Just Posted: Our review of the Samsung NX210 Wi-Fi capable smart camera

Any idea why it's so slow? I had gotten the impression that this latest generation was improved in that respect. Can't see any good reason it should be any slower than the NX210. Seems to be more or less the same except for the evf.

I really want to like these cameras. Samsung has done so much right with them, but the few big flaws are hard to overlook. It might be easier if they were slightly cheaper. They can't be more expensive than Sony, especially since it looks like the 5n replacement also has wi-fi.

Thanks for the info. Can't live with a slow camera. Have a D300s and it take 7fps with almost no buffer issue. Can't imagine a life with 1fp5s :-) I would have bought N210 if it had a viewfinder accessory.

@ Professor999 Aaaaaa.. it makes my hart warm inside to think you have nothing better to do than follow me around this site ;)

Yes I'm still making the claim, just like you are still making the claim that Samsuck is the best. I guess we will never change

Boerseuntjie:

There you go again making more false claims. I've never said either Samsung lenses or cameras are the best. On the other hand in non-fabulist reality: I have said Samsung makes really good NX lenses and the NX100 does a really good job when using raw and ACR. I've also pointed out that Samsung makes better LED TVs than Sony. "Best" is only something I've used to describe Leica and Zeiss lenses in these forums, though perhaps I've used best to describe ACR.

Boerseuntjie, you seem really confused about the meaning of language. And are very guilty of what you very falsely claim in others. This is not a way to go through life if you ever need to deal with another person face to face.

Thanks for the advise but how does a leopard change their spots.
One thing I do like about you is you articulate well and seem like a reasonable person so I would suggest you have a look at the Sony XBR55H929 TV before you make claims about Samsuck TV's and everyone knows LG makes better TV's than Samsuck, but if you are cheap you can't beat Samsuck they give away those TV's when you buy a Sofa
If you know your History you would know that Samsuck and Sony had a joined TV display manufacturing plant at one time, were do you think Samsuck learned how to make "good" TV's

http://www.hhgregg.com/sony-55-class-3d-1080p-240hz-bravia-led-hdtv/item/XBR55HX929

3,000 grand?
For a TV?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-10/sony-forecasts-first-profit-in-five-years-as-hirai-restructures.html

And they're laying off 10,000 employees?

And Samsung,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2136166/Samsung-roars-record-5-2BN-profit-sells-20-000-Galaxy-handsets-hour--analyst-warns-Apple-fail-just-like-Sony.html

You get what you pay for and I would not pay too much attention to the dailymail UK all this prove is there is a lot of cheap uninformed sheep out there

"You get what you pay for",
As the saying goes 'a fool and his money are soon parted'.

Of course you wouldn't believe the daily mail uk article as it disagrees with your point of view.

How about Reuters,

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/us-samsung-earnings-forecast-idUSBRE8640WO20120706

cnbc,

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48345895/Smartphones_Power_Record_Samsung_Profit_of_5_9_Billion_During_Apple_Lull

Industry Week,

http://www.industryweek.com/global-economy/samsung-posts-record-profit

Baaaa!!!!

Or sour grapes?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-05/apple-wins-ruling-sanctions-in-samsung-infringement-lawsuit.html

SOUR GRAPES for Samsuck AKA Copymaster

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/25/us-apple-samsung-trial-idUSBRE87N13V20120825

Here is one from Reuters read an weep, only a FOOL would buy cheap knock off"s
From a Company with no imagination, happy shopping.
Well it looks like they made $1.05 Billion less this year....LOL

Boerseuntjie:

Particularly for TVs, it is best to look at the TVs, not articles about them. This is generally true of cameras too.

Who cares if LG makes better LED TVs than Samsung? The point is that the so called high end Sony LED TVs I've seen don't really come close to the best of what Samsung makes.

Now in a few years, Samsung and LG will both be shipping AMOLED TVs--Sony had it's chance with that Kodak technology and only ever shipped a very small TV with a 10" AMOLED screen. (Last I saw it was turned into a $30,000 monitor--and no it's not the same as the newish white panel OLED monitor from Sony.)

Look the Sony Nex 5n is really nice camera, too bad it doesn't have the native lens selection or native lens quality of Samsung NX cameras. With the caveat that it can't be used over ISO1600, the same point is true of the Sony Nex 7.

You must be looking at things with Samsuck glasses because I have looked at and own TV`s from Pioneer, Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony and Samsuck and well all the Japanese SO CALLED...LOL High end TV`s blow everything away that Samsuck can come up with Yes who cares but LG does make better TV`s and you don't know what you are talking about that is fact.
The only thing Samsuck has going for it is it makes mediocre products at a reasonable price and if you are thrifty or cheap go ahead and buy it.
You keep on saying how great the NX lenses are in your opinion, but I don't go by opinions so prove it

Boerseuntjie:

As for NX lenses you'll have to go try them and then you can make up whatever excuses you want for being wrong here. I recommend you try the F2 30 if you're up for a challenge to your preconceptions. So enjoy that Samsung NX camera and lens you'll need to buy now. Then there's the Hyundai you should just be breaking in.

Now "HD" TVs, you do understand of course that Sony, Panasonic, Samsung etc all sell different grades of "HD" TVs? And you do understand that I never said all Samsung flat screens best all Sony flat screens?

Now the highend Samsungs I've seen (TA950 in the US) easily beat the highend Sonys in 2D mode, so no glasses required.

Boerseuntjie:

Here's someone else who thinks very very highly of Samsung NX lenses:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/24/mirrorless-mirrorless-on-the-wall-part-ii

Went to Walmart, Bestbuy and a few Camera stores and nobody has any NX cameras, or had any idea Samsuck made cameras worth looking at.. sorry, and I don't think a 27" computer monitor beats any Sony TV or even the Apple Computer Display but nice try

Boerseuntjie:

Sorry the Samsung TV model TA 950 aint a monitor. Though I'm sure it can be used as such. Those newish Apple monitors aren't real good either. Bet the Sony WOLED monitor easily beats Apple there. Though I haven't seen one of the $2400 Sonys yet.

Also no one who cares about cameras shops for them at either Walmart or Best Buy, both are jokes broadly, you made my point really well with that claim about Walmart, you're not interested in high quality cameras or lenses.

About the best you'll find at either store is a Canon S100 or a Nikon D3200, and that last can't touch the image quality of the NX20--it's the limited Sony sensor, not the Nikon lenses that's the problem. Don't care if you're in Canada, Henry's stocks the NX20.

Walmart sells Canon Rebels and Bestbuy has the 5D MK II Henry's do not stock Samsuck but they can have one to you in 4-7 weeks hot of the line from China, enjoy watching TV on your computer monitor...LOL

Boerseuntjie:

Despite your claims, in the US, that's a Samsung TV and it's very very good, though I think now discontinued. I don't own flatscreen TV, I await AMOLED TVs.

Interesting that Bestbuy Canada has the Canon 5D II, that's much better that in the US, though now there's the Mark III.

Henry's website most certainly lists the Samsung NX20 as ready to ship.

That Samsung has awful marketing for cameras no one disputes and this means that there aren't demo units in stores frequently. The Canadian website barely exists and the USA's version isn't real helpful.

But bad marketing does not equal bad lenses and cameras.

You clearly still haven't read this post, so I'll link it again:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/08/24/mirrorless-mirrorless-on-the-wall-part-ii

Look I'm willing to have a look at a NX-NEX rip off, when I do end up finding one I will let you know.
Note this is a camera store close to my house they don't have any Samsung cameras and the employee laughed at my face when I asked to see a NX or any Samsung camera, not that it surprises me because they don't see Sony cameras as serious cameras either, Samsuck might want to work on that.
Ps. look at their website they don't even have any Samsung listed.
http://www.mcbaincamera.com/

peevee1, have you actually used the camera? I have used the cameras with the Panasonic 12MP sensor, I have used the Panasonic 16MP sensor cameras, I have used the E-M5, I have used the NX200 and I have used the NEX-5N. And I am talking about actual usage not just test shots. The NX200 sensor in my actual experience is way ahead of the 12MP Panasonic sensor and very close to NEX-5N sensor, except in terms of low ISO dynamic range where NEX-5N has an advantage. The E-M5 lags behind NX200 at high ISO and probably comparable in terms of base ISO DR.

random78, you should well know that five years old tech mediocre already as new sensor is useless for comparison unless you want to distort results.
Same really for your "actual use": Unless all tested cameras are triggered at the same moment it gives them too easily "Random starting positions different distance from the goal line."
Controlled illumination studio scene is closest to even playing field for every camera.

NX200/210 cheat at 6400 by removing noise from RAW at expense of softening visible well in paper clips and markings of batteries so full comparing of sensor performance would require doing same for E-M5.
Otherwise RAW is close call with E-M5 (modern tech Sony sensor) having finer grain noise in dark areas at 1600/3200.
Samsung having so much more out of focus makes comparison of all studio scene's areas impossible.

random78, objective testing shows differently.

Esa - I am comparing to NEX-5N and E-M5 not to some 5 years old sensors. I have also compared the RAW files from dpreview and imaging-resource and they match my own experience. The studio scenes are useful for controlled testing however actual use in a variety of conditions tells a lot which you don't see from studio shots. Its ironic you think you can tell more about a camera by looking at online samples rather than actually using it :) Don't tell me that you know more about these cameras without using them than I know after using them extensively.

Kelcey, your reply illustrates perfectly the problem with studio test shots - you have to ensure that you select in-focus bits of the images when doing the comparisons.That is difficult across several images from different cameras as the in-focus regions do not correspond with each other exactly.
I prefer to use real-world examples that contain both random and coherent elements (i.e. foliage and architecture respectively) together with high contrast at the corners of the image to show up any aberration problems. Real-world examples show the Samsung cameras and their lenses to be a little better than the Sony NEX5 regarding sharpness and aberration and very similar in IQ across the ISOs.
However, keep up the good work. I managed to pick up a new NX100 with lens for under 180GBP. Given the price v. image quality the nx100 is currently photography's best kept secret.

marike6:

The Samsung NX20 has a very nice view finder, the same sensor, and does really well through ISO4000. Then I'd guess that the K01 and the K30 would start to beat the NX20/200/210 for image quality.

@babola: You are basically implying that the scoring system accomodates at most 100 cameras.

The Samsuck is miles ahead of Sony, really?

Samsung sure has good NX lenses, and what the Sony system has one good expensive 24mm lens?

Also the NX20/210 can easily be used over ISO 3200, while that's hard for any Sony Nex camera except the Nex 5n.

In your opinion

I have been happy with every Samsung product I have ever bought. I can't say the same about Sony. Sony makes some good stuff, sure, but I always feel like I'm buying a feature list, or a bug list, or both when I buy a Sony. Sony's work more or less as promised, but they always fall short of the big expectations their marketing department has built up for me.