a particularly attractive one at that. If we are judging cameras by their looks only, that is.

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1/2.3 sensor is the most succefull and probably #1 selling sensor of all formats. There are more cameras sold with this sensor than any other. Much more R&D and $$$$$$ spend on 1/2.3 sensor than the others. As a result Image quality has come a long way and is been advancing and improving at a faster rate than any other sensor.

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In fact, we should eliminate all other cameras from seeing the light of day that do not also have this truly magical 1/2.3-inch = 0.43-inch sensor size.

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Nobody is saying that, but if you are observant enough you can see that most all camera makers, make and sell more cameras by far with this type of sensor (or similar size) than any other. It's the bigest market, it's what keeps the doors open, and give support to the other format sizes. Some of the people here have such a superiority complex, they can sit with their computers and say: We are too good for this kind of stuff, they think the world revolve around DPreview.

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@ JacobSR: A few postings above thus, note what mpemam says: "The fact is that this market is extremely small."

I am trying to make sense of these comments -- is this a unique camera with nothing like it, or is this a camera in a large group of similar cameras, or what is it, really?

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What a truly stupid reply Francis Carver! The guy was only saying that this particular size has sold more than any other sized sensor, not that it was sprinkled with pixie dust. In any case, I agree with him. Just look at the Pentax Q...amazing image quality out of the same sized sensor. If you don't agree, just look at Dxo's website, that sensor rated very well even against some MUCH larger sensors. Maybe not able to beat competing M4/3 and APS-C sensors but coming closer than ever thought possible out of such a "tiny" sensor.

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I used to have a superzoom camera and it is a very good traveler companion: light with a long reach and able of good 6" x 4" prints. Pentax has a name in the photography history but I think something is wrong because the camera specs are a bit outdated and not quite exciting - there are a lot of comeptition out there. But for sure it will attend a niche of the market due to the price. But I wonder if someone looking for a superzoom camera compares it to the Panasonic FZ200 for example, the price will be the only factor in favor to the Pentax model.

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Agreed, there are a couple of new things in there to Pentax which is good for market development. We haven't seen IQ results yet and Q is a very good performer, so any advance on that has to be good.
Yes, price n value for money is a winner here.

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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=panasonic+lumix+dmc-fz200&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ta

Panny FZ200 is not yet shipping, thus the full list price of $599 is the one show for it on B&H. Frankly, I would not spend 600 bucks on a superzoom camera, even if it has a constant F2.8 lens. I suspect the price will come down dramatically once the FZ200 ships, hopefully in the $400 to $450 range.

The Pentax X-5 is now more comparable to a couple of GE models in price and specs.

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Nothing against the concept, but in a period where a TV screen and camera manufacturer builds a camera as big as 2 matchboxes with a 20 mpix 1 inch sensor in it and that makes pictures as nice as a dslr, Pentax finds the way to make a box as big as 8 matchboxes with a ridiculous mini sensor in it. Probably it targets the buyers who have to make a huge present to some people they really don't like. Who really wants such a camera while some huge tools like the RX100 and real good mirrorless concepts exist.

I see no real progression at Pentax since a 2 years now, just dusting old hats, or making real expensive gadgets like the Q. I like the concept of the Q, I just await Sony to do something similar that with a correct sensor, an RX100 with interchangeable lenses. Pentax will probably never do it, this new dslr like camera does not points in that direction.

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I think you never even touched the Q, because you talk nonsense about it. However, unlike tech geeks who shoot using specs only in their mind and behind their computer screens, all real world users only praise the Q. Photographers get it, geeks don't get it.

Nikon already did a system based around the RX100 sized sensor. It's called Nikon 1 — you know, the system camera geeks ridiculed last year because of its sensor size, only to celebrate that same sensor in the RX100 this year.

Quite irrational bunch, don't you think? Nah, I'm asking too much; the lamp will turn yellow next year.

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I can't believe the trash which comes out in such announcements. It's a bridge camera, which is a replacement for the x90. Most bridge cameras use the same size or similar size sensor.
Go have a look at all the other line ups from Canikon, Fuji, panny etc. They all have similar spec units for sale because those who dont want interchangeable lenses and great zoom.
Look at the price point ! It's plugging a gap in the present line up and well liked by people who don't want to shoot with phones cos they get a lot more photo control.
Never seen such dribble from supposedly knowledgeable people in all my life. If you want a compact matchbox sized WiFi compatable cappuccino making, cam that will beam you up to the starship enterprise, go find one, buy it and forget about stupid comments about a total different market n strategy by Pentax most likely designed to increase market share.

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FTW, the Sony RX is a great camera for what it is but please remind me again as to its zoom capability. If this thing has the IQ of the Q, or even remotely close to it, it will sell quite well. I do agree that if Sony made an interchangeable lens version of the RX 100, it would rock but that doesn't exist at this moment so it's not relevant.

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I was hoping Ricoh would take Pentax into a more quality camera. Wait until the replacement for the k-5 comes out. But it does not look good. Ricoh is in financial trouble. I know that, but was hoping buying Pentax would help Pentax. I am not so sure now.

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Yes and being able to have offerings in all markets can help your overall market awareness and profitability.
What about dad shooting a Pentax dslr n mum wants something a little less expensive but has to buy a Fuji or Panasonic. Now they have options and it goes vice versa. Kid gets this and gets hooked to photography, later buys a dslr.
Think outside the square people.

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Ricoh in financial trouble? Prove what you claim please. Sounds like an empty claim.

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So basically the K-30 release is meaningless to you (you know about that camera, right?) and you make a claim about Ricoh that needs to be proven. OK.

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